Career Conversations | S4Ep1: How AI is revolutionizing professional development and job search strategies

In this episode, Vina Pilolomari hosts a discussion with Sharan Jamiani, '21 head of product at Yoodly, about the transformative role of AI in career navigation. They explore how AI tools can streamline job searches, enhance interview preparation, and improve productivity while emphasizing the importance of personal connections and networking. Sha.ran highlights the need for users to understand specific problems to effectively leverage AI in their career development. The conversation encourages continuous exploration of AI's capabilities and its potential to empower individuals in their professional journeys.

Sharan Jhangiani is the Head of Product at Yoodli, an AI powered communication coach. Yoodli helps you ace your next presentation or interview by providing private and judgment-free analytics on your filler words, eye contact, body language and more. Yoodli (www.yoodli.ai) is being rolled out to 300k+ Toastmasters members globally, has raised $7M+ in funding, and been featured across media outlets such as WSJ and Inc.

Previously, he was the first Machine Learning hire at Productiv, building out infrastructure and then features powered by Machine Learning. Before that, he was at the University of Washington, where he studied data science and started DubHacks Next, a community / incubator for people who build.

VeenaSravani Pillalamarri, ’18, ’21, is a double Husky who earned her Bachelor of Science in Biology and a Master’s in Healthcare Administration at the UW’s Seattle campus. As an undergraduate student, she served as a Peer Advisor at the UAA and President of a health program organization on campus. She also enjoyed volunteering and was a student educator at multiple schools through the UW Pipeline Project. During her Master’s degree, Veena served as a Student Ambassador representing the MHA program and as Vice President of the MHA Student Association. Currently, Veena is a strategist at Premera Blue Cross, exploring the healthcare industry and working towards her passion for improving access to healthcare resources. Outside of work, Veena enjoys reading, baking new desserts and traveling as much as possible.

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VeenaSravani Pillalamarri, ’18, ’21,

VeenaSravani Pillalamarri, ’18, ’21, is a double Husky who earned her Bachelor of Science in Biology and a Master’s in Healthcare Administration at the UW’s Seattle campus. As an undergraduate student, she served as a Peer Advisor at the UAA and President of a health program organization on campus. She also enjoyed volunteering and was a student educator at multiple schools through the UW Pipeline Project. During her Master’s degree, Veena served as a Student Ambassador representing the MHA program and as Vice President of the MHA Student Association. Currently, Veena is a strategist at Premera Blue Cross, exploring the healthcare industry and working towards her passion for improving access to healthcare resources. Outside of work, Veena enjoys reading, baking new desserts and traveling as much as possible.

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Sharan Jhangiani, ’21

Sharan Jhangiani is the Head of Product at Yoodli, an AI powered communication coach. Yoodli helps you ace your next presentation or interview by providing private and judgment-free analytics on your filler words, eye contact, body language and more. Yoodli (www.yoodli.ai) is being rolled out to 300k+ Toastmasters members globally, has raised $7M+ in funding, and been featured across media outlets such as WSJ and Inc. Previously, he was the first Machine Learning hire at Productiv, building out infrastructure and then features powered by Machine Learning. Before that, he was at the University of Washington, where he studied data science and started DubHacks Next, a community / incubator for people who build.

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Frank conversations to help you take control of your career.

Going beyond resumes, interviews, and cover letters, each conversation brings a unique perspective on relevant topics for you and your professional development.

Presented by Pepsi, Career Conversations is produced by the University of Washington Alumni Association.

Learn more: https://www.washington.edu/alumni/career-conversations/

In today's dynamic job market, artificial intelligence or AI is revolutionizing how professionals navigate their career journeys. From streamlining job searches to creating a personalized upscaling plan, AI offers a powerful toolkit for career growth. Join us as we discuss how to best leverage the latest AI has to offer for career development and success. Welcome to Career Conversations Season Four, presented by Pepsi and produced by the University of Washington Alumni Association. In each episode, we meet with experts for in-depth professional development conversations you won't find anywhere else. I am Veena Pilallamarri, your host for this episode.

I'm a double Husky with a bachelor of science degree in biology and a master's in healthcare administration.

I work as a strategist in the healthcare industry, and I also serve as a member of UW Alumni Association's Gold Council. I'm excited to introduce our guest today and talk about AI in the career space. Sharan Jhangiani is a 2021 UW grad with a bachelor of science degree in informatics and a minor in applied mathematics.

While at the UW, he started DubHacks, a tech and entrepreneurship nonprofit still run today by students. Currently, he's the head of product at Yoodli, an AI powered communication coach. Featured across media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, Yoodli is currently being rolled out to 300,000+ Toastmasters members globally. It is currently available for UW students, faculty, and staff. Hello, Sharan. Welcome, and I am looking forward to this conversation with you today.

Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. And obviously, Go Dawgs.

Go Dawgs indeed.

Well, again, thank you for taking the time today out of your incredibly busy schedule, to chat with us and just give us some knowledge surrounding AI.

I wanna start off with maybe just a couple of questions not related to AI in particular, but how are you doing today? I know it's a Monday morning.

Monday morning.

Yeah. Doing great. It's beautiful outside. The sun is shining. Birds chirping.

Feeling good, empowered, and enthusiastic.

How are you?

I'm doing well. I had a rather restful weekend, so looking forward to this week and tackling everything that it has to offer.

I hear you. Start of the quarter.

Yeah. Alright. Incredible. So, I know that we're going to dive into several questions related to AI itself.

But kind of before we dive into that, can you tell us just a little bit about yourself? I know we talked about how -- in the intro, we talked about how you're from UW and kind of your major and all of that. But how did you get started with your career in AI, and what made you want to pursue that? Was it a passion initially or kind of an avenue out of school?

Yeah. I can't remember the first time I started dealing with things in AI.

I went to the University of Washington with the intention of learning a hard skill that I could leverage in an entrepreneurial way.

I think when I joined, there were two big technologies kind of at the forefront of most of my peers' minds and research: blockchain and AI and machine learning.

Okay.

I felt particularly drawn to the world of AI and machine learning mostly because it felt more connected to challenges that I was seeing in the world. Mhmm.

At UW, I studied informatics and spent a lot of time learning about how to apply design thinking and have a human centered approach to problems that can be solved with technology. In which I felt I learned a lot about applying specifically data and data analysis, machine learning, AI techniques to solving these problems with the lens of technology empowering humanity.

And so I think it really started there. There's a class in particular, Info 370, which I ended up TA-ing. Mhmm. Shortly after taking it, that really, really opened my eyes to the power of predictive analytics and the ML and AI.

And it kinda just took off from there.

That's incredible. Did you have any other experiences while you were at the UW, maybe an internship or something that pivoted you to this direction? Did you explore any other avenues?

Yeah. I think at the end of it all, I got really lucky with a few of the opportunities I was able to jump into.

The first ever bet that someone took of me was a PhD student who was doing some analysis and was looking for someone to help with some predictive analytics, which was my start. This was as a freshman. I was just doing some fun Python work for her. Mhmm.

And that trickled into an internship in which I was able to work in a research and labs environment. Okay. I was using AI in more of a scientific and experimental state state. Across the corporate world.

And I mean, that was my real first taste of, oh, wow. This really cool technology that I've been playing with at school and been taking classes on can actually be applied in these super interesting ways in the world.

Yeah. And that kind of started this journey of, oh, wow. This is a very powerful set of skills, new frameworks on how to approach these problems.

I'm really excited to dive deeper into.

Yeah. That's incredible.

Starting off as a freshman and having that sort of background, I guess, even before you get into, like, your major courses, that that sets like a great foundation. So thank you for say sharing a bit more about how you got to where you are today.

So let's dive deeper into the topic, for today, which is about utilizing AI in the job search process, and how we can use it as a tool in our career growth.

I'll start off with just asking, how has AI transformed experiences in the job market as you've seen it or maybe even experienced?

Yeah. I think the context of which I'd approach this question is through my day job, which I work at Yoodli. Yoodli is an AI speech coach that helps empower people to communicate more effectively wherever they may be using artificial intelligence.

And one of the most common use cases for the platform is helping folks who are about to go for an incredibly stressful job interview or presentation that progresses their career forward feel more confident, comfortable, and ready to go when they have that interview.

Yep.

I think from the stories that I've heard speaking with some of our users who are using Yoodli as well as a litany of other incredibly powerful AI tools is it's really helped reduce the time spent on menial tasks. Okay. What I mean by this is, I was speaking with a customer of ours not too long ago who leverages AI to customize their cover letter for every single job. Almost instantaneously using a few prompts and the job description.

Okay. Super powerful.

Another one would use ChatGPT to understand the current climate of the company. So if it's a public company, what are folks saying about it? How is it being conveyed in news? What are challenges that executives are sharing on earnings calls?

Mhmm. Use that context to generate interview questions or to help inform their answers. So when they're in the interview, they have further context. The answers they're sharing are aligned with the goals of the company.

And the powerful change here is because the mechanisms through which they're able to now access that information is so much easier by using these app based solutions, they're able to pull that in in a quicker manner. Yeah. And then the one I see most often is because you can practice an interview using AI now. You can go back and forth and get instant feedback as many times as you'd like.

So by the time you're having that conversation Yeah. And having that interview live in person, you've had every instance of the questions that you could be asked already asked you by a simulation. So you feel confident and ready to answer all of them.

So I think those would be the three things that I've seen the most. I'm sure there's a litany of other things that I'm not as privy to, but it seems to have made a step change for those who are motivated and willing to prepare ahead of an interview to really make the most of just a few minutes of prep.

That is exciting to hear. I will say I wish I was more aware of it. I'm still an earlier careerist, but I think just out of grad school, had I had some of those resources, that would have been incredible to use as a way to prepare for interviews.

I know you touched briefly on, like, exec -- like, in your kind of description of AI, how AI transformed the job experience, the job market. You touched briefly on how candidates could potentially use, you know, what executives are saying maybe in the news. I know I read several articles kind of just within my space about how executives are moving through the space or what they're thinking of when they're making a certain decision.

Have you seen that maybe this might be this might take you kind of out of context because I understand you're early careers to yourself as well. But, when let's say for the folks who are in the job market and they're they're at a later stage in their career, kind of ten, fifteen years down the lane.

How do you think they might be using AI as a tool within this job market, especially as -- you know, I'm saying three years ago, I wasn't aware of what tools existed within AI even though it was still a concept that was presented to me. I would assume folks who are a lot older are just being introduced to all these things as they're working through it.

Have you seen anything of how their experience with the job market might have changed with AI?

Yeah. Is this in regards to people who are currently in positions who are exploring ways to use AI? Or more in regards to, hey. I have been working in this world for ten to fifteen years, I'm looking for my next role?

What context specifically?

I would say it's the first one.

Okay. So people who are in the jobs to leverage AI to supercharge their career potential. Yeah.

This has actually been really interesting to learn. So in my day job, I'm very lucky to be able to spend a lot of time speaking with executives on -- Specifically their AI strategy. How they're adopting tools, how they're thinking about the value these tools provide.

At the end of the day, there's a lot of tools out there that are incredibly powerful.

However, one common concern that I've been hearing is, hey. This tool is awesome and could solve a lot of problems.

But that nuance of -- it can solve problems, but I don't know what it can or will solve for me. It makes it really difficult for people to adopt. Okay. An example of this is ... let's imagine I am in, let's say the, let's say the software industry, just as an example.

Yeah. The idea of having chatGPT for all of the folks in the software industry, maybe a set of software developers, is awesome because you think there's a lot of problems they could solve specifically for them.

What typically ends up happening though is folks will get access to these tools, but then seldom use it. Okay.

Because there's that behavior change required to adopt it effectively to solve a specific problem. Yeah. And so I think when later stage career folks are thinking about AI and tooling, it's often, Hey, what problem do I have? Is there a tool that can specifically solve that problem?

And having that discovery process of, great, this is a tool that I think can solve this problem. Let me understand if it actually can. Great. It can. I'm going to implement it in this vertical fashion where it derives an ROI. It helps me see value By solving the specific problem.

Okay. So I think at the crux of all of it, and this kind of pulls out from that informatics education that teaches the human element of things. What is the problem you're looking to solve?

How are you solving it with AI? Is there an option to do so? Great. Go solve that specific problem.

I like that. I like the way you summarized that at the end.

And speaking of tools, what are some of the most common tools that -- AI tools -- that folks usually use for job searching?

Yeah. There's a lot. And I'll be honest, this is changing every single second every single day. The influx of new tools has been ridiculous in the best way in terms of just the pace of development.

The ones that I would classify them into from what we've seen is: you've got your prep tools.

Okay.

As in I've got an interview, how do I prepare for this interview?

Where I have the most information, so I'm slightly biased here, but interview prep, conversation prep, ensuring that you are ready to go. You understand the company really well.

Typically this happens right before an interview or a competition in which you need to put your best foot forward.

Now, if you take a step back in the flow where you've got, if you decide you're looking for a new gig or you're on that career search journey. You've got to find the opportunities that make the most sense, then you've got to prepare for those opportunities, get those opportunities, and then execute on those opportunities. So find a gig, get the interview, crush the interview, get the job.

If we segment it into those three buckets, I think in the very front of it, tools that help you find roles specific to you are getting built into existing job search platforms.

Okay.

I know that recently LinkedIn has gotten really good at recommending positions that fit your profile based on what you have on your LinkedIn profile. Right. There's a bunch of tools out there as well that help you understand, hey.

Here's There's a bunch of tools out there as well that help you understand, hey.

Here is a specific job title. Here's a bunch of roles that fit that very well.

There's tools like this popping up every day on product hunts where you can like, the latest and greatest of AI tools.

In that journey as well, what's really powerful is now being able to pull out information from the descriptions of the JDs, the roles, and have that search or that matching be a little bit more specific.

Okay.

And then lastly, I think in landing the interview, there's a lot of fun new roles or fun new opportunities come out.

The most common pieces of suggestion or feedback that I got when I was growing up and on my career hunt journey was, network and get referrals. Yeah. Right? Like if you can meet someone who can get you into a company, nothing like it.

And I think historically before the influx of AI, it was really, really easy to send an email and to just send a bunch of emails and say, great. Someone will respond, and maybe I'll get a chance to talk to someone and build a relationship and go from there.

Right.

With AI, there's just so much noise because it's so much easier to send these emails automatically that -- contrary to the topic of today's conversation! -- I've heard that in person events and meeting people live in at a networking event, in person event, wherever that may be, a conference! Has been significantly more valuable in helping on that journey.

Okay. Are there would you say there are AI tools to help maybe with that aspect of it, like the networking aspect of it to be able to, like, set it up or even be able to route your way? And I'll speak for myself. Sometimes when I'm trying to reach out to someone, maybe it's a role that I would envision having in a couple years, and I'd like to connect with them to learn about their experience.

I've ... the names of different roles don't always add up to each other. They don't you know, job description could be different than the title itself.

So as folks are using maybe some of these AI tools in job searches, how is how does it translate into networking as well?

Yeah.

It's a really good question.

I haven't seen anything in particular that has been very helpful, in that specific context.

I do think that being able to leverage a tool like Claude or ChatGPT to understand, hey. Here's a job title that someone has that I don't fully understand, and this is the company they work at. What do they actually do?

Yeah. And how does that compare to my job title and my company? To be able to get better information does help bridge that gap a little bit.

I think the biggest change in this set of things is there's just so much more way so many more ways to understand different roles at a deeper level because you can have ChatGPT / Claude help you understand the context of that role.

Yeah. Alright. That's amazing. Thank you.

Yeah.

I know you also briefly mentioned cover letters as you were kinda segmenting different tools that folks might use, for their job search. Speaking of that, it's a dreaded portion when I'm applying to roles.

I don't know if you've had any experience with needing to deal with cover letters.

Have you at all so far?

I haven't thus far, thankfully. But I hear you.

But I hear you as it's it's something I'm not looking too forward to to to have to do at some point.

Yeah. So I I'll speak for it then.

Cover letters are dreaded portion of my application to any role.

Is it effective in your perspective to use AI tools to generate cover letters?

It's a really tricky question.

And I definitely don't have the right answer, but I have an opinion. And my opinion is: Not necessarily.

I think if I were to enter the job market, I think the order of priority in which I would do so and ways I would try and find my next gig would be heavily focused on ways that make me stick out better than a cover letter. What I mean by that is a cover letter is often difficult for someone to scan and pull out pieces of your story effectively.

In terms of how effective it is, I don't think it's that effective. Because I imagine today as well with the influx of ATS or application tracking systems and resume reviewing tools that corporations are using, the cover letter will also very quickly just get that into a prompt where an AI model can pull out the important elements and brief someone on it.

Okay.

And so while I think a lot of folks tend to use cover letters as a way to filter out applicants who are less interested, I don't think it's incredibly effective as a job seeker. Okay. And instead would recommend spending time meeting people at the organization or trying to be a little bit more bespoke or personable with one or two key individuals on LinkedIn or in person.

Absolutely. And I think that brings it back to some of that humane or personable, you know, skills that you were speaking to earlier, making sure that they can actually attach a face or some sort of personality behind the application itself.

Yeah. I think one thing that is really important for us to remember is at the end of the day, companies are people, and people hire people. And even though there's a lot of tools, and we can leverage generative AI to create profiles and cover letters for us and help us communicate more effectively, the crux of who we are is how we communicate with another individual on the phone or on a Zoom call or in person. And ensuring that we keep that in the back of our mind as there is more and more and more content and more and more volume of information out there is important as well.

I would agree.

I'll jump into the next question here.

Again, we spoke a bit about common AI tools, and kind of the overall job market and how AI fits in.

What are a few cons or mistakes people make when using AI tools while job searching?

Yeah.

I think the one I've seen most frequently when speaking to folks searching for their next gig is using it to make them seem like someone they're not. So very similar to the conversation we were just having of... Yeah.

Because it's so easy to create cold email copy or to generate a cover letter or to have AI automate a set of things for you or to to pick up your resume to sound a little bit more professional. Yeah. Every time we leverage those tools, it takes us away a little bit further from who we are at at the core.

And it makes it really easy to do what people call the spray and pray approach. Right? Apply to seven hundred jobs.

You use AI to personalize the tool for, automate a bunch of it, and hear back from no one because you're just another application in the stack.

So I think the biggest challenge or con that I see people facing when using these tools is using it so much that it takes away their personality.

And instead I would recommend using it in the sense of how do I learn something more to make myself seem more informed? Or how do I how to better align myself with this organization or to align myself with this role by using these tools to gain further information?

I love that.

I would ask if, you know, as folks are using AI tools -- maybe I'll just take the example of ChatGPT.

I know way back when, maybe when when I was in middle school, it used to be we'll search up words that have similar meanings, like synonyms and antonyms to whatever we're looking for in order to describe our writing better in our essays, for the output we're trying to produce.

So to simplify, I'm simplifying ChatGPT a lot here. But, to simplify it, when folks are using ChatGPT, I've also seen, people try to look for keywords, try to match keywords to their resume. Yeah. Do you think that that might also be a con, in using that way to actually format your resume or when applying for a role?

I don't think necessarily. I think having AI assist you in editing your resume to fit the role better is a great use of the tool. The biggest thing to keep in mind that we typically see is, if you are automating things and not taking a look at it after the fact. And that you're just trusting your AI to do it end to end for you, you'll oftentimes find some sort of hallucination or a mistake that the AI would make. And so it's always important to ensure that, yes, leverage chat GPT absolutely to save yourself some time on that customization, but always make sure you give it a pass on your own as well.

Alright.

I want to bring us back to a part of the conversation we were having at the very beginning of this chat. We were talking about using AI tools for work efficiencies and how executives might perceive it.

Been reading a lot about, again, people using AI tools to just improve everyday routines, things in their workday. Could be for either planning or even generating just base content, like foundational things that they could build off of.

Do you think these tools increase productivity, or do you think -- I'll even put it in another sense. Do you think they might be restricting our creativity at all?

Oh, I have a pretty strong take on this. I think these tools are incredibly effective in increasing productivity.

Mhmm.

I'll take an example for writing anything. I recently had to write a press release for an announcement that we were making at at my day job. And starting that press release and running it from scratch would have taken me maybe twenty, thirty minutes to sit down, think of a format, figure out what language I should use.

Instead, I was able to use AI to seed the first draft.

And now I didn't trust AI to take it end to end and publish it from there entirely, but I used it to help start, kick the tires.

And it gave me a draft that made a lot of sense. And obviously there was things that I needed to change and ensure the voice was more in line with what we were looking for. But that saved me at least thirty minutes, and I was able to finish the other half of it in ten, fifteen minutes afterwards. Wow.

And that's just one example.

Absolutely, AI tools are used to increase workday efficiency across the board, whether that's generating emails, summarizing long threads of information or creating contents, copy, whatever that may look like.

The challenge is how do we ensure that it continues to do so without being damaging or people being overly reliant?

And to your second point of, do you feel it limits creativity?

I think to an extent people may feel that GPT or Claude or any of these AI tools will take away their ability to be creative.

But on the flip side, where we've seen it be really powerful is enabling people who maybe didn't have the tactical skills to express their creativity efficiently.

Yeah. Take a tool like Dolly, for example, which helps generate images using AI prompts.

Okay. An individual who can write a prompt now has the power to generate an image that's relevant for what they were looking for before.

Yeah.

And so while there are those who feel that it may be limiting creativity, it in fact has empowered a whole another class of folks to be able to express themselves a little bit more creatively using these tools or using technology to do so.

Okay.

I like that. I like the perspective of being able to use AI as a way to maybe translate, maybe muddle thoughts or even translate what you might be thinking of, but not necessarily be able to execute on. To have that voice of clarity just shine through.

That's incredible. Thank you for sharing.

And maybe, we were talking about cons of using, you know, our cons or mistakes that people make when using AI tools in in their job search.

Could you give us maybe a few examples on how folks could use AI efficiently and correctly? I know we talked a bit about using ChatGPT to kind of help format or, restructure or figure out, you know, the words of what you're trying to say in your resume, and we just touched on maybe using it as an avenue to translate your thoughts. But, are there maybe any other tips that folks could use to follow along on how they could use AI to actually, propel them in their job search?

Yeah. I think the framework that I like using and that I would encourage folks to use as well is: AI has made it really easy to get information or to translate information into palatable bite sized snippets.

So when you when you have to learn something new, have an interactive experience and learn that leveraging AI. I think that's an incredibly powerful step change in how learning gets done or conducted.

When you need to practice or simulate or bounce ideas off of something or something small where maybe it doesn't require a lot of interaction, but some bits of feedback, AI does a really good job of helping there as well, whether that's a draft of your resume or how you performed on your last mock interview.

So I think leveraging it in those two situations is incredibly powerful. And the last of which is helping you explore.

I think one thing that we tend to forget is the breadth of what these tools understand.

Yeah.

From, Hey, I'm really interested in this new vertical or this new industry. What do jobs that are similar to X industry or X vertical look like in this industry? Maybe you're in tech and you wanna jump to finance, and you're trying to understand what are comparable roles where skill sets transfer effectively, where people have been able to make a jump.

Right.

Because these large language models have been trained on pretty much the entirety of the Internet, we have so much information in there that if we don't know how to prompt or pull out that information, we technically won't get there. And being able to help it teach us these things is incredibly powerful.

Alright.

And do you think -- I know you had talked a bit about prompting just now.

No. Usually and, again, basing this off of my understanding of AI tools. But, to break it down a little for folks who are trying to prompt maybe ChatGPT or another AI tool in order to actually get to the crux of what they're looking for.

Right.

Is ... do you have any tips on how, like, how to prompt maybe, while using these AI tools? Like, what should folks do while thinking of how they might want to narrow down what they're really looking for as ChatGPT or another AI tool is helping them out?

Yeah. Absolutely.

When I suggest or help our clients, for example, think about prompting. The number one approach I use is be specific and be direct.

Okay.

So when it comes to a tool like GPT, we want to be as concise as possible to ensure that it doesn't have room for interpretation.

The more concise and cogent the instruction, the better it'll perform because it'll be able to say, great. That is exactly what I should be looking for. Let me go and operate on that.

Yeah.

And we've seen this time and time again with the clients we work with. Where if we're able to simplify, simplify, simplify the for the request to be something specific, GPT pulls it out very effectively or Claude or whatever the LOM you're looking at, almost all operate in a similar manner. So when prompting, be simple, be direct, be concise, and it almost always operates a little bit better.

Incredible.

And I'll just maybe ask you one last question as we're coming to the end of this conversation.

Yeah. I know we've been talking a lot about using AI tools for job searching, but I'll also ask you, how do we use AI tools to maybe elevate our career? I know we talked a bit about the knowledge base behind these language models. So how how can we further push ourselves when we have the job, let's say?

Yeah.

Ask questions. Be curious. Because it's a safe space. I think that one thing that this has unlocked is previously, it's been difficult at times to have the courage to ask a question or to have the courage to ask for some help for something.

And oftentimes these are small questions or things that build up over time that can help move you along quicker.

Because it's technology and it's distributed, judgment free. Yeah. You have the space to ask the questions, whether that's how's your stock price doing? How do I interpret that? What does this specific acronym mean?

I've seen that make people incredibly successful and help them move forward quicker.

I also think the way that a lot of folks I've seen most effectively leverage AI is, as we mentioned at the top, look for a specific problem you're facing and try and solve it using the technology.

Okay. If it's too broad, it'll be difficult to implement and really see value. But if you can limit it to a specific solution set and problem set and solve that, you'll be able to move forward and show that you're able to solve problems one by one using technology effectively.

Awesome. That almost reminds me of, I think, kind of in the industry, I'll paraphrase here, but a lot of folks talk about growth mindset. So maybe even approaching AI tools with that to say, I'm gonna constantly learn how to use this tool, but also how to be able to, you know, clarify my thought based on the output it's giving me. Am I summarizing that right?

Yeah. Absolutely.

Alright. Well, with that, thank you so much, Sharan, for joining us today. It's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.

Thank you so much for being here.

It's been a pleasure being here. Thank you for having me. I really appreciated this discussion, and we're at the beginning. I'm so excited to see how AI takes the world forward, how the technology innovates, but most importantly, how we leverage it to push ourselves forward. So thank you for a lovely discussion.

Thank you.

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