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all right it's thursday that means it's time 
for AROYA Office Hours hi welcome everybody

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your chance to win how's it going seth and jason

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pretty good staying warm excellent good to see 
you guys are you ready for our first question

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sure yeah awesome okay it comes from our friends 
at river city growers they wrote in what types

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of readings are you looking for with plant 
measurements and on what days of flower would

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you recommend they be taken these questions lead 
right directly into our theme for the week which

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is manual readings and sensor values so seth 
and jason how about we start with an overview

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yeah yeah let's just uh do a little screen 
share here and we'll kind of look at a

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little AROYA view and kind of the uh manual 
reading inputs that we currently look at

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now that the list is pretty deep there but there 
are a few key ones that you want to look at

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um typically you know as a grower we should 
be taking our feed ec feed ph runoff ec and

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runoff ph on a pretty pretty much daily basis 
if we're being responsible so this is a great

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spot to enter some of those manual reads right 
directly on your phone without having to pull out

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a notebook or a binder or write on a spreadsheet 
and then go later enter that into the computer

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but some of these are quite important one that 
i really like to look at in terms of you know

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physical measurements we think of measuring is 
plant height we want to really track our plants

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stretch throughout early generative and really 
determine when that plant stops stretching and

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naturally has rolled over into its reproductive 
phase you know if we try to implement some of

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our steering strategies at the wrong time that 
can have some pretty detrimental effects not

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so much to plant health but to our desired 
outcome which is both quality and quantity

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using these tools wrong can kind of lead us in 
the wrong direction or just not get you know

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that yield increase we're looking for so really 
learning to time it based on plant height node

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spacing and even taking stem diameter about every 
other day through stretch is pretty good you know

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that's not so tight that it's going to be a huge 
pain to go take but it's going to be close enough

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that the most we could miss that stop is by 
one day which is totally acceptable yeah so for

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plant height i think one of the most critical 
ones that's going to help you time out your growth

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cycles especially when you start just tailor per 
strain and that's looking at that plant height

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right when you go from your 18 6 veg light cycle 
to that 12 12 and you begin some rooting in and

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maybe even some generative steering at that 
point so definitely absolutely at the end of

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edge get that that plant height in there and then 
compare that to how you grew throughout the cycle

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what that stretching looked like throughout 
your generative and then did we get the right

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size plant that we were looking for so especially 
for like two or three tier growers with the leds

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a lot of times those plants start stretching up in 
through the led lights and anything above those is

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obviously going to lose quality and quantity so 
maybe you can shorten up your veg time a little

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bit which is always desired to get a little bit 
more a little bit more cycles in through there

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and or you know if your plants didn't quite end up 
with enough uh vegetative stems and structure to

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them uh or true veg you know maybe grow that 
strain just a little bit taller before you

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run into a 1212 and flip for generative yeah i 
mean you know stream to strain a lot of people

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have been surprised especially in the multi-tier 
grows how small you really can flip a plant to try

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to keep it inside that height range and you know 
once we switch over to that commercial setting

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we really don't want to be touching the plant so 
that is super crucial really to dial that plant

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height coming in because if i've only got four and 
a half or five and a half feet overhead my plant

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height needs to be dialed and now that i've put 
you know all of my plants on this shelving system

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it's more work to get to an individual 
plant so i really want to minimize the

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times that i have to go in and train tie 
the plant down or do anything like that

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and when i say it's surprising on some 
strains if you're used to a traditional setup

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with not necessarily unlimited but let's 
say at least eight feet of overhead height

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you might be surprised when you find that you're 
flipping plants that are you know 12 inches or

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less that's where it really comes in and you know 
crop registration is key to tracking that because

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i said a bunch of times and i'll say it again 
once you have the volume of plants that you

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have going through the average commercial 
facility it becomes very difficult to keep

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track of it just through observation you know at 
any given time you might have the same strain in

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every single phase of its life in your facility 
and as cool as that sounds to go look at

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at the point that you have that many rooms 
you might not have time to just go stare at

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the plants and think about it for hours on 
end every day so you've got to really find a

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a system that relies on quantified measurements 
to make these choices yeah and some of these uh

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manual readings that we have in here when we 
think about a manual grow journal things that

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you might already be taking in in a notebook or 
any of those type of other documentation ways

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you can now get those directly into our system 
and for some of these it's nice to have just as

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a transition period so maybe you are taking uh you 
know spot water contents right now or some spot

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ec measurements in that substrate with uh 
with various different types maybe you're

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using the solus maybe you're using like you 
know some blue lab equipment for these type of

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measurements and what you can do is you can 
start to kind of calibrate and get used to

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using time series data from systems like 
AROYA where they're automatically taking

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this information and maybe you're just not used 
to that so it's a great transition period to start

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just documenting in compare against what you're 
seeing in your charts and and kind of get used to

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having a little bit more more free time from 
labor and not taking some of those readings

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yeah and you know just honestly getting and 
getting to develop those good habits because

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although AROYA is going to capture all kinds of 
data for you you've still got to put in enough

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work to organize it you've still got to analyze it 
yourself to an extent you know roy is not going to

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just spit out the choices you need to be making 
it's going to give you the information that you

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need to make those choices so giving yourself 
some context in terms of you know even some

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of these that a lot of us aren't really used to 
taking like stem diameter i have never taken that

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on a super regular basis but if i was running 
a new nutrient line or trying let's say just

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starting to implement generative growth 
strategies and stuff i might want to keep

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track of that because some of my plants are 
going to respond by having a much beefier stem

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and hopefully you know having a lot stronger 
structure if i don't see that on certain screens

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i i want to know and i want to have it recorded 
so that i just have that bit of information about

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that screen and i know what to expect when i 
apply certain techniques to it one of the things

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you'll notice in this system is we're letting you 
attribute it specifically to a zone so if you are

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using your harsh groups and you've defined what 
strains are in what zones really helps you keep

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track of how those strains are behaving and if 
you are obviously mono cropping in a room then

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take some uh readings you know 
multiple readings across each zone and

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that'll kind of help you understand your 
consistencies and then maybe if there's any

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zonality issues within that room as 
well so my recommendation is always

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take at least two or three at the very minimum 
of those manual readings per zone ideally more

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but you know every manual reading does cost time 
so if you can make good decisions based off of

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you know a limited set of of data then 
then spend your time doing other things but

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you want to capture more than one so when we look 
at things like plant height i always like to try

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and attribute the manual reading to the same 
plant that we have some taros 12s installed to

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and then we can correlate that directly to the 
data right so maybe i've got a zone with three

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substrate sensors in there i'll take three uh 
plant heights and you know depending on how much

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different those are and if those plants accurately 
represented the crop then i might take more

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absolutely you know going back 
to crop registration is just

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really really really important can't 
stress that enough and then you know

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really just not only adding these manual readings 
but don't be afraid to add a note in there

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you know take pictures with your notes and then as 
you get deeper and deeper you might find yourself

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looking at things like to model conductance here 
with you know most people probably don't have a

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leaf parameter but this is you know another really 
fun value to look at and say okay are my plants

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doing what i think they're doing we're going to 
put that in are they conducting as much water

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through their stomata yes or no water activity 
that's you know more of a post-production thing

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but very important we want to establish 
that line between when our product is

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too wet and mold can grow or other 
bacteria or other pathogens rather

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or it's so dry that you know we've sacrificed 
quality and weight it helps with that consistency

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um you know we can go through most of these are 
on here they're in here for a reason you know

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you as a grower do you need to take every one of 
these maybe not but there are more tools in your

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toolbox to compare how your facility is performing 
versus how you expect it to perform and then also

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diversify you know like uh we as a sensing 
company don't typically do a lot of controls

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however most facilities we work at have some 
sort of automated control system a lot of those

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systems come with a less sophisticated sensor 
or a different brand of sensor having that

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redundancy in your system is great so if you want 
to say okay i'm going to spot check rh out here

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with uh my brand x environmental controller sensor 
that i'm going to check on that platform for now

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i can get that in there once a day let's say you 
know it's on the screen that i got to walk up to

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in the room or in the hallway and get i can start 
comparing those so i know that when AROYA says

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that we're at 62 humidity and brand x says 
we're at 65. okay i personally trust the

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aurora ones more myself but uh now i have a 
feeling you know and i i've written it down

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that way when i could go back and say all right 
i was yep that's what it was that time not so

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much well i had this feeling that that sensor 
was running low or high this week or that week

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you know we want everything to be as repeatable 
as possible inside of you know an eight or nine

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week flower period and also any a full plant life 
cycle and this you know capturing as much data

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as possible is how we're going to accomplish 
that we can look at some of the other control

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systems a lot of times have the ability to run an 
offset from their sensor data and what i prefer

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is obviously having your climate stations in a 
representative area in the room that's typically

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within a foot of the canopy and you know at 
least somewhere in one of the the quadrants or

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towards the middle of the room and if you are 
using a controller offset and it's got a different

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climate station than ours get those sensors within 
a pretty close range of each other i like to say

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you know if you can have those hanging within a 
foot of each other then you're eliminating other

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variables that could account for that offset and 
you're you're getting a better capture of the true

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environmental parameters in there oh yeah and 
you know i mean another thing too is when you're

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looking at that room and you do have sensor 
placement if you're getting some value that

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you don't expect go investigate it and sometimes 
you might find that that side of the room i mean

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i've talked to several clients who hang it up 
and i can't believe it's that dry in the room

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like why well it's molding show me a picture of 
your climate station it's right in front of a fan

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or the d-hue and it's like it's not that as bad on 
their part or anything it's just kind of like okay

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anytime we see something like that 
we should investigate and then also

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make a record of it so now you've got a spot check 
on that device and go okay here's a note when

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i put it by the d u it does not read accurately 
it's off by 10 degrees fahrenheit and 20 humidity

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or something like that and i like to kind of think 
about these parameters in my head on two different

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uh two different aspects well the first 
would be thinking about uniformity so we

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can obviously have crop uniformity and we can 
have environmental uniformity and uniformity

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is just an instant snapshot it's a snapshot 
of what's going on right at this minute across

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our population across the volume of that room and 
obviously if you have good uniformity then you can

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start looking at consistency and i like to think 
about consistency as the performance over time

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is the hvac equipment operating as expected you 
know every day all the time are our plants growing

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as we expect and so if you can think about 
those two as a separate aspect a lot of times

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it's going to help you improve uniformity and 
or then look at the specific variables that are

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increasing or decreasing 
the consistency over the run

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yeah you've got to separate your variables and 
start learning what you can and can't play with

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and what is actually affecting everything and a 
lot of times it's really tempting to go oh well

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my yield was terrible on that one i 
had high humidity i had low light i had

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this or that you got to pull those apart one at a 
time before you can really make a judgment and say

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this is what was wrong like fix everything you 
can and then remember that you know in the last

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well a couple hundred years that people 
have been doing a lot of plant research

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and trying to really figure out how plants 
work you know it used to take a whole summer

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it used to take a whole growing season if 
we want to get into fruit breeding or just

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raising fruit trees we're talking about years 
to experience any return so that's something

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it's hard to as a grower be patient when 
you've got this data right at your fingertips

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you want to act on every little bit of it but 
sometimes it's better to keep your consistency

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look at the entire run and then start to make 
our decisions for the next run especially if

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there's nothing catastrophic happening you know 
if our goal is just to get from 2.5 to 3.5 pounds

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if we've been consistent at 
2.5 we're going to do that

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step it up slowly treat it one variable at 
a time so that we can observe what happens

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when we just change that one variable yeah 
a couple things that you can kick my mind

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there about so an example of analyzing uniformity 
using manual readings would be you know taking

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multiple plant heights or multiple runoff ecs 
runoff ph's across that room so that's you know

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a snapshot of right now we're saying all right we 
have 12 plant height readings from this room what

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is the standard deviation or what's the variation 
between our top values and our bottom values

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and then an example of how to use those for 
consistency would be taking those readings

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every other day or what your labor allows to to 
be most helpful for how your facility operates

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and one of the things that's really cool about 
taking notes and adding pictures in here as well

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is you can notify other members on your team so 
maybe you did see a big variation in plant height

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across there and you might hit up your your clone 
manager tag them in the comments with a pound sign

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and or at sign excuse me and their name and 
that'll notify them that uh you know hey

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seth is you know there's something that your clone 
team can do to help us improve our uniformity and

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have more projectibility on our crop height 
absolutely especially when we start talking about

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some bigger facilities you know as this whole 
industry has evolved i've definitely noticed um

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a lot more specialization than we see necessarily 
in some other horticultural industries so

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you know it's very typical to have someone 
that's just in charge of veg and cloning okay

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well getting this information back to them because 
they may not always they're not spending as much

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time in the flower room seeing how those plants 
end up nor are they probably doing nearly as much

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between when it leaves their care and the time 
they would go look at it so it's really important

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that everyone that's actually you know the art the 
human side of it that needs to be appealed to as

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well and everyone's got to have that information 
you know if you've got a veg manager that's

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working on cloning they've got a way they like to 
do it and it doesn't work they probably have some

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good reasons for doing it the way they do it so 
it's it's more of a conversation than just oh hey

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smaller clones oh hey bigger clowns uh like okay 
here's here's why you know here's what we're

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looking at guys we gotta adjust a whole host 
of different strategies to accomplish this and

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the more data we can have the more 
comfortable everyone's gonna be

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one of the major goals of heroic is getting 
everyone to work as a team at the facility and

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so we you know we always encourage that you build 
out the role permissions and you try and get as

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many people involved documenting into the system 
as possible and this really helps the people that

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are good and specialized in a specific area get 
get assistance so you know maybe you're doing

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a good job documenting uh your pest management 
stuff in here and you you know take a picture of

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your sticky cards and you say hey you know at pm 
manager i'm seeing a new type of bug or i'm seeing

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a higher pest load in this room take some pictures 
of it tag them in there and it's really just going

0:17:56.320,0:18:01.040
to help them use their time more efficiently 
and have have more rise what's going on in

0:18:01.040,0:18:05.600
the room absolutely and that's one thing you 
know since we were screen sharing this week i

0:18:05.600,0:18:10.080
might as well show while we're on it you can 
really customize each role in the facility

0:18:10.880,0:18:17.280
so you can have everything up to an administrator 
you know head honcho down to uh hey we finally hit

0:18:17.280,0:18:20.640
the point in cannabis where you might have some 
interns running around doing some of these spot

0:18:20.640,0:18:24.960
readings for you and you can give them the ability 
to look at the map and enter readings and that's

0:18:24.960,0:18:31.120
about it if you want so we can really customize 
this so everyone in the facility can start using

0:18:31.120,0:18:36.240
it and uh helping build that data set that we're 
looking for because there are a lot of moving

0:18:36.240,0:18:42.080
parts if not everyone's on board you're missing 
missing little snippets here and there we've tried

0:18:42.080,0:18:47.680
to include as much flexibility on this as possible 
because so many of these facilities operate with

0:18:47.680,0:18:53.280
different levels of employees and so you can add 
more roles you know if you need 10 rolls in there

0:18:53.280,0:18:59.760
then you can absolutely specify exactly what each 
person can access see modify and contribute to

0:19:02.160,0:19:07.600
amazing thank you guys so much for that overview 
i actually learned a ton in that but what really

0:19:07.600,0:19:14.320
stands out to me is first of all the importance 
of the human element still always but also second

0:19:14.320,0:19:19.760
of all data is just really expanding the gross 
toolbox giving you much more insight into stuff

0:19:19.760,0:19:23.920
that you can't see and uh giving you other 
considerations maybe that you hadn't thought

0:19:23.920,0:19:32.480
about so um really appreciating that synergy thank 
you guys okay well eric is on with us today and he

0:19:32.480,0:19:38.480
posted a question eric you want to go ahead and 
mute yourself and ask yeah of course um first of

0:19:38.480,0:19:44.400
all guys i always want to thank you guys for the 
last like few weeks i've been on um i'm definitely

0:19:44.400,0:19:49.600
seeing improvements all throughout my run yeah 
whether it's my veg or my flower cycle right now

0:19:49.600,0:19:55.600
so appreciate it a lot um had a quick question uh 
this shouldn't be too complicated but how large

0:19:55.600,0:20:01.280
do you guys like to keep your p1s relative to your 
p2s so i feel like i have an understanding of how

0:20:01.280,0:20:06.640
many shots to bring it up and you know how long 
to do it but i'm not understanding what size they

0:20:06.640,0:20:11.840
should be because usually there's a recommended 
oh let's say like one to three percent or for veg

0:20:11.840,0:20:17.840
but is that one to three percent the size of the 
maintenance shots or the size of the ramp up shots

0:20:17.840,0:20:24.640
and how should you think about that and would 
you change that throughout your vegetative or

0:20:24.640,0:20:30.800
um generative steering or it's just like a 
set amount for ramp up so i think i'm just

0:20:30.800,0:20:34.560
going to start off with the basics here i don't 
necessarily like to think about shot size relative

0:20:34.560,0:20:39.600
to each other uh for generative for example a 
lot of times i won't even run any p2 shots we'll

0:20:39.600,0:20:45.280
just be running p1 shots i like to think about 
those shot sizes in reference to the substrate

0:20:45.280,0:20:52.480
size and how big our drybacks were so for kind of 
just a very general outline of running p1s i like

0:20:52.480,0:21:01.360
to have four shots in one hour and so if i see 
about a 20 dryback then i'll need four shots of

0:21:01.360,0:21:08.080
approximately five maybe six percent if i want to 
get right up to my field capacity within that hour

0:21:10.160,0:21:13.520
yeah you know i mean it does change it 
can change a little bit so when we're

0:21:13.520,0:21:17.280
talking about generative we want to go 
minimum shots so if we can hit that in

0:21:17.280,0:21:22.480
four inside one hour and get a 23 hour drive 
back that's a great great generative strategy

0:21:24.240,0:21:27.600
when we switch over to veg what we're 
looking at is more and more irrigation

0:21:27.600,0:21:32.240
events in the day to push that plant 
to grow more that being said if we

0:21:33.920,0:21:38.240
lengthen that out a little bit maybe to two 
hours we can fit a lot more one to three percent

0:21:38.240,0:21:43.840
irrigations in and get more events in and push 
that that plant more vegetatively in the daytime

0:21:44.480,0:21:51.760
however pushing a plant harder that way is not 
necessarily always what we want to do so it's

0:21:51.760,0:21:56.400
really important to go back to taking some of 
those manual readings and notes and pictures i

0:21:56.400,0:22:00.720
think pictures speak a thousand words and we're 
talking about plants i mean they always do but

0:22:00.720,0:22:06.240
especially to the grower we're used to staring at 
plants so uh if you can start to relate some of

0:22:06.240,0:22:09.840
those things in the future it's gonna help 
you a lot a couple things to keep in mind

0:22:09.840,0:22:16.160
as well is every once in a while you just have 
equipment limitations that don't let you perform

0:22:16.160,0:22:22.000
perfectly as your intentions for crop steering 
so thinking about the drip rate of your emitters

0:22:22.640,0:22:27.840
if you've got high flow emitters that are you know 
are dripping faster than you'd like you may need

0:22:27.840,0:22:34.320
to split that into shorter durations of irrigation 
just to allow the substrate capillary effect to

0:22:34.320,0:22:41.280
help unif or get uniform water content throughout 
the entire media and then another thing to kind

0:22:41.280,0:22:46.320
of keep in mind is how much runoff that you're 
trying to push for to modulate your ec levels

0:22:46.320,0:22:50.640
and so if if you need a little bit more 
runoff sometimes you'll want slightly larger

0:22:50.640,0:22:56.800
shot sizes so that you can pull that ec down yeah 
and that's something we're always working with is

0:22:56.800,0:23:01.600
the limitation of the medium that we're working in 
you know and rock wool if we put on too big of a

0:23:01.600,0:23:06.720
shot too fast we're gonna get channeling coco same 
thing it's gonna run off before we actually hit

0:23:06.720,0:23:11.360
field capacity because as jason said it doesn't 
have time to move through the medium with the

0:23:11.360,0:23:16.080
capillary effect so sometimes you know like in 
an ideal world if we want to go for a bigger

0:23:16.080,0:23:21.680
and bigger shot with fewer for generative we will 
inevitably hit a point with coco it's uh you know

0:23:21.680,0:23:26.640
it can be higher up closer to ten percent maybe 
a little more with rockwool six percent seven

0:23:26.640,0:23:32.000
percent is generally pushing on as big of a shot 
as we want to put on you know and if we're trying

0:23:32.000,0:23:37.520
to push these push these plants as generatively 
as possible we would have and i mean you can see

0:23:37.520,0:23:42.960
this in some very old school growing text you 
have a big media size big pot we hit that thing

0:23:42.960,0:23:46.880
once in the morning if the pot is big enough and 
the plants small enough we might wait a whole day

0:23:46.880,0:23:52.560
you know two days before we water what we're doing 
is giving it one irrigation pulse and then a lot

0:23:52.560,0:23:58.000
of generative stress but at the same time growing 
that way we end up with a plant that might be

0:23:58.640,0:24:03.840
four maybe five feet tall out of a five to seven 
gallon pot and just not have the weight that we're

0:24:03.840,0:24:08.720
looking for it might have the quality but we 
never we never got to that bulking phase the

0:24:08.720,0:24:13.120
plant really couldn't go into overdrive and 
that's what we're kind of trying to do is uh

0:24:14.640,0:24:18.160
really time when we want to shift gears with 
the plant i guess is a good way to put it

0:24:18.880,0:24:26.800
yeah substrate size one of those things that it's 
pretty easy to dial in uh in comparison to some of

0:24:26.800,0:24:31.120
the other challenges that people face and when 
it you know if you're a soil grower you're used

0:24:31.120,0:24:37.280
to having larger substrates that you can store 
some of the the nutrients in that that living

0:24:37.280,0:24:43.760
soil the thing about hydroponic medias is all 
our nutrients are coming from our fertigation

0:24:43.760,0:24:48.640
anyways so as long as we're not causing a 
volumetric issue with the roots we can be in

0:24:48.640,0:24:54.560
a little bit smaller substrate and and be able to 
keep that plant healthy on the other side of that

0:24:54.560,0:24:58.640
is obviously if our substrate's a little too small 
we're going to run into challenges keeping the

0:24:58.640,0:25:03.520
water content high enough when we're doing a long 
maybe a 23 hour drive back during our generative

0:25:05.120,0:25:11.200
yeah you know if you're finding that uh you 
you can't ripen after bulking just because

0:25:11.200,0:25:16.800
the plant dries out too fast get a bigger pot 
quit beating yourself up beating yourself up

0:25:16.800,0:25:23.680
everywhere else and solve the problem in a simple 
way or cut your plant size in half but um yeah

0:25:26.240,0:25:30.800
eric did that answer your question uh 
absolutely more than enough thank you

0:25:30.800,0:25:34.480
amazing awesome thank you so much for asking 
and just a reminder to everybody's on with us

0:25:34.480,0:25:38.480
we're here for you please feel free to type any 
questions you have in the chat and actually if

0:25:38.480,0:25:43.120
you want to be entered to win a limited edition 
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0:25:43.760,0:25:50.400
all right you guys we got quite a few write-ins 
this week um this one came from pat who emailed us

0:25:50.400,0:25:56.400
hi folks i have a question regarding ec versus 
moisture level starting with the thought of dry

0:25:56.400,0:26:01.680
out causes ec to rise i have a blue lab pulse 
and when checking in the morning the moisture

0:26:01.680,0:26:08.960
level may be 25 and the ec 1500 as the irrigation 
cycle starts the moisture content starts to rise

0:26:08.960,0:26:14.880
and the ec seems to rise also then the ec 
starts to fall as the moisture continues to

0:26:14.880,0:26:19.840
rise is the ryzen ec due to needing more 
water for the sensor to read properly

0:26:20.880,0:26:28.320
did you get all that yeah i don't know the 
specifics on on what this um blue lab pulse

0:26:28.320,0:26:34.160
meter is using my guess is this is actually just a 
physical parameters of the pot and or the pot size

0:26:34.160,0:26:39.280
as that water content is moving through 
it during an irrigation you know honestly

0:26:39.280,0:26:43.360
when i look at that right off the bat is if 
you're saying 1500 we're talking about ppm

0:26:44.000,0:26:49.600
uh if we convert that with the standard ppm 
500 scale over we're looking at about a 3.0 ec

0:26:50.560,0:26:56.320
if you are pushing enough runoff um basically 
your plants eating through some of that ec in the

0:26:56.320,0:27:02.640
daytime it's dipping below 3.0 when you go ahead 
or 1500 in your case when you go ahead and water

0:27:02.640,0:27:08.880
with a 3.0 ec it's going to come up a little bit 
just because that nutrient solution has more salt

0:27:08.880,0:27:13.920
than your than your media does but it's going 
to go back down a little bit and then as the

0:27:13.920,0:27:20.640
media dries out we do expect to see that you see 
value go up unless it's already a fairly low value

0:27:21.360,0:27:26.640
if we're at a fairly low value which 1500 would 
not be very high 3.0 it would not be surprising

0:27:26.640,0:27:32.400
to see that go from 1 500 down to 1 000 back 
up to 1500 throughout the day if you had 24 7

0:27:32.400,0:27:36.960
data logging yeah ec is a concentration so 
if we have the same amount of nutrients and

0:27:37.520,0:27:43.520
less water then our ec is going to be higher 
and the truth is for vice versa as well yep

0:27:43.520,0:27:48.960
and it's just like i said that as you get to 
the lower range of ec a lot of times we don't

0:27:48.960,0:27:53.440
see the plants behaving quite like we expect 
them to behave at a higher ec in the root zone

0:27:58.000,0:28:00.960
excellent thank you so much pat thank 
you for writing in your question

0:28:01.760,0:28:07.200
we got a question from hippo they wanted to 
know besides doing generative steering is there

0:28:07.200,0:28:15.840
any other way to get the bud to ripen faster 
by adjusting the environment ppfe co2 and dc

0:28:16.880,0:28:22.880
there might be a few things you could try to do 
but typically when we look at uh ppfd for instance

0:28:22.880,0:28:28.560
light intensity okay we want to use as much of 
that light as possible in the timeline we're given

0:28:29.680,0:28:33.760
losing intensity especially if we have a plant 
that you know if we're trying to get it to

0:28:33.760,0:28:37.360
finish that means it's still growing right we're 
still packing on a little bit of weight we're

0:28:37.360,0:28:42.320
still ripening trichomes we don't really want to 
limit any of our crop limiting factors too hard

0:28:43.040,0:28:46.160
so let's say if we a week early 
back off on the light intensity

0:28:47.200,0:28:52.000
well we just created a limitation in the amount of 
energy we have available to the plants same thing

0:28:52.000,0:28:58.880
with water we say oh we're going to run them dryer 
at the top end you're limiting your plants so uh

0:28:58.880,0:29:04.000
you know a lot of it unfortunately will go back 
to genetics there's a few things we can do but

0:29:04.560,0:29:09.600
pretty much once you kick a plant into flowering 
it has a timeline that it has to live on you know

0:29:09.600,0:29:15.120
in a big way we can see that as a lot of screens 
if we run them at 56 days they'll have a certain

0:29:15.120,0:29:24.640
thca percentage versus thc we pull that at 65 you 
might see that ratio reversed so kind of the old

0:29:24.640,0:29:28.880
adage without door growers goes if you want it to 
be done and you think it's about ready wait a week

0:29:30.800,0:29:34.640
you know we're i'll go back to 
it we're just hitting that point

0:29:34.640,0:29:39.040
in genetic development in cannabis where breeders 
are starting to pull together things like

0:29:39.760,0:29:43.280
you know how long is the flowering period 
we're really nailing down some of these

0:29:43.280,0:29:47.920
traits that before we just we you know 
no one had solid crop registration on and

0:29:48.640,0:29:54.080
no one was sharing it so do i want some 
of my strains to finish faster yes but

0:29:54.080,0:29:58.560
do i have to accept the limitations that 
running that strain presents absolutely

0:30:02.720,0:30:07.120
that's it mother nature will always be in charge 
won't she yeah and i do want to stress that there

0:30:07.120,0:30:12.880
are techniques that people will use like drought 
stress or you know low temp stress to try to speed

0:30:12.880,0:30:18.640
that up if we do that we are strongly risking 
damaging the plant and pulling down a less

0:30:18.640,0:30:24.720
healthy plant which isn't what we want you know 
if we're trying to force it to finish or force it

0:30:24.720,0:30:28.080
we are probably compromising some 
quality somewhere along the way or

0:30:28.960,0:30:32.880
you know like if we're talking about temperature 
stress looking at potentially running into

0:30:32.880,0:30:37.520
mold issues and other facility problems 
that we just don't need to have present

0:30:41.280,0:30:45.360
excellent that's great thank you so much eric 
you had another question you want to go ahead and

0:30:45.360,0:30:50.960
admit yourself uh yeah um so one 
question for you guys i recently

0:30:50.960,0:30:56.480
got some winches installed so my lights are 
much easier to adjust i guess up and down so

0:30:57.200,0:31:03.120
you know you get that uh that flexibility 
you'd like and i've been pretty close like

0:31:03.120,0:31:07.760
within that one foot of my canopy and 
i don't see any signs of light burn

0:31:07.760,0:31:13.280
but have you guys noticed anything like other than 
maybe the leaves like my leaves look healthy um

0:31:13.920,0:31:19.840
that would indicate you're pushing too hard and if 
you guys have any guidance there so specifics to

0:31:19.840,0:31:27.440
life cannabis is a very light hungry plant it 
grows fast it can harvest a ton of energy and

0:31:27.440,0:31:32.080
so you know if you're using something like leds i 
don't necessarily get concerned about being within

0:31:32.080,0:31:37.360
a foot of it here's something like hps's you get 
a little concerned because the heat from those is

0:31:37.360,0:31:42.240
going to modify your environment your vpd so the 
relative humidity temperatures are going to be

0:31:43.120,0:31:47.840
less controlled less ideal than you want 
right at the top of the canopy but if your

0:31:47.840,0:31:52.400
light quantities are what you want with that 
led and you're not seeing any negative impacts

0:31:53.520,0:31:58.720
i'd keep doing what you're doing yeah in terms 
of light typically it'll tell you like in the

0:31:58.720,0:32:05.680
led situation i have run lights too close which 
is basically touching them and they turn white

0:32:05.680,0:32:10.400
they bleach pretty hard or you know like with 
the hps basically it just gets really hot the

0:32:10.400,0:32:14.240
closer you get to that light so if you're inside 
i'm guessing you're at led if it's a foot because

0:32:14.240,0:32:20.160
with hps you probably would have have some of 
that clawing dried out bud leaves general torching

0:32:21.200,0:32:27.200
um yeah what do you mean by getting too 
white so basically they'll look albino

0:32:27.200,0:32:30.800
if you have them too close to those 
leds like they'll just bleach it out

0:32:34.800,0:32:40.320
gotcha all right thank you thanks for your 
question eric this is a perfect segue into

0:32:40.320,0:32:44.640
a question we got from ryan at wild west 
genetics they're looking for some advice

0:32:45.200,0:32:49.280
we wrote i have an led room that is about to 
harvest but the plants don't look as finished

0:32:49.280,0:32:54.000
as they normally do in our hps room some plants 
still have light colored hairs when normally

0:32:54.000,0:33:01.760
they look more finished now the canopy is 
at 990 to 1050 mole any thoughts yeah so

0:33:02.720,0:33:07.120
we're looking at the spectrum from leds 
versus hps that's probably going to be the

0:33:07.760,0:33:13.520
factory that's playing in into this and so a 
lot of hps's have quite a bit of red and far red

0:33:14.320,0:33:20.560
typically that's something we'd see in fall and 
that's going to encourage those plants to ripen up

0:33:20.560,0:33:27.200
a little bit with leds they're going to be usually 
closer into the actual photosynthetic ranges

0:33:27.920,0:33:33.120
for chlorophyll a and chlorophyll b so i 
like that sometimes because we can grow

0:33:33.120,0:33:38.400
quite a bit larger plant maybe we'll have to 
extend the harvest session by a few days in order

0:33:38.400,0:33:44.000
to achieve the same ripeness typically you know 
even on top of the efficiencies that we've added

0:33:45.200,0:33:51.200
for utilities of using leds but a lot of times 
you're going to get more weight because they're

0:33:51.200,0:33:55.040
pushing the right wavelength for those plants 
to harvest and it is going to be brand dependent

0:33:55.600,0:34:02.160
fortunately leds have come a long ways in the 
last five to ten years and manufacturers are

0:34:02.160,0:34:07.680
much more likely to have a well-tailored spectrum 
so you know if you have any concerns look up the

0:34:07.680,0:34:14.080
manufacturer the model that you have take a look 
at those spectrums and then do a little bit of

0:34:14.080,0:34:19.680
research on how plants behave yeah and you know 
something to remember because like that hps we're

0:34:19.680,0:34:24.560
running that far red we don't have the ability to 
like slowly bring that in one thing we are doing

0:34:24.560,0:34:28.720
is pushing a little bit of stress on the plant 
that way the whole time by having not quite the

0:34:28.720,0:34:34.560
ideal spectrum so one way to look at it is like 
yes maybe i do add a week switching to leds on

0:34:34.560,0:34:41.040
this strain however that's an extra week to grow 
more mass and i have a more efficient light that's

0:34:41.040,0:34:45.200
allowing me to grow more mass per amount of 
energy i'm putting in in the form of light so

0:34:46.800,0:34:50.800
again do we want them all to finish 
early of course we do but if we can

0:34:50.800,0:34:54.080
work more with the plant rather than against 
it we're always going to get a better result

0:34:54.800,0:35:01.200
and another thing is thinking about the rim 
parameters so your environment with leds because

0:35:01.200,0:35:05.280
you've got less radiation hitting those leaf 
surfaces a lot of times you're going to need

0:35:05.280,0:35:10.080
to up the temperature in your room uh slightly to 
accommodate the change that the plant's feeling

0:35:11.120,0:35:15.760
yeah and that's i mean that's another tool 
that's always good for a grower to have is a

0:35:15.760,0:35:21.120
small laser thermometer go get your leaf temp see 
like how much radiant energy that light's actually

0:35:21.120,0:35:25.920
putting out you know if you're seeing a leaf temp 
that's spiking up in the upper 80s and low 90s

0:35:26.640,0:35:31.200
move your hps up a little bit you know what you 
might find though is like with the leds and a

0:35:31.200,0:35:35.360
lot of them just put out i mean some of the newer 
models with uv supplementation a little bit of far

0:35:35.360,0:35:40.960
red will help out with that leaf temp but a lot of 
growers find that taking that heat source of the

0:35:40.960,0:35:45.440
hps out of the room really does result in having 
to significantly pump up the temperature in there

0:35:46.000,0:35:49.680
like the difference being that before 
they never had to run their heat ever

0:35:50.240,0:35:54.000
and now they have to for quite a bit of 
the year just to get it up to let's say

0:35:54.000,0:36:00.480
82 as a leaf surface tent it's one of the reasons 
we love using paper pressure deficit to analyze

0:36:00.480,0:36:05.520
a room when we think about that temperature being 
higher with hps as well hps's are also burning off

0:36:05.520,0:36:11.040
relative humidity so make sure that you've checked 
in and that your room and those facilities can

0:36:11.600,0:36:16.400
accommodate the change that you've made 
from running hps now and running led lights

0:36:19.360,0:36:24.240
dropping the knowledge i love it okay so just 
a reminder for everybody who's on with us don't

0:36:24.240,0:36:30.160
forget to type your question in the chat 
um this question came in from uh bmg 389

0:36:30.160,0:36:35.360
you guys spoke a little bit earlier about light 
intensity so um they wrote some growers lower

0:36:35.360,0:36:43.600
light intensity and co2 later in flower any cons 
to this save a little money yeah i mean it just

0:36:43.600,0:36:49.840
depends on how much you're talking about lowering 
it obviously uh during the end of the cycle

0:36:49.840,0:36:55.600
the the plan is a little bit less vigorous in the 
amount of growth is it's turning its chemicals

0:36:55.600,0:37:01.200
into a ripened product and so you might be able 
to get away with it as long as you're not seeing

0:37:01.200,0:37:08.320
a significant decrease in your production yeah i 
would you know much much like tapering off your

0:37:08.320,0:37:13.280
nutrient regimen you know do it do it minimally 
you don't have to do it too much and uh you know

0:37:13.280,0:37:19.440
typically as far as light intensity goes um 
we still are not really approaching indoors

0:37:20.320,0:37:26.400
what direct sunlight is outside so lowering it 
back say 20 on your indoor grow light typically

0:37:26.400,0:37:30.880
isn't going to have the same kind of effect as you 
as you know putting a shade glo cloth up outside

0:37:32.400,0:37:37.920
so looking at it you know you'd really to say for 
sure that you want to do that i would want to have

0:37:37.920,0:37:42.960
some trial data and say all right when i did this 
did this in fact increase my terpene content or my

0:37:42.960,0:37:48.640
thc content what what exactly happened because 
some of those pathways too we're talking about

0:37:48.640,0:37:55.840
cannabinoid and terpene formation in the plant 
have to do with time and energy inputs so if we

0:37:55.840,0:37:59.360
don't have intense enough light at the right 
time you know some strains are going to ripen

0:37:59.360,0:38:03.520
earlier but they would actually be ripening 
in some pretty warm months like late august

0:38:03.520,0:38:09.120
early september where they're from we may not 
necessarily need to have a big overnight diff or

0:38:09.120,0:38:14.480
a big you know softening up at the end to try to 
bring them down i think a lot of that knowledge or

0:38:15.200,0:38:19.040
techniques kind of came from the idea that 
you know in the fall we get less intense light

0:38:20.640,0:38:24.960
then that's somewhat true but the far 
red has a much bigger impact on that

0:38:25.760,0:38:29.440
than say lowering your light intensity 
a little bit and as far as co2 goes

0:38:31.040,0:38:36.080
you know if it saves you money cool i 
would just never drop my co2 below my ppfd

0:38:39.680,0:38:45.280
excellent thank you guys um so ryan at wild 
west genetics had a couple other questions

0:38:45.280,0:38:50.800
specifically about um larging harvest data 
in AROYA so they wrote when recording harvest

0:38:50.800,0:38:55.920
data is there a way to specify plants taken for 
live extraction they wouldn't have a dry weight

0:38:58.640,0:39:04.160
so if you're using uh our metric integrated 
version of the software that actually can

0:39:04.160,0:39:09.040
get captured because you're immediately going to 
be putting it in a package however we are still

0:39:09.040,0:39:13.680
coming out with more and more analytic options 
over time to give you control on how you want

0:39:13.680,0:39:18.560
to evaluate your harvest because that's a good 
point we do have several growers that are going

0:39:18.560,0:39:23.600
straight to only fresh frozen for instance or a 
certain portion of their crop is going to fresh

0:39:23.600,0:39:29.520
frozen a certain portion is going straight to 
wet flower we're working on having more options

0:39:29.520,0:39:34.640
to evaluate that and one of those in the future 
would be hopefully you know a historic poll which

0:39:34.640,0:39:38.800
we're looking at being will access some of your 
previous data that's held in compliance databases

0:39:40.240,0:39:45.200
and uh yeah just overall trying to 
get more harvest analytics for you

0:39:48.000,0:39:52.960
success their other question was any plans to 
link harvest data data with metrics so currently

0:39:52.960,0:39:57.840
you can link harvest data to metric yes if you're 
doing it in metric it all pipes right in because

0:39:57.840,0:40:02.560
you're getting the weights directly through arroya 
that data actually is generated in roy and then

0:40:02.560,0:40:08.480
pushed up to metrics so that goes right in but 
then we have to be clear that this functionality

0:40:08.480,0:40:14.800
does depend on where they're located right correct 
yeah so right now market you're in yeah we support

0:40:14.800,0:40:22.320
california colorado michigan massachusetts nevada 
i do believe for the the states that we have an

0:40:22.320,0:40:28.000
inactive metric integration for we're working 
on uh deploying that in other metric states

0:40:28.000,0:40:33.120
one of the exciting things for uh those people 
that we haven't addressed their state yet or are

0:40:33.120,0:40:38.880
not using metric is kept rolling out with 
our generic our generic harvest workflow

0:40:38.880,0:40:43.520
and so that's going to just help people 
capture those harvest weights using

0:40:43.520,0:40:50.800
the rfid and bluetooth scale that we sell with 
the system we call it our touchless harvest system

0:40:50.800,0:40:56.480
it's great because you're not getting trichomes 
all over your uh your computer or your cell phone

0:40:56.480,0:41:02.400
or in your notebook and it's also eliminating any 
of the chances of error because you swipe your

0:41:02.400,0:41:07.280
your tag you weigh up that plant and it's going to 
capture those weights pretty quickly yeah no more

0:41:07.280,0:41:13.440
change in the glove just to try to write it down 
and be able to let go of the pen you know i know

0:41:16.640,0:41:21.360
awesome thank you okay so we have our son who's 
on with us arson uh you have a question you want

0:41:21.360,0:41:28.000
to unmute yourself and ask away yes hi guys uh 
first time viewer again sorry if you went over

0:41:28.000,0:41:34.160
this like a thousand times um i have i have a 
room right now and we just harvested this is my

0:41:34.160,0:41:40.560
i want to say third one fourth one so i've had 
some success but i feel like every time i cut my

0:41:40.560,0:41:44.880
plants and i hang them and going through the 
whole drying and curing process i feel like

0:41:44.880,0:41:50.800
that's where i'm lacking some sort of guidance 
or direction because it always seems to go south

0:41:51.680,0:41:57.600
so i don't really touch the humidity all that 
much i just keep a fan on for air circulation in

0:41:57.600,0:42:04.480
the room and just maintain a temperature of around 
70 degrees more or less um and that normally takes

0:42:04.480,0:42:08.240
about seven to ten days to dry so that's why i 
haven't really been messing with the humidity or

0:42:08.240,0:42:14.480
anything at all um and the curing process once 
we trim the trim the buds and put them in their

0:42:14.480,0:42:22.000
individual packages i uh put in those humidity 
packets to maintain around 62 humidity so i just

0:42:22.000,0:42:25.440
want to know is there anything that i'm doing 
wrong is there anything that i'm doing right

0:42:25.440,0:42:31.200
is there anything i can do better just general 
guidance would be very helpful when when you say

0:42:31.200,0:42:36.160
that part of the process goes south can you detail 
us kind of what uh what goals you're not achieving

0:42:37.680,0:42:44.640
well the the first the very first batch 
that i did i was pulling in about 2.2 to 0.3

0:42:44.640,0:42:50.320
uh pounds per light and then after that i have 
not been able to even hit that so it's been more

0:42:50.320,0:42:55.440
around like 1.7 uh 1.9 i think was that was the 
max that i got and i don't know what's going to

0:42:55.440,0:43:02.160
be the next run this this run but um i'm not 
anticipating it being over 2.7 again or 2.2

0:43:02.160,0:43:07.280
again so i just want to be hitting more yield 
essentially so i don't know if i'm messing up

0:43:07.280,0:43:13.440
on the whole grow or just the drying process but 
um yeah that's the that's the phase i'm in right

0:43:13.440,0:43:21.360
now so i just figured i might ask yeah so this is 
where i would uh utilize different checkpoints of

0:43:21.360,0:43:26.240
data analytics so looking at your wet weights you 
know the wet weights coming through consistently

0:43:26.240,0:43:31.360
or you know is it you know a decreased 
proficiency in the cultivation that's actually

0:43:31.360,0:43:39.360
uh less dry yield uh if those wet weights 
are all fairly same we endure increasing your

0:43:39.360,0:43:46.240
decrease then definitely take a look at the drying 
process and that means attributing your cultivars

0:43:46.240,0:43:52.480
are you know we're looking at cultivars that maybe 
just dry lose more wet weight than others and so

0:43:52.480,0:43:58.080
obviously those variables are going to help you 
determine which uh which process to to take a look

0:43:58.080,0:44:05.120
at and how to run that one of the tools that we do 
sell is called a water activity meter and it's a

0:44:05.120,0:44:11.520
very common sensor and industrial applications 
of uh cereal manufacturing uh jerky process

0:44:11.520,0:44:18.000
control and any of those other food industries 
it's actually what we've used the sensor for uh

0:44:18.000,0:44:23.200
quite a bit here in the history of meter group so 
we're selling those into the cannabis industries

0:44:23.200,0:44:29.280
that you can go in and document what the the dry 
downs or the water activity you know the loss of

0:44:29.280,0:44:36.560
moisture during your dry cycle looks like and help 
you really standardize and make sure that your

0:44:36.560,0:44:42.800
your product is going out safe so if we do 
have a plant that's got much larger buds we

0:44:42.800,0:44:47.360
may need to keep it in the room a little bit 
longer and by documenting that water activity

0:44:47.360,0:44:52.720
you'll know exactly when to be taking it out to 
achieve the correct wet weight keep the quality

0:44:52.720,0:44:56.960
of the product up and then also keep that 
weight on the bud and make sure that it is

0:44:56.960,0:45:03.040
going to be satisfying your test constraints for 
sale yeah if if you haven't been having you know

0:45:03.040,0:45:08.480
any quality problems or big problems with mold 
forming in your dry room i would keep doing what

0:45:08.480,0:45:13.360
you're doing for the most part typically i run a 
little bit lower temp you know around 60 and 62

0:45:15.360,0:45:21.200
but otherwise if you're not if quality is not your 
problem i would definitely be looking more into

0:45:21.200,0:45:26.800
the cultivation side however one thing to always 
watch out for you know seven to ten days for some

0:45:26.800,0:45:32.800
strains is a little even on the short side um 
having some kind of sensor in the room so we can

0:45:32.800,0:45:36.960
monitor you know humidity in the room while it's 
drying down and try to keep things consistent is

0:45:36.960,0:45:40.960
pretty key because we want to get past a certain 
point when we first dry down to avoid mold

0:45:41.600,0:45:47.280
then we want to slow that process down if we dry 
too fast that cure is just not going to work right

0:45:47.920,0:45:52.400
if that's bone dry in there we can't get the 
chemical breakdown we want we can't get that

0:45:52.400,0:45:58.000
quality cure so another thing to kind of think 
about uh you know as i mentioned those those

0:45:58.000,0:46:04.080
data choke points if you will is thinking about 
the other handling involved with that product so

0:46:04.080,0:46:11.360
if you are carrying it just perfect and it ends 
up in a processing room you know maybe during

0:46:11.920,0:46:19.200
breakdown trim rolling whatever your post process 
is there are that humidity might be able to be

0:46:19.200,0:46:25.040
increased in those rooms to to help that product 
stay at just the right water activity now if that

0:46:25.040,0:46:30.720
water activity goes in it's a .55 on those plants 
and then they go into a room that's 30 percent

0:46:30.720,0:46:36.800
humidity they're going to actively lose weight and 
they're going to lose some quality to that room

0:46:36.800,0:46:41.840
trying to get to equilibrium with the humidity 
in any environment that they're residing in

0:46:42.640,0:46:46.640
absolutely that's a good point bringing 
up processing and uh you know especially

0:46:46.640,0:46:51.760
joint rolling a lot of times that is not the 
quickest process the product is you know in an

0:46:51.760,0:46:56.000
open environment for a fair amount of time we're 
working with something that we grind you know

0:46:56.000,0:46:59.680
there's a few different ways to do that but we're 
grinding it up we're exposing more surface area

0:47:00.320,0:47:05.280
so that's that's another point you know we want 
to make sure that we're keeping that consistent

0:47:05.280,0:47:11.040
the whole time all the way into packaging 
uh yeah we're just losing grams to the air

0:47:13.280,0:47:17.680
and so just you know a good example is 
if our product goes into a processing

0:47:17.680,0:47:22.880
room and the product is at 0.55 for 
water activity if our room is at 55

0:47:22.880,0:47:27.840
humidity there's going to be no increase or 
decrease in the water activity of that product

0:47:32.880,0:47:39.200
arson did that answer your question absolutely 
did thank you so much gentlemen awesome thank

0:47:39.200,0:47:43.200
you for joining us and for submitting your 
question we we're happy to have you and

0:47:43.200,0:47:47.600
would love to send you an AROYA hat if you're up 
for uh dropping your email address in the chat

0:47:49.440,0:47:53.440
yeah for sure i'll do that right now wonderful 
excellent and then that's a reminder everybody

0:47:53.440,0:47:57.200
else on with us if you ask a question for 
the first time live we will send you a hat

0:47:57.760,0:48:01.760
um all right well we've got a few more 
questions just to close out the show just

0:48:01.760,0:48:07.600
kind of some general looks like some crop steering 
questions so let's get to this one from space dog

0:48:07.600,0:48:13.760
select they want to know what's more important 
substrate conditions or hitting specific drybacks

0:48:15.200,0:48:22.720
i think drybacks are a substrate condition um so 
i guess it's gonna be really hard to prioritize

0:48:22.720,0:48:28.560
those because they are interrelated uh you 
know obviously if your substrate conditions are

0:48:28.560,0:48:32.880
way off maybe you dried back too much or 
you didn't get back up to field capacity

0:48:34.880,0:48:39.120
not sure where to go with this question yeah 
so i think there's a few things to talk about

0:48:39.120,0:48:43.440
here like substrate condition in terms of how 
well it's maintained the functionality we want

0:48:43.440,0:48:49.840
it to so in terms of rock wool really value your 
rockwell's ability to retain water and have a high

0:48:49.840,0:48:55.520
field capacity over pushing a bigger dryback 
so let's say we're running 55 field capacity

0:48:56.080,0:49:02.800
or at 55 in our rockwool and we just had a 
burning desire to run a 30 dryback because

0:49:02.800,0:49:08.480
we've heard that's cool um yeah losing 
your field capacity is not worth it

0:49:09.600,0:49:14.480
basically you know your media is what's 
keeping your plant alive so we always have

0:49:14.480,0:49:20.800
to work inside of keeping that media inside of 
a good you know a workable range of conditions

0:49:21.520,0:49:27.120
so as jason said they're very interrelated but you 
can start looking at with different media types

0:49:27.120,0:49:30.560
where the limits to your dryback might 
need to be to maintain those conditions

0:49:31.360,0:49:35.680
so in rockwool you know we're trying to keep it 
above 35-40 percent all the time and in cocoa

0:49:35.680,0:49:39.920
usually call about 20 percent the bottom 
line just so we don't have a plant that's

0:49:39.920,0:49:44.080
on the other end of the table that's a little 
drier than the others hit 12 and actually wilt

0:49:48.720,0:49:54.800
wonderfully guys thank you so much i think this 
is a good one for us to close off on here los

0:49:54.800,0:50:01.040
greene goss wrote in why is it important to give 
intervals between shots during irrigation and how

0:50:01.040,0:50:07.440
long max should i wait great question uh i think 
we hit it a little bit earlier on just talking

0:50:07.440,0:50:13.520
about giving the substrate a chance to to soak 
up so that's capillary effect of a substrate

0:50:13.520,0:50:17.280
be slightly different for different 
types of medias rockwool for example

0:50:17.280,0:50:24.960
has very good capillary effect just because it's 
a unanimous it's very consistent uniform product

0:50:24.960,0:50:29.760
and i think i've used this analogy a couple 
times before and it's just a you know dry sponge

0:50:29.760,0:50:36.240
and so if we've got a dry kitchen sponge and we've 
got it under a sink that's dripping slightly then

0:50:36.240,0:50:41.040
it's going to help get that entire thing 
saturated up as the capillary effect

0:50:41.040,0:50:47.040
pulls moisture throughout the sponge now if 
we've got the sink on high it's very likely

0:50:47.040,0:50:51.760
just going to saturate the middle of the sponge 
and then start running through the bottom before

0:50:51.760,0:50:56.560
the capillary effect has the ability to catch up 
so it's one of the reasons that we like lower flow

0:50:56.560,0:51:03.680
drip emitters and it's one of the reasons that we 
do intervals in between shots yep and we also want

0:51:03.680,0:51:09.200
to maintain a healthy root zone so for instance 
if we had a dripper running on there let's say

0:51:09.200,0:51:15.200
24 7 constant flow we're really not giving the 
chance for the media to drain a little bit and

0:51:15.200,0:51:20.400
pull air down into the root zone we really 
need a heavily oxygenated environment so

0:51:20.960,0:51:25.040
if we're you're getting too much and not allowing 
a dryback like let's say we're trying to go for a

0:51:25.040,0:51:30.160
point one percent and maintain a straight line 
all afternoon we're not giving the planet the

0:51:30.880,0:51:34.960
media a chance to have any you know the right 
amount of water and air movement through it

0:51:35.840,0:51:42.400
which is very essential yeah and so it's a 
it's a vacuum that i mean is caused so when

0:51:42.400,0:51:47.280
we irrigate that water is going to pull 
down through the substrate and behind

0:51:47.280,0:51:54.240
it it's pulling fresh oxygen and basically 
rejuvenating those roots uh easy indicator that

0:51:54.240,0:52:00.400
there's not enough oxygen or maybe some other 
issue is roots that are a little brownish so

0:52:00.400,0:52:06.720
obviously we're looking for very healthy robust 
white roots uh some people do increase the

0:52:06.720,0:52:13.040
dissolved oxygen in their fertigation systems to 
also help provide that uh that fresh air the roots

0:52:14.160,0:52:18.320
oh yeah absolutely that's you know that's probably 
one of the keys there just watch for those

0:52:18.320,0:52:24.000
traditional over underwatering stress signs if 
your block is super wet and your plants wilted

0:52:24.000,0:52:29.120
and it's kind of squishy down by the base you got 
brown roots you're probably not really letting it

0:52:29.120,0:52:34.160
get enough of a dry back and really uh 
refresh the root zone it's drowning yep

0:52:38.320,0:52:41.840
amazing thank you guys you also have me 
uh thinking i gotta take a look at my

0:52:41.840,0:52:46.560
little can of babies in the backyard i am a 
notorious over waterer i'm always so worried

0:52:48.560,0:52:55.760
get some pearlite get some pearl okay excellent 
i'm on it you guys posted um seth and jason thank

0:52:55.760,0:53:00.560
you so much for what an excellent conversation 
thanks to everyone who's on with us today and

0:53:00.560,0:53:05.760
submitted a question and thanks to folks who wrote 
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0:53:05.760,0:53:10.400
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0:53:10.400,0:53:14.480
how could be used to improve your cultivation 
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0:53:14.480,0:53:19.840
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0:53:19.840,0:53:25.600
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0:53:25.600,0:53:30.080
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0:53:41.120,0:53:55.840
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0:54:21.280,0:54:21.780
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