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Mr Daley: [
00:00:00] Welcome to the show that gives it to you and no fluff, real Christianity and all that good stuff. Welcome to the Daley Perspective. And I'm your host, Mr. Daley. And today we are doing something a little different. We've got an interview today. I'm going to be talking to Izzy Baker. We're gonna be talking about his podcast.
But before we get into that, I want to give a shout out to everyone who's watching on YouTube. Shout out to the people that listen on Spotify, Apple podcast, Google podcast, Breaker Tune In wherever you listen from. We appreciate you. If you haven't subscribed yet, go to your favorite streaming platform and hit that subscribe button.
Subscribe and like on YouTube as well, make sure you hit the notification bell. So you get notified every time we post. So let me introduce, actually, let me hand over to my guest and let him introduce himself. So Izzy, let the people know who you are.
Izzy: [
00:00:59] Hey [
00:01:00] everybody. My name is Izzy Baker. I am from St. Louis, Missouri and the United States. I currently live in Houston, Texas. I I'm a writer, creative director, low key fake comedian, you know so many different things I can do, but right now, mainly I am a podcast host and the whole stuff, PSA podcast a mental health podcast.
I like to say it's the other side of mental health. And it is for mental health conscious millennials with unpopular opinions.
Mr Daley: [
00:01:32] Cool. So first question for me, really? How did you get into this?
Izzy: [
00:01:41] All right. So our remember was around 2017. I graduated high school, high school. I graduated college fall 16, graduated college, fall 16, and I had a job, but it ended up. I was about to get fired anyway, so I quit, but you know, post-grad depression, all that good [
00:02:00] stuff kind of took place. So, you know, that's what that was.
And so I remember I was substitute teaching at the time,
dad had called me one day I was at work or after I got off work was like you know you're super creative You should create something like a blog or something.
So I originally came up with the name PSA, which is prodigy sportive attestations, which is a double meaning. So prodigy is the name of the brand.
Me and my father own sportive is the double meaning light or playful, and then attestations is something delivered as truth or news. So if you put it all together, you can say prodigy, light truth, light news, funny news, funny, truth whatever it is, long as, you know, it's kind of like something that's true, but then delivered in a way that, you know,
so it was a blog at first where I was kind of take the stuff that happened on in the world.
And I was just like, make jokes about it, you know, just kind of bring light to the situation, make jokes, but I couldn't really keep up with it. and so. [
00:03:00] I took time out and I was okay. I was praying. I was thinking God, like, what can I do? What can I do? Because I felt like the name was too creative, not to be doing something with so I took a break sometimes we don't know what to do that sometimes we want to keep trying to find something sometimes just you just need to just stay back from so, around August I took a break from it and I remember I was supposed to go out with some friends one night and this was maybe early 2018 or late 2019 And I didn't go and I was watching this lady and she was like God is going to drop the idea today so I was laying in the bed and ideas just started download and so when I decided I was hearing between YouTube podcasts but then I ended up hearing podcasts was two things I always wanted to do a YouTube channel but this was before I lost weight and I'm still like toning up and stuff now so I didn't want to I didn't really like one like I was to a camera, so, and I was like podcasts I don't know. I don't even like podcasts. So I listened to them, I should say. So I ended up, it was one I listened to the whole summer. Not even [
00:04:00] on purpose before I even knew I was going to do a podcast which I know was a divine set up.
And then when I decided the podcast, I said, okay, cool. So then I took about two to three weeks to just study podcasts, like the top podcasts in these categories, why they number one and drop the first episode, February of 2018. and season five comes back March 18th.
Mr Daley: [
00:04:24] Right. Right. So there's some that you, you dropped a few things in that whole intro right there that I want to touch on. First one, first thing you said was postgraduate depression . I ain't even going to front. I don't even know what the definition of postgraduate depression is. So what is post-graduate depression?
How do how do you know, is it something that everyone goes through and we just don't know about it.
Izzy: [
00:04:52] So a lot of people go through it. Like I said, I don't know how it is because you're in the UK. Right.
Izzy: [
00:04:58] So I don't know how it is there [
00:05:00] but in the United States there's something is actually very possible most people a lot of people do go through it not everybody but it's kind of that wouldn't what now because it's like we did all this school celebrated all this and it's like now what because it's so hard and so competitive and it's so difficult to get a job unless you're trying to be a doctor a lawyer or a teacher you know it's like what now so for me I was originally going to school with the intent of being a lawyer which was something that I really didn't want to do but I was told I'd be good at it and
And what happened was I had went to visit the school. I went to Texas Southern university HBCU in Houston, Texas. Well, I live in Houston now and I had went to visit the school and they was trying to figure out me and my dad was like, well, we want to be a lawyer. So we asked the lawyer what'll be his best thing to majoring.
He said English, because that's going to be [
00:06:00] the most beneficial. It will be helpful with critical analysis of the help you get through law school. And it was like worst case. If I don't go to be a lawyer, I can always
teach and so that's kind of how that happened. I was always good at English. I was an AP, I was always been a writer, my whole life, always the creative stories.
And then my junior senior year, I was in AP English, so of high school. So it kind of just aligned, which is funny with that even because in high school I didn't sign up for AP English. My teacher signed me up for AP English and said, You know, I think you can do it. I really would want you to, if you don't want to it's okay.
But I really think should and you know not even realizing all of what's happening you know it was again set. So yeah.
Oh, okay. Okay. So if I relate to that, I think in the UK, definitely we, there are a number of people that go through that situation where they've been to school. They finished, they [
00:07:00] graduated. Can't get a job and they're like, well, what do I do now?
It was, my situation was a bit weird. Cause I went, I did, I finished, I got a job before I finished, so I didn't really have that lull I didn't have that downtime. But where I went to was away from home, it was the first time I'd ever left home.
Mr Daley: [
00:07:27] well, when I, it's not like most people leave home and go to school and then it's different because they get into an environment where they meet people and they make friends and, and, you know, you kinda, you adjust together.
I moved to a whole new town as a graduate. Starting a job, not knowing anyone in that, in, in that town. Being the only black person on [
00:08:00] my graduate program and an organization full of white people. So again, just feeling like a needle in a haystack sort of thing, I'm the odd one out. So it hit me different that the depression and.
I don't know whether to call it depression. But the, the feeling, the mental health issue that arose from that was this sense of isolation. This feeling of just being well, what do I do now? Because I'm out here by myself. I ain't got no one around me. All my friends, my family are a hundred and something miles away.
And. I can see them on the weekend, but that's going to get costly to be driving back home every weekend. What do I do there? Ain't no black people around me. I'm unusual an unusual setting. I'm afraid because [
00:09:00] I'll explain that as well. So moving there, I got I got, so in the UK, we got as Far I think they call em far.
Is it far yeah. Five, far, right. Political party called the BNP, the British national party, which is a racist organization. And the first day I move into my new apartment. I get their leaflets through my door. So I'm like, ah, snap I moved into a racist environment too. So all of that compounded just kinda made me feel. What the hell am I doing here?
Izzy: [
00:09:37] Yeah. Why, why, why am I here?
Mr Daley: [
00:09:40] yeah, so that's how I can relate to that kind of feeling. That a lot of people felt when they finish and where you end up, it's kind of just being in no man's land. It's that kind of feeling. So the other thing that you said was you talked about not wanting to do the podcast because, I mean, sorry, not wanting to do YouTube [
00:10:00] because.
You weren't feeling how you were looking at the time. Again, I think there's something, it took me ages to put myself. And this is funny because I used to be on stage rapping and stuff like that, but putting myself on YouTube or something that was something I wanted to do 10 years ago, but I couldn't bring myself to do it.
Just because I was conscious of people looking at me, which is weird. Because I'd been on stage in front of thousands of people before, but I was afraid this felt far more what's the word? Intimate. So it just made me not want to do it. So I could, again, I could relate to what you were saying.
Did that contribute to that mental health?
Izzy: [
00:10:39] I think for the most part with me, as far as the whole not wanting to be on camera thing, I think that was more so just because it was like, you know, I think it was more so I just didn't like my body at the time.
And I didn't like how I looked on camera and. [
00:11:00] Part of, it was kind of fear of what other people would think.
Because honestly, when I started my podcast, I was, anonymous the first 10 episodes. Like I just, I was trying to be like, if you listen to the first episode, not too many people catch it. The very first episode, I said, what's up with, this is prodigy. I didn't even say who I was because I wanted it to be like, kinda like I was going from the angle of like the shade room or something where it was like, you don't know who who's doing.
It is this, you know, if somebody and. You know, granted, I didn't have a following big enough for that. No way. So it would've never worked, but first season was 15 episodes and that's the, and then that one was episode 10. So I didn't drop into who I was. I'm going to think.
and I'll only let like close people or people who I felt like would be supportive, listened to it.
And then just kind of like, you know, that way, but I think it wasn't post-grad from me. Cause at that, by that point I had a job and was making money. So I was cool by then, but it was just how I felt the view myself. I should say. I'll say that.
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Mr Daley: [
00:11:59] Right, right. So let's fast forward a bit. You're doing this podcast now. It's about men's men.
It's about mental health because it's not specific men, but in today's society, what would you say is the biggest mental health issue that we have out there?
Izzy: [
00:12:19] I would pro I would think maybe anxiety. I would say anxiety. That's what I would think. Cause a lot of people use anxious. You don't know what to expect, what's coming next. You know, it seemed like every day, you know, which is a sign of the times. But you don't know, like you don't know what's what, what to expect for me.
I don't deal with anxiety like that anymore, but I could see people being like, just what's going to happen today. You know, we had the COVID and then we had, you know, the police brutalities over here, you know, in the United States and that it keeps happening. It's just, it's like, what? What next? You know?
Cause I don't like, have you ever heard of hip hop era? You seen that meme, that's going around with the big yellow bird [
00:13:00] dancing and its like who's next.
it's kinda like that It's like who's next what's next You know I don't know So it was just like people all sitting on age.
Mr Daley: [
00:13:12] That's interesting because so personally , I. Suffered and I suffered from anxiety. Definitely. I didn't recognize it till last year, because for me, I was, you know, I'm a father, I'm a husband.
My job was knuckle down and get this done. Put your head down and keep, keep moving. You haven't got time to be sick. You haven't got time to be ill. You haven't got time to be stressed out. You haven't got time to, you got to provide, you got to do what you got to do. So I never acknowledged the fact that I had this anxiety because it, if I [
00:14:00] did it meant I had to slow down, but I had to because.
It was, I started having panic attacks as well. So something had to give again, it's I think that was divine intervention. I think that was God stepping in and saying, Oh, you're going to recognize that there's something that you need to deal with here. And if you, if you weren't going to do it, if you weren't going to slow down to, to.
Recognize it, then I'm going to slow you down, so you have to recognize it. So I definitely even that was by, I completely agree with you that I think anxiety is the biggest thing right now that and I think is, tell me if you agree with this and give me your opinion, but do you feel that black men suffer from more anxiety?
Taking into account things like police brutality discrimination at work just that, Hey, that being stereotyped as thugs and whatever, just [
00:15:00] when you walking down the street, I know it's the same in the, in the US as it is in the UK as a black man. We, you. I guess you guys are got at worst because you can get shot by the cops and stuff.
You know, we, we just get choked out, put knees and our back well that can still kill you. But police brutality is police brutality, but do you think that for black men, our anxiety levels are higher than everyone else's?
Izzy: [
00:15:24] It's funny that you asked me that because,
I, in 2016 I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression. The general, I think anxiety and then some really depression. So I went to a therapist then. I actually go back to a therapist now, not because I was going through a crisis, but it was funny because I wasn't liked as being grouped for the most part.
And then I had right after this and like, I started going to a therapist, stuff started happening. So I feel like God kind of was like, I need you to go back to the therapist because. You know, at first I was like, why do I need to go back? Because I'm like, I'm good for the most part, butfun fact. I am not a licensed professional, but I had [
00:16:00] had licensed professionals on my show who has said that they have a therapist and one of them shout out to Candace Pitner.
She said, if your therapist don't have a therapist and they don't need to be your therapist. So I feel like if these therapists have a therapist and although I'm not certified or ha or professional I still have a mental health based podcast I should get one too again now because I am a teacher I work in a school so I get the free service and I'm taking advantage of it.
And I have a man I'm 26, he's 35, I think. And
He made a statement.In our last session, he said, I say all that to say this. He said, he actually believes that men are more sensitive than women. They just hide it better. And they just try to put up this tough exterior.
And then I was like
Mr Daley: [
00:16:53] Not as real talk. I agree with that. I agree with that statement. One of the things I'm a big talked [
00:17:00] about this on clubhouse and and stuff, but I'm a big advocate of men's mental health, because I think a lot of men are not living their best lives because they're trying to live up to this macho stereotype.
The Hollywood family culture, whatever has created. And we feel we've got to, we've got to fall into that box. Everybody has got to be this macho guy. With that bravado. That means that nothing gets to you. Don't feel pain. You can take, you can take hit after hit, after hit, but the reality of it is.
True. True strength comes from showing weakness. True strength comes from showing vulnerability because if you can't process those basic emotions, [
00:18:00] you're just a time bomb waiting to explode. And I had to learn that the hard way I had to, I had to almost have my wife tell me that look. We go, we're going to have to go our separate ways because you don't know how to communicate.
You don't show no emotion. You you just, you just bottle everything in and you don't let anyone else in. And I know you're in pain, but you put up this wall to make it look like you're not in pain. And then once we had that conversation and she started to get me to let my, let my walls down, man, it was the most freeing experience. And that's what a lot of men for me are missing out on the freedom to be just be you no shame in it. There's no shame in crying. I think hope I gave his name get his name, right, but his guy follow on Instagram. Jason Wilson. I can't remember. [
00:19:00] He's real men was it is his book called real men cry or something.
I'll get the name of the book. I'll put it, I'll put it in the details, but this is a guy that teaches martial arts has lived a very masculine life as you would define it. But again, he came to the same conclusion without letting his walls down and. Dealing with those emotions. He was just a time bomb and young men are just especially young black men with all the pressure on them, are just time bombs waiting to go off.
And that's why we keep getting young men that get into trouble and get into all kinds of stuff, because they're not dealing with the stuff that that's in inside.
Yeah, I agree. So hopefully, you know, spaces like this, you know, the podcast and like I said, people do them at church and other churches have started doing them because I know my church does it, but like, [
00:20:00] you know,
what about just You know Facebook groups hey man let's meet up see how you doing you know let's let's call each other and just see how we doing you know what I'm saying Let's not take I'm good as an excuse when we know something else is going on you know you know we have to open the door for those conversations but I think some of us that may be dealt with people throwing things up in our faces as a young at a young age or you know feeling like they have to be the the you know,
Man at a house that they grew up in a house with only women, you know?
So that's the unfortunate, you know, the unfortunate just unfortunate cards of life that we just, we just get put in sometimes.
Mr Daley: [
00:20:45] So what would you say.
Because how many seasons seasons have you done now?
Izzy: [
00:20:51] I've done 4, 110 episodes.
Mr Daley: [
00:20:53] Four You broke, you broke the back of that. [
00:21:00] So out of those four seasons, what would you say is your favorite episode that you've done?
Izzy: [
00:21:06] Hm, it's funny because I did a top ten a top five countdown for my a hundred episodes special. That's on YouTube and of course, on all other streaming platforms, I was, I had to do a visual for the a hundred episodes. But I would have to say my favorite episode would have to be
from season four and I'll have to say shaking the room and it's based off the pop smoke song shake the room and you know I like it because some people on this earth are just that room and not necessarily coming there shooting up the place or swinging on people which they do that too but sometimes they come in and it's just like the attention is on them [
00:22:00] whether it be because of their personality or because of things they say or because of the way they dress you know what I'm saying And I like that cause I know when I come in and for good and bad reasons at times in my life I'm not gonna lie but I've come in and its just like the energy shifts like I'm noticeable. You can't, you know what I'm saying? So I liked that when I did. And if you haven't listened to it, go listen to it.
Check in the
Mr Daley: [
00:22:27] Oh yeah, no, I'm a, I'm a definitely checked out. I think one of the things that I noticed on your Instagram was just the ways that. You kind of frame your podcasts, like that example right there, it was inspired by the pop smoke or now that's not, you wouldn't typically relate that to a mental health topic because people would just be like, ah, you know, I'm just, it's got to be so clear.
People expect something so clinical, but you kind of coming at it from a different angle you're [
00:23:00] taking everyday things and things that people. Listen to, or experience on a, on a regular basis and using them to frame the conversation, where did that inspiration to do things that way come from?
Izzy: [
00:23:11] Jesus. No, but I had a friend and we was talking about this the other night and he was just like a lot of stuff you have, you can't teach that. I says you can't you know, I tell people all the time, if you look at my DVR, I live by myself and they always, and I would say, if you look at my DVR, you would think of a whole family lives here because I'm interested in so many different things.
And I've always been that way. And my mind is definitely over all over the place. It's a scatterbrain, but it's a good scatterbrain, you know, I've always been that way. And, you know, It, of course with that, it has to have its moments, which is why I feel like I've had the mental health issues that I have, but, you know, it's a good, it's a good balance.
I feel like, and I like it. So I just, it just, it is what it is like I'll be having, cause people always asked, you know, where do you get your [
00:24:00] episode's ideas from? Right. It'll be, I might be watching a TV show and there might be a scenario where a group of friends and I'm like, That'd be a good topic. Or I'll reminisce on something that happened to me or I'll soon see something on Instagram or I've been in a podcast interview and got an inspiration for episode from that, you know, it's just, I can be playing the video game of scenario, come up.
Like it's, it's just. That's why I love creativity because when you're truly a creative person, you can get inspiration from literally everything. And for me, I kind of did like how it represented excuse me. After season four ended December 3rd, my dad was like, you know, I think it should take like a long break, like come back in like March.
So in that break, I do, I'm doing a podcast course there. That's helping me to grow my marketing and grow it. And it's been working so far. And with that I allow life to life and I've been going through some stuff.
You know the [
00:25:00] last few months. And it was, it was hard at the time, but I'm thankful because it gave me so many topics.
So, you know, it was, it was needed, but yeah, it's just everything. I don't like. I like giving ideas, you know, where, like you said, it looked like I'm going at it from this angle, but I'm going to hit it with it totally come from somewhere else. I like the plot
Mr Daley: [
00:25:21] Yeah Yeah. I think you, you hit on something that was again, super interesting for me being like you, I'm a creative, we talked about this as well. I've got. Obviously the Daley Perspective is one of one podcast of two at the moment. We, that the whole thing with a Daley Perspective network is to I'm trying to grow a media company from, from the ground up.
So there are dreams and visions for other shows other podcasts, documentaries short TV type shows. Food shows and stuff like that. There's so much stuff going around in my head. [
00:26:00] And what I've, what I've found with speaking and engaging and , being a creative and then engaging with other creatives is that a lot of us have experienced mental health issues.
I've always put it down to maybe it's because we live in our heads a lot because we are so idea orientated. And then if things aren't happening as fast as we want them to, we become frustrated. We become anxious and all of these other things. Do you think that, that, do you think the creatives are more prone to mental health issues?
Izzy: [
00:26:40] Absolutely. Absolutely. Because like you said, we live in our heads and we're very like real, like I said, it's, it's a blessing and a curse because if it's not controlled because we can have the. Ideas and create these stories and all these different things, but then we'll be prone over thinking [
00:27:00] and maybe dwelling on a situation.
We shouldn't, you know, for me, I got a real bad where I think about something I did when I was seven, eight sound stupid, seven, eight years old, and like, get the anxiety from this situation. I love again. I'm like, wow. That's like, That's almost 20 years ago, you know, and not holding a grudge or anything but more so just like embarrassed, feeling that embarrassment again.
And it's like, what are you doing? You know? And so I definitely agree with that. It's just that we live in our heads and, you know, living in your head can be a good thing or a bad thing, you know, it just depends.
Mr Daley: [
00:27:33] yeah. I think I have encounters I have where people talk to me a certain way and for the next three four hours, I'm replaying that interaction and. Just the different ways I could have responded. I'm getting mad at myself because I'm like.
Why didn't I say this to this dude? Right. Wanting to drive back and try and start the interaction again. So I could definitely [
00:28:00] relate to that, to the living in your head and overthinking everything because I definitely think that that that is something that I do. I guess that that is my create.
Creative side, taking control the creative brain, just doing its thing. So you said the season five is going to start in March. So how do you do your thing? Do you, are you a batch recorder? Do you wait and just do them on a weekly basis? See I'm a weekly, I'm a weekly recorder. I like to just. I think if I have to think about all at all, everything and just record like 10 in a row, I would, it would lose that.
It lose that natural feel. I want it to feel organic. So, but what's your process? Are you a batch recorder? Do you just go with your organic every week and record?
again kind of all over the place Like sometimes it has been days where which I hate and I don't like doing it where I recorded the same the day before and edit the same day and the edited the night and then yeah like that and there's been times where I have recorded with two different guests two episodes in a day and then okay this one is for the week after next and this will be the week after that you know so it really just depends I can't really do batch like that I'm not if I did do batch just because of timing with with the guests that's the only reason so but just me like I got some free time I could do my episode now no not really cause I just I don't like forcing it and then I feel like if I force it it loses the me in it is more so it will be two to me when I have done that the episode is too informative and I want it to be informative but I still want that natural you know charismatic clown and laughing and grin and cheese and you know random story pop in my head about something that [
00:30:00] happened to me the other day I had somebody hit me missed her but together So I forget stuff like that Trying to if I try to like do it in bulk
Mr Daley: [
00:30:09] Okay. Okay. I get that. I get that. I think, yeah. So do you do more guest episodes or do you do quite few solo
Izzy: [
00:30:22] I'm about half and half. Some people had even stated that they noticed when I'm by myself, I'm more like somebody say like free, like I'm like. Yes. Honestly I like doing a better by myself because I'm not, you know, dwelling or forced to do it. Like how the guest, you know? Cause it's like with the gifts, it's like we have a topic and we're dissecting it together and it's something I know that you can talk about.
While at the same time it's still an interview for you too. So it's kinda like a, it's like both at the same time.
Mr Daley: [
00:30:57] Yeah, I get that. I mean, I think [
00:31:00] interviews for me, you whilst they are fun, they can feel, you can feel a bit more pressure in an interview situation.
Don't help people like us to get anxiety or that stuff. So I'm thinking all my gosh, what am I going to say next? What, what w what am I going to do? How do I move into the next bit? So, yeah. Okay. I enjoy doing the solo thing kind of similar to you. It's kind of, it's kind of free because. I like telling people random stories.
I mean, I did an episode, a couple of weeks back called to all the girls I loved before. And I got reminisce on all the girls that I've dated and told the stories about how that came about and why it wasn't really love. It was just infatuation and all of that stuff. So, Oh, whilst we own this, there was something that I said to a friend recently.
So I'm going to take, get your take on [
00:32:00] this.
Mr Daley: [
00:32:01] Do you feel that people recognize that children are just as prone to mental health issues as we are as adults?
Izzy: [
00:32:16] do you think people are recognize that children are more prone?
Izzy: [
00:32:23] I think now they are, but at first for a long, and even now I would still say that's a little debatable. But not really because it's too many kids because some adults, especially us, we tend to think, you know, Oh, you ain't got no bills to pay.
Oh, you, you know what you depressed for me. I had more of my stuff as a kid than I ever did as an adult.
You know? When I got that, when I went through the therapist first time at 20.
16 and I was 22 And honestly I can tell you I can honestly will be like 23 [
00:33:00] 24 25 were like some of the best years of my life and it was just I was you know I used to wake up just in a good mood and it would be like you know which I remember waking up days as anxious and nervous like what's going to happen next so you know if there's just
Mr Daley: [
00:33:22] Yeah. Now I agree with that. I mean, I was talking to, so I did an again on a previous episode, not of the Daley Perspective, but of the other podcast Imperfectly Human podcasts. I talked about just my experiences growing up. And how I felt like my mom, if my mom listens to this one, she goes, I want to be talking about this thing again.
I said to her, I felt like I told her how I felt like the black sheep of the family. And I didn't deal with that [
00:34:00] till late twenties. Late twenties, early thirties. That's a long time to carry that feeling because that feeling didn't start at that age. That feeling started way before that. And it was what made me realize that, wait, we, as children, as children, we are stressed out.
We stress about. Now stress is relative, just because to us as adults, that stuff sounds trivial now, but to a child, you know, go into school in going to school. So we we've got these things called non-uniform days in the UK, where you get to wear your own clothes to school. Kids get anxious about what they're gonna wear to school on that day, [
00:35:00] because for the rest of the year, it's everybody dresses the same.
There's no pressure that you don't have to. No, one's going to be looking at how, whether you got Jordan's on or whether you, you know, what jeans you got on or whether nobody cares because everybody is rocking the same stuff. But as soon as that day comes. That is a, that triggers anxiety in a lot, a lot of children, children get stressed out and anxious about tests and all of these little things.
But to us, they sound trivial because we're saying, well, you know, like you said, you don't pay no bills. You don't do this. You don't do that. So what, why you, what you stressed for? So it made me realize that mental health issues start at a far younger age. And all we do because we're not, we don't get the children or we because as parents, I think we can help our children process these by having regular conversations with them and talking with them and helping [
00:36:00] them getting them to articulate how they're feeling and helping them process those feelings.
But if we don't. These feelings just come compounded constantly. And to the point where they reach adulthood, and then they get all the stresses of adult hood building on stuff that they never dealt with.
Izzy: [
00:36:20] You know, it's funny because that was how it was for me now, you know, and it, you said your mom would be like, why are you talking about it? But, you know, unfortunately they they're gonna, they feel away, but in the same breath, it still needs to be a conversation. So my dad is,
Mr Daley: [
00:36:34] we done talked it. Me and my mom done talk it, we talked it through, I mean, we talked it earlier this week as well, but yeah,
Izzy: [
00:36:42] So my dad is a guidance counselor. My mom is they both in education. and so basically I think my stuff started around eight or nine when my parents got a divorce. And although I got over the divorce, I still feel like they kind of opened the door. So. You know, [
00:37:00] I, and I, and I don't know how I forgot to leave out that I actually battled with suicidal ideation.
So I used to, you know, and, and most people, and it's the same with joke I use every time, but most people think is saying you suicide. I was like, Oh, let me go jump off a cliff. No, not necessarily. Sometimes it's, it's just, I don't want to be here. You know, I be better off, away
and And.
even at times it wasn't even always suicidal thoughts.
It was just be like, maybe I should just go and just see where I
Izzy: [
00:37:31] Yeah. And so basically I'm feeling that way a lot. And I remember one day I was just kinda just see like, well, you know, you test the water, say something and see where people head is at. And I remember I said, okay, Something to my mom about suicide.
I don't think I said it about me. I just don't know how it came And her response, you know, suicide is selfish. People that do that, that is very selfish. And I just said, okay, so I know I can't talk to you. And then I remember I [
00:38:00] went to my dad one time. It was something that happened. And at that time, I didn't know how to say I was anxious.
So I would say I'm nervous. So I remember I had told him something I'm like, yeah. And I was just nervous. What were you nervous about? And I was just like, okay. Nevermind. So I think when we say talking to our kids, you know, and it's funny, I had an episode with a therapist while I was on her show and she said the issue is.
Parents kids pay attention to their parents. And if your parents are always complaining or, you know, talking about how hard life is, why would, I think what I'm going through is important. If you talking about you losing jobs and all this, and I'm telling you, I don't, I'm feeling depressed. How I don't see as a kid, of course.
So how was that? You know, and that was like, well, you know, we were open and I'm like you saying that, but we're you, you know what I mean? And so I think the issue is with parents and whoever has kids, you know, don't be running around, you know, keep adult business, [
00:39:00] adult business. Don't be, you know, talking about how you ain't got no money or you can't do this.
Oh, I wish, you know, cause then it's like, well, what you're saying matters more than what I'm saying. So, you know, and I'm gonna just keep it to myself so that, that's my take on that.
Mr Daley: [
00:39:19] thats, as bro. That was that's insightful because I mean, you done touched on stuff that.
I probably never even, I guess the only person I've ever really talked to about that sort of stuff is my wife. But yeah, I had them feelings. I'd have I used to say to her that there were times when I was in my early twenties, I'd be in my car and I'd be like, I could just drive this car into a tree or I'd be I'd be like, Oh, I can just drive and just keep driving and not come back.
I wonder if I, if I was going with anyone, miss me? [
00:40:00] would be the sorts of things that I kept saying now to me, I didn't think they were I didn't, I don't think I ever wanted to allow myself to believe they was suicidal thoughts, but when you process again, when you process those things, you realize what they were and.
It's crazy because in our community, in the black community, that there's a stigma to mental health as a black man, you're not supposed to have mental health issues. Oh, that's that? But that's not black people thing. That's why people stuff No, it's everybody's stuff. Every, everybody has this stuff is heavy.
This stuff is hard to deal with. Life is hard. So yeah, that, that that's that's I'm glad you, I'm glad you said the stuff that you said it, you know, I think a lot of people need to hear [
00:41:00] that stuff. Izzy, Izzy, we, we kinda hitting time, but bro, we got to do a part two to this I think there's so much stuff we haven't even touched on.
Izzy is on clubhouse as well. So people know I'm on clubhouse. You can follow me on clubhouse, but follow Izzy on clubhouse Izzy you want to give people your social media details and your podcast details so they can hook up with you and start listening.
Izzy: [
00:41:25] Oh, definitely. So podcast again, drops March 18th on all streaming platforms. I'm not a full visual podcast, but I will have a visual more visual this season. And the first episode will be a visual. All right, I'm gonna go ahead and just drop the title. The title of it is how podcasts has become the new rap game.
So you have to tune into that, how I break that down, but and how it relates to mental health. Cause I got dragged for somebody trying to say I didn't, but whatever, but anyway so Instagram, Twitter, clubhouse, YouTube yeah, underscore easy bake oven. That's the person [
00:42:00] page podcast page for Facebook.
They have a Facebook page. Instagram is prodigy sportive attestations, a long name. He'll put it down. You can spell it. He'll spell it. And then Twitter is prodigy sportive. And then, yeah, that's it.
Cool. So me and Izzy and Dr. Johnson from my other podcast, we've talked about potentially doing stuff on clubhouse and trying to get together and bring. Especially that we're all, since we're all Christians as well, there were so many angles. People don't realize that we, as Christians are not boring square people.
We are people that are about this life. We, we, we like a good time just because we love Jesus doesn't mean that we don't like to live life and have a good time too. So we're trying to do a lot more stuff together. We're hoping to do some stuff in clubhouse. We will keep you posted on those things. Keep your eye on Izzy's.
Instagram, keep your eye on my [
00:43:00] Instagram. And we will definitely throw the information up when those things start popping off and being arranged. Izzy, I want to thank you for being on the show. I want to thank our listeners for tuning in to this show and we will catch you on next week's episode of the.
Daley Perspective, almost thought on the other podcast, this is what happens when you got more than one show but yeah, we will catch you on another episode of the Daley Perspective be good to each other and a peace we'll catch you soon.
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Mr Daley