1 00:00:00,032 --> 00:00:03,272 Unknown: And that's one thing I love about podcasts. It's like 2 00:00:03,272 --> 00:00:08,552 Joe Rogan. He's had, he had, there's a female comedian that 3 00:00:08,552 --> 00:00:13,052 I've really fallen in love with, Whitney Cummings. He had a great 4 00:00:13,052 --> 00:00:17,012 interview with her. Yeah, the only thing I have problem with, 5 00:00:17,012 --> 00:00:19,832 and maybe you can explain this to me, because a lot of his 6 00:00:19,832 --> 00:00:21,620 podcasts are very long. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Long form content is doable. You know, as a Podcast Producer, I 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,420 get asked all the time, how long should it be, and I always say, 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,480 Well, how long can you make a conversation compelling? If you 10 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,660 feel like you're missing conversational exit ramps, you 11 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:39,800 should probably take one of them. Okay with Bill Cuomo, he 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,580 was one of those guys where we could have done a three and a 13 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:43,600 half hours. Yeah, we could have 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:51,880 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,220 goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain. Alright, 16 00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:57,940 buddy rolling. 17 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:02,580 Hey, welcome back into circling the drain. It's the podcast with 18 00:01:02,580 --> 00:01:07,380 John E Bozeman, Johnny B, right here, over there, my buddy. Jay 19 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:08,160 Harper, hey, 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,600 thank you. John, earnest, as we now turn to James, Patrick, Hey, 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,360 John, thank you. Hey, I just forgot how to talk, 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,700 man. Good. Good to see you guys. See, you guys, it's been forever 23 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:26,780 since we have gotten together here. It has been a while, you 24 00:01:26,780 --> 00:01:32,240 know, we're up to 24 episodes, I believe, not counting this one. 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,020 So it has gone by quickly. Yes, it does, you know. And we've 26 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:40,780 only been at this a few months, and hopefully, as we are 27 00:01:40,780 --> 00:01:46,060 recording this, we'll be up to 900 followers on Facebook, maybe 28 00:01:46,060 --> 00:01:52,600 1000 Yep, 1000 is our milestone goal. So I like share, follow 29 00:01:52,660 --> 00:01:54,580 all that stuff on Facebook. 30 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:59,440 And in fact, if we that 1,000th follower, I may get you some 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,560 free jerky, some beef jerky 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,440 and we and some, 33 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:08,040 some T shirts, yeah, swag, some swag, 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,140 some swag for you, even doing a live event. Yeah, we all 1000 of 35 00:02:13,140 --> 00:02:13,320 you 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,420 there. Yeah, we're, we're shooting 37 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:18,360 for that. You know, you mentioned that, and yes, I know 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,580 we've kind of talked about that in the past, and we are working 39 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:29,600 on a live event here that we have plans for. So, yeah, so 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,020 we're gonna, we're gonna keep you posted on that. Yeah, look 41 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:34,940 into live streaming. You may want 42 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:36,260 to post your partners. 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,520 Look into live streaming. 44 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:47,200 Carl Wayne Meekins has agreed to perform. And so anyway, there's 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,960 some stuff going on, very cool. Some stuff, are we gonna have 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:56,080 dancing girls? Well, my wife, she would, she would dance 47 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,480 maybe, hey, that's what we could do, 48 00:02:58,539 --> 00:03:00,959 yeah, get the wives. Did the wives? Yeah, they could. They 49 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:03,539 could be our dancing girls, exactly, yeah. Let's see how 50 00:03:03,539 --> 00:03:04,079 that goes 51 00:03:04,139 --> 00:03:06,359 on. Courtney would love to do that. Yeah. 52 00:03:07,139 --> 00:03:10,319 Glenn would too enough. Jack Daniels in hell, I'd be a 53 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:10,859 dancing girl. 54 00:03:10,859 --> 00:03:14,039 Well, we would, yeah, we could do that. We could dress as 55 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:17,159 girls. Yeah, we could. I mean, it's, it is, you know, it is the 56 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:20,039 sign of the times. Is that? Right? It seems to be speaking 57 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,059 of the sign of the times too. Because, you know, we all are 58 00:03:23,059 --> 00:03:30,739 radio guys in the past, and we now got into podcasting. And do 59 00:03:30,739 --> 00:03:35,779 you guys like do you listen to podcasts others beside ours, or, 60 00:03:36,079 --> 00:03:38,479 and I know you work on a ton of podcasts, I 61 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:41,439 listen to a lot of them as well. Yeah, not because I have to, 62 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:44,739 because it's, you know, being a practitioner of what I do that 63 00:03:44,739 --> 00:03:48,219 we produce podcasts here. It's also listening to see what other 64 00:03:48,219 --> 00:03:51,519 people are doing, you know. And it's like the big thing from a 65 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:56,319 production standpoint, podcasts aren't as highly polished as 66 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,499 radio. No, they're not, you know, but they're still doing 67 00:04:00,099 --> 00:04:01,619 better than radio Yes, 68 00:04:01,620 --> 00:04:08,040 they are so, so, and I think a lot of that is that people enjoy 69 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:14,820 being talked with, talked to, and they and they also, I think 70 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:18,900 there's just something more personable about a podcast over 71 00:04:18,900 --> 00:04:23,120 a radio station, because two podcasts aren't a lot of them 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,720 are not run by these huge corporations, right? So you 73 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,860 don't have somebody beating down on you saying, Jay, you can't 74 00:04:30,860 --> 00:04:32,300 say that next time. 75 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:37,400 Yes, and you're right. I mean, it's more free form. The 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,900 restrictions are not there. The only restrictions are the ones 77 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:44,500 you place on yourself. Of course, you know, we try, you 78 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:48,880 know, I do see podcasts where, you know, they throw the F word 79 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,000 or, I mean, it's sure, you know. And we try not to do that stuff, 80 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,060 not that there were prudes or anything. You know, that's one 81 00:04:55,060 --> 00:04:58,180 thing. I mean, I've got a, you know, a little well, he's almost 82 00:04:58,180 --> 00:05:01,260 four years old. Four year old, grandson. Son that likes to, you 83 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:04,260 know, just because grandpa's on it, you know, he likes to watch 84 00:05:04,260 --> 00:05:08,940 the thing. But, you know, we like to think that it's suitable 85 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:12,300 for all ages. Now, while the subject matter may be over 86 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:16,260 little kids heads, you know, you can have it on as a parent or 87 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:20,280 grandparent with the kids in their grandchildren in the room, 88 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,080 and not feel like you're gonna have to run for the you know, 89 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,900 the mute button, right? So, but Johnny, or excuse me, Jim, when 90 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:32,960 you listen and watch some of these other podcasts, I mean, 91 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,080 have you, have you taken stuff from those and applied them to 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,160 the things that you're doing? 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,420 Yeah, I mean, in my podcast, I've been a lot more casual, 94 00:05:40,420 --> 00:05:43,780 like, as radio guys, we're trained to come out of, like, a 95 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:47,380 bumper. Let's write, you're like, hey, this is what we do. 96 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:51,280 I've adopted the Joe Rogan approach of, like, almost mid 97 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:56,080 sentence, mid thought, you know, very casual going into a 98 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,540 conversation, even though, in my personal podcast, it's a bumper 99 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:03,180 with the music. I'm actually flying the faders while we're 100 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:06,780 going into it right so it's all baked in. And I think that 101 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:09,180 creates that forward momentum. Maybe it's what we should 102 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:11,400 probably do. The same thing here, at some point we can, we 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,780 can do that. But I think ultimately, having those types 104 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:18,660 of elements with that radio touch, but at the same time, 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,940 very the casual aspect of it, you know, just going, like, five 106 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:25,520 of my guest sitting across from me, I'm like, literally going to 107 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,800 be like, so, you know, what do you think about, you know, 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,040 snowshoes, or whatever the topic might be. And it just be a very 109 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,880 kind of awkward, you know, off base, interesting kind of 110 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,360 surprise, Broca, part of the brain moment to just get the 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,760 flow going, you know. And eventually I go, Okay, this is a 112 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,440 mostly Middle Tennessee business podcast. Blah, blah, blah. And, 113 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:46,960 you know, my guest today is so and so and so, you know? And 114 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,620 then we kind of, I form right that way. But I love the real 115 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:53,740 casual flow intro going into things well. 116 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:58,060 And I also love it's like some of our guests we've had on, 117 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:03,660 because I've seen some of these folks on other podcasts, but I 118 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:08,340 would say that a lot of them have just been great stories 119 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:10,620 that they these people have brought out, which is kind of 120 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:13,980 why we call this circling the drain. We don't want these 121 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:17,760 stories to circle the drain and go away forever. Yes, and we've 122 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,620 had so many interesting people, like Deborah Allen, some of the 123 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:25,340 stories she had right about when she was early in Nashville, and, 124 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:29,720 yeah, hanging out at hillbilly central with Waylon and Tom Paul 125 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,880 and Shel Silverstein and all those right. 126 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,580 And Bill Cuomo with his stories, you know. And we do get the 127 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:44,200 comments on social media that people appreciate the fact that 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,460 these stories are being preserved in a way. Yeah, you 129 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:54,580 know that they're, they're being almost cataloged for posterity. 130 00:07:54,580 --> 00:07:59,200 You know, especially a guy like Gary Gentry, who, oh my gosh, 131 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,440 one of the real old school guys. And, you know, we're not above 132 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:07,200 you know, Gary's got so many great stories. We're probably 133 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,060 gonna have him back at some point. 134 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:12,120 Oh yeah, we'll definitely know back. And he's actually, I 135 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,660 watched him on another podcast, and I'll even plug the guy, 136 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,680 Dylan Weldon, I think is the guy's name. He does a lot of 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,720 country music 138 00:08:20,780 --> 00:08:23,360 Yeah, interview, yeah, I'd love to have him. Oh 139 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,180 yeah, I would too. But yeah, Gary was on his and once again, 140 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:33,020 just some great stories. And that's one thing I love about 141 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,540 podcasts. It's like Joe Rogan. He's had, he had, there's a 142 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:42,100 female comedian that I've really fallen in love with Whitney 143 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:46,300 Cummings. He had a great interview with her. Yeah, the 144 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,540 only thing I now I have problem with, and maybe you can explain 145 00:08:49,540 --> 00:08:52,960 this to me, because a lot of his podcasts are very long. 146 00:08:53,020 --> 00:08:56,320 Well, if you think about it, you listen to a morning show. I 147 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,100 mean, back in the days when I was working with my dad, I would 148 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,940 put they would do Replays of The Howard Stern Show, yeah, so I 149 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:05,700 would listen to the replay. And, you know, while you're working, 150 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:07,860 you'd listen to three, you know, three hours, what it would 151 00:09:07,860 --> 00:09:11,280 basically come out to be sure, maybe two and a half of a show 152 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,320 of all the breaks and stuff. Well, yeah, I guess it's two and 153 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,600 a half because he did a four hour show with commercial breaks 154 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:23,480 and stuff. So there is that, the long haul, long form content is 155 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,540 doable. You know, as a Podcast Producer, I get asked all the 156 00:09:26,540 --> 00:09:29,300 time, how long should it be? And I always say, Well, how long can 157 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:31,700 you make a conversation compelling? If you feel like 158 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,180 you're missing conversational exit ramps, you should probably 159 00:09:35,180 --> 00:09:39,320 take one of them. Okay? With Bill Cuomo, he was one of those 160 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,980 guys where we could have done a three and a half hour. Yeah, we 161 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:44,980 could have easily. We had, we were restricted by schedule. 162 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,340 I mean, we were about an hour, almost an hour and 40 minutes 163 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:51,700 with him. Yeah, we were, he wanted to keep going, Yeah, and 164 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:52,540 very well could well 165 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:54,280 we did too. Actually, we were 166 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,480 enjoying it absolutely. But, you know, Joe Rogan talked about the 167 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,160 fact that he does three, you know, three. Hour episodes for a 168 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,700 reason. He says, You can't good you can't do a good conversation 169 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:08,940 in an hour. And that's the way he kind of puts it. He says, 170 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:11,640 You've people have had three hour conversations, and you 171 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,640 could just get into areas and places you get so comfortable, 172 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,140 yeah, the mic disappears, and you get just really good 173 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:25,040 content, well. And I was real shocked and surprised. I think, 174 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,540 I think Joe Rogan was one of the reasons that Donald Trump got 175 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,740 elected this last time. A lot of people said it was more so Elon 176 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:37,580 Musk, but maybe Elon was a little bit behind it. But I 177 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:41,620 think that interview with Joe Rogan did a lot for Donald Trump 178 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:45,940 because I thought, man, I've never seen him be so human with 179 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:51,580 someone. I mean, be be just one on one, and not so over the top, 180 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:54,400 not, not, not posed, yeah, and 181 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:57,279 not doing his Donald Trump Magical Mystery Tour. Yeah, the 182 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,779 bump into the brain, yeah. Well, you know, you think back on the 183 00:11:00,839 --> 00:11:06,179 late night talk shows Bill Clinton, you know, Arsenio 184 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,980 Hall wearing the shade, right? 185 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:16,080 Yeah, made him a regular guy. Oh, you know, real, and he made 186 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:18,360 Bush look like an old folk, yeah? 187 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,640 He did. And plus, he did. He did the same thing with Imus. Yep, 188 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,660 when he was on Imus show it, Bill Clinton just came across 189 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:33,320 cool and like, you know that Bill Clinton had it. You talk 190 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:38,120 about a politician that knew how to work a room. Oh, yeah, Bill 191 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,080 Clinton. I don't care whether you agree with him or not, Bill 192 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:47,020 Clinton was great at being personable. I remember when the 193 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:52,000 night that he was being, you know, at the convention, I 194 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,200 thought it was just brilliant with him walking the streets to 195 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,980 the convention with Hillary, making it look like we're just 196 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:03,180 taking a stroll. Everybody, everybody's shaking his hand. I 197 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:06,780 thought, This dude's gonna be president. He's got it. He's got 198 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:07,320 it in the back. 199 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,740 Same thing with Obama. Yes, he did the same thing. That's the 200 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:14,580 thing is that the Democratic Party has got a corner, the 201 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:18,540 market cornered on the coolness factor when it's time for it, 202 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,020 right? 203 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:23,540 And basically coming across as we're one of you. We're one of 204 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:24,140 the people, 205 00:12:24,140 --> 00:12:27,920 yeah, and that's we will, we will put free soda in the in the 206 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,920 caf, lunch room, cafeteria, absolutely, exactly. Everybody's 207 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,680 gonna get a free lunch. Everybody's getting a free candy 208 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:36,260 at the table every time you go to lunch at school. Like, 209 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:39,740 remember the kids that would run for class president? Sure, yeah, 210 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:40,600 that's what they do? 211 00:12:40,659 --> 00:12:45,459 Oh, yeah. Well, that's what Trump did this last time. I 212 00:12:45,459 --> 00:12:49,839 thought it was great to go into McDonald's and work, also 213 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:53,259 getting in the trash, in the garbage truck. I mean, that kind 214 00:12:53,259 --> 00:12:57,039 of stuff goes a long way, it does, and it will get you 215 00:12:57,039 --> 00:12:57,639 elected. 216 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:04,020 Well, you know, in the podcast world, allows not to be filtered 217 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:10,080 and edited up by mainstream media. And we know that that has 218 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,620 been that's gone on for, you know, as long as mainstream 219 00:13:13,620 --> 00:13:17,820 media has been around. But, you know, heck, Donald Trump sued 220 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:23,300 over it with the Kamala Harris interview that got chopped up. 221 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,340 Oh yeah. And actually, one won a settlement with that. So, so 222 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:31,460 yeah, I mean the podcast world and, well, you know, radio 223 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:34,640 interviews, the live radio interviews, can be unfiltered as 224 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,040 well, sure, but I don't know podcast just has the the kind of 225 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,460 hip factor, and the M thing, where radio is thought, 226 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:48,520 especially in younger generations, to just be this 227 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:55,720 obsolete thing that is not to be given much credence these days. 228 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,780 Well, I think a lot of it is too. It's so corporate, like 229 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:03,000 this room right here. This doesn't come across as 230 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,820 corporate. When you come in this room, it feels like we're in a 231 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:12,480 living room. But, you know, I think, I think that adds to its 232 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,680 charm a little bit, and that's why a guest will become more 233 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:21,620 relaxed and tell stories. I mean, who would ever thought 234 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:24,440 that Bill Cuomo would tell the stories that he did on Barbra 235 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Streisand? No kidding, but you know, that's one thing I and 236 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,600 what was really funny about that I got more people that had 237 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,260 worked with Barbra Streisand in one way or another. You know, 238 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,980 talking to me say, oh, gosh, yes, she was a D, oh, you won't 239 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:45,340 believe it was just funny. How that? But it's because it's so 240 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:49,900 relaxed and you don't have some corporation telling you, oh, you 241 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:53,200 can't talk about that. You can't do this, yeah, you can't do 242 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,100 that. I think that's one big thing that makes podcasts so 243 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:58,180 interesting to people. 244 00:14:58,180 --> 00:15:01,140 Well, Jim, you being the podcast. Asked expert here in 245 00:15:01,140 --> 00:15:09,120 the room now in do you foresee, or do you envision? All right, 246 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:18,360 you get a sponsor. Are you limited by what you can say 247 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:23,240 because of a spot you know, no different than radio in that 248 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,180 respect. I mean, you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. 249 00:15:26,180 --> 00:15:27,200 I have the conversation 250 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,260 with some of my podcast clients that want to go into networks 251 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:33,140 and stuff like that, and I say, well, being that you're of a 252 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,560 you're a podcast that has conviction has stuck a flag in 253 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,620 the soil, and this is what we believe you're going to attract 254 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:45,460 like hearted people to the hive, so to speak. I said, you know, 255 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,820 you can do that organically, on your own. It's just going to 256 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:52,360 take a little bit longer, takes hard work, takes time you can 257 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,740 hit the quote, easy button by getting into a network scenario. 258 00:15:56,980 --> 00:15:59,920 But that again, you know, think of who the networks are. It's I 259 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,760 heart. It's, you know, all the radio conglomerates, pretty 260 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,480 much, big tech, big corporate, who, yeah, it's, I said, Well, 261 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,760 that's the thing. I said, Yes, you will get much bigger 262 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,600 exposure, much quicker. You'll hockey stick. But to what 263 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,380 expense you know? What do you know? Do you just want to put 264 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:19,980 the work and time in? Or do you want it right now and then? Some 265 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:22,700 have someone tell you what you can and cannot say, because that 266 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:26,000 will happen, right? Because what leverage do you have coming to 267 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:26,540 the table? 268 00:16:26,539 --> 00:16:29,779 Your independence is being forfeited, right? Right? 269 00:16:29,779 --> 00:16:33,139 And it's, and it's exactly, you know, it's the question always 270 00:16:33,139 --> 00:16:38,719 comes down, what leverage do you have, and can you sell? It is 271 00:16:38,719 --> 00:16:41,499 the, it's the, that's the the nebulous always 272 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,420 comes on well. 273 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:47,499 And one thing I love about people that are independent, 274 00:16:47,499 --> 00:16:51,099 there's another one. I'm plugging other podcasts here, 275 00:16:51,099 --> 00:16:53,439 but you know, there's one their friend. This guy's a friend of 276 00:16:53,439 --> 00:16:57,519 mine. He's a young gentleman. His name is Taylor Berryman, and 277 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:02,639 he does one called the poptimist. And yeah, they, I've 278 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,919 heard, you know, they, they are a little looser with their 279 00:17:04,919 --> 00:17:09,299 language. I mean, they're young guys, so they cuss. And I don't 280 00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:11,339 know what it is about the younger generation, but they 281 00:17:11,339 --> 00:17:14,999 just love to use the F word. But one thing that I thought was 282 00:17:14,999 --> 00:17:19,319 really kind of cool, but he didn't get to air the episode, 283 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:23,839 but, and I can't remember her name now, I'm drawing a blank, 284 00:17:24,199 --> 00:17:29,479 but he had someone that was that had just moved to the area, 285 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:35,359 Casey Anthony. Anthony, yes, he actually had a this dude had a 286 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:42,279 an interview with Casey Anthony. He got her on his podcast, and 287 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:48,759 she was talking freely, and apparently he was told that he 288 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:57,039 could not air this episode by her lawyers, really, yeah, but I 289 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:03,719 thought, how ballsy of this guy to get her on his podcast and 290 00:18:03,719 --> 00:18:06,899 try to get it out there. But, you know, he couldn't have done 291 00:18:06,899 --> 00:18:10,679 that had he been on a, you know, a big corporate, corporate 292 00:18:11,159 --> 00:18:15,239 sponsored podcast. This was, he's just independent, 293 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,200 sorry, Johnny, it's all right. The has the day come. And maybe 294 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,160 this happens in these, these podcasts that are part of these 295 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,220 networks. I mean, do you get guests to sign releases? Ah, 296 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:28,400 it's 297 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:33,320 probably not a bad idea. On mine, if I have somebody that's 298 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,920 applying to be on my show, I have a form on my website, my 299 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,240 link tree, that basically says, I get it out of the way. I don't 300 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,480 edit anything, okay? And if they sign off on it, they've 301 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,020 expressed an interest to be on I think that's implied permission. 302 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:50,380 I'm not sure legally if that's correct, but if you sitting here 303 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:52,240 and you know you're being recorded and you've said 304 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,680 something, what's your recourse? Yeah, you can, you know that's, 305 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,400 that's a posturing, leverage tactic to get them to sign a 306 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,800 release that, hey, well, once you said it, or you get them 307 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,340 signed ahead of time. Hey, you, you signed it. This is we get to 308 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:10,980 use it because that protects you, because at the end of the 309 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:15,120 day, you're really a lot of lot of podcasters will get into the 310 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,640 well, if we start doing that, then all of a sudden we're not 311 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,840 going to get any guests. No, that's not true. You know, case 312 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,440 in point, Howard Stern, okay, and he became notorious for 313 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,920 asking the questions that people were thinking, and that's what 314 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,760 made him and everybody you know, if a celebrity was to go on, 315 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,640 especially a woman, she knew that she was going to be asked 316 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,280 to take her top off, or, you know, breast size, or who she 317 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,400 had sex with and how much money she makes, okay, especially if 318 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,300 she was an actress that just came with the territory. After a 319 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,120 while, he became notorious for that. If you go on to Howard 320 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:50,020 Stern thinking otherwise, you're a fool. So there are ways to 321 00:19:50,020 --> 00:19:52,360 kind of, you know, yeah, in the beginning you're probably going 322 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,060 to limit your exposure, but you'll get somebody to come on, 323 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,600 you know, especially if you start building an audience. You 324 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,700 know, it's the same thing like. Good. I bring up Gary V Gary 325 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:06,480 Vaynerchuk. He got, he came to prominence through the business 326 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:12,180 world by doing these little wine tasting videos on YouTube. Right 327 00:20:12,180 --> 00:20:16,320 now. He's probably commands an audience, 15 million people. 328 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:19,740 It's he's massive in that that space, yeah, but he's good 329 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:24,560 because he's he shoots from the hip. He's authentic. He he 330 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,440 believes in what he says. He's not going to try and Bs you. 331 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,440 He's one of the highest paid public speakers out there. But 332 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,380 in the beginning, he did these wine tasting videos because his 333 00:20:33,380 --> 00:20:37,160 father had a business, a wine business, in New Jersey, and he 334 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,760 just started marketing what they do, giving real reviews of 335 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,900 wines. And he said, Look, if I get on and I tell you that this 336 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:49,900 wine that tastes like a catcher's mitt was rubbed in the 337 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,020 dirt and thrown some grapes in the middle of it, or something 338 00:20:53,020 --> 00:20:56,500 like that, and it doesn't taste very good, but I'm giving it a 339 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,080 good review for the sake of selling it. What does that do 340 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,340 for my integrity and my reputation, if you all of a 341 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:05,700 sudden come in and take my advice to buy this wine, and you 342 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:10,440 bring it home and it tastes like garbage that that doesn't help 343 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,580 me at all, because all of a sudden it's out there, hey, 344 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:17,940 well, you said, I think the same thing that a lot of people in 345 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:22,820 the Podcast world can basically just double down and be 346 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,980 themselves, if that makes sense. 347 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,260 Does a podcast have to be a 348 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240 video podcast to really, truly be successful these days? 349 00:21:32,239 --> 00:21:34,999 I don't think so. I think I highly recommend it. I don't 350 00:21:34,999 --> 00:21:36,019 know why you wouldn't want 351 00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:40,400 to be Yeah, yeah, but I still know there are many that are not 352 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,020 just audio, and still do quite well. 353 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,540 Well, there's some people that suggest that maybe this one 354 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:50,140 should be because of me, because I have a face for radio. I 355 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:51,040 haven't heard that. 356 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,300 No, no, we've never. 357 00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:59,980 But, yeah, you know, gosh, it's still, you know, I get 358 00:21:59,980 --> 00:22:03,360 introduced. It still happens, right? You get introduced to 359 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,920 people, and they will tell you that joke thing, and everybody, 360 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,500 first one that have ever told you that. 361 00:22:10,499 --> 00:22:15,419 Well, in fact, I think when Phil met George W Bush at some 362 00:22:15,419 --> 00:22:18,539 function, some Republican function, when Phil was 363 00:22:18,539 --> 00:22:21,559 introduced to him, said you're on the radio, sure got a face 364 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:21,979 for it. 365 00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:26,360 Totally see him doing it. 366 00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:33,020 George W Bush, what a character really was now is with, with so 367 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:36,500 many because there's, that's the whole thing about podcasts, Jim, 368 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:43,480 is that you have millions that that debut said, What do you 369 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,680 see? I mean, do you think that it's going to be harder for 370 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,060 podcasts to to basically get into the marketplace? 371 00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:55,240 Yeah, it's funny that you've got enough, you got so much content 372 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,900 being produced today, there's no way that everybody on earth will 373 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,440 be able to consume the content. That's the point where we are 374 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:03,420 that there's so much of it being made 375 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,080 well, and you also have a lot of I'm noticing a lot of Hollywood 376 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:10,380 stars are now getting into 377 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:13,320 podcasting point, because the old model, like we talk about 378 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,260 radio, you look at the model of Hollywood, even that's kind of 379 00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:21,740 circling the drain, because you have a lot of people who believe 380 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:24,500 in the old structure of what, you know, Hollywood actors and 381 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:28,280 actresses are and have this, you know, elevated status in 382 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,400 society. I believe that's starting to crack, because as of 383 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,860 this weekend, as we're recording, there's a YouTube 384 00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:38,060 influencer who put out a movie called Iron Lung, and his name 385 00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:41,440 is Markiplier, huge amongst the kids. My daughter listens to 386 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,340 him. We got get people here who know who he is, guys like us. We 387 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:48,520 were I'm exposed to it because of my kids. I don't go out of my 388 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,740 way. But here's a dude, 36 years old, you know, commands an 389 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:57,760 audience on YouTube of millions just by I think he built them by 390 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,100 playing video games. And he's done a couple other different 391 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:03,780 creative things. He was a film student, and has made his 392 00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:06,420 living, I think, for the better part of a decade being a YouTube 393 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:12,060 influencer. Now, he made a movie that's in the theaters that will 394 00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:17,580 probably be a massive hit. Wow. Okay, talk about, you know how 395 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:21,560 Hollywood is kind of being antiquated. Well, they 396 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,300 are. I think that's one reason. I'm 397 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:24,619 sorry, what was the question? 398 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,240 Did I answer it? You did, but I think, I think yeah, I think 399 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,840 you're right. Because I, if you notice, in this last election, 400 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,400 because usually in elections, you know, celebrities, they did 401 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,200 carry some weight in some former fashion, I think actually, they 402 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,720 hurt the election, but yeah, this time they hurt the 403 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,460 Democrats. Everybody, it's 404 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:48,220 like, look, you're, you're speaking out on issues that 405 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:50,800 affect the common man. No one's buying it anymore. 406 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,260 No, because you're, you're living in a gated community, 407 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:56,020 right? You don't live the kind of life that we do 408 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,720 with our late armed guards, yeah. 409 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:02,280 But on the same. But on the same side of it, as you just pointed 410 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,580 out, I think that's why celebrities have kind of gone 411 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:11,820 down in in the projection, how people project on celebrities is 412 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,780 the fact that you now have, you have celebrities on YouTube, 413 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,300 yeah, you just have everyday people that are now becoming 414 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:22,520 celebrities. I also think that that people being on social 415 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,400 media makes them feel like they're a little bit of 416 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,300 celebrity, because people are following them. People are into 417 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,560 what they're doing. So now stars just seem like, well, they're, 418 00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:35,480 they're on the same level we are. 419 00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:39,020 Yeah, well, if you think about it, I mean, you know, we talk 420 00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:44,980 here to in great detail about how music, radio in particular, 421 00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:50,320 is just kind of dying medium. It's a thing of the past. I 422 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,560 mean, think about the movies in theaters is almost kind of a 423 00:25:56,740 --> 00:26:00,780 they've got a problem. It's a dying, a dying thing is, more 424 00:26:00,780 --> 00:26:05,760 things are, you know, you stream the stuff HBO stuff is being is, 425 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,620 you know, coming right to HBO and Netflix and Amazon Prime, 426 00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:10,980 well, and 427 00:26:10,979 --> 00:26:13,859 you can blame covid for that too, because, a large degree, 428 00:26:13,859 --> 00:26:18,059 because that really changed our habits. We used to go to movie 429 00:26:18,059 --> 00:26:22,339 theaters, and when that happened, we didn't, and we 430 00:26:22,459 --> 00:26:25,579 started streaming, and we thought, well, it's better to 431 00:26:25,579 --> 00:26:26,959 watch at home, right? 432 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,560 And, you know, heck, at my house, we've got the stereo set 433 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,000 up and, you know, the big screen TV and such. But, I mean, people 434 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,140 are so damn rude in movie theaters now, and that's nothing 435 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:39,620 new. 436 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:42,940 But plus, it's expensive as hell to go to a movie. 437 00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:46,060 Yeah, you know, there was a, you know, when Dick Van Dyke turned 438 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:50,800 100 years of age, there were, there was a special documentary 439 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,120 movie that was released in theaters that weekend, at select 440 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,240 theaters. I looked into that. I'm a huge Dick Van Dyke fan. 441 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:04,020 Looked into that. $44 for one ticket. Oh, wow, Lord, to go to 442 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:09,720 that. It's like, No, you know, but eventually, you know, that's 443 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,840 probably going to end up being on Netflix or HBO, or one of 444 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,200 those that you can stream. But yeah, again, going to the movie 445 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,020 theater, as you say, is so darned expensive. People are 446 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:23,420 loud. They're dicking around on their phones, exactly, and, 447 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,040 yeah, you can, you know, at the house, hey, you know 448 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,820 our generation, it's just different. Is, is the 449 00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:36,680 romanticism of a movie theater? Is seeing the good, like the big 450 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,980 movies on in that experience? You know, for example, you see 451 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:43,120 all the Marvel stuff I've got here. You had to go see those 452 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,080 big Avengers movies. 453 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,380 Oh, sure, you had to. Or star you know, Star Wars, yeah, the 454 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:50,080 whole Yeah, not only that, because, I mean, you go back to 455 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,120 even listening to audience reactions of certain moments in 456 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,680 these movies, I wish it makes you want to cleanse your memory 457 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,000 and watch it again for the first time without any memory of it. 458 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,620 You know when Cap wields Thor's hammer Mjolnir for the first 459 00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:11,340 time, and like that plot line, that little nuance, was set up 460 00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:14,940 multiple probably five years before, like, everybody knew he 461 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,760 could lift it, but he didn't, and he did. He wanted to save 462 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,880 Thor's ego. Yeah, you know. But everybody knew, like, kind of 463 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,180 moved, you know, he could, can he lift that? And then all of a 464 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,600 sudden he, he calls it, and it comes to him. And it's a big 465 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,520 moment in the movie. You see all everybody in the movie erupted. 466 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,540 The whole audience, yeah, it was so cool. It was so because, 467 00:28:38,540 --> 00:28:41,560 like, yeah, you're just, like, you are so into it, and all of a 468 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,520 sudden, you know? And even they cut the thorn, he's like, I knew 469 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,140 it. All those little moments are great in a movie, yeah, the 470 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,120 shared experience, right? 471 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,220 Well, in fact, one of my best was actually television nights 472 00:28:57,220 --> 00:29:01,200 of all movies, because when I went to the theater, it was 473 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,760 packed, and you could tell it was all, you know, NASCAR fans, 474 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,780 yep. And when it came to the scene, there's a scene in there 475 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:15,120 where Ricky Bobby and the French, the French driver, they 476 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:22,280 they kiss, and you can hear the whole theater just go, I'll 477 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,920 never forget that. I laughed so hard. 478 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,700 I was telling this story this morning. We were talking about 479 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,100 movie, because one of the people that works here was talking 480 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,680 about the Markiplier movie coming out, and I said, What's 481 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,780 funny is the fact that your generation doesn't care about it 482 00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:42,040 being in a movie. It's more important to Markiplier because 483 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,700 he's 36 he's still like in the fringes of the generation that 484 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760 well, I'd love to see myself up on the big silver screen. That 485 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,460 would become, that's a little bucket list item I can check 486 00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:55,300 off. Yeah, but the, you know, 20s, 20 year olds and lower they 487 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,000 couldn't care less. Oh no, they couldn't. I'll just watch it on 488 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,960 my phone. Oh yeah, they're happy with that. It, yeah, you know, 489 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,540 yeah, they don't have to see it in IMAX. But it brought up the 490 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:07,020 story again, another Marvel movie, the last Spider Man 491 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:10,320 movie, was far from who was no way home, and there was all the 492 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:17,160 speculation going on around, are the previous Spider Man variants 493 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:19,440 gonna make an appearance, the Tobey Maguire and Andrew 494 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Garfield, because they had, you know, back at oh two, Tobey 495 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,740 Maguire had the first, like, the first big live action movie in a 496 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:31,460 while, was the Spider Man movie with him, yeah. And then they 497 00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:34,640 redid it, they rebooted it with Andrew Garfield, The Amazing 498 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,160 Spider Man. And then they brought Tom Holland into the 499 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,020 Avengers world. They didn't tell the story of how he got in, 500 00:30:41,020 --> 00:30:44,380 because it's pretty much okay. We all know it by now. But he 501 00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:48,400 never had the consequence of an uncle or aunt or somebody in a 502 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,740 parental figure telling him, hey, with great power comes 503 00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:53,980 great God. With great power comes great responsibility, 504 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,480 right? And in those moments, you know, they had all these things, 505 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,100 like Aunt May dies in the movie, and she tells him that line of 506 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,680 consequence right before she dies. And of course, that was 507 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,520 the time I had to go to the bathroom. Yes, so I had to get 508 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160 up. And I was like, I made it this far, good. We've got a 509 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800 little bit of a moment. Yeah, it looks like we've got it. We're 510 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,260 kind of lulling into something. Let me just go quick, go to the 511 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:18,840 bathroom and come back. Yeah, I missed the big moment in the 512 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,060 frickin movie, and that's, and that's the damn moment when 513 00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:24,380 pause that sucker in the 514 00:31:24,739 --> 00:31:26,719 house. You can pause it, 515 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:30,920 but I mean again, that big moment, you could hear the 516 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,560 entire theater go, yeah. I'm like, hurry up. What just 517 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,440 happened? Yeah. And I come back and my wife like this, my wife, 518 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,340 she's like, I look up and it's like Andrew Garfield and Tommy 519 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:45,160 McCarthy characters. I'm like, You got I missed that moment? 520 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,220 Really? Holy moly, 521 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:50,920 see, I always did that too. Always had to go to the restroom 522 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320 at the most crucial time of the 523 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,400 movie, an opportune time. Yes, well, you can remember going to 524 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,100 see Jaws when I was a kid out in the theater. And, you know, the 525 00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:05,400 last time, this past time, no, no, didn't. But, you know, we, 526 00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:10,020 my wife and I, she is a huge fan of the movie Titanic, you know, 527 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:14,880 with the camera, yeah. And hey, I enjoy it too. I know a lot of 528 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,420 people, a lot of people, poo poo that movie. 529 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,340 But I liked, yeah, 530 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,580 watched it recently, yeah, 531 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:26,120 and we went and saw that in the theater. Oh, yeah, we've 532 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200 actually gone back and seen it in the theater twice, yep, once 533 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,540 they did the RE release in 3d Yeah, in the 3d was a very good 534 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:39,800 gimmick, yeah. But we went anyway, you know, just, just to 535 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640 go, just have the experience. But I remember seeing the movie 536 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,180 Jaws, when, you know, the guy's head pops, you know, the head 537 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,220 pops, Oh, yeah. And you know, the whole theater 538 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,880 dude that still got me, yeah, I saw it 539 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:55,360 in the theater. It still got me, still. I remember going to see 540 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,940 the exorcist when it was out, and the effect it had. I mean, 541 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:05,820 it was that was a scary movie at the time. 542 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:09,720 Yeah, I've watched it again here in the last couple of years. It 543 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,100 comes across campy. 544 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,420 Yeah, it does. It's not the same, yeah, because I remember 545 00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,980 it seemed like any loud noise, because I, after I went to see 546 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:24,620 it in the theater, I went to a restaurant, and somebody laid on 547 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:29,000 the horn outside. When they did, I jumped about 50 feet, and the 548 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,660 waitress goes, Are you okay? And I said, I just saw the exorcist. 549 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:39,620 She goes, oh, say no more. Yeah, that that is something that is 550 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:43,120 going to be missed, is the experience, because that's what 551 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,060 made the movies magical. There's experience. Was the experience 552 00:33:46,060 --> 00:33:47,440 with all the other people, right? 553 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,860 Nicole. Nicole Kidman tells you every single time, yeah, you 554 00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:51,040 know, 555 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,480 yeah, the ad and but, I 556 00:33:55,479 --> 00:33:59,439 mean, a lot of you know it's, it's just amazing to me that, 557 00:33:59,439 --> 00:34:01,859 you know, getting back to the podcasting and podcasters. The 558 00:34:01,859 --> 00:34:06,539 new media is just changing the world. It is. And I guess, to 559 00:34:06,539 --> 00:34:09,899 answer your question, with so many 1000s of podcasters, and 560 00:34:09,899 --> 00:34:14,339 podcasts out there are millions, millions, it's still not, you 561 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,200 know, and that's, in fact, that's one thing I told Jay when 562 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,340 we first started doing this one because he said, Hey, did you 563 00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:25,100 know he texted me? He said, Did you know there's a couple of 564 00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:29,780 others that are titled the same? And I said, Yeah, I was totally 565 00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:33,440 aware. But I said, but they're not us. Yeah, right. That's the 566 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,980 way I looked 567 00:34:33,979 --> 00:34:38,419 at yeah and, and I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah. Again, I 568 00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:41,259 was just making you aware in case you weren't, and I should, 569 00:34:41,259 --> 00:34:42,939 oh, sure. I should have known you were. 570 00:34:43,179 --> 00:34:45,819 Oh, no, that's all right, because it, you know, when we 571 00:34:45,819 --> 00:34:49,239 did title it, I really didn't think there'd be another one, 572 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,839 but there was a lot of them, but that's, you know, that's neither 573 00:34:52,839 --> 00:34:53,739 here nor there. 574 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:59,199 But it does seem that the really successful podcast do have, you 575 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,759 know, specific. Specific niche, yeah, you know, I mean, it's not 576 00:35:02,759 --> 00:35:06,419 just wide open, you know, one day, you know, we're talking 577 00:35:06,419 --> 00:35:10,799 about, you know, fixing cars. And then the next time we're 578 00:35:10,919 --> 00:35:14,279 talking about, you know, different time types of popcorn, 579 00:35:14,459 --> 00:35:18,779 right? It, you know, we're usually, you know, kind of in 580 00:35:18,779 --> 00:35:20,219 our little lane here. 581 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,500 Well, we're all about a lot of it is Nashville centric. I mean, 582 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,680 it's about true, it's about entertainment, it's about music, 583 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,960 it's about radio, television. 584 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,619 I have friends and family, you know, all over the country, 585 00:35:33,619 --> 00:35:36,499 literally, and they're intrigued. They enjoy hearing 586 00:35:36,499 --> 00:35:37,939 the Nashville stuff. Yeah. 587 00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:42,040 Well, Nashville is always and this is one thing that you know 588 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,000 a lot of people that aren't from Nashville or don't really get 589 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,500 Nashville. Well, Mayor Bredesen was one. He never understood 590 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,320 that Nashville was already on the map. That was the whole 591 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,000 reason he brought the Titans, or what was the Oilers then, to 592 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,920 Nashville. He kept saying, I'm gonna put Nashville on the map. 593 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,460 Well, dude, I hate to inform you, but Nashville has always 594 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,020 been on the map. I remember going to the Bahamas, and 595 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,600 anytime I was asked where we were from, and I said, 596 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,260 Nashville, it was wild. What would come out of people's 597 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:22,040 mountain Conway 20? Yeah, that's us, yeah. But it's worldwide. 598 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:22,760 Nashville has 599 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,940 always, you know, Nashville, yeah, you're right. I mean, it's 600 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:30,140 always had that, you know, the people certainly are, Nashville 601 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:33,260 has always been on the map. But in the minds of so many people, 602 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:35,000 though it was hee haw and, 603 00:36:35,179 --> 00:36:38,119 well, they looked at it as hillbilly, yeah? And it's really 604 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:38,479 not, you 605 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,020 know, Tennessee. Ernie Ford on the old, I love 606 00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:45,040 Lucy's right, with his suspenders, where he 607 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,640 played overalls, yeah, from Fort Tennessee, 608 00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:52,000 yeah, in the, you know, and outside of Nashville, yeah, 609 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,020 there's some hillbilly places, but, but Nashville itself is, 610 00:36:56,020 --> 00:37:00,160 is, oh, it's not just a country music town. It's a music 611 00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:04,919 it's a cosmopolitan city. It really is. People don't realize, 612 00:37:04,919 --> 00:37:08,699 and that has certainly been an evolution in the last 40 some 613 00:37:08,699 --> 00:37:16,619 odd years, sure. And I think you do have to credit you credit you 614 00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:19,439 credit the arrival of the Nashville Predators. You know, 615 00:37:19,439 --> 00:37:23,119 they were the first major sports team. And I know a lot of people 616 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,039 rolled their eyes, you know, the NHL coming to Hee Haw Nashville, 617 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,779 right? But that really did open the eyes, I think, of a lot of 618 00:37:32,779 --> 00:37:35,839 people that it has been, for the most part, a very successful 619 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:40,099 franchise. Then, of course, the Oilers slash Titans coming to 620 00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:45,099 town. You've got a lot of businesses that have, you know, 621 00:37:45,099 --> 00:37:49,299 they got tired of Atlanta, you know, because, you know, have 622 00:37:49,299 --> 00:37:52,299 come here and have turned us into Atlanta. 623 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:55,900 Well, you also have a lot ways, yeah, you have a lot of 624 00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:59,620 businesses from LA that have, sure, sure, and you really, you 625 00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:04,380 know, you mentioned the Titans and the predators. We also have 626 00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:10,020 to credit a show that I absolutely hated Nashville, a 627 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:14,700 TV show. Oh yeah, it did after Nashville. 628 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:19,440 After that series ran, a lot of people moved here for that very 629 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,100 reason. 630 00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:23,119 I have never seen that. My wife watched 631 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,960 it. It makes us look really, really good, yeah, yeah. 632 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,680 My wife said it was, it was really laughable. Now it was 633 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:37,880 911, Nashville, that's out there. Now, I watched, I think 634 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,820 maybe two episodes of that, only because I auditioned, I do some 635 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,460 acting too. Anyway, I auditioned for some part. 636 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,040 There's something about you we don't know. 637 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:54,460 Well, yes, I've got an age I've got two agencies 638 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:59,500 do some acting for us right now to be or 639 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,939 but, yeah, I they Yeah, the parts called for somebody, and 640 00:39:05,939 --> 00:39:09,239 what did they want? They wanted somebody that was really 641 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:15,059 seriously, seriously I was supposed to I auditioned for the 642 00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:19,859 role of one of the dispatchers who and they wanted him to talk 643 00:39:19,859 --> 00:39:25,099 is mealy mouth southern as they could get right. That's what the 644 00:39:25,099 --> 00:39:29,479 Park called for. I seen that ambulance come back, 645 00:39:30,020 --> 00:39:30,920 Twister coming 646 00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:39,739 down on demon brewing. Yeah, but yeah. So, you know, naturally. 647 00:39:39,739 --> 00:39:42,399 But anyway, I was kind of curious, so I watched the watch 648 00:39:42,399 --> 00:39:46,479 the show, and it is just embarrassingly bad. And I don't 649 00:39:46,479 --> 00:39:52,239 know if they are intending it to be campy, and is it like a dark 650 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,319 kind of black comedy? Maybe, maybe it is. I don't know. It 651 00:39:56,319 --> 00:40:01,439 was awful. There was a cane, cane, but. Cute. Leanne rhymes. 652 00:40:01,439 --> 00:40:06,599 Come on, man, be real. If the casting folks see this, 653 00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:09,419 probably, yeah. I think it kind of blew Yeah, you're never gonna 654 00:40:09,419 --> 00:40:12,599 get a part on this way. But yeah, Leanne rhymes is in it 655 00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:16,499 and, well, they're there. That tells me she's, she's what? 656 00:40:16,739 --> 00:40:20,419 She's in her 40s. Oh yeah, but she is, but she plays much 657 00:40:20,419 --> 00:40:26,959 older. She plays the mother of a guy that looks like he's 30 in 658 00:40:28,099 --> 00:40:29,779 the show. 659 00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:34,579 She had him young. We have him at 12. 660 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,780 Mayonnaise sandwich going to town. 661 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,240 Loretta land, you idle so you start spitting them out when you 662 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,480 about 12 years old. That's right, have about six of them 663 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,520 before you're 20. Kane Brown was was in this episode. But anyway, 664 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:51,880 it was 665 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,220 just getting back to the dash, because I know it was one of our 666 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:56,500 topics to talk about. Yes, it was. We could, we could tease it 667 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:58,960 and delve into it. But the funny thing is that that stuck out 668 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,280 about that show was how, hey, we're just gonna go out onto the 669 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,880 pedestrian, pedestrian bridge and, you know, just wistfully 670 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,700 look off in the distance, even though I'm an A list celebrity, 671 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,000 yes, amongst all the throngs of tourists. And I just need to 672 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,820 have some time to myself on the on the pedestrian bridge, and 673 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,220 then we're gonna have a little like, you know, high level 674 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:20,180 meeting on, you know, some sort of song that we're right. Hey, 675 00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:22,100 let's go to tootsies and grab a drink. 676 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,660 Doesn't happen that way. Does not happen. 677 00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:31,100 You're not gonna find, you know, Trisha Yearwood hanging out at a 678 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:34,760 tootsies having herself a drink. No, maybe it could happen. It 679 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,980 might. Or when the girl that was her nemesis, she goes up on top. 680 00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:42,880 And, you know, yeah, Hayden, I always wanted to stand on this, 681 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:46,720 the opry stage, and she's at the the Ryman, and, you know, I'm 682 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,720 gonna stand in the circle there, just so happens to be a 683 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:54,340 spotlight at the ready. I'm gonna write that in there. 684 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,060 I've got a great story that the girl, Hayden, I can't predatory, 685 00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:03,060 yeah, that's it. She apparently went to a bar here in Nashville, 686 00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:10,860 and a friend of my son's was bartending, and he said, I'll be 687 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,620 right with you. And was waiting on some other people. She said, 688 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:21,020 Don't you know who I am? And he said, Yes, ma'am. He said, I'm 689 00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:23,960 aware of you. And he went back to these other people. She goes, 690 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,700 have you ever watched the series Nashville? And I can't believe 691 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,680 this kid goes, Yes, I have. And I think it sucks. He said, I'll 692 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,160 be right with you. But he said after that, she was nice. She 693 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,440 goes, fine, yeah. It humbled 694 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,740 her a little bit. Well, I thought you were going to say 695 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:44,500 with, you know, the line about, don't you know who I am. I 696 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:47,200 figured you would be saying, why don't you know who you are? 697 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,439 Well, into there was one time they were shooting Nashville, 698 00:42:53,439 --> 00:42:57,819 and the radio station, they used our radio station quite a bit, 699 00:42:57,879 --> 00:43:01,439 right for the filming in there. And so they were taking up the 700 00:43:01,439 --> 00:43:04,319 entire I couldn't even get to my headphones. I had to borrow some 701 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:09,179 headphones because I couldn't go to my own locker. But anyway, it 702 00:43:09,179 --> 00:43:13,079 was a break in the show, so I went to get a Dr Pepper out of 703 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:18,419 the snack room. I don't know who the actress was, so I don't want 704 00:43:18,419 --> 00:43:22,039 to bust anybody, but there was an actress from the show in 705 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:26,299 there, and there were some other guys around her. I was just 706 00:43:26,299 --> 00:43:30,259 being nice. I came in and I said, Hey, how you guys doing? 707 00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:34,039 And went for my drink. As I'm waiting on my drink, I hear her 708 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:42,279 say under her breath, what a what a goob. And I went, Wow, 709 00:43:43,179 --> 00:43:44,259 yeah, 710 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,339 what a goob, yeah, what a B, I T Yeah, 711 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,680 that could have said, what an overpaid, talentless act. Oh, 712 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:53,920 sorry, 713 00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:58,300 even if you're overpaid, yeah, I think it was her first big 714 00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:01,140 break. Was you the Australian one or something. It may have 715 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:01,440 been 716 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,700 her, I'm not real sure who. I know. It wasn't Hayden. Her 717 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:06,720 wasn't any of the 718 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,980 Yeah, when I worked at an agency on Music Row, we were on 63 719 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:17,940 music square east, which was right next door to CSAC at the 720 00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:23,600 time, and they had used the exterior of our building in a 721 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,920 fit. Was a Peter Bogdanovich movie. Oh, wow. And he was 722 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,100 actually out in the, you know, in the parking lot directed. All 723 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:35,420 they did was they just shot exteriors right, using our our 724 00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:38,540 building. There it was, you know, it's one of the old, re 725 00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:42,460 imagined houses. That's what Music Row used to be. Yes, it 726 00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:45,640 was before they put all these ugly buildings in there. But, 727 00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:50,260 but Reese Witherspoon was the actress that would kept going, 728 00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:52,780 you know, they were getting shots of her going in and out of 729 00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:57,940 the of our office. Wow. And it was before, you know, anybody 730 00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:00,900 knew who the heck Reese Witherspoon was? Was and she's 731 00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:05,280 from this area. Yeah, so, but, oh gosh, cute. Is a button, you 732 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,540 know? Oh yeah, I was 733 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,000 back when she was known as Reese without her spoon. 734 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,100 Sorry, I'm a big 735 00:45:18,659 --> 00:45:20,339 who fan. Anyway, 736 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,200 that's the gym. He's so proud of himself, 737 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,300 but it does, it kind of gets me play that again. 738 00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaking of television shows, that's that's a nod to CSI, yes, 739 00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,160 he would always do the sunglasses and say something 740 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,460 witty. 741 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,860 Oh yeah. David Caruso, yeah. 742 00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:44,560 Oh gosh, you know, and he was such a dork in in the Rambo 743 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,480 movie, that's right, I 744 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,380 understand a dork into life, the dork Sheriff, yeah, well, they 745 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:54,160 say deputy rather. I don't know if you guys ever saw the TV show 746 00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:00,300 Supernatural, but they, they did a take off where they just, they 747 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:06,000 were imitating him. I mean, they were just lampooning him to 748 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,500 death, like this is where I overact. And he thought he was 749 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:18,300 going to be a big movie star. He left what show was NYPD. That's 750 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,380 why he left there, because he was going to be a movie star 751 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:25,460 that didn't pan that didn't quite pan out. You're destined 752 00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:29,360 for television. Pal. Yes, you are. Sometimes these things 753 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,340 don't really pan out. 754 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,680 So Mr. Wolf, who's in the anyway? Yeah, 755 00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:48,580 yeah, I used to love that show, CSI Miami. They had the girl on 756 00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:52,240 there. That was, I watched a movie with her recently. It was 757 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:58,300 a documentary. She She, she was being, basically some guy was 758 00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:02,940 just hounding her to death. He was stalking her. She was real 759 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:06,840 good. She, I can't remember her name, but she was beautiful. On 760 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,100 there. She was one of the people in the lab. She always did the 761 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:11,700 lab work. 762 00:47:11,759 --> 00:47:16,019 Okay, yeah, oh gosh, I'm trying to you. Got me thinking, 763 00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:19,200 Yeah, I wish I could remember her name, but she was really 764 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,220 pretty, yeah. 765 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:25,580 So poor at network TV shows and knowing the shows and the 766 00:47:25,580 --> 00:47:28,400 characters, I just don't watch network TV. 767 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680 It's like watching Law and Order. It's like, it's Law and 768 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,180 Order is like a rite of passage for an actor, you know, my wife, 769 00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:38,180 yeah, watch that end to end and, you know, it's like, yeah, 770 00:47:38,179 --> 00:47:41,679 I mean, the old, you know, I used to binge on the law and 771 00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:45,939 order, you know, the Law and Order SVU, some fine 772 00:47:45,939 --> 00:47:49,359 performances in there. I remember the episodes that Robin 773 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:54,519 Williams was in. Oh, wow, for the SVU, Law and Order SVU. And, 774 00:47:54,819 --> 00:47:57,999 you know, he played this real creepy guy. You know, Robin 775 00:47:57,999 --> 00:48:04,619 Williams was so brilliant. But the but Law and Order SVU 776 00:48:04,619 --> 00:48:09,359 started to get real preachy to me, yeah, and I just, I just 777 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,899 lost interest as far as, like, whatever political wind was 778 00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:17,039 leaning that years, yeah, they would just get real, yeah, real 779 00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,319 preachy about stuff. And frankly, to me, what was really 780 00:48:21,379 --> 00:48:24,379 one of the attractive things about that show was the 781 00:48:24,379 --> 00:48:30,199 relationship between the Mariska target targeting and Chris 782 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,399 Maloney, you know, the the dynamic between those two, you 783 00:48:34,399 --> 00:48:37,279 know, it was that that really made that show. And then when he 784 00:48:37,279 --> 00:48:41,319 left, I know he's back now, but anyway, when he laughs, I kind 785 00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:44,619 of lost interest in the in the show, but I didn't, but I don't 786 00:48:44,619 --> 00:48:50,319 watch network TV, and, you know, I like, I say, I do? I do radio 787 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:53,799 for some other, other stations and stuff. And, yeah, I've got 788 00:48:53,859 --> 00:48:58,119 the prep services and stuff that I kind of look over just to kind 789 00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,259 of see what's going on. I don't use much of the content. But one 790 00:49:01,259 --> 00:49:05,339 of the things is, is they list the birthdays, you know, and the 791 00:49:05,579 --> 00:49:08,339 and I look at that and I'm like, Who the hell are these people, 792 00:49:08,999 --> 00:49:14,039 you know, I don't know. And it'll say, you know, Marty 793 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:17,819 Smarty from the SO and SO show. And I don't know who Marty is, 794 00:49:17,819 --> 00:49:21,079 and I don't know who the show is. And I, you know, I guess I 795 00:49:21,439 --> 00:49:24,739 Johnny, I've graduated to the Get off my lawn generation. You 796 00:49:24,739 --> 00:49:27,739 have, you know, it's well, you need to get there's one show you 797 00:49:27,739 --> 00:49:33,799 need to get into is land man. Oh, land man is phenomenal. I We 798 00:49:33,979 --> 00:49:37,819 Mark Cawley, yeah, I know one of our own great he does a great 799 00:49:37,819 --> 00:49:40,839 job. He does he's a great actor. Yeah, I have been meaning to get 800 00:49:40,839 --> 00:49:44,379 into that you're right. You know, I have wiring good. You 801 00:49:44,379 --> 00:49:48,759 know, my wife, she was a huge fan of shits Creek. And you 802 00:49:48,759 --> 00:49:56,559 know, we'll binge that. We did watch the Dexter. Yes, Dexter 803 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,119 was excellent. And so you know that. But to me, though. So 804 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,039 those aren't network TV. 805 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,100 No, they're not. They're a little more that's, that's like, 806 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:06,420 HBO, yeah. 807 00:50:07,619 --> 00:50:11,459 Netflix series and things you know, these mini series that are 808 00:50:11,459 --> 00:50:17,999 ongoing. We do watch some of those, but, but you know the 809 00:50:17,999 --> 00:50:23,119 stupid sitcoms on CBS where, you know, the neighborhood, yeah, 810 00:50:23,179 --> 00:50:27,859 the dad's an idiot and the smart ass kids and all that, you know, 811 00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:31,039 it's just no interest, no interest so 812 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,300 that your wife liked what? 813 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,580 Which one is. It was called, well, she was the one who said 814 00:50:37,580 --> 00:50:40,480 that was she was really into it. Well, something 815 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,340 Creek, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm trying to keep it clean. Okay, 816 00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:45,940 gotcha 817 00:50:47,139 --> 00:50:48,339 way too much of a setup. 818 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,160 Eugene Levy and his son, who was, you know, who's really 819 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:54,700 funny, 820 00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,400 this very girl was funny, the girl that played the daughter, 821 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,980 yes, oh, she was, she's hysterical. 822 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,600 And I've seen, you know, and, of course, I've seen her on, like, 823 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,360 the Today Show and stuff. Yes, you know, you know what I love 824 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,480 about totally opposite from her character. She does a great job 825 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,000 on that show. What I love about that show is the fact that you 826 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,120 still have the relationship that Eugene Levy and Catherine 827 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,720 O'Hara, yeah, they've been acting together. Yeah, from 828 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,060 Canadian Yeah, from the second city. Second City Yeah, 829 00:51:23,659 --> 00:51:26,059 because, you know, he got his big start. And she was on, you 830 00:51:26,059 --> 00:51:30,139 know, he was in splash and couple other different movies. 831 00:51:30,139 --> 00:51:33,199 She was in Beetlejuice when it came out. Yes, she was Yeah. And 832 00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:36,139 then they started doing all the Christopher Guest mockumentaries 833 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:36,859 that they were 834 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,920 always in those man, I love those Dustin show 835 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,440 Best in Show waiting for Guffman. Yes, did you watch the 836 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,520 new Spinal Tap? 837 00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:49,899 Yeah, I haven't seen it. I did. Yeah, yeah, that was bad, yeah, 838 00:51:49,899 --> 00:51:50,079 it 839 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,340 was okay. Yeah. I've heard mixed. You know, love him or 840 00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:54,520 hate 841 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,600 him. It made me miss 842 00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,939 Rob Ryan. Yeah, I know what you mean. 843 00:51:57,940 --> 00:52:02,100 Yeah, Rob Reiner could be an ass, but what a talented ass. 844 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:06,540 Yeah? I mean, the dude made some great movies. He was great at 845 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:07,620 his craft, yeah? 846 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,319 Well, you know, you would like to think he should have been. I 847 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,099 mean, good grief, the man grew up with Carl Reiner for crying 848 00:52:14,099 --> 00:52:18,299 out. Oh yeah, he did, yeah. So certainly learning from one of 849 00:52:18,299 --> 00:52:19,319 the masters. What are you 850 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,520 listening to? Podcast Why is there? Jenny, oh, gosh, 851 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,979 you know, I can't even, I can't even name them. It's just kind 852 00:52:27,979 --> 00:52:33,439 of sporadic things that I'll stumble across and listen to. I 853 00:52:33,439 --> 00:52:39,619 tend to listen to sports related things, right? I'm not a book 854 00:52:39,619 --> 00:52:44,799 reader. Never have been but when, well, I the books that I 855 00:52:44,799 --> 00:52:50,139 have read tend to be autobiographical. Yes, you know, 856 00:52:50,139 --> 00:52:53,979 historical figures years ago, but a lot of sports figures, you 857 00:52:53,979 --> 00:52:57,639 know, they're reading the Muhammad Ali autobiography, 858 00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:02,639 which I loved. He really let his guard down, and was real in that 859 00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:07,919 the same with Ted, you know, Ted Williams would read his 860 00:53:07,919 --> 00:53:11,819 autobiography. Was called My turn at bat, you know, yeah, 861 00:53:12,299 --> 00:53:16,439 but, but anyway, getting back to the podcast, yeah, I just kind 862 00:53:16,439 --> 00:53:20,099 of stumbled across sports related stuff, right? And will 863 00:53:20,099 --> 00:53:23,719 listen to, to those kind of things. I think Jim Gray has one 864 00:53:24,739 --> 00:53:28,579 that I have have listened to from time to time. So that's the 865 00:53:28,579 --> 00:53:32,239 kind of stuff that I'll stumble across. I don't make it. It's 866 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,799 not, it's not appointment podcasting. For me, you can 867 00:53:36,799 --> 00:53:40,099 listen anytime. Yeah, you know, it's not like, oh gosh, the new 868 00:53:40,099 --> 00:53:45,159 ones out this week. I gotta tune it in, even though that's what 869 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,759 we want folks to do with ours, 5am Central time every 870 00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:51,219 Wednesday. Yeah, it should be 871 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:53,980 required. What about you? Mr. Johnny B 872 00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:58,239 I'm kind of like Jay. I kind of, I really have gotten into the 873 00:53:58,299 --> 00:54:03,719 Dylan Weldon podcast. I really like it. I also like the 874 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:09,599 poptimist and any trunk, every now and then. I like, I like to, 875 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,559 we had him on Rich's show, did you really? Yeah? I like, I like 876 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,259 some of the stuff he does. He's a cool dude. Radio games, like 877 00:54:16,259 --> 00:54:20,839 it, yeah? And of course, Joe Rogan. I like when Joe has 878 00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:25,159 somebody interesting on, I really love, like, I said, it 879 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:27,559 goes a little long for me, because I can't just sit there 880 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,919 for, yeah, you know, three hours 881 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,160 to basically a lot of this, like, because a lot of people 882 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,340 talk about social media, but I think there's an evolution, 883 00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:39,920 evolutionary shift happening right now. Actually, Gary V 884 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,300 talks about it. It's going more from more less, from social more 885 00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:46,780 into an interest media. And if you want to be a podcaster, to 886 00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:49,720 you your point, one of you said it was more niche based. Yeah, 887 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,900 interest based is where it really is. So I mean, I listen 888 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:57,340 to I listen to my podcast, I listen to our podcast, I listen 889 00:54:57,340 --> 00:55:00,720 mainly to mine, just to be a practitioner of. I preach in 890 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,240 terms of you should be listening. If you're producing a 891 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,180 podcast, you should be listening to every episode. That's how you 892 00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:09,120 get better. It should be air checking, or have someone air 893 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,700 check for you, you know. And why people ask, what's an air check? 894 00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:15,000 I said, Okay, back in radio, yeah. The most terrifying thing 895 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,460 when you come into your shift the next day and your program 896 00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:20,280 director be like, Hey, let's do an air check session. Oh, God, 897 00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:21,020 bring your plus. 898 00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:24,680 You're gonna listen to yourself. Oh man, that's brutal. That is 899 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,040 brutal. 900 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,440 But you know a lot of people, well, I don't want to listen to 901 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,260 myself. Well, if you don't listen to you, why would you 902 00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:34,220 expect other people to exactly what I say? So I'll listen to 903 00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:37,640 like bus for inspiration, business stuff like that. The 904 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,320 real Brad Lee podcast, dropping bombs. He's got a great one. And 905 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,100 again, he's a guy I got to know because of production elements, 906 00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:47,800 because a lot of these things you'd hear the production was 907 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,520 just not there, you know, from a radio perspective, or the 908 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,940 imaging production I did in all my years. I got to know these 909 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:58,180 guys by offering, Hey, you said you got something good going on 910 00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:01,800 here. What if it sounded like this? And I would do a spec, and 911 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,440 that's how I'd get to know some of these bigger personalities. 912 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,720 Listen to Gary V A drummers. Podcast, the office. Ladies, the 913 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,840 ladies from the show. TV show, the office. Yeah. Massive 914 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,580 podcast, wow. That show has such a fan base. Couple of Bitcoin 915 00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:20,840 podcasts, course. Joe Rogan, Patrick, bet. David, you ever 916 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,100 hear of him? I am not. Oh, he's like the new political, you 917 00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:29,600 know, business, economic commentator. He's huge, huge. 918 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,120 That's the thing is, like, all these, like, tremendous amounts 919 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,080 of talent that would otherwise need the gatekeeper to give them 920 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,800 permission. Don't need it anymore, exactly. Well, it's all 921 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,260 meritocracy based now one. 922 00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:44,560 There's also an artist that has a podcast. I really like it, 923 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:49,360 Jack Ingram. He was not a huge right star, but he's got, it's 924 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,620 called jacking around, which I love the name of it, but he does 925 00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:56,740 great interviews with other artists. And, yeah, that's a 926 00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:57,700 good podcast. 927 00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:01,140 Well, I am. I'm part of a new podcast that, you know, we 928 00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:07,740 talked about niche that is about red fishing, wow, and it's 929 00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:12,240 called set, setting the hook. Nice and like it. I came up with 930 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:15,960 that name. Thank you. Well very but yes, I work, you know, with 931 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,020 my my company, the game time Sports Network. We've been live 932 00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:24,020 streaming fishing tournaments in South Carolina, red fishing 933 00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:27,380 tournaments in South Carolina. We're there for the weigh ins 934 00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:30,680 and the awards ceremonies and stuff. And those have been very 935 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,840 popular. And the guy, one of the guys that runs that, is a 936 00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:40,420 charter captain that has been doing this for 30 years. You 937 00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:44,560 know, charter captain for fishing on the Carolina coast. 938 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,560 So he and I have been with put together a podcast, and it's a 939 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,940 niche about fishing. And in fact, I was there in Charleston 940 00:57:54,940 --> 00:58:01,020 here a couple of weeks ago, and we did a number of episodes. And 941 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:07,380 so anyway, you know, and I have seen other podcasts that are 942 00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:12,480 strictly about fishing. One is about fly fishing. Yeah, that's 943 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,760 all it's about. It's interesting. It's interest 944 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,960 based, it's fly fishing. It's all about in this guy has 945 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,520 hundreds of 1000s of you know, you figure, Are there that many 946 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,520 folks that fly? But well, yeah, there are. Yes, there are. And 947 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,440 you know, his sponsor opportunities are these lodges 948 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,580 and stuff in Montana, then these resorts and whatnot that had 949 00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:39,920 latched on to you can build an audience his podcast. So anyway, 950 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,540 yeah, but you're right, Jim. I mean, there's, there's a new 951 00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:46,960 podcast every day that's debuting. There is, but 952 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,560 the chances of them lasting, yeah, that's the other thing I 953 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,160 see as a Podcast Producer, you know, onboarding a lot of 954 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,880 different podcasts, okay? When they realize it's actual work 955 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,780 for us, it's not work. This is what we do, right? This is just 956 00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:03,120 what this is what comes naturally to us as radio guys. 957 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,640 That's what we did every day, was produce content. But when 958 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,740 you have somebody who's a business owner and, well, I'm an 959 00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:10,260 insurance guy, I don't want to brand myself. Well, what do you 960 00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:12,540 know? I had this conversation last week? Well, what, what am I 961 00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:15,000 gonna talk about? I wanna have business podcasts similar to 962 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,760 what you're talking about with local business owners. Terrific. 963 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,320 You could totally do that. Yeah, a lot of people are. I said, 964 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,840 Well, what do you really like to talk about? And he's an old rock 965 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,080 guy and stuff like that. So we talked about, you know, just 966 00:59:27,140 --> 00:59:30,920 maybe a music podcast or whatever, or, you know, niching 967 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,340 even further into that. What can you really have that 968 00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:38,660 differentiates the podcast and taps into something that no 969 00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:41,620 one's ever really done, you know, and especially in a music 970 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:43,960 podcast. So we talked a little bit about that. He's like, you 971 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,080 know, how do I promote my insurance business? Like, dude, 972 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,860 it's powered by your insurance basically, you know, I had 973 00:59:50,860 --> 00:59:54,040 another guy. It's another insurance guy. He's like, but I 974 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,980 tell how, you know, put up, do a podcast about insurance. I said 975 00:59:56,980 --> 01:00:00,120 not, unless you want to put people to sleep or, you know. Or 976 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,460 if you're attracting other agents, you know, who's your 977 01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:05,880 audience, right? I said, but what do you like talking about? 978 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,920 It's like, I'm huge on, you know, talking about high school 979 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,100 basketball. Oh, hey, bing, bing, bing, bing, interesting. What 980 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:15,300 else goes bow hunting? I'm like, there you go. Can you sell 981 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:22,160 insurance nationwide? And can you make it apropos to the bow 982 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,800 hunter, to hunters. Are there insurance products that you 983 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,740 could talk about that makes sense to that demographic? Yeah, 984 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,800 yeah. I'm like, well, there's your answer. You know. You love 985 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,060 bow hunting. Talk about it, you know. And that's fun. It has a 986 01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:38,180 massive reach. It's got, I would think it's got potential, you 987 01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:40,360 know. So that's my take off. 988 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,600 Yeah. I mean, their entire magazines directed toward both. 989 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,240 Oh, yeah, so sure. 990 01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,419 Why not? There's magazines on everything. And if I were in 991 01:00:49,419 --> 01:00:53,079 radio today, I would seriously be thinking about getting into 992 01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:53,919 podcasting. 993 01:00:54,699 --> 01:00:57,579 That's the thing. Is that in the digital media space, with radio 994 01:00:57,579 --> 01:01:01,019 people being let go, left and right, what do I always say? 995 01:01:01,139 --> 01:01:03,839 Just because the industry thinks that you're not worth anything 996 01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:06,839 doesn't mean you're worthless exactly. You have a lot to 997 01:01:06,839 --> 01:01:10,439 offer, especially the digital media space, because it needs 998 01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,819 like, especially people that are morning show people. Oh, yeah, 999 01:01:14,819 --> 01:01:17,159 every day you got to come up. That's something that's 1000 01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:20,899 entertaining to an audience. Yeah, what you know is in value, 1001 01:01:20,899 --> 01:01:24,859 I would love to have, like, a morning show consultant to help 1002 01:01:24,859 --> 01:01:27,919 me with some ideas, because I was never part of a morning 1003 01:01:27,919 --> 01:01:30,559 show. I know of the boot camps and stuff like that, right, but 1004 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,679 I have no idea. You know, do they even do still do morning 1005 01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:35,659 show boot camp? I don't think they do. 1006 01:01:36,139 --> 01:01:37,759 Would be shocked if they did. No. 1007 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,240 In fact, I don't even know if they have any morning show 1008 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:46,600 meetings like they used to. I think they might at at WTN, 1009 01:01:46,659 --> 01:01:50,559 I, you know, I'm certainly not a part of any meetings over there, 1010 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,459 but I do know that they, the talent does indeed meet with the 1011 01:01:54,459 --> 01:01:57,699 program director there from good, regularly scheduled 1012 01:01:57,699 --> 01:01:58,959 meetings of some sort. 1013 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,420 That is good, yeah, because it does help some meetings do. Some 1014 01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:07,440 meetings weren't productive and well, some I love to watch Phil 1015 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,760 Valentine with those folks. 1016 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,700 Well, he knew what was working. He did. 1017 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:18,300 Well, Phil was the kind of guy. In fact, I had lunch one day 1018 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,580 with several people in radio and Brian Sargent, who used to be 1019 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:28,640 our program director, our Assistant Program Director, you 1020 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,840 know, he said, I finally learned later on that Phil is the kind 1021 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,500 of guy that just let him go, yeah, because he knew what he 1022 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:42,760 was doing, he he did not Need to be micromanaged. Now, as far as 1023 01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:46,780 you know, giving him ideas, yeah, but don't try to tell him 1024 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,700 what to do, because the guy knows he knows radio and he 1025 01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:55,720 knows his audience, and he had a track record, yeah, yes, yeah, 1026 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,300 he did. I mean, he just, you know, book after book, the guy 1027 01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,560 was successful, and he knew what he was doing, and he knew his 1028 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,680 audience, right? And that's what you that. That's the key. Even 1029 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,660 to this, you got to know your audience. Ours is ours is really 1030 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,220 ours is wild, because it's varied. I can't believe, I mean, 1031 01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:19,080 I'll get stuff from kids that are, you know, I say kids are in 1032 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,480 their 20s, but and then I'll get guys that are about our age. I 1033 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,360 mean, I get it's, it seems like we're hitting a lot of 1034 01:03:26,659 --> 01:03:31,399 different agreed, you know. And one of the things about securing 1035 01:03:31,399 --> 01:03:36,019 sponsorship and advertising, no matter the medium, is knowing 1036 01:03:36,019 --> 01:03:41,559 your audience Exactly. And I admit, I'm still kind of 1037 01:03:42,339 --> 01:03:47,559 wondering who is our audience, because, at least, you know, 1038 01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,799 trying to define it specifically, because it does 1039 01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:54,579 appear to be so broad. You know, we just recently had the lovely 1040 01:03:54,579 --> 01:04:00,179 Brenda golden as a guest here a couple of weeks back. And, you 1041 01:04:00,179 --> 01:04:03,839 know, we found out how many women listen to and watch the 1042 01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:07,379 podcast Now, granted, many of them, I'm sure, checked it out 1043 01:04:07,379 --> 01:04:10,439 because of Brenda, right? They're fans of her friends, 1044 01:04:10,439 --> 01:04:14,579 etc. But, you know, it was heartwarming to see so many 1045 01:04:14,579 --> 01:04:19,079 nice, positive comments from from the ladies, you know, and 1046 01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:22,459 we've had a number of, we do appear to have a number of 1047 01:04:22,459 --> 01:04:27,199 women, viewers, listeners, prior to that episode that make that 1048 01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:29,479 have made themselves known. But Well, 1049 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,540 that's all you Jay, because, yeah? Because you know you're 1050 01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:35,960 the sixth symbol of the I was gonna say it was the hair. Yeah? 1051 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:36,440 I think it 1052 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,240 was too Yeah, or the lack thereof. 1053 01:04:40,580 --> 01:04:44,440 I've got a little hair, but I do have the big old, glaring bald 1054 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:44,680 spot. 1055 01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,399 No man, I got one of those too. No, I was expecting to hear the 1056 01:04:48,459 --> 01:04:49,299 WHO there. 1057 01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,599 By the way, Keith Richards is my barber. I. 1058 01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:02,999 Yeah, you got a great head of hair. Yeah, 1059 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,240 gee thanks, gentlemen. 1060 01:05:08,099 --> 01:05:09,779 That's what's drawn in all the ladies, 1061 01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:14,099 you'll be able to get out that door with that head that big. 1062 01:05:14,699 --> 01:05:18,659 Probably not you're with who I didn't know you were on that 1063 01:05:18,659 --> 01:05:22,999 show. I googled you, I Googled you, and I couldn't believe it, 1064 01:05:22,999 --> 01:05:25,819 you actually came up on the first page. People actually like 1065 01:05:25,819 --> 01:05:28,759 you. I wasn't aware, my God, 1066 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,699 maybe that's one of our church now, have you Googled me? 1067 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,140 Yeah, I didn't know people liked you. 1068 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:42,339 That's actually not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. Little 1069 01:05:42,339 --> 01:05:43,839 quotes that we've heard about ourselves. 1070 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,140 Yes, you know, and that could be a whole nother show. What? What 1071 01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:49,840 general manager said about Apple logo on the front 1072 01:05:52,420 --> 01:05:56,080 and a quote on the back, dash question mark. 1073 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,180 That's not a bad idea. All right, we're killing we're 1074 01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:06,900 killing me, almost killing Johnny B takes 1075 01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:11,159 a hell of a man to face that cancer. Let me tell you. Anyway, 1076 01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:15,900 we've enjoyed this today. We're talking about podcasts, and then 1077 01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:18,300 we just went down all kinds of roads. Yeah, we have been 1078 01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:21,920 circling the drain. We circle in the drain. But we mean that we 1079 01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:25,760 just, you know, people don't get the gist of the title. We don't 1080 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,120 want these stories to circle the drain and you not hear these 1081 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,380 great stories forgotten, yeah, to totally be forgotten. And you 1082 01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:36,500 always want to know where to find us, Jay. Tell them 1083 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:40,300 how they Well, the best place is the website circling the 1084 01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:44,980 drain.net and of course, you can find us. If you want to watch us 1085 01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:48,520 and look at us. You can do that, as I mentioned on the website, 1086 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,300 also Spotify video. We're there, we're on Facebook, we're on 1087 01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:56,260 YouTube, we're on X from a video standpoint. And then, of course, 1088 01:06:56,260 --> 01:06:59,860 all of the audio platforms that can be found on Apple podcasts 1089 01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:06,480 and, gosh, Amazon, music and so forth. So, yeah, we we are 1090 01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:09,720 trying to get to be everywhere. Johnny B, yes, we are. 1091 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,720 We want people to know who we are. And you know, like us I 1092 01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:17,760 didn't know so many people like, why would I don't know anyway? 1093 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,920 Be sure and join us next time on circling the drink. You