WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:05.140 Metalhead Podcast, Metalhead Podcast, Go! 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:27.860 You must listen. 00:00:28.740 --> 00:00:30.060 You must listen. 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:32.460 You must listen. 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.400 Now, here is the Podcast Metalhead's Podcast Go. 00:00:41.100 --> 00:00:42.340 Hey, this is George. 00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:43.920 This is Will. 00:00:44.540 --> 00:00:45.400 And this is John. 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:50.200 And we are at the Mighty Atlas Brew Works in Washington, D.C., 00:00:50.540 --> 00:00:54.100 where we are attending the show that Will is putting on, 00:00:54.160 --> 00:01:24.140 The Decibel Medal and Beer Fest kickoff party. Hello, Will. Tell us about what you got going here. So yeah, Albert from Decibel Magazine, the managing editor, he contacted me, God, it was back in August, I think, of last year and said, hey, we want to have the kickoff show for the Decibel Medal and Beer Fest at Atlas. I'm like, yes, please. So him and I went back and forth for a while to try and fix it. 00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:54.060 and figure out who we're gonna get on this bill that's worthy. And so we kicked around a few names and maybe it was because I was a Brigantine Jersey at the beach with my family for a vacation. But I thought I was thinking Philly and I was thinking New Jersey. So headlining we have Evokin. They're standing actually right there. Maybe we should drag them in. Evokin from Lynnhurst, New Jersey is headlining. Death Doom Band, legendary. And then we have another Doom Band. 00:01:54.300 --> 00:02:22.920 Crip Sermon. Brooks, the lead singer, standing right over there. Oh, there he is. We got James. And then we have Local Ilsa, which is like a crossover, doomy, thrashy, black metal-y band who are going to open up the show. But by no means. Like, I mean, they're on Relapse Records. I mean, they're opening the show. Like, that's how stacked this bill is. It's fucking crazy. It's stacked like, well, you know what, like pancakes. Hey, and we have a special guest. We got James. 00:02:24.040 --> 00:02:54.000 Hey, who is James? James? James! He's like the guy, he's like the advertising art, all around awesome dude who I see every now and again. I give him a big hug from Decimal Magazine. Say hello, James. Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me on the podcast. Thanks for listening. Oh, and by the way, James listens to this crap. Yeah, that's what, that's, I've been, my mind has been blown by the fact that you know things about the podcast. Every time I go to a show and I run into him, he's like, hey, I just 00:02:54.040 --> 00:03:24.000 I just was listening like yesterday and you guys and it's really good to hear yeah yeah we really appreciate it thank you he listens more than me because I have not even listened to the last three episodes yet I've been too busy Twitter how far back does that go to what um I am halfway through the all-father one holy shit I'm way ahead of you then I have to listen to them all twice as I was saying earlier at some point when you live it you're like you wait a little while to listen again you're like oh did I do 00:03:24.040 --> 00:03:54.000 something really fucking stupid last episode which is pretty much every episode so James how did you hear about us like how did you come across I met him you met Will all right so not a very good story no no hey well I think first we traded some emails and then heard about the podcast that way and checked it out after that I think the first time we met was when we did the collaboration brew down at 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:58.040 That's the first time I met Albert and you were there. 00:03:58.420 --> 00:04:10.260 Yes, yeah. Came down with a growler of some of your beer. I can't remember which one. But I remember being really happy about it. And I remember you saying that Power Trip was going to be a big thing. 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:21.840 Yeah, well, Champion made a beer for Power Trip. And then the beer was okay. But yeah, Power Trip's pretty awesome. 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:52.000 We're talking about Power Trip and I think a death metal band called Rude, right? Yeah, Rude! I remember, yeah. I was like, dude, you gotta check out these band Rude. Like, dumbest name ever. Sorry if you're listening, Rude. Probably not. But, yeah. I was like, whoa! This is like old school death metal done really, really well. That's gotta be Ilsa way here in the background. That is Ilsa warming up. Yes. I should clarify that. Yeah, they're doing their sound check and it sounds amazing. We have T minus 00:04:52.040 --> 00:05:21.700 1 hour and 30 seconds to go. Yep. And it is loud as fuck in here. We were just noticing that because we're out in the bar area, which is closed off from the show area. And usually, if you're out in the bar, it's not so bad. But it is loud as fuck in here. So, damn. What's everybody looking at? Dan Lake, another contributor to Decibel, just walked in. Ah, okay. Oh, sorry. 00:05:22.020 --> 00:05:23.980 It's not a lot of 00:05:53.480 --> 00:06:21.600 Evokin is coming. Sweet. Here comes Evokin. They were sitting right there. So I said, hey guys, come on over. So we have... So if you've been living under a rock and you don't know Evokin, they are fucking... One of the forefathers of Death Doom, who still probably do it better than anybody else. Here they are. We got Vince here. Say hello, Vince. 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:51.140 Yeah, alcohol is strong. It's making you think weird things. Hello, everybody. Hey there, I'm Dave, bass player for Evokin. How you guys doing today? Sorry about that. This is your first show ever playing Washington, D.C. And you're not that far away. You're in Lindhurst, up by New York City. Which, by the way, I don't know who called me out the other day, but I was like, on Instagram, I took a picture of my kids listening to the Evokin album at dinnertime. 00:06:52.040 --> 00:07:19.700 I said, "Oh yeah, Evokin from Philly." And I was like, I thought I knew... Yeah, so... So, I thought... I knew you guys were from New... No, I knew you guys were from New Jersey, but I thought you were from like... For some reason, I thought you were just like Camden or Cherry Hill or... We're a little bit spread out now. Our guitar player Randy does live in the Trenton area in Ewing. So, you're not too far up. But originally formed North Jersey, like you said, the Lynnhurst area. 00:07:22.140 --> 00:07:51.940 right down the block from Lynnhurst. But we're a little more spread out, but it's more towards the northern side of New Jersey. A couple of us live in New York State, too. But we're always New Jersey born and bred, though. So what has taken you so long to play Washington, D.C., the nation's swamp of political abyss? I would say our keyboard player, Don, because he's not into the certain political situation going on. 00:07:52.040 --> 00:08:21.840 That's probably, it's a boycott. Actually, I'm kidding. Well, Vin can say, join in here. I mean, just say like, Evokin for a long time, we just weren't playing a lot of places live at all. Yeah, we weren't playing a lot. You don't have too many people into this music in the US. Europe, it's a different story, but here, it's picking up. It's better than what it was. There has definitely been an uptick. I mean, I'm a huge Doom guy. 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:29.120 I love it but I've noticed there's a lot more bands out there doing that stuff now. 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.680 Yeah, it's picked up in the past 10 years. I'd say it's picked up. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:50.040 I'd agree like, you know, I've been to the band about 10 years and what Vin is saying, like there were shows we played in 2008, even in the New York area, you know, turnouts were good, not great, but Doom just in general I think became more popular. 00:08:50.360 --> 00:09:18.060 I think things for us were getting a lot better. We played some really big shows decibel. We got to play three shows in the first decibel tour that put us in front of a lot of people in Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York. So I think it's just kind of growing for us. You know, and just as far as our live situation, we probably played more places in Europe than in the United States in general. So. Yeah. 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:48.860 and now we're going some more south. Trying to do Chicago Detroit that area. So it's spreading. If you ever get to the Detroit area check out Temple of Void. They do a pretty good Death Doom. Oh you guys know that? Yeah yeah absolutely. Yeah yeah. They played here last year they played here. Killer killer yeah I like them a lot. I like their style. I would love to play with them sometimes. 00:09:50.340 --> 00:10:20.120 So here at Atlas, when we knew you guys were going to be playing here for the decibel kickoff show, we made something for you. It's called... Was it a greeting card? Yeah. Thanks for playing? Yeah. It was a thank you note. But Schadenbrew, you were the, Dave, you were the master putting together the style, the type, the ABV. 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:50.300 You had a lot of input. Our head brewer Dan Villaruby is the one who made it. Tell us about it. Well, it's a Belgian double at 8%. And I think for Evokin, you need a strong, dark beer that's powerful and as crushing as our music. So to have the opportunity to play here and to have input on a beer that Atlas Brew Works created, for me, was one of the personal highlights. 00:10:55.900 --> 00:10:57.600 I think I just got a boner. 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.540 I already had a boner. 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:11.400 When I looked at the board there and I saw Schadenbrew up there with all the other beers that you guys brew, it was really something special for me. 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.320 So another member just walked up. Please introduce yourself. 00:11:15.860 --> 00:11:17.580 John Parodiso, guitar vocals. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:19.700 I'm sorry, say it again? 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:49.580 John. John, you seem like a young man. Much, much younger than these old guys. How long have you been? Tell us about your role in Evoke. I know you're guitar and vocals, but how'd the whole thing come about? I joined the band in 1994. That was a while ago. Were you like 10? 00:11:49.780 --> 00:12:19.680 No, I was the oldest guy in the band at the time. He looks so young. 24. I'm 49 now. What is your secret? God damn, dude. Trust me, he's still young. So I answered in the paper and the rest was history. They needed a vocalist also and I sang for a couple other death metal bands at the time and I had to slow everything down and tune everything lower and the rest was just 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:28.720 So what aging for men clinic do you go to to make yourself like a... I'm still shocked a little bit. 00:12:28.900 --> 00:12:30.320 Sounds like Will still has a boner. 00:12:32.520 --> 00:12:33.720 I mean he is handsome. 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.280 Well my girlfriend is 36 so that helps a little bit too. 00:12:42.340 --> 00:12:47.240 She was graduating high school when I put the first Evoking record out so that was nice. 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:48.380 At least she was out of high school. 00:12:49.460 --> 00:12:51.040 at least it was legal. 00:12:51.340 --> 00:12:51.780 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.700 So have you guys had a chance, you guys, have you guys been to Washington, D.C. 00:12:57.810 --> 00:12:59.040 before or just haven't played here? 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.460 We've just drove through. 00:13:00.800 --> 00:13:01.300 By action. 00:13:01.420 --> 00:13:02.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:03.400 Pretty fast. 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:09.860 On a ride back from a show in Richmond, Virginia, our keyboard player Don, with Vinny and I in the car, 00:13:10.020 --> 00:13:13.020 almost made a turn into the Pentagon parking lot. 00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:14.480 I did that. 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.860 Luckily, luckily we didn't get shot or anything like that, 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:47.860 or they didn't think we were like ISIS or something like that. So we made it out unscathed to play Doom another day. But yeah, that's our first. We played, I have to say, we played Baltimore a few times. So I know. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I'm really sorry to play there too. But I believe maybe some of the locals from the D.C. area could have possibly seen us at one or two of these shows. So we've been, you know, within an hour's range of D.C. 00:13:48.440 --> 00:14:17.340 Have you guys ever played Maryland Death Fest? Yeah, two times. 2013 and once again last year. Oh, you were there last year. Okay, I didn't go last year. I couldn't make it. It's too bad. It was great. We had a great time. We had a really good set time. That's my soul song. That was 2013. We played Netherlands and we played Baltimore. Back to back. Yeah. 00:14:18.260 --> 00:14:19.100 It's all a blur. 00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:22.520 I've been drinking too much Schadenbrew, so... 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:24.980 Everything's a little foggy right now. 00:14:26.660 --> 00:14:31.760 Alright, well, I know I am personally boned up to go with the boner thing. 00:14:32.280 --> 00:14:36.800 To see your set tonight, for me, it's a personal sort of... 00:14:37.220 --> 00:14:37.780 Bucket list. 00:14:38.160 --> 00:14:39.880 Yeah, kind of a bucket list thing. 00:14:40.220 --> 00:14:40.920 Bucket list. 00:14:41.300 --> 00:14:41.400 Yeah. 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:45.220 And obviously, I'm a fan of all the bands tonight. 00:14:45.320 --> 00:15:15.260 So Albert and I collaborated together to put together the bills so we reached out to you guys and so thanks so so thankful you guys said yes to our little brewery here. It's an honor really seriously it's it feels great to be asked to play shows like this and have a great turnout and be treated like like you guys appreciate what we do. It's beautiful. Yeah we it's weird we've heard that a couple times before and it's alien to me because 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:45.100 because I don't know what I'm doing. I just decided we're going to start putting on heavy metal shows. I'm like, we're just going to give all the money to the bands and we're going to give them free beer and free food. What's so hard about that? It's all we live for. It's cover the gas and it's holes. It's funny. All the bands say the same thing. As long as we have gas money to get the next gig, we're good. I'm like, that's what it comes down to. We all just love to play. We love what we're doing. That's why John and Vinny have been doing this for 25 years. That's why they're still doing it. 00:15:46.500 --> 00:16:13.620 We didn't always have opportunities offered to us like this. So we really appreciate it. You know, we're not we're not jaded. I still feel like a like a kidney store doing something like this. So we love it. That's why we do it. You know, it's passion. That's awesome. Next question. Do you ever run into the guys from Overkill who are like New Jersey legends? They've been around a little bit longer than you guys, but battles long. 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:16.780 But not by much though. 00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:18.140 I got a story for that. 00:16:18.380 --> 00:16:18.480 Yeah. 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.440 First joined the bands is in '92. 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:23.900 We had a rehearsal space. 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:24.740 It was a big warehouse. 00:16:25.580 --> 00:16:26.700 They had their equipment there. 00:16:27.860 --> 00:16:28.820 They were rehearsing there. 00:16:28.880 --> 00:16:29.480 I don't know why. 00:16:30.740 --> 00:16:31.660 Came in one night. 00:16:32.300 --> 00:16:33.300 Half their shit was gone. 00:16:33.420 --> 00:16:34.020 It was stolen. 00:16:34.800 --> 00:16:37.220 And they shut the whole warehouse down for like a month and a half. 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:38.540 They wouldn't let anybody rehearse it. 00:16:39.940 --> 00:16:40.040 Wow. 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:40.800 Checked everybody out. 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:42.080 Because all the equipment is gone. 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:42.880 Stolen. 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.020 What year is this? 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.820 92. 92. 93. 00:16:53.020 --> 00:17:17.060 Wow, there's the Jersey connection with Overkill. Isn't Jungle Rock from New Jersey as well? Chicago. Not yet. Swing and a miss. Jim played with Aeternus. What the fuck is the name of that band? He played in a dune band. Jim, red hair? 00:17:19.660 --> 00:17:45.580 - I'm not sure of the name though. Was it A-turnus? Acturnus. Yeah, I think so. We saw them when we played with them in Chicago. Our first show. Ohio. Ohio. - He says I'm a blur. - Ohio. Ohio. - All right guys, well thank you so much. We'll take up more of your time, but thank you so much. Sorry for the horrible accents. 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.620 Yo, he's from Bayonne. 00:17:50.860 --> 00:17:51.920 I know I got my girlfriend. 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.940 She loves the Jersey action. 00:17:54.140 --> 00:17:55.120 Yo, forget about it. 00:17:56.120 --> 00:17:57.720 We're looking forward to seeing you tonight. 00:17:58.320 --> 00:17:59.500 That is, it's going to be awesome. 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:00.820 We really appreciate it. 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:01.060 Yeah. 00:18:01.560 --> 00:18:03.020 Guys, thank you so much. 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:03.940 Cheers. 00:18:04.660 --> 00:18:05.060 Cheers. 00:18:05.580 --> 00:18:05.680 Cheers. 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:06.260 Cheers. 00:18:06.700 --> 00:18:07.640 We finished the beer. 00:18:08.100 --> 00:18:09.240 Only two of us have beers. 00:18:09.360 --> 00:18:11.020 But anyway, we'll catch up with you guys later. 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:11.460 Thank you. 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:11.600 We've got Coke. 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:12.940 Just soda. 00:18:14.019 --> 00:18:15.140 Coke-a-Cola. 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:16.160 Yes. 00:18:16.820 --> 00:18:17.180 All right. 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:46.380 All right, we will talk to you later. See ya. Hey, this is George. This is Will. And John. And we are joined by Brooks and Steve of Crypt Sermon. Say hello, guys. Hello, I'm Brooks. Yo. That was Steve. And Enrique. Hello. Guys, first and foremost, thank you so much for playing the Decimal Metal Beer Fest kickoff party here at Atlas Brew Fest. 00:18:49.380 --> 00:19:17.140 For me, just to say thank you to you guys to come down, because I'm an enormous fan. And as soon as Albert contacted me, he said, oh, by the way, we're going to have the kickoff party at Atlas. I'm like, I want Crip Sermon to play. Like, literally, it was the first name that I sent back to him. So thank you, guys, from the bottom of my heart. The second thing I got to say is, holy fucking shit. Actually, it should be the first thing I say, holy fucking shit. 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:47.160 the new songs, which is almost all the new songs, except for two that you played tonight. Unbelievable. So I want you guys to talk about the new album. I want you to talk about the new songs. I want you to talk a little bit about if you can drop any hints about the name of the album. Or when it's going to come out. When it's going to come out. Anything. I know some of the name of the songs because I took a picture of your set list. Who wants to go? I'll handle most 00:19:47.200 --> 00:20:17.160 of that information, the new album is going to be called The Ruins of Fading Light. It should be coming out three to five months from now, who knows. And it's a lot of songs about just existential dread. It's a lot of songs about fucking being heavy metal. So I did notice that I think one of the lyrics and one of the songs tonight was something about 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:45.480 Jesus Christ being dead or Christ is dead? There is a song called Christ is Dead. It is about the epoch of Christ's death as the most revolutionary part of our shared experience. And it's very little more than that other than the experience of what that means as anyone who lives in our modern times. 00:20:46.740 --> 00:21:16.700 We use this language to communicate to one another and Christianity and the extensions thereof are a big part of that. So let me ask you because I know there's been times where various groups have labeled you as a Christian metal band which is kind of hysterical in some ways. Was this like a purposeful like I'm going to put a 00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:42.840 a song in this album called "Christ Is Dead" to sort of distance you from? Well, I mean, he is. Well, I mean, did you kind of like, was that on purpose to distance you from that? Or was that just sort of like, it just goes in the vein of Crip Sermon and we're just going to throw it out there? It's not a statement of fact. It's not a statement to distance us from Christianity. I think Christianity is a shared language that we use. 00:21:47.740 --> 00:22:13.260 It's just some language that we are using to paint a bigger picture about our meaning in the shared existence. Alright. Yeah, that clears it up. I mean, sorry, I just thought like maybe that was a statement. 00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:46.320 It's just like we are what we are like interpret the way you want to. It is a statement. Whether or not Christ existed is irrelevant. The epoch of Christ's death is very important to our shared cultural evolution. I always tell my kids that he's a Jewish zombie astronaut. That's fine. I accept that as a definition. Very literal. 00:22:46.740 --> 00:23:16.680 Yes, yes. Enrique. Hey. How's it going? What do you think about the new album? What are you excited about? What direction do you think it's going? How's it compared to Out of the Garden? It sounded a little heavier. I mean, not heavier, but maybe, you know. Heavier? Heavier. Yeah, sure. I think a big thing, aside from the fact that it's been, what, almost five years, 00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:46.700 years. Four years. Yeah, it's like four years since 2015. Sure. We've just, as people, have grown and changed as anyone would, and I think our music kind of reflects that. And the vibe of the new record is decidedly a little bit more heavy metal. It's a little bit more grandiose in its presentation, especially with some of the choruses. You know, it's one of those things where none of us are by trade doomed 00:23:46.940 --> 00:24:16.700 I think anyone who's read an interview from us in the past will know that and because of that we need to come up with new ways to make our music interesting not only for anyone listening but almost more importantly for ourselves if I'm not into that record no one else should be and I think because of that you know we have to kind of find new avenues to keep us entertained with our own music and I think the new songs you'll hear are definitely 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:46.680 a product of that. So there's new ideas, there's some old ideas being reworked in a different way. So I hope everyone's kind of take away from this thing is that it'll sound like a record that you're familiar with but you can't put your finger on it. And that's really what I wanted it to encapsulate and I think it does. Like the songs, maybe you hear them for the first time but they might sound a little familiar too. Brooks mentioned earlier that you guys like scrapped half of the songs that you had and made new songs. 00:24:46.740 --> 00:25:16.700 What made you guys do that? I think that just kind of goes back to what I was saying about keeping ourselves entertained. And with this kind of music, it's very easy to pick apart a pretty lazy riff, a rhythm that doesn't work, a drum fill that is just subpar. So we need it to be as best as it can be. And I think when you have that mentality, you're going to write and rewrite and rewrite again. And I think more than anything, too, it needs to 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:44.940 to just feel good when you're playing it live. It needs to really vibe with you and the band. I feel like these collections of songs definitely do. It certainly felt good to us in the audience tonight. I cannot express how thrilled I was to see you guys tonight. It was one of those rare shows where I get, I mean, I've been to so many fricking shows over the last 30 some odd years and most of the time I'm the guy sitting there with the arms crossed going, uh-huh, uh-huh. 00:25:45.340 --> 00:26:14.000 And I was really getting into it. So kudos to you guys. Yeah, so Steve, I imagine that being one of the lead guitar players in Grip Sermon that you write a lot of the songs. So how did you approach this album? Like, how do you, did you approach it differently from the last album on purpose? Or was just sort of like a natural progression of we're going to be maybe a little bit heavier or like, just like, just talk about the difference between the two albums and what's, what do we, what can we expect from the new one? 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:45.320 So I think a lot of the misconception is that I write the bulk of the material, which actually isn't true. James actually wrote the bulk of this album, but a lot of him, like, just he has a little home studio that he works on by himself. I don't know. The way the dynamic works is typically James and I will, one of us will come up with a song and then we'll sort of kind of 00:26:45.420 --> 00:27:15.320 We'll bounce back with...try to find variety in songs that we don't have. Like, one will write a song and then we realize we have a couple songs like that and then, like, you know, either him or I will bounce back and try to write something that's...just try to inject a little more variety into the sound in songs. Like, I typically, like, my strength in the band when I do any kind of composition is I try to write songs that are a little more 00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:45.000 Live oriented, maybe a little more epic. James, like James is quite frankly, James is a machine. Like he writes music all the time. He's kind of hard to keep up with. So he definitely like wrote his share of this record. But going back, I'm kind of getting, I'm trying to trailing off though. Yeah, no, it was before, 00:27:45.340 --> 00:28:14.880 It was a lot of like, we would get together as a band, but I feel like this time, like the majority, like James and I would write the songs and the bulk of them would be actually like finished when we presented them to the band. Out of the garden, we found our, we were kind of finding our footwork. We were kind of like, we didn't really, it was a new thing for us, so we didn't really know exactly what it was we were doing. 00:28:15.040 --> 00:28:44.860 We were just kind of writing songs and just seeing this sounded good enough. And then we weren't really comfortable with what we were doing. We were still kind of finding our footwork. And I think with this particular record that we all, like, all of us had a much better understanding and clear vision of what we needed to do to make a better record. Can I just say that, so retroactively speaking, I did not pick up Out of the Garden in 2015. I think I got it. 00:28:44.980 --> 00:29:14.960 Like, almost probably two years later when I discovered it. And when I did, I was like, holy crap. Like, this is one of the best traditional doom metal albums ever. Like, going back to Trouble, going back to Black Sabbath. Like, I literally mean that. Like, it was just unbelievable. I still play it all the time. My kids love this album. I have pictures of my kids holding this album, throwing their horns. So, if this was what you were saying, almost like your freshman effort at being uncorrected, 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:35.860 Comfortable of all you guys playing a traditional doom metal album, what we heard tonight, I could just say is like, holy shit, like this is, I think the new album is going to be even better, I think by your own words, and just, I cannot wait. Oh, here he is, the bass player is here. 00:29:36.220 --> 00:29:44.960 I actually have a question. How much have you guys played some of the new songs? Because I've seen a few bands play a set where 00:29:44.980 --> 00:30:13.400 where they go on tour and they're gonna play like half the sets, gonna be all new material. And you're like, I don't really remember much. Tonight, when you guys played, I remember everything. I mean, it stood out. So I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I think I joked to Will, I said, is there any chance this won't be in people's top five? You know, we do our top whatever every year. All the songs were memorable. And a lot of times you go to a show, you hear new material like, eh, I don't really remember what happened. So how much of you guys had a chance to play the new material? 00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:44.940 I know you were saying earlier you haven't played many shows recently that's why I was wondering how much of you actually got out to do I mean we rehearsed a ton for the record obviously we all really went hard on getting our parts down and recording this record but as far as so are we one of the few groups of people have got to hear the new material are we one of the few people tonight that have got to hear the new material live 00:30:44.960 --> 00:31:14.740 Was this a debut of some of these songs? Yeah, it was mostly a debut. I guess so. I must say, not everyone has heard everything that was played tonight. It was kind of a one-off. But I think we played it all right. Yeah, I think so. I think it's going to come through and it's going to be like, you know, you all have a good idea of how it sounds live. 00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:44.420 You know, just listen to the record. Oh, we will. Well, fucking author, you know. So I guess what we're getting at is, did you ever play any of these songs live before or was tonight the first time you played them live? Torchfire, Glare, was the first time we had ever played that song live. It popped your head in that one. There was one song we debuted live tonight. We debuted a couple of songs live at a last minute gig a couple weeks ago in Philadelphia. But yeah. 00:31:44.940 --> 00:32:11.220 But yeah, essentially these songs are so fresh for us playing as a whole band. It's funny, so... A couple... So, our dirty little secret too with Frank is... We were... Everybody in the band is kind of scattered about doing their own personal thing and Frank joined the band. 00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:43.320 He really kind of wrote the bass lines at home by himself. Like he'd had the demos of the songs we'd written. And the poor bastard really, he played the songs. We never played the songs all together as a band. He just kind of went into the recording studio and had to lay down bass lines, the songs he'd never played. And then after we recorded the record, we finally rehearsed as an actual band for the first time. So that was a unique sort of, but he did such a good job. 00:32:43.600 --> 00:33:13.500 So when the album comes out, are you going to take his bass lines and completely lower them to the point where you can't hear them? No. Not at all. Put the kicks up real high. I'm of course referring to the Injustice For All Jason Newstead. No, no. Nothing like that. In fact, I'm happy that our new album actually has a higher bass mix than our last one. Which I feel like didn't really cut through except on the vinyl mix. 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:42.760 of Out of the Garden. I felt like a lot of Out of the Garden, one of the flaws was it lacked a sort of heaviness because there was not enough low-end punching through. It was a lot of just mid-ranging guitars, but it was so long ago. I did notice that I did feel like tonight, I mean, whether it's the live sound or whatever, but it did feel like there was a heaviness to it. A heavier heaviness? Can I say that? Is that weird? 00:33:43.560 --> 00:34:13.520 A little more... Like a times times. Like it wasn't so... Ponderous, perhaps? A lot of that has to do, though, is just we just have a better idea of what we want to do and how we want to sound. Like in Out of the Garden, when we were a band, we were so new. I mean, we were just... I mean, for me personally, and I... 00:34:13.560 --> 00:34:43.520 I didn't know how to play slow back then. So it was like, it was a learning curve for everybody. But this time we have a much clearer vision of how things, we wanted them to sound, how they should sound. And like, we just, we're much more refined and just have a better understanding of what we're actually doing now. Whereas before, we honestly had no idea. Oh, you were figuring it out. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny because you mentioned it the last time when you were on with us, you were like, yeah, I, you know, I was really never a Doom guy. I was more a Death 00:34:43.560 --> 00:35:13.520 I believe and it's seeping out a little bit when in this new stuff you hear that you're trying to go there but you keep it within range and a couple times like I'm loving the fact that this is just a little more pace but not too much pace and so I personally am looking forward to that part of it. I remember when we saw you at the decibel the first decibel metal and beer fest and you were playing and I can't remember what 00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:43.520 but all of a sudden it was just like you went to town. It was definitely like a lot faster and heavier and I was like oh yeah. So is there going to be some more of that maybe with this album? Yeah there will be but I've changed a lot like if you're asking me personally I've changed so much as a guitarist and from now when it went out of the garden 2015 something like that. Like it's there's going to be plenty of 00:35:44.680 --> 00:36:11.260 I play a lot more melodically than I did even back then. It's been a couple years I'm a much more mature guitarist. But really all of us are just much more mature musicians all around. It doesn't just go for me, it goes for everybody. Brooks has grown so much as a vocalist. Like I said, when Brooks recorded Out of the Garden, 00:36:13.580 --> 00:36:43.140 He was still pretty green in the game. And all of us were. So we were all just kind of still feeling out. But I feel like all around us, as far as individual performances, just have a much better lockdown of what we wanted to do and what we didn't want to do. Because when I listen to Out of the Garden, when I hear the guitar, for me personally, 00:36:43.560 --> 00:37:13.200 the guitar player I was in 2015, the guitar player I was even now, I'm just like, I would have done things a little differently now, but it is what it is. But, you know, that's what it's all about, though. You know, you don't stay the same forever. It's funny you say Brooks has grown as a singer because I think he retrograded because I did not see the crucifix around his neck and holding it up. I was waiting for that moment where he takes his crucifix and he holds it up to the crowd. I wanted to see that. 00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:43.520 I can kind of speak to that just a little bit because it really it's just a matter of some of the lyrical themes on this record did change from what the last record was and I feel like we all feel like that kind of presentation wouldn't really be apropos of what the new record is in a lot of ways but in other ways like when we played Philadelphia he did have some sort of like parishioners get up and there's some meaning in that I think I always love saying that with our band especially 00:37:43.560 --> 00:38:09.760 for people who claim that we're Christian or maybe claim that we're not Christian, I don't know. They should just read the lyrics. The devil's always in the details. And that's kind of part of the fun of it, too. I mean, I was being a little, obviously, facetious with that thing, but I did enjoy seeing him do that. And I was like, oh, he's going to do it tonight. Oh, he didn't do it. Oh, man. I was kind of like, oh. 00:38:13.560 --> 00:38:43.260 out. A lot of that was a growth period and just feeling out what we were aesthetically as a band, how to present ourselves live, and just experimenting with different, maybe I guess for lack of a word, theatrics live or whatever, and just trying to nail down the package. This has all been a learning curve for everybody. And I think that we're all finally now at a place where we're a little more confident, we're a little more comfortable. 00:38:43.560 --> 00:39:13.080 and we're a little more grounded. We just kind of know what we're doing a little bit better than we did before even just a couple years ago. I just think also the fact that we haven't revealed the cover art yet, some of that kind of stuff, I think that's going to tie into what our live presentation will be like moving forward. So once we actually do that and start developing some of the ideas that we have, you'll see things changing again. So we'll see. Maybe there will be a cross. I don't know. 00:39:13.120 --> 00:39:42.580 Well, you know, I would just say a blanket statement for all three of us and probably the rest of the guys, the other three guys on our podcast is like, we fucking love you guys. And if you are saying how much more you've matured and how much more I think you guys enjoyed this new album, how much we enjoyed the last album, as you know, we interviewed you before, is that we are all going to be completely blown away by the new album. 00:39:42.700 --> 00:40:12.680 I mean just hearing the new songs tonight was amazing yeah everything tonight and I I went over that I went over these guys I went over Albert from Despo I'm like I literally said like oh my god like this is amazing as you guys are playing like are you hearing this do you hear what I'm hearing like this is amazing so no thanks that's for the bottom my my heart as an enormous fan who loved the last album you know thanks for having us like I appreciate it and we'll let you guys 00:40:13.319 --> 00:40:42.680 I did want to mention before you go I believe in the last issue of decibel I saw a little article on you the metal mothers yeah that was pretty good read yeah yeah no actually the funny thing was that article was printed and streeted the day before her birthday oh no she was she was very happy to see that like land when it did so yeah it was pretty entertaining it was a belated happy birthday to your mother yeah yeah it was funny too because like you know English 00:40:42.720 --> 00:41:11.980 is her second language so there was a little bit of a translation thing she couldn't do it via phone call so it was just funny to see how that came out but she was happy with it so i am too yeah awesome all right well thanks guys and uh we look forward to hearing the new album and uh thank you for talking with us all right we'll talk yeah we'll talk to you later hey this is george this is will and this is john and this is the post-mortem for the decibel 00:41:12.200 --> 00:41:41.960 Metall and Beer Fest kickoff party at Atlas Brew Works on Friday, April 5th. I want to thank Will for getting that set up. That was a great time. Thank you, Will. Yeah, you're welcome. There's many more people to thank besides me, but I'll take a little bit of credit. Well, you certainly had something to do with it. And, you know, I just want to say that I'm really proud of you, man, for what you've done there. I told you this in person on Friday, but I want to get it on the record that you've really done a lot of work. 00:41:42.820 --> 00:42:11.940 for Metal in DC and obviously for Atlas Brew Works in terms of bringing in these shows that's bringing in all these people. You know, from the old Metal Knights to where you are now, you've come a long way. He's all grossed up. He's all grossed up. As I said to you, Will, on Friday, I said, you know, it's come a long way since the shitty sound speakers we listened to at Port City that first time, now to a good, decent sound system. Yeah. I mean, just to talk about that. 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:41.960 that real quick like um there's a lot of crap to go around and obviously it was my idea but i have to say metal chris from dc heavy metal.com it was him who sort of like let's just have a live show and he kind of worked out some him and i worked out logistics of the first live show at atlas and the other two breweries i worked for they didn't want to have live shows and um so chris is like let's just book and in fact genocide pack played atlas last night and they were one of the first bands if not the first band them in gloom and think lord 00:42:42.340 --> 00:43:11.960 were the very first bands to play and it kind of just snowballed from there and people are like hey and it became a thing but um a lot so i definitely credit metal chris for um just sparking the idea and saying let's just do it and then the owner of atlas uh justin cox who is just very hands-off and like just roll with it and even when we've had some setbacks like the fire marshal showing up he hasn't cut it off so i give a lot of credit to him and then of course rachel the taproom manager and the atlas staff who make it all happen because 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:41.780 I can't be at every show. And of course the brewers. Because the brewers have to put up with all the crap. As in, like, we're a brewery first and foremost. And we operate the stage and all the sound system and all that stuff is in the brewery. So we have to break it down between every show. And sometimes things are a little out of place. And as a former brewer there, or brewer emeritus, I should say, it would annoy me when you walk in the morning and you have to clean up from something from the tap room the night before. So the brewers have been absolutely unbelievable. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:44:11.940 and tolerant of it. Now, it helps that all the brewers are metalheads and they show up to some of the shows too. It helps a little bit, but there's a lot of credit to go around. I will take some of the credit because it was my idea and I've been pushing it forward. I've spent a lot of money to get that thing up and running. It's a fun job. To me, it was the culmination of doing what we do is when Albert from Decibel approached me and said, hey, how about we have the kickoff party at Atlas? I just went boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. 00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:41.540 So him and I booked the bands. It was awesome. And what a kickoff party it was. Yeah, it was fun. And even some people. So we had a show last night, which was Perpetuated, which is local DC death band. And then we had Outer Heaven played again, which I love. Those guys are so nice and just bring it every time. And then Ulthar from Jay's hometown, Oakland, California. They were there. 00:44:41.980 --> 00:45:11.700 And then at Genocide Pack Headline. And there was a lot of people who were at the kickoff show Friday night who were also there last night, Saturday night, who just raved about the show. And also, look, I can't forget the promoters, like Hassan from Ripping Headaches, who just it's kind of like an automatic thing. Like when he books a show, it's like it's very minimal effort on our part, except to set up the stage, set up the sound system. But he brings in so many great brands and Tommy from Code Bars Up and Mary from Shadow Woods Festival. 00:45:12.260 --> 00:45:41.740 So there's a lot of bookers that kind of come in and just really it makes it a lot easier with whether now that we're not always self-booking bands. So yeah. But anyway, yeah, the Metal Beer Kickoff show was just fucking great. Yeah, it was. I was packed. I was like, you know, there's as many people in here as I would see at a lot of shows back at Jackson the day. Yeah, that's true. So so you're doing something right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a lot of 00:45:41.780 --> 00:46:10.640 goes to just, you know, the promotion of it and booking good band. You book a good band, people are going to show up. And, you know, we sold that show out. So it was great. Well, it was a killer lineup. Yeah. No doubt. It would have been a little embarrassing if we didn't sell out. Yeah. So let's, let's get to that lineup. First up, we had Ilsa. Now they've played there like a lot of times, haven't they? I would probably say five or six times they've played there. And we actually had when Ilsa was at Thanksgiving. 00:46:11.780 --> 00:46:41.700 Thanksgiving, Ilsa was out in Seattle or Portland. They're out in the northwest and they got all their stuff stolen. So we actually had a benefit show for Ilsa at the brewery where we raised money. That's the show that Inter Arma played and a bunch of other bands that played and raised the money and all the money, 100% all the money went to the band Ilsa. That's awesome. Yeah. And they sounded good. That's the other thing I got to say is, you know, the sound has definitely improved there with that. Presumably that new sound system you bought. 00:46:41.780 --> 00:47:11.740 because everybody sounded great. Yeah, a couple of the small tweaks we made. One, Chris Moore from Chris Moore, who is the drummer of Repulsion, is a friend of mine. Now he's a friend of mine. And anyway, he runs sound there quite a bit, and he's really, really good at running sound. But he's been instrumental in buying our sound system and everything, upgrading everything. And then I've done some incremental upgrades like Tom mics for the drums so we have better drum mics and just stuff like it's like the 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:41.540 things that just makes the whole thing come together. But a lot of kudos to Chris and some of the sound people we have to make it sound good because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm not a sound guy. Well, so what did you think of Ilsa? I thought they were fine. The only issue I said to you was I wasn't so big on the, I don't know if his vocals, they sound like Wyrmwood or whatever that band is, Wyrm to me a little bit. So I just was having a hard time with that. But they sounded great, though. I enjoyed it. Yeah. 00:47:41.760 --> 00:48:09.760 Yeah, so it's Ilsa Doom. So they're kind of like this slower Doom with kind of like a black metal vocals to it. But they're on relapse and they're gaining a lot of popularity. And they're just like the nicest goddamn dudes in the world. That's what I love a lot about our scene. Just filled with just some of the nicest dudes who will do anything for you in a way. It's just great. But yeah, Ilsa played a great set. 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:41.460 I can't really say anything, like definitely nothing negative about it. I mean, it was just, it was just, they bring it every time. Like when you get Ilse, you know what you're going to get. And they played so many times, so they're very familiar to me. The good thing about their set though too, was that they had a lot of people in there. Sometimes some of the early bands don't get many people, if it's not one of the bands where their families all show up. And a lot of people were actually there early. So it was, it was good. There was a good vibe right from the very beginning, I thought. You know, it's a really good point you bring up, John. Exactly. 00:48:41.800 --> 00:49:11.740 because sometimes the early bands are like it's their friends or family or it's packed because all the other bands are watching the second, third, and fourth bands are watching the first band. But yeah, it's a really good point you bring up that there's definitely a ton of people early for that. We knew so many people, all of us for different reasons that were there. There was just a ton of local metalheads. So it's kind of nice. And it was nice the decibel guys came. Like I know it's kind of far. It's not that far. It's like an hour and a half probably for 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:40.740 Albert and James to come out. And we talked to James earlier in the podcast. And then Nick, you hear my doorbell? Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Hold on. All right. Oh, my God. Was Ozzy at your door? Is that how Ozzy makes an entrance? I got one of those doorbell ringers or whatever. It's like wireless. And you can put an MP3 on it. 00:49:41.760 --> 00:50:11.740 It took me a while to find an mp3 that I owned of Iron Man because I have it all in flack now. Thank you guys. You're welcome. But uh yeah my kids wanted my kids wanted Iron Man for the doorbell ringer. That's cool. Parenting done right. Damn right. All right so uh from from there we went to Crypt Sermon and god damn. Oh man. That was that was just amazing. I mean I 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:40.660 I expected it to be. We've all seen them before. But in a smaller room, packed in. That blew Decibel away, in my opinion. Just their energy was outstanding. Yeah. And they played so many good new songs. They only played two old songs. They played Byzantium and the Master's Bouquet. And that was it. And the rest of the set, like six songs, I think. Five or six, yeah. Yeah, five or six. Maybe it was four or five or six. One of them. But anyway. 00:50:40.760 --> 00:51:10.440 It was all new stuff. And man, it was good. And what's great about it is there was a couple of them that already sounded like kind of familiar. Like you're listening to it. And then, you know, because they're kind of the traditional doom metal and, you know, they have choruses and you hear the chorus the first time. The second time it comes around, like you can sing along with it instantly. It's great. It was so, oh man. It was not like usually, usually when a band plays a new song, there's a little bit of like anticipation of like, ooh, something new. But then, 00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:40.380 I don't really know it. That was not the way it was with them. You can get into it right away. I agree. When we were talking with them after the show, I mentioned that sometimes you see new stuff and it's not memorable after they're done. But every song was memorable. Each one that was done was like, wow, I want to hear another new song from the album. It's that good. And I think the new one, it's coming out in June? I thought I said July. 00:51:40.760 --> 00:52:10.240 Maybe July. It's the summer. And they gave us the title, but I don't recall it now. I'll have to go back and listen. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was either Brooks Enrique or Steve. Brooks gave it. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm sure they'll announce that soon enough for everyone to hear. And anybody that's listening has already heard it, so you're going, idiots. Yeah. That is true. So I guess this is getting tacked on at the end of the episode. It is, yeah. Full disclosure, 00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:30.420 It was Friday. It's now Sunday, April 7th. And we're recording this two days after the show. Yeah. So forgive our old brains for not remembering immediately. There was beer involved. Yeah. Quite a bit of beer. Yeah. And good beer. That, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the 00:52:40.780 --> 00:52:45.360 made it for the fest we probably would have made it anyway but like because we're going to the 00:52:45.460 --> 00:52:55.160 decibel fest in philly uh in only what five days five days um yeah dan dan villa ruby the head brewery is like 00:52:55.640 --> 00:53:01.500 let's do something cool and we threw around some ideas but they came up with the uh the low alcohol 00:53:01.690 --> 00:53:08.220 like 5.4 dark lager called tumave which is eastern european style dark lager um it's super smooth super 00:53:09.560 --> 00:53:13.860 It's not these 12% giant boozy beers or anything like that, but man, it's good. 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:15.400 Yeah. 00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:19.500 666, a big batch. That does not include the pilot system. 00:53:20.720 --> 00:53:21.100 Right on. 00:53:22.460 --> 00:53:23.160 It was good. 00:53:23.680 --> 00:53:25.780 It was. And so are all the other beers. 00:53:27.220 --> 00:53:33.340 Now, you sent a picture to us today of a giant stack of Atlas beer. Are you really bringing that? 00:53:33.560 --> 00:53:34.080 Yeah, I am. 00:53:34.680 --> 00:53:34.860 Wow. 00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:37.140 That was like six cases? 00:53:37.780 --> 00:54:07.200 Yeah, I got a case of the District Common, the Ponzi, the Dance of Days, the Blar and Goza, and the Silent Neighbor. So it's five cases. Five. Okay. Damn, dude. Where are you going to keep all that? Well, we have a lot of people, so I mean. I know. That'll probably be gone by lunch, but. Odds are. Lunch on Saturday. Friday. Yeah, Friday. Well, damn. Well, thank you to Atlas for that. Yes, thank you. You can thank me. I had paper. 00:54:07.240 --> 00:54:37.140 for it. Okay. Well, thank you. I assumed that it was, they were giving it away for promotional reasons or because they liked you. Well, they do, but, um, I got a heavy discount, but I, if I can't just walk out with five cases of beer, I would assume that it would have been like a, Hey, we're going, can we take some beer? And they'd be like, yeah, yeah, cool. Take, take a few cases. It was heavily discounted. Let's just say that. All right. It's not like the truck hit a pothole and it fell off and we'll just happen to walk out of the venue at that time. I was not, 00:54:37.300 --> 00:55:06.940 suggesting that. Wow, look at this. Five cases of beer right here. Where did they come from? You can buy me a tea stick. One more up there. How about that? Call it even. I'll give you a t-shirt. Or you can do that. I didn't even get my t-shirt on Friday night. I know. I was like, dude. And then at the end of the night, I was like, ah, he's off doing something. I'll just give it to him next week. John, did you try yours? Yes, I did. How's it? Looks good. All right. I'm ready. Bye. 00:55:07.240 --> 00:55:37.040 I've got all my shirts now ready for the weekend. They're all Metalhead podcast shirts. Yeah, I've already making a list of things and all the gear I got to bring and because we're going to try and record an episode while we're there. In fact, yeah. So anyway, Evoken. Wow. Evoken. First of all, nice guys. Nice. That's what I love about you meet all these people and sometimes you think they're like, oh, they're Metalheads. It's going to be raging assholes. Like, have you ever I don't know. Like, I haven't met a single person who is really like a standoffish asshole. 00:55:37.100 --> 00:55:39.160 Like the Evokin guys are so nice. 00:55:39.870 --> 00:55:39.980 Yeah. 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.300 And if you looked at our Facebook page, you may have seen a picture. 00:55:45.160 --> 00:55:49.500 Shortly after we interviewed them, I bought a shirt from Brooks from Crypt Sermon. 00:55:49.510 --> 00:55:52.460 And I went outside to put it in the trunk of my car. 00:55:53.260 --> 00:55:58.540 And the Evokin guys are standing there on the sidewalk in front of the cemetery, which is right across the street from Atlas. 00:55:58.700 --> 00:55:59.320 How metal is that? 00:56:00.600 --> 00:56:02.420 And like right next to my car. 00:56:03.180 --> 00:56:33.140 And so I'm like awkwardly like angling towards my car to put this shirt in the trunk and they're kind of like eyeing me like we know who this is we just talked to him but why is he coming over here we're trying to take a picture go away you're gonna be one of their promo pictures now going forward and so I like pop the trunk so that they would be like okay that's his car you know he's gonna put us in the trunk everyone run as I threw it in there closed it and ran away but I but then when I got across the street I took a picture because I was just like 00:56:33.180 --> 00:57:03.020 How often do you get to take a picture with a band standing next to your car? Well, for that matter, a band that hardly ever tours. Yeah. And a totally crappy car. So, you know, it's interesting when we and I guess we you'll hear this earlier in the podcast or you heard it earlier in the podcast. It was just interesting how they were saying that that death doom just or funeral doom or death doom just didn't really it's way more popular in Europe. It just didn't really take off that much in the US. 00:57:03.160 --> 00:57:33.020 and that it's kind of hard for them to kind of like get together a tour and book shows and stuff. It was just, you know, it makes sense now the retrospectively because I love funeral dooms. I'm like, what do you mean? Everyone loves it. Oh, no, just a handful of love it. But it was interesting, something I never thought about. Yeah, I'm curious. I wanted to like think about other funeral, at least American funeral doom bands that I know of. And like, do they tour? That's what I was saying. The only one I've seen on any tours last year and a half, two years. 00:57:33.160 --> 00:58:03.140 is Bellwitch. But they're always playing with somebody else that's nothing like Funeral Doom. But they're the only ones I've seen consistently. That's not much. But they're the only ones. Of course, I don't listen to that much Funeral Doom. Just a few bands that I like. So I could be missing them. But I just don't recall ever seeing much come around. I just never noticed that there was a lack of them. I just sort of assumed they were there. My guess is, you know, playing in your 00:58:03.160 --> 00:58:33.140 you get any kind of festival during the summer season and you're going to make pretty good money for that for showing up um so maybe that's why it works out better in europe too from that standpoint yeah certainly get to play in front of bigger crowds if you're doing the fest season that's for sure yeah definitely but hey they sounded great yeah and i loved the small touch that just made it and that was they brought out these two giant cabalabras with candles on there which my first thought was oh shit you know fire open 00:58:37.619 --> 00:59:03.120 I mean, it was fake candles. They were fake light up candles, right guys? Yeah, that's what I meant. They asked permission to do that and I said, yeah, sure, it's fine. But that totally helped set the somber mood of these slow, dirty songs. And what's amazing, not a single one of those fake LED candles went out. 00:59:03.180 --> 00:59:32.780 out during the entire show. Yeah. Like literally the power of electricity. Yes. Yeah. Or batteries. Yeah. Or oxygen fueled. Flammables. Fire. No, but that was kind of cool. Like not a single one. I was looking at it. I was like, because I was thinking like, how are they not blowing out? They don't move. It's slow music. It doesn't create a lot of air movement. 00:59:35.060 --> 01:00:02.580 Yeah, no hair whipping back and forth. Yeah, no one's hair caught on fire. No Michael Jackson incidents. I ate some hair at one point during Crip Sermon. I was just like, oh, come on, dude, really? Yeah, I got my foot stomped during Crip Sermon because that inexplicable pit that broke out. Oh, yeah, that was great. There was a little mosh pit to Crip Sermon. I was like, yes. I didn't even know it had started until I felt pain because some dude just stomped on my foot. 01:00:02.620 --> 01:00:32.460 And I was like, ah, what the? And then all of a sudden, boom. You know, that that only lasts for so long because it's just going to be a matter of time before somebody gets a little too close to that tank. But fortunately, there was a lot of people all around. Yeah. So it was it was self-contained. I think it would always be that way anyway. I have to say, I'm always nervous when Outer Heaven plays because Austin, the lead singer of Outer Heaven, and they play last night. He does not stay on the stage. Yeah. Ever. And you saw that. That's right. And so I have to adjust the lights. 01:00:32.620 --> 01:01:00.360 to make sure that he's on the floor, but he just gets that mosh pit going. And it's funny. Last night, he said, as I asked him, you know, because I had to adjust the lights if he's going to be out on the floor. And he's like, I don't know. My back's kind of fucked up. And within like three seconds of them starting, he's out on the floor. And the only time and then the mosh pits are fucking crazy, but they're a little more contained last night than they were when they played with full hell. But it was, yeah. Moshing is always interesting at Atlas. 01:01:02.620 --> 01:01:31.440 Yeah, I thought everyone was really good about it. I hadn't considered that you have to be worried about equipment other than brewery equipment. That's what I'm worried about. Yeah, because the glycol connects for the fermentation tanks are on the side that if someone gets knocked over and they bump into it too hard and God forbid that thing gets knocked loose, holy shit. That would suck. Yeah, maybe something to consider for the future. Yeah. 01:01:32.180 --> 01:02:01.740 One other thing I wanted to mention was that at some point before right before Evokan, Will came out and grabbed John and I and took us in the back. Let your imagination wander from there. No. And that's how we paid for those five cases of beer. And back back there was DC Metal Chris and Albert and was named Dave. Dave, I think. Yeah. And who was their friend from New York who was a big Evokan fan. 01:02:01.820 --> 01:02:31.760 that followed him down for the show. I feel like there was somebody else that I'm forgetting. There was, but I didn't know his name. Yeah. And anyway, Chris had brought a beer for everybody to try, which was called Black Metal. Yep. Chester King. Yep. Chester King Black Metal. And the Brutal Truth Guide to Extreme Beers, the Bible. Yep. So thanks, Chris. That was tasty. It was. Thank you. Yeah. He had like five bottles of it or something. Like, I forget. He did something. 01:02:31.800 --> 01:03:01.780 I think he's in this like online like trading thing wasn't it I don't know I thought it was like some sort of like mail order like awesome beer club and he got I don't I forget oh wow it was a long night it went by fast though it did yeah it always goes by fast for me because I'm always running around like a thousand miles an hour a lot of times like just we saw you a lot more than we usually do well because part of 01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:29.380 is because it was all set up a lot of ahead of time. And Hassan, when Hassan books shows and he's the promoter of the show, like he runs a lot of it. So he does that. He handles the door and things are a lot easier. It was easier when he does it, which I thank him for. So, yeah, I got to hang out a little bit more. And I also want to see the shows. Like sometimes I'm just like so busy running around that if I book the show, there's, you know, I'm watching the door or whatever. But yeah. 01:03:30.260 --> 01:04:00.160 And it was good to see Blake and Carrie there as well. Yep. Yep. They're coming up to Philly. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. And they actually I forgot that yesterday morning they had Scalder, Carrie's band, the black metal band, like Black and Death is Thrash band. They had band practice at the brewery in the morning. Really? Yesterday morning. Yeah. And and I think Blake was there, too, because Blake's in my CMO. Obviously, we've we've interviewed. 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:29.580 Yeah, they had band practice, but they'll be up in Philly. Blake's usually there, but Carrie's not there as often at night. I get it. If you're there all day brewing and you're slaving away, sometimes you just want to go home, even though there's a great metal show. Yeah. Especially if you've got to be back first thing in the morning. Yeah, exactly. Might as well just set up a cotton bag. Yeah. 01:04:30.260 --> 01:05:00.020 We do have a shower there now. Oh, really? Yeah. In case you guys ever want to get cleaned up before you know you. I just had a fantasy running through my mind. Well, that's actually post being in the back getting cleaned up. No. Yeah. On that note. On that note. So I guess that'll do it for that. Next up in five days is decibel metal and beer fresh proper. 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:29.500 Well, the pre-show first. Well, yes, I consider it part of the whole, because we're in Philly already, and it's in the venue. Yeah, it's the smaller. It's the boundary room, I think it's called. Foundry. Foundry, yeah. It's literally, you know, what's weird is I didn't notice it until the second year that, because I didn't go to the pre-show the first year, but the pre-show is the media, the foundry is the media room. Yeah. I didn't realize that the first year. It's the place you caught George and I the first year. 01:05:29.540 --> 01:05:59.400 You were looking for like a half an hour and you're like, where the hell are those guys? You go upstairs. We're sitting there eating burritos or something. Tribute to Jay, of course. I'll tell you what, though, after standing the whole time, you know, that's a welcome place to be for about five minutes just to sit down. Yeah. I hope there's a burrito truck this year. I hope they have access to it. Yeah. You guys still talking about Jay? Oh, yeah. All access Jay. 01:05:59.540 --> 01:06:29.360 That's his nickname. At least it will be. The one thing I will say as my final thing is that is everyone from the podcast arriving Friday? I believe so. Well, Markisan's actually going to be there Thursday. Oh, he is? Okay. Yeah, he's staying with family. This will be the first time. Well, now that we've included Matt and we've included Markisan, this will be the first time we've all met each other in person. 01:06:29.540 --> 01:06:58.680 And we'll record together in person. Yes. First time since MDF, where everyone was together at one time for everyone that was on the podcast. Yeah. Back in 2016. And all the other people that are going to be there with us, too. It's going to be amazing. Shit show. Like if it's anywhere near as fun as Friday was. 01:06:59.540 --> 01:07:24.800 Or better, it will be historic. Yes, it will be. It'll be fun. It'll be legend. Wait for it. Dairy. Non-dairy. Dairy air. Non-dairy screamer. All right, guys. All right. We'll report back from Philly in a bit. See ya. See ya later. Bye.