WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.941 --> 00:00:26.591 Anke: Hello and welcome Denise. 00:00:27.191 --> 00:00:29.021 I always love starting with a bit of a giggle. 00:00:33.191 --> 00:00:33.341 Yeah. 00:00:33.341 --> 00:00:34.991 Well we so lovely to have you. 00:00:35.051 --> 00:00:35.951 So lovely to have you. 00:00:35.951 --> 00:00:36.941 Where are you based? 00:00:36.941 --> 00:00:39.041 Where are you In this lovely world and I am 00:00:39.581 --> 00:00:40.751 Denise: in Dublin, Ireland. 00:00:42.701 --> 00:00:47.171 Yes, right beside Phoenix Park on the bucket list right beside Annie 00:00:47.171 --> 00:00:49.571 Phoenix's Park, we, we've renamed it. 00:00:49.571 --> 00:00:53.411 It's not Phoenix Park anymore, it's Annie Phoenix's Park, and we did 00:00:53.411 --> 00:00:56.201 bring her up there when she was over, she got to see the deer, got to go 00:00:56.201 --> 00:00:57.251 to the restaurant and everything. 00:00:57.251 --> 00:00:58.691 So it was loads of fun, 00:00:59.201 --> 00:01:00.371 Anke: so Awesome, awesome, awesome. 00:01:00.821 --> 00:01:03.251 So what's your business with dogs? 00:01:03.251 --> 00:01:04.811 What are you good to do with dogs? 00:01:06.791 --> 00:01:07.481 I used to do a. 00:01:09.911 --> 00:01:10.991 Denise: I did do a lot with dogs. 00:01:11.321 --> 00:01:16.451 Um, I was, okay, let's rewind. 00:01:16.571 --> 00:01:17.591 I'll go back to the beginning. 00:01:18.041 --> 00:01:25.511 So when I started as a trainer, um, when I started training as a 00:01:25.511 --> 00:01:31.241 trainer, I was also working as a puppy walker for the guide dogs. 00:01:32.531 --> 00:01:33.851 So that's a volunteer job. 00:01:34.541 --> 00:01:34.751 Yeah. 00:01:35.351 --> 00:01:38.591 Take a few dogs on for a year at a time, just bring them 00:01:38.591 --> 00:01:39.761 out, socialize and whatnot. 00:01:40.241 --> 00:01:41.741 Um, and it suited me fine. 00:01:41.741 --> 00:01:46.991 It was great because I was coming off the back of, um, recovering from 00:01:47.381 --> 00:01:52.961 a long-term illness and I needed to get myself out there, kind of 00:01:53.561 --> 00:01:55.061 just get myself doing something. 00:01:55.061 --> 00:01:56.351 And I've always loved animals. 00:01:56.351 --> 00:01:59.291 Like when I worked in the film studio, there was an animal wrangler. 00:02:00.746 --> 00:02:02.906 The door opposite me in the hallway. 00:02:02.966 --> 00:02:05.966 And I was in there more times than I was in with the architect. 00:02:05.966 --> 00:02:08.636 So it was like, yeah, animals all the way. 00:02:09.536 --> 00:02:16.076 I did not know at the time there was such a thing as a dog trainer, you could 00:02:16.076 --> 00:02:17.846 make a business outta dog training. 00:02:18.386 --> 00:02:22.346 Um, 'cause like we, we grew up with Barbara Woodhouse in the eighties on BBC 00:02:22.346 --> 00:02:24.596 going walkies and using your choke chain. 00:02:24.596 --> 00:02:25.766 I, that's. 00:02:27.206 --> 00:02:33.866 That's, and she had little tweed skirt and big horn rim glasses and it's like, 00:02:34.076 --> 00:02:36.476 yeah, we just thought like, you have this. 00:02:36.746 --> 00:02:39.296 Like I say, that was late seventies, early eighties. 00:02:39.806 --> 00:02:40.886 It's going way back. 00:02:41.996 --> 00:02:48.686 So at the st at the time that I started with the guide dogs, I was not a trainer. 00:02:49.916 --> 00:02:55.406 I was just somebody who was learning how to train dogs, um, independently. 00:02:55.841 --> 00:02:56.561 To the guide dogs. 00:02:57.341 --> 00:03:01.361 And, uh, the more I learned, the more questions I had. 00:03:02.981 --> 00:03:06.401 And as Sarah Fisher is always ask, never stop asking. 00:03:07.091 --> 00:03:07.721 Ask questions. 00:03:07.721 --> 00:03:08.321 Ask questions. 00:03:08.771 --> 00:03:10.256 So each of I asked. 00:03:10.541 --> 00:03:15.281 I, you know, and then I came across another, um, charity that 00:03:15.461 --> 00:03:17.441 was the Arch Dogs, the Disabled. 00:03:17.831 --> 00:03:19.271 And I love their ethics. 00:03:19.331 --> 00:03:23.621 I love their ethos, and I just loved everything they did 00:03:23.621 --> 00:03:25.241 with the puppies aligned with. 00:03:26.126 --> 00:03:29.666 I wanted what I wanted to see in training. 00:03:30.716 --> 00:03:36.956 So I kinda jumped ship, went over to them and I have done a couple 00:03:36.956 --> 00:03:40.316 of pilot training courses for them. 00:03:40.826 --> 00:03:44.996 Pilots in, um, there was one in a prison, there was one rehab facility. 00:03:45.386 --> 00:03:52.676 They have this amazing, um, training camp going on in, uh, prisons in 00:03:52.676 --> 00:03:54.746 Ireland, in a women's facility. 00:03:54.746 --> 00:03:57.656 And, um, kind of a low. 00:03:59.966 --> 00:04:01.436 Can't even remember the name of it now. 00:04:01.676 --> 00:04:05.366 It, it's kind of like a buddy program where the dogs go in and it's kind of 00:04:06.146 --> 00:04:11.576 very non restrictive type of prison, I suppose is the best word for it. 00:04:12.026 --> 00:04:15.686 So I was really enthralled by these programs. 00:04:15.686 --> 00:04:19.106 So I jumped at the chance to do pilots in two of them. 00:04:19.106 --> 00:04:19.706 I loved it. 00:04:20.306 --> 00:04:26.696 Um, I have been working with dogs in a professional capacity for about 17 years. 00:04:28.001 --> 00:04:34.961 Um, I then took on one of the dogs I took on that I was training. 00:04:35.531 --> 00:04:37.991 He looked a bit wonky. 00:04:39.251 --> 00:04:42.401 He actually did there, there was something wrong at six months old and I 00:04:42.401 --> 00:04:44.471 was thinking it's leg looks a bit odd. 00:04:45.371 --> 00:04:49.541 And of course, you know, one thing led to another, so I was being extra careful. 00:04:49.541 --> 00:04:51.131 He was a working dog and all this. 00:04:51.641 --> 00:04:53.891 Um, long story short. 00:04:54.686 --> 00:04:59.996 He was diagnosed with severe, um, elbow dysplasia and it was 00:04:59.996 --> 00:05:02.606 bilateral and, uh, arthritis. 00:05:03.716 --> 00:05:07.946 He was only 14 months old, so that was pretty bad. 00:05:08.996 --> 00:05:16.616 So kind of said it to the supervisor and you have to do something for him. 00:05:19.016 --> 00:05:22.526 Given that it was a new charity at the time and how much these 00:05:22.526 --> 00:05:25.196 operations cost, it was unreal. 00:05:25.556 --> 00:05:29.036 So I said, well, you know what, he's such a little doubt. 00:05:29.516 --> 00:05:31.886 All dogs deserve the best. 00:05:32.426 --> 00:05:36.866 So I kind of got it in my, my head, like, I'm a dog trainer. 00:05:36.866 --> 00:05:37.436 I can do something. 00:05:38.541 --> 00:05:40.496 So I was running these classes. 00:05:40.496 --> 00:05:41.546 They were, they were free. 00:05:41.546 --> 00:05:44.216 I was just, everybody was meeting me in the park and we'd go through 00:05:44.216 --> 00:05:47.456 kind of question and answer, and then they'd just leave a donation. 00:05:47.981 --> 00:05:51.371 That was going through towards the, the operation fund. 00:05:51.971 --> 00:05:57.611 Um, I was bag packing in the local supermarket with big 00:05:57.611 --> 00:05:58.751 buckets like advertising. 00:05:58.751 --> 00:06:03.791 The charity I start putting out, I, I went back to my reset 00:06:03.791 --> 00:06:05.231 button, which is always art. 00:06:05.861 --> 00:06:09.191 So I put out t-shirts and hoodies. 00:06:09.611 --> 00:06:13.931 Um, then I was doing logos and illustrations for donations. 00:06:14.696 --> 00:06:17.696 Everything was donation, donation, donation, anything you want. 00:06:18.116 --> 00:06:19.796 Gimme a donation, I'll do it, type of thing. 00:06:20.246 --> 00:06:22.826 And we, and I even put the dog on stage. 00:06:22.826 --> 00:06:27.506 He played Sandy in a stage show of Annie for like seven shows, you know, 'cause 00:06:27.506 --> 00:06:28.616 I could shake a bucket at the end. 00:06:28.856 --> 00:06:31.766 I said, look, I forgot the fee if you let me fundraise. 00:06:32.576 --> 00:06:34.136 Um, so we did raise funds. 00:06:34.886 --> 00:06:36.686 I did have 'em insured as well, which helped. 00:06:36.896 --> 00:06:42.386 We did raise funds and then we discovered it was both elbows and then his. 00:06:43.331 --> 00:06:44.051 Hips gave out. 00:06:44.231 --> 00:06:49.301 So it was like, right, so it's four limbs, that's really expensive. 00:06:49.301 --> 00:06:51.041 That's like the price of a new house. 00:06:51.371 --> 00:06:53.681 Um, it's like, how are we going to do this? 00:06:53.981 --> 00:06:56.711 But then we discovered like there was no way we could do it. 00:06:57.431 --> 00:07:00.461 He wouldn't be able to get through all of that. 00:07:01.421 --> 00:07:06.881 So had a long pink and, uh, spoke to the dogs for a say, and there 00:07:06.881 --> 00:07:09.371 was no way he was ever gonna be able to work in that condition. 00:07:09.371 --> 00:07:11.051 So I said, okay, I'll keep him. 00:07:11.801 --> 00:07:12.551 I have him insured. 00:07:13.976 --> 00:07:17.966 He's not expect, he, we had the first operation and he wasn't 00:07:17.966 --> 00:07:19.016 expected to live too long. 00:07:19.016 --> 00:07:22.736 So I said, well, let us give him the best life ever for 00:07:22.796 --> 00:07:24.206 the short time he has with us. 00:07:24.896 --> 00:07:28.856 And I thought, oh God, I didn't think that one through because now 00:07:28.856 --> 00:07:32.846 somebody needs to be home to look after him while he is recovering. 00:07:32.846 --> 00:07:35.066 And we had another puppy at that stage and it was like. 00:07:36.686 --> 00:07:40.046 Yeah, I really d you know, I was one step at a time, let's 00:07:40.046 --> 00:07:41.366 deal with one problem at a time. 00:07:41.426 --> 00:07:47.786 So I kind of thought, okay, I had a really good training business up and running at 00:07:47.786 --> 00:07:51.836 the time, and I thought, can't be outta the house when, when I have to be here. 00:07:52.196 --> 00:07:58.196 So I kinda referred all my clients at the time to other local 00:07:58.196 --> 00:08:00.896 trainers that I trusted, and I. 00:08:01.886 --> 00:08:05.426 I had a company I'd set up the previous year called Mighty Dog Graphics 00:08:05.426 --> 00:08:07.736 because to me, Jeffy is my mighty dog. 00:08:07.736 --> 00:08:09.566 So Mighty Dog Graphics. 00:08:10.706 --> 00:08:13.556 And yet I put a wolf hand on the logo instead of Jeffy, 00:08:13.556 --> 00:08:14.966 but that's not the point. 00:08:15.386 --> 00:08:19.706 And um, yeah, I thought, thought, well, you know what? 00:08:19.736 --> 00:08:23.546 I'll activate the company and I'll just do graphics and illustrations for the next 00:08:23.546 --> 00:08:24.836 six months while I'm looking after 'em. 00:08:26.291 --> 00:08:29.531 I did not know whether it was going to take off or not, but at least I'd be 00:08:29.531 --> 00:08:33.191 home and hopefully have a bit of income while I'm looking after him and all this. 00:08:33.191 --> 00:08:39.431 And 10 years later, mighty Dog Graphics is still going strong and so is Jeffrey. 00:08:40.211 --> 00:08:40.841 Anke: That's incredible. 00:08:40.841 --> 00:08:41.321 I love 00:08:41.321 --> 00:08:41.501 Denise: that. 00:08:42.281 --> 00:08:44.591 So it was like, wow, what a story. 00:08:45.011 --> 00:08:45.851 Mighty dog. 00:08:45.941 --> 00:08:48.016 My, yeah, there you go. 00:08:48.251 --> 00:08:51.041 So, so he founded your business basically. 00:08:52.556 --> 00:08:53.276 He did. 00:08:53.276 --> 00:08:57.176 He ruined my actual business, but he founded my new business. 00:08:57.446 --> 00:09:02.486 But no, I still do, uh, consultancy work and I still do kind of online 00:09:02.696 --> 00:09:06.056 because like back then, as I say, like 10 year we didn't do Zoom. 00:09:06.806 --> 00:09:06.896 Mm-hmm. 00:09:07.136 --> 00:09:09.207 That was like, you know, that would've been. 00:09:10.121 --> 00:09:13.901 The obvious thing to do, like, oh, I have to stay at home all 00:09:13.901 --> 00:09:14.801 day and look after the dog. 00:09:14.831 --> 00:09:15.131 Oh yeah. 00:09:15.131 --> 00:09:15.881 I can just zoom you. 00:09:16.331 --> 00:09:19.211 Whereas it was like, no, we'd be talking on the telephone. 00:09:19.271 --> 00:09:21.161 I think I'll just pass this over to somebody else. 00:09:22.361 --> 00:09:24.611 So, yeah, so it's, it's those little things. 00:09:24.611 --> 00:09:25.691 And he is still going strong. 00:09:25.691 --> 00:09:26.741 He's 11 and a half now. 00:09:28.121 --> 00:09:30.251 He'll be, he should be 12 in May. 00:09:30.251 --> 00:09:32.321 He's not doing too well at the moment, but. 00:09:33.926 --> 00:09:36.356 After about a year of Mighty Dog and I was thinking, yeah, 00:09:36.356 --> 00:09:38.846 maybe I go back to training. 00:09:38.846 --> 00:09:41.516 And I was like, no, I'm kind of really enjoying this too much. 00:09:42.386 --> 00:09:43.166 It's like, oh good. 00:09:43.976 --> 00:09:49.616 And I remember my mom saying to me, you worked all, you did all your graphics, 00:09:49.676 --> 00:09:55.166 all your animation, all your artwork to raise money, to learn to be a dog trainer. 00:09:56.456 --> 00:10:00.686 And now you've used all that learning and understanding as a dog trainer and 00:10:00.686 --> 00:10:03.476 behaviors to draw bloody pictures of dogs. 00:10:03.926 --> 00:10:06.176 I said, yeah, anatomy right. 00:10:10.331 --> 00:10:15.401 So, yeah, so my basic at the moment is Mighty Dog Graphics. 00:10:15.401 --> 00:10:20.021 We do illustrations, we do books, so cool books, illustrations, 00:10:20.111 --> 00:10:21.821 logos and stuff like that. 00:10:22.361 --> 00:10:26.171 And it's actually been quite quiet at the moment 'cause everybody's using Canva and 00:10:26.171 --> 00:10:28.571 AI and we just can't compete with that. 00:10:29.021 --> 00:10:31.391 So I, you know, I, I use pencils. 00:10:32.141 --> 00:10:33.731 I use pencils and pens. 00:10:34.541 --> 00:10:36.251 I draw, you know, but that I draw my hand. 00:10:36.251 --> 00:10:36.401 Yeah. 00:10:36.461 --> 00:10:38.021 Anke: I think, I don't know. 00:10:38.021 --> 00:10:41.471 Look, there's always, there's a place for one thing, but there's a like. 00:10:42.176 --> 00:10:47.396 Funny enough, I was actually literally looking at, um, you know, line art 00:10:47.396 --> 00:10:51.056 and things and I'm like, you know, because I have this thing that I, I 00:10:51.056 --> 00:10:55.406 want, like I don't have any tattoos and I'm like, the only tattoo I want 00:10:55.406 --> 00:10:58.016 is something with the dogs, you know? 00:10:58.136 --> 00:11:02.336 And so like for something like that, oh, I wouldn't wanna do a Canva thing. 00:11:02.666 --> 00:11:03.356 Oh no. 00:11:03.386 --> 00:11:05.551 Like, you know, we want a real artist for that. 00:11:05.621 --> 00:11:05.911 Yeah. 00:11:05.911 --> 00:11:08.516 Denise: I mean, the thing with Canva as well is that I don't think 00:11:08.516 --> 00:11:10.046 you get to keep any of the art. 00:11:10.046 --> 00:11:11.306 I don't think you can copyright it. 00:11:12.491 --> 00:11:15.941 So you could have like a million people across the planet walking 00:11:15.941 --> 00:11:17.201 around with the same image, so, 00:11:17.696 --> 00:11:17.698 Anke: you know. 00:11:17.846 --> 00:11:18.581 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:11:18.641 --> 00:11:19.811 No, totally, totally. 00:11:19.811 --> 00:11:24.491 I mean, I think there'll always be a place for original artwork because especially I 00:11:24.491 --> 00:11:27.671 think yours is, is really, it's so niche. 00:11:28.316 --> 00:11:31.976 You know, so you can't just like, yeah, I think that's pretty clever. 00:11:31.976 --> 00:11:33.116 And then it's also like, yeah. 00:11:33.116 --> 00:11:36.776 Who says that you can't ever go back to dog training if you wanted to? 00:11:37.076 --> 00:11:37.616 Yeah, I mean, 00:11:37.616 --> 00:11:39.416 Denise: I, I do keep my hand in with the dog training. 00:11:39.481 --> 00:11:44.276 I, I do a lot of consultancy work and kind of online classes, group 00:11:44.276 --> 00:11:48.026 classes, like not so much classes, because I'm not really into the whole 00:11:48.026 --> 00:11:51.236 obedience thing where you teach 'em to walk around in circles to heal. 00:11:51.566 --> 00:11:53.516 It's more like, what's your dog doing? 00:11:54.176 --> 00:11:57.266 Well, let's analyze that, you know, let's. 00:11:57.686 --> 00:12:02.876 Let's do, let's find out why they're doing it and let's give you some options as to 00:12:02.876 --> 00:12:08.246 what you can do to kind of divert that, kind of get them to do something else. 00:12:08.726 --> 00:12:11.426 And I love that it, it's kind of like, 00:12:13.646 --> 00:12:13.946 it's like. 00:12:14.336 --> 00:12:19.556 Almost like Shela Holmes's book where you open the book and it's like, yes, look at 00:12:19.556 --> 00:12:21.656 all these clues, let's pull them together. 00:12:22.166 --> 00:12:25.526 And, uh, that actually I love about into dogs. 00:12:25.526 --> 00:12:29.006 'cause as you know, you, you had Mark Bridger Prescott on recently. 00:12:29.006 --> 00:12:30.656 He's the vice chair of Inter Dogs. 00:12:31.166 --> 00:12:31.346 Yep. 00:12:31.346 --> 00:12:31.886 And I'm the chair. 00:12:31.886 --> 00:12:34.526 But the two of us are co-directors of the limited company. 00:12:34.976 --> 00:12:39.206 But we do, um, case study evenings for our full members. 00:12:39.206 --> 00:12:40.556 And it's just amazing. 00:12:40.556 --> 00:12:42.566 I love hearing. 00:12:43.526 --> 00:12:44.546 All their case studies. 00:12:44.936 --> 00:12:49.646 And when you get a group of people, like-minded people together, you 00:12:49.646 --> 00:12:52.826 never know who's going to come out with something so simple that 00:12:52.826 --> 00:12:54.146 you might never have thought of. 00:12:54.866 --> 00:12:57.866 And that's where the support and the connection comes in. 00:12:58.646 --> 00:12:58.676 Mm. 00:12:58.676 --> 00:13:00.236 And that's what Inter Dogs is about. 00:13:00.236 --> 00:13:04.226 It's about connection and this kind of family mentality. 00:13:05.021 --> 00:13:05.561 Anke: I love that. 00:13:05.831 --> 00:13:09.911 And I think it's this, it's this almost like accelerating experience. 00:13:09.941 --> 00:13:11.621 'cause you can tap into somebody else's. 00:13:11.621 --> 00:13:13.811 You don't have to wait until you have a case like that. 00:13:14.021 --> 00:13:16.271 You can learn from somebody else's cases. 00:13:16.331 --> 00:13:16.781 Absolutely. 00:13:16.781 --> 00:13:20.831 So into dogs, is that for professionals only or is that like, could I join it 00:13:20.831 --> 00:13:23.021 or like what's the, what's the criteria? 00:13:23.021 --> 00:13:23.171 Join it. 00:13:23.441 --> 00:13:23.681 We 00:13:23.741 --> 00:13:28.721 Denise: have um, we accredit trainers and behaviors, but we 00:13:28.721 --> 00:13:31.121 also have an um, inter dogs intro. 00:13:31.916 --> 00:13:37.136 Which is for anybody in the dog community who is considering working 00:13:37.706 --> 00:13:42.206 with dogs in the future, or you know, just want to be involved. 00:13:42.326 --> 00:13:44.366 So, I mean, it's all up on the website. 00:13:44.366 --> 00:13:45.506 It's into dogs.net. 00:13:46.076 --> 00:13:51.956 We kept it simple because I'd forget and Mark brains behind the. 00:13:53.216 --> 00:13:55.196 That's why I draw things by hand. 00:13:55.196 --> 00:13:59.096 Marks Mark is the brains behind the computer because I am not savvy. 00:14:00.986 --> 00:14:03.446 I'm not because things 00:14:08.541 --> 00:14:12.326 I to be, well, to be honest with you. 00:14:12.971 --> 00:14:15.641 With Inter Dogs, mark and myself, what you see is what you get. 00:14:16.121 --> 00:14:17.351 We are open and honest. 00:14:17.351 --> 00:14:20.831 We are as transparent as we can with everybody. 00:14:20.831 --> 00:14:21.581 You have a question? 00:14:21.581 --> 00:14:22.541 We're just gonna answer it. 00:14:23.291 --> 00:14:25.301 Um, we do try to help everybody. 00:14:25.721 --> 00:14:27.791 We try to promote all our members. 00:14:27.851 --> 00:14:30.791 Um, we have the public page, the Interd Dogs public page. 00:14:31.331 --> 00:14:33.521 Uh, it's called The Association of Inter Dogs. 00:14:33.521 --> 00:14:37.931 And we do try every day to get a post out from one of our members. 00:14:37.931 --> 00:14:39.251 'cause we have an amazing. 00:14:39.806 --> 00:14:42.296 Selection of members who have done so much. 00:14:42.686 --> 00:14:43.826 They're just an incredible, 00:14:44.636 --> 00:14:45.596 an incredible bunch. 00:14:45.836 --> 00:14:47.246 So many of them are booked out as well. 00:14:47.246 --> 00:14:48.506 So many of them are courses. 00:14:49.256 --> 00:14:50.666 You know, it, it, it's endless. 00:14:50.666 --> 00:14:52.601 The possibilities are endless with these guys. 00:14:53.831 --> 00:14:57.206 Anke: I mean, that's, that's actually really brilliant because if 00:14:57.206 --> 00:15:00.671 somebody's looking for a professional, like that's a great place to go. 00:15:00.671 --> 00:15:00.991 Right? 00:15:02.831 --> 00:15:04.961 Denise: Well, the association of Into Dogs. 00:15:05.051 --> 00:15:09.311 Um, when I first joined as Vice Chair, it was under Andrew Hale, who 00:15:09.311 --> 00:15:14.951 was the chair, and he was one of the founders of the UK Charter, the UK 00:15:14.951 --> 00:15:17.021 dog, uh, behavior and training charter. 00:15:17.531 --> 00:15:19.571 So we are one of the founding members of that. 00:15:20.501 --> 00:15:25.301 So if you, if somebody was joining into dogs, they would automatically become. 00:15:26.096 --> 00:15:28.256 A member of the UK Charter as well. 00:15:28.676 --> 00:15:32.186 But apart from that, if somebody is looking for a trainer, they can look 00:15:32.186 --> 00:15:35.546 on our website or they can look on the charter website and they'll be 00:15:35.546 --> 00:15:40.586 guaranteed, they'll get somebody with ethics who is force free positive 00:15:40.586 --> 00:15:44.906 trainers who look not only at the dog, but they look at the person, the 00:15:44.906 --> 00:15:50.336 lifestyle, very holistic approach, which I think is, has been missed. 00:15:50.726 --> 00:15:53.936 In previous years by so many, you know, so cool. 00:15:53.936 --> 00:15:58.496 We had this kind of cookie cutter design where, oh, the dog has to 00:15:58.496 --> 00:16:00.986 do sit before it goes out the door. 00:16:01.286 --> 00:16:01.346 Why? 00:16:02.861 --> 00:16:04.091 I am looking why? 00:16:04.361 --> 00:16:04.631 Yeah. 00:16:04.631 --> 00:16:06.431 No, mine never saw the point of that. 00:16:06.431 --> 00:16:06.731 I've not him. 00:16:07.991 --> 00:16:10.121 Anke: That's such a, that's such a brilliant resource. 00:16:10.121 --> 00:16:14.351 So we'll definitely obviously pop that below the, the video, so, yeah. 00:16:14.351 --> 00:16:18.071 And, and the, you know, the site to get you as an artist as well. 00:16:18.071 --> 00:16:18.702 'cause my mind is. 00:16:18.826 --> 00:16:19.186 Spinning. 00:16:19.186 --> 00:16:22.036 It's like, oh, if you have like training material or if you 00:16:22.036 --> 00:16:23.311 wanna do handout Yeah, I do. 00:16:23.476 --> 00:16:25.126 Kind of for your client and things like that. 00:16:25.126 --> 00:16:26.146 It's like, Ooh. 00:16:26.356 --> 00:16:27.856 Denise: Yeah, I do infographics. 00:16:27.856 --> 00:16:28.966 Um, there's a couple of books I've done. 00:16:28.966 --> 00:16:32.206 I've done some For Lies Ly Wagner on Rocket Recall 00:16:32.206 --> 00:16:33.466 because, oh, I had her on the 00:16:33.466 --> 00:16:34.396 Anke: show recently. 00:16:34.456 --> 00:16:34.666 Mm. 00:16:34.696 --> 00:16:35.056 Did she? 00:16:35.056 --> 00:16:35.806 Oh, here's her 00:16:35.806 --> 00:16:36.196 Denise: book. 00:16:36.646 --> 00:16:38.176 Anke: Oh, yay. 00:16:38.866 --> 00:16:40.336 Denise: Um, yeah. 00:16:41.486 --> 00:16:43.166 Recall is one of my pet peeves. 00:16:43.646 --> 00:16:44.516 I love recall. 00:16:44.636 --> 00:16:46.256 I work on recall every day. 00:16:46.466 --> 00:16:46.796 Anke: Yeah. 00:16:46.976 --> 00:16:47.876 So it kills me 00:16:47.876 --> 00:16:50.456 Denise: when I see a dog awfully that doesn't even know their 00:16:50.456 --> 00:16:52.796 name, let alone how to come back. 00:16:53.161 --> 00:16:53.451 Yeah. 00:16:53.511 --> 00:16:58.526 Um, yeah, so I really loved working on that book. 00:16:59.036 --> 00:17:03.896 There's also Nicole Wild, uh, help for Your Dog, reactive Dog. 00:17:04.316 --> 00:17:06.266 Um, Fran Hellman. 00:17:06.356 --> 00:17:06.896 Uh, it was a. 00:17:07.796 --> 00:17:08.306 Now I get it. 00:17:08.306 --> 00:17:09.296 It was about clicker. 00:17:09.626 --> 00:17:10.436 Tony Cruz. 00:17:10.436 --> 00:17:15.326 I did his cover for Ws of Wisdom, uh, Shea Kelly's Dog Training and 00:17:15.326 --> 00:17:17.126 Behavior book, and of course, Annie. 00:17:19.571 --> 00:17:20.216 Yeah, love. 00:17:20.696 --> 00:17:25.826 I think I, a few, a few of my bits are in, um, her last one with big, long name that 00:17:25.826 --> 00:17:27.476 neither of us can remember or pronounce 00:17:28.346 --> 00:17:29.606 Anke: when we're put on the spot. 00:17:30.326 --> 00:17:32.006 Well, I'm gonna dig those out. 00:17:32.006 --> 00:17:34.856 I'm gonna dig those out and pop them in the, in the show notes. 00:17:35.156 --> 00:17:35.756 I'm sure there's 00:17:35.756 --> 00:17:36.056 Denise: more. 00:17:36.056 --> 00:17:36.716 I forgot. 00:17:36.716 --> 00:17:38.906 And somebody's gonna come back to me saying, oh my God, 00:17:38.906 --> 00:17:40.106 you didn't mention my book. 00:17:40.106 --> 00:17:40.166 Oh, 00:17:40.826 --> 00:17:41.186 Anke: well. 00:17:42.466 --> 00:17:43.216 You know, we'll pop it. 00:17:43.216 --> 00:17:45.796 If there's something else that pops up, we can always put it. 00:17:45.796 --> 00:17:46.906 Well, thank you so much. 00:17:46.906 --> 00:17:47.956 This was so much fun. 00:17:49.126 --> 00:17:53.511 I'm still giggling and so, yeah, I think, um, yeah, I you keep the blinds 00:17:53.511 --> 00:17:54.436 Denise: closed, so I didn't I 00:17:54.436 --> 00:17:54.826 Anke: know. 00:17:54.826 --> 00:17:55.666 Go on fire time. 00:17:55.876 --> 00:17:59.266 Next time we're gonna just pull out some, you know, some artwork. 00:17:59.266 --> 00:18:00.256 But, um, yeah. 00:18:00.256 --> 00:18:01.486 Thank you so much for coming. 00:18:01.486 --> 00:18:02.536 This was just delightful. 00:18:02.536 --> 00:18:02.926 No problem. 00:18:03.496 --> 00:18:08.146 Denise: Um, yeah, I, you can find Mighty Dog on Facebook because. 00:18:09.071 --> 00:18:12.611 As I was saying to you earlier, my site was hacked and it, it went to an Asian 00:18:12.611 --> 00:18:14.351 porn site, so that wasn't too good. 00:18:15.041 --> 00:18:15.581 So, yeah. 00:18:16.481 --> 00:18:21.371 Um, I have not gotten around to resetting the website because I hardly ever used it. 00:18:21.371 --> 00:18:24.101 Anyway, that's how it got hacked and I didn't notice. 00:18:24.551 --> 00:18:26.621 Oh, until, all right. 00:18:26.621 --> 00:18:28.871 Anke: We are gonna point it to the Facebook page that, yeah, 00:18:29.621 --> 00:18:30.761 Denise: let's just see what the Facebook page. 00:18:31.901 --> 00:18:32.111 Anke: Yeah. 00:18:33.131 --> 00:18:33.551 Awesome. 00:18:33.791 --> 00:18:37.031 Well, thank you and I hope to speak to you again soon. 00:18:37.586 --> 00:18:38.606 Denise: Absolutely. 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