[JEFF] Okay. So it's Thursday, April twenty-sixth, nineteen fifty-six. Port Newark, New Jersey. Berth twenty-four, at [JEFF] the foot of Marsh Street. And it's raining. There's a crowd of invited guests in [JEFF] raincoats standing on the pier, and they're looking at a ship that is... nothing special. [JEFF] She's an old tanker from the war. Built in nineteen forty-five out in Sausalito, one [JEFF] of hundreds just like her. She's called the Ideal X. [CYRUS] [dry] Not a glamorous name. [JEFF] And the ship isn't much better. But get this. Somebody has welded a steel deck [JEFF] on top of her, up above the oil tanks. Like a raised porch running the [JEFF] length of the ship. And sitting on the pier next to her is a row [JEFF] of aluminum truck trailers. Regular trailers, the kind you'd see behind a rig on the [JEFF] highway. Except the men on the pier have taken the wheels off. They've unbolted the [JEFF] bodies from the running gear. And now a crane swings out, picks up one of [JEFF] those bare trailer bodies, sets it down on the porch... and goes back for the [JEFF] next one. [CYRUS] So they're shipping the trailer, minus the part that rolls. [JEFF] Exactly. One about every seven minutes. Fifty-eight of them. And start to finish, inside a [JEFF] single working day, she's loaded. [CYRUS] [skeptical] And what would a ship that size normally take? [JEFF] The normal way? Something like a week of men loading her by hand. And then [JEFF] another week at the other end, unloading her. That's what everybody standing in that rain [JEFF] knows. That's the world they work in. [CYRUS] So the people on that pier are watching a week turn into a day. [JEFF] Some of them get that. Some of them get it very clearly. And here's my [JEFF] favorite detail. One of the people watching is a senior official of the longshoremen's union [JEFF] — the guys whose entire job is that week of loading. And somebody walks up [JEFF] to him and asks him what he thinks of the new ship. And the answer [JEFF] that's been passed down ever since is that he'd like to sink the son of [JEFF] a bitch. [CYRUS] Fair enough. [JEFF] And then the Ideal X casts off, and she heads down the coast for Houston. [JEFF] And the ship belongs to a trucker. A guy from North Carolina who has just [JEFF] bought himself a steamship company... which, if you're in the shipping business in nineteen fifty-six, [JEFF] is already a very strange sentence. [CYRUS] [curious] Okay, but hold on. Why would a union man want to sink a ship [CYRUS] full of truck trailers? It's a few dozen boxes on an old tanker. What did [CYRUS] he see that the guests in the raincoats didn't? [JEFF] [reflective] I think he saw exactly what was going to happen to his men. And [JEFF] I think he was right. [CYRUS] Which is where this whole thing starts, really. Not with the box. With the guy [CYRUS] who wanted to sink it. [JEFF] [warmly] This is Backbone. I'm Jeff Keltner, and that's Cyrus Mistry. And this is the [JEFF] show about the technologies that hold the modern world up — the ones you stop [JEFF] seeing precisely because they work so well. Last time it was the refrigerator. Today we're [JEFF] talking about the shipping container. And I think this one might be even more everywhere [JEFF] than the fridge was. [CYRUS] [amused] Simple shape. Six sides. Keeps the world going. And the thing that got me, [CYRUS] reading all of this, is how little of the story is actually about the box. [CYRUS] Like, the box is the easy part. [JEFF] Anybody could build a box. What took twenty years was everything else. And to see [JEFF] why that union man was so sure, you have to see what that ship was [JEFF] threatening. [CYRUS] So, there's a study I think is the single best snapshot of the old world. [CYRUS] In nineteen fifty-four, the National Academy of Sciences followed one ordinary American freighter — a [CYRUS] ship called the Warrior — from Brooklyn across the Atlantic to Bremerhaven, in Germany. And [CYRUS] they didn't just weigh the cargo. They counted it. Every single thing that went aboard. [CYRUS] About five thousand tons, and it came to a hundred and ninety-four thousand, five hundred [CYRUS] and eighty-two separate pieces. On one ship. Crates, bags, barrels, bales. And every one of [CYRUS] them got lifted by a person on a pier in Brooklyn, swung into the hold, [CYRUS] and wedged into place by hand. And then in Germany, a whole different crew did [CYRUS] the entire thing in reverse. [deliberate] And here's the part that I think is the [CYRUS] real story. The ship spent about as long sitting in port, getting loaded and unloaded, [CYRUS] as it did actually crossing the ocean. And when they broke down the cost of [CYRUS] the whole trip, the sailing part — the crew, the fuel, the North Atlantic — [CYRUS] was about eleven and a half percent of the bill. Handling the cargo at the [CYRUS] two ends was almost thirty-seven percent. So loading and unloading cost about three times as [CYRUS] much as sailing the ship across the Atlantic. [JEFF] I keep trying to picture that. A hundred and ninety-four thousand things. That's not a [JEFF] cargo, that's a small city's worth of errands. [reflective] And that's sort of the whole [JEFF] story of the box, right there. The value of it. It's not the ocean. The [JEFF] ocean's the cheap part. It's the last little bit at each end. It's like owning [JEFF] the most expensive truck in the world and leaving it parked in the driveway half [JEFF] the time while you carry the groceries out one bag at a time. [CYRUS] [amused] Fifty percent utilization on your most expensive asset. Any CFO would lose his mind. [CYRUS] And this is the thing every COO of every transportation company on earth knows in [CYRUS] their bones. Airlines, railroads, trucking, taxis, Uber — the whole game is idle time. An [CYRUS] airline is one of the most impressive operations in the world precisely because they know [CYRUS] that every minute a plane sits at a gate, or in a hangar, it's a [CYRUS] two-hundred-million-dollar machine earning nothing. They want it flying. Same with a semi: the truck only [CYRUS] makes money when the wheels are turning. And in nineteen fifty-four the shipping industry had [CYRUS] its most expensive asset tied to a pier half of its life, and everybody in [CYRUS] the business knew it. There's a line from a Sea-Land marketing executive, Scott Morrison, years [CYRUS] later in an oral history, that it cost his company more to get cargo from [CYRUS] the street in front of the pier into the ship's hold than to carry it [CYRUS] across the ocean. And I totally believe him. The Warrior numbers basically prove him right. [JEFF] The last few hundred feet cost more than three thousand miles. [CYRUS] And it wasn't getting better. In the Port of New York, by nineteen fifty-six, it [CYRUS] was taking almost fifty percent longer to handle a ton of cargo than it had [CYRUS] six years earlier. Longer, not shorter. And the cargo didn't just wait on the ship, [CYRUS] either. Outbound freight would often get delivered to the pier days, sometimes weeks, before the [CYRUS] ship actually sailed. And it just sat there in the shed. Which, as you can [CYRUS] imagine, is great for damage... and for things wandering off. [JEFF] [amused] Put a pin in "wandering off." I want to come back to that one. [CYRUS] Oh, I'm coming back to it. But all of that ends up in the price [CYRUS] of everything. Moving goods across an ocean often cost fifteen, even twenty percent of what [CYRUS] the goods were worth. [JEFF] So the trip itself is basically a tariff. One nobody voted for. [CYRUS] [deliberate] Exactly. And if the trip eats a fifth of the value, a lot of [CYRUS] things just aren't worth trading. You make them close to where you sell them. That's [CYRUS] the world. Most stuff got made near the people who bought it, because distance was [CYRUS] expensive. [JEFF] And the other side of that thirty-seven percent is people. Because that number is wages, [JEFF] and the wages are a whole world. I spent a lot of time with an [JEFF] oral history from a longshoreman named Donald Barrett — everybody called him Red. Born in [JEFF] Brooklyn in nineteen thirty-two. He gets out of the Army in nineteen fifty-five, and his [JEFF] uncle gets him a job on the piers in Hoboken. Which is how you got [JEFF] the job. Somebody in your family got you in. And the tool of the trade [JEFF] is the hook. A steel cargo hook. You bought your own — Red got his [JEFF] at a seamen's outfitter on River Street — and he wore it on his belt [JEFF] everywhere. Even driving the car. There's a story where a police officer stops him and [JEFF] takes the hook away. And Red, telling it sixty years later, says what he should [JEFF] have told the cop was: "You have a gun for work. And that's what I [JEFF] have. The hook." [CYRUS] That's a great line. [JEFF] He's a great character. The whole oral history is like that — no self-pity, just [JEFF] the facts and a punchline. And the work is gangs. Seven men in a gang, [JEFF] and he says the hardest work was down in the hold. One day it's copper [JEFF] ingots, the next it's coffee, rolls of newsprint, bags of mail, Italian marble. And he [JEFF] has this line about the marble: "If you weren't careful, the marble slabs became marble [JEFF] chips." Sacks of red peppers where the dust got in your eyes, so the guys [JEFF] would just nip the bag with the hook and set it down. [deliberate] And it [JEFF] was dangerous. In nineteen fifty, the government's own numbers had stevedoring at about four times [JEFF] the injury rate of the average factory job. Eric Hoffer, the famous longshoreman-philosopher out in [JEFF] San Francisco, lost a thumb on the docks. Red remembers a guy who got caught [JEFF] by a pallet coming down, and says it took the skin off his leg "like [JEFF] a knife." And somebody asks Red, years later, what was a good day on the [JEFF] docks? And he says... "Just to get home." [CYRUS] And those are just the injuries somebody wrote down. Nobody was keeping a tally of [CYRUS] the backs. [reflective] You know, my grandmother — she lived to ninety-five — grew up [CYRUS] in Bombay, and she used to tell me about the dockworkers there. These very thin [CYRUS] men, working sixteen, eighteen hour shifts. And the only thing they'd eat the whole shift [CYRUS] was one chapati, the flat bread, and one raw onion, which they'd bite into like [CYRUS] an apple. That was it. And what stayed with her, her whole life, was what [CYRUS] they could lift. She'd watch them and she couldn't believe it. [JEFF] That's the same world. Bombay, Brooklyn, Hoboken. A man and a hook and a sack. [CYRUS] And the strength of it was just... normal. Nobody thought it was remarkable except her. [JEFF] And the hiring was its own thing. For most of the century, the way you [JEFF] got work on a lot of these piers was the shape-up. Men gather at the [JEFF] head of the pier in the early morning, a lot more men than there are [JEFF] jobs, and a hiring boss points. You, you, you. Sometimes because you paid him. You [JEFF] were hired and fired every single day. If any of this sounds familiar, it's because [JEFF] it's On the Waterfront — the Brando movie. And here's a detail I loved. That [JEFF] movie was shot in Hoboken, in the winter of nineteen fifty-three, with real longshoremen as [JEFF] extras. And Red says, "I recognize a lot of the guys that were in that [JEFF] movie." [CYRUS] Okay, that's so good. And that brings me back to the cargo wandering off, since [CYRUS] you wanted that one. Because a lot of cargo just... didn't arrive. People in the [CYRUS] business had a phrase for pilferage. They called it "the undeclared fringe benefit" of the [CYRUS] longshoreman. [JEFF] "Fringe benefit." That is a very polite way to put it. [CYRUS] It gets better. A longshoreman named Stan Weir wrote about gangs opening up a ship's [CYRUS] hatch and finding the leftovers of what he called "secret feasts" down in the cargo. [CYRUS] And Hollywood made a James Cagney waterfront comedy in nineteen fifty-nine called — I'm not [CYRUS] making this up — Never Steal Anything Small. [JEFF] The joke being, if you're going to steal, steal big. Which is a great title [JEFF] and also kind of a business plan. [CYRUS] [deadpan] It's a mission statement. [JEFF] Okay, so here's the thing. It depends a lot on who you ask about these [JEFF] piers. One of the naval architects who'd go on to design container ships looked back [JEFF] at them and said it was just horrible — hordes of people on these piers, [JEFF] moving a very modest amount of cargo. [CYRUS] [dry] Which is the view from the guy designing the replacement. [JEFF] [reflective] Exactly. And it's really easy to tell this as a den of thieves that [JEFF] the box came along and cleaned up. That's not fair. Yes, the union leadership in [JEFF] New York had real mob ties. But the system existed because the cargo demanded it. [JEFF] Every bale is a different shape. Somebody with real skill has to fit it into [JEFF] a hold so it doesn't shift in a storm. And these were real neighborhoods. In [JEFF] the mid-fifties, there were two hundred and eighty-three working piers in Manhattan and Brooklyn alone, [JEFF] something like fifty thousand dockworkers across the harbor. Irish locals, Italian locals, Black locals. Seamen's [JEFF] hotels and bars right up against the water. The job went from your uncle to [JEFF] you, and from you to your son. [CYRUS] Two hundred and eighty-three. How many of those are working cargo today? [JEFF] In Manhattan? None. The last one closed in the eighties. Brooklyn has one container terminal [JEFF] left, in Red Hook, and it's small — about one box in a hundred for [JEFF] the whole port. Almost everything else is parks, and Chelsea Piers, and apartments. And Red [JEFF] is not sentimental about it at all. When they tore down the old waterfront bars [JEFF] and hotels on River Street, his comment was, "There's no tears." [CYRUS] Which I kind of love. He's not asking anybody to feel sorry for him. He's [CYRUS] just telling you what it was. So that's what the guy in the rain is [CYRUS] looking at. A crane, a box every seven minutes... and nobody down in the hold. [JEFF] Yeah. And that union man was right about almost everything. The only thing he got [JEFF] wrong was thinking you could sink it. Within thirty years, that box would empty the [JEFF] docks of New York, and San Francisco, and London... ride a war across the Pacific... [JEFF] and bankrupt the man who sent it out of Newark. [CYRUS] That last part is the one I still can't quite get over. [JEFF] We'll get there. But first you have to understand what kind of person puts a [JEFF] tanker full of truck trailers to sea in the first place. [CYRUS] Okay, so who sends a tanker full of truck trailers out of Newark? [JEFF] To answer that, you have to go back almost twenty years. To a twenty-four-year-old trucker [JEFF] from North Carolina, a load of cotton bales... and a whole day to kill. And [JEFF] I'm going to tell it the way he told it. It's Thanksgiving week, nineteen thirty-seven. [JEFF] His name is Malcom McLean — Malcom, he dropped the second L at some point. [JEFF] He's got a little trucking outfit, a few years old, and he's hauled a load [JEFF] of cotton bales up to a pier on the Hudson River. The cotton is going [JEFF] to Istanbul. And he gets there, and he waits. [deliberate] And he waits. Because the [JEFF] stevedores are loading the ship one piece at a time. A sling, a net, a [JEFF] few bales, swing it up, swing it down into the hold, men in the hold [JEFF] wrestle it into place. Here's how he described it, decades later: "I had to wait [JEFF] most of the day to deliver the bales, sitting there in my truck, watching stevedores [JEFF] load other cargo. It struck me that I was looking at a lot of wasted [JEFF] time and money." [CYRUS] And I have to say — Marc Levinson, who's basically the historian of the shipping [CYRUS] container, he wrote the book on it, literally — does not buy that story. He [CYRUS] calls it a fantastic origin story, and then he says McLean only started telling it [CYRUS] when he was, quote, "quite advanced in age," and "there's no evidence that it's true." [JEFF] [amused] Which I kind of love. The best historian of the thing doesn't buy the [JEFF] founding myth. [CYRUS] Right. Like, it might have happened. It's also exactly the story you'd tell at the [CYRUS] end of your life if you'd changed the world and wanted it to have started [CYRUS] with a moment. [JEFF] And I think the version where it's true is almost more interesting. Because if it [JEFF] happened, he sat on it for close to twenty years. Having the idea was the [JEFF] cheap part. Lots of people on that pier could see it was slow. What matters [JEFF] is who builds the thing. And who McLean was explains a lot about that. He [JEFF] grows up in Maxton, North Carolina, in the Depression. Not a family with money. He's [JEFF] running a gas station, and he figures out he can make five dollars a load [JEFF] hauling gasoline to his own station if he has a truck. So he buys a [JEFF] used truck, on credit, paying it off a little every month. And with his brother [JEFF] Jim and his sister Clara, he turns that one truck into McLean Trucking. By the [JEFF] early fifties, it's one of the biggest trucking fleets in America — something like seventeen [JEFF] hundred trucks, three dozen terminals. [deliberate] And the lessons he learned in trucking turn out [JEFF] to be exactly the ones he needs in shipping. Because trucking in that era is [JEFF] regulated by the Interstate Commerce Commission. The I-C-C sets what you're allowed to charge. And [JEFF] if you want to charge less than the other guy, you can't just decide to. [JEFF] You have to prove to the regulator that your costs went down. So the only [JEFF] way to win is to be obsessed with cost. McLean has trailers built with these [JEFF] ridged, crenellated sides because it cuts the wind resistance. That kind of guy. He spends [JEFF] twenty years thinking about one thing, which is the total cost to the customer. Door [JEFF] to door. Not the cost of the truck. Not the cost of the driver. The [JEFF] whole bill. And I think that's why, when he finally looks at shipping, he sees [JEFF] something the shipping people don't. Levinson says McLean thought the industry was "obsessed with its [JEFF] ships rather than its potential customers." The way I'd put it is: shipping men loved [JEFF] ships. McLean loved the customer's invoice. And the customer, by the way, never cared about [JEFF] the ship. [CYRUS] That's a very specific kind of guy. And that's a really modern way to think. [CYRUS] That's a logistics company, not a steamship company. He doesn't care what's carrying the freight, [CYRUS] as long as the number at the bottom goes down. [JEFF] And I'll just say it, because I've been thinking it the whole time I've been [JEFF] reading about him. I think this guy is one of the most underappreciated business figures [JEFF] in American history. Most people have never heard his name. [CYRUS] I'll give you underappreciated. But, as we keep seeing with these innovators, he had a [CYRUS] lot of help. And some of the people who helped are even less known than [CYRUS] he is. [JEFF] No argument from me — and the main one shows up in a minute. But [JEFF] to get to the point where he even needs help, McLean first has to do [JEFF] something kind of insane. By the early fifties, the highways along the East Coast are [JEFF] getting jammed, and McLean starts thinking: what if I put my trucks on ships and [JEFF] ran them up and down the coast by water? And to do that, in nineteen [JEFF] fifty-five, he buys a little steamship line called Pan-Atlantic. And then its parent company, Waterman [JEFF] Steamship. And get this — Waterman is the company that ran the Warrior. The freighter [JEFF] with the hundred and ninety-four thousand pieces. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] Oh, that's good. He buys the poster child for the problem. [JEFF] Pretty much. And the way he pays for it is, I think, one of the [JEFF] more audacious deals of the decade. He borrows about forty-two million dollars — call it [JEFF] half a billion in today's money — raises some more in preferred stock, buys Waterman... [JEFF] and then uses twenty million dollars of Waterman's own cash to pay back about half [JEFF] the loan. [CYRUS] [incredulous] Wait. So he buys the company with borrowed money and then uses the company's [CYRUS] money to pay off the borrowing. [JEFF] Yeah. [CYRUS] That's a leveraged buyout. In nineteen fifty-five. [JEFF] People call it one of the earliest ones. Decades before anybody was using the phrase. [JEFF] And then there's a catch. The Interstate Commerce Act says one person can't control two [JEFF] kinds of carriers in a common interest. A truck line and a ship line. Which [JEFF] is exactly what he now has. A group of railroads goes to the I-C-C and [JEFF] says, you can't let him do this. So McLean has to choose. And he sells [JEFF] McLean Trucking. The company he built from one used truck. He sells it, and puts [JEFF] everything into ships. [CYRUS] Did he hedge at all? Keep a piece of it? [JEFF] Somebody asked him basically that, and his answer was: "You've got to be totally committed." [CYRUS] [exhales] Okay. That's a great line. And by the way, I think it's important to [CYRUS] say he wasn't remotely the first person to try this. [JEFF] Who was before him? [CYRUS] A long list. I went looking for everybody who put freight in a box before [CYRUS] McLean. In nineteen seventeen, a guy in Cincinnati named B. F. Fitch is lifting truck [CYRUS] bodies on and off railcars. By nineteen nineteen he's got over two hundred of them [CYRUS] running between twenty-one stations. The Pennsylvania Railroad opens what's been called the world's first container [CYRUS] terminal, in nineteen thirty-two. The Army ships steel boxes it called CONEX boxes to Korea [CYRUS] in the early fifties, and they almost halve the transit time. And then — this [CYRUS] is the one that got me — in November nineteen fifty-five, five months before the [CYRUS] Ideal X, a railroad in the Yukon launches a ship that's often described as the [CYRUS] first one built specifically to carry containers. The Clifford J. Rodgers. Vancouver to Skagway, Alaska. [CYRUS] And it works. It runs that route for ten years, until they replace it with [CYRUS] a bigger one. [JEFF] [skeptical] Wait, so the Ideal X isn't even the first container ship? [CYRUS] Depending on how you count, no. It's not the first box, and it's not the [CYRUS] first ship. Every one of those worked, mechanically. None of them changed anything. [JEFF] [reflective] Which is the thing I always want to say about "totally committed." It's a [JEFF] great quote because it worked. Fitch was committed. The Pennsylvania Railroad was committed. The difference [JEFF] between Cincinnati in nineteen seventeen and Newark in nineteen fifty-six isn't grit. They all had [JEFF] grit. [CYRUS] [amused] So then what's the difference? [JEFF] I think that's THE question. But part of the answer is a guy from Spokane. [JEFF] McLean needs a box that can come off a truck chassis, get lifted by a [JEFF] crane, and survive being stacked on a ship in the North Atlantic. And somebody points [JEFF] him to an engineer at a trailer company in Spokane, Washington, named Keith Tantlinger. And [JEFF] Tantlinger is a great character. Grew up on an orange grove in Tustin, California. Mechanical [JEFF] engineering at Berkeley. During the war he's designing tooling for B-seventeen bombers at Douglas Aircraft. [JEFF] A man who later worked with him called him a "mechanical genius," and also "a [JEFF] modest man with a sense of humor." Which he's going to need. Because here's the [JEFF] crazy thing. In nineteen forty-nine, six years before McLean ever calls, Tantlinger has already built [JEFF] the box. He designs a thirty-foot aluminum container for a barge line running freight from [JEFF] Seattle up to Alaska. Stackable two high. His company builds two hundred of them. And [JEFF] then... nothing. No repeat orders. The way he's said to have put it later is [JEFF] something like, everybody was interested, but nobody wanted to reach for his pocketbook. [CYRUS] So he's already been through this once. [JEFF] Exactly. He knows what it looks like when the right box dies. So, summer of [JEFF] nineteen fifty-five. Tantlinger brings two prototype boxes to the Bethlehem Steel shipyard outside Baltimore, where [JEFF] McLean's tankers are being converted. And he's planned this whole thing. He's going to meet [JEFF] McLean and his executives at breakfast, give them a proper engineering presentation, walk them through [JEFF] the design. He shows up for breakfast... [amused] and they're gone. They've already left for [JEFF] the yard. So he grabs a cab, chases them out to the shipyard, and when [JEFF] he gets there, he finds McLean and his executives up on top of his prototypes... [JEFF] jumping up and down on them. [CYRUS] To see if it would hold. [JEFF] Yep. He never gives the presentation. And McLean hires him to run engineering. [CYRUS] [deadpan] I love that the due diligence was cardio. [JEFF] That's how you know it's a trucking company. [CYRUS] But here's the funny part. They were jumping on the one part of the box [CYRUS] that doesn't matter. The thing they should have been jumping on was the corners. And [CYRUS] I'll explain that — but let's get the ship to Houston first. Because all of [CYRUS] that — the money, the sale, the engineer — is how a trucker ends up [CYRUS] standing in the rain in Newark in April of nineteen fifty-six, watching that crane. And [CYRUS] less than a week later, the Ideal X ties up in Houston. McLean flies down [CYRUS] to watch. And waiting on the dock are fifty-eight trucks. The crane lifts each box [CYRUS] off the ship, they set it on a chassis, hook it to a tractor, and [CYRUS] drive it away. Straight to wherever it's going. Nobody opens the boxes. No longshoreman touches [CYRUS] the cargo, from the dock in Newark to the customer in Texas. [JEFF] Which is what the guy in the rain was afraid of. [CYRUS] Right. And then McLean's people ran the numbers. In nineteen fifty-six, loading loose cargo onto [CYRUS] a ship the old way cost about five dollars and eighty-three cents a ton. And [CYRUS] they figured the Ideal X at under sixteen cents a ton. [JEFF] [incredulous] That's not a discount. That's a different universe. [CYRUS] Now — to be fair — that's just the loading. It doesn't count the boxes, [CYRUS] or the crane, or the money to convert the ship. And it's McLean's own company's [CYRUS] estimate, so take it with a little salt. But even if you're generous to the [CYRUS] old way, it's pennies on the dollar for the part of the trip that was [CYRUS] eating everybody alive on the Warrior. [JEFF] Five eighty-three down to pennies. Those are the economics that are going to change the [JEFF] world. [CYRUS] It's the reason anybody kept going after the first trip. [CYRUS] Okay. So, the corners. And I think the easiest way to see this is to [CYRUS] start with the box you pass on the highway today, because it's basically the same [CYRUS] idea, just grown up. It's eight feet wide. Twenty or forty feet long. The walls [CYRUS] are corrugated steel about a sixteenth of an inch thick. About as thick as a [CYRUS] nickel. [JEFF] [skeptical] Wait — the whole wall? [CYRUS] Yep. The ridges are what make it stiff. But the walls aren't where the weight [CYRUS] is. Underneath that skin there's a steel frame — four corner posts, heavy steel rails [CYRUS] along the top and bottom, steel cross-members under the floor every foot or so, and [CYRUS] a hardwood floor about an inch thick. Add all of that up and an empty [CYRUS] twenty-footer weighs around five thousand pounds. A full-size pickup truck. The forty, about two pickups. [JEFF] Okay, so that's lighter than I'd have guessed for something that gets stacked on a [JEFF] ship. How does a thing with walls as thin as a nickel hold up eight [JEFF] more boxes? [CYRUS] Because the walls aren't holding anything up. That's the trick. The way I think about [CYRUS] it is Lego. Every Lego brick connects to every other Lego brick, because the studs [CYRUS] are identical. It doesn't matter what color the brick is, or what you're building. A [CYRUS] container is the same thing. Standard outside, anything inside... and all the strength and all [CYRUS] the connections live in eight corners. So, physically: there's a steel post at each of [CYRUS] the four vertical edges. And at the top and the bottom of every post there's [CYRUS] a hollow cast-steel block with an oval hole in it. That's a corner casting. The [CYRUS] weight of the box, and the weight of every box stacked on top of it, [CYRUS] runs down those four posts, through those blocks, into the box below. The walls are [CYRUS] basically a skin. They keep the rain and the thieves out. That's it. And the [CYRUS] roof is a lid. On a modern box, the roof is only rated to hold [CYRUS] up something like a person or two working on it. Which is why the executives [CYRUS] jumping on Tantlinger's roof makes me so happy. They were stress-testing the lid. [JEFF] Okay, so what plugs into the oval hole? [CYRUS] A twistlock. Picture a little steel cone with a head on it. It drops through [CYRUS] the oval, and then it rotates ninety degrees, so the head is now sideways and [CYRUS] can't come back out. And the genius part is that the same eight points do [CYRUS] everything. The same corner locks the box to the box underneath it on a ship. [CYRUS] It locks the box to a truck chassis. To a railcar. And it's how the [CYRUS] crane picks it up. [JEFF] Wait — so the crane uses the exact same holes? There's no hook on top [JEFF] of the thing? [CYRUS] Nope. The crane lowers a steel frame onto the roof — it's called a spreader [CYRUS] — and there's a twistlock at each of the spreader's four corners. They drop into [CYRUS] the four top corner castings, the operator flips a switch in the cab, all four [CYRUS] locks turn at once, and the crane lifts. Nobody climbs up and ties anything. Nobody [CYRUS] touches what's inside. [JEFF] Okay. So the lock holds a box to a box. What keeps a stack of [JEFF] them from sliding around a hold in a storm? Because a crane swinging twenty tons [JEFF] of steel isn't landing it on the exact inch. [CYRUS] So this is the part I think is genuinely clever. The Ideal X was really [CYRUS] a proof of concept. Boxes bolted onto a porch. The real system shows up a [CYRUS] year and a half later. October fourth, nineteen fifty-seven, a ship called the Gateway City [CYRUS] sails out of Newark. Old freighter, gutted and rebuilt. And instead of an open hold [CYRUS] where men stow things by hand, the inside of the hold is a grid of [CYRUS] vertical steel rails. Cells. Each cell is exactly one box wide. And the rails are [CYRUS] flared out at the top, like a funnel. So the crane operator only has to [CYRUS] get close. The box's corners catch the flare and it self-centers and slides straight down [CYRUS] onto the box below. Like dropping a key into a slot. No laser guidance, no [CYRUS] stowing, no lashing below deck. Two hundred and twenty-six boxes. [JEFF] [amused] Wait — October fourth, nineteen fifty-seven. That's the day the Soviets launched Sputnik. [CYRUS] Same day. Which tells you which one made the front page. [JEFF] Fair. [CYRUS] And here's my favorite detail. The Gateway City carried its own cranes. Because there wasn't [CYRUS] a port in America with a crane that could lift those boxes. So the first [CYRUS] real container ship has to bring its own crane with it, everywhere it goes. And [CYRUS] then the last piece: the doors. The box gets packed at the shipper's loading dock, [CYRUS] the doors get closed and sealed there, and the next person to open them is [CYRUS] the customer. [JEFF] [skeptical] Okay, so here's what I don't get. If it's eight steel corners and a [JEFF] latch — why didn't Tantlinger's Alaska boxes take over the world in nineteen forty-nine? Why [JEFF] does this one work? [CYRUS] [deliberate] Because the box was never the invention. Every one of those earlier boxes was [CYRUS] a box by itself. Fitch's boxes fit Fitch's trucks. The Army's boxes fit the Army. [CYRUS] Tantlinger's Alaska boxes fit one barge line. Nobody built a ship around them. Nobody built [CYRUS] a crane around them. Nobody built a terminal, or a truck chassis, or a price [CYRUS] list around them. McLean's insight wasn't the box. It was redesigning everything — the ship, [CYRUS] the crane, the truck, the pricing — around one unit. The box is just the [CYRUS] stud on the Lego. [JEFF] So it's a system. Not a product. [CYRUS] Right. And when you get the whole system, the numbers get kind of absurd. Out [CYRUS] on the West Coast, Matson — the line that runs freight between California and Hawaii [CYRUS] — put its first dockside crane built specifically for containers into service in Alameda, in [CYRUS] January nineteen fifty-nine. A longshore gang working the old way — fifteen, twenty men, with [CYRUS] all the stowing and lashing down in the hold — could move maybe nine tons [CYRUS] of cargo an hour. That crane was moving something like four hundred. And the time [CYRUS] a ship spent sitting in port went from about three weeks... to eighteen hours. [JEFF] Which, if the crane's doing all the work, still sounds like a long day to [JEFF] me. [CYRUS] It's a couple of hundred boxes, and the crane does one every three or four [CYRUS] minutes. So that's most of a day right there. Plus every box on deck is [CYRUS] locked to the one under it, and somebody has to climb up and unlock every [CYRUS] one of those by hand before the crane can touch it. But remember, the ship [CYRUS] is the expensive part. Every day it sits at a pier, it's burning money. Three [CYRUS] weeks to eighteen hours means it's out earning almost all the time. [JEFF] Okay. So, it works. And here's what I think is interesting about who fought it. [JEFF] The customers loved it more or less right away. If you're a company shipping goods [JEFF] from Newark to Houston, a cheaper, faster, sealed box is just good news. The pushback [JEFF] doesn't come from the people using it. It comes from everybody next door in the [JEFF] freight business — the railroads, the longshoremen, the old steamship lines. And the first one [JEFF] is the railroads. Because the railroads have been hauling freight up and down the East [JEFF] Coast for a century, and here's a guy who wants to take it by sea, [JEFF] for less. So the Ideal X sails in April of nineteen fifty-six. [amused] And by [JEFF] May, seven railroads are in federal court trying to stop it. The Pennsylvania, the B [JEFF] and O, the Southern, a bunch of others. And it gets weirder. In nineteen fifty-seven, [JEFF] McLean's company starts publishing rates somewhere around five to seven and a half percent below [JEFF] what the railroads charge for the same freight. And the I-C-C puts about seven hundred [JEFF] of his rates under investigation. So the railroads fight back the obvious way: they cut [JEFF] their own rates. And this is the part I didn't see coming. In nineteen sixty, [JEFF] the I-C-C cancels the railroads' rate cuts. It basically tells the railroads, you have to [JEFF] charge more than the ship line. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] Wait. The regulator is protecting McLean now? [JEFF] The same regulator that made him sell his trucking company is now protecting his ships [JEFF] from the railroads. And it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, which, in [JEFF] nineteen sixty-three, says no, you can't hold up one kind of carrier's prices just to [JEFF] protect another's business. And in the opinion, they quote a congressman who called the I-C-C [JEFF] a "giant handicapper." [CYRUS] That's a great phrase. And that's a regulated market in one line. When the government [CYRUS] sets the prices, the fight isn't really about who's cheaper. It's about who can get [CYRUS] the regulator on their side. [JEFF] Yeah. And I want to be fair to the railroads here, and to the I-C-C. [JEFF] That rule that made McLean sell his truck line exists for a real reason. Somebody [JEFF] who controls the trucks and the ships and the docks can squeeze everybody. That's what [JEFF] the rule was there to stop. And the railroads had sunk enormous amounts of money [JEFF] into track and yards and equipment. Of course they defended it. If you'd been running [JEFF] a railroad in nineteen fifty-six, you'd have done exactly the same thing. And then there's [JEFF] the shipping establishment. The old lines, Holland America, Cunard. And their view, as one historian [JEFF] put it, was that containers were appropriate only for — I love this — "select [JEFF] domestic niche markets." [CYRUS] [dry] The niche being the whole world, eventually. [JEFF] And you can kind of hear the tone. Here's this trucker, and he's not one [JEFF] of them. When the Wall Street Journal wrote about his venture, the Journal's line was [JEFF] that "one of the nation's oldest and sickest industries is embarking on a quiet attempt [JEFF] to cure some of its own ills." [CYRUS] That's brutal. [JEFF] Not wrong, though. And the regulators of the ocean weren't thrilled either. The Coast Guard [JEFF] and the people who certify whether a ship is seaworthy had to be convinced that [JEFF] a tanker with a deck full of boxes stacked on top wasn't going to roll [JEFF] over in a storm. Which is a fair thing to worry about. [CYRUS] And the skeptics I'd have agreed with most were the ones who just looked at [CYRUS] the money. Because this thing lost money. For years. McLean's operation doesn't turn a real [CYRUS] profit until around nineteen sixty-one. Five years after the Ideal X. And if you think [CYRUS] about why, it's kind of obvious. Cranes are expensive. Terminals are expensive. Purpose-built ships are [CYRUS] expensive. And none of it pays off until there's enough of it. No port wants [CYRUS] to build a container crane until there are container ships. No line wants to build [CYRUS] container ships until ports have cranes. So he literally has to put the crane on [CYRUS] the ship. [JEFF] So the people saying "this loses money" were right. [CYRUS] For about five years, they were exactly right. That's what a network looks like from [CYRUS] the outside before the network exists. It looks like a failure. Standard network effect, the [CYRUS] cold-start problem. Like the first person to buy a fax machine — who are you [CYRUS] going to fax? [amused] And then there's the other company doing this, and I love [CYRUS] this part, because it's the opposite personality. While McLean is improvising — converting old tankers, [CYRUS] sizing his boxes to his trucks — Matson does it the careful way. In nineteen [CYRUS] fifty-six they set up what Matson says was the first in-house research department in the [CYRUS] shipping industry, under a guy named Foster Weldon. And instead of just doing it, they [CYRUS] study whether to do it at all. They model the whole business, and they pick [CYRUS] a box size tuned to their trade. Twenty-four feet. They publish the whole analysis in [CYRUS] an academic journal, Operations Research, in nineteen fifty-eight. [JEFF] [amused] So McLean is jumping on boxes, and Matson is writing a paper. [CYRUS] Exactly. And Matson's engineers, a naval architect named Les Harlander and his brother, write the [CYRUS] requirements for a crane that doesn't exist yet. A crane company in the Bay Area [CYRUS] builds it. And that's the crane in Alameda I was talking about. Technically, Matson's system [CYRUS] was probably better engineered. So who wins? [deliberate] Neither of them. McLean's boxes are thirty-five [CYRUS] feet, because that's what fit his trucks and his roads. Matson's are twenty-four, because that's [CYRUS] what fit Hawaii. And when the rest of the world finally sits down to agree [CYRUS] on a box... it doesn't pick either one. We'll get to which size it does [CYRUS] pick, and why, a little later. But neither pioneer's box survives. [JEFF] Huh. Okay, there's one more thing I wanted to ask you about. Because when I [JEFF] was reading about the early routes, the side effects jumped out at me. Shippers start [JEFF] packing their own boxes at their own loading docks. Theft drops. Damage drops. And my [JEFF] assumption was that those were happy accidents. Stuff nobody planned that just fell out of [JEFF] the system. [CYRUS] So that's what I assumed too, and then I went looking. And it turns out [CYRUS] that was the pitch. McLean's whole idea, from the beginning, was the truck. Load it [CYRUS] at the factory, close the doors, open them at the customer. And cutting theft and [CYRUS] damage was one of the main reasons anybody wanted containers at all. That Warrior study [CYRUS] was basically a study of how much cargo gets lost and broken in handling. [JEFF] [reflective] Okay. So they predicted the good stuff. Which makes it a better story. What [JEFF] didn't they predict? [CYRUS] Two things I found. One — theft didn't go away, it changed shape. A researcher [CYRUS] writing in nineteen sixty-nine said containers basically ended the small stuff, but when something did [CYRUS] get stolen, the losses were bigger. Because now people stole the whole box. [JEFF] Never steal anything small. [CYRUS] [amused] Right — they finally took Cagney's advice. And two, the big one: nobody in [CYRUS] nineteen fifty-six was forecasting what happens when moving things gets this cheap. Where factories go. [CYRUS] What happens to the port towns. That's the part nobody saw. [JEFF] So they got the benefits right and missed the scale. I think that's a better [JEFF] lesson than "nobody saw it coming." They saw the part in front of them. [CYRUS] So by about nineteen sixty-one, on the routes where it runs, the world has flipped. [CYRUS] Ships turn around in hours instead of weeks. A box gets packed at a factory [CYRUS] in New Jersey and opened at a warehouse in Texas or Puerto Rico. And on [CYRUS] the pier, you don't need a gang of men in the hold. You need a [CYRUS] crane operator and a couple of guys on the dock. And I think it's worth [CYRUS] saying how close McLean came to building something completely different. His original idea — the [CYRUS] plan in his own filings in nineteen fifty-five — was trailerships. You don't lift the [CYRUS] box off the wheels. You just drive the whole trailer onto the ship, wheels and [CYRUS] all, and drive it off at the other end. And it's simpler. No cranes. No [CYRUS] new ports. You just need a ramp. [JEFF] [skeptical] So why not do that? That sounds like exactly what a trucker would want. [CYRUS] Because of the wheels. Wheels and chassis take up space and you can't stack them. [CYRUS] Every trailer on a ship is a box sitting on a bunch of air and [CYRUS] steel that isn't cargo. And remember, the ship is the expensive part. Whatever lets you [CYRUS] put the most cargo in the most expensive thing wins. A box with no wheels [CYRUS] stacks. A trailer doesn't. So what he'd have built is basically a ferry system. That's [CYRUS] what we'd call roll-on, roll-off today. And it survived for exactly one big thing: cars. [CYRUS] That's why car carriers look like giant floating parking garages. Cars already have their own [CYRUS] wheels. Everything else went in the box. If he'd stuck with trailers, you don't get [CYRUS] stacking, you don't get cells, and you don't get a box that goes from a [CYRUS] ship to a train to a truck without anybody touching it. [JEFF] [reflective] So by nineteen sixty-one, it works. McLean's company has renamed itself Sea-Land, it's finally [JEFF] making money, and Matson's crane is running in Alameda. But it works for one company [JEFF] on the East Coast with thirty-five-foot boxes, and one company in the Pacific with twenty-four-foot [JEFF] boxes. And none of it fits together. And on every pier in America, the men [JEFF] whose work this thing was designed to remove are paying very, very close attention. [CYRUS] And the guy in the rain in Newark wanted to sink it. [JEFF] He did. But on the other coast, there was a union leader who'd already decided [JEFF] you couldn't. And he'd decided it a month before the Ideal X ever sailed. [JEFF] So while that union official in Newark wants to sink the ship, there's a guy [JEFF] on the West Coast who's already decided you can't. And he might be my favorite [JEFF] character in this whole thing. His name is Harry Bridges. Born in Melbourne, Australia, in [JEFF] nineteen-oh-one, goes to sea at sixteen, lands in the U.S. in nineteen twenty, and ends [JEFF] up working the San Francisco docks. And in nineteen thirty-four, he leads the West Coast [JEFF] waterfront strike. It's a huge, violent strike. There's a day in July they still call [JEFF] Bloody Thursday. It turns into a general strike that shuts down San Francisco. And the [JEFF] union wins. They get a union-run hiring hall, which means the end of the shape-up [JEFF] on the West Coast. No more hiring boss pointing at you. So to his guys, [JEFF] he's a hero. To the federal government, not so much. Because Bridges is a radical, [JEFF] and the government is convinced he's a Communist, and they spend about fifteen years trying [JEFF] to deport him. Hearing after hearing. At one point Congress passes a law that was [JEFF] written, in part, so they could deport him. It goes to the Supreme Court, and [JEFF] in nineteen forty-five the Court rules for him. He becomes a citizen. [amused] Then they [JEFF] charge him with lying on his citizenship application. He gets convicted, the Supreme Court overturns [JEFF] it. They come after him again in civil court, and he wins that too, in [JEFF] nineteen fifty-five. [CYRUS] [dry] They really did not want him in the country. [JEFF] Not even a little. So hold that picture. This is a man who won the [JEFF] defining labor fight of his generation, by fighting. And the government spent fifteen years trying [JEFF] to throw him out for it. And then in March of nineteen fifty-six — a [JEFF] month before the Ideal X sails — he stands up in front of the longshoremen's [JEFF] local in Seattle and tells them — this is from the meeting minutes — that [JEFF] the union shouldn't stubbornly fight to keep jobs that have been mechanized. Because machines are [JEFF] already showing up on the West Coast docks before the box ever gets there. In [JEFF] sugar, for example, they've gone to bulk handling — they just pour it. A ten-thousand-ton [JEFF] load of sugar used to take something like sixty-six hundred man-hours to handle. With the [JEFF] new system, about a thousand. A longshoreman in Hawaii later described the old sugar job [JEFF] to a labor writer: "When we used to load sugar onto the ships in a [JEFF] hundred-and-twenty-five-pound sacks, each ship was a seven-day job." Seven days of men carrying sacks. And [JEFF] then one day it's a chute. So Bridges does the math. And at a union [JEFF] meeting in Portland in nineteen fifty-seven, he basically puts it to his members as a [JEFF] choice. Do we keep doing what he called "guerrilla resistance" — all the little work [JEFF] rules, the slow-downs, the limits on how much you can put in a sling, the [JEFF] stuff that makes a job last longer? Or do we sell those rules, and get [JEFF] paid for them? The phrase the men used was getting "a share of the machine." [CYRUS] [deliberate] I mean, that's a really sophisticated way to think about it. He's basically saying, [CYRUS] the machine's coming either way. The only question is who captures the savings. [JEFF] Right. And on October eighteenth, nineteen sixty, they sign it. It's called the Mechanization and [JEFF] Modernization Agreement. And the deal is this. The employers — the shipping companies and the [JEFF] stevedoring firms — get the right to bring in any machine they want and change [JEFF] any work method they want. And in exchange, they put about five million dollars a [JEFF] year, for five and a half years, into a fund. About twenty-nine million dollars total. [JEFF] And that money guarantees every fully registered longshoreman at least thirty-five hours of work or [JEFF] pay a week. And it lets men retire early, at sixty-two, with a pension bridge [JEFF] until Social Security kicks in. And nobody with full registration gets laid off. If the [JEFF] work shrinks, it shrinks by people retiring. [reflective] And here's what I love about it. [JEFF] I think it's a remarkably capitalist answer to a real cost. The automation pays for [JEFF] its own transition, out of its own savings. Nobody's asking the taxpayer to bail anybody [JEFF] out. The people who benefit from the machine write the check to the people the [JEFF] machine displaces. And by one estimate, the employers got something like a hundred and twenty [JEFF] million dollars of productivity out of it, for twenty-nine. [CYRUS] Huh. So it's attrition, but funded. Which is a great trade if you're the employer. [CYRUS] [deliberate] And I'll say it now — that is the first thing I've read in [CYRUS] a long time that even looks like a possible answer for what AI is about [CYRUS] to do to office work. Let the machine pay for the people it replaces. It's [CYRUS] one idea, and I don't want to pretend it's simple — there's a lot you'd [CYRUS] have to work out to make something like that actually run. But file it away. [JEFF] For both sides, I'd argue. But not everybody saw it that way. There's an oral [JEFF] history from a guy named Bill Ward. He was a longshoreman in Los Angeles, a [JEFF] delegate from his local. And he says nine out of the ten delegates from L.A. [JEFF] voted against that first deal, him included. [CYRUS] [skeptical] Against the guy who'd just won them the hiring hall? [JEFF] Almost the whole delegation. And it wasn't that they hated the idea. It was the [JEFF] price. All those little work rules had been won over decades, and he says some [JEFF] people were "leery that there wasn't enough protection in the agreement." Younger guys called it [JEFF] an old man's contract. Because if you were near retirement, it was a fantastic deal. [JEFF] If you were twenty-five, you were selling the rules that were supposed to protect you [JEFF] for the next forty years. And decades later, Ward says, "As it worked out, everyone [JEFF] was taken care of, and some of those guys are still living on pensions today." [CYRUS] [skeptical] Okay, but "everyone" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Because there's [CYRUS] a structure underneath that deal. The guarantee covers fully registered men. They called them A-men. [CYRUS] Below them there were B-men, partially registered, and below them, casuals. And the B-men and [CYRUS] the casuals weren't protected the same way. If the work shrinks, they go first. And [CYRUS] in some ports, a lot of the B-men were Black. In nineteen sixty-three, as the [CYRUS] union was moving B-men up to full status, eighty-two of them in San Francisco were [CYRUS] dropped from the rolls entirely. The union said it was for things like unpaid dues. [CYRUS] The men said they were being targeted, politically and racially. They fought it in court [CYRUS] for something like seventeen years, and lost. [JEFF] Yeah. That's the asterisk on the deal. [CYRUS] And there's one more voice I found that I think is the counterweight to Bill [CYRUS] Ward. It's from Hawaii, and it's about mechanization in general, not containers — sugar again. [CYRUS] A longshoreman in Hilo told a labor writer, years later: "There were three hundred seventy [CYRUS] longshoremen in the port. Now there are thirty-five." And: "Harry was a good man in [CYRUS] his time, but look at us now." [JEFF] [reflective] Both of those things are true. Ward is right that the men inside the [JEFF] deal were taken care of. And that guy in Hilo is right that the port [JEFF] he knew just... went away. [CYRUS] And that's the real math of it. On the West Coast, the number of registered [CYRUS] longshoremen went from about fourteen and a half thousand in nineteen sixty to about eight [CYRUS] thousand four hundred in nineteen eighty. So the union shrinks by about four in ten. [CYRUS] But over that same stretch, the tons of cargo each man moved in an hour [CYRUS] went up more than sixfold. Fewer men, way more cargo. And the guys who stayed [CYRUS] got paid really well. And L.A. and Long Beach turned into the biggest container ports [CYRUS] in the country. That deal is a big part of why. [JEFF] So that's one way to handle the machine. Sell the rules, get a fund, shrink [JEFF] by retirement. And depending on who you ask, Bridges was either a sellout or a [JEFF] visionary for doing it. I think he was a guy who'd won his big fight [JEFF] by fighting, and was smart enough to know this wasn't that kind of fight. [CYRUS] But I think the more interesting thing is what happens back in New York. Because [CYRUS] here's the thing that gets me. Same year, same harbor, two brand-new terminals open. One [CYRUS] of them is the future... and one of them is obsolete the day it opens. [CYRUS] August fifteenth, nineteen sixty-two. Across the harbor from Manhattan, in the marshes of Elizabeth, New [CYRUS] Jersey, the Port Authority opens what it calls the world's first port built for containers. [CYRUS] A few years earlier they'd dredged a channel through the meadows and used the fill [CYRUS] to make new land. And the anchor tenant is Sea-Land, McLean's company, with a terminal [CYRUS] of about ninety acres. And it's basically a parking lot. Ninety acres of flat, open [CYRUS] pavement, where you can line up thousands of boxes on chassis, and cranes, and trucks [CYRUS] coming and going. [dry] Ten weeks later. October twenty-fourth, nineteen sixty-two. On the West Side [CYRUS] of Manhattan, at the foot of West Houston Street, the city opens Pier Forty. A [CYRUS] terminal for Holland America that cost nearly nineteen million dollars. Fourteen and a half acres. [CYRUS] Three decks built around a central courtyard, ramps for trucks and cars, thirty-five hundred steel [CYRUS] piles driven into the Hudson. A beautiful, modern, enormous break-bulk pier. Built for men with [CYRUS] hooks. [JEFF] Same fall. Same harbor. [CYRUS] And just to give you a sense of scale — Sea-Land's terminal alone is something [CYRUS] like six Pier Forties of open pavement. And that's the structural point, for me. Why [CYRUS] couldn't the box just come to Manhattan? Because a finger pier is a long, skinny [CYRUS] shed sticking out into the river. There's nowhere to put the boxes. A container port [CYRUS] needs acres of flat land to stack and sort boxes, room for trucks to line [CYRUS] up, rail lines. Manhattan doesn't have that. And new land doesn't just come with space. [CYRUS] It comes with no workforce, no work rules, no history, no politics. Nobody's uncle has [CYRUS] a job there. [JEFF] So the box doesn't beat the union in a fight. It just... moves. [CYRUS] It moves to empty land. That's how it gets around everybody. And it was already [CYRUS] happening. By nineteen sixty, before Elizabeth even opens, New Jersey's ports are handling sixty-three percent [CYRUS] of the region's cargo. [JEFF] [reflective] And New York wasn't being stupid. Under Mayor Wagner, the city spent heavily rebuilding [JEFF] its piers. And if you're the mayor of New York in nineteen fifty-eight, what do [JEFF] you see? You see tens of thousands of dockworkers. You see neighborhoods that exist because [JEFF] of those piers. You see a tax base. Rebuilding the piers looks prudent. It looks [JEFF] like protecting your people. I think you or I would've made the same call. [CYRUS] It's not a dumb decision. It's a decision to invest in the thing you already [CYRUS] know how to do. Which is the classic incumbent move. [JEFF] And the agency that went around it was the Port Authority. Which is a strange [JEFF] animal — it's a bi-state agency, New York and New Jersey together, and for thirty [JEFF] years it was run by a Brooklyn-born lawyer named Austin Tobin. The same agency that [JEFF] later builds the World Trade Center. And it could build in New Jersey, where the [JEFF] city couldn't. [CYRUS] So the city bets on Manhattan, and the Port Authority bets on the swamp. [JEFF] And the swamp wins. By nineteen seventy, most of Manhattan's piers, including ones the city [JEFF] had just rebuilt, are empty, or turned into something else. Holland America leaves Pier Forty [JEFF] in nineteen seventy-four. And today Pier Forty is a soccer field and a parking garage. [CYRUS] Of course it is. [JEFF] And here's the kicker. About ten years ago, its steel piles were rotting, and to [JEFF] pay for the repairs, the city signed off on selling the pier's air rights — [JEFF] the right to build tall — to a developer across the street. For about a [JEFF] hundred million dollars. [CYRUS] [amused] So the most valuable thing about the pier ended up being the air above [CYRUS] it. [JEFF] So that's the geography. But the guys on the East Coast piers still have a [JEFF] union, and that union has a very different leader. His name is Thomas Gleason. Everybody [JEFF] called him Teddy. And his backstory explains everything he does. He's born in nineteen hundred [JEFF] on Manhattan's West Side, the oldest of thirteen kids. His father is an Irish dockworker. [JEFF] Teddy leaves school after seventh grade and goes to work right beside his father on [JEFF] the Charles Street Pier. Thirty-five cents an hour. Through the shape-up, with the kickbacks and [JEFF] everything. In the early thirties he gets blacklisted for union organizing. Can't work the docks. [JEFF] His family gets evicted. He ends up pushing a hand truck in a sugar factory [JEFF] in Brooklyn. Then he works his way back, becomes an organizer, and his own union [JEFF] boss fires him at least three times. And every time, the rank and file protest [JEFF] until they hire him back. One biography describes him as a "fireplug of a man." [JEFF] About five foot six. [CYRUS] [amused] I like him already. [JEFF] And by the sixties he's running the whole union, the I-L-A, from Maine to Texas. [JEFF] And I think if you've been blacklisted, evicted, and fired by your own boss, your [JEFF] instinct is going to be very simple. You want a guaranteed income. Nobody should ever [JEFF] be able to take the paycheck away again. [CYRUS] That makes total sense. And the East Coast union had its own version of the [CYRUS] B-men problem. In Brooklyn, there was a segregated local for Black longshoremen. Local nine sixty-eight. [CYRUS] And because its members didn't control a pier of their own, they never had steady [CYRUS] work. They were always out looking for it. So when protections get tied to who's [CYRUS] already working steadily, you'd expect men like that to be the first ones squeezed out. [CYRUS] And here's the surprise. One study from the seventies found it partly went the other [CYRUS] way. When the work moved to New Jersey, it moved to piers where no white [CYRUS] local controlled the hiring, where more of the workforce was already Black, and where the [CYRUS] new seniority rules actually protected those men as white longshoremen followed the work across the [CYRUS] harbor. In Newark, a Black local and a white local split the work about evenly. [JEFF] Huh. That's not the direction I'd have guessed. [CYRUS] Me neither. And it's one study, and it's about Newark, not Brooklyn — Local nine [CYRUS] sixty-eight itself was promised a merger with the big white local in Brooklyn that never [CYRUS] went through, and it was left leaderless. But it's a real complication to the clean [CYRUS] story. The box didn't only take. On that one pier, for those men, it also [CYRUS] opened a door that the old system had kept shut. [JEFF] So in nineteen sixty-four, Gleason actually negotiates a deal. And here's the part that surprised [JEFF] me, because I'd always heard this as "the West Coast negotiated and the East Coast [JEFF] fought." It's not quite that. Gleason agrees to let the employers cut the size of [JEFF] a work gang from twenty men to seventeen. And in exchange, his men get a [JEFF] guaranteed annual income. He calls it the best contract in the history of the union. [JEFF] And his members vote it down. [CYRUS] [skeptical] Why would they turn down the best contract in the union's history? [JEFF] Well, put yourself in their boots. Twenty men down to seventeen is three jobs out [JEFF] of every gang, gone, in exchange for a promise. These guys have watched what the [JEFF] machines did on the West Coast. They know the box is coming to their pier. [JEFF] And they've spent their whole working lives in a system where the guy at the [JEFF] top of the union wasn't always on their side. I don't think you have to [JEFF] be paranoid to read that deal and think, this is the first step, not the [JEFF] last one. And on the facts, they were right. The box was going to take [JEFF] most of the work. The savings were going to go to the shipping companies and [JEFF] the customers. And the bill was going to land on them and their neighborhoods. All [JEFF] of that turned out to be true. They just couldn't stop it. So they vote [JEFF] it down. And walk out. From Maine to Texas. Hundreds of ships sit idle. And [JEFF] Gleason gives this interview to TIME magazine that I just love, where he says, "The [JEFF] men in this union fight like hell and walk out at the drop of a [JEFF] hat." And then: "Nobody understands this union." [CYRUS] Said by the guy who runs it. [JEFF] Right? So he goes on the radio, takes questions from his own members who phone [JEFF] in. He mails every man a pamphlet. And eventually, in February of nineteen sixty-five, they [JEFF] go back to work on essentially the deal he'd negotiated in the first place. The [JEFF] guarantee kicks in in nineteen sixty-six: sixteen hundred hours a year, paid whether there's work [JEFF] or not. And then after another strike, in nineteen sixty-eight and sixty-nine, it goes up [JEFF] to two thousand eighty hours. That's a full forty-hour week, every week, all year. And [JEFF] in that same settlement they get something called the fifty-mile rule — which tries to [JEFF] follow the work wherever the box goes. [CYRUS] And the wild part is that all through the mid-sixties, the union was still officially [CYRUS] saying containers hadn't hurt employment yet. While it was bargaining down gang sizes because of [CYRUS] them. Which is exactly what people say about AI and jobs right now. "Hasn't hurt [CYRUS] employment yet." Okay, so who's writing the check for this guarantee? Because the employers didn't [CYRUS] just eat it. [JEFF] A royalty. In New York it's a fee on every container that comes through the [JEFF] port. So the box is literally paying the men it put out of work. And [JEFF] by some accounts, a man on the list could collect even if he simply chose [JEFF] not to show up. [CYRUS] [dry] That's a very generous definition of "guaranteed." And I'd bet the shipping companies noticed [CYRUS] which ports charged that fee and which didn't. [JEFF] They did. Levinson has argued that the container fees helped push traffic south, toward ports [JEFF] like Savannah and Charleston and Hampton Roads. So the guarantee protected the men in New [JEFF] York... and helped send the work somewhere else. [CYRUS] [deliberate] Look at the difference in incentives, though. On the surface, both coasts did the [CYRUS] same thing. They both sold work rules for money. But Bridges took a fixed pot [CYRUS] of money to buy his guys an exit — early retirement, shrink by attrition, done. [CYRUS] Gleason got an open-ended guarantee to stay. And if you're an employer, and every man [CYRUS] on that list gets paid forty hours a week whether you use him or not... [CYRUS] why would you ever add another name? [JEFF] You wouldn't. [CYRUS] Exactly. So the list closes. And it did. A New Jersey legislative committee said in [CYRUS] the late nineties that the longshore register had been closed to new permanent members for [CYRUS] almost thirty years. New York basically stopped hiring longshoremen for a generation. Paying the men [CYRUS] you have not to work is a promise. And the next generation pays for it. [CYRUS] Because the guy who would have gotten that job in nineteen seventy — he doesn't [CYRUS] get it. Ever. [JEFF] That's a whole career. And it got expensive. It started at under two million dollars [JEFF] a year. By nineteen eighty-three, one estimate had it around seventy million a year. An [JEFF] industry study said it was hurting the port's ability to compete. And Marc Levinson points [JEFF] out that as late as two thousand five, decades later, there was still a tax [JEFF] on containers in New York funding payments to longshoremen. [CYRUS] [incredulous] Wait, still? [JEFF] Decades later. And I think you can see how a man like Gleason would feel [JEFF] about that, looking back. He got exactly what a blacklisted kid from Charles Street would [JEFF] want. Nobody on his list ever lost his income. And the union he loved just... [JEFF] stopped growing. [CYRUS] [reflective] Neither man was wrong about his members, is the thing. Bridges got his guys [CYRUS] a good exit. Gleason got his guys a floor nobody could take away. [JEFF] It's just that one of those designs was a ramp, and one of them was [JEFF] a wall. And a wall keeps out the next guy, too. [CYRUS] And meanwhile, back on the West Coast, there's a smaller version of the New York [CYRUS] story playing out across San Francisco Bay, in Oakland. So the story goes that at [CYRUS] a transportation club meeting in San Francisco in nineteen sixty, the head of San Francisco's [CYRUS] port waved off containers as a passing fad. And Ben Nutter, an engineer at the [CYRUS] Port of Oakland who'd soon be running it, joked that fine, Oakland would take the [CYRUS] containers and San Francisco could keep the break-bulk. And San Francisco's guy said, more or [CYRUS] less, deal. [JEFF] Oakland took it. [CYRUS] [amused] Very much so. Nutter goes after Sea-Land, and in nineteen sixty-two Sea-Land picks Oakland. [CYRUS] He hires a representative in Japan, and in nineteen sixty-eight, six Japanese shipping lines choose [CYRUS] Oakland over San Francisco. [JEFF] So San Francisco just blew it. [CYRUS] [skeptical] See, this is where I'd push back a little. Because I went and looked [CYRUS] at the longer history, and San Francisco's port was already in trouble before anybody had [CYRUS] heard of a container. It had been declining since right after the war. Its piers [CYRUS] were old, with narrow aprons and columns inside the sheds and congested approaches. Oakland had [CYRUS] flat land and direct rail. Oakland was taking tonnage away from San Francisco before it [CYRUS] ever built a container terminal. The box sped it up. A lot. San Francisco's port [CYRUS] went from about five million tons a year in the mid-sixties to under two million [CYRUS] by the late seventies. But the geography was already shifting. The container just decided how [CYRUS] fast. [JEFF] [reflective] I like that, because it's the thing I'm always suspicious of in these stories. [JEFF] One cause, one villain, one bad decision. Usually there are five things happening at once. [CYRUS] And there's a piece of this I think complicates something you said earlier. You said [CYRUS] the customers loved the box, and the fight came from next door. I think that's [CYRUS] mostly right. But are the longshoremen really next door? If the product is moving stuff [CYRUS] across an ocean, the men who load the ship are part of the product. They're [CYRUS] the incumbents. And the big ocean carriers weren't exactly cheering either. They didn't picket. But [CYRUS] they ran these rate cartels, the shipping conferences, and a study for the federal Maritime [CYRUS] Administration in nineteen sixty-three basically blamed the conferences' conservatism for slowing containers down. The old [CYRUS] lines were afraid boxes would push rates down. Levinson points out the North Atlantic conference [CYRUS] tariffs didn't even have a category for containers. There was no price for a box. [JEFF] You can't order it if it's not on the menu. Okay, that's fair. So maybe [JEFF] the better version is: the people who bought the shipping loved the box. The people [JEFF] who got paid to handle it, or sold a different way to move it, fought [JEFF] it. [CYRUS] Yeah. That's the right version. [JEFF] So what does all of it add up to? On Manhattan's piers, by one count [JEFF] from Levinson's book, the amount of longshore work fell by something like nine-tenths in about [JEFF] a dozen years, from the early sixties to the mid-seventies. And I want to add [JEFF] the thing that I think usually gets left out. The register — the list of [JEFF] men entitled to work New York's docks — had already been cut roughly in half [JEFF] before containers mattered. In the fifties and early sixties, the Waterfront Commission — which was [JEFF] set up to clean the mob out of the docks — went through that list [JEFF] and purged thousands of part-timers and no-shows. So some of the headcount drop everybody blames [JEFF] on the box was actually an anti-corruption campaign. Those were names on a list, mostly, [JEFF] not days of work. The days of work really did collapse, and that was the [JEFF] box. It's always more than one thing. But by the seventies, the West Side piers [JEFF] are empty, Red Hook is empty, Hoboken's waterfront is empty. The work went to Elizabeth [JEFF] and Newark, and to Oakland and Long Beach. And the waterfront stopped being where the [JEFF] city worked. [CYRUS] And you have to picture what that looks like, because it's not a statistic, it's [CYRUS] a place. In London, by nineteen eighty, the last of the old docks on the [CYRUS] Isle of Dogs close, and it's miles of empty water. The cranes are still standing, [CYRUS] nothing hanging from them. Warehouses with the windows out. The pubs on the corner, if [CYRUS] they're open at all, are empty, because the four o'clock shift that used to fill [CYRUS] them doesn't exist. Liverpool's south docks just silt up. And in Red Hook, the big [CYRUS] container port the city drew up never gets built, and the western shore just empties [CYRUS] out. I picture grass coming up through the cobblestones in front of the piers. The [CYRUS] buildings are all still there. The reason for them is gone. So — did you [CYRUS] see the British study? Because I think it changes how you think about who actually [CYRUS] lost. [JEFF] I saw a reference to it. Walk me through it. [CYRUS] So two economists, Zouheir El-Sahli and Richard Upward, tracked dockworkers in England and Wales over [CYRUS] forty years using census data. Britain went through the same thing, containers emptying out the [CYRUS] old docks in London and Liverpool. And they had a protection scheme for registered dockers [CYRUS] kind of like ours, that lasted until nineteen eighty-nine. And the question was, what happened [CYRUS] to those men? And the answer is — the dockworkers themselves did not do worse [CYRUS] than comparable workers who'd never been on the docks. Their jobs, their earnings, more or [CYRUS] less fine. Partly because of the protections, partly because the industry mostly shrank by not [CYRUS] hiring. So who lost? The places. Employment in the port districts was about the same [CYRUS] as other districts in nineteen seventy-one, maybe a little higher. Twenty years later, it was [CYRUS] significantly lower. Forty years later, still lower. [JEFF] Why the places, though, and not the people? [CYRUS] Partly because of what a gang actually was. There's a San Francisco longshoreman, Herb Mills, [CYRUS] who wrote about it, and he says men joined a particular gang to "regularly work [CYRUS] with one or more friends or relatives." So the gang was your brother-in-law and the [CYRUS] guy from your parish. When the work moves across the harbor to a terminal with [CYRUS] a crane, that's not just a job leaving. That's the social life of a neighborhood [CYRUS] leaving. [JEFF] [reflective] So the cost didn't really fall on the man with the hook. It fell [JEFF] on his street. And on his son. The kid who would have gotten that job [JEFF] in nineteen fifty-five, from his uncle, the way Red Barrett did... and in nineteen seventy-five, [JEFF] there's no job to get. Nobody fired him. He just never got hired. [CYRUS] Yeah. [JEFF] And this is the cost. The system worked exactly the way it was designed to. [JEFF] Cargo got cheaper. Everything in every store got cheaper, for everybody, for decades. That's real, [JEFF] and it's huge. And a family in Red Hook still lost something that wasn't coming [JEFF] back. Both things are true. You don't have to pretend the second one away to [JEFF] believe in the first one. [CYRUS] And the son doesn't show up in anybody's numbers. That's the hard part. There's no [CYRUS] statistic for a job that never existed. [JEFF] Right. So the winners are pretty clear: Elizabeth and Newark, Oakland, Long Beach, the fully [JEFF] registered men with their pensions, and every customer everywhere. The losers are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Hoboken, [JEFF] San Francisco's waterfront, the B-men... and the next generation. [CYRUS] And people do ask whether New York could have kept it. I don't think so. [CYRUS] Not at scale. If the Port Authority hadn't built in the marshes, the boxes don't [CYRUS] come to Red Hook. There's no land, the streets are jammed, there's no rail. They [CYRUS] go to Baltimore, or Norfolk. New York loses the port either way. Just later, and [CYRUS] to another state. The box didn't decide whether. It decided how fast, and to whom. [JEFF] And I've wondered the same thing about the two unions. What if Bridges had fought [JEFF] like Gleason? My guess is the West Coast mechanizes slower, angrier, and ends up in [JEFF] about the same place. Smaller union, more machines. Just with more scars. [CYRUS] Probably. Okay, so by the mid-sixties, America has its labor deals and its first container [CYRUS] ports. [JEFF] But here's the problem. McLean's boxes are thirty-five feet long. Matson's are twenty-four. Another line, [JEFF] Grace Line, is using seventeen. None of them fit each other's ships, or each other's [JEFF] cranes. It's like everybody built their own railroad gauge. [CYRUS] So the box works... but only inside your own company. [JEFF] Right. And the one time an American line tried to take a container ship to [JEFF] a foreign port, the dockworkers there didn't strike, or negotiate. They just refused to touch [JEFF] it. And they won. [JEFF] So you'd think, okay, once it works in Newark and Oakland, it just spreads. Everybody [JEFF] sees the numbers, everybody copies it. And the first time an American line tried it [JEFF] overseas, it went about as badly as it possibly could. We have to rewind a [JEFF] little, to before the West Coast deal is even signed. Nineteen sixty. There's an old-line [JEFF] American shipping company called Grace Line. Very established, very blue-chip, big in the South American [JEFF] trade. And they decide they're going to containerize their run to Venezuela. They take a [JEFF] World War Two freighter called the Santa Eliana, they put her in a shipyard in [JEFF] Baltimore for nine months, and they rebuild her. Cut her in half, add a forty-five-foot [JEFF] section in the middle, widen her, put three cranes on rails on her deck, fit [JEFF] her hold with cells for almost five hundred boxes. Three and a half million dollars. [JEFF] And they order fifteen hundred containers. Their own size. Seventeen feet long. [CYRUS] [dry] Of course. Everybody gets their own size. [JEFF] It's a theme. So in January of nineteen sixty she loads up at Port Newark [JEFF] and heads south. And on February second, she pulls into La Guaira, which is the [JEFF] port for Caracas. [deliberate] And the Venezuelan dockworkers look at this ship full of sealed [JEFF] boxes... and they refuse to touch it. Not a strike. They just won't work the [JEFF] ship. So there's an eighteen-day standoff. And the way it ends is, the cargo finally [JEFF] comes off, and Grace Line agrees not to use container ships on that route. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] So the dockworkers won. [JEFF] Completely. And here's the part I didn't know until I dug into it. This wasn't [JEFF] a local thing. The Venezuelan longshoremen's union — fourteen thousand members, led by two men [JEFF] named Martín Correa and Crisanto Quintero, who'd both done time in jail and in exile [JEFF] under the dictatorship there — had a pact with Teddy Gleason's people in New York. [JEFF] They pledged not to work Grace's container ships until Grace settled with the I-L-A. So [JEFF] La Guaira and the West Side of Manhattan were one fight. Grace spent two years [JEFF] trying to get the Venezuelans to accept a crew about a tenth the normal size. [JEFF] They wouldn't. And when Grace finally restarted the service, in late nineteen sixty-two, it was [JEFF] on the condition that it hired full longshore gangs anyway. Which means the boxes saved [JEFF] them nothing. And in nineteen sixty-four, Grace gives up and sells both ships to — [JEFF] guess who. [CYRUS] McLean. [JEFF] Of course. And I think it's worth being fair to those Venezuelan dockworkers, because we [JEFF] don't have their side of it in their own words, only what American sources say [JEFF] about them. But their argument was exactly the argument the longshoremen in New York were [JEFF] making. This box takes our work. And the difference is, they had more leverage. And [JEFF] they used it. And for a while, they won. [CYRUS] Which is a reminder that the timing wasn't inevitable, even if the economics were. The [CYRUS] box was coming. But who got to say when, and on what terms — that [CYRUS] was up for grabs, port by port. [JEFF] Right. Anybody who held out forever was going to get cut out of the supply [JEFF] chain that was forming. But "eventually" can be a long time if you're the guy [JEFF] on the pier. And the old European and American lines mostly felt the same way, [JEFF] for different reasons. They had enormous fleets of conventional ships, built and paid for, and [JEFF] their conferences didn't even have a price for a box. To them, containers were a [JEFF] domestic novelty. [CYRUS] [deliberate] Which was a perfectly sound position. Right up until the North Atlantic flipped. If [CYRUS] your whole balance sheet is break-bulk ships, the box isn't an opportunity. It's a write-off. [JEFF] Exactly. Which brings up the other problem. Because even at home, nobody's boxes fit together. [JEFF] McLean's are thirty-five feet. Matson's are twenty-four. Grace has seventeen. And in nineteen fifty-eight, the [JEFF] U.S. Navy looks at this and gets nervous. Because if there's ever a war, the [JEFF] Navy might have to use these commercial ships to move supplies. And if every company's [JEFF] boxes are a different size, with different fittings, you can't mix them, you can't swap [JEFF] cranes, you can't do anything. So the Navy and the federal Maritime Administration push the [JEFF] industry to agree on a standard. And a national standards committee gets going. [CYRUS] Committees. My favorite. [deliberate] And I'll say this, politics aside: this is one more place [CYRUS] where a standard pushed from the top turned out to be enormously valuable. The interstate [CYRUS] highways are the same story. America was never the zero-government version of itself that people [CYRUS] like to imagine. A lot of what worked was partly regulated, partly subsidized, partly standardized [CYRUS] by somebody in Washington — and then the market ran on top of it. [JEFF] And this one is a great piece of institutional drama, so stay with me. The [JEFF] width is easy. It's eight feet, because that's what the highway rules allow. The height [JEFF] settles at eight feet. Length is the fight. People propose twenty and forty. Twelve and [JEFF] twenty-four, which is Matson's family. Seventeen and thirty-five, which is McLean's. And where do those [JEFF] numbers come from? Forty feet was the railroads' number — the classic boxcar length. Thirty-five [JEFF] was McLean's, because that was the longest trailer legal in every state. [amused] And then [JEFF] in nineteen fifty-nine, a bunch of states raise their trailer limits to forty feet. [CYRUS] [exhales] And thirty-five loses its whole reason to exist. [JEFF] Overnight. So in nineteen sixty-one the committee settles on ten, twenty, thirty, and forty. And [JEFF] neither pioneer's size is on the list. Sea-Land and Matson together are carrying something like [JEFF] seventy percent of America's container traffic, and the standard says both of their fleets are [JEFF] the wrong size. And neither company accepted it. They went to Washington, they lobbied, and [JEFF] Congress actually changed the law so that the standard sizes wouldn't get preference for government [JEFF] business. And I think the fair thing is to let the committee speak for itself, [JEFF] because I don't think they were out to get anybody. The longtime chairman of the [JEFF] international committee wrote later that the sizes didn't match either company's boxes, and that "this [JEFF] was not a wilful effort to isolate the two pioneering companies." It was the result [JEFF] of building something that would have to work everywhere, not just on two routes. [CYRUS] Right. And you notice who set the numbers. The width came from highways. The length [CYRUS] came from railroads. The people who actually ran the ships didn't get their size. [JEFF] Which is the thing I keep noticing in this story. The shipping companies weren't the [JEFF] ones deciding. The neighbors were — the trucks and the railroads. And I think that's [JEFF] because you can refit a ship. You can't re-pour every highway bridge in the country, [JEFF] and you can't rebuild every railcar. The two enormous empires on land set the terms, [JEFF] and the ships adjusted. [CYRUS] And one of the old Sea-Land executives said it best. He said, "Twenty and forty [CYRUS] foot was never the right size." [JEFF] Which is the most honest thing anyone's ever said about a standard. It doesn't have [JEFF] to be right. It has to be the same. And then it goes international, and [JEFF] it's the same fight with more languages. The Europeans wanted a slightly wider box — [JEFF] two and a half meters, about two and a half inches wider. The Americans, the [JEFF] British, the Japanese held out for eight feet. And Europe gave in on the width [JEFF] to keep the forty-foot length, because they thought the forty was indispensable. [CYRUS] So the box we have is literally a trade. [JEFF] It's a bargain, not an optimum. But here's the part that really matters. Because the [JEFF] size is almost the easy part. The part that has to be identical — not [JEFF] close, identical — is the corner. [CYRUS] Because every crane, every truck, every twistlock, every cell on every ship grabs the box [CYRUS] by its corners. [JEFF] Exactly. Get the corner wrong and nothing fits anything. And by nineteen sixty-two, there are [JEFF] two designs on the table. One is Tantlinger's corner, from nineteen fifty-five. Which Sea-Land owns [JEFF] a patent on. The other is from a company called National Castings, and their design [JEFF] was built, as Tantlinger put it, to skirt around Sea-Land's patent. And here's the twist. [JEFF] Tantlinger doesn't work for Sea-Land anymore. He left in nineteen fifty-eight for Fruehauf, the big [JEFF] trailer maker. And he's now chairing the committee's task force on exactly this question — [JEFF] how you lift and lock a box. And I have to tell you one detail [JEFF] about him, because I love it. He had a habit of scribbling comments all around [JEFF] the margins of any report anybody sent him. So many that his colleagues reportedly had [JEFF] a name for them. Tantograms. [CYRUS] That's the most engineer thing I've ever heard. [JEFF] Right? And he later described the whole process as a dog fight. A mix of [JEFF] proprietary interests and business relationships. Because here's the deadlock. The rival design was rejected because [JEFF] it wasn't proven and it wasn't cost-competitive. And Sea-Land's design was proven... but it was [JEFF] patented. And a standards committee basically won't make a patented part the national standard. You [JEFF] can't make the whole country pay one company a royalty every time it builds a [JEFF] box. [CYRUS] So the good design is locked up, and the open design isn't good enough. [JEFF] That's the deadlock. And so Tantlinger, who no longer works there, goes back to his [JEFF] old boss. And he asks Malcom McLean to give it away. [CYRUS] [deliberate] And remember, this is the same committee that just told McLean his thirty-five-foot box [CYRUS] is non-standard. [JEFF] Yep. And McLean says yes. There's a letter dated January twenty-ninth, nineteen sixty-three, releasing Sea-Land's [JEFF] corner fitting and twistlock patents, so the industry could use them and change them. Royalty-free. [CYRUS] [awed] That's the move. Putting the whole industry ahead of your own slice of it. [JEFF] Grow the pie instead of guarding the slice. And it still takes years. In nineteen [JEFF] sixty-four, at the international meeting in Hamburg, the U.S. shows up without even having its [JEFF] own standard approved at home. And Tantlinger presents the design anyway and hands out half-scale [JEFF] models of the fitting, so people can see how it works. [CYRUS] I love that. Show-and-tell. Like, here, hold it. [JEFF] Here, turn it in your hand. And in nineteen sixty-five, at The Hague, they accept [JEFF] it unanimously. And then — in real life, when the fittings go into service, they [JEFF] turn out not to be strong enough. So the committee meets again in Genoa in [JEFF] nineteen sixty-six and orders thicker, stronger castings. And in June of nineteen sixty-seven, the international [JEFF] standards body finally approves the corner fitting. The size standard is published the next year. [CYRUS] So the corner on every box today isn't exactly McLean's corner. [JEFF] No, and I think that's important. The committee changed it, strengthened it, adjusted it. What [JEFF] McLean's release did was break the deadlock. It let a proven design become the starting [JEFF] point. And it wasn't just Sea-Land, either — a few years later another trailer company [JEFF] released its own twistlock patent. One of the old Sea-Land executives said McLean "decided it [JEFF] was better to give up those patents and grow the industry rather than keep them [JEFF] as a proprietary item." And he said he considers giving up those patents the most [JEFF] important decision ever made in the containerization and intermodal industry. [CYRUS] Okay, and I want to make the case that this wasn't charity. Because I think [CYRUS] people hear "he gave it away" and think he was being nice. And maybe he [CYRUS] was. But it was also the smartest business decision he made. A container is worth [CYRUS] more the more places it fits. If Sea-Land keeps its corner proprietary, Sea-Land's boxes don't [CYRUS] fit anybody else's cranes and nobody else's boxes fit Sea-Land's ships. So the whole network [CYRUS] stays small. Owning the standard means owning a big slice of a very small pie. [CYRUS] Giving it away means a smaller slice of the biggest pie in the history of [CYRUS] shipping. One economics firm that studied it put it pretty bluntly: McLean wasn't acting out [CYRUS] of altruism. He saw that opening up the patent would make the whole market bigger. [JEFF] [reflective] And this is the thing I learned back at IBM that I think about [JEFF] all the time. The difference between invention and innovation. Invention is building the new thing. [JEFF] Innovation is making it scale, making it practical, making it something the whole world can [JEFF] actually use. The invention here was the box. The innovation that changed the world was [JEFF] the least patentable part of it... and the guy who owned it gave it away. [CYRUS] And you see this over and over. USB is the one I always think of. [CYRUS] A bunch of computer companies that compete with each other all day long get together [CYRUS] in the nineties and agree on one plug. Because every one of them knew that [CYRUS] if anybody tried to make real money off the plug itself, it would slow the [CYRUS] whole thing down, or kill it. And now everything charges off the same cable. [JEFF] [skeptical] Mostly. But here's the counterexample. Apple ran its own proprietary port on the iPhone [JEFF] for about a decade. And it made a lot of money doing it — they [JEFF] controlled who could make accessories. Until the European Union passed a law and made them [JEFF] switch to USB-C. [CYRUS] Which is the Navy in nineteen fifty-eight. Sometimes the government has to make everybody agree. [JEFF] That's fair. And I'll add one more counterweight, because I don't want to make the [JEFF] committee sound like it was handing out halos. Committees aren't always wise. This one stranded [JEFF] the two companies that had actually built the thing. Sea-Land and Matson ran non-standard fleets [JEFF] for years, and Sea-Land eventually had to convert ships to fit the standard everybody else [JEFF] had agreed to. [CYRUS] Right. The pioneers paid the switching cost. [JEFF] They did. So owning the standard can pay, for a while. But the stuff that [JEFF] becomes infrastructure tends to end up being stuff nobody owns. [CYRUS] So okay, I want to stop here for a second and actually describe the thing [CYRUS] they agreed to. Because I went down a rabbit hole on this, and the details [CYRUS] are genuinely great. [JEFF] [amused] Of course you did. All right — let's have it. [CYRUS] So the two sizes everybody actually uses ended up being the twenty and the forty. [CYRUS] And here's my favorite detail. A twenty-foot container isn't twenty feet long. It's nineteen feet, [CYRUS] ten and a half inches. Because two twenties, end to end, plus the little gap [CYRUS] between them when they're stacked, add up to exactly one forty. So in any slot [CYRUS] on a ship or a chassis built for a forty, you can drop two twenties [CYRUS] instead. It's the Lego thing again. And here's a weird one: a forty-footer is allowed [CYRUS] to carry less cargo weight than a twenty. A typical box is rated to a [CYRUS] bit over thirty tonnes, box plus cargo, and the twenty and the forty are rated [CYRUS] to roughly the same maximum. So the forty, which weighs more empty, has less left [CYRUS] over for cargo. A forty runs out of space, and a twenty runs out of [CYRUS] weight. Which is exactly how U-Haul boxes work. The tiny boxes are for books. The [CYRUS] giant boxes, they tell you, are for pillows and blankets. Same thing here: tiles, metal, [CYRUS] paper go in twenties, and the light bulky stuff goes in forties. [JEFF] Huh. So the small box is the heavy box. [CYRUS] Every time. And here's the part that answered my own question, because I kept wondering [CYRUS] why they'd rate a box heavier than anybody can legally drive. The box usually isn't [CYRUS] the limit. The road is. A truck on an American interstate can weigh eighty thousand [CYRUS] pounds, total, and there's a federal formula that spreads that weight across the axles, specifically [CYRUS] to protect bridges. By the time you count the tractor, the chassis, and the empty [CYRUS] box, you're left with something like forty-four thousand pounds of cargo. So a forty-foot box [CYRUS] can legally hold about a third more than an American highway will let a truck [CYRUS] carry in it. [JEFF] So the box is overbuilt for the road. [CYRUS] Right — but not for the ocean. At sea, the thing that matters is the [CYRUS] stack. A standard box is typically rated to hold up something like a hundred and [CYRUS] ninety tonnes sitting on top of it. That's roughly eight loaded boxes stacked on top [CYRUS] of it, so nine high. And they test it beyond that, because the ship pitches [CYRUS] in heavy seas and everything gets heavier for a second. All of it through the [CYRUS] four corner posts, while the roof can basically hold a guy with a clipboard. Then [CYRUS] the doors. There are two doors at one end, and each has two vertical steel [CYRUS] bars with handles. You turn the handle, and cams at the top and bottom of [CYRUS] each bar wedge into slots on the frame, which squeezes a rubber gasket to make [CYRUS] it watertight. And there's a rule — you always open the right door first. The [CYRUS] seals overlap in the middle, and if you open the left one first, they jam. [JEFF] Wait, so there's an etiquette? [CYRUS] Oh, it's a whole thing. And the seal — the "sealed at the factory" part [CYRUS] — is usually a numbered steel bolt that goes through the handle. The shipper puts [CYRUS] it on. The customer cuts it off. And before you ask — customs, mostly, doesn't [CYRUS] cut it off either. Customs works from the paperwork. The manifest, who shipped it, where [CYRUS] it came from, whether that shipper's been trouble before. And it picks a small fraction [CYRUS] to actually look at. Which is going to matter later in this story. [deliberate] And [CYRUS] who makes them? China. Almost all of them. As of a few years ago, something [CYRUS] like ninety-six percent of the regular dry boxes in the world, and essentially all of [CYRUS] the refrigerated ones. A handful of Chinese companies dominate. And the price for a new [CYRUS] one is roughly what a cheap used car costs. A few thousand dollars. Which roughly [CYRUS] doubled during the pandemic crunch, when everybody suddenly needed boxes. [JEFF] [amused] So the thing that runs global trade costs about as much as an old [JEFF] used Honda. [CYRUS] Pretty much. Which is kind of the point. It has to be cheap and dumb. [CYRUS] All the intelligence is in the agreement. [JEFF] So now there's a standard. But there's still a problem. Nobody has proven you can [JEFF] run this thing across the Pacific at scale. And the way it gets proven is, [JEFF] I think, the single most unexpected turn in the story. Because it's the Vietnam War. [JEFF] By nineteen sixty-five, the U.S. is pouring men and equipment into South Vietnam. And South [JEFF] Vietnam has, essentially, two deep-water ports. Saigon and Cam Ranh Bay. And Saigon is completely [JEFF] overwhelmed. One Army staff officer's report from November of sixty-five describes about a hundred ships [JEFF] sitting in the harbors or anchored offshore on a given day, with room to unload [JEFF] maybe forty-five of them at a time. And ships waiting, sometimes, as long as two [JEFF] months. In a war zone. And the same account has this detail I can't shake. [JEFF] A freighter carrying thirty thousand bags of cement, being unloaded by a single Army landing [JEFF] craft that could move three to eight hundred bags a day, depending on the weather. [CYRUS] [incredulous] So, what — I'm doing the math — five weeks? Three months? For one [CYRUS] ship? [JEFF] Somewhere in there. It's the Warrior, but in a war zone. [CYRUS] [exhales] Every bag lifted by hand. [JEFF] Yep. So McLean, who by all accounts is kind of obsessed with getting his ships [JEFF] into Vietnam, goes after the Army. And the person he gets to is a general [JEFF] named Frank Besson, who runs Army Materiel Command. And Besson is the perfect person for [JEFF] McLean to land on, because he's a railroad man. In World War Two, he ran [JEFF] a military railroad in Iran, moving supplies to the Soviets. After the war, during the [JEFF] occupation, he ran Japan's railroads — which are famous to this day — and rebuilt [JEFF] them. Later on he'd be one of the founding directors of Amtrak. So he gets [JEFF] logistics in his bones. He lets McLean study the problem, and in nineteen sixty-six, Sea-Land [JEFF] gets a military contract to run container ships from Oakland to Okinawa. And in nineteen [JEFF] sixty-seven, into Vietnam itself. The first Sea-Land container ship pulls into Da Nang in the [JEFF] summer of sixty-seven. And because the bigger ships don't carry their own cranes, the Army [JEFF] puts up a huge container crane at Cam Ranh Bay, on one of these prefabricated [JEFF] steel piers they'd been towing in — a crew of sixteen men could put one [JEFF] together in about forty-five days. And the logjam starts to clear. After the war, the [JEFF] Army ran a big review of its logistics — chaired by Besson, actually — and [JEFF] it found container ships could be unloaded seven to ten times faster than conventional ships, [JEFF] and that using containers to the max could have saved more than three-quarters of a [JEFF] billion dollars. [CYRUS] Okay. But here's the part that I think is the real story, and it's an [CYRUS] economics story. The military pays Sea-Land for the round trip. Full ships out to Vietnam. [CYRUS] And then what's on the ship coming back? [JEFF] Nothing. [CYRUS] Right. Vietnam isn't exporting anything to California. So you've got these ships going home empty, [CYRUS] and the trip home is already paid for. An empty return leg that's already covered [CYRUS] is basically a free option. Any cargo you can put on it is almost pure [CYRUS] profit. So McLean does the obvious thing. On the way home, he stops in Japan. [JEFF] [genuinely surprised] Really? [CYRUS] Really. And he fills the ships with televisions and stereos from companies like Matsushita and [CYRUS] Pioneer. In nineteen sixty-eight, Sea-Land starts running fully containerized commercial service between Japan and the [CYRUS] United States, out of Yokohama. Japan had just put up its first container cranes, in [CYRUS] Tokyo and Kobe, and Sea-Land was building its own terminal — so for once there [CYRUS] were cranes on both sides of the Pacific. That same year Japan launches its own [CYRUS] first container ship, and faster ships start cutting the round trip across the Pacific from [CYRUS] something like eighty days to about thirty. And all of a sudden, Japanese electronics can [CYRUS] reach American stores at a cost that makes them competitive. [JEFF] [curious] Why him, though? Why didn't anybody else think of Japan? [CYRUS] Because to make that trade work, you need container ships already crossing the Pacific, cranes [CYRUS] on both ends, and a reason to be in Japan anyway. Nobody builds all that [CYRUS] on spec for televisions. But if the Pentagon has already paid for the ships and [CYRUS] the route, the televisions are just the gravy. The war covered the fixed cost. The [CYRUS] electronics were the margin. [JEFF] That's a very Cyrus way to describe a war. [CYRUS] [dry] I'm describing the spreadsheet, not the war. And Levinson's phrase is that the U.S. [CYRUS] trade deficit with Japan "soon became a sensitive diplomatic issue." Which — small personal note [CYRUS] — in nineteen ninety I gave a high school forensics speech on how and why [CYRUS] Japanese products were beating American ones. Won an award for it, thank you very much. [JEFF] Of course you did. [CYRUS] And I had no idea about the empty ships. It's a great piece of the [CYRUS] answer. It's not the whole answer — the TVs, and later the cars, were also [CYRUS] just very good. But the door they came through was a war contract with nothing [CYRUS] to carry home. [JEFF] "Sensitive diplomatic issue" is a very polite way to describe the entire seventies and eighties. [JEFF] But think about that. A war, in Southeast Asia, with nothing to do with trade, [JEFF] accidentally builds the trade route that ends up carrying a huge share of what Americans [JEFF] buy. And it goes through a war zone and Yokohama. [CYRUS] And by the way, I think the general is the perfect detail. The guy who [CYRUS] rebuilt Japan's railroads after the war ends up helping open the door for Japan's exports. [CYRUS] Nobody planned that. [JEFF] Not even a little. And while all of that's happening, there's one more bet worth [JEFF] a minute, on the other side of Asia. In nineteen sixty-six, Singapore — which is [JEFF] barely a year old as an independent country — decides to build a container port. [JEFF] At that point, the only other country in Asia with a container terminal is Japan. [JEFF] The technology's ten years old. Nobody knows if it's going to be the future or [JEFF] a fad. And there's no backyard — no hinterland, no farms, no big domestic market. [JEFF] It's an island at the end of a peninsula. Lee Kuan Yew later called the [JEFF] port "Singapore's raison d'être." Its whole reason for being. They open their first container terminal [JEFF] in nineteen seventy-two. It handles about twenty-five thousand boxes' worth that first year. By nineteen [JEFF] eighty-two, Singapore is the busiest port in the world by shipping tonnage. [CYRUS] And it's the mirror of New York, right? New York bet on the old way [CYRUS] and lost the port. Singapore bet on the new way before anyone knew it would [CYRUS] work. And the reason Singapore works at all is the standard. Singapore's real business is [CYRUS] transshipment. Boxes come in on one ship and go out on another. A hub like [CYRUS] that only works if every box fits every crane. That's the corner fitting paying off, [CYRUS] thousands of miles from that committee room. [JEFF] So by the late sixties, it's everywhere. In the spring of nineteen sixty-six, Sea-Land starts [JEFF] the first container service across the Atlantic. A ship called the Fairland pulls into Rotterdam [JEFF] with a couple of hundred boxes, then Bremen, then Grangemouth in Scotland. And I think [JEFF] the Europeans on those piers were looking at the same thing the guy in the [JEFF] rain in Newark was looking at, ten years earlier. The old European lines, who'd been [JEFF] calling containers a domestic niche, scramble. And within about fifteen years, something like eighty or [JEFF] ninety percent of the general cargo crossing the North Atlantic is in boxes. [CYRUS] Levinson says that by the late seventies, the container was almost universal in international trade. [CYRUS] And by nineteen ninety, something like ninety-eight percent of the dry containers on earth conformed [CYRUS] to the international size standard. Almost every box on the planet. That's the agreement, working. [JEFF] [reflective] And it's worth imagining what happens if it doesn't. If Sea-Land keeps its patent, [JEFF] or the committees never land, you get a world of incompatible regional box systems. Every [JEFF] port needs three kinds of cranes. A hub like Singapore can't exist. It's like that [JEFF] drawer in everybody's kitchen full of travel adapters. Except it's the whole world economy. [CYRUS] The adapter drawer economy. [JEFF] Okay, and I have to close the loop on one thing. Did you catch what [JEFF] happened to the Santa Eliana after Grace sold her? [CYRUS] The Grace Line ship? Sea-Land bought her in sixty-four. That's where I left her. [JEFF] So Sea-Land refits her and, after a year, renames her. And the name they give [JEFF] her is the Mayaguez. After a city in Puerto Rico. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] Wait. THE Mayaguez? Nineteen seventy-five? [JEFF] Yep. May twelfth, two weeks after Saigon falls, she's sailing off the coast of Cambodia, [JEFF] and a Khmer Rouge gunboat fires on her and seizes her and her crew. And [JEFF] it turns into the military operation that's often called the last battle of America's war [JEFF] in Vietnam. [CYRUS] No way. The same ship. [JEFF] The same hull. The ship that couldn't get unloaded in Venezuela in nineteen sixty ends [JEFF] up at the very end of the war that made the container go global. [CYRUS] That's quite a life for one old freighter. [JEFF] [reflective] And by then the box doesn't need anybody to champion it anymore. It's everybody's. [JEFF] It's crossing every ocean. And it doesn't really need Malcom McLean anymore, either. Which is [JEFF] good timing, because he's just sold Sea-Land to a tobacco company... and talked them into [JEFF] building the fastest cargo ships the world has ever seen. [JEFF] So, January of nineteen sixty-nine. Malcom McLean sells Sea-Land. And the buyer is... R.J. Reynolds. [JEFF] The tobacco company. [CYRUS] [dry] Naturally. [JEFF] It's the sixties. Everybody's buying everything. Reynolds pays about five hundred and thirty million dollars [JEFF] for the company, and McLean personally walks away with something like a hundred and sixty [JEFF] million and a seat on the board. Well over a billion in today's money. So [JEFF] the trucker from Maxton is now a very, very rich man. [CYRUS] And he's, what, mid-fifties? [JEFF] Fifty-five. And here's the thing about McLean. "Totally committed" doesn't retire. He's still on the [JEFF] board, he's still pushing, and he has a plan that was already on the drawing [JEFF] board before the sale. If the box made the ship turn around in hours instead [JEFF] of days, the next thing to squeeze is the time at sea. Faster ships mean [JEFF] you need fewer of them to run the same weekly service. So he pushes Reynolds [JEFF] to pay for the fastest cargo ships in the world. And they do. It's McLean's [JEFF] vision and Reynolds' money. They're called the S-L-sevens. Eight of them, delivered in nineteen seventy-two [JEFF] and seventy-three. Each one is almost a thousand feet long, with steam turbines putting out [JEFF] a hundred and twenty thousand horsepower. They cruise at thirty-three knots. That's close to forty [JEFF] miles an hour, for a ship carrying about a thousand containers. And in August of [JEFF] nineteen seventy-three, one of them, the Sea-Land Exchange, crosses the Atlantic at nearly thirty-five knots. [JEFF] Which puts it within about a knot of the Atlantic record set by the SS [JEFF] United States, the great American ocean liner. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] A cargo ship, running with the record-holding passenger liner. [JEFF] A box ship. With TVs in it. [deliberate] And then... two months later. [CYRUS] [exhales] The oil shock. [JEFF] October nineteen seventy-three. The oil embargo. These ships had been ordered when oil was about [JEFF] three dollars a barrel. It quadrupled within months, and by the end of the decade [JEFF] it was past thirty. And a steam turbine ship running at thirty-three knots drinks fuel [JEFF] like nothing else on the ocean. And it's not like nobody had thought about fuel. [JEFF] Reynolds had even bought an oil company in nineteen seventy, partly to keep fuel flowing [JEFF] to Sea-Land's ships. It didn't matter. The ships were incredibly expensive to run. In the [JEFF] early eighties, Sea-Land sells them to the Navy — about two hundred million dollars for [JEFF] the first six. And the Navy loves them, because if you need to get tanks [JEFF] to the other side of the world in a hurry, nothing's faster. Years later, they [JEFF] hauled cargo for the first Gulf War. But as a business, for Sea-Land, they were [JEFF] a disaster. [CYRUS] [deliberate] And this is a great systems-thinking lesson. McLean's genius, the entire time, was the [CYRUS] cost to move one box. Not the speed, not the ship. The cost per box. [CYRUS] And speed is the most expensive way there is to save a day that nobody [CYRUS] is paying you for. Because the physics are brutal. The power you need to push [CYRUS] a ship through water goes up roughly with the cube of the speed. So if [CYRUS] you go ten percent slower, you burn something like a quarter less fuel. Go ten [CYRUS] percent faster, and you pay through the nose. [JEFF] So the customer doesn't care enough about one extra day to pay for it. [CYRUS] Not for a box of sneakers, no. If it matters that much, you put it [CYRUS] on a plane. The box's whole value is being cheap and reliable. Fast was never [CYRUS] the point. And if you look at the giant container ships today, they don't sail [CYRUS] fast. Many of them deliberately sail slow. [JEFF] Which matters. Because McLean learns that lesson. He just learns it at exactly the wrong [JEFF] time. He leaves the Reynolds board in nineteen seventy-seven. And in nineteen seventy-eight, he buys [JEFF] another shipping company, United States Lines. Levinson describes it as "a large but weak competitor." [JEFF] And he looks at what happened with the S-L-sevens, and he flips the bet completely. [CYRUS] [curious] Slow. [JEFF] And absolutely enormous. In nineteen eighty-three, he orders twelve ships from Daewoo, in South Korea, [JEFF] for five hundred and seventy million dollars. At the time, it was described as the [JEFF] largest commercial shipbuilding contract ever awarded. And they're the biggest container ships anyone had ever [JEFF] built. They could carry the equivalent of more than four thousand twenty-foot boxes. One big, [JEFF] efficient diesel engine. A crew of twenty-one. And they cruise at eighteen knots, when most [JEFF] ships of the era were doing twenty-two, twenty-four. [CYRUS] So he's betting the opposite way. Fuel is going to be expensive, so be the [CYRUS] most fuel-efficient ship on the ocean. [JEFF] Exactly. They called them Econships. And forecasts at the time widely expected oil to keep [JEFF] getting more expensive. [amused] And there's a little detail I love. They built them with [JEFF] stubby smokestacks so the ships would fit under the old bridge in Savannah, Georgia, which [JEFF] was one of his two big American ports. [CYRUS] Of course. [JEFF] They launch an around-the-world service in nineteen eighty-four and eighty-five. And then... nineteen eighty-six. [CYRUS] [exhales] Oil collapses. [JEFF] Yep. Saudi Arabia decides to win back market share, and in under a year the [JEFF] price of crude falls by more than sixty percent, down to around twelve dollars a [JEFF] barrel. And all of a sudden, a fuel-efficient ship isn't an advantage. Everybody's fuel is [JEFF] cheap. And U.S. Lines is sitting there with a dozen huge, slow ships, in a [JEFF] market where freight rates are already weak. Levinson's line is, "Oil prices plunged, leaving United [JEFF] States Lines with the wrong ships for the times." [CYRUS] Twice wrong about oil. [JEFF] Fast when fuel got expensive. Slow when fuel got cheap. And on November twenty-fourth, nineteen [JEFF] eighty-six, U.S. Lines and McLean's company file for bankruptcy. With more than a billion dollars [JEFF] of debt. It's one of the biggest bankruptcies in American history up to that point. [JEFF] The ships get sold off. The biggest container ships in the world, a year or [JEFF] two old, sold out of a bankruptcy, and somebody else gets to run them on [JEFF] cheap oil. And the people — thousands of them lose their jobs. And we don't [JEFF] have a single one of their names. Not a seaman, not a clerk in Savannah [JEFF] or New York telling us what it was like. What we have is Levinson. He [JEFF] says the ships were sold off and thousands of workers lost their jobs. And then [JEFF] he writes that McLean stayed out of public view after that — ashamed of his [JEFF] role in a failure that cost all those people their jobs, shunning reporters, avoiding anything [JEFF] public. I think that's the saddest sentence in the whole book. [CYRUS] [reflective] Yeah. It's the other side of "totally committed." And it's kind of devastating to [CYRUS] read. [JEFF] The thing that built Sea-Land is the thing that sank U.S. Lines. He never hedged. [JEFF] Not in nineteen fifty-five, when he sold his trucking company. Not in nineteen eighty-three, when [JEFF] he bet a company on the price of oil. It's the same trait. It just [JEFF] met a different oil market. [CYRUS] And here's the part that I found kind of haunting. Because you could argue he [CYRUS] was right. Just early. After two thousand eight, when fuel prices spiked and the industry [CYRUS] had too many ships, the big carriers started doing something called slow steaming. They deliberately [CYRUS] slowed down to save fuel. And Maersk, the biggest line in the world, defines slow [CYRUS] steaming as eighteen knots. McLean's speed. Exactly. And then a few years later, Maersk orders [CYRUS] a new class of giant ships, designed from the start to sail slower than their [CYRUS] competitors, explicitly for fuel efficiency. And they're built by Daewoo. The same company that built [CYRUS] McLean's ships thirty years earlier. [JEFF] Of course they were. [CYRUS] I'm not making this up. And there's a line from right before it happened. In [CYRUS] two thousand eight, the head of one of the big container-ship owners was asked why [CYRUS] people were nervous about ordering slower ships. And his answer, the way the trade press [CYRUS] reported it, was that many of them remembered the experience of Malcom McLean. [JEFF] [reflective] So he became the cautionary tale... and then they did it anyway. I think [JEFF] you could make the case that he wasn't wrong about the future. He was wrong [JEFF] about the date. [CYRUS] I'd add one thing, to be fair to the market. Slow only pays when fuel [CYRUS] is expensive or when there are too many ships. And after two thousand eight, there [CYRUS] were too many ships. So part of slow steaming was just soaking up extra capacity. [CYRUS] McLean was betting on one variable, and the world moved a different one. [JEFF] That's fair. But it's the weird thing about this kind of story. If oil stays [JEFF] high after nineteen eighty-six, those Econships are exactly the right ships. And McLean finishes his [JEFF] career as the guy who saw the future twice. Same man, same judgment, same bet. [JEFF] Different price of crude. [CYRUS] So the story of a founder's judgment turns out to be partly a story about [CYRUS] the weather in the oil market. [JEFF] And then — this is the part I love — in nineteen ninety-one, at seventy-seven [JEFF] years old, he starts another company. It's called Trailer Bridge. And what does it do? [JEFF] It carries truck trailers, on barges, to Puerto Rico. [CYRUS] [genuinely surprised] Wait. That's his first idea. [JEFF] The trailership. The idea he'd rejected in the fifties. That's where he ended up. [CYRUS] [amused] He really couldn't stay away from the water, could he? [CYRUS] And while all of that is happening to McLean, the box is doing something much [CYRUS] bigger without him. For one thing, it leaves the water. In nineteen seventy-seven, Sea-Land and [CYRUS] the Southern Pacific railroad try out a rail car that carries two containers stacked one [CYRUS] on top of the other. And by nineteen eighty-four, a shipping line called A-P-L runs [CYRUS] the first train made up entirely of double-stacked cars, from Los Angeles all the way [CYRUS] to New Jersey. [JEFF] [curious] Why does stacking two on a train matter so much? [CYRUS] Because it's half the cars. Half the length of train for the same number of [CYRUS] boxes. Less locomotive power, less track, fewer crew per box. And the corner castings do [CYRUS] the work again — the top box locks to the bottom one. Although on the [CYRUS] very first cars, they had to put walls at each end, to keep the top [CYRUS] box from blowing off. [JEFF] That seems important. [CYRUS] [dry] It's a detail you want to get right. And according to the company's own [CYRUS] telling, the guy who ran A-P-L's rail operation, Don Orris, wanted to prove the ride [CYRUS] was smooth enough not to break fragile cargo. So he had a container loaded with [CYRUS] a fully set dinner table. Crystal, china, silverware. Shipped it across the country by rail. [CYRUS] And it arrived intact. [JEFF] That's a great demo. That's the jumping-on-the-box move, but for trains. [CYRUS] [amused] Same energy. And what it creates is called the landbridge. A box from Asia [CYRUS] doesn't have to sail all the way around to New York through the Panama Canal [CYRUS] anymore. It lands in Los Angeles or Long Beach, goes onto a train, and rides [CYRUS] across the country. And one analysis in the late eighties put that at something like [CYRUS] ten to fifteen days faster than going all the way by water. By the end [CYRUS] of the nineties, the large majority of containers from Northeast Asia to the East Coast [CYRUS] were coming that way — across the land, not through the canal. [JEFF] Which is a great irony. Go back to the beginning. The railroads were in federal [JEFF] court trying to stop McLean's ships. A generation later, they're the box's best friend. [CYRUS] Because now they're not competing with the box. They're carrying it. That's why the West [CYRUS] Coast ports explode. And that's why boxes end up in places that are nowhere near [CYRUS] water. And it's why the fight over the box follows it inland. [JEFF] Right. Because think about what the box did to the actual work. The work of [JEFF] a longshoreman was handling the cargo. Now the cargo gets packed into a box somewhere [JEFF] else — they call it "stuffing" and "stripping" — and it can happen anywhere. A [JEFF] factory, a warehouse in New Jersey, a depot in Ohio. Usually by Teamsters, or non-union [JEFF] workers, often for less money. So the work isn't disappearing so much as walking off [JEFF] the pier. And the union tries to follow it. Out of that nineteen sixty-nine settlement, [JEFF] the I-L-A has what it calls its Rules on Containers, and the headline rule is [JEFF] the fifty-mile rule. Any container that's packed or unpacked within fifty miles of the port [JEFF] — unless it's a single company's own full load — has to be stuffed or [JEFF] stripped by I-L-A longshoremen, at the pier. Break the rule, and it's a thousand dollars [JEFF] a box. [CYRUS] [skeptical] Fifty miles from what, exactly? [JEFF] In New York, from Columbus Circle. [CYRUS] So the whole thing is measured from a traffic circle in Manhattan. [JEFF] Yep. And the companies that packed small loads into boxes off the pier sued, and [JEFF] it goes to the Supreme Court. Twice. And in nineteen eighty-five, the Court upheld the [JEFF] rules. It said they were a lawful attempt by a union to preserve work its [JEFF] members had always done. Not a racket. And in the opinion, the Court noted the [JEFF] union had already given up something like eighty percent of the containerized cargo work. [CYRUS] Oh, that's a striking number. So they're fighting over the last fifth. [JEFF] Yep. And then a different agency picks it up. In nineteen eighty-three, the Federal Maritime [JEFF] Commission goes to court against the rule, and in nineteen eighty-seven it rules that the [JEFF] fifty-mile rules violate the shipping laws. By the late eighties, between the regulators and the [JEFF] courts, it's been knocked down. And the West Coast had its own version. On July [JEFF] first, nineteen seventy-one, about fifteen thousand West Coast longshoremen walk out, up and down the [JEFF] coast. It's about job security after a decade of Bridges' deal shrinking the workforce, and [JEFF] a lot of it is about who gets to stuff and strip the boxes — [JEFF] the longshoremen or the Teamsters. Something like a hundred and thirty-four days, on and off, [JEFF] the longest strike in that union's history. And Bill Ward — the delegate from Los [JEFF] Angeles who voted against the first deal — has the bitterest line about it. He [JEFF] said, "what we had done is go out for one hundred thirty-four days for ten [JEFF] cents." [CYRUS] Which tells you the deal was already decided. [deliberate] And that's the structural thing, for [CYRUS] me. The fight follows the box. Wherever the box goes, the work of handling it [CYRUS] goes, and whoever used to do that work tries to go with it. And they [CYRUS] can slow it down. They can't stop it. All the way into the late eighties, [CYRUS] they couldn't stop it. [JEFF] And neither side was crazy. The Supreme Court thought the union had a legitimate case. [JEFF] McLean, for his part, had a pretty clear view of all this. At an industry [JEFF] dinner in nineteen eighty-four, he said, "Unions can't prosper themselves without an industry." [CYRUS] Which is true. And also exactly what you'd expect the guy who owns the ships [CYRUS] to say. [CYRUS] And the biggest thing the box does without McLean is this. Once it costs almost [CYRUS] nothing to move a box, a factory doesn't have to be near its customers anymore. [CYRUS] Then it doesn't have to be near a port. Then it doesn't have to be [CYRUS] on the same continent. And New York gets it first. Levinson has argued that container [CYRUS] shipping contributed to the collapse of New York City's industrial base between nineteen sixty-seven and [CYRUS] seventy-five. Freight got cheap, and manufacturers were free to go wherever land and labor were [CYRUS] cheaper. First to the South, then overseas. And the scale of the loss was enormous. [CYRUS] By the mid-seventies, New York had lost more than four hundred thousand manufacturing jobs since [CYRUS] the late fifties. [JEFF] [skeptical] I want to push on that a little, though. Because I don't think you [JEFF] can lay all of that on the box. And Levinson doesn't either — he says [JEFF] there's no definitive answer, because containerization was only one of many forces hitting manufacturers. You've [JEFF] got highways, suburbs, the cost of land in the city, city taxes, and then the [JEFF] fiscal crisis in seventy-five. Here's an example I came across. Schaefer Brewing. Brooklyn beer. They [JEFF] opened a new brewery near Allentown, Pennsylvania, in nineteen seventy-two, and closed their Brooklyn brewery [JEFF] in seventy-six. Rheingold closed the same year. And by nineteen seventy-six, Brooklyn — which used [JEFF] to have dozens of breweries — had lost its last two. And that wasn't the [JEFF] box, as far as I can find. It was national brands, old city plants, and [JEFF] cheaper land somewhere else. Which is exactly my point. The box sped up an exodus [JEFF] that a lot of other things were already pushing. It was a big push. It [JEFF] wasn't the only one. [CYRUS] That's fair. I'll take accelerant over cause. [JEFF] And the politics followed. Remember the Japanese televisions coming home on the Vietnam ships? By [JEFF] nineteen seventy-seven, the U.S. and Japan sign a deal that caps Japanese color TV shipments [JEFF] to America at about one point seven five million sets a year. The year before, [JEFF] they'd shipped more than two and a half million. [CYRUS] So that "sensitive diplomatic issue" turned into an actual quota. [JEFF] Yep. And across the Atlantic, it's the same story we told about New York. By [JEFF] about nineteen eighty-one, London's old upstream docks are all closed, and in nineteen eighty-nine Britain [JEFF] abolishes the old system that protected registered dockworkers. [CYRUS] Okay, so here's the big claim, and I want to see what you do with [CYRUS] it. Because economists have actually tried to measure all of this. A group of them [CYRUS] looked at trade between countries from the early sixties to nineteen ninety, and asked what [CYRUS] happened when countries adopted containers. And they found that adopting the container did more to [CYRUS] grow trade between the rich countries than the trade agreements of that era did. The [CYRUS] Economist summarized it as the container being more of a driver of globalization than all [CYRUS] the trade agreements of the past fifty years taken together. [JEFF] [skeptical] Okay, that's a big claim. And it's exactly the kind of claim I'm suspicious [JEFF] of, so I went and looked. Two things. Levinson himself — the biggest champion of [JEFF] the box there is — says that how much the container matters to the world [JEFF] economy is, quote, "impossible to quantify." And tariffs were falling at the exact same time. [JEFF] Even The Economist, when it wrote this up, admitted the container boom could have just [JEFF] been a response to tumbling tariffs. How do you know the box drove the trade, [JEFF] and not that the trade, freed up by the tariff cuts, drove the box? [CYRUS] [deliberate] Fair. I'll give you the precision — I wouldn't put a number on it [CYRUS] on air. But on the direction, I'll hold my ground. The authors actually tested for [CYRUS] that. They looked for a surge in trade before countries adopted containers, and didn't find [CYRUS] one. The trade came after the box, not before. [JEFF] [reflective] I'll grant you it was big. I'm just not sure "bigger than every trade [JEFF] agreement combined" is something anybody can actually know. [CYRUS] And I think it was big enough that the exact number doesn't change the story. [JEFF] We'll leave it there. [CYRUS] So East Asia's factories win, and the consumer wins, and the West Coast ports win, [CYRUS] and the railroads, of all people, win. And the one person it really didn't work [CYRUS] out for is the guy who started it. [JEFF] Which brings me to the last part of his story. McLean dies in May of [JEFF] two thousand one, at home in New York. He's eighty-seven years old. And on the [JEFF] morning of his funeral, at eleven-thirty, container ships around the world — in ports and [JEFF] out at sea — sound their whistles. The captains had been asked, by fax and [JEFF] by e-mail. And a lot of them did it. The chairman of his last company [JEFF] said, "We are touched at this gesture from so many ships." ... And a few [JEFF] weeks later, a column in the Baltimore Sun ran under the headline: "Shipping Pioneer Largely [JEFF] Ignored." [CYRUS] Yeah. [JEFF] So let's step back for a second. Because I think the distance this story covers [JEFF] is kind of hard to hold in your head all at once. In nineteen fifty-four, [JEFF] one ordinary freighter carried those hundred and ninety-four thousand pieces, and every single one was [JEFF] lifted by a person. The ship spent as long tied to a pier as it [JEFF] did at sea. And the men who did that work lived in neighborhoods built around [JEFF] the piers, and got the job from their uncles. Today, a box gets sealed at [JEFF] a factory in Shenzhen and opened at a store in Ohio, and almost nobody in [JEFF] between touches what's inside. A crane operator touches a steel box. A truck driver hauls [JEFF] it. Nobody touches the cargo. And the West Side piers where Red Barrett's world was, [JEFF] those are parks and soccer fields now. [reflective] And the big change wasn't speed. McLean [JEFF] proved that himself, the hard way, with the fastest cargo ships ever built. The big [JEFF] change was the end of handling. That's it. Stop picking things up. [CYRUS] [amused] Four words. Okay, so let me give you a few numbers for where that [CYRUS] ended up, because I think they land differently now. The Ideal X carried fifty-eight boxes. [CYRUS] Today's biggest ships carry about twenty-four thousand. And that's counted in twenty-foot boxes — the [CYRUS] industry measures everything in what it calls twenty-foot equivalent units. A forty counts as two. [CYRUS] And the ship itself is about a quarter of a mile long. [JEFF] [incredulous] That's not a ship, that's a neighborhood that floats. [CYRUS] Pretty much. And remember the number from the very beginning? That moving goods across an [CYRUS] ocean ate fifteen, twenty percent of what they were worth? [JEFF] The tariff nobody voted for. [CYRUS] For shoes and clothing today, the ocean trip is often less than one percent of [CYRUS] the value. Which works out to a pair of sneakers crossing the Pacific for well [CYRUS] under a dollar. Somewhere between a quarter and forty cents, by the usual arithmetic. [JEFF] [reflective] And that's the number that explains the closet. That's why everything you're wearing came [JEFF] from somewhere else. [CYRUS] Although it's not true for everything. For furniture and appliances it can still run up [CYRUS] to fourteen percent. Which is why a lot of sofas are still made a lot [CYRUS] closer to home than your sneakers are. [JEFF] Huh. So the box decides where things get made, product by product. [CYRUS] Pretty much. And then the one that tells you where the center of gravity went. [CYRUS] In twenty twenty-five, the port of Shanghai alone handled about fifty-five million of those twenty-foot [CYRUS] boxes. That's more than every port on Earth combined handled in nineteen eighty. [JEFF] One port. More than the whole planet, forty-five years ago. [CYRUS] And the planet was already a couple of decades into containers in nineteen eighty. And [CYRUS] one more, which I love because it cuts both ways. In twenty twenty-four, about five [CYRUS] hundred and seventy-six containers fell off ships into the ocean. [JEFF] [skeptical] That sounds like a lot. [CYRUS] It does. Out of roughly two hundred and fifty million carried. So, about two in [CYRUS] a million. [JEFF] Okay. That's a better safety record than my groceries. [CYRUS] [deadpan] Low bar. [JEFF] Okay. So every episode, once we've told the story, we put the thing through the [JEFF] same five questions. We call it the Backbone Test. Has it gone invisible? What depends [JEFF] on it? What's the hidden cost? Could we go back? And what's still changing? So [JEFF] — invisible. And I think the answer is obviously yes. You pass these things on [JEFF] every highway, you sit next to them at railroad crossings, and you never once think [JEFF] about what's inside. The man who built the system got whistles from ships and a [JEFF] "largely ignored" headline from everybody else. And the one time most people actually saw it [JEFF] was March of twenty twenty-one, when one ship got stuck sideways in the Suez Canal, [JEFF] and the whole world spent six days watching a little excavator try to dig it [JEFF] out. [CYRUS] The excavator was the most relatable thing that happened that year. [JEFF] Right? And that's what invisible infrastructure is. You only notice it when one piece of [JEFF] it is lying sideways across a canal. [CYRUS] And that whole stretch was the first time a lot of people ever said the [CYRUS] words "supply chain" out loud. Before twenty twenty-one, that was a phrase for consultants. [JEFF] Now it's a phrase for your mom. And I'll say the McLean part again, because [JEFF] it still bugs me a little. The guy wasn't completely forgotten. He was in Fortune's [JEFF] business hall of fame. A couple of years before he died, an industry hall of [JEFF] fame named him its "Man of the Century." But ask a hundred people on the [JEFF] street who Malcom McLean was, and I'd bet you get maybe one. [CYRUS] [dry] And that one works in logistics. [JEFF] Probably. Which, I think, is the highest compliment you can pay infrastructure. When the thing [JEFF] works so well that nobody remembers who built it. [CYRUS] Or the downside of it. Depending on whether you're the guy who built it. [deliberate] [CYRUS] Okay — what depends on it. And my favorite example is from that same year. [CYRUS] October twenty-first, twenty twenty-one, at the peak of the pandemic backlog. There are dozens of [CYRUS] ships anchored off Los Angeles and Long Beach waiting to unload. And the CEO of [CYRUS] a freight company called Flexport, Ryan Petersen, rents a boat, takes a three-hour tour of [CYRUS] the port, and the next morning posts a thread saying the bottleneck is something incredibly [CYRUS] mundane. A city rule says truck yards can only stack empty containers two high. So [CYRUS] the empties can't be stacked, so they sit on truck chassis. So there are no [CYRUS] chassis to pick up the full boxes. So the terminals clog. The mayor of Long [CYRUS] Beach sees it, and the same day, the city raises the limit from two high [CYRUS] to four, for ninety days. The mayor said, "Within a few hours we had all [CYRUS] decided that we had to make this change immediately." And for a minute the internet [CYRUS] said a tweet saved Christmas. [JEFF] Okay, but did you read what the truckers actually said afterward? Because I don't think [JEFF] the clean version holds up. The head of the harbor truckers' association said most yards [JEFF] didn't even have the equipment or trained operators to stack higher, and the real problem [JEFF] was the ocean carriers not taking their empties back. And my favorite part — Petersen [JEFF] himself said, "I'm very suspect of everybody who has this clean narrative about how it's [JEFF] all gonna play out." [CYRUS] Which is very fair of him. But I think the point survives. The system is [CYRUS] so tightly coupled that one local rule about how high you can stack empty boxes [CYRUS] can choke a country's supply chain. And the chain is everything. Almost everything in your [CYRUS] house that wasn't made within a few hundred miles. A car plant waiting on a [CYRUS] part that crossed an ocean. And — for anybody who heard our last episode — [CYRUS] the cold chain crosses oceans in a refrigerated box, too. The reefer. [JEFF] So the dependency isn't really the ship. It's the chassis, the yard, a city rule [JEFF] about stacking empties. The bottleneck is usually five miles inland. [CYRUS] Exactly. And nobody owns the whole chain. [JEFF] Okay. The hidden cost. And I'll go first, because I've been thinking about this the [JEFF] whole time. I think this is the core of how capitalist innovation works. It's basically [JEFF] Jevons' paradox, for shipping. When you make something radically cheaper, you don't just get more [JEFF] of it — you get so much more of it that the whole industry grows [JEFF] even while the price per unit collapses. The world's ports handle something like twenty-three times [JEFF] as many boxes as they did in nineteen eighty. And the jobs that got created [JEFF] weren't mostly shipping jobs. They were jobs making the things that would go in the [JEFF] boxes, and moving them, and storing them. American warehouse jobs went from about four hundred [JEFF] thousand in nineteen ninety to over one point eight million today. Now, a lot of [JEFF] that recent growth is online shopping, not just the box. But the work that used [JEFF] to happen on the pier happens in a warehouse an hour inland now, and there's [JEFF] way more of it. [CYRUS] But not for the dockworker. [JEFF] No. It's Jevons for shipping. It's not Jevons for the longshoreman. The labor per box [JEFF] fell so far that even twenty times the cargo needs way fewer of them. And [JEFF] that doesn't erase the pain of the people who got disrupted, who were expecting that [JEFF] job. The streets and the sons we talked about. That's real. And it's a system [JEFF] that made everything cheaper for basically everybody on Earth. It's creative destruction with a long, [JEFF] painful middle. [CYRUS] [deliberate] And I think the cost that matters now is different. It's fragility. Efficiency squeezed [CYRUS] every bit of slack out of this system. One company, M-S-C, controls more than a [CYRUS] fifth of all the container-ship capacity on Earth. When the Korean carrier Hanjin went bankrupt [CYRUS] in twenty sixteen, it had something like fourteen billion dollars of cargo on its ships, [CYRUS] and ports wouldn't let them dock or unload unless somebody paid up front. One captain [CYRUS] told reporters he was rationing water. The cargo was just... floating. Nobody's. [JEFF] [exhales] Floating collateral. [CYRUS] And then there's the flip side of "nobody touches the cargo." Nobody inspects it, either. [CYRUS] Remember the seal, and customs working from the paperwork? In two thousand seven, Congress passed [CYRUS] a law requiring every container headed to the U.S. to be scanned at the foreign [CYRUS] port by twenty twelve. It never happened. The deadline just kept getting pushed back, two [CYRUS] years at a time. Almost every box rolls through a radiation detector on its way [CYRUS] out of the port. But only a small fraction ever get X-rayed or opened. The [CYRUS] same seal that stops the thief stops the inspector. [JEFF] That's the title's third meaning, isn't it. [CYRUS] Yeah. And one more line and I'll stop: shipping is about three percent of the [CYRUS] world's carbon emissions. And per ton, per mile, it's one of the cleanest ways to [CYRUS] move anything ever invented. A truck puts out something like five to ten times as [CYRUS] much. A plane, fifty times or more. Both of those things are true. [JEFF] [reflective] Okay. I'll give you the fragility. I think that's the real systems problem here, [JEFF] and nobody voted for it. Nobody decided one company should run a fifth of the [JEFF] world's shipping capacity. It just happened, one efficiency at a time. [CYRUS] And I'll give you something back. Did you see the paper from the Bureau of [CYRUS] Economic Analysis? It found that freight rates didn't actually fall when containers arrived. The drop [CYRUS] came about a decade later. Partly because the ports had market power, and partly because [CYRUS] the longshoremen's deals captured a real share of the savings. [JEFF] [genuinely surprised] Huh. So the bargain actually paid. [CYRUS] Which is the market handling an automation shock better than most automation stories I know. [CYRUS] I'm still more worried about the fragility than you are. [JEFF] And I'm still less worried about it than you are. Which brings me to whether [JEFF] we could go back. And I don't think we can. And I don't think it's [JEFF] because of the ships. It's because of where everything gets made. Factories sit where they [JEFF] sit because distance is cheap. And we actually got a little test of what happens [JEFF] when it isn't. [CYRUS] Twenty twenty-one. A forty-foot box from Shanghai to Los Angeles normally ran somewhere under two [CYRUS] thousand dollars. In September of twenty twenty-one, it cost over twelve thousand. About six times [CYRUS] as much. And an I-M-F study found that when shipping costs double, inflation goes up [CYRUS] by something like seven-tenths of a point, about a year later. And here's the part [CYRUS] that I think proves your point, Jeff. By the next summer, Nike's finance chief was [CYRUS] saying they were still paying about five times their pre-pandemic rate to move a box. [CYRUS] One shipping executive's example at the time was fifteen to twenty thousand dollars for a [CYRUS] forty-foot box full of sneakers. Which works out to a few dollars a pair. At [CYRUS] the worst moment in modern shipping history, it still cost only a few dollars to [CYRUS] move a pair of shoes across the Pacific. [JEFF] [reflective] So even "expensive" distance is cheap. Which is why nobody moved the factories back. [CYRUS] Right. It was a shock, not a reversal. [JEFF] But listeners, I think you felt it anyway. Empty shelves, prices going up. That was [JEFF] one year of distance costing something again. I don't think anybody wants to find out [JEFF] what ten years of it looks like. [CYRUS] Okay. What's still changing. And I think you have to start with a bookend. [JEFF] [reflective] Yeah. October twenty twenty-four. Sixty-eight years after a union official in Newark said he'd [JEFF] like to sink the Ideal X, the longshoremen's union — the same I-L-A — walks [JEFF] out at every major port from Maine to Texas. About forty-five thousand workers. Over automation. [JEFF] Three days. [amused] And they win a sixty-two percent raise over six years, top base [JEFF] pay going from thirty-nine dollars an hour to sixty-three, and limits on automated equipment. They [JEFF] ratify it with nearly ninety-nine percent of the vote. And the royalty on every container [JEFF] that we talked about from the sixties? Still there. [CYRUS] The fight never ended. [JEFF] It just got better paid. [CYRUS] And the funny thing is how slowly automation has actually come. As of twenty twenty-five, [CYRUS] only about nine percent of the world's main container terminals were fully or semi-automated. Shanghai's [CYRUS] Yangshan terminal is basically robots end to end, but it's the exception. Seventy years in, [CYRUS] more than nine in ten still run on people. And the ships have stopped getting [CYRUS] bigger. Almost all the giants stop at just under four hundred meters long, because over [CYRUS] that, ports charge higher fees and you need extra tugboats. And how wide they get [CYRUS] is capped by how far the cranes can reach. [JEFF] So the ship is limited by the crane. Which is limited by the port. [CYRUS] The system decides the ship. And here's a thought experiment I keep chewing on. A [CYRUS] huge part of why the old way cost so much was human labor. So imagine [CYRUS] a world of humanoid robots, where ten more weeks of work costs you the electricity [CYRUS] to recharge a battery. Do big standards like the container matter less? Because you could [CYRUS] just throw armies of robots at the problem. And India works a little like this [CYRUS] already. A lot of factories there have much less automation than Korea or the U.S., [CYRUS] because labor is so cheap that employing ten thousand people instead of a hundred robots [CYRUS] is seen as a gift. [JEFF] [skeptical] I think that's a really interesting question. But I'm not sure the box was [JEFF] ever mostly about wages. Go back to the Warrior. The expensive part wasn't just the [JEFF] men. It was the ship sitting at the dock for ten days while somebody — [JEFF] or something — lifted all those pieces one at a time. And the seal, the [JEFF] theft. Robots don't fix that. And India's own biggest container port moves more than eight [JEFF] million boxes' worth a year. Even a cheap-labor economy plugs into the box, because the [JEFF] box has to fit the crane in Rotterdam and the truck in Ohio. [CYRUS] [deliberate] Okay, that's a good answer. I'm not sure it's the whole answer. But I'll [CYRUS] take it for now. [JEFF] That's all I ever get from you. [CYRUS] So the question I can't shake is this. If the box made distance nearly free, [CYRUS] what happens to everything we built on that assumption when distance gets expensive again? Fuel, [CYRUS] carbon prices, tariffs, or a war at a chokepoint. Because we've already seen a preview. [CYRUS] When ships started getting attacked in the Red Sea in late twenty twenty-three, container crossings [CYRUS] of the Suez Canal fell by something like ninety percent. Ships went all the way [CYRUS] around Africa instead. [JEFF] And I think we're living a version of this right now, outside of shipping. There's [JEFF] one company in the world, A-S-M-L in the Netherlands, that makes the machines you need [JEFF] to print the most advanced chips. And most of the world's most advanced chips come [JEFF] out of one company's factories in Taiwan. Which is a place whose status is... disputed, [JEFF] let's say. [CYRUS] [deliberate] And it's the mirror image of this story. The container was a standard nobody [CYRUS] owned, available to everyone, everywhere. That's what made it resilient. The chip story is a [CYRUS] capability one company owns, concentrated in one place. Same species of fragility. Just even more [CYRUS] concentrated. [JEFF] And the question I keep turning over is the other side of it. Who should [JEFF] pay for the people a technology makes unnecessary? And here's where I land. I think [JEFF] society has some responsibility to ease the transition. But not to make the old job [JEFF] structure permanent. It's not our job to protect the job of a longshoreman forever. It [JEFF] is our job, maybe, to help the people who had that job, or were training [JEFF] for it, get from A to B. That's Bridges' ramp, not Gleason's wall. And there's [JEFF] some evidence it works — the U.S. has run a program for trade-displaced workers since [JEFF] nineteen sixty-two, and Denmark runs its whole labor market this way. Protect the worker, not [JEFF] the job. [CYRUS] [mischievously] Or we're all going to eventually just need U-B-I. [JEFF] The biggest test of that in this country was paid for by an AI CEO, [JEFF] and the people who got the money were not dramatically better off at the end. [JEFF] So I'm not there yet. [CYRUS] Fine. But I'll be serious for one second, because I said earlier that Bridges' deal [CYRUS] is the first thing I've read that even looks like a possible answer for what [CYRUS] AI is about to do to office work. Let the machine pay for the people [CYRUS] it replaces. I still think it's worth taking seriously, complicated as it would be to [CYRUS] pull off. What I'm not sure about is the other half. Every story like this [CYRUS] — the longshoremen, the ice trade from our last episode — the arc bends toward [CYRUS] more stuff and more jobs somewhere else. I'm not sure that holds for AI. This [CYRUS] is the first technology that can plausibly replace the dock and the office at the [CYRUS] same time. I don't know where the "somewhere else" is. [JEFF] I think that's a fair worry. And I'm wary of leaning on the comparison too [JEFF] hard. My guess is the same answer applies, ease the transition, don't freeze the old [JEFF] jobs. Just at a much, much faster pace. Which might be the whole problem. [CYRUS] [deliberate] Or it's a different problem entirely. I genuinely don't know. [JEFF] [reflective] And here's the one I genuinely can't answer. Would any of this have happened [JEFF] if Sea-Land had kept the patents? I think it shows the value of open standards. [JEFF] I don't think shipping gets nearly this cheap if every company has its own box. [JEFF] There's an argument that the system would have forced its way there eventually. And there's [JEFF] some evidence for that — American railroads had a mess of different track widths, and [JEFF] in eighteen eighty-six, in thirty-six hours, crews moved one rail on more than eleven thousand [JEFF] miles of Southern track to match the North. But it took decades to get there. [JEFF] And in Australia, you couldn't take a standard-gauge train from Sydney to Perth until nineteen [JEFF] seventy. [CYRUS] So "eventually" can mean a century. And there's a third way it happens that isn't [CYRUS] a committee and isn't the market quietly converging. Somebody buys somebody. You could imagine ships [CYRUS] partnering with railroads, three end-to-end systems with three box sizes — and then one of [CYRUS] them buys the other two and standardizes the fleet. M and A as the standards [CYRUS] body. It still gets you there. It just gets you there slower, and with a [CYRUS] lot more scrap steel. [JEFF] So I'm not sure I believe "eventually." And the live version is happening right now. [JEFF] Tesla opened up its charging plug in twenty twenty-two, and within a year Ford and [JEFF] G-M signed on, and now it's an industry standard. Same move as McLean. Give away [JEFF] the plug, win the network. [CYRUS] The McLean playbook. Sixty years later. [JEFF] So, if you've been with us this whole time, here's what I think you carry [JEFF] out of this. When a technology's value comes from everyone using the same thing, the [JEFF] invention is the easy part, and the agreement is the whole fight. Anybody could build [JEFF] the box. People did, for thirty years, and nothing happened. What changed the world was [JEFF] a system built around it, a labor deal paid for out of the savings, ports [JEFF] on empty land where there was nobody to fight, and a corner fitting given away [JEFF] so every box could fit every crane. So the next time you're looking at a [JEFF] technology that only works if everybody adopts it, don't ask whether it works. Ask who [JEFF] has to agree, what each of them is giving up... and who's going to give [JEFF] away the piece nobody can own. [CYRUS] And you can see those fights happening right now. Charging plugs. Payment systems. How different [CYRUS] AI systems are going to talk to each other. Somebody in each of those is [CYRUS] deciding right now whether to own the corner or give it away. [JEFF] And one more thing. When the agreement finally gets made, the bill doesn't land evenly. [JEFF] In this story it landed less on the men who had the work than on [JEFF] their streets and their sons. That's not an argument against the box. It's just what [JEFF] to look for, the next time. [CYRUS] [warmly] I'm making my kids listen to this one, by the way. They're going to [CYRUS] look at every truck on the freeway for a month. [JEFF] Good. If you enjoyed this one, follow Backbone wherever you're listening, and send it to [JEFF] the friend who'd love the story of the trucker and the steel box. Everything we [JEFF] mentioned — the Warrior study, Red Barrett's oral history, the Supreme Court cases, Levinson's book [JEFF] — is linked in the show notes. [CYRUS] And the next time you're on the highway and a box goes by on a [CYRUS] flatbed, think about the guy in the rain in Newark. He was right. He just [CYRUS] couldn't sink it. [JEFF] That's it for this episode of Backbone. We'll be back in a few weeks to [JEFF] dive into another hidden technology that makes the modern world run. [CYRUS] Until then — stay curious, and mind the backbones.