WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.170 --> 00:00:05.370 Victoria: Welcome to The Chemical Show, the podcast where Chemical means business. 00:00:05.910 --> 00:00:09.720 I'm your host, Victoria Meyer, bringing you stories and insights 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:13.590 from leaders driving innovation and growth across the chemical industry. 00:00:14.520 --> 00:00:18.840 Each week we explore key trends, real world challenges, and the 00:00:18.840 --> 00:00:20.700 strategies that make an impact. 00:00:20.910 --> 00:00:21.750 Let's get started. 00:00:23.444 --> 00:00:26.714 Welcome back to The Chemical Show where Leaders Talk Business. 00:00:26.894 --> 00:00:32.294 So you are getting a special episode today from New York Society of Cosmetic 00:00:32.294 --> 00:00:34.994 Chemists, NYSCC, suppliers Day. 00:00:35.044 --> 00:00:37.474 What you're going to notice is that I have a couple of 00:00:37.474 --> 00:00:39.544 interviews that were done on site. 00:00:39.824 --> 00:00:46.034 And I recorded the majority of my podcast episode, including my observations 00:00:46.034 --> 00:00:50.995 about what's hot and what's not at supplier's day while I was there on site. 00:00:51.045 --> 00:00:52.575 So audio quality is what it is. 00:00:52.575 --> 00:00:55.065 We're tuning it up to the best we can, but you are getting the 00:00:55.065 --> 00:00:57.825 live on the floor experience. 00:00:58.080 --> 00:01:02.130 I'm recording this at NYSCC Suppliers Day 2025 at the 00:01:02.130 --> 00:01:03.810 Javits Center in New York City. 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:08.710 A place that is full of booths and people and innovations, 00:01:08.710 --> 00:01:10.330 and everybody is talking about. 00:01:10.900 --> 00:01:13.660 Beauty and science and the intersection of the two. 00:01:14.295 --> 00:01:15.105 so this is a great event. 00:01:15.105 --> 00:01:19.605 Had an opportunity to talk with a wide variety of participants, people 00:01:19.605 --> 00:01:21.435 at booths, people walking the floor. 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:24.510 Innovators, buyers, sellers, and more. 00:01:24.510 --> 00:01:29.280 And what I wanna talk about today are some of the key trends and 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.976 topics at suppliers Day 2025. 00:01:31.981 --> 00:01:32.010 So. 00:01:33.030 --> 00:01:35.520 A couple weeks ago I had a chance to talk with Sunnie Desai of 00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:39.420 Kline + Company, and she brought us a precursor to suppliers day. 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:41.610 And so if you haven't listened to that yet, go listen in. 00:01:41.897 --> 00:01:47.087 And I will say I saw some of the same things and more, and 00:01:47.087 --> 00:01:48.137 maybe a few different things. 00:01:48.187 --> 00:01:51.560 I also have a couple recordings for you with innovators, in the 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:54.500 chemical space and in the beauty in personal care ingredient space. 00:01:54.500 --> 00:01:54.710 So. 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:56.150 You're gonna hear some of that. 00:01:56.150 --> 00:01:59.620 But what stood out for me and people, across the conference asked 00:01:59.620 --> 00:02:02.277 this question and you guys asked this question, you know, what's 00:02:02.277 --> 00:02:03.447 the sense, what's the sentiment? 00:02:03.447 --> 00:02:04.377 What are the key trends? 00:02:04.767 --> 00:02:06.602 And so what I'm gonna tell you is. 00:02:07.107 --> 00:02:09.537 It is just as important. 00:02:10.077 --> 00:02:12.657 What's missing as what was said. 00:02:13.047 --> 00:02:18.027 So first of all, it was a big show, a full show, lots of people here. 00:02:18.027 --> 00:02:23.607 So everybody from, formulators and brands and, personal care ingredients 00:02:23.607 --> 00:02:27.507 companies, chemical companies, the whole group of media and 00:02:27.507 --> 00:02:29.487 innovators and other people buzzing. 00:02:29.847 --> 00:02:33.837 So lots of great indie brands and a lot of great innovations show up here. 00:02:33.837 --> 00:02:35.757 In fact, I had the chance to talk with. 00:02:36.132 --> 00:02:39.322 It's Christoph Krumm from Sironix and you're gonna get a chance to 00:02:39.322 --> 00:02:42.922 hear from him as well, where we talked about the bio surfactants 00:02:42.922 --> 00:02:44.152 that they're introducing today. 00:02:44.152 --> 00:02:49.362 So what's interesting though is what's missing, there's a number of things that I 00:02:49.362 --> 00:02:53.802 think we're missing this year at Suppliers Day that perhaps have been part of the 00:02:53.802 --> 00:02:55.962 conversation for the past several years. 00:02:55.962 --> 00:02:57.552 So let's just kick off with. 00:02:58.647 --> 00:02:59.547 Sustainability. 00:02:59.787 --> 00:03:06.177 The word sustainability and sustainable was largely absent from conversations, 00:03:06.717 --> 00:03:11.337 absent from the imaging and imagery that companies are using on their 00:03:11.337 --> 00:03:16.887 booths and their big displays absent from the conversations other than when 00:03:16.887 --> 00:03:18.417 people specifically brought it up. 00:03:18.777 --> 00:03:20.157 And you know, why is that? 00:03:20.157 --> 00:03:25.540 And as one person I spoke with today said, well, at their company, we are 00:03:25.540 --> 00:03:30.850 shifting from sustainability to innovation and an innovation focus, and so that 00:03:30.850 --> 00:03:32.170 is one of the key trends I've heard. 00:03:32.170 --> 00:03:35.320 Of course, this is a place where there's a lot of innovation and that's no surprise. 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:37.630 We're seeing innovations on the uprise. 00:03:37.630 --> 00:03:41.410 I've been hearing this from leaders across the industry and certainly saw this today. 00:03:41.410 --> 00:03:41.470 I. 00:03:41.875 --> 00:03:45.895 But what's missing is a conversation on sustainability. 00:03:45.895 --> 00:03:50.905 And I think that resonates with what we're seeing across the industry generally, um, 00:03:50.905 --> 00:03:54.625 across consumer sentiment and just the changing dynamics of the world we're in. 00:03:55.285 --> 00:03:55.945 Why? 00:03:55.945 --> 00:03:56.035 Right. 00:03:56.232 --> 00:04:01.902 Part of it is it's just really stinking hard to get truly sustainable, 00:04:02.002 --> 00:04:03.922 metrics and to make a difference. 00:04:03.922 --> 00:04:07.222 And so kind, you know, companies have moved away from some of those. 00:04:08.002 --> 00:04:11.812 Big, sweeping sustainability goals and getting more pragmatic. 00:04:11.812 --> 00:04:15.622 Pragmatic about delivering value, pragmatic about bringing innovation 00:04:15.622 --> 00:04:17.722 to company, still sustainable. 00:04:18.082 --> 00:04:22.042 We talked about that recently, but doing it in a more 00:04:22.042 --> 00:04:23.752 innovative, approachable manner. 00:04:23.752 --> 00:04:27.922 And frankly, what's missing and what I've seen missing across this 00:04:27.922 --> 00:04:29.302 conference today is sustainability. 00:04:29.512 --> 00:04:34.192 The second trend and what's important to talk about, what's missing is natural. 00:04:34.420 --> 00:04:38.320 a year ago, two years ago, the word natural was used widely. 00:04:38.380 --> 00:04:40.390 Everybody was talking about natural products. 00:04:40.390 --> 00:04:44.410 Natural ingredients probably went hand in hand in a lot of ways with sustainability. 00:04:44.650 --> 00:04:48.493 But natural is not something that I've seen, that I've seen talked about. 00:04:48.493 --> 00:04:51.493 It's been replaced with plant-based, again, it's been 00:04:51.493 --> 00:04:53.023 replaced with performance. 00:04:53.023 --> 00:04:56.950 So big emphasis on performance, and. 00:04:57.475 --> 00:05:00.595 That's one of the big things that has been, that's been here, right? 00:05:00.595 --> 00:05:02.245 So they shift from natural to performance 00:05:02.535 --> 00:05:08.145 Here is Christoph Krumm from Sironix talking about the performance trend and 00:05:08.145 --> 00:05:11.685 how that is affecting their business and their go-to-market strategy. 00:05:11.902 --> 00:05:15.592 When we just think about the trends that are, you know, trends that we've been 00:05:15.592 --> 00:05:18.922 talking about here at the show today that you guys think about and you look 00:05:18.922 --> 00:05:22.702 at as you're taking your product to market, what trends does it really hit? 00:05:22.702 --> 00:05:24.262 Why, why are people. 00:05:24.952 --> 00:05:26.912 Buying Furasoft from Sironix.. 00:05:27.202 --> 00:05:28.702 Christoph Krumm: It's an interesting question. 00:05:28.822 --> 00:05:32.452 If you had asked me this when we spun out as a company, I would've told you 00:05:32.452 --> 00:05:34.162 bio-based is the innovation, right? 00:05:34.162 --> 00:05:36.172 That is the the reason for existing. 00:05:36.262 --> 00:05:36.412 Yeah. 00:05:36.412 --> 00:05:37.672 That's really not the case. 00:05:37.672 --> 00:05:41.212 As we found bio-based ingredients matter, people still want them. 00:05:41.482 --> 00:05:43.852 The reason for existing for us is performance. 00:05:43.912 --> 00:05:47.152 People want to come to us for something that gives really exceptional 00:05:47.152 --> 00:05:48.797 foam and they want something. 00:05:49.287 --> 00:05:52.137 Where they're gonna have that performance, they're gonna have that mildness. 00:05:52.437 --> 00:05:57.327 And they, they increasingly are coming to us for sulfate and dioxane free products. 00:05:57.327 --> 00:06:00.627 So they're looking to solve some regulatory or consumer 00:06:00.627 --> 00:06:02.577 driven innovation challenges. 00:06:02.757 --> 00:06:05.727 And they're looking to do that while maintaining the performance. 00:06:05.727 --> 00:06:08.427 They don't wanna lose that brand equity of the products they have now. 00:06:08.637 --> 00:06:11.157 They wanna reformulate into something that's gonna look, feel, 00:06:11.157 --> 00:06:14.837 smell, and work, in the way that they want those consumer products. 00:06:14.837 --> 00:06:18.497 Victoria: and then, and Sonny teed this up, a lot of 00:06:18.497 --> 00:06:21.497 conversation about neuro cosmetics. 00:06:21.497 --> 00:06:27.697 And so neuro cosmetics is this idea that a topical treatment will, create. 00:06:27.957 --> 00:06:29.727 Performance, not just performance enhancements. 00:06:29.727 --> 00:06:30.357 We're always looking for that. 00:06:30.537 --> 00:06:34.347 We makes more mood and neurological benefits. 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:37.160 not a hundred percent certain where we're going with this. 00:06:37.730 --> 00:06:41.313 Certainly it's a trend that's talking about, what else is missing? 00:06:41.497 --> 00:06:46.747 just from a pure display perspective, there has been almost no displays 00:06:46.777 --> 00:06:50.527 of like lab equipment and formulations and stuff a year ago. 00:06:51.157 --> 00:06:54.127 A bunch of these things this year, just one or two. 00:06:54.127 --> 00:07:00.180 So again, maybe moving a little bit away from the technical, the chemistry 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:03.060 of it and more into the performance of it, which I think is also where 00:07:03.060 --> 00:07:04.770 this neuro, neuro cosmetics come in. 00:07:05.130 --> 00:07:08.280 The other piece we're talking about is microbiomes. 00:07:08.384 --> 00:07:10.754 you know, I don't know, for me personally, when I've been listening, 00:07:10.904 --> 00:07:13.004 reading social media, watching social media, all this stuff, I 00:07:13.004 --> 00:07:14.359 keep hearing all about gut biomes. 00:07:15.029 --> 00:07:18.059 Seems to be the thing that people are talking about, but a lot of this is 00:07:18.059 --> 00:07:22.169 about microbiomes on the surface of the skin and the effect that that has. 00:07:22.499 --> 00:07:26.639 Um, and so I think this ties in, in fact, I think this is a whole trajectory of 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:33.443 what we're seeing between, this shift away from using the words sustainability and 00:07:33.443 --> 00:07:41.903 natural moving towards more innovation, neuro cosmetic, plant-based microbiomes. 00:07:42.293 --> 00:07:46.633 Still with a whole focus on performance, and the opportunity to do so. 00:07:46.633 --> 00:07:49.483 As I'm recording this, um, just wrapped up day one of the conference. 00:07:49.483 --> 00:07:51.613 In fact, I'm only doing day one of the show this year. 00:07:51.853 --> 00:07:55.333 So these are the key trends and topics that I'm hearing. 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.579 I'm also integrating, as I mentioned, a couple of interviews 00:07:58.579 --> 00:07:59.659 that I did on the site. 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.749 Um, talking about some of these performance improvements and 00:08:02.749 --> 00:08:05.629 some innovations that companies are bringing to market. 00:08:05.969 --> 00:08:10.319 And again, it's all about innovation for performance, which we're gonna 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:14.479 hear about when I talk to, my guests that are on here and elsewhere. 00:08:14.479 --> 00:08:16.369 So, thanks for joining me. 00:08:16.459 --> 00:08:17.479 Thanks for listening. 00:08:17.509 --> 00:08:18.949 Thanks for letting me take you on the journey. 00:08:18.949 --> 00:08:21.859 I'm actually, if you're watching this, go watch this on YouTube. 00:08:21.859 --> 00:08:24.879 I've got a lot of different video clips, and some images that I've brought in. 00:08:25.254 --> 00:08:26.544 And keep listening. 00:08:26.544 --> 00:08:29.544 Keep following, keep sharing, and we will talk with you again soon. 00:08:29.717 --> 00:08:33.107 as we wrap up today's episode, I'm actually bringing you a couple of 00:08:33.107 --> 00:08:38.867 short interviews that I did on the trade show floor at N-Y-S-E-C suppliers 00:08:38.867 --> 00:08:43.877 Day with a couple of innovators that are bringing new products to market. 00:08:43.877 --> 00:08:48.027 So these are products coming to you soon, both of which are tying really 00:08:48.027 --> 00:08:53.107 into this performance trend, so the first of which is John Harold, 00:08:53.107 --> 00:08:55.357 who is the CEO of Ncco Verde. 00:08:55.357 --> 00:08:58.717 And Cinco Verde is an innovative new startup. 00:08:58.717 --> 00:09:01.417 They're actually working with independent chemicals to 00:09:01.417 --> 00:09:03.187 distribute their products, and, 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.860 they have a new approach to zinc oxide for sunscreen formulas and other things. 00:09:07.860 --> 00:09:12.720 So, uh, just hearing about how that product came to market, how it addresses 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:16.890 those trends is a really interesting little clip and a new product that I 00:09:16.890 --> 00:09:18.360 think you guys are gonna be excited about. 00:09:18.580 --> 00:09:22.750 And the second one is Christophe Crumb, who is the CEO of Sironix and 00:09:22.870 --> 00:09:28.230 I met Christophe on a virtual event. 00:09:28.820 --> 00:09:32.390 Back in like 2020 back when virtual events were the thing 00:09:32.390 --> 00:09:33.920 and we got into a breakout room. 00:09:33.920 --> 00:09:35.690 And anyway, we got connected. 00:09:35.690 --> 00:09:39.560 And it's been an interesting to see Christophe's and Sara's 00:09:39.770 --> 00:09:43.050 journey, as they've shifted and transformed their focus. 00:09:43.050 --> 00:09:46.350 And Christophe's already talked about that today on the podcast. 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.580 when he started talking about how their focus. 00:09:49.115 --> 00:09:56.315 Is performance rather than being bio and natural, although that is a fundamental to 00:09:56.345 --> 00:09:57.815 their product that they bring to market. 00:09:57.815 --> 00:10:02.795 So I think, um, some lessons that you can learn from these innovators 00:10:02.825 --> 00:10:05.585 is adaptability, identifying. 00:10:05.965 --> 00:10:11.125 New opportunities, new markets, new uses for some existing technology. 00:10:11.155 --> 00:10:17.675 'cause in both cases, both, uh, Ziko Verde and CI are using some existing 00:10:17.675 --> 00:10:19.235 technologies that are in play already. 00:10:19.235 --> 00:10:25.085 So anyway, Enjoy these little snippets of insights from Suppliers day and 00:10:25.145 --> 00:10:29.705 let me know what you think and if there was anything that stood out 00:10:29.705 --> 00:10:31.355 for you while you were at the show. 00:10:31.793 --> 00:10:37.523 Okay, I am here with John Harold, who is the CEO of Zinco Verde. 00:10:37.553 --> 00:10:37.973 Hey John. 00:10:37.978 --> 00:10:38.488 How you doing today? 00:10:38.508 --> 00:10:38.728 Hi. 00:10:38.728 --> 00:10:38.731 How you doing? 00:10:39.508 --> 00:10:43.433 So tell us about who you are, just briefly give us an introduction to you. 00:10:43.703 --> 00:10:47.753 John Harrold: Oh, um, so I am a biophysical chemist at Material 00:10:47.753 --> 00:10:52.283 Scientist who works in developing advanced materials in green chemistry. 00:10:52.703 --> 00:10:53.003 Victoria: Awesome. 00:10:53.213 --> 00:10:54.763 So tell me about Zinco Verde. 00:10:55.033 --> 00:10:59.843 John Harrold: So, Zinco Verde is a company that makes metal oxides using a 00:10:59.843 --> 00:11:02.393 novel process that uses 99% less energy. 00:11:03.023 --> 00:11:06.593 And because we're using less energy, we're doing it in a process that we can actually 00:11:06.803 --> 00:11:08.723 enhance those metal oxides that we make. 00:11:09.010 --> 00:11:10.720 Victoria: Why are you here at, uh, suppliers? 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.260 Say this here. 00:11:11.530 --> 00:11:13.343 John Harrold: So, metal oxides are in everything. 00:11:13.343 --> 00:11:15.590 They are, quietly make mono life possible. 00:11:15.590 --> 00:11:19.250 And one of the things that they're in is sunscreen, which is our 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:21.230 beachhead market, pun intended. 00:11:21.560 --> 00:11:24.380 Uh, so sunscreen, middle based sunscreens are the ones you're 00:11:24.380 --> 00:11:25.400 really supposed to be using. 00:11:25.700 --> 00:11:28.520 And, but people that use 'em, 'cause they kind of suck, but 00:11:28.520 --> 00:11:30.050 our material solves that problem. 00:11:30.140 --> 00:11:33.200 We're able to make a sunscreen or a customer's gonna make a sunscreen that 00:11:33.530 --> 00:11:36.320 feels good going on and goes in clear. 00:11:36.650 --> 00:11:38.870 And generally people will use it more 00:11:39.020 --> 00:11:41.870 Victoria: because nobody wants the zinc oxide like the old, 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.550 uh, surfers used to wear. 00:11:43.550 --> 00:11:43.700 Right? 00:11:43.700 --> 00:11:44.480 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:44.665 That, that 00:11:44.670 --> 00:11:45.985 John Harrold: stuff like that goes on feel cakey. 00:11:46.045 --> 00:11:47.065 And you look and look pasty. 00:11:47.810 --> 00:11:48.560 That's not gonna happen. 00:11:48.797 --> 00:11:50.627 because of our process, we're able to make something that's 00:11:50.717 --> 00:11:52.367 very consistent shape in size. 00:11:52.667 --> 00:11:56.537 These, they're non nano, but they're quite small particles and so they spread 00:11:56.537 --> 00:11:58.660 out really well, very evenly spread out. 00:11:58.810 --> 00:12:02.860 It's kind of like if you see a, um, a screen like for your window screen. 00:12:02.920 --> 00:12:03.100 Yeah. 00:12:03.100 --> 00:12:06.130 And you don't notice that you're blocking half the light coming 00:12:06.130 --> 00:12:08.170 through because everything's very evenly dis displaced out. 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:08.560 Right. 00:12:08.710 --> 00:12:10.600 That's the same thing that's going on with the, uh, materials when 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:11.470 it's spread out on your skin. 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:14.590 Victoria: What trends does this tap into? 00:12:14.590 --> 00:12:18.310 So when I think about kind of personal care and what's going on across this 00:12:18.430 --> 00:12:23.435 business and industry, what trends do you see fitting in that you guys are? 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:24.100 So, I'd say 00:12:25.060 --> 00:12:25.900 John Harrold: there's a couple questions. 00:12:25.900 --> 00:12:29.500 Number one is in the skincare industry, there's this clean 00:12:29.500 --> 00:12:30.670 beauty, which is really important. 00:12:30.880 --> 00:12:34.330 There's people who are making, really questioning with the ingredients right 00:12:34.330 --> 00:12:37.270 inside of what they want, and they wanna have something that's better for you. 00:12:37.270 --> 00:12:39.790 So they know they, you use middle based sunscreens, but they really want them. 00:12:39.790 --> 00:12:40.300 And there's like. 00:12:41.020 --> 00:12:43.595 Such a wealth of information available for people. 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:43.690 People. 00:12:43.690 --> 00:12:45.400 So they are seeking something better. 00:12:45.700 --> 00:12:48.040 We're seeking a better material, and then we can provide that for them. 00:12:48.350 --> 00:12:51.110 We make our material here in, in America, in Philadelphia. 00:12:51.230 --> 00:12:54.290 So people also really like the domestic supply chain for a number of reasons. 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:57.410 One, you know, if there's any interruptions, our material just still 00:12:57.410 --> 00:13:00.107 get made, so people are not worried about it, not being able to find it if there's, 00:13:00.560 --> 00:13:02.030 if there's trouble getting the materials. 00:13:02.300 --> 00:13:06.020 So this is something we're really excited about, but moreover, I think. 00:13:06.395 --> 00:13:09.965 People want something that's better for the environment. 00:13:10.145 --> 00:13:10.415 Right. 00:13:10.655 --> 00:13:13.732 But that's not really enough for them to move, move people. 00:13:13.762 --> 00:13:15.682 They want something that, well, it's gonna be better environment, 00:13:15.682 --> 00:13:18.772 but also needs to be significantly better than what's out there. 00:13:18.982 --> 00:13:19.132 Yeah. 00:13:19.462 --> 00:13:19.762 Right. 00:13:19.762 --> 00:13:21.472 So there needs to be sustainable. 00:13:22.012 --> 00:13:25.162 They also needs to change, move the needle a little bit. 00:13:25.162 --> 00:13:25.222 Yeah. 00:13:25.222 --> 00:13:26.417 And those things together needs be 00:13:26.457 --> 00:13:26.537 Victoria: improved. 00:13:26.542 --> 00:13:26.722 Yeah. 00:13:26.752 --> 00:13:27.112 John Harrold: Yeah. 00:13:27.352 --> 00:13:28.972 Are gonna get people to change their behavior. 00:13:28.972 --> 00:13:30.532 And that's, that's how we're in 00:13:30.892 --> 00:13:31.192 Victoria: Love it. 00:13:31.312 --> 00:13:31.732 Thank you. 00:13:32.350 --> 00:13:32.590 All right. 00:13:32.590 --> 00:13:34.430 I am with Christophe Krumm. 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.897 Who is the CEO of Cis they're here launching a new product. 00:13:38.897 --> 00:13:41.787 So, Christophe, tell us a little bit about Sironix. 00:13:41.807 --> 00:13:42.167 Christoph Krumm: Yeah. 00:13:42.257 --> 00:13:45.617 Uh, so Sironix is a startup company developing, new 00:13:45.617 --> 00:13:47.237 surfactants platform technology. 00:13:47.537 --> 00:13:50.027 We are a spin out from a university, so we developed this 00:13:50.027 --> 00:13:51.317 at the University of Minnesota. 00:13:51.617 --> 00:13:53.597 Spun that out as cis renewables. 00:13:53.597 --> 00:13:58.937 And we've been developing this platform ingredient technology that's based 00:13:58.937 --> 00:14:01.867 on bio waste, agricultural residue. 00:14:01.867 --> 00:14:05.977 So we use otherwise waste materials, turn them into valuable ingredients. 00:14:05.977 --> 00:14:10.437 And in this case, uh, surfactants, and those surfactants have really interesting 00:14:10.437 --> 00:14:12.147 applications, especially in personal care. 00:14:12.207 --> 00:14:13.887 Victoria: Yeah, and I think one of the things that's interesting, 00:14:13.887 --> 00:14:15.327 Christophe, that we talked about is. 00:14:16.032 --> 00:14:20.472 That, unlike other bios, surfactants, you're actually using traditional 00:14:20.622 --> 00:14:22.452 chemical processing technology, 00:14:22.632 --> 00:14:23.052 Christoph Krumm: right? 00:14:23.202 --> 00:14:23.442 Yeah. 00:14:23.442 --> 00:14:26.292 So we don't use fermentation, we don't use enzymes To make this, we 00:14:26.292 --> 00:14:28.092 use what we call simple pots and pan. 00:14:28.092 --> 00:14:31.522 So, uh, simple reactors, pressure systems. 00:14:31.572 --> 00:14:35.477 We use a solid catalyst, simple distillation process and outcomes. 00:14:35.677 --> 00:14:38.757 A surfactant that has really unique properties, but it's 00:14:38.757 --> 00:14:41.127 based on plant-based ingredients. 00:14:41.127 --> 00:14:45.447 So we have a hundred percent active, uh, and a hundred percent plant-based, 00:14:45.447 --> 00:14:48.837 input, and we can drive really interesting innovation with that 00:14:48.837 --> 00:14:50.477 chemistry approach as an output. 00:14:50.747 --> 00:14:50.957 Victoria: Awesome. 00:14:51.137 --> 00:14:54.467 So when you think about this, and I know you guys are here really promoting 00:14:54.467 --> 00:14:57.497 your product, and it's ready for formulations, it's ready for prime time. 00:14:57.628 --> 00:14:59.098 What products do you see this going into? 00:14:59.548 --> 00:15:03.078 Christoph Krumm: So our ingredients, are in the rinse off category. 00:15:03.078 --> 00:15:06.438 So we make onic surfactants that have incredible foam, 00:15:06.808 --> 00:15:08.278 they're incredibly mild on skin. 00:15:08.278 --> 00:15:10.918 And that that foam feel that you get when you rinse that off 00:15:10.918 --> 00:15:13.318 leaves your hands feeling really nice, or your skin in general. 00:15:13.838 --> 00:15:17.168 And it's really mild on skin, and that's something that a lot 00:15:17.168 --> 00:15:19.688 of folks are looking to achieve with their personal care products. 00:15:19.688 --> 00:15:22.808 They want something that's gonna give you that really nice foam, 00:15:23.018 --> 00:15:26.258 gonna give you something that cleans well, but it still feels good after. 00:15:26.258 --> 00:15:28.628 It doesn't feel like it takes all the oil off, your skin doesn't 00:15:28.628 --> 00:15:29.918 feel like it strips your hair. 00:15:30.078 --> 00:15:32.663 It still feels safe and natural in a way. 00:15:32.663 --> 00:15:32.823 Victoria: Yeah. 00:15:32.823 --> 00:15:35.628 Well, and in that course, that's also when people are thinking 00:15:35.628 --> 00:15:37.098 about bio-based products. 00:15:37.103 --> 00:15:37.343 Mm-hmm. 00:15:37.428 --> 00:15:38.478 They often think that it does. 00:15:39.063 --> 00:15:41.223 Feel better, do better, et cetera. 00:15:41.283 --> 00:15:41.433 Although 00:15:41.433 --> 00:15:43.233 Christoph Krumm: that's not always the case, although that is not always 00:15:43.233 --> 00:15:43.683 Victoria: the case. 00:15:43.683 --> 00:15:43.893 Right? 00:15:43.893 --> 00:15:48.213 I often like to say, you know, why, which was around and used for soap for years is 00:15:48.213 --> 00:15:50.433 very harsh, very natural, and very harsh. 00:15:50.433 --> 00:15:51.453 So it's not always the case. 00:15:51.780 --> 00:15:52.140 Christophe. 00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:52.530 Thank you. 00:15:52.740 --> 00:15:53.520 Christoph Krumm: Thank you so much. 00:15:54.823 --> 00:15:57.043 Outro: Thanks for joining us today on The Chemical Show. 00:15:57.373 --> 00:16:01.873 If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review, 00:16:02.113 --> 00:16:05.503 and most importantly, share it with your friends and colleagues. 00:16:06.493 --> 00:16:09.823 For more insights, visit the Chemical show.com 00:16:10.303 --> 00:16:11.788 and connect with us on LinkedIn. 00:16:12.553 --> 00:16:16.513 You can find me at Victoria King Meyer on LinkedIn, and you can also 00:16:16.513 --> 00:16:18.673 find us at The Chemical Show Podcast. 00:16:18.853 --> 00:16:22.033 Join us next time for more conversations and strategies 00:16:22.333 --> 00:16:24.103 shaping the future of the industry. 00:16:24.493 --> 00:16:25.213 We'll 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