WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.282 --> 00:00:26.722 Anke: Hello and welcome, Kathy. 00:00:26.772 --> 00:00:28.402 I'm super excited to have 00:00:28.402 --> 00:00:28.972 Kathy: you here today. 00:00:30.157 --> 00:00:31.477 I'm delighted to be here Anke. 00:00:32.247 --> 00:00:37.687 Anke: Well, before we talk about our favorite topic, let's just give people 00:00:37.687 --> 00:00:40.497 a bird's eye view where you're based. 00:00:40.587 --> 00:00:41.687 What's the day job? 00:00:41.777 --> 00:00:43.077 What's your normal business? 00:00:43.137 --> 00:00:45.117 And, um, let's take it 00:00:45.117 --> 00:00:45.517 Kathy: from there. 00:00:46.347 --> 00:00:46.797 Sure. 00:00:46.827 --> 00:00:48.017 So I live in New York. 00:00:48.017 --> 00:00:49.887 I live about an hour outside of New York City. 00:00:50.207 --> 00:00:52.957 My office was in New York City for many years and I actually lived 00:00:52.957 --> 00:00:54.467 in New York City with five dogs. 00:00:54.777 --> 00:00:56.707 So yes, you can have dogs in the city. 00:00:56.707 --> 00:00:57.517 They work well. 00:00:57.877 --> 00:01:02.357 Um, and my normal day job is actually, I have a couple of businesses, 00:01:02.387 --> 00:01:06.247 but my main business is succession planning for family owned businesses. 00:01:06.617 --> 00:01:10.387 So I help families that own a business decide whether they're going to keep 00:01:10.387 --> 00:01:13.557 the business, sell the business, transfer to the next generation. 00:01:13.897 --> 00:01:15.267 And it's a unique combination of. 00:01:15.342 --> 00:01:16.282 Personal planning. 00:01:16.632 --> 00:01:18.112 What kind of lifestyle are you going to live? 00:01:18.562 --> 00:01:19.912 How are you going to sell the business? 00:01:19.912 --> 00:01:20.952 Who are you going to sell it to? 00:01:20.972 --> 00:01:22.492 Is the business ready for sale? 00:01:22.532 --> 00:01:24.362 And then the estate planning around it. 00:01:24.382 --> 00:01:26.152 So every day is different. 00:01:26.392 --> 00:01:29.342 I'm helping people, which is part of my passion for life. 00:01:29.662 --> 00:01:33.692 And I take very complex financial, um, concepts and 00:01:33.692 --> 00:01:35.172 explain them in plain English. 00:01:35.172 --> 00:01:36.892 So that's majority of my day. 00:01:37.342 --> 00:01:37.692 Well, 00:01:37.992 --> 00:01:38.572 Anke: that's like it. 00:01:38.572 --> 00:01:40.432 That's that's topic for another podcast. 00:01:40.432 --> 00:01:44.662 I might want to have you back to another one, but today we talk about, 00:01:45.022 --> 00:01:46.792 you know, souls touched by dogs. 00:01:46.802 --> 00:01:49.952 So how, when was your soul first touched by 00:01:49.952 --> 00:01:50.362 Kathy: dogs? 00:01:50.832 --> 00:01:52.652 Oh my god, I'm gonna start to cry. 00:01:52.712 --> 00:01:54.992 I was a dog in another life for sure. 00:01:55.032 --> 00:01:59.112 I mean, I'm the oldest of nine children, and I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, 00:01:59.242 --> 00:02:02.932 and my mother stayed home obviously and my father worked on Wall Street. 00:02:03.347 --> 00:02:04.867 And they didn't have dogs. 00:02:04.927 --> 00:02:09.237 My mom's one of 11 and my father was almost an only child and 00:02:09.277 --> 00:02:13.427 he knew nothing about dogs and I cried and cried and cried. 00:02:13.677 --> 00:02:16.577 They got me a cat when I was 10 and the cat got run over 00:02:16.577 --> 00:02:18.997 by a car on the way to school. 00:02:18.997 --> 00:02:20.247 I was in hysterics. 00:02:20.267 --> 00:02:21.807 My father had to walk me to school. 00:02:21.807 --> 00:02:25.992 So then when I was I was actually, that year, I was in fifth grade. 00:02:26.002 --> 00:02:29.172 I did the grocery shopping for the whole family, and I came 00:02:29.172 --> 00:02:30.792 home from the grocery store. 00:02:30.792 --> 00:02:33.342 My father was home early, and he said, go in the bathroom. 00:02:33.782 --> 00:02:37.372 And my father was very strict, so I was really afraid that I did something wrong. 00:02:37.702 --> 00:02:40.632 And I opened the door, and there's this little teeny puppy. 00:02:41.737 --> 00:02:42.987 And he didn't know anybody. 00:02:42.987 --> 00:02:46.157 He bought it at a pet shop and it was a toy fox terrier. 00:02:46.607 --> 00:02:48.837 And I then saved my babysitting. 00:02:48.837 --> 00:02:49.557 I'm a dreamer. 00:02:49.587 --> 00:02:50.567 I'm a visionary. 00:02:50.917 --> 00:02:53.207 So I decided I was going to breed dogs. 00:02:53.437 --> 00:02:55.267 This goes back, you know, 40 years ago. 00:02:55.267 --> 00:02:58.617 So I had no clue, um, about what we know now. 00:02:58.647 --> 00:03:03.747 And, um, I was paid a quarter an hour to babysit and I saved 00:03:03.747 --> 00:03:06.857 65 and bought a second dog. 00:03:06.857 --> 00:03:08.547 And, uh... 00:03:08.657 --> 00:03:13.287 So I had Punch and Judy, and so I had those dogs all the way through 00:03:13.287 --> 00:03:17.397 college, and then I bought my first Golden Retriever when I was, um, 00:03:17.687 --> 00:03:21.187 just out of college and living in Boulder, Colorado, and I used 00:03:21.187 --> 00:03:23.147 a roller blade to work with her. 00:03:23.577 --> 00:03:27.027 So she would go with me to work, I would tie her up outside the restaurant, I 00:03:27.027 --> 00:03:30.167 went to school in the morning with her, so she went to University of Colorado 00:03:30.167 --> 00:03:32.257 with me, and then she would tie up. 00:03:32.257 --> 00:03:33.627 So it's been from there. 00:03:33.627 --> 00:03:39.067 So my passion for the last 20 years has been helping rescues 00:03:39.187 --> 00:03:42.797 market their dogs because they're not very good at marketing. 00:03:43.407 --> 00:03:45.407 Everybody works a part time job, right? 00:03:45.407 --> 00:03:48.317 These are full time, part time rescue volunteer. 00:03:48.317 --> 00:03:51.337 And people don't realize that we do this all volunteer. 00:03:51.857 --> 00:03:54.607 And so a lot of things fall through the cracks. 00:03:54.627 --> 00:03:59.267 And then the other thing I do is a doctor's come to me and say, Oh, I've 00:03:59.267 --> 00:04:01.437 been trying to get a dog for two years. 00:04:01.727 --> 00:04:05.447 I emailed 40 applications and no one's gotten back to me. 00:04:06.247 --> 00:04:10.307 And the reason is that the rescues do not operate like businesses. 00:04:10.807 --> 00:04:13.977 And I'm a business person first, so I always look at things 00:04:13.977 --> 00:04:15.787 from a strategic point of view. 00:04:15.797 --> 00:04:19.807 And if you and I were in business together, and we had one of something, 00:04:20.137 --> 00:04:24.227 but we had a hundred people who wanted it, as business owners, 00:04:24.227 --> 00:04:26.417 we'd find a way to get 99 more. 00:04:27.047 --> 00:04:30.467 And what happens with rescue, when they have a high value target, like 00:04:30.467 --> 00:04:36.057 a little foo foo dog, or a doodle, or golden, they get a hundred applications. 00:04:36.392 --> 00:04:38.712 They have no email marketing system. 00:04:39.102 --> 00:04:44.112 How easy would it be to say, Hi Anke, thanks so much for applying for FooFoo. 00:04:44.672 --> 00:04:46.172 We'll be back in 48 hours. 00:04:46.202 --> 00:04:48.552 And then 48 hours, one button or the other. 00:04:48.592 --> 00:04:50.012 I mean, that's what you do, right? 00:04:50.032 --> 00:04:53.722 And boom, we'll be, you know, FooFoo has an adopter waiting, but 00:04:53.722 --> 00:04:55.442 we're happy to get you another dog. 00:04:55.722 --> 00:04:56.372 They don't do it. 00:04:56.372 --> 00:04:57.532 They discard. 00:04:58.157 --> 00:05:01.667 The, uh, applicants and people get so frustrated. 00:05:01.667 --> 00:05:06.207 So, so this year I actually took the plunge accidentally. 00:05:06.207 --> 00:05:10.287 So this is what I've done for years is I, I know where the rescue owners. 00:05:10.577 --> 00:05:13.947 So I cut the red tape and I know what dogs they have. 00:05:13.947 --> 00:05:17.407 So I know who has hounds, who has shepherds, who has little dogs. 00:05:17.747 --> 00:05:19.987 And then people come to me, I interview them. 00:05:19.987 --> 00:05:23.857 So I get a sense of what they are and then I connect them with the rescue. 00:05:24.537 --> 00:05:28.207 So this way the rescue gets to the top of the pile and they get their dog. 00:05:29.347 --> 00:05:31.897 So that's what I've been doing for years. 00:05:31.947 --> 00:05:34.917 And so what happened is last December a friend of mine came to 00:05:34.917 --> 00:05:38.787 me as a breeder and I'm not one of these rescues that's anti breeding. 00:05:38.797 --> 00:05:44.357 Breeding is necessary to keep the bloodline pure and also to keep, you 00:05:44.357 --> 00:05:48.907 know, there's a lot of backyard breeders and puppy mills that take the breed down 00:05:49.217 --> 00:05:51.697 and then they get cancer, disease, etc. 00:05:52.797 --> 00:05:56.807 So the breeders, good breeders, are necessary to help improve 00:05:56.807 --> 00:05:58.027 the genetics of the dog. 00:05:58.317 --> 00:06:01.037 So this particular Golden Retriever breeder is a friend of mine. 00:06:01.037 --> 00:06:04.307 We went to high school together and his dogs lived till 16. 00:06:05.737 --> 00:06:07.317 A Golden Retriever, that's incredible. 00:06:08.842 --> 00:06:11.072 So he had a dog he sold to a woman. 00:06:11.072 --> 00:06:11.712 She died. 00:06:11.722 --> 00:06:15.562 He went back to get the dog and found out it had been severely abused by her son. 00:06:16.372 --> 00:06:17.772 The dog had PTSD. 00:06:18.312 --> 00:06:19.722 And he was drop dead gorgeous. 00:06:19.742 --> 00:06:21.892 Four years old, you couldn't touch him, you couldn't brush 00:06:21.892 --> 00:06:22.792 him, you couldn't bathe him. 00:06:23.172 --> 00:06:25.632 And he had been trying for ten months to find a home. 00:06:25.922 --> 00:06:27.082 So he asked me to help. 00:06:27.282 --> 00:06:29.702 So I posted it on Queen of Facebook. 00:06:29.702 --> 00:06:31.052 I have 5, 000 friends. 00:06:31.072 --> 00:06:32.442 I know how to use Facebook. 00:06:32.792 --> 00:06:33.832 So I made a post. 00:06:33.882 --> 00:06:34.792 It went viral. 00:06:34.902 --> 00:06:36.662 We had 1, 800 shares. 00:06:37.102 --> 00:06:39.052 I had 100 people that wanted that dog. 00:06:39.477 --> 00:06:42.977 So I interviewed a bunch of them, I gave Bob several recommendations, 00:06:43.007 --> 00:06:47.457 and I had an Excel spreadsheet of 30 people that wanted golden retrievers. 00:06:48.097 --> 00:06:51.207 And I went in search of goldens, and I couldn't get 00:06:51.237 --> 00:06:52.977 any goldens on the East Coast. 00:06:52.977 --> 00:06:55.647 I live in New York, so none in Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, 00:06:55.647 --> 00:06:58.117 unless you want to take them from the Amish, which then you're 00:06:58.117 --> 00:06:59.847 supporting the puppy mill industry. 00:07:00.357 --> 00:07:03.867 And so then I went to rescues, and I said, if I give you the adopter, 00:07:03.907 --> 00:07:05.847 and I find the dog, can you just... 00:07:06.282 --> 00:07:06.942 Do your stuff. 00:07:07.522 --> 00:07:08.742 And that was impossible. 00:07:09.022 --> 00:07:14.482 So through a commodity deal I'm doing, a physical commodity deal, I had a guy 00:07:14.482 --> 00:07:18.222 in Fort Worth, Texas, who introduced me to a guy he was at church with, and 00:07:18.222 --> 00:07:20.202 Brad was rescuing one golden at a time. 00:07:20.862 --> 00:07:24.922 So he connected us, and he has room for one dog to foster. 00:07:25.242 --> 00:07:27.142 So we didn't set out to start a rescue. 00:07:27.142 --> 00:07:31.372 We set out to find homes, find goldens for the homes I had. 00:07:32.212 --> 00:07:35.992 And Anke, one thing led to another because, oh, now we need a foster. 00:07:36.122 --> 00:07:37.562 Oh, now we need veterinarians. 00:07:37.662 --> 00:07:39.222 Oh, now we need transport. 00:07:39.312 --> 00:07:40.772 Oh, now we need clinics. 00:07:41.102 --> 00:07:44.992 And so, believe it or not, this thing just exploded and we started 00:07:44.992 --> 00:07:47.032 officially February of 2023. 00:07:47.672 --> 00:07:53.952 And by May, we had done 32 dogs, so up year to date through September, we're 00:07:53.992 --> 00:07:59.452 up to 58 dogs, most of them golden retrievers, but we also have done 00:07:59.452 --> 00:08:02.922 hounds and great pyrenees and labs. 00:08:03.912 --> 00:08:04.112 That's 00:08:04.112 --> 00:08:05.052 Anke: incredible. 00:08:05.312 --> 00:08:08.622 I never, you know, you always think about this whole situation 00:08:08.622 --> 00:08:13.982 as if like from the point of view that there's more dogs than homes. 00:08:14.062 --> 00:08:17.482 Like that's like here when I remember a neighbor of mine, she 00:08:17.482 --> 00:08:19.692 had, well, it was an accident. 00:08:19.702 --> 00:08:23.542 So her dog ended up with a whole bunch of puppies and they was like, Oh my God, how 00:08:23.552 --> 00:08:25.802 are we going to find seven good homes now? 00:08:26.327 --> 00:08:31.057 Well, she didn't, she ended up like, she found one good home, one puppy 00:08:31.447 --> 00:08:34.187 had a home that wasn't that good, where we didn't actually end up even 00:08:34.237 --> 00:08:39.577 knowing where, who they gave the dog to, and so the other four she just kept 00:08:39.617 --> 00:08:41.757 because she couldn't find a good home. 00:08:42.007 --> 00:08:45.687 So to have it like, oh, actually, yes, there are so many people who want the 00:08:45.687 --> 00:08:50.507 dogs, but just kind of, but I think that whole idea that people who rescue dogs 00:08:50.527 --> 00:08:54.137 are just doing it on the side, like you see that here as well, you know, there's 00:08:54.137 --> 00:09:00.872 a lot of like, You know, usually kind of young women who kind of just try and do 00:09:00.872 --> 00:09:07.022 their best, but really don't have any idea of how to do this in an effective way. 00:09:07.062 --> 00:09:10.802 I think there's so much, yeah, that, that, that there's such a hole 00:09:10.802 --> 00:09:14.172 in there, that there's such a gap in the market to, to really help. 00:09:14.402 --> 00:09:14.742 Yeah, 00:09:14.762 --> 00:09:15.582 Kathy: that's incredible. 00:09:15.992 --> 00:09:19.132 Yeah, so the stats are absolutely amazing. 00:09:19.152 --> 00:09:25.042 Two dogs unneutered can produce 350, 000 dogs in five years. 00:09:26.162 --> 00:09:32.582 Two cats, five million, two cats, five million. 00:09:32.582 --> 00:09:34.492 So spay and neuter is critical. 00:09:34.722 --> 00:09:39.412 The problem is we don't have spay and neuter enforcement and even if there 00:09:39.422 --> 00:09:44.422 are mandatory like Dallas actually has, Dallas, Texas has mandatory neuter spay, 00:09:44.422 --> 00:09:46.362 but they have no capability of enforcing. 00:09:46.722 --> 00:09:47.022 Yeah. 00:09:47.142 --> 00:09:49.692 And I'll give you a couple more stats that are really scary. 00:09:49.702 --> 00:09:51.082 Houston has 1. 00:09:51.182 --> 00:09:54.232 4 million dogs living on the streets. 00:09:54.442 --> 00:09:55.392 That's ridiculous. 00:09:55.782 --> 00:09:57.422 Dallas has 28, 000. 00:09:57.432 --> 00:09:59.002 San Antonio has something similar. 00:09:59.002 --> 00:10:01.472 San Antonio kills 60 to 100 dogs every week. 00:10:02.137 --> 00:10:04.877 Uh, I don't know how many Fort Worth does, but there were so 00:10:04.877 --> 00:10:06.327 many dogs in there the other day. 00:10:06.327 --> 00:10:10.157 So, you know, people unfortunately, you know, all of us in rescue, you know, 00:10:10.297 --> 00:10:14.377 we have the commercial, the cartoons that joke and say, I've decided I 00:10:14.377 --> 00:10:16.457 no longer can handle my children. 00:10:16.477 --> 00:10:18.947 I wasn't really thinking when I first had them. 00:10:19.222 --> 00:10:20.262 But this is what we get. 00:10:20.262 --> 00:10:23.352 It's like, Oh, I got a baby and I can't take care of the dog anymore. 00:10:23.412 --> 00:10:24.772 Oh, I got another puppy. 00:10:24.772 --> 00:10:26.962 I mean, I saw a senior dog two weeks ago. 00:10:26.962 --> 00:10:31.852 He's 16 years old and they got a puppy and the puppy was bothering the 16 year old. 00:10:31.852 --> 00:10:32.862 So he wasn't happy. 00:10:32.862 --> 00:10:33.632 And what did they do? 00:10:33.632 --> 00:10:35.222 They turned him to a kill shelter. 00:10:35.522 --> 00:10:35.872 Oh, 00:10:36.572 --> 00:10:36.992 Anke: that's ridiculous. 00:10:37.592 --> 00:10:43.182 I just don't even know how somebody can even, you know, look in the mirror 00:10:43.222 --> 00:10:44.272 in the morning, you know, without 00:10:44.272 --> 00:10:44.852 Kathy: getting sick. 00:10:46.322 --> 00:10:47.722 It's unconscionable. 00:10:47.762 --> 00:10:52.452 I mean, Texas is like a third world country, uh, in terms of dogs. 00:10:52.502 --> 00:10:57.992 They really treat them, um, as furniture in many, not all Texans. 00:10:57.992 --> 00:11:02.852 I mean, I am so blessed to have, we have 20 foster families in, in Dallas, 00:11:03.262 --> 00:11:05.172 and I have a few around the state. 00:11:05.562 --> 00:11:10.302 But we primarily, it's easier, so I am a machine, so I'm very organized, and so 00:11:10.302 --> 00:11:14.212 we now have the clinics, the fosters will take the dogs to the clinics, get the 00:11:14.222 --> 00:11:18.392 vaccination, we have an inexpensive vet, I make appointments a month in advance, 00:11:18.682 --> 00:11:22.932 so I have, as soon as I get a dog, boom, they go in, uh, we have transports that 00:11:22.942 --> 00:11:26.992 leave every other week, so we take them to the east coast, the adopters meet 00:11:26.992 --> 00:11:31.762 them, if they're golden retrievers, we adopt them remotely, because the goldens 00:11:31.782 --> 00:11:33.882 have such predictable personalities. 00:11:34.882 --> 00:11:39.102 And while we want to save all dogs, it's really a matter of adoptability. 00:11:39.102 --> 00:11:44.432 If I can't adopt the dog, my partner in Texas has two dogs as a foster 00:11:44.432 --> 00:11:46.162 for another local organization. 00:11:46.312 --> 00:11:48.432 He's had those dogs for over a year. 00:11:49.212 --> 00:11:50.732 Not one application. 00:11:50.852 --> 00:11:51.482 Not one. 00:11:51.867 --> 00:11:52.657 A whole year. 00:11:53.347 --> 00:11:57.197 And because they're hound shepherd mixes, and there's a gazillion of them, right? 00:11:57.227 --> 00:12:00.177 And on the East Coast, everybody has families. 00:12:00.177 --> 00:12:03.507 I live in la la land, you know, so it's four acre zoning. 00:12:03.507 --> 00:12:08.067 It's beautiful, it's green, but everybody wants, you know, a lab, a golden, 00:12:08.127 --> 00:12:10.227 a foo foo dog, you know, doodles. 00:12:10.247 --> 00:12:13.767 We have a million doodles, you know, and doodles aren't purebred dogs, by the way. 00:12:13.797 --> 00:12:14.367 They're mutts. 00:12:14.727 --> 00:12:15.527 They're a hybrid of mutts. 00:12:16.262 --> 00:12:16.522 Hey, 00:12:20.142 --> 00:12:25.522 so my passion is really getting people educated and making alternatives. 00:12:25.522 --> 00:12:28.652 So I'm working very hard in these commodity deals because 00:12:28.682 --> 00:12:30.312 they're sizable if they close. 00:12:30.692 --> 00:12:36.072 And then I plan to fund mobile spay neuter clinics and make them 100 percent free. 00:12:36.892 --> 00:12:41.732 And so if I can do that, we'll make a change because if we don't, I mean, 00:12:41.732 --> 00:12:45.562 we just took an owner surrender this week, a golden retriever, gorgeous. 00:12:45.562 --> 00:12:46.492 He's one year old. 00:12:46.902 --> 00:12:47.812 He's not neutered. 00:12:48.197 --> 00:12:51.757 And then she has a Boston Terrier who was fighting with him and he's not neutered. 00:12:51.787 --> 00:12:53.337 So you have two unneutered males. 00:12:53.852 --> 00:12:55.662 Right, and she has a little female. 00:12:55.692 --> 00:12:57.872 I didn't ask about the female because I was more concerned 00:12:57.872 --> 00:12:59.162 about whether the dog is friendly. 00:12:59.522 --> 00:13:01.042 We also went out there. 00:13:01.042 --> 00:13:03.932 It's actually five and a half hours west of Dallas, out in 00:13:03.942 --> 00:13:05.562 Lubbock, which is west Texas. 00:13:05.562 --> 00:13:10.132 You get into oil country out there, and we were taking three dogs from another woman. 00:13:10.552 --> 00:13:12.712 Um, my fosters were so wonderful. 00:13:12.712 --> 00:13:14.272 The husband and wife went out there. 00:13:14.672 --> 00:13:16.482 We found out the dogs were feral. 00:13:18.197 --> 00:13:20.877 They're all golden retrievers, like it's an oxymoron. 00:13:20.887 --> 00:13:23.297 These dogs are just so level, they haven't been touched at all. 00:13:23.307 --> 00:13:24.687 Do you think the owner could have told me? 00:13:25.247 --> 00:13:25.767 That's what it is. 00:13:26.687 --> 00:13:27.177 Yeah. 00:13:28.357 --> 00:13:31.737 So now it's very complicated, but my, my network is incredible. 00:13:31.747 --> 00:13:32.707 I'm so blessed. 00:13:33.067 --> 00:13:37.217 I really believe that the universe provides and, you know, I just pray 00:13:37.227 --> 00:13:40.947 my, my life away, you know, that things just fall into place and. 00:13:41.642 --> 00:13:44.642 We have generous supporters, people, somebody this morning just 00:13:44.642 --> 00:13:49.682 donated to our vet, so I know that my neuters tomorrow are paid for. 00:13:49.682 --> 00:13:52.202 So, we've been funding this ourselves. 00:13:52.212 --> 00:13:55.622 It takes a while for your 501c3 in the United States to come. 00:13:56.052 --> 00:13:58.522 Um, there's 90 million dogs in the United States. 00:13:58.532 --> 00:14:01.702 44 percent of the households in the United States have dogs. 00:14:01.702 --> 00:14:03.522 There's 97 million cats. 00:14:04.782 --> 00:14:09.452 And yeah, so you know, we live in a society where it's bifurcated, right? 00:14:09.452 --> 00:14:12.922 You have the rich and the poor, and I think that's globally we're 00:14:12.922 --> 00:14:14.292 starting to see that, right? 00:14:14.342 --> 00:14:18.822 And so what happens is the upper end takes care of their foo foo, their 00:14:18.822 --> 00:14:22.332 little dog, with lots of, you know, the pet business is incredible. 00:14:22.352 --> 00:14:27.492 Dog food is 28 billion, growing at 25 percent, and over the counter 00:14:27.492 --> 00:14:32.032 nutraceuticals for pets is 15 billion, growing at about 15 percent. 00:14:32.432 --> 00:14:34.992 So the people that the empty nesters. 00:14:35.387 --> 00:14:37.667 are, you know, downsizing their dogs. 00:14:37.797 --> 00:14:40.547 Half the dogs in the United States are now under 25 pounds. 00:14:41.367 --> 00:14:44.387 And so they're feeding their food, so all the trends. 00:14:44.397 --> 00:14:48.037 So it, you know, it locks in with business in a lot of ways, but my 00:14:48.037 --> 00:14:49.377 passion is to make a difference. 00:14:49.377 --> 00:14:53.457 If we can educate people and give them tools to be able to neuter spay for 00:14:53.457 --> 00:14:56.977 free, because if you don't have money to put food on the table, you're not 00:14:56.977 --> 00:14:58.417 spending a hundred dollars on the dog. 00:14:58.717 --> 00:14:59.807 You just don't have it. 00:15:00.727 --> 00:15:01.467 Anke: That's so true. 00:15:01.897 --> 00:15:02.687 Yeah, I love that. 00:15:02.687 --> 00:15:06.777 So, I mean, I'm just like, yeah, the statistics are mind boggling. 00:15:06.827 --> 00:15:09.747 You know, I thought, I thought Spain was bad, but I think 00:15:09.747 --> 00:15:11.467 this sounds, this sounds... 00:15:12.852 --> 00:15:13.482 Horrible. 00:15:13.542 --> 00:15:15.792 It's just, there's so much work to do. 00:15:15.792 --> 00:15:19.862 So I'm so grateful that, that you are on that mission, and I think there 00:15:19.867 --> 00:15:24.527 seems to be more and more people who actually, you know, well in, in, 00:15:24.972 --> 00:15:28.422 in the, in the process of, of what I'm doing with these interviews. 00:15:28.422 --> 00:15:32.887 It's heartwarming to see how many people, there's so many people doing great work. 00:15:33.247 --> 00:15:36.267 for dogs and and their people and that's like really heartwarming it 00:15:36.267 --> 00:15:40.877 feels like this hope for humanity so you know it's really beautiful. 00:15:41.107 --> 00:15:45.577 So where can people go people go and connect with you find out more about 00:15:45.807 --> 00:15:48.307 you maybe support where should we 00:15:48.307 --> 00:15:48.757 Kathy: send them? 00:15:49.947 --> 00:15:53.267 So uh since we're not incorporating yet our website's not quite done 00:15:53.277 --> 00:15:57.537 it'll be done shortly but the the rescue is called the golden project. 00:15:58.472 --> 00:16:00.272 Saving those with hearts of gold. 00:16:00.302 --> 00:16:01.652 We started with Golden's. 00:16:01.672 --> 00:16:03.942 We will not be Golden Retriever specific. 00:16:03.982 --> 00:16:05.342 We want to save other dogs. 00:16:05.342 --> 00:16:08.642 It's just a matter of whether we have homes and the ability to place them. 00:16:08.642 --> 00:16:10.112 So we have a Facebook page. 00:16:10.502 --> 00:16:13.082 So you can easily find the Golden Project on Facebook. 00:16:13.952 --> 00:16:16.202 And then Kathy Boyle, B O Y L E. 00:16:16.702 --> 00:16:18.132 Chapin Hill is my company name. 00:16:18.142 --> 00:16:20.502 C H A P I N H I L L. 00:16:20.782 --> 00:16:23.752 We're on Insta at Chapin underscore Hill. 00:16:23.942 --> 00:16:24.862 I'm on Twitter. 00:16:25.252 --> 00:16:28.372 Um, on LinkedIn, so you can find me pretty easily. 00:16:28.372 --> 00:16:31.872 I do a fair amount of TV and radio, so it's very easy to Google me and find me. 00:16:32.232 --> 00:16:33.592 And then I'm happy to connect. 00:16:33.972 --> 00:16:36.452 You know, we really are offering a personal service. 00:16:36.452 --> 00:16:40.542 I match up the dogs by personality, after interviewing the families. 00:16:40.822 --> 00:16:43.652 And so I'm happy to help anybody get any dog. 00:16:44.052 --> 00:16:45.202 You know, obviously... 00:16:45.412 --> 00:16:49.662 From Texas to New York and Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Jersey is easier 00:16:49.672 --> 00:16:53.482 for me than, you know, finding a dog for someone in Minnesota, but I'm 00:16:53.482 --> 00:16:58.262 happy to help and I have a very large rescue circle, so I can refer people. 00:16:58.262 --> 00:17:00.882 Somebody asked me for a dog recently, he's in Tennessee, so I 00:17:00.882 --> 00:17:02.142 wanted to drop him off on the way. 00:17:02.432 --> 00:17:05.272 And I said, well, I have a Tennessee rescue, why don't you talk to her? 00:17:05.652 --> 00:17:09.912 So I'm a connector and I use those skills to help animals as well. 00:17:10.362 --> 00:17:10.892 Anke: I love that. 00:17:10.912 --> 00:17:13.342 And I'll put, obviously, I'll put all the links in the show notes, 00:17:13.352 --> 00:17:16.232 so to make it really easy to, for people to connect with you. 00:17:16.232 --> 00:17:17.442 Thank you so much. 00:17:17.882 --> 00:17:19.242 And thanks for all the work you do. 00:17:19.242 --> 00:17:21.042 Thanks for taking the time to come here. 00:17:21.402 --> 00:17:24.672 And, uh, I really hope to have you on again 00:17:25.142 --> 00:17:25.792 Kathy: in the future. 00:17:26.562 --> 00:17:27.032 Wonderful. 00:17:27.042 --> 00:17:27.667 Thank you, Anke. 00:17:27.667 --> 00:17:28.822 Thank you for what you're doing. 00:17:28.822 --> 00:17:31.582 We appreciate getting the message out to people, you know, 00:17:31.582 --> 00:17:33.532 that dogs have hearts of gold. 00:17:34.162 --> 00:17:35.392 Thanks so much for listening. 00:17:35.912 --> 00:17:40.212 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:17:40.312 --> 00:17:42.092 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:17:42.882 --> 00:17:46.372 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:17:46.802 --> 00:17:52.372 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:17:52.472 --> 00:17:54.842 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:17:54.843 --> 00:17:58.572 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:17:58.992 --> 00:18:00.132 I'd love an introduction. 00:18:00.612 --> 00:18:02.442 Email me at Anke. 00:18:02.712 --> 00:18:06.947 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.