WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.540 Alison: Bananas. 00:00:00.759 --> 00:00:02.339 Go, go bananas. 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.139 Matt: Go bananas. 00:00:04.139 --> 00:00:06.060 Go, go bananas. 00:00:09.289 --> 00:00:10.309 Hi Alison. 00:00:11.254 --> 00:00:11.734 Alison: Hi, Matt. 00:00:12.229 --> 00:00:13.129 Matt: How are you? 00:00:13.941 --> 00:00:14.571 Alison: Great. 00:00:14.601 --> 00:00:17.571 I didn't, I didn't do an outline for today. 00:00:18.189 --> 00:00:19.599 Matt: You didn't do an outline for wait. 00:00:19.599 --> 00:00:20.139 Well, what? 00:00:20.764 --> 00:00:21.514 Alison: I know. 00:00:21.972 --> 00:00:22.932 Matt: What does that mean? 00:00:22.932 --> 00:00:24.312 Alison: I guess it means we're wingin' it. 00:00:24.779 --> 00:00:26.969 Interestingly enough, we don't have an outline today, yet I 00:00:26.969 --> 00:00:34.866 feel more prepared than normal be well, because we had homework. 00:00:35.181 --> 00:00:36.981 Matt: We had homework gave each other homework today. 00:00:37.011 --> 00:00:37.281 Yeah. 00:00:38.226 --> 00:00:40.896 Alison: So I guess homework supersedes outline. 00:00:41.091 --> 00:00:41.601 Matt: Yeah. 00:00:41.991 --> 00:00:42.381 Uh huh. 00:00:42.621 --> 00:00:43.191 That works. 00:00:43.484 --> 00:00:44.084 That works. 00:00:44.189 --> 00:00:46.949 Alison: You don't sound at all convinced. 00:00:46.964 --> 00:00:48.014 Matt: I don't know anything. 00:00:48.551 --> 00:00:48.761 Okay. 00:00:48.761 --> 00:00:52.851 Today we're gonna deviate a little bit from the topics that 00:00:52.856 --> 00:00:55.321 we normally bring on ADHd20. 00:00:55.611 --> 00:01:00.901 We think it's gonna be fun because, when we say D&D of course, we mean 00:01:00.901 --> 00:01:06.531 D&D .When we say ADHD, of course, we mean ADHD, but sometimes there's room 00:01:06.531 --> 00:01:08.601 in there for all manner of nerdery. 00:01:08.911 --> 00:01:13.846 And one, one just precious corner of the multiverse that a 00:01:13.846 --> 00:01:15.256 lot of people like to talk about. 00:01:15.586 --> 00:01:20.326 And we like to talk about, uh, is television, movies, that 00:01:20.506 --> 00:01:23.146 kind of like world of fun. 00:01:23.956 --> 00:01:28.196 And, um, we're thinking that every once in a while we might just like 00:01:28.196 --> 00:01:35.801 pick a TV show or a movie and see how much ADHD coding is found within 00:01:35.981 --> 00:01:37.661 that movie or television show. 00:01:38.121 --> 00:01:42.307 And by coding, what I mean is when, when something is coding, that means like 00:01:42.307 --> 00:01:46.537 you're watching it and you're like, Ooh, Ooh, that there's an underlying message 00:01:46.537 --> 00:01:51.817 there that the writers, actors, directors are trying to say, they're trying to 00:01:51.817 --> 00:01:53.737 point out without actually saying it. 00:01:53.737 --> 00:01:53.977 Right. 00:01:53.977 --> 00:01:54.667 It's coded. 00:01:54.997 --> 00:02:01.771 And so, um, uh, for example, a very recent example of something that I saw that 00:02:01.771 --> 00:02:05.761 I was like, Ooh, Miss Marvel has ADHD. 00:02:06.151 --> 00:02:12.121 And sure enough, it turns out that Kamala Kahn does not officially have ADHD in 00:02:12.826 --> 00:02:18.596 in the world of Marvel comics, but the director specifically made choices 00:02:18.656 --> 00:02:21.836 that said this kid, this kid has ADHD. 00:02:21.836 --> 00:02:23.126 Which I thought was super fun. 00:02:23.246 --> 00:02:23.966 Super cool. 00:02:24.176 --> 00:02:24.776 Interesting. 00:02:24.846 --> 00:02:26.076 It's all speculation. 00:02:26.166 --> 00:02:28.536 We don't know anything about anything. 00:02:28.746 --> 00:02:30.066 We don't know anything about anything. 00:02:30.071 --> 00:02:33.396 So it's just, it's just us just like, Hmm. 00:02:33.456 --> 00:02:34.266 Is this happening? 00:02:34.266 --> 00:02:37.806 Is It's also not like we're trying to make everybody have ADHD. 00:02:37.806 --> 00:02:38.286 We're not. 00:02:38.496 --> 00:02:41.076 We promise though, you know, 00:02:41.196 --> 00:02:44.226 Alison: No, we're pretty exclusive about our, our cool kids club. 00:02:44.226 --> 00:02:45.606 We don't, we don't, we don't want 00:02:45.636 --> 00:02:47.916 Matt: want them the sweaty masses. 00:02:47.921 --> 00:02:48.316 Yeah. 00:02:48.696 --> 00:02:49.746 Alison: No new friends. 00:02:50.256 --> 00:02:53.316 was excellent, excellent explanation of coding. 00:02:53.826 --> 00:02:54.246 Um, 00:02:54.246 --> 00:02:59.882 Matt: And I do promise everybody, like, it's I get really, um, maybe overly 00:02:59.882 --> 00:03:03.185 sensitive about this, but I really do want everyone to know that I'm 00:03:03.185 --> 00:03:06.815 not trying to see, ADD in everything. 00:03:07.355 --> 00:03:08.645 It really is specific. 00:03:08.675 --> 00:03:09.215 It's a thing. 00:03:09.335 --> 00:03:13.685 And I think, I think that, uh, in some ways it, it also helps, like 00:03:13.685 --> 00:03:17.705 if it, if it's something that you live with and you see someone on 00:03:17.705 --> 00:03:19.535 screen that you can really relate to. 00:03:19.905 --> 00:03:24.705 So today's example, today's TV choice that we're gonna go with, that we're 00:03:24.705 --> 00:03:27.578 gonna discuss for fun, began in 1997. 00:03:28.028 --> 00:03:32.378 And I can tell you from experience in 1997, people didn't really talk 00:03:32.378 --> 00:03:34.988 about ADD as much as they do now. 00:03:35.338 --> 00:03:38.823 Maybe a little bit more than they did when I was in high school, but, we're entering 00:03:38.823 --> 00:03:41.043 the world of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 00:03:41.246 --> 00:03:41.736 Alison: Yeah. 00:03:42.030 --> 00:03:44.180 Matt: on today's ADHd20. 00:03:44.271 --> 00:03:48.690 I have seen all of Buffy and, and, and Alison recently has 00:03:48.930 --> 00:03:50.190 we figured why not start there? 00:03:50.370 --> 00:03:51.870 And people love it and it's fun. 00:03:51.930 --> 00:03:54.330 And, and Anna's already got the guitar riff 00:03:55.185 --> 00:03:55.755 Alison: Yep. 00:03:58.755 --> 00:04:02.875 Um, I watched Buffy because of one Matthew Bivins. 00:04:03.255 --> 00:04:05.055 It, it was you and Genna Cohen. 00:04:05.115 --> 00:04:06.915 The year was 2019. 00:04:07.365 --> 00:04:10.515 We were living on a tour bus and had nothing else to do. 00:04:10.725 --> 00:04:13.005 So we said let's watch Buffy. 00:04:13.725 --> 00:04:14.385 Uh, 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.020 Matt: It was, it was tough for you. 00:04:16.020 --> 00:04:16.950 It's a tough sell. 00:04:17.302 --> 00:04:20.212 Alison: It was tough sell because I was afraid that it would scare me. 00:04:20.212 --> 00:04:23.632 And then we watched the first episode and I, I laughed a lot. 00:04:23.692 --> 00:04:25.432 So then I knew it was gonna be okay. 00:04:25.432 --> 00:04:28.072 There really was only one episode that stood out in my brain as 00:04:28.072 --> 00:04:30.592 scary, which was Hush, of course. 00:04:30.967 --> 00:04:32.107 Matt: That is terrifying. 00:04:33.037 --> 00:04:33.487 There's a few. 00:04:33.487 --> 00:04:35.647 I'm not, I'm not saying it's not scary completely, but. 00:04:36.312 --> 00:04:39.792 Alison: There were parts of my Buffy watching as an adult that 00:04:39.792 --> 00:04:41.922 were massively entertaining. 00:04:41.922 --> 00:04:42.732 Wonderful. 00:04:43.062 --> 00:04:45.792 And there were parts that were, Hmm. 00:04:46.662 --> 00:04:48.282 Really didn't like seasons 4 through 6. 00:04:48.302 --> 00:04:48.972 Matt: Painful. 00:04:49.182 --> 00:04:50.292 I know we did warn you. 00:04:50.322 --> 00:04:51.012 We warned you. 00:04:51.222 --> 00:04:54.192 It is not, it is not the most consistent show. 00:04:54.197 --> 00:04:59.682 However, I still hold that there are episodes in this TV program, 00:04:59.682 --> 00:05:03.042 especially for its age, you know, I think they were groundbreaking. 00:05:03.102 --> 00:05:04.062 Absolutely. 00:05:04.812 --> 00:05:10.499 Just completely groundbreaking, examples of television that probably then 00:05:11.219 --> 00:05:18.846 influenced television of all genres, horror, non-horror, romance, teen, comedy. 00:05:19.434 --> 00:05:21.414 Alison: Well, you know what we have to do first, Matt, 00:05:21.549 --> 00:05:22.389 Matt: Yes we do. 00:05:23.454 --> 00:05:28.044 Alison: Before, before we get into the real topic at hand, we've 00:05:28.044 --> 00:05:29.394 gotta, we gotta roll some dice. 00:05:29.444 --> 00:05:34.244 Do you wanna do a D 20 roll off to find out which one of us is gonna ask first? 00:05:34.304 --> 00:05:35.804 Matt: Oh, just keep rolling. 00:05:35.804 --> 00:05:36.314 Rolling. 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:36.704 Rolling. 00:05:36.704 --> 00:05:37.224 Rolling. 00:05:37.514 --> 00:05:38.114 Alison: I wanna roll 00:05:38.224 --> 00:05:38.744 Matt: Rolling. 00:05:38.744 --> 00:05:39.264 Rolling. 00:05:39.264 --> 00:05:39.784 Rolling. 00:05:40.154 --> 00:05:41.804 Alison: You're probably gonna be going first. 00:05:42.464 --> 00:05:43.784 Matt: Yeah, I got a 16 00:05:44.068 --> 00:05:44.878 Alison: I got three. 00:05:45.298 --> 00:05:45.958 So. 00:05:46.138 --> 00:05:46.288 Matt: dang. 00:05:46.963 --> 00:05:49.273 Alison: Mattie B what'd you roll on your beautiful, 00:05:49.528 --> 00:05:49.648 Matt: All 00:05:49.783 --> 00:05:50.593 Alison: your D 100 00:05:51.018 --> 00:05:55.198 Matt: I rolled dun dun dun number nine. 00:05:55.858 --> 00:05:56.188 Number 00:05:56.203 --> 00:05:57.613 Alison: Number nine. 00:05:57.898 --> 00:05:58.048 Matt: Nine. 00:05:58.603 --> 00:06:00.613 Alison: This is, this is fitting in perfect. 00:06:00.613 --> 00:06:05.443 Do any of your D&D characters and I'll let you as the DM choose any of the 00:06:05.443 --> 00:06:08.623 NPCs that you pilot as well have ADHD. 00:06:08.683 --> 00:06:09.253 And why? 00:06:09.814 --> 00:06:10.304 Matt: What? 00:06:11.068 --> 00:06:11.418 Oh, 00:06:12.338 --> 00:06:14.408 Alison: Hit 'em with a stump-town right out of the 00:06:14.453 --> 00:06:20.671 Matt: Mm-hmm I'm going to say, that I didn't, I haven't thought about 00:06:20.671 --> 00:06:27.838 this, but it's very possible that my character, um, that is a fairy. 00:06:28.498 --> 00:06:32.518 She lives in the land of Fey and sometimes pops out. 00:06:32.768 --> 00:06:34.208 she's very studious. 00:06:34.710 --> 00:06:39.237 Her name is Rosie but here's the thing is that she really loves magic. 00:06:39.237 --> 00:06:43.107 She loves studying magic and that's never, that is never been something 00:06:43.107 --> 00:06:44.967 that she's, she's had a problem doing. 00:06:45.027 --> 00:06:48.867 Like it's a endlessly interesting thing to her. 00:06:48.867 --> 00:06:52.227 And that's one thing to remember, you know, ADHD is not about 00:06:52.232 --> 00:06:54.057 just, I can't do things ever. 00:06:54.477 --> 00:06:58.617 Some things you do extremely well, if you love them and you want to do them. 00:06:58.827 --> 00:07:05.337 And I think for Rosie, Um, she's lucked out because magic and exploring the world 00:07:05.342 --> 00:07:08.996 and, learning about other people has been something that she's really loved. 00:07:08.996 --> 00:07:13.406 But I would guess that if, when she has to do stuff that she doesn't want to do, like 00:07:13.526 --> 00:07:22.128 clean her room or , or, you know, study science and mathematics, just guessing. 00:07:22.188 --> 00:07:22.338 Yeah. 00:07:22.668 --> 00:07:23.688 She's probably not that great. 00:07:23.693 --> 00:07:26.088 I would say Rosie, that's my, that's my vote. 00:07:27.243 --> 00:07:30.063 Alison: That tracks, that absolutely tracks. 00:07:30.068 --> 00:07:30.633 She's also a 00:07:30.808 --> 00:07:31.368 Matt: Rosie. 00:07:31.878 --> 00:07:32.418 Yes. 00:07:32.703 --> 00:07:34.533 Alison: with that's usual, 00:07:35.288 --> 00:07:35.848 Matt: Rosie. 00:07:36.288 --> 00:07:43.578 I would say Rosie is in some ways, at this point in my very small player 00:07:43.578 --> 00:07:49.342 character world is probably, uh, probably the player that's the most like me. 00:07:50.062 --> 00:07:54.932 She's a lot more millennial, a lot more millennial than but I. 00:07:56.032 --> 00:08:00.262 I think there's a lot in Rosie that, that I, that I kin too. 00:08:01.447 --> 00:08:01.537 Alison: I 00:08:02.062 --> 00:08:02.242 Matt: Yeah. 00:08:02.662 --> 00:08:03.352 So that's mine. 00:08:03.412 --> 00:08:05.022 How about, do you, what'd you roll? 00:08:05.757 --> 00:08:06.037 Alison: Excellent. 00:08:06.042 --> 00:08:08.077 I rolled a 16, please. 00:08:08.107 --> 00:08:09.217 No, that's a lie. 00:08:09.217 --> 00:08:10.027 You rolled a 16. 00:08:10.027 --> 00:08:11.617 I rolled a 46 just. 00:08:12.922 --> 00:08:14.752 Had that had that six, 00:08:15.112 --> 00:08:16.192 Matt: Ooh, interesting. 00:08:16.522 --> 00:08:17.422 Gosh, this is great. 00:08:17.752 --> 00:08:21.682 This is a, this is a table that was a little bit crowdsourced. 00:08:21.952 --> 00:08:24.052 Uh, and also a lot of it came out of your brain. 00:08:24.057 --> 00:08:24.802 This is really nice. 00:08:24.807 --> 00:08:26.062 I, I really like these. 00:08:26.482 --> 00:08:28.612 Today's question for you, Alison. 00:08:28.632 --> 00:08:30.249 What, what is your phone's lock screen? 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:35.589 Alison: Uh, my phone's lock screen changes every single day because I have ADHD. 00:08:35.589 --> 00:08:38.889 And I don't like to look at the same thing for too long. 00:08:39.369 --> 00:08:45.319 Um, so because I am friends with you, I, you know, learn all about automations. 00:08:45.319 --> 00:08:49.809 And so I, uh, am a big fan of an artist named Morgan Harper Nichols. 00:08:50.239 --> 00:08:52.579 Uh, and she has a very, very beautiful app. 00:08:52.579 --> 00:08:57.349 If you do not follow her on social media, you should cuz she does these watercolors 00:08:57.354 --> 00:09:01.909 with just these very inspirational thoughts, quips, quotes, and otherwise. 00:09:01.909 --> 00:09:03.914 So every single day I get like a daily message. 00:09:04.304 --> 00:09:07.580 Um, and so all those I like, I save to a special little folder and then I 00:09:07.580 --> 00:09:08.960 have the folder tied to an automation. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.370 That at sunrise, every morning, changes my lock screen to something new. 00:09:13.430 --> 00:09:15.470 And then I get to wake up and feel empowered. 00:09:15.530 --> 00:09:17.060 Um, and that's like my message for the day. 00:09:17.060 --> 00:09:19.970 And today says not in a hurry. 00:09:20.570 --> 00:09:20.650 Matt: Uh, 00:09:20.650 --> 00:09:25.220 Alison: I am taking my time and blooming at my own pace. 00:09:25.355 --> 00:09:26.285 Matt: That's great. 00:09:26.735 --> 00:09:29.855 Alison: A little, a little peak inside of my brain for you. 00:09:30.185 --> 00:09:30.845 Matt: Bang, bang. 00:09:31.905 --> 00:09:33.855 Alison: Well, now that, that that's out of the way. 00:09:34.065 --> 00:09:38.565 So for this episode today, Matt and I did something that I'm, I 00:09:38.565 --> 00:09:41.775 know I'm no fan of, I'm just gonna guess you probably aren't either. 00:09:42.405 --> 00:09:43.815 We gave ourselves homework. 00:09:44.760 --> 00:09:47.760 Matt: I don't usually like homework, but this wasn't too hard to do. 00:09:48.005 --> 00:09:48.495 Alison: Yeah. 00:09:48.765 --> 00:09:52.665 Our homework was like pick a few episodes of Buffy and just get 00:09:52.665 --> 00:09:54.675 reacquainted with some mannerisms. 00:09:55.035 --> 00:09:59.175 Uh, some of our favorite characters in planning this episode, we both 00:09:59.235 --> 00:10:04.305 very quickly, very readily agreed on one character that we know has ADHD. 00:10:04.755 --> 00:10:07.485 Um, and we were just gonna kind of go and look for some specific 00:10:07.490 --> 00:10:12.705 examples and then see kind of who else tickled our ADHD fan fancy. 00:10:13.035 --> 00:10:13.185 That 00:10:13.435 --> 00:10:19.095 Matt: Mm-hmm I dipped, I dipped a little bit into other neuro divergent, um, 00:10:19.425 --> 00:10:20.145 Alison: Oh, 00:10:20.385 --> 00:10:23.115 Matt: uh, brains types as well. 00:10:24.105 --> 00:10:29.745 Alison: I noticed, I noticed where I noticed it, but I like kept just telling 00:10:29.745 --> 00:10:33.375 myself, like, don't go down those rabbit holes, cuz then suddenly you're 00:10:33.375 --> 00:10:35.895 gonna not come with the assignment. 00:10:35.895 --> 00:10:39.675 And you're gonna have like decided who is on the autism spectrum and 00:10:39.675 --> 00:10:43.215 who is suffering some kind of PTSD or narcissism disorder or otherwise. 00:10:43.225 --> 00:10:45.475 But I do have thoughts naturally surprise. 00:10:45.685 --> 00:10:46.105 Matt: Yay. 00:10:47.005 --> 00:10:47.425 Um, 00:10:47.455 --> 00:10:51.415 Alison: Um, So what, in, in prepping for this, can I ask 00:10:51.415 --> 00:10:53.425 you what episodes you watched? 00:10:53.965 --> 00:10:54.715 Matt: Yes. 00:10:55.015 --> 00:11:00.655 Uh, so we did give each other this homework just a couple of days ago, 00:11:01.045 --> 00:11:03.175 so, um, I didn't have a ton of time. 00:11:04.180 --> 00:11:09.520 But what I wanted to do is I know that the characters evolved over 00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:15.970 the years and also we're talking about six seasons—or it seven? 00:11:16.330 --> 00:11:17.890 Seven seasons. 00:11:18.130 --> 00:11:22.840 And so, you know, we're, you know, that's a lot and I know that actors 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.940 change ideas and so on and so forth. 00:11:24.940 --> 00:11:28.990 But I wanted to say like from the minute that you meet these 00:11:28.990 --> 00:11:31.346 characters, were my theories correct? 00:11:31.646 --> 00:11:34.766 And they were, I think, I think instantly they were correct. 00:11:34.796 --> 00:11:39.806 So I went with episode number one, season one, first out of the gate. 00:11:40.166 --> 00:11:40.376 Yeah. 00:11:40.407 --> 00:11:43.402 Which is not, you know, the first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 00:11:43.432 --> 00:11:46.642 for those of you who haven't watched it, isn't the best one. 00:11:47.887 --> 00:11:49.897 Alison: It's cinematic brilliance. 00:11:49.897 --> 00:11:51.037 What are you talking about? 00:11:51.712 --> 00:11:53.092 Matt: It's not, it's difficult. 00:11:53.242 --> 00:11:56.678 Uh, you know, there's many people who say, oh, you can just start at season two. 00:11:56.708 --> 00:11:57.368 You'd be okay. 00:11:57.373 --> 00:11:58.208 But I don't know. 00:11:58.208 --> 00:12:04.677 There's like, there's just a delightful awkwardness to the first, you know, 00:12:04.737 --> 00:12:09.747 30, 40 minutes of Buffy number one that is like, you know, you meet 00:12:09.747 --> 00:12:11.157 these characters for the first time. 00:12:11.157 --> 00:12:12.805 And they are just, BOING! 00:12:12.855 --> 00:12:19.261 Like just cliche, like instantly, you know, which is Joss Whedon's schtick. 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:22.280 And then that's the beauty of what he does is like, he'll, he'll 00:12:22.280 --> 00:12:26.060 paint a picture and then he'll say, but these people have, you know, 00:12:26.195 --> 00:12:26.805 Alison: Mm-hmm 00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:29.960 Matt: More, uh, more varied colors. 00:12:30.350 --> 00:12:36.177 So I watched number one and then, kind of went down a thread of other characters, 00:12:36.177 --> 00:12:39.777 cuz there was one character that I thought, well, maybe, maybe she does. 00:12:39.777 --> 00:12:44.760 And it, this is sort of the other neuro divergent idea that I had, which I think 00:12:44.765 --> 00:12:46.050 would be interesting to talk about too. 00:12:46.050 --> 00:12:49.920 I mean, look, we're already deviating from D&D we might as well, you know, 00:12:49.925 --> 00:12:52.650 take a step out of ADHD as well. 00:12:52.920 --> 00:12:57.247 And I dipped into a scene or two of The Body, which I think still 00:12:57.252 --> 00:13:00.157 is my favorite episode of Buffy. 00:13:00.697 --> 00:13:04.897 Um, that's always one that I, when I'm talking about groundbreaking 00:13:04.902 --> 00:13:09.217 TV, just to me, that's just one of the, so anyway, those are my two, 00:13:09.277 --> 00:13:11.017 but we can go, go into them more. 00:13:11.390 --> 00:13:11.880 How about you? 00:13:11.880 --> 00:13:15.350 Alison: I started with episode one just for a little bit, just cause 00:13:15.350 --> 00:13:19.850 I do love kind of the assembling of the Scoobs and otherwise and 00:13:19.850 --> 00:13:20.840 meeting Giles for the first time. 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:21.530 Of course. 00:13:21.580 --> 00:13:24.910 So I watched, um, some of my personal favorite episodes from 00:13:24.910 --> 00:13:28.510 season one and two, which were The Pack, The Puppet and Halloween. 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:30.010 Um, 00:13:30.740 --> 00:13:31.230 Matt: Dang. 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:32.590 Strong. 00:13:33.060 --> 00:13:33.550 Okay. 00:13:33.895 --> 00:13:38.215 Alison: I specifically watched The Pack and Halloween, cuz I feel 00:13:38.215 --> 00:13:41.365 like those are very strong Xander performances and I knew that we 00:13:41.365 --> 00:13:42.845 were gonna talk about Xander a lot. 00:13:42.915 --> 00:13:43.185 Matt: Yeah. 00:13:43.185 --> 00:13:44.275 Alison: With this. 00:13:44.965 --> 00:13:46.155 Matt: Spoiler alert. 00:13:46.180 --> 00:13:47.800 It's gonna be about Xander, everybody. 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:48.280 Come on, 00:13:49.450 --> 00:13:49.880 Alison: Da-dah! 00:13:50.140 --> 00:13:52.870 Matt: But yeah, it's, it's so interesting. 00:13:52.900 --> 00:13:56.610 I'll start off by saying, I don't, I don't know if there's an episode where they 00:13:56.610 --> 00:13:59.850 even mention ADHD or anything like it. 00:13:59.900 --> 00:14:02.035 Alison: Those weren't part of the vernacular of 00:14:02.035 --> 00:14:03.425 Matt: It just really wasn't 00:14:03.465 --> 00:14:04.265 Alison: Early aughts.. 00:14:04.280 --> 00:14:05.630 It wasn't the thing we were talking about. 00:14:05.815 --> 00:14:06.305 Matt: Yeah. 00:14:06.325 --> 00:14:09.305 And, and I think as people that are older. 00:14:09.663 --> 00:14:12.633 And, and we remember a time where that wasn't really part of any kind 00:14:12.633 --> 00:14:15.573 of, you know, really most disability. 00:14:15.843 --> 00:14:18.243 I mean, geez, watch Glee. 00:14:18.333 --> 00:14:24.213 And that was 2010 and just prepare to sob because it is so depressing 00:14:24.213 --> 00:14:25.953 how they treat a kid in a wheelchair. 00:14:26.133 --> 00:14:26.553 Anyway. 00:14:26.953 --> 00:14:31.139 But yeah, you didn't, you didn't bandy about words like autism or 00:14:31.229 --> 00:14:33.449 Asperger's or ADD you were just kind of. 00:14:34.004 --> 00:14:39.254 Those people are weird or those people are wacky or those people talk too much, or 00:14:39.254 --> 00:14:41.834 those people hurt themselves or whatever. 00:14:41.834 --> 00:14:44.894 And, and that's also interesting, right? 00:14:44.944 --> 00:14:47.325 In other words, what I'm saying is I know that the directors and 00:14:47.325 --> 00:14:51.964 actors probably did not bring any of this into a show of that age. 00:14:51.964 --> 00:14:52.174 Right. 00:14:52.174 --> 00:14:52.954 1997. 00:14:52.954 --> 00:14:54.334 I know that they probably did not. 00:14:54.484 --> 00:14:59.074 However, it's funny how I am drawn to the characters, that have the 00:14:59.079 --> 00:15:02.344 most have traits that are, that are most like mine too, which is fun. 00:15:02.344 --> 00:15:05.164 Like I understood, I understood Xander. 00:15:05.244 --> 00:15:06.744 Even watching it for the first time. 00:15:06.744 --> 00:15:08.304 And so I think that's really fun. 00:15:08.844 --> 00:15:12.444 Alison: I, yeah, I definitely watching it was immediately drawn to Xander. 00:15:13.014 --> 00:15:16.974 And I think you can go one of two ways and you hit on this a few weeks ago 00:15:16.974 --> 00:15:21.264 when we were talking about Friends as the reason that you don't really 00:15:21.264 --> 00:15:27.684 care for Ross is because reminds you of maybe some of your less than 00:15:27.744 --> 00:15:29.034 Matt: The less interesting parts of me. 00:15:29.034 --> 00:15:29.364 Yeah. 00:15:29.454 --> 00:15:29.544 Mm-hmm. 00:15:30.054 --> 00:15:32.999 Alison: And, and I, I know that too, when I, when I meet somebody who 00:15:32.999 --> 00:15:38.244 is too similar to me, especially the not great sides of myself. 00:15:38.244 --> 00:15:39.774 I tend to not like that person at all. 00:15:39.804 --> 00:15:40.614 They annoy me. 00:15:40.674 --> 00:15:45.204 And I'm unconsciously, subconsciously or otherwise, part of the problem 00:15:45.204 --> 00:15:49.524 is that I know like those are my toxic traits just out on display. 00:15:49.614 --> 00:15:50.604 And I don't dig that. 00:15:51.114 --> 00:15:54.954 So interestingly enough, and you're either gonna love or hate this. 00:15:55.554 --> 00:15:59.304 Um, one of the characters that I would like to bring forward for discussion 00:15:59.814 --> 00:16:02.394 is your girl and not mine, Cordelia. 00:16:03.134 --> 00:16:05.314 Matt: Ooh, let's do it. 00:16:05.314 --> 00:16:08.494 Alison: And so, so just everybody knows my journey with Buffy. 00:16:08.499 --> 00:16:11.284 I, I did not like Cordelia out of the gate and I. 00:16:12.319 --> 00:16:13.759 I tried with Angel, you guys. 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.649 I really, really did, but I couldn't do it. 00:16:15.739 --> 00:16:19.999 And so everybody's like, oh, Cordie's redemption arc comes in Angel. 00:16:19.999 --> 00:16:22.219 If you could watch that, you might feel differently. 00:16:22.459 --> 00:16:26.989 I'm not going to, so I don't, I just hate Cordy, uh, much 00:16:26.989 --> 00:16:29.569 to Matt and Fitz's chagrin. 00:16:29.629 --> 00:16:31.009 No, it's a big it's. 00:16:31.009 --> 00:16:31.819 It's a no for me. 00:16:31.819 --> 00:16:34.459 So I'm watching it through that lens of, I don't like Cordy. 00:16:34.459 --> 00:16:38.779 And then like suddenly I heard your voice talking about Ross, like are 00:16:38.779 --> 00:16:43.673 the reasons I don't like Cordelia things that are too similar to me. 00:16:43.678 --> 00:16:48.473 And then I thought about one of my potentially most toxic traits when 00:16:48.473 --> 00:16:54.173 it comes to my own ADHD or general personality, where does one end, 00:16:54.173 --> 00:16:56.303 and the other begin is masking. 00:16:56.693 --> 00:17:01.433 And that's something that has become kind of a hot term like coding and 00:17:01.433 --> 00:17:03.053 otherwise, when we talk about all 00:17:03.053 --> 00:17:04.193 Matt: Tell me about masking. 00:17:05.423 --> 00:17:10.133 Alison: Uh, your ability or inability to cover up, what's really going 00:17:10.133 --> 00:17:12.263 on by playing a certain part. 00:17:12.713 --> 00:17:17.393 Um, and so a lot of people might not actually know what's going on with you. 00:17:17.736 --> 00:17:19.716 And I'm sure that there's a far better, far more scientific 00:17:19.986 --> 00:17:21.606 explanation of it than that. 00:17:21.994 --> 00:17:25.701 But oftentimes it's not conscious, it's not somebody wakes up and says, 00:17:25.701 --> 00:17:28.941 I'm going to play a jester today. 00:17:28.941 --> 00:17:33.181 You know, they, they just get so good at just pushing 00:17:33.181 --> 00:17:33.251 I 00:17:33.301 --> 00:17:34.106 Matt: wish they would though. 00:17:34.851 --> 00:17:35.451 Alison: Wouldn't that be 00:17:35.576 --> 00:17:36.186 Matt: Mm-hmm 00:17:36.501 --> 00:17:37.231 Alison: Shall be a bard. 00:17:37.971 --> 00:17:46.371 Um, uh, Fitz has reminded me, I did name one of my D&D weapons Cordelia 00:17:46.431 --> 00:17:47.751 take from that what you will. 00:17:47.751 --> 00:17:51.771 See this also ties back into D&D we will never get fully away from it. 00:17:52.491 --> 00:17:53.181 Um, 00:17:53.376 --> 00:17:53.856 Matt: not sorry. 00:17:54.261 --> 00:17:57.711 Alison: But I see, I, I realize now because, and so you often think of 00:17:57.711 --> 00:18:01.281 the ones that are perceived as the very strong types who are really 00:18:01.281 --> 00:18:05.781 some kind of broken inside as the ones who are experts at masking. 00:18:06.411 --> 00:18:10.851 Um, and so they tend to have this certain presence about them. 00:18:10.856 --> 00:18:13.911 And then, you know, the ones who really get to know them know that that's not 00:18:13.911 --> 00:18:17.781 the true Cordy, Alison or otherwise. 00:18:18.391 --> 00:18:18.931 Matt: Love 00:18:19.731 --> 00:18:23.211 Alison: You have, have you have caught me masking in the past. 00:18:23.241 --> 00:18:25.881 Um, and we have talked about that. 00:18:26.391 --> 00:18:32.490 And so I wrote in, in big, like in my notes, IS THAT WHY I DON'T LIKE CORDELIA? 00:18:32.780 --> 00:18:33.130 Matt: Oh, 00:18:33.450 --> 00:18:36.210 Alison: Or is it that she's actually the worst, like, is, 00:18:36.215 --> 00:18:37.440 is that my problem with her? 00:18:38.550 --> 00:18:39.240 Um, 00:18:39.450 --> 00:18:39.990 Matt: Drama. 00:18:39.990 --> 00:18:43.740 Alison: and where I'm picking up on the potential for ADHD is at the beginning 00:18:43.745 --> 00:18:48.939 of The Puppet Show, we, the episode opens with the auditions for the talent show 00:18:48.939 --> 00:18:51.399 that Giles has been roped into producing. 00:18:52.089 --> 00:18:56.529 And, uh, Cordy is trying to audition with Whitney Houston's The Greatest Love of 00:18:56.529 --> 00:18:58.569 All, and she's doing a piss poor job. 00:18:58.569 --> 00:19:02.889 And I'm wondering if maybe her ADHD kept her from practicing or getting to 00:19:02.889 --> 00:19:06.159 her voice lessons or things like that. 00:19:06.819 --> 00:19:12.579 And also, she kind of then has this very snide, you know, reaction to, 00:19:12.639 --> 00:19:16.396 um, the way she's treated about like, okay, that that's enough enough, which 00:19:16.396 --> 00:19:19.996 makes me think of myself when, if I'm not immediately good at something, 00:19:20.056 --> 00:19:22.096 I get really hateful about it. 00:19:22.741 --> 00:19:23.761 Matt: You do. 00:19:23.866 --> 00:19:24.216 Alison: So. 00:19:27.631 --> 00:19:28.381 Matt: Interesting. 00:19:28.441 --> 00:19:28.801 Okay. 00:19:28.801 --> 00:19:30.121 Where do we, where do we want to start? 00:19:30.121 --> 00:19:32.011 Do we wanna go in some kind of order? 00:19:32.401 --> 00:19:33.691 What if we started the first episode? 00:19:33.901 --> 00:19:38.014 What if we just start like, um, Buffy number one. 00:19:38.689 --> 00:19:39.589 We meet Buffy. 00:19:39.589 --> 00:19:43.539 She, she has moved from LA because you don't really have to have 00:19:43.539 --> 00:19:47.199 seen the movie, but it follows events that happened in the movie. 00:19:47.199 --> 00:19:50.619 Basically Buffy burned down her school kind of thing accidentally. 00:19:51.069 --> 00:19:55.839 Well, whoops, because she is a Slayer and she's The Chosen One and she, 00:19:56.009 --> 00:20:00.659 but she's moved in this new place, Sunnydale and, wants a whole new life. 00:20:00.679 --> 00:20:04.819 Does not want to be a Slayer, does not want to vanquish vampires just 00:20:04.824 --> 00:20:08.489 wants to be a normal high school teen. 00:20:08.992 --> 00:20:11.992 Which of course in the first episode immediately, it's impossible. 00:20:12.112 --> 00:20:12.592 There's no way. 00:20:12.742 --> 00:20:15.622 She is The Chosen One that she cannot shirk her duties. 00:20:15.802 --> 00:20:19.132 And she tries many, many, many times in the first season. 00:20:19.852 --> 00:20:21.562 It's basically just like, I quit. 00:20:21.562 --> 00:20:21.922 I quit. 00:20:21.922 --> 00:20:22.252 I quit. 00:20:22.252 --> 00:20:22.522 I quit. 00:20:22.572 --> 00:20:27.096 So anyway, we meet the main character and , she goes to school and she's dreading it a 00:20:27.101 --> 00:20:31.116 little bit understandably she's, you know, she's had some tough times at schools. 00:20:31.416 --> 00:20:38.333 So she goes in and, and she's like a cute blonde girl from the late 00:20:38.333 --> 00:20:44.123 nineties, which means, you know, she makeup and blonde hair and mini skirt 00:20:44.153 --> 00:20:46.953 and, you know, cheerleader-y right. 00:20:47.103 --> 00:20:51.423 And so there's like all of this, like record scratching of, uh, you know, 00:20:51.513 --> 00:20:55.330 boys that are like, who's the new girl, you know, all of this stuff. 00:20:55.330 --> 00:20:59.030 Where is her social standing gonna, you know, spin out, 00:20:59.200 --> 00:20:59.470 right? 00:20:59.470 --> 00:21:02.905 Alison: That's the first thing that happens is that Cordy schools her on who 00:21:02.905 --> 00:21:07.825 is, who is acceptable to talk to, cuz Cordy is trying to figure out like, does 00:21:07.825 --> 00:21:09.325 she want to be friends with a new girl? 00:21:09.325 --> 00:21:13.015 And if she does, she's gotta make sure that she doesn't go for the Willows. 00:21:13.090 --> 00:21:13.510 Matt: Yes. 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:14.800 Right, right. 00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:19.810 But, and before that though, it's like really, truly in the first five minutes 00:21:20.050 --> 00:21:23.320 we meet Xander and, and he is this dufus. 00:21:23.325 --> 00:21:27.010 I mean, he is a dufus, like he's a, he's a handsome kid. 00:21:27.070 --> 00:21:31.570 But he's on a skateboard and he's not aware of his surroundings. 00:21:31.963 --> 00:21:36.193 He thinks it's okay to skateboard through like an enormous crowd full of people. 00:21:36.463 --> 00:21:40.093 And so in the first few minutes that we meet him he's like 00:21:40.286 --> 00:21:41.816 trying to get through this crowd. 00:21:42.056 --> 00:21:44.826 He sees Buffy, he's like WOOGAH WOOGAH! 00:21:45.031 --> 00:21:50.846 And he slams into stairs and he like knocks himself down. 00:21:51.096 --> 00:21:53.166 There's like a lack of awareness there. 00:21:53.256 --> 00:21:55.986 That's very, you know, clumsy as hell. 00:21:56.136 --> 00:21:58.416 So he gets up, he recovers from that and he's just kind 00:21:58.416 --> 00:22:01.746 of like just, just focused on. 00:22:01.926 --> 00:22:06.936 And then, then you meet Willow a good friend of his and their conversation 00:22:06.936 --> 00:22:12.893 in, in this first few minutes is, Hey, Willow, can, can we meet this afternoon? 00:22:12.893 --> 00:22:16.553 Can you help me with, you know, I'm having problems with the math. 00:22:17.078 --> 00:22:17.528 Right. 00:22:17.558 --> 00:22:20.858 And she says, what part of the math he's like the math, right? 00:22:21.428 --> 00:22:24.998 Because he can't focus on math cuz he can't, he can't do it. 00:22:24.998 --> 00:22:25.838 Cuz he's too busy. 00:22:25.838 --> 00:22:26.318 I don't know. 00:22:26.438 --> 00:22:27.578 His favorite thing is skating. 00:22:27.578 --> 00:22:29.048 I don't know what his favorite thing is yet. 00:22:29.048 --> 00:22:33.428 We don't know that yet, but he's, he's like just a goof. 00:22:33.458 --> 00:22:36.098 He runs into Buffy literally. 00:22:36.381 --> 00:22:39.951 She drops something and he kind of turns around and he tries to help, 00:22:40.001 --> 00:22:44.861 her pick things up and he can't speak and he can't finish his sentences 00:22:44.861 --> 00:22:46.181 and he says the wrong things. 00:22:46.181 --> 00:22:52.994 And I know that they're playing it as, as this guy has a crush on this 00:22:52.994 --> 00:22:55.154 girl instantly, like he's nervous. 00:22:55.184 --> 00:22:55.664 I get it. 00:22:56.654 --> 00:22:57.494 And that is. 00:22:58.109 --> 00:23:01.619 That is true, but there's so many different versions of that, But his 00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:06.211 specifically was all these ADD things, all these things that like, when you 00:23:06.216 --> 00:23:10.201 are in this heightened state, your brain just starts boiling and you just, 00:23:11.106 --> 00:23:11.526 Alison: You 00:23:11.766 --> 00:23:12.766 Matt: can't, Out. 00:23:12.766 --> 00:23:14.491 You can't speak, you can't do it. 00:23:14.761 --> 00:23:20.065 Um, his friend, Jesse actually calls him a bibbling idiot, but he's also 00:23:20.070 --> 00:23:24.565 at the same time he's got this, like, he's got this ease and this charm 00:23:24.570 --> 00:23:26.305 he's got this, he's really charming. 00:23:26.345 --> 00:23:30.481 And when he can kind of calm down, he's really very funny, you know? 00:23:30.811 --> 00:23:33.661 So he is got all these different pieces going on at the same time. 00:23:33.661 --> 00:23:34.051 And I just... 00:23:34.051 --> 00:23:36.971 you know, I was like, Xander man, Xander's the guy. 00:23:37.311 --> 00:23:38.166 Alison: Xander's the guy. 00:23:38.586 --> 00:23:42.006 My first note on him is non specifically Xander often has a hard time expressing 00:23:42.006 --> 00:23:43.416 himself or saying what he means. 00:23:43.416 --> 00:23:45.966 It's like the words in his head don't sync with what he's actually trying to say. 00:23:46.071 --> 00:23:46.341 Matt: Yep. 00:23:47.301 --> 00:23:47.391 Mm-hmm 00:23:48.096 --> 00:23:51.191 Alison: I would call him affable at best and a bibbling idiot. 00:23:52.041 --> 00:23:52.971 More normally. 00:23:53.481 --> 00:23:59.931 In The Pack um, there is a joke made about, uh, Xander is habitually late. 00:24:00.081 --> 00:24:00.501 Matt: Mmm. 00:24:01.521 --> 00:24:03.651 Alison: It's an expectation that they have. 00:24:04.221 --> 00:24:07.161 Um, let's see, what else. 00:24:07.341 --> 00:24:09.381 He's the most susceptible to mixing things up. 00:24:09.381 --> 00:24:11.361 He's constantly trying to find his place. 00:24:11.361 --> 00:24:14.991 So we're, we see him get into all of these hijinks, especially in the first 00:24:14.991 --> 00:24:20.747 two seasons, cuz he's just so desperately looking where am I gonna fit in? 00:24:20.747 --> 00:24:22.727 What am I gonna do where don't I stand out? 00:24:23.297 --> 00:24:27.977 Um, which I think can sometimes be a very ADHD trait of like, this is the thing. 00:24:28.127 --> 00:24:29.297 Maybe this goes back to masking. 00:24:29.297 --> 00:24:32.627 Like I don't want this to be the thing about me that I don't wanna be an idiot. 00:24:32.807 --> 00:24:35.717 I don't want people to know me as the person who talks 00:24:35.717 --> 00:24:36.887 faster than they can think. 00:24:37.241 --> 00:24:40.631 And so as a result, you're trying to find some other label. 00:24:40.636 --> 00:24:45.216 So you're literally trying on other tropes, archetypes whatever. 00:24:45.216 --> 00:24:45.306 Matt: Uh huh. 00:24:45.791 --> 00:24:46.901 Alison: Um, to get to that. 00:24:46.984 --> 00:24:49.144 And I even wrote this resonates with me as someone who spent a 00:24:49.144 --> 00:24:50.674 lot of time masking to fit in. 00:24:50.794 --> 00:24:53.854 I noted that the Scoobs have to stay on his case to get stuff done. 00:24:53.854 --> 00:24:56.014 He's the one that they're constantly having to circle back to. 00:24:56.014 --> 00:24:57.964 And are you gonna be here at this time? 00:24:57.964 --> 00:24:58.714 Are you gonna do this? 00:24:58.714 --> 00:24:59.374 Are you sure? 00:24:59.374 --> 00:25:02.614 Can you, you know, everybody else tends to kind of get their marching 00:25:02.614 --> 00:25:04.234 orders and, and go off to do them. 00:25:04.234 --> 00:25:08.314 And it's always, Xander is the one we think is gonna fuck up. 00:25:08.419 --> 00:25:08.839 Matt: Yes. 00:25:09.404 --> 00:25:10.014 Alison: Always. 00:25:10.189 --> 00:25:10.639 Matt: I know. 00:25:11.209 --> 00:25:12.139 And it's it. 00:25:12.259 --> 00:25:15.979 Am I, am I wrong in saying that it's usually like at, at the last minute 00:25:16.249 --> 00:25:22.489 too, he's always kind of like just coming in, rushing in late last minute. 00:25:22.699 --> 00:25:24.799 Not getting the job done until the last minute or not 00:25:24.829 --> 00:25:25.909 doing it, not getting it done. 00:25:26.524 --> 00:25:30.814 Alison: The other thing I, so I mentioned that maybe this is, you can tell me 00:25:30.814 --> 00:25:34.774 if I'm digging too deep on this one, but in the, in the Halloween episode... 00:25:37.243 --> 00:25:43.033 Sometimes Xander hyper fixates on something to an extreme level. 00:25:43.033 --> 00:25:44.473 So that it's overdone. 00:25:44.746 --> 00:25:47.506 There were three or four Halloween episodes, but in the very first one, 00:25:47.506 --> 00:25:50.356 that's the one where they all fall under that spell that turns them 00:25:50.356 --> 00:25:55.006 into whatever they're dressed up as, and Xander comes into Buffy's house, 00:25:55.006 --> 00:25:56.656 he's dressed as an army commander. 00:25:56.656 --> 00:26:04.126 So he's in full fatigues and he comes into her house, spewing, military tactics, 00:26:04.156 --> 00:26:07.576 like, like, I mean, just rolling off of his tongue in a way we've never seen 00:26:07.581 --> 00:26:11.986 Xander be able to do before, probably from all the video games he played. 00:26:12.016 --> 00:26:14.026 This is a boy of the nineties after all. 00:26:14.416 --> 00:26:16.726 Um, but I just think it's funny. 00:26:17.701 --> 00:26:23.191 It's overdone to a point that I'm looking at it as being coded for a hyper fixation. 00:26:23.581 --> 00:26:28.101 And you notice that whenever Xander gets into trouble, like, he is 00:26:28.101 --> 00:26:34.161 able to always get so deep into the knowledge of whatever has befallen him. 00:26:34.371 --> 00:26:37.491 It's like that, that information was somewhere in the back of his 00:26:37.491 --> 00:26:41.751 head, all along, cuz he's able to tap into it a little bit too easily. 00:26:41.756 --> 00:26:45.891 So it's like that question we got on the d100 table a couple weeks ago 00:26:45.891 --> 00:26:48.981 where it was, what's something that you have gone down such a rabbit 00:26:48.981 --> 00:26:52.791 hole on, you know, researching that you've become an accidental expert. 00:26:53.121 --> 00:26:56.938 I feel like if you know, Google had been fully available to Xander in 00:26:56.938 --> 00:27:00.838 97, the way it is to us today on a smartphone, like he, there would be 00:27:00.838 --> 00:27:03.448 random things that he would just pop off. 00:27:04.048 --> 00:27:06.798 I just, I feel like that's Xander on a core level. 00:27:06.828 --> 00:27:07.948 Matt: No, I'm in I'm into that. 00:27:08.008 --> 00:27:08.608 I'm into that. 00:27:08.608 --> 00:27:08.908 Yeah. 00:27:09.115 --> 00:27:11.575 Alison: I wrote somewhere deep inside, there's some layer of 00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:15.505 his sweet little neuro divergent brain, just ready to unleash that 00:27:15.505 --> 00:27:17.605 level of chaos and specificity. 00:27:18.325 --> 00:27:20.755 I took my assignment really, really seriously you guys. 00:27:22.591 --> 00:27:24.091 Matt: You did, but that is great. 00:27:24.181 --> 00:27:25.441 Uh, yes. 00:27:25.921 --> 00:27:26.941 Alison: I'm just thinking of this. 00:27:26.941 --> 00:27:32.521 It would also explain if, if both Xander and Cordelia are ADHD, it would 00:27:32.521 --> 00:27:36.181 explain why ultimately there was an attraction between the two of them. 00:27:36.181 --> 00:27:41.191 Why they would both spend the first season and a half being so disgusted 00:27:41.544 --> 00:27:45.084 and then like one day be like, just kidding and just make out central, like 00:27:45.114 --> 00:27:47.004 it, that explained so much of that. 00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:48.219 Matt: It really does. 00:27:48.999 --> 00:27:53.735 I would also say that, so his, in-game spoiler alert, love of 00:27:53.735 --> 00:27:56.145 life ended up being, uh, Anya. 00:27:56.195 --> 00:27:56.735 Who is, 00:27:56.815 --> 00:27:57.195 Alison: Anya! 00:27:57.755 --> 00:27:59.708 Matt: Who is, a demon, right? 00:27:59.708 --> 00:28:00.528 What was Anya? 00:28:00.548 --> 00:28:01.388 She was not mortal. 00:28:01.388 --> 00:28:03.248 Alison: Yeah, she'd been around since the beginning of time. 00:28:03.248 --> 00:28:03.778 She was some kind of 00:28:03.863 --> 00:28:05.320 Matt: yeah, in human 00:28:05.320 --> 00:28:05.830 form. 00:28:05.915 --> 00:28:08.195 Alison: I think, yeah, she'd been feeding off souls 00:28:08.520 --> 00:28:13.165 Matt: But that, but it's interesting to me because, they're showing correlation 00:28:13.525 --> 00:28:17.845 between ADHD and autism these days, right? 00:28:17.845 --> 00:28:21.885 Like that there are some connections ,there're overlaps. 00:28:21.905 --> 00:28:26.075 There are there's spectrums of ADHD, there's spectrums of, of autism. 00:28:26.075 --> 00:28:30.165 And Um, to me, no joke. 00:28:30.885 --> 00:28:32.685 Uh, and I know she's a demon or 00:28:33.043 --> 00:28:34.153 demons, demons, 00:28:34.615 --> 00:28:37.505 uh, Anya is autistic, right?? 00:28:38.735 --> 00:28:38.955 There's. 00:28:39.785 --> 00:28:42.395 Alison: No, she and Tara, Tara, 00:28:42.395 --> 00:28:46.565 I've already forgotten are hundred percent on the spectrum 00:28:46.685 --> 00:28:48.425 Matt: Mm-hmm Yeah. 00:28:48.655 --> 00:28:50.725 For sure, absolute coding for that. 00:28:50.877 --> 00:28:53.727 Alison: Well, and Anya's is because she's actually not human. 00:28:53.727 --> 00:28:59.422 So of course like human communication and interaction, is actually foreign to her. 00:28:59.582 --> 00:29:00.062 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:29:00.517 --> 00:29:02.310 And take that as you will. 00:29:03.780 --> 00:29:06.720 In 2022, you know, looking back and going. 00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:07.020 Okay. 00:29:07.020 --> 00:29:11.240 So somebody who's coded with autism is actually a demon. 00:29:12.105 --> 00:29:13.245 Alison: Not what we're saying. 00:29:13.245 --> 00:29:13.725 Not 00:29:13.820 --> 00:29:14.910 Matt: Without, without any. 00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:15.740 Yeah. 00:29:15.740 --> 00:29:17.300 Not what we're saying. 00:29:17.910 --> 00:29:20.870 But there is, you know, there's this episode called The Body. 00:29:21.715 --> 00:29:24.995 Um, and there's plenty of examples of, of Anya being this way. 00:29:25.055 --> 00:29:31.015 And, I think that her, her inability to have human emotion, you know, 00:29:31.165 --> 00:29:32.485 let's just call it human emotion. 00:29:32.485 --> 00:29:32.755 Right. 00:29:32.760 --> 00:29:39.025 It is what, what her challenge was, um, but it really like people point 00:29:39.025 --> 00:29:43.195 to this episode, The Body, which is one of my, my favorite shows and I 00:29:43.555 --> 00:29:48.655 little personal side note, I saw The Body, uh, before I had seen any other 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.155 episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 00:29:50.155 --> 00:29:50.665 I saw it. 00:29:51.535 --> 00:29:51.865 Yeah. 00:29:51.865 --> 00:29:53.125 And I, I was like, yeah, okay. 00:29:53.455 --> 00:29:54.625 I didn't get the show. 00:29:54.625 --> 00:29:56.035 I didn't get the episode. 00:29:56.035 --> 00:29:57.205 I didn't understand anything. 00:29:57.205 --> 00:30:01.435 But flash forward, sadly or short few years later, I had all the 00:30:01.435 --> 00:30:04.835 context because my, my dad had died. 00:30:04.835 --> 00:30:07.945 Anybody that's lost a parent, watch The Body again. 00:30:08.135 --> 00:30:10.445 It is a very, it's a very heartfelt episode. 00:30:10.445 --> 00:30:11.615 It's a very sad episode. 00:30:11.855 --> 00:30:15.965 Joss Whedon had just lost his mom and that's he put that, put all of that into 00:30:15.965 --> 00:30:21.225 the show, but there are little things about that episode that are so amazing. 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.303 If you are someone who understands, you know, I don't want you to understand 00:30:25.393 --> 00:30:28.303 of course, but if you've lost a parent and you watch that episode, 00:30:28.633 --> 00:30:30.583 there's so much stuff in that episode. 00:30:30.583 --> 00:30:35.893 That's like what, like, one of the things that I always bring up is Buffy's mom 00:30:35.893 --> 00:30:40.760 is, you know, they have to get her to the hospital and she's dead and sorry, 00:30:40.760 --> 00:30:44.780 again, spoiler alert, but hopefully, you know, that was 98 y'all so, you know. 00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:50.455 Uh, she picks up the telephone and for no reason, the, the buttons 00:30:50.635 --> 00:30:53.935 of the phone are suddenly like unreadable and enormous, right? 00:30:53.935 --> 00:30:57.445 Like she can't like, she can't do it. 00:30:57.445 --> 00:30:59.005 She can't dial. 00:30:59.035 --> 00:30:59.425 Right. 00:30:59.875 --> 00:31:03.175 And also the amazing thing is like the whole episode, pretty 00:31:03.175 --> 00:31:05.875 much from the view of Buffy. 00:31:06.700 --> 00:31:08.710 She cannot look anyone in the eyes. 00:31:08.860 --> 00:31:13.789 So the camera stops pretty much right below anyone's gaze, right? 00:31:13.789 --> 00:31:14.839 Pretty much at the chin. 00:31:15.049 --> 00:31:19.576 All of the people that come in, like the ambulance people, her friends, 00:31:19.846 --> 00:31:23.506 it's just, I'm getting chills thinking about it now because it's, you 00:31:23.506 --> 00:31:28.546 know, when I got the call, uh, that dad was in the hospital just that 00:31:28.546 --> 00:31:31.456 heightened sense of lack of sense. 00:31:31.486 --> 00:31:34.546 I mean, you just, these things start shutting down in your brain, 00:31:34.551 --> 00:31:36.316 but that's exactly what I mean. 00:31:36.406 --> 00:31:41.116 I couldn't see anybody I was in Atlanta all the way from there to the 00:31:41.116 --> 00:31:43.344 airport to, Vermont, where he was. 00:31:43.344 --> 00:31:48.484 And all, all the things become so impossible to do all the little, 00:31:48.798 --> 00:31:51.678 things that you take for granted, like paying for something or 00:31:52.368 --> 00:31:53.688 anyway, in the heightened moment. 00:31:53.688 --> 00:31:54.288 It's really amazing. 00:31:55.533 --> 00:32:01.453 At the end of that episode, this demon Anya is, uh, asking all these 00:32:01.923 --> 00:32:04.763 questions of, of Xander and Willow. 00:32:04.768 --> 00:32:09.459 And she's asking questions like, well, are we going to see the body? 00:32:09.699 --> 00:32:14.439 Are we going to see, is she going to be, you know, lying down? 00:32:14.919 --> 00:32:19.569 You know, she's asking all these questions that sound so insensitive, 00:32:19.809 --> 00:32:25.309 you know, maybe someone who just doesn't have that filter of, of like, 00:32:25.969 --> 00:32:32.449 I don't know, social norms and that's, that's what Xander and Willow play. 00:32:32.569 --> 00:32:34.339 Like, what are you saying, please? 00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:35.899 You can't ask those questions. 00:32:35.899 --> 00:32:38.785 I mean, she's like, I don't remember what she actually says, but I just, 00:32:39.115 --> 00:32:40.915 just these questions that you go. 00:32:40.945 --> 00:32:41.365 Oof. 00:32:41.455 --> 00:32:41.875 Yikes. 00:32:41.965 --> 00:32:46.645 And she's just asking them and then finally Willow blows up at 00:32:46.645 --> 00:32:49.199 her and she just, she's like, well, 00:32:49.249 --> 00:32:50.959 i, I don't understand. 00:32:50.964 --> 00:32:52.519 No one is explaining this to me. 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.889 No one is helping me through this. 00:32:55.139 --> 00:32:56.789 I'm never gonna say hello to her again. 00:32:56.939 --> 00:33:00.649 I'm never going to, watch her, you know, walk across the street again, 00:33:00.649 --> 00:33:04.309 all these different, all these little things and, it's really sweet. 00:33:04.459 --> 00:33:10.450 It's very, very sweet, but it is something I think, that if, processing emotion, 00:33:10.630 --> 00:33:16.667 processing experiences in that way were more challenging to you, these are things 00:33:16.667 --> 00:33:20.447 that, that, you know, somebody might ask. 00:33:20.657 --> 00:33:21.827 So I loved it. 00:33:21.827 --> 00:33:22.547 I loved that. 00:33:22.687 --> 00:33:25.987 So I wonder, I wonder if that's, that's another thing that they were going, 00:33:26.017 --> 00:33:30.607 they were, they were doing is they had the ADHD kid with, with someone that 00:33:30.607 --> 00:33:36.397 would maybe give him some patience or give him some, you know, to try 00:33:36.397 --> 00:33:40.927 to slow him down, to try to say, you know, because if you have ADHD, maybe 00:33:40.932 --> 00:33:45.367 you're all emotion, everything's pure emotion, the good, the bad, all of it. 00:33:45.417 --> 00:33:48.982 Alison: And I think that that's true across any neuro divergent spectrum 00:33:48.982 --> 00:33:53.782 is a lot of times that things that are perceived as, uh, socially incompetent 00:33:53.782 --> 00:34:00.382 we'll call it is, is usually that person just trying to understand and being 00:34:00.382 --> 00:34:03.172 perceived in a hurtful or incorrect way. 00:34:03.367 --> 00:34:03.697 Matt: Hell. 00:34:03.697 --> 00:34:04.297 Yes. 00:34:04.844 --> 00:34:05.714 Hell yes. 00:34:05.719 --> 00:34:10.292 You know, once again, that is why I am glad we're doing this podcast. 00:34:10.292 --> 00:34:15.185 I'm glad that, there are doctors that care about this now and there are therapists 00:34:15.185 --> 00:34:22.203 and coaches and people talking about it because, think about all the people that 00:34:22.208 --> 00:34:24.633 we grew up with that were just weird. 00:34:24.813 --> 00:34:25.203 Right? 00:34:25.203 --> 00:34:25.263 I, 00:34:25.443 --> 00:34:29.433 Alison: I remember the first time that someone, um, talking about their son 00:34:29.433 --> 00:34:34.653 summarized autism, as you, you take a hole, the size of a pinhole and you 00:34:34.653 --> 00:34:38.973 try and shove all of the light that we all experience through a very large 00:34:39.033 --> 00:34:41.583 frame through that little tiny pinhole. 00:34:41.583 --> 00:34:45.603 Like, how would you feel if everything was being kind of focused on you 00:34:45.603 --> 00:34:49.503 in a very, very narrow path, but still the same amount, you know? 00:34:49.503 --> 00:34:52.533 And, you know, I probably had been mean and rude and why are they 00:34:52.538 --> 00:34:54.123 weird and why they act like that? 00:34:54.123 --> 00:34:58.533 And once somebody kind of put it in those terms of like, yeah, I'd probably not 00:34:58.593 --> 00:35:04.323 react physically or emotionally well, too, if I had light and sound traveling to me 00:35:04.383 --> 00:35:06.183 through a different, more narrow path. 00:35:06.363 --> 00:35:06.903 So 00:35:06.948 --> 00:35:10.778 Matt: And for us, maybe it's, take normal light and then like turn 00:35:10.778 --> 00:35:14.348 up the brightness, the gain, the, 00:35:14.438 --> 00:35:14.978 the 00:35:15.038 --> 00:35:17.648 contrast, put a disco 00:35:17.978 --> 00:35:18.968 Alison: and reflecting 00:35:19.508 --> 00:35:20.018 Matt: and then, 00:35:22.838 --> 00:35:23.328 Alison: yeah. 00:35:27.246 --> 00:35:29.226 Matt: Uh, well this was super fun. 00:35:29.766 --> 00:35:31.446 I thought, I don't know. 00:35:31.536 --> 00:35:35.346 It was fun to step out, step out and, and try something new. 00:35:35.741 --> 00:35:35.951 Alison: Yeah. 00:35:35.951 --> 00:35:38.261 I feel like this was the perfect discussion for me to have with you 00:35:38.261 --> 00:35:41.111 since you were the one you with the help of our good friend, Genna Cohen 00:35:41.471 --> 00:35:44.861 brought Buffy firmly into my life. 00:35:45.461 --> 00:35:48.431 It, you know, I will say this, this is probably gonna surprise you. 00:35:48.938 --> 00:35:50.078 Now I want to go rewatch. 00:35:50.678 --> 00:35:51.008 like 00:35:51.293 --> 00:35:52.613 Matt: No, it doesn't surprise me at all. 00:35:52.613 --> 00:35:53.663 Mm-hmm I was like, 00:35:54.103 --> 00:35:54.453 oh, 00:35:54.968 --> 00:35:55.508 Alison: oh, 00:35:55.708 --> 00:35:56.058 Oh, 00:35:56.348 --> 00:35:59.348 Um, thank you for having this weird little chat with me. 00:35:59.348 --> 00:36:04.178 Thank you, listeners of ADHd20 for tuning in to listen to two people who are not in 00:36:04.178 --> 00:36:07.898 any way qualified to diagnose a cucumber. 00:36:07.988 --> 00:36:08.498 Uh 00:36:09.648 --> 00:36:09.738 Matt: Nope. 00:36:09.738 --> 00:36:14.828 Alison: And we are talking about made up people, um, and what we think their, 00:36:14.888 --> 00:36:17.438 um, afflictions and otherwise might be 00:36:17.558 --> 00:36:17.858 Matt: I dunno. 00:36:17.858 --> 00:36:22.568 Cuz it's fun and it's therapeutic and it's harmless and I don't know if people, if 00:36:22.568 --> 00:36:26.098 people end up listening to this episode a lot, maybe we'll do more of these. 00:36:26.832 --> 00:36:31.152 Alison: If there is a cast that you want to, join the conversation, 00:36:31.872 --> 00:36:34.527 um, about please let us know. 00:36:34.597 --> 00:36:34.897 Matt: Someday. 00:36:34.897 --> 00:36:37.927 We'll get somebody who could, who could actually actually diagnose 00:36:37.927 --> 00:36:39.397 and that'll be really fun. 00:36:39.997 --> 00:36:40.297 We'll do 00:36:40.372 --> 00:36:40.762 Alison: Yeah, 00:36:41.525 --> 00:36:42.465 Matt: Um, yeah. 00:36:42.615 --> 00:36:47.585 Thanks you guys for joining us and thank you for supporting us. 00:36:48.425 --> 00:36:54.425 And we do have a Patreon as, as per requirement for podcasters 00:36:54.425 --> 00:36:58.865 and and nerds all across the land. 00:36:58.915 --> 00:37:00.565 Alison: Thanks to our little Discord family. 00:37:00.730 --> 00:37:00.905 Matt: Thank 00:37:00.955 --> 00:37:03.895 Alison: Thank you, Matt, for hating on Ross and, and, and... 00:37:04.180 --> 00:37:06.400 Matt: and starting this anytime. 00:37:06.700 --> 00:37:07.570 Anytime. 00:37:07.570 --> 00:37:09.965 Alison: With your Ross Gellar haterade. 00:37:12.568 --> 00:37:13.558 Matt: Any time. 00:37:13.558 --> 00:37:15.898 And until next time, my friend, you. 00:37:16.558 --> 00:37:17.248 Alison: Yay. 00:37:17.308 --> 00:37:17.728 Matt: Yay.