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You're listening to the Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Here we are, Chris,

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we are here. Oh, this
is a good day. It is Yes,

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is the day. This is the
day that the Lord has made.

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Okay, yeah, you know that
song. Absolutely, it's a flashback from

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the eighties, and it's the song
we sang in Saint Croix. That's true,

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that's true. It's in my mind. It's in my mind. So

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we went to a church as a
converged partner in Saint Croix just a week

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ago, and on Sunday morning,
he got up and he sang that song

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and I looked over at Chad and
I said, this reminds me of me

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being in the eighties. Ye.
Yeah, Well, hey, today is

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a special day because it's dead Joke
competition day. This is my daughter's favorite

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segment. Okay, well this is
for you. Then I want I want

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to Tory, this is for you. But I want to let you know

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that I go home after I record
these and when I see her, like

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tonight, I'll see her and I
will say Tory, and I'll say,

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we have another Dad Joe competition and
I will pull these out and I'll just

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go through these one by one.
And she likes them. Oh, she

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loves them. Okay, loves them? All right, so you should go

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first. Okay, what's the difference
between a bad joke and a dad joke?

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I don't know the first letter?
Okay. No, I liked that

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one. Okay, So I've cleared
my kash of cookies, but I don't

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see how eating three hundred oreos is
going to make my computer work better.

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Oh that's hilarious. So my cash
of cookies is three hundred oreos. Goodness,

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you don't have to explain it.
Explain not to me anyway. So

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here's funny. All right, here
we go. Ready, my wife told

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me to take the spider out.
Instead of killing him, we went out

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and grabbed dinner. Turns out he's
a nice guy, even a web designer.

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That's ridiculous, you went dinner guy. I like that one. Hey,

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I like my jokes. That's so
rare for jokes, I like.

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Okay, So I don't want to
brag, but I finished a jig jigsaw

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puzzle in a week and it said
two to four years on the box.

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Oh no, that's good. I
like that one. That's really good.

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Here, that's took me a week
to finish a two year old's puzzle?

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Was it like twelve pieces? Right? That's so good? All right?

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Number three Finland has just closed their
borders. No one will be crossing the

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Finish line. Okay, come on, that's three for three for me.

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That's pretty good. I like it. So did you know that my family

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on my mom's side immigrated from Finland
to the US. I did not know

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this. Yes, and so my
whole life I thought I was finished until

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we did one of those twenty three
of me things. Yeah, and it

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turns out while my family had lived
in Finland and they all only spoke Finnish,

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they're all British and Scottish, and
uh, they're all they're all English,

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Scottish and Irish. Wow, isn't
that funny? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah, there's no Finish fish if
you were claiming something that you weren' yeah.

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Yeah. So I'm not genetically finished. But you know, our people

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immigrated from Finland and they had lived
there for generations, so pretty crazy.

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Can you still claim Finnish? I
guess you can't. Well, you can

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say my people came from there.
Yeah, I guess difference. I mean

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they eat dried fish and stuff,
right, right, Okay, so here

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you go. My boss told me
that as a security guard, it's my

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job to watch the office. I'm
on season six, but I'm not really

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sure what that's got to do with
security. My favorite, my favorite one.

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It is so good. I'm not
really sure that security. It's so

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good. Wait into seven, it's
the best. Oh my goodness, Okay,

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here we go. Number four.
A man walks into his home to

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realize that all of his lamps were
stolen. He was delighted, delighted.

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No, that was a wamp.
This one's going to be too that gummet.

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I started a band called Blanket.
It's a cover band. Oh that's

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really bad. That's a rough one. That's a rough one. Okay.

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By the way, we don't we
don't read these until we read this.

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That's right. I've never seen these. I've never seen these, so so

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these are legitimate reactions. Number five. I threw a ball from my dog.

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It's a bit extravagant, I know, but it was his birthday.

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And he looks great in the I
like that one. He looks great in

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a Texio. It's really good.
But he's a good boy. He's a

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good boy. Do you ever put
your cats? You ever put your cats

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in a in a costume? No? Never. So so we have two

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dogs at home, Gucci and we
have two dogs at home, Gucci and

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Chanel. And my wife sometimes will
put costumes on him, like at Halloween,

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and Chanel loves it. She goes
run around. Bonnie put a shark

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on on her and she's running around
showing off for her costume. If we

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put a costume on Gucci, he's
so ashamed. He goes and hides.

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He like hides underneath stuff, or
he goes for some reason. Whenever he's

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scared, he gets in the bathtub. So go get in the Bathtub's so

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funny, all right. I also
have a joke, a dog joke for

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my last one. Why did the
man name his dogs Rolex and time X

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because they're watchdogs? Yeah that's rough, just better. So we have three.

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We had three bummers out of ten. That's pretty good. We had.

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We had we had seven pretty good
ones. Yeah, it's pretty good.

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I'm all teared up. Man,
dude, that that is so funny.

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That is the funny. You go, you go, he's a good

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boy. Up picturing like the whole
ball. It's so good, it's great.

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Okay, all right, it's time
to move on. So we have

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this thing. Jeff loves slogans,
and one of his slogans is we take

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ourselves. We take our faith seriously. We just don't take ourselves too seriously.

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That's correct, And it's a slogan
because it communicates, Hey, we're

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allowed to be goofy, right,
that's right. So every time that we

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are goofy, he's like, hey, there's nothing to do with my faith,

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that's right, right, So don't
well, the joy of the Lord,

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I think, has everything to do
with our faith. Right. We're

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just joyful people. We're not miserable
people. So we can laugh at ourselves.

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We can laugh at ourselves, that's
right. We can laugh at at

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funny things in the world around us. There's a lot of difficult things,

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and we're serious in those difficult moments. But it's okay to laugh if you

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and I don't get to laugh doing
stuff like this, and at church we

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never get to laugh because it's all
we do, right, right. And

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also, to be honest with you, for those people out there who maybe

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don't have laughter in their church,
I'm not saying it's a bad experience,

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because there's all different types of churches
for all different types of people. I

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don't want to disrespect any culture of
a church at all, but I have

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to tell you when you do enter
into a culture in a church where laughing

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is aloud, it's there. There, it's it's it's a I think laughter

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should be a value. Yeah,
I think I think there's purpose, you

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know, not meaningless laughter necessarily right, not not you know, but but

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but but to actually have joy,
purposeful joy and planned laughter in the auditorium

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or in the sanctuary. I think
that that is a good thing to associate

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your faith with joy. Yeah.
And the wisest man in the world besides

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Jesus King, Solomon, had many
things to say about laughter and joy.

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He said, laughter works like a
medicine. That's right, A joyful heart

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will heal you those kinds of things. There, there's it's very healthy for

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you. And people who can't laugh
tend to struggle with a lot of other

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uh uh uh mental issues. Right. So learning to laugh, learning to

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find joy and things can begin to
release you sometimes from the heaviness of the

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rest of life, right, right, It's not saying that the other things

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aren't important. It's saying that you
can get a reprieve from it, you

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can enjoy the good things. Well, sometimes people get the point where they

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can't see any joy in anything,
right, it's because they've taught themselves not

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to find joy and not to laugh. And medicinally right like laughter, actually

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you can you can break down the
actual physical and mental and emotional benefits of

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laughter. They do studies on laughter
and they talk about how how good it

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is for you in every way.
Yeah, yeah, so it laughter long

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term alters the chemical imbalances in your
body. It releases endorphins and all these

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things. People, if you have
a good belly, laugh in the daytime,

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it's good for your heart, it's
good for your your every every system

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in your body. Just about it's
good. So so hey, it's fun,

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listeners, Let's find something to have
joy about, smile about, and

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maybe even laugh about it. Go
back and rewind our dad jokes today.

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There you go. Anyways, So
Jesus appears to these women again, this

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is another thing that if you and
I were trying to make up a religion,

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we would not have Jesus appearing to
women. Well, not in that

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culture, not in that culture in
that day, that's right, Yeah,

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twenty twenty four, it'd be more
feasible, right than the year. Yeah,

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but we're we're talking Peter James and
John guys in that day. Because

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of the way their culture worked,
they would not have had their new God

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appearing to women first. So anyways, here it is in Matthew chapter twenty

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eight. We'll unpack that why we
said that in this a moment. But

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in Matthew chapter twenty eight, verses
nine and ten, it says as they

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went, Jesus met them and greeted
them, and they ran to him,

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grasped his feet and worshiped him.
Then Jesus said to them, don't be

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afraid. Go tell my brothers to
leave for Galilee, and they will see

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me there. In Mark chapter sixteen, verse nine, in the longer ending

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of the Book of Market says,
after Jesus rose from the dead early on

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Sunday morning, the first person who
saw him was Mary Magdalen, the woman

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from whom he had cast out seven
demons. She went to the disciples,

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who were grieving and weeping, and
told them what had happened. But when

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she told them that Jesus was alive
and she had seen him. They didn't

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believe her. Yep. And then
in John chapter twenty, it says Mary

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was standing outside the tomb crying,
and as she wept, she stooped and

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looked in, and she saw two
white robed angels, one sitting on at

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the head and the other at the
foot of the place where the body of

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Jesus had been lying. Dear woman, why are you crying, the angels

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asked her, Because they've taken away
my lord, she replied, and I

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don't know where they've put him.
She turned to leave and saw someone standing

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there. It was Jesus, but
she didn't recognize him. Dear woman,

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why are you crying? Jesus asked
her. Who are you looking for?

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She thought he was a gardener.
Sir, she said, if you've taken

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him away, tell me where you've
put him, and I'll go and get

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him, Mary, Jesus said.
She turned to him and cried out,

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rabboni, which is Hebrew for teacher. Don't cling to me, Jesus said,

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for I haven't yet ascended to the
father. But go find my brothers

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and tell them I'm ascending to my
father and your father to my God.

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And your God. Mary Magdalene found
the disciples and told him I have seen

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the Lord, and then she gave
them his message. So this seems just

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a touch out of place because it
was after this that Peter and John run

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down to the tomb, you know, So as we've been doing a chronological

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maybe we should have done this passage
before the Peter and John running to the

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tomb. But anyways, yeah,
it's still an important portion of the story,

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Yeah, for sure. And yeah, that is interesting, isn't it.

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So are you saying that the book
messed up? I'm saying that the

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Life Applications Study Bible chronological study Bible
is maybe slightly out of order chronologically speaking,

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Yes, in my expert opinion.
Well, yeah, because clearly Peter

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and John running to the tomb happened
after the women came back and told them,

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Yes, because they wouldn't have had
any reason to run down there.

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Yeah, but it is kind of
mixed up a little bit because because because

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Matthew just kind of sums it up
really or Mark sums it up really really

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quick, that's correct. But anyway, needless to say, this is actually

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my favorite part of the resurrection story
really. Yeah, John chapter twenty Verses

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eleven through eighteen in particular, so
you know he Jesus has this personal interaction

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with Mary, and so Jesus is
talking to Mary, but he has not

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yet revealed the fact that he is
Jesus. It says to us in detail

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that she supposes that he's the gardener. Right, so once again we hear

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we have Mary who her first expectation
is, hey, maybe that's Jesus in

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the shadows, right like that,
so that clearly she wasn't looking for the

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resurrected Jesus. But she's crying because
she's she's grieving over the fact that Jesus's

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body is not there. And then
here's Jesus, knowing that she doesn't know

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who he is, and yet very
tenderly he looks at her and interacts with

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her and says, dear woman,
why are you crying? And by the

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way, dear woman was the most
affectionate thing that you could say to somebody.

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So it wouldn't have been uncommon for
somebody to extend an affectionate term to

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somebody who is grieving, especially not
at a tomb. Sure, so it

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could have been a stranger and not
a very close friend, right, yeah,

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right, So like in other words, like you know, oh,

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dear one, you know, if
you're they're there, right, you're you're

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grieving over a loved one. That's
that's common, right. But but dear

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woman is a very affectionate It doesn't
seem like it for us because we say

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woman and you're thinking that's how you
can read it, but that that's that's

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not how it was. Dear woman
is a very affectionate term. And he

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says, why are you crying?
And then and then of course, you

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know, she expresses her pain,
you know. And then he says,

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who are you looking for? You
know? And so Jesus knows it's him.

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He knows that she doesn't know yet, right, and yet he's still

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leading her along the way. And
then and then it says that he says

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her name, excuse me. And
then this is when she realizes it's Jesus,

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and she cries out Rabbini. And
so there's there's such a great sermon

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in there, because Jesus knows us
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Jesus walks with us in our grief. Jesus could have just been like,

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hey, one of my disciples,
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everybody. But he didn't do that. He wanted to meet Mary in her

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grief. He wanted to look her
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and let her know that he was
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Jesus. And so he says,
he calls out her name. And guess

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what. God calls out our name. God knows us by name. God,

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God looks you in the eye and
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hey, here's the answer to your
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with you in your grief. Why
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Who are you looking for? Right? And so Jesus, Jesus isn't an

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unsympathetic god, right, He's the
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knows our name. He's the God
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for me, is my favorite part
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And you know, she was blinded
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lot to us. Right, She's
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moment she couldn't see Jesus. He
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abandoned her. He was there.
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She couldn't understand him, she couldn't
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I think that that's true. Sometimes
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they have a child die, they
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crashing down, and in their grief, they can't see God, they cannot

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find Jesus, and so they feel
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his word that she discovered who he
was. Right, So I always encourage

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people to listen. One when you're
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a decision. Don't make a decision
when your decision maker is broken. Right

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when you get the worst news of
your life, when you get the worst

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circumstances show up in your life,
don't make life altering decisions in that moment,

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pause and wait and listen for God's
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Jesus is always calling you. He's
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discovered who he was, or realized
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in his presence when his word was
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me of the Book of Romans,
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and hearing by the Word of God, right, and so when you don't

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know what else to do, don't
make a big decision. That's fantastic,

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that's good. Don't make a big
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sometimes I'll be honest with you,
I've had really bad times in my life

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when I thought, you know,
I opened the Bible and I just can't

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even find a thing to read.
I just and then I'm looking I'm just

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looking at black letters on white pages, and I and so there have been

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many times where I would go and
I would listen to you know, I

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have a couple of my favorite preachers
I like to listen to, and I

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would just listen to their messages on
the issue I'm going through in the moment,

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and it would be you know,
I listened to a couple of pastors

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that are are very significantly deep Bible
type teachers I love. Well, I'm

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not gonna name them now, I
guess, but and I would go and

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just hear them talk about God's word
in an area or in the circumstance that

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I'm in and be pulled back out
of the dark places I was in when

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I couldn't see Jesus. Right,
there's something to that. So a podcast

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like this can keep keep you in
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in front of you, I think
is an important thing. Having a few

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you know, Okay, let me
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Moody Radio. He's the president of
Moody. I'm glad you said it because

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people would be like, yeah,
I want, yes, yes. So

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I really like Mark Job. He's
a he's a he preaches different than I

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do, right, He's kind of
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like his preaching. I listened to
David Jeremiah. Sometimes I'll listen to a

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couple of others. But for me, it just gets my attention and reminds

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me again. It gots where Rick
Warren has been a mentor to me for

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a long time. So sometimes when
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really lean into what Rick has to
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me. It's great. And then
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it says she cried out to him
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phrase, Jesus says, don't cling
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the Father. But then he gives
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me means it's giving us a visual
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right, or grabbing his garment or
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she is. In other words,
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him. She's wanting to connect with
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but he says, no, no, no, hey, hang on,

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you know, you can touch me
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and everything else. But but for
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with Jesus, because he says,
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and apparently that was a thing,
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the way. Yeah, but there's
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like there's a consecrated thing. There's
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there's the supernatural in the natural,
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that this is a different event that
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the time he was going to go
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the Father. That's what some would
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saying is, don't hang on to
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Holy Spirit m and he's saying,
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right, I'm going to send to
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been talking about the ascension at the
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beginning of the Book of Facts,
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one ascension. What he's saying is
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for a few more days, so
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tomb, which which doesn't make sense
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I got to be honest, That's
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there's a there's another event here.
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was in the Hey, he's got
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So who are you? And this
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is who are you to try to
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that Jesus had to do? Uh? You know there's isn't there a story

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of nobody? Right? So am
I? Yeah? Yeah? So that's

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how dare you? How dare you? Who are any of us? So

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the point is is that, like
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talk about how people sometimes believe that
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yeah, that's in the that's in
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or that one of them. Yeah, so there's theories about that, you

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know, during during the time that
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to go on Friday and right on
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three hours on Friday, that's four
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right, So he's in the tomb
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so the uh and so the point
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to the absent from the body to
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say he could have been, you
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whole bunch of times, right,
like nobody knows. So so you know,

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to say, uh, yeah,
I could logically assume, well that's

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fine. That's just an opinion,
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hey, this I can conclude.
I think that was a lot of

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words to say, yes, there's
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that depends on how you define ascension. And that's what so no,

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I have yet to send to my
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the Book of from from Acts chapter
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of John I mean, Matthew,
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mentions or or the definition of a
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there might have been a whole bunch What

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I'm saying is the Bible only mentions
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I'm saying. But the event of
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he was in the tomb, if
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to be a physical Jesus. Yes. So what I'm saying is the Bible

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only mentions two ascensions or one ascension? Right? So the question in this

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statement is is he talking about one
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thing. And also, as I
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say there was only one ascension and
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me because I'm not going to be
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saying don't touch me because I'm going
to Heaven. Yeah, I get it,

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I get it. I know as
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lot of other words that convoluted what
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thing. This one thing was it
was one or two? Yeah? Right,

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that was it? Or more?
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mentions. What I'm trying to tell
you, you're trying to add things that

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aren't in there. Yeah, there's
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I believe there's more than one.
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believe there's more than one. I
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to his father because he told Mary
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do, right, he has he
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says, I am ascending to my
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your God. Don't touch me.
I'm not yet. And then when he

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appears to disciples in the room later
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she grasped his feet. She'd already
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Chapter twenty eight, verse nine and
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he met them and greeted them,
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so they'd already touched him. So
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Baptist preachers and me included, would
preach the idea that, oh, he

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couldn't be touched by sinful people yet
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and offer the sacrifice on that on
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I wasn't. I wasn't thinking at
all that he was. He was

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untouched. Yea. The because the
very nature of him saying, don't clean

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to me means she was cleaning to
him. Yeah, she's hanging on,

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but he was not wanting to be
great. So the point I was making

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something emotions just say, hey,
I'm not going to be here for a

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long time. Right, there's more, there's more going on, right,

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don't We can't just stand here and
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Go tell my brothers go right,
and that's it, and I'm gonna

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send back to heaven. And the
reality is it could be any one of

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those. Yes, yes, so
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the big picture is she heard his
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word, she turned from grief to
celebration. Oh yeah, right, and

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that that's that's the point of this. And you know, so when you're

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in the middle of grief, you
need to spend time in God's word.

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And sometimes it's hard to read the
word when you're in grief for me,

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but it's it's easy to hear the
word. And by the way, those

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things are interesting and fun to talk
about because we're fun. We're gonna have

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enough time in in eternity because there
will be no time for us to talk

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about, for me to clear these
things up for you. The only one

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assension, all right, we're gonna
go, all right, Well, that's

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our time and we will see you
next time. On the Baba guys,