WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.672 --> 00:00:25.992 Anke: Hello. 00:00:26.012 --> 00:00:26.592 Hello. 00:00:26.922 --> 00:00:27.192 Hello. 00:00:27.222 --> 00:00:28.142 Welcome, Aileen. 00:00:28.212 --> 00:00:30.932 I'm like super excited to have you here. 00:00:31.072 --> 00:00:33.702 We've been chatting for a while, so it doesn't feel that 00:00:33.712 --> 00:00:33.932 Aileen: new 00:00:33.932 --> 00:00:34.432 Anke: anymore. 00:00:35.232 --> 00:00:36.552 Aileen: It doesn't, but I love it. 00:00:36.582 --> 00:00:38.372 We've been, you're wonderful to talk to. 00:00:39.442 --> 00:00:42.052 Anke: And so you are wonderful to talk to as well. 00:00:42.052 --> 00:00:44.642 And listeners are going to get a little glimpse of that. 00:00:44.682 --> 00:00:48.412 So let's just start out, let people know where in this lovely world 00:00:48.412 --> 00:00:50.782 you are, your little type of thing. 00:00:50.782 --> 00:00:51.962 It gives it a little bit away. 00:00:51.982 --> 00:00:53.792 And so what's your business with dogs? 00:00:55.452 --> 00:01:00.992 Aileen: I live in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I own a company where we help new 00:01:01.042 --> 00:01:07.282 parents, um, manage their relationship with their dogs and we help their, help 00:01:07.282 --> 00:01:09.312 them get their dogs ready for baby. 00:01:10.552 --> 00:01:11.092 Anke: I love that. 00:01:11.092 --> 00:01:15.382 I love that because it's such a, you know, I mean, I guess it's one of those times 00:01:15.422 --> 00:01:19.672 where people kind of, Oh, I've got a baby now, like the dog's going to go, right? 00:01:19.672 --> 00:01:21.792 So the idea is that the dog doesn't have to go. 00:01:22.212 --> 00:01:25.072 What's the Biggest challenge in that. 00:01:26.417 --> 00:01:27.627 Like, why is it hard? 00:01:29.067 --> 00:01:32.637 Aileen: Honestly, the biggest challenge is the humans getting 00:01:32.797 --> 00:01:40.077 everyone on the same page with the same goal of, and an agreement of 00:01:40.077 --> 00:01:42.007 how they want their family life. 00:01:42.262 --> 00:01:43.612 To feel. 00:01:44.112 --> 00:01:49.702 Um, and so the biggest challenge is one convincing people that they shouldn't 00:01:49.702 --> 00:01:52.032 wait until baby's here to work it out. 00:01:52.452 --> 00:01:57.652 And two, that it is worth, uh, giving your dog a structure 00:01:57.652 --> 00:02:01.692 beforehand to make this transition so much less stressful for them. 00:02:03.457 --> 00:02:05.827 Anke: So what, what, what do you mean by structure? 00:02:05.827 --> 00:02:06.487 What would that look like? 00:02:07.927 --> 00:02:12.137 Aileen: Um, you know, having their basic skills down, knowing what rooms 00:02:12.157 --> 00:02:14.137 the dog is allowed and not allowed in. 00:02:14.207 --> 00:02:18.977 I have a couple of rules, kind of like the dog doesn't go in the baby's nursery 00:02:18.977 --> 00:02:21.087 or anywhere that the baby is sleeping. 00:02:21.467 --> 00:02:26.587 Uh, those first few weeks when baby's really little and tiny and we're 00:02:26.587 --> 00:02:29.897 not sleeping well, um, it's really. 00:02:30.247 --> 00:02:33.647 Uh, dogs will want to come in and they will want to be close to 00:02:33.647 --> 00:02:34.917 you and they will want to help. 00:02:35.237 --> 00:02:39.547 And sometimes that can be really difficult to manage when you have a teeny tiny baby 00:02:39.547 --> 00:02:40.977 in the dark in the middle of the night. 00:02:41.287 --> 00:02:45.647 And so making this whole thing so much less stressful for them and saying, 00:02:45.897 --> 00:02:47.617 this is where I do want you to sleep. 00:02:47.627 --> 00:02:50.407 And I don't, I want to relieve you of the burden of being 00:02:50.407 --> 00:02:52.157 responsible for helping me. 00:02:52.587 --> 00:02:55.882 Um, um, And then knowing when you do want them included. 00:02:56.172 --> 00:03:01.902 And so structure is really just knowing what you want, and knowing what you 00:03:01.912 --> 00:03:04.462 want that whole thing to look like. 00:03:05.392 --> 00:03:07.852 And so it's going to be different for everybody, it's going to be different 00:03:07.852 --> 00:03:10.862 for every temperament, it's going to be different for every family. 00:03:12.332 --> 00:03:15.942 And yeah, just coming, like knowing exactly what that looks like going 00:03:15.952 --> 00:03:20.002 into it will alleviate a lot of the uncertainty when baby arrives. 00:03:21.332 --> 00:03:26.552 Anke: So what are typical things that people are maybe worried about? 00:03:26.912 --> 00:03:30.912 And you know, like I was saying when we were chatting before, 00:03:30.912 --> 00:03:35.332 It's like my grandma who had the dog who was 10 when I was born. 00:03:35.332 --> 00:03:37.682 And now all of a sudden, like, Oh, you're going to have to 00:03:37.682 --> 00:03:39.752 look after the grand baby. 00:03:40.212 --> 00:03:45.142 And everybody told her, Oh my God, the older, like the dog's kind of older 00:03:45.192 --> 00:03:47.312 and he's not going to accept the baby. 00:03:47.312 --> 00:03:47.962 Is that a thing? 00:03:48.052 --> 00:03:48.752 Is that true? 00:03:50.122 --> 00:03:53.932 Aileen: I mean, for some dogs that can be, but in my experience, older 00:03:53.932 --> 00:03:57.322 dogs tend to, um, be really good. 00:03:57.392 --> 00:03:58.922 They, they tend to be a lot. 00:03:59.317 --> 00:04:03.247 more in tune or aware of the energy of the situation. 00:04:03.607 --> 00:04:07.507 So a senior dog who is uncomfortable is likely is going to be more likely 00:04:07.507 --> 00:04:11.147 to get up and leave a situation that makes them feel uncomfortable. 00:04:11.777 --> 00:04:14.047 They're going to have a lot lower energy needs. 00:04:14.487 --> 00:04:19.952 Um, and I mean, in our case, we had a dog that was totally deaf, so he never heard. 00:04:20.092 --> 00:04:24.552 The baby crying, you wouldn't even wake up to those types of things. 00:04:24.552 --> 00:04:31.192 Uh, but you know, for senior dogs, it can, the things that can be stressful is 00:04:31.192 --> 00:04:35.092 just the biggest change in the amount of time they used to spend with their person. 00:04:35.562 --> 00:04:44.542 And so it is important to know that that can create stress for them. 00:04:44.602 --> 00:04:49.232 And how can you alleviate that by having Time, like what 00:04:49.232 --> 00:04:50.602 does time together look like? 00:04:50.602 --> 00:04:51.982 How can you lean on your partner? 00:04:51.992 --> 00:04:55.702 How can you lean on your community to alleviate that for the dog? 00:04:57.982 --> 00:04:58.962 Anke: So, so 00:05:01.372 --> 00:05:05.572 are there particular like behavior changes or like things that are common? 00:05:05.592 --> 00:05:07.902 Whereas like all of a sudden there's this little baby, you know, 00:05:07.902 --> 00:05:09.052 but it's the time for the dog. 00:05:09.072 --> 00:05:13.142 So are there, you know, would that be a time when all of a sudden the dog gets 00:05:13.262 --> 00:05:15.712 more anxious or does things differ? 00:05:15.752 --> 00:05:15.942 Oh, yeah. 00:05:16.642 --> 00:05:17.312 Aileen: Definitely. 00:05:17.312 --> 00:05:21.482 A big complaint I hear from people is their dog is following them around. 00:05:21.792 --> 00:05:25.752 So when women become pregnant, they go, Oh, my dog totally knows I'm pregnant. 00:05:25.762 --> 00:05:27.292 He won't stop following me around. 00:05:27.462 --> 00:05:29.372 He wants to be connected to me all the time. 00:05:29.422 --> 00:05:33.852 Well, now all of a sudden, when you have a baby, Caring a baby that is 00:05:33.882 --> 00:05:36.312 annoying and scary and frightening. 00:05:36.782 --> 00:05:41.102 And so those anxious behaviors, a lot of time, I tell people, your dog 00:05:41.102 --> 00:05:43.812 doesn't always know you're pregnant, but they do know you're different. 00:05:44.112 --> 00:05:47.977 And so when you're pregnant, you're less likely to Uh, maintain 00:05:47.977 --> 00:05:50.927 rules or ask for certain things. 00:05:51.177 --> 00:05:54.587 You know, that whole first trimester, we do a lot of laying around and 00:05:54.587 --> 00:05:57.557 sleeping in bed, and we love having our dog being a part of that. 00:05:57.887 --> 00:06:01.307 But what we're not thinking about is what is this going to feel like when 00:06:01.307 --> 00:06:03.667 I have a baby that is a part of this? 00:06:03.697 --> 00:06:09.037 And so some of the, the, you know, that following around that stressful behavior. 00:06:09.597 --> 00:06:14.927 It is important to start teaching the dogs while you're pregnant, what you 00:06:14.927 --> 00:06:16.667 expect when the baby first arrives. 00:06:16.707 --> 00:06:19.947 And just like when the baby first arrives, you want to start teaching them what's 00:06:19.947 --> 00:06:21.917 expected when baby starts crawling. 00:06:22.237 --> 00:06:26.757 So you kind of always want to be like one developmental phase in training 00:06:27.047 --> 00:06:29.367 ahead of where your baby currently is. 00:06:29.747 --> 00:06:30.857 Anke: Oh, I love that. 00:06:31.167 --> 00:06:34.107 So my, my guess is that's not what people usually do, right? 00:06:34.767 --> 00:06:40.117 So when, you know, If somebody wants to write, to do the right thing, 00:06:40.417 --> 00:06:46.177 you know, when's the best time to let's say work with you to, to 00:06:46.177 --> 00:06:48.567 address and get, get ready properly. 00:06:49.337 --> 00:06:52.057 Obviously not when the baby's due in two days, right? 00:06:52.807 --> 00:06:53.047 I 00:06:53.197 --> 00:06:56.287 Aileen: have that happen a lot, but I do have an online course that 00:06:56.287 --> 00:06:59.742 people can watch and, and it'll give them, you know, the best. 00:06:59.742 --> 00:07:01.432 Basics of what they need to know. 00:07:01.462 --> 00:07:06.592 Things like having your dog lay in one, one spot on their bed in training. 00:07:06.592 --> 00:07:09.832 We call that place, having them understand that they can be a part 00:07:09.832 --> 00:07:13.972 of things at the door, but they don't necessarily have to be in the room with 00:07:13.972 --> 00:07:15.502 you while you're changing the baby. 00:07:15.902 --> 00:07:20.922 Um, Teaching them that like, if you're walking into their space, we 00:07:20.922 --> 00:07:22.722 need them to move out of the way. 00:07:23.082 --> 00:07:27.822 Uh, I don't recommend climbing over an 80 pound dog while you're holding a baby. 00:07:27.822 --> 00:07:30.382 There's a good chance you're going to trip or they're going to get nervous 00:07:30.392 --> 00:07:31.282 and they're going to get scared. 00:07:31.662 --> 00:07:36.342 So the best time to start training is when you very first find out that you're 00:07:36.342 --> 00:07:38.562 going to be adding a baby to your family. 00:07:38.902 --> 00:07:40.812 Um, and so don't wait. 00:07:41.037 --> 00:07:44.807 Don't wait until a week before because that's what creates the stress. 00:07:44.867 --> 00:07:48.237 It is going to be stressful bringing home a baby no matter what. 00:07:48.737 --> 00:07:54.507 So the dog just, we don't want the dog to associate that stress and that change with 00:07:54.507 --> 00:07:56.027 the newborn that you just brought home. 00:07:56.037 --> 00:07:59.967 We want them to have wonderful, positive associations to each other. 00:08:01.427 --> 00:08:03.607 Anke: I saw something somewhere in the video. 00:08:04.017 --> 00:08:11.137 Where they, um, prepare, like, basically, before they brought the baby home, they 00:08:11.137 --> 00:08:15.867 basically had, they showed, they gave the dog, like, clothes that the baby had worn. 00:08:16.347 --> 00:08:19.537 So it was literally, like, kind of the day or a couple of days before, when the baby 00:08:19.537 --> 00:08:21.337 was born, before they actually got home. 00:08:21.687 --> 00:08:25.487 So that by the time the baby was in the basket, the dog 00:08:25.487 --> 00:08:26.857 was familiar with the smell. 00:08:26.857 --> 00:08:28.917 Is that something that you'd recommend somebody does? 00:08:29.922 --> 00:08:34.742 Aileen: I think the most important piece of that, I, it can be good, but 00:08:34.882 --> 00:08:38.732 we always want to remember that it's most important how the dog is behaving 00:08:38.732 --> 00:08:40.312 when we share that scent with them. 00:08:40.612 --> 00:08:45.212 So if we say, here is the scent of your new human sibling, and they get 00:08:45.212 --> 00:08:47.522 really excited and they take it in their mouth and they run all over and 00:08:47.522 --> 00:08:50.692 they're like, Oh, that is startling. 00:08:50.972 --> 00:08:54.732 Now, if you introduce that scent and they take a nice long whiff, then they 00:08:54.732 --> 00:08:56.782 walk away from it calmly and lay down. 00:08:57.032 --> 00:08:58.212 That's beautiful. 00:08:58.512 --> 00:09:02.122 And so it is something that's important. 00:09:02.142 --> 00:09:06.132 We just want to make sure that what we're rewarding that scent 00:09:06.132 --> 00:09:08.952 with is a nice calm energy. 00:09:09.292 --> 00:09:13.062 Um, there will be plenty of time for them to play down the road, but when 00:09:13.062 --> 00:09:17.982 your baby is really teeny tiny and in a bassinet and, you know, doing, you 00:09:17.982 --> 00:09:22.092 know, snugly sleepy time, that is not the best time to have a bunch of excitement. 00:09:22.352 --> 00:09:25.882 So the most important component to that scent is. 00:09:26.097 --> 00:09:29.347 What is the dog doing when it smells it? 00:09:29.377 --> 00:09:33.967 And how can you gear that towards a nice calm reaction? 00:09:35.367 --> 00:09:38.077 Anke: I mean, to be honest, in that video, they did that really 00:09:38.077 --> 00:09:42.207 well because the whole, it was such a beautiful, calm moment. 00:09:42.257 --> 00:09:46.857 And then when they basically brought the baby in, what the dog did, the dog went 00:09:46.947 --> 00:09:51.302 and Walk the blanket and put it on the baby, you know, it was like really sweet. 00:09:53.262 --> 00:09:57.912 So you were like, we were like, obviously we were chatting before, so, but I would 00:09:57.912 --> 00:10:02.872 love you to kind of touch on this whole topic of, you know, when the baby is teeny 00:10:02.912 --> 00:10:07.932 tiny, and so that has its challenges, you know, because they're just delicate 00:10:07.972 --> 00:10:10.122 and you can't have them rocking around. 00:10:10.522 --> 00:10:17.097 But, um, You know, what is something that people need to keep in mind when teeny 00:10:17.097 --> 00:10:21.527 weeny baby grows up to be a toddler who is the rough one in the relationship? 00:10:22.697 --> 00:10:25.897 Aileen: Well, there's a big change when babies start crawling and 00:10:25.897 --> 00:10:28.767 walking because now all of a sudden the tables have turned. 00:10:29.187 --> 00:10:31.897 When the baby is small and being held a lot, the dog can 00:10:31.897 --> 00:10:32.927 come into the baby's stomach. 00:10:32.927 --> 00:10:36.287 It's like, okay, I'm gonna take my dog in my space, sniff, smell, and then leave. 00:10:36.287 --> 00:10:39.807 But when the baby starts crawling and walking, now all of a sudden the baby can 00:10:39.817 --> 00:10:42.817 enter the dog's space without permission. 00:10:43.197 --> 00:10:45.507 And that can be really frightening for the dog. 00:10:45.757 --> 00:10:49.907 And that's one of those situations where you do want the dog to learn to walk away. 00:10:49.997 --> 00:10:53.207 One, from any situation that makes it feel uncomfortable, and that's whether 00:10:53.207 --> 00:10:55.217 it's good to have safe spaces for them. 00:10:55.227 --> 00:10:58.447 Like a bed or a crate where baby is not allowed. 00:10:59.102 --> 00:11:01.202 And it's also why supervision is so important. 00:11:01.532 --> 00:11:04.102 I don't ever want parents to get into a place where they feel so 00:11:04.112 --> 00:11:08.312 comfortable, even if it's just to walk away and grab your coffee. 00:11:09.122 --> 00:11:12.162 That's when those things happen, a snap or a growl. 00:11:12.192 --> 00:11:14.152 It's when you didn't see. 00:11:14.522 --> 00:11:15.592 What was coming. 00:11:15.822 --> 00:11:20.152 I recently had someone send me a video of their dog laying on the floor. 00:11:20.192 --> 00:11:23.622 And I think the baby is about 20 months old and she's walking over and she's 00:11:23.622 --> 00:11:25.582 got a baby doll and she's all happy. 00:11:25.602 --> 00:11:28.732 And then it enters maybe like two feet of the dog space. 00:11:29.362 --> 00:11:31.182 And the parent was in the kitchen. 00:11:31.182 --> 00:11:33.982 So the parent was, it went dog, baby, parent. 00:11:34.532 --> 00:11:35.222 And. 00:11:36.377 --> 00:11:40.197 That's never good, especially when baby is walking and dog 00:11:40.197 --> 00:11:42.067 isn't comfortable with that yet. 00:11:42.347 --> 00:11:47.367 And the dog went from asleep to standing up, not standing all the way, but 00:11:47.367 --> 00:11:50.917 going to a raised position and kind of growled and barked at the child. 00:11:50.947 --> 00:11:52.137 And of course the child was. 00:11:52.152 --> 00:11:59.102 Um, and so that's a situation where it, it happens that quickly and that easily 00:11:59.122 --> 00:12:03.342 that a moment that doesn't seem scary can become really scary, really fast. 00:12:03.702 --> 00:12:07.392 Um, and that dog was just saying, Hey, my space is being invaded in a way 00:12:07.392 --> 00:12:08.972 that I don't feel comfortable with. 00:12:09.392 --> 00:12:11.772 Um, and no one's here to be the lifeguard. 00:12:12.112 --> 00:12:15.532 So just remembering that you are a lifeguard in all situations. 00:12:16.357 --> 00:12:18.017 And you're responsible for coaching the dog. 00:12:18.057 --> 00:12:20.517 The dog doesn't have to sit there and tolerate things that 00:12:20.517 --> 00:12:22.027 it doesn't want to tolerate. 00:12:22.387 --> 00:12:27.377 And then also teaching the child, uh, some boundaries to the dog, because 00:12:27.377 --> 00:12:29.027 that will keep your child safe. 00:12:29.507 --> 00:12:29.977 Anke: Hmm. 00:12:30.307 --> 00:12:34.217 I mean, that's something that like, you know, living in Spain, I've seen a lot 00:12:34.267 --> 00:12:40.537 where, you know, people are pretty tough on the dog and make no effort to teach. 00:12:41.552 --> 00:12:43.472 you know the kids, anything really you know. 00:12:43.472 --> 00:12:48.392 So it's almost like the dog's expected to just put up with whatever you know. 00:12:48.392 --> 00:12:52.422 And we're kind of like riding on the dog and pulling on the ears and you know 00:12:52.522 --> 00:12:54.732 so and I was like, what, what, what? 00:12:54.732 --> 00:12:59.342 You know, so, what, what are some you know I don't know is that 00:12:59.342 --> 00:13:00.622 even the thing where you are? 00:13:00.622 --> 00:13:01.052 Because. 00:13:01.992 --> 00:13:06.082 And I don't think that's a thing in Germany where I'm from, so I've not 00:13:06.092 --> 00:13:10.772 experienced it there that parents would let their kids just pounce on 00:13:10.772 --> 00:13:13.932 their own dogs or on strange dogs. 00:13:13.932 --> 00:13:14.712 Unfortunately, 00:13:15.402 --> 00:13:18.552 Aileen: I see it a lot more than I'd like to. 00:13:18.572 --> 00:13:20.382 We see it a lot on social media. 00:13:20.607 --> 00:13:21.157 You know what I mean? 00:13:21.157 --> 00:13:25.887 I think sometimes these videos of kids doing things and look at how 00:13:25.887 --> 00:13:30.317 tolerant the dog is, people share those things because they just aren't 00:13:30.327 --> 00:13:36.407 realizing the sometimes global impact of that imprint of information. 00:13:36.777 --> 00:13:39.692 It really, dogs are not toys. 00:13:40.392 --> 00:13:43.612 And they are not playmates to, to children. 00:13:44.082 --> 00:13:50.522 Um, babies in particular, especially, you know, toddlers who, as we discussed, are 00:13:50.562 --> 00:13:53.642 not prone to listening or cooperation. 00:13:54.232 --> 00:13:59.102 Like you have to be the one that sets that boundary for them as 00:13:59.102 --> 00:14:00.692 much as you set it for the dog. 00:14:01.062 --> 00:14:04.312 There is not in any relationship, it's not entirely. 00:14:04.622 --> 00:14:08.452 One party's responsibility to be in control all of the time. 00:14:08.732 --> 00:14:11.512 That's a shared responsibility in the family. 00:14:11.792 --> 00:14:15.352 And so if we put our dogs under so much pressure, they're not going to have 00:14:15.352 --> 00:14:16.602 any choice but to use the technology. 00:14:17.352 --> 00:14:21.562 Their body, which is the only thing they have to say, Hey, I don't like that. 00:14:21.572 --> 00:14:23.002 And no one is advocating. 00:14:23.432 --> 00:14:27.862 So we definitely, we want to be an advocate for both the dog and the 00:14:27.862 --> 00:14:31.302 baby, and we want to be a teacher to both the dog and the baby. 00:14:31.782 --> 00:14:36.402 Um, it would be really unfair to just ask a dog to tolerate 00:14:36.482 --> 00:14:39.222 an endless, you know, torture 00:14:40.232 --> 00:14:40.302 Anke: from 00:14:40.302 --> 00:14:40.362 Aileen: a 00:14:40.592 --> 00:14:40.922 Anke: child. 00:14:41.072 --> 00:14:43.672 It's like, you know, kids can be, you know, very. 00:14:44.007 --> 00:14:46.597 You know, they have a lot of energy, like they can go on for 00:14:46.597 --> 00:14:48.567 a bit, you know, so it's, yeah. 00:14:49.347 --> 00:14:52.627 Aileen: And some kids, I mean, just like dogs have different temperaments. 00:14:52.637 --> 00:14:55.807 Like I do, I do think that a little bit of resilience in 00:14:55.807 --> 00:14:57.927 a family pet is a good thing. 00:14:58.347 --> 00:15:02.437 And that comes down to like choosing the, if you are, if you know that 00:15:02.437 --> 00:15:05.897 kids are in your future, then you may not want to go out and get the most. 00:15:07.027 --> 00:15:09.557 To sound dog on the block. 00:15:09.847 --> 00:15:12.697 You may want to have a dog that has a little bit more resilience 00:15:12.797 --> 00:15:15.247 to, you know, things that kids do. 00:15:15.707 --> 00:15:20.627 And, uh, so making that good choice in the beginning and then also, you 00:15:20.627 --> 00:15:24.467 know, helping them become acclimated to what life is like with kids. 00:15:24.777 --> 00:15:25.257 It's. 00:15:26.047 --> 00:15:29.167 You know, I always tell parents, it's just hard to manage it all. 00:15:29.177 --> 00:15:31.707 Even with people, I have a dog training business. 00:15:31.707 --> 00:15:33.237 We have a boarding side of our business. 00:15:33.237 --> 00:15:34.577 We're in people's homes a lot. 00:15:35.037 --> 00:15:38.177 You know, we have, we do, we're very active in our community. 00:15:38.557 --> 00:15:42.657 And I talk to moms sometimes and they say, I don't know how you do it. 00:15:42.737 --> 00:15:44.017 And I'm like, I don't. 00:15:44.312 --> 00:15:44.872 I don't. 00:15:44.882 --> 00:15:46.632 Some days I don't do it all. 00:15:46.652 --> 00:15:51.022 Like, some days the, you know, things don't get done, or don't get 00:15:51.022 --> 00:15:52.832 done right, or don't get done well. 00:15:53.132 --> 00:15:56.292 Like, this is a really hard thing to do, to be in charge of 00:15:56.972 --> 00:15:58.452 all of these living creatures. 00:15:58.952 --> 00:16:02.622 Making sure they're all, you know, living together peacefully. 00:16:03.412 --> 00:16:03.902 It's hard. 00:16:03.902 --> 00:16:07.537 Anke: I guess the thing is, the thing is, if you do get it right, You 00:16:07.537 --> 00:16:10.537 know, it's like the most beautiful thing, you know, because like, if 00:16:10.537 --> 00:16:13.977 you mentioned like how many people say, Oh my God, I still remember the 00:16:14.177 --> 00:16:15.887 family dog we had when I was a child. 00:16:15.937 --> 00:16:20.227 Like it's that special bond and to be able to give that to your child, you know, 00:16:20.227 --> 00:16:23.887 I mean, that's like that bond or like nothing's cuter than when they kind of 00:16:24.027 --> 00:16:26.937 really close, you know, and, and to have 00:16:29.127 --> 00:16:29.937 the dog's got. 00:16:30.417 --> 00:16:35.727 You know, it doesn't lose the family, you know, and the child gets to experience 00:16:36.227 --> 00:16:40.717 that bond that a dog, like, I think can offer, like, pretty much nobody else. 00:16:40.727 --> 00:16:43.717 So I think it is the most beautiful thing if you get it right. 00:16:43.837 --> 00:16:46.437 So I think it's putting the effort in. 00:16:46.437 --> 00:16:47.757 A lot of effort, you know. 00:16:48.917 --> 00:16:53.937 Aileen: Yeah, my memories, uh, we had three dogs pass away last year and 00:16:53.987 --> 00:17:00.317 two were very, very involved in my daughter's life from the day she was born. 00:17:01.267 --> 00:17:05.257 And like, she remembers both of them and she sees pictures of them and 00:17:05.257 --> 00:17:06.537 she asked for them all the time. 00:17:06.617 --> 00:17:07.487 Oh my gosh, I'm going to cry. 00:17:07.857 --> 00:17:10.802 But like their relationship was amazing. 00:17:10.952 --> 00:17:17.002 The one inspiration for this entire company that we have, she is, she 00:17:17.002 --> 00:17:18.642 is the original baby pack leader. 00:17:18.642 --> 00:17:21.932 My three year old, she is the whole, the whole reason we do this. 00:17:21.952 --> 00:17:29.172 And like to see her respect for dogs, her leadership with dogs, To see that in 00:17:29.182 --> 00:17:32.762 action now that she's a little bit older and to know that it was the result of 00:17:32.762 --> 00:17:37.622 like those two amazing relationships she had in the beginning, they, they didn't 00:17:37.622 --> 00:17:41.582 know where they were going half of the time, but they knew where she was and they 00:17:41.582 --> 00:17:43.752 knew how to be sweet and gentle with her. 00:17:43.752 --> 00:17:46.477 And And she knew how to be sweet and gentle with them. 00:17:46.897 --> 00:17:51.277 And that is something that like, I know she won't remember when 00:17:51.277 --> 00:17:54.047 she gets older, but I will, 00:17:54.427 --> 00:17:57.817 Anke: you know, And on some level she does, I swear, you know, because that's 00:17:57.867 --> 00:18:01.797 what the thing where I was saying, like, I was, I had a dog like that 00:18:01.817 --> 00:18:03.867 in my life, you know, and I don't. 00:18:04.342 --> 00:18:05.582 consciously remember it. 00:18:05.582 --> 00:18:09.512 I remember the photos, you know, and so you kind of see that, but the 00:18:09.512 --> 00:18:11.422 love for dogs has always been there. 00:18:11.422 --> 00:18:12.042 So I don't think, 00:18:12.782 --> 00:18:15.102 Aileen: you know, I was watching my three year old teach a 00:18:15.102 --> 00:18:16.972 Doberman to swim yesterday. 00:18:17.202 --> 00:18:21.872 That's, I mean, like if you do a little bit of work in the beginning, you 00:18:21.872 --> 00:18:27.697 get to reap these amazing benefits of just, Everybody, understanding that 00:18:27.747 --> 00:18:31.677 everybody has a role communicating with your partner about who's in charge 00:18:31.677 --> 00:18:36.617 and who's supervising, you know, a lot of what I do is just helping people 00:18:36.637 --> 00:18:41.077 understand, you know, what they want and what their role is and how to get it. 00:18:41.507 --> 00:18:44.467 Um, I'm really lucky I don't get. 00:18:45.077 --> 00:18:50.627 You know, a lot of calls from people who are in terribly dangerous situations. 00:18:50.647 --> 00:18:52.087 Those are few and far between. 00:18:52.567 --> 00:18:58.347 And I am help happy to help people explore their options and, you know, 00:18:58.367 --> 00:19:03.417 rehome dogs responsibly if it's the right thing to do or the right thing for them. 00:19:03.537 --> 00:19:05.697 You know, sometimes I think they don't need to do this, 00:19:05.697 --> 00:19:07.027 but it's also not my home. 00:19:07.207 --> 00:19:12.552 You know, maybe they do feel that they need to do this, but when You know, it 00:19:12.552 --> 00:19:17.152 was, that was amazing to watch her do that yesterday, this big 90 pound Doberman. 00:19:17.172 --> 00:19:20.082 She was like, jump in the pool. 00:19:20.122 --> 00:19:23.092 And she took his leash and she walked him right in. 00:19:23.092 --> 00:19:24.872 And I'm like, this is crazy. 00:19:25.102 --> 00:19:27.792 But these are the things that she's going to remember, you know, when she's 00:19:27.802 --> 00:19:31.072 older, that she, you know, is powerful. 00:19:31.072 --> 00:19:32.472 She's a powerful little girl. 00:19:32.837 --> 00:19:33.167 Yeah. 00:19:33.702 --> 00:19:36.557 Anke: Yeah, I think that's a, that's a, that's a little video 00:19:36.557 --> 00:19:38.627 that she's gonna like cherish. 00:19:38.957 --> 00:19:42.737 So where can people go and connect with you and find out and get their 00:19:42.737 --> 00:19:46.727 hands on your course and, you know, basically get your help to get prepared. 00:19:47.247 --> 00:19:47.607 Aileen: Sure. 00:19:47.967 --> 00:19:53.367 We are, you can find us online@www.baby pack leader.com. 00:19:53.667 --> 00:19:57.927 We also share a lot of content on Instagram, BA at Baby Pack Leader. 00:19:58.107 --> 00:19:59.457 We have a Facebook too. 00:19:59.817 --> 00:20:01.287 Um, and yeah, if you. 00:20:01.472 --> 00:20:02.442 Pop it into Google. 00:20:02.452 --> 00:20:04.412 We should pop up a bunch of places. 00:20:04.752 --> 00:20:10.602 Um, I've done a lot of, um, things recently, speaking engagements 00:20:10.602 --> 00:20:16.272 recently too, where I've gotten to tap into a lot of like dog training, 00:20:16.282 --> 00:20:17.772 the dog training side of things. 00:20:18.142 --> 00:20:19.432 Um, and that's been really fun. 00:20:19.432 --> 00:20:20.492 Those you can find on YouTube. 00:20:21.382 --> 00:20:21.632 Anke: Awesome. 00:20:21.702 --> 00:20:22.902 Well, thank you so much. 00:20:23.297 --> 00:20:26.397 And, uh, it was an absolute delight, and it's such a lovely topic. 00:20:26.507 --> 00:20:27.047 Oh my god! 00:20:27.787 --> 00:20:29.187 I'm so glad you do the work you do. 00:20:29.277 --> 00:20:29.807 Thank you. 00:20:30.587 --> 00:20:31.287 Aileen: Oh, you're welcome. 00:20:31.287 --> 00:20:32.297 Thank you for having me. 00:20:32.437 --> 00:20:34.267 I feel like we're going to be friends forever. 00:20:34.897 --> 00:20:35.597 Anke: I feel that too. 00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:39.510 Thanks so much for listening. 00:20:40.030 --> 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