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Raphaël: I think we're recording.

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Alrighty.

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So I guess I'll do like an intro thing.

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I think what I said last
time, I was like, Hey folks.

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And welcome to okay.

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Alrighty.

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Alrighty.

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Hey folks.

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And welcome to the Chewy podcast.

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Today is going to be our first
episode, really other than the

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little cheesy intro episode.

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So we'll just get started on
how does the internet work?

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How does the web work
actually technically,

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Éva: maybe you should introduce yourself.

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Or at first,

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Éva: that could be an
interesting thing to do here.

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Raphaël: Yeah, that's
probably a good idea.

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So I'm Raph and I'm one of the
co-founders of Éphémère Creative, a

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small design and development studio in
beautiful Vancouver, British Columbia.

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And this is Éva.

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Hi Éva.

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Éva: Hi Raph.

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And I'm Éva.

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Who am I?

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Big question.

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I'm Éva, I'm the other
co-founder of Éphémère Creative.

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And in this podcast I
will play the role of the.

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I'm not going to see the word
cause it's not appropriate.

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I played the role of the one that doesn't
really know much about the web and

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hopefully you can follow me along as we
learn more about the big world, wild web.

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Raphaël: Sounds awesome.

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I recently put together this little video
that is titled something along the lines

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of "what happens when you go to a URL."

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And I figured that's a good
starting point for this whole

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journey of how the Internet's work.

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Éva.

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How does the internet work?

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Like when you go to Euro what's
your impression of what happens?

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We can dive deeper into that.

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Éva: first of all, my user
journey looks like this.

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I first Google any thoughts that
I have, even if I know that URL, I

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Google it anyways, but let's say.

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Raphaël: My dad does that too.

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Éva: Thank you for putting
me in that same generation.

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I swear.

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I work in digital marketing
and ladies and gentlemen.

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Okay.

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So when I put on URL what I would assume
happens, there's some kind of call.

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Done by some kind of web property.

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And then it goes and fishes
for that first landing page.

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I'd assume maybe it loads a portion
of what's there lazy loading and

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once I'm on it, there's probably
some security stuff going on.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Éva: Maybe some other calls
back and forth, maybe some

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crawling of some sort and yeah.

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And then I'm there

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think in many ways that actually
does cover a lot of what happens.

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Some of it is maybe like we can,
the language is maybe a little

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different, but yeah, that's kind of it.

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So the you've got a domain.

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And actually what's your
impression of what is a domain?

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Like

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Éva: Domain to me is
like www at something.

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Raphaël: yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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And basically okay, so you've got like
a domain, so you buy mycoolwebsite.com

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and essentially what happens is that just
gives you the ability to tell various

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services out there that mycoolwebsite.com
should go to this particular server.

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So there's these records.

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And so you set up these what's called
DNS records and DNS is man, I'm

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gonna, I'm going to screw this up.

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The domain name, system, domain name.

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Yeah, I remember I at one point,
I'm just going to look this up.

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DNS.

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Yeah.

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Domain name, system.

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There's I remember I
butchered it at some point.

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I called it the domain name,
something else or the domain

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anyway, but so the domain names.

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And basically that is this like way
of telling computers, what happened...

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like which address a request should go to
when you hook it up to a particular like

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Éva: So that's what I'm buying.

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When I buy a domain.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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It was just the ability to set those
records for that particular name.

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And so when you have
like mycoolwebsite.com.

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You can say, yeah, I want this cool
website to go to the, like that record.

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mycoolwebsite.com.

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I want it to go to the address.

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136.592.

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Whatever.

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Like it's

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Éva: And that's the DNS

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Raphaël: yeah.

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And so that's how DNS works is.

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You'll have 135.69.199.23.

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And that's like a, that's an IP address.

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Éva: great.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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And so those IP addresses are
unique identifiers for things

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throughout the internet.

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And we can dive deeper into that and how
like we've actually run out of addresses

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and the old version of IP addresses
IPV four, and we've moved to IPV six.

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And those things are huge mess.

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They're really complicated.

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You can't just remember them like.

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For little chunks of numbers, they're
really long and complicated, but basically

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you've told now your the rest of the
internet, basically it goes out and it

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propagates throughout networks across
like internet service providers and stuff.

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And now they all get these records.

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And so they know that when someone
who's hooked up to the internet types,

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then I want to go to mycoolwebsite.com.

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We'll go to that.

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Éva: Yeah.

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Raphaël: And then it's like
what you were saying, right?

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So that the browser sends out
this call and says, yeah, I

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need to get some information
from that domain under the hood.

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There's a lot of complicated stuff that
happens and we can messy, but we can talk

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about like the Facebook debacle recently,
where all of their stuff just disappeared.

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And there's some complicated
DNS reasons why that happened.

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It's always DNS.

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There's a joke between developers that
always DNS, DNS is always the problem.

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But that call goes through and
under the hood, the various parts of

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the domain name system, like we'll
tell your computer, like actually

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you don't want mycoolwebsite.com.

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You want this IP address.

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And that request gets
sent to the IP address.

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Éva: Okay.

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Raphaël: And then you
have to what happens then?

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Like once, once it goes through,
like it gets to a server

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Éva: Okay.

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And that all happened in
what like five second, one

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Raphaël: Like milliseconds,

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Éva: of the second milliseconds.

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Raphaël: yeah.

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Literally milliseconds, like all
of this gets just resolved and

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then that request goes through.

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Éva: And then there's a pool of
stuff and basically we go fishing.

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Would that request.

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Raphaël: Yeah, I kinda there's I
can get like really messy, like what

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happens at the other end, but basically
you then need, if you're using a web

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browser you're a marketer, what's the
that like SEO and all of those things,

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like all of that depends on HTML.

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Yeah, basically, you need something
at the other end to be like,

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Hey, let me give you some HTML.

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Éva: Okay.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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And so that might be Shopify, right?

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So they might have like thousands
of servers that under the hood, do

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some, all kinds of complicated things
to be like we're going to generate

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some HTML and send it back to you.

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Or it might be WordPress.

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Like 33% of the internet
or something like that.

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It was WordPress.

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Or it might be just some computer
that has like an HTML file.

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And it's yeah, here's this
HTML file you asked for.

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But yeah that's what happens.

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So on the other end, it's
I've got this HTML for ya.

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It'll like, look at the path afterwards,
like everything after mycoolwebsite.

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And that's just like information
that's sent over to the server

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and it chooses what to do with it.

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So it's just oh, you
want slash start page.

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Cool.

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I know what that is.

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Or it might be like, I have
no idea what that is, but it

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has to send something back.

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So it might send you back like
a 4 0 4 page or it might not.

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And then your browser's
Hey, nothing happened here.

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And then you get a little Chrome dinosaur.

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You can

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Éva: It's the Chrome dinosaur.

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Raphaël: actually, no that's
from a different page.

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My bad have you ever tried to like you're
on your computer, you open Chrome and

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then you're not connected to the internet.

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And then you get a little
page with a little tiny.

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But, okay you should, at some point, try
to connect to, or open your browser when

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you're not connected to the internet
and there's a little dinosaur, and if

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you press space, it starts running.

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There's a game built into Chrome where
you can just doodle around on this.

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Or you can play this little running
game at the dinosaur while you wait

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for your internet to reconnect.

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Éva: that's pretty cool.

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I never heard of that.

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Raphaël: Yeah, random little Easter egg.

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Éva: Like denying bizarre
is better than the 404

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yeah that's so what's next?

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I don't know what w

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Éva: that's nice.

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And then when I

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Raphaël: so yeah, go for it.

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Éva: if I click on
something, what happens?

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Raphaël: Same thing over and over.

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It's just a mess of that

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Éva: Wow.

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Raphaël: Tangled, web of links.

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Yeah, basically your browser
knows how to render that HTML.

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So just plop something on the screen.

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And then you were talking
about sending us a request.

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Yeah, when a page says it's got an image

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Éva: Yeah.

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Raphaël: like that, it's going to
send another request like that.

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And for each image for each like other
resource that might be loaded by page.

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Éva: How does the web handle that
volume of requests at that speed,

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Raphaël: I don't even understand.

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I like, it blows my mind pretty regularly
that it's oh, I might load this page.

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Have you?

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You've we've loaded the Chrome
dev tools before a few times.

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And you've seen so

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Éva: Yes we

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Raphaël: there's just so many things like,

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Éva: Yeah.

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Raphaël: you're loading up like
Intercom or segment or whatever.

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And there's 20,000 other tools where your
Google analytics and all of those things.

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Just there, each of them
is a request like that.

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And so one request might
suddenly turn into 150 requests

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Éva: Yeah.

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It's pretty crazy.

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Raphaël: yeah, it's
wild and each image too.

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You got like a page with a bunch of
images, icons, like stuff like that.

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Éva: Yup.

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Raphaël: one of those is
one of those requests.

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That's why.

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All blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah.

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Éva: Cool.

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I feel more educated.

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I'm still confused, but
I feel more educated.

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I feel like.

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I get a good sense of what happens
every time I go through the www URL.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Éva: So hopefully the folks that
are listening also feel that

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they have a better understanding.

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And then, okay, last question, closed
the podcast, but how would like a

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deployment stag do anything about it?

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Would that be involved in this or
it's just has nothing to do with it.

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Raphaël: If you need to get a server
up and running somewhere, okay.

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So that computer that's like listening
on ad address, like 1, 3, 9, whatever.

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How do you like?

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Yeah.

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So you need a computer to
listen for those requests.

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And so there's a bunch of tools that
you can use like Heroku or Vercel or

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Netlify or DigitalOcean or AWS or GCP or
all of these different things are like

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different ways of spinning up a server.

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That is going to listen for
those requests when someone types

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it into their URL or whatever.

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And yeah, so there's a bunch of tooling
out there that exists to quickly deploy

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servers to those services, including
like the stuff that we're building at

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Chewy, which will make it super easy
to do a whole lot of complicated stuff.

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But without all of the messy complexity to
get one of those servers up and running.

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I think is what you were hinting at there.

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Éva: Yup.

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Raphaël: Yup.

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Éva: Yeah.

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I was hinting at something
that I didn't know about.

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I was hoping you'd actually
point me in the right direction.

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Sounds like you did.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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So basically we're going to try
and make it super simple to get

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a server up and running probably
initially on DigitalOcean.

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Cause it's nice and friendly.

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We like DigitalOcean.

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Éva: I think you're going
down the rabbit hole.

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I think people don't necessarily
know what DigitalOcean

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Raphaël: Okay.

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It's a company.

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Éva: Okay.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Yep.

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Éva: Maybe that's a topic
of our next podcast.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Or maybe the sponsor of our next podcast.

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That would be nice.

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Wouldn't it?

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Éva: Yeah, it's sponsored by DigitalOcean.

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And if that's the case, I will have to
read about them so that I don't say what

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is, DigitalOcean while they sponsor us.

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Raphaël: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We actually do use them
for a lot of our clients.

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Éva: Ah, there you go.

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Raphaël: Yep.

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Yep.

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Éva: Alright.

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Thanks for the explanation.

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That was a cool, that
was a cool definition.

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Raphaël: Thanks, Éva.

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Yeah, it's a fun chat.

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Éva: Yeah.

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Okay, bye.

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Raphaël: Alrighty.

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Bye.

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Thanks folks.

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Thanks for listening and tune in
for the next episode where we, I

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don't know, talk about JavaScript.

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Should we  talk about JavaScript?

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What's JavaScript?

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Éva: Yeah.

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Let's talk about JavaScript or
let's talk about Ruby, cause

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I feel you love Ruby on rails.

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No too

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crazy.

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Raphaël: okay.

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Ruby's okay.

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you do other stuff though?

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Éva: Okay.

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Raphaël: Alrighty.

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Yeah, let's do JavaScript instead.

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All right.

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See you folks.