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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey, well, welcome

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to the Bible Guys. I'm Chris
and Jay. Here we are, Yes,

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we are here for a week back
week two, starting week two of

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our brand new series in the Old
Testament. And we haven't really named this

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series. We just said we got
to think of something. It's sort of

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the major events of the Old Testament
in chronological order that point to Jesus.

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Yeah, how about this question highlights? Yeah, okay, yeah, we'll

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keep working on it. Yeah,
well, I mean like highlights sounds like

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I don't know, pretty cash.
How about Chris and Jeff's check to the

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Old Testament christ Christian excellent adventurement.
There you go. That's right, that's

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great. All right, Well,
today we are playing a new game.

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Actually it's not a new game.
It's it's just a civic specific, geared

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game. So it's yes, but
it says, Jeff, you've been traveling

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a lot these days. So basically, Desiree wants you to come up with

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information to see if I know about
your travels. Okay, so we're sort

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of washing it to a two truths
and a lie, and I have to

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guess the lie. Okay about your
travels? Okay U two truths in a

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lie about travels? Yes, Okay, he travels a lot, by the

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way, Yes, And I like
I like to do fun stuff. Like

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usually what happens is we'll work five
or six ten hour days and then on

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either the sixth or seventh day,
we'll take a whole break for the whole

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day and just go do something fun. Yeah, And well you got to

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have a fun day, yeah,
Yeah. And it's I think it's almost

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a crime to be in Africa and
not go see a giraffe or something,

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right, So yeah, for sure, So that that's part of it.

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So there's almost always it's funny because
I don't post a lot of pictures of

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the people we're with because in a
lot of places, we're working with people

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where maybe the thing is not legal
to do right planning planning churches or sharing

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the gospel, or it might cause
it might compromise their safety. I don't

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want to get my friends hurt,
So a lot of times I don't post

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any pictures of that work. So
then I post a picture of Big Ben

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or of the Eiffel Tower, and
people go, wow, how was your

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vacation? And it was like seven
days of grueling difficulty and one day of

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running around, And so I quit
posting a lot of photos because of that,

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because everyone a vacation. But okay, let's let's do let's do some

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to truth is in a lie.
First statement, Okay, I once stepped

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on a cobra. I explored ancient
temples in the in the Southeast Asia,

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and a man, I'm having a
hard time. I once shark dived in

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a cage diving on a reef in
the Red Sea. Okay, So first

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of all, that was really good
for being on the spot. It's a

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good job. So I actually think
that Desirae is going to be pleased with

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the results of this because I actually
think I know the answer. Good.

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I think I've heard the story about
you stepping on a cobra. Oh okay,

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that is true, correct, yes, And I've actually just heard you

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talk about this recently in the hallway
or something like this, where you explored

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ancient temples in Asia. So therefore
I would say the lie has to be

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shark diving. That's correct. I've
never shark dived yet. Okay, I'm

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gonna are you do you know that
it's on my list too? Is it?

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What? We got to do it? Yeah? Well you should bring

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me along with you on one of
your adventures, and then our fun day

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won't be so fun and I'll be
terrified. But I'd like to do it.

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Okay, So for real, I
have a friend who used to work

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at a resort town on the Red
Sea coast of Egypt. Herga is the

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name of the place, and they
do uh cage diving with sharks out.

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Yeah, so I'd love to do
that. Yeah, I would love to.

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Yeah, okay, well we got
to get better. It'd be better

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if it wasn't a great white,
but it'd be better if it was right

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right exactly when he got a shark
as big as a bus coming at you,

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you know, when you when you
have a tiger shark or something like

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that, they kill more people.
Oh, tiger sharks. Yeah. Oh

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well then I hope it's a great
way. They're just not as bigh Okay,

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well, hey that sounds that was
there. You go, Chris there,

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I'm so proud of you. But
that just means I tell too many

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stories. Well that's what I was
trying to think of told it means I'm

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with you a lot. That's all
that means, right, Because not everybody

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hears all your stories, that's right, But those closest to you hear most

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of them. Like Bonnie, for
instance, she knows every story you have.

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Yeah, that's right, well most
of them. I don't tell her

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the ones where I almost died until
until later. How did Jeff die?

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For the most part, she just
asked me, now, when I leak

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sit, you know, I'm gone
a lot. Yeah, She'll asked me.

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Hey, so our insurance is paid, right, that's what she wants

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to know. It used to be
goodbye, babe, but I love you,

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can't wait to come home. And
I was like, our insurance is

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paid, right? Yeah? So
would she says, so she can aggrieve

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effectively? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so she can grieve effectively. That's

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so good. Okay, So that
is it. And now we are a

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week. This starts our second week
in the series, and we have managed

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to rummage through Genesis one and two
and half of chapter three, that's correct.

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And then now we're in Genesis three. Because this is actually pretty important.

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It's the fall. This is the
event of events of humanity. So

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if our listeners were with us on
Friday last week or at the end of

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the last week's thing. Adam and
Eve ate the fruit. Yeah, here

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they are. They're in this giant
garden. It looks like maybe fifteen hundred

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miles square. Yeah, there's one
tree, it literally says, in the

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middle of the garden, and for
some dumb reason, they're hanging out by

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that tree. And by the way, think about that, which indicates that

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we don't know how long they existed
in the garden, Like we have no

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idea, right because because to travel
that far and find the tree could have

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been years, right, right,
So, but it is interesting where you

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know, humans are kind of like
a moth drawn to a bright light.

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We just can't hardly help it,
right, So they go They just go

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right to it, wet paint and
apparently don't touch it. Hey, be

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careful, that's hot, right,
that's what we do. So they wind

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up eating the fruit just so,
which it ultimately represents they rebelled against God.

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They chose to do their own thing, they were deceived to do it,

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and they start blaming each other.
They blame the serpent, they blame

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Adam blames God. The woman you
gave me right, gave you this to

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me, right, it's not my
fault, which is all a part of

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the normal human It's sort of it's
sort of a two for one in that

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sentence, right, he's blaming the
woman and God. Yeah, yeah,

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he very smart slick on that one. So then God pronounces judgment here,

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and so that's where we're at now, after they're done accusing each other in

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the serpent. So then Genesis chapter
three, verse fourteen, it says,

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then the Lord God said to the
serpent, because you have done this,

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you are cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild. You will crawl

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on your belly, groveling in the
dust as long as you live. And

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I will cause hostility between you and
the woman, and between your offspring and

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her offspring. He will strike your
head and you will strike his heel.

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And then he said to the woman, I will sharpen the pain of your

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pregnancy, and in pain, you'll
give birth, and you will desire to

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control your husband, but he will
rule over you. And to the man,

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he said, since you listened to
your wife and ate from the tree

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whose fruit I commanded you not to
eat, the ground is cursed because of

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you. All your life will struggle. You will struggle to scratch out a

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living from it. It'll grow thorns
and thistles for you, though you will

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eat of its grains by the sweat
of your brow. Will you have food

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to eat until you return to the
ground from which you were made, For

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you were made from dust, and
to dust you'll return. Then the man

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Adam named his wife Eve because she
would be the mother of all who live,

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and the Lord God made clothing from
animal skins for Adam and his wife.

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Then the Lord God said, look, the human beings had become like

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us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out take the

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fruit of the Tree of Life and
eat it, then they will live forever.

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And so the Lord God banished them
from the Garden of Eden, and

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he sent Adam out to cultivate the
ground from which he had been made.

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After sending them out, the Lord
God's stationed mighty cherub him to the east

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of the Garden of Eden, and
he placed a flaming sword that flashed back

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and forth to guard the way to
the Tree of Life. There you go,

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there's a lot in there, I
know. Yeah, so you know.

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So Adam and Eve eat the fruit
here. This is God's judgment,

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and there's so much in there,
because first of all, he gives a

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curse to the serpent because you've done
this. He said to the serpent,

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you are cursed more than all animals
domestic and wild, to crawl on your

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belly groveling in the dust as long
as you live. Now, when I

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was younger, I tried to picture
a serpent with legs. I tried to

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picture yeah, like like maybe sort
of like a snake lizard, right and

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and yeah, something like this.
And then he says, well, now

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you're going to be cursed, you
know, the actual serpent itself. And

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so uh and do you think that's
a literal curse like that? Yeah?

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Sure, Yeah, I've always thought
that because a lot of snakes actually have

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places on their body where it looks
like maybe that used to be shoulders right

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in their in their bone structure and
stuff like that. Not all of them,

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but some do. Wow. Yeah, And so that's pretty wild because

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obviously we weren't there, you know, at the very beginning when God created

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all the animals, so we wouldn't
know. And so that seems to be

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a literal, physical, uh sort
of curse. And then uh, and

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then uh, hostility, we would
cause hostility between you and the woman,

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between your offspring and her offspring.
And so this this is this is a

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verse that I've always heard at marriage
conferences where I went to a marriage conference

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one time, my wife and I
for a two day conference, and they

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talked about how the difficulty of marriage
takes work because originally marriage was created in

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perfection, and they're in they were
marriage of the institution of marriage was created

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as a perfect sinless man, a
perfect sinless woman. Uh. Together,

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and then all of a sudden,
now there it's literally saying in so many

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words, your relationship will cause work, or it will it will require require

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work, not cause uh and uh. And so I've always thought that,

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I've always thought she was marriage is
hard, but I think it was designed

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to be just the bliss part.
Oh yeah, absolutely right. They're running

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around the running around the garden naked, they got a job to do,

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they get fruit. It's just it's
you know, you drink and be merry

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kind of thing, work hard,
have fun, right, all that kind

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of stuff, fill the planet.
That was your job, right, and

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then you know, sin gets involved, and then all of a sudden we're

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blaming each other. And oftentimes,
you know, when marriages start to come

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apart, both spouses blame the other, and then it's just it's at the

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core of the of the curse,
of the curse. We just struggle with

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each other on that, and it
takes a tremendous amount of work to manage.

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But it's the same thing. Food
wasn't supposed to be hard either,

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right, right. Work wasn't supposed
to be a burden either. Having children

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wasn't supposed to be a difficult thing
either, right, So everything that is

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good and is worthy, we have
to work really really, really really hard

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at you know, we have to
cultivate it. Quite honestly, this idea.

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Their job was to cultivate the garden. It just wasn't supposed to be

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hard. And now everything is hard
that's worth doing. If you don't do

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any work, if you don't cultivate
your finances, what happens. Your finances

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fall apart. If you don't cultivate
your garden, what happens Your garden doesn't

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grow, it gets overrun with weeds. If you don't cultivate your children,

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what happens they run wild. If
you don't cultivate your marriage. What happens

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it falls apart, Right, everything
worth having you have to work really really

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really hard at And I think that
all hints to we stay frustrated with it.

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Hey, you and I are sitting
here in the studio. People are

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listening on Monday, right, they're
listening on a Monday. They're getting ready

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to go to work. And you're
like, right, you go, oh

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come on now, work is what
provides all the good stuff in your life,

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most of it, right, So
the good things, I think it

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all reminds us, the good things
that come out of the struggle reminds us.

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We all want to go back to
the garden. That's what we want.

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We want paradise. Right. That's
why when you go on vacation,

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you start looking. I wonder how
much houses cost here? Right? You

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going zelow? You start thinking,
Man, if I could just lift here

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on vacation. But you know,
the people who live there go on vacation

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somewhere else, that's right, right, they did. I gotta get out

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of this place. Yeah. My
buddy who lives in flor he lives like

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in like the one of the nicest
places in Florida, Treasure Island on the

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boat. Oh yeah, yeah,
literally on the beach. And he bought

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a house in like the woods in
North Carolina, like this log cabin with

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a generator and all this stuff.
And I'm like, that's where you go

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on vacation. I got to get
off this beach. I gotta go.

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I gotta take a break, man. Right, It's so funny, isn't

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it. Yeah, because we're all
chasing the garden. Yes, we lost

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it. And that's what we just
read. We lost the garden. We're

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chasing it. Every good thing we
still know it should be a little better,

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but we have to work hard to
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speaking of hating work, to all
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let me ask you a trivia question. Which famous cartoon was famous for

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saying I hate Mondays? Oh oh
uh. It was like it was like

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an illustrated like Sunday Morning comic streets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. He was a cat.
Oh my gosh, who's a cat?

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I know, I know, I
can't remember. It wasn't Heathcliff.

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It was Garfield. It was Garfield
ding Ding ding Ding. Another crazy silly

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thought because I'm the silly thought guy. Was you know you like being outdoors.

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So this you may not think this
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always being outdoors. So the thought
of like Adam and Eve running through the

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garden naked and having no protection or
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Sure, I actually thought to myself, I wonder if mosquitos are a part

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of the curse, because mosquitoes seem
like they're cursing this world. Yeah,

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that's right, they are. They're
curse. They got it, yeah,

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right, blocks right, So we're
Adam and even in the perfect garden going

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out and like, you know,
scratching and then having mosquito bites. I

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think not, I think I think
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fruit or something. Yes, And
after the curse, they're like, we

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like humans. We like humans,
that's right. That's the worst. That's

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the worst part about being outside,
to be honest with you. Yes,

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okay, so then in all bugs
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the man and said, when I
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let me just go, let me
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struggle to scratch a living from from
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and by the sweat of your brow. You have food to eat,

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return to the ground. I actually
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and weed a garden, every time
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connected to the curse. Every time
you hear one of our staff members just

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had a baby, right, and
there was a lot of complications involved,

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a lot of struggle. Every time
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the curse. Every time you have
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and and the marriage isn't necessarily perfect. It's it's connected to the curse.

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Right, every time that you wake
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your back, right, and then
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part of the curse. Every time
you go to a funeral, it's a

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part of the curse. Everything that
is bad, yes, yeah, all

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those things. Yeah, it's so
crazy. Yeah, I think it's crazy.

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You know when you wead that flowerbed
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moode just right, and you step
back and go, oh, that's perfect,

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right, You feel so good about
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That's you were made to work.
There is so much satisfaction to work.

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You cannot get that satisfaction or that
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nothing else, but when you do
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you complete it even with all the
struggle. The problem is we weren't made

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to struggle through it. We were
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But the struggle is the curse.
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a minute, you glimpse it and
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We're back in the garden for a
second, and then the weeds grow back

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three days later. Right, And
so this year we didn't spray our yard,

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and so we are the yard in
the neighborhood with all of the that's

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good for the bees, yeah,
yeah, I know it is. It's

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good for the beest. It's not
good for my neighbors who all have perfawns,

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right right, Yeah, Well,
I'll be honest, I'm the guy

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with the perfect lawn. Yeah,
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And my wife was sad, and
she said, she goes, oh,

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I can't believe that. She's I
sure hope that these danny lions that

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are sprayed die because I don't want
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so I was like, okay,
so I paid to have it sprayed,

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so instead of letting it just happen, I found myself with a mask on,

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on my hands and knees, literally
scooping up and deweeding my entire lawn

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because my wife was concerned for the
bees. Yeah, right, Well we

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didn't do it this year. Yeah, well my neighbors seems like everybody either

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loves the bees or everybody doesn't care
about their lawn. Well, the bees

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are important. I mean, we're
losing bees. Without bees, we don't

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live, So there's that. I'm
not sure that that was my intent.

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I wasn't thinking I'm a being noble
saving the planet. It was just we

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didn't do it. And it's funny
now because we're running around our beds.

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Just got a little overwhelmed. I've
been out of town quite a bit the

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last couple weeks, and so I
walked up to my house the other day

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and I'm just looking across, going, oh, my gosh, what happened

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in that fast? We had some
rain, we had some sunshine, and

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all of a sudden, these beautiful
gardens suddenly just went wam and it's all

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just wild, overrun. In a
matter of days, it'll get away from

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you quick. It's unbelievable, right, And that's what happens. So it's

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the same thing. We have to
cultivate our marriages. It'll get away from

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me quick. The fact that you
did work last week, or that it

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did work last month or last year, or that things were looking beautiful and

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perfect a little while ago. Things
get away from us quick. The same

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thing with our children, the same
thing with our finances. It's the same

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thing with everything that's worth it to
have in life. Every little glimpse of

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the garden, every little glimpse of
perfection. We lose very fast if we

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don't cultivate it. But it takes
work. And then God kicks them out

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of the garden, which is crazy. He sets up angels with a flaming

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sword, going, can't come back
here, right. Yeah. And I

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would not trespass, No, no, I would. I would avoid that

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place. Yes. Uh. And
here's another interesting tidbit. It says,

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then the Lord God said, look, the human beings have become like us

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plural not me, right, knowing
both good and evil. Now, that

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doesn't mean that we're that we have
god like powers. It just means that

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the aspect of God who knows both
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So becoming more like God really is
what that sentence breaks down to.

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And then then it says more like
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plural there, it's another nod to
the trinity, isn't it right? Right?

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Yeah? So father, son,
holy Spirit, one, one,

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God, three persons, which is
interesting. Yeah, so you pointed out

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that word, there's also another one. I thought it was interesting. Go

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back to the serpent real quick.
I ran across this as I was.

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I was just fiddling with this before
you walked in. The word for serpent

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here is in Hebrew is nick hash, which can also be translated as shining

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one or enchanter. Is an interesting
because the Bible says that Satan is like

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an angel of light. Sure,
so when you were asking about earlier about

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him losing his legs and all that
kind of stuff, this could have been

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a separate creature that's being translated as
serpent, right. It's interesting, So

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it can be translated as serpent or
snake, but it also could be another

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meaning of it. This isn't the
traditional word for serpent. The other translation

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could be shining one or enchanter.
So we do know that he was an

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enchanter. He talked them into doing
things that they shouldn't do. Well,

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it makes a whole lot more sense
than the creepiness of a snake be appealing,

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right, you know, but the
Bible does use the snake theme throughout

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the rest of the Bible. By
the time you get the revelation, it

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causing that old serpent the devil,
right, So there's a lot of maybe

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the symbolism in that, but I
do believe, you know, you are

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talking about an actual creature, something
that they were familiar with, that received

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the curse. And so then here
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By the way, I'll curse the
hostility between you and the women, between

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your offspring and her offspring. He
will strike your head and you will strike

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his heel, the satan's ability to
cause damage in the moment, he'll have

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temporary winds, but ultimately Jesus will
crush the serpent's head. Right, And

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that was the very first promise of
a messiah coming. And then the Bible

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says that God then made clothing for
them from animal skins, for Adam and

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Eve, and this was the first
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planet right prior to this, and
he made them from animal skins. This

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idea that their sins were covered,
their shame, their guilt was covered by

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an innocent one, was very symbolic
of the fact that Jesus would come someday.

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This was very likely the first sacrifice, quite honestly, an innocent one

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was sacrificed to cover over the shame
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imagine how horrifying that would have been. Oh yeah, for them, you

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know, yeah, wearing an animal
skin, yeah yeah, seeing something die,

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right, right, seeing the insides
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But to see something die and it's
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So Romans says, wherefore is by
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death by sin? So death passed
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Right, And so this is the
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the innocent that will die for the
guilty, but ultimately that innocent one will

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crush, will crush Satan. Yeah, that's amazing. You know, sometimes

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I have to laugh at my brain
because did you ever see Tropic Thunder?

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I had the image of Ben Stiller
wearing the panda thing and he was while

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he did it, because he didn't
mean to kill the panda, but then

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he had he had the skin it
to stay warm. Anyway, sorry about

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that, okay, insurution, But
for all the people who are tropic thunder

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fans out there, uh, they
will love that comment. Uh. And

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then and by the way, this
this is a thing that is set into

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motion for the rest of the the
the entire Old Testament, until Jesus comes

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right right, this establishes the theme. That's what I said a few days

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ago. Genesis one through eleven establishes
all the rest of the Bible, right,

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all the rest of scripture, all
the rest of human history is established

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in these first eleven. These are
all the foundational ideas. Yeah, that's

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incredible. Well, but it looks
like about our time, so hopefully we

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will see you next time on the
Bible. Guys,