If we are to die now, what's the value in it.
What's the value of this death.
And so now through that lens, I'm judging, what's the value of how this
potential world war three is starting.
What's
the value.
Welcome to the Lucas Skrobot show I'm Lucas Skrobot.
And this is where we uncover purpose pursue truth and own the future episode
274, we are recording a March 16th, 2022.
And the only thing that anyone has been talking about, I guess
if you're U S American pundant, you're going to be talking about
ridiculous U S American politics.
But the only thing that the world is really focused on is the
beginnings of world war three.
And so we have the world's most leading geopolitical expert on
the show today, Mike Nova mayhem.
Welcome to the show.
Oh,
uh, it's good to be alive.
I just have to say, I, for those of you who are listening, you can't see, uh, Mike
is wearing a shirt, filled with flags, and that's how I know that he is the
world's foremost, leading geopolitical, Slavic, uh, Eastern European expert,
actually actually to be truthful.
Uh we're we're taking all that geopolitical garbage and we're
shoving it in the trash today.
Aren't we?
Mike?
Yes.
Yeah.
Or as some stuff.
Outside of the Christian world Putin's bomb.
But we can't say that on that show that that's, this is a kid-friendly show.
I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm saying that.
I was just saying that.
Yes.
If you were to say it well.
Okay.
So, so, so the reason that we're going to queue this up here, the reason that Mike
is on the show is because he is a refugee.
He is Slavic half Russian, half Ukrainian family on both sides.
He is an entrepreneur with business ventures, not only in the states,
but in Ukraine, in Russia, he has connections through millionaires
and billionaires across the world, especially in the Slavic nations.
He left Ukraine just days before he was living there for a while, long story,
but he left Ukraine just days before.
Isn't that right?
And, uh, you have been ferocious on social media, uh, really just too muddy, cutting
it right down the middle, not dealing with the ridiculous crap on either side.
So, Mike, I'm just glad that you're here on the show.
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
Thank you for adding me, Lucas.
You're the best.
Just
to cue this a little bit up a little bit more for listeners tell, I want
to know what have you done, you know, your background, your refugee
story, just to get a context of why, why, you know, what's going on?
Why are you an expert on what's happening right now in Ukraine
besides just being a internet?
Absolutely by the, um, there's experts that are better than
me, but I'm not far off.
Um, so I appreciate you saying that I will, uh, chase that word
down with honor the word expert.
Um, uh, 1992, uh, shortly after the iron curtain comes down.
Um, my parents were refugees from Russia.
I'm a baby, like two and a half years old.
I don't remember it much, you know, um, growing up in the states, you
know, I'm like five years old, I go to school and I'm like, why are these
people speaking as weird language?
It was English, you know, I'm like, there's clearly no way out for me.
Like I clearly am here and my parents were bringing me here every day.
So I must learn this language English, you know?
So, um, you know, and then that like mix of like, where am I, what
am I doing, blah, blah, blah has pretty much kind of driven my whole.
Um, whatever I've done.
Yeah.
In business, like in school, uh, wherever I would take, you
know, go to university, whatever.
Um, you know, I always felt, um, pretty comfortable with
providing things for people.
And if I needed money for life, I would sell them.
You know, I felt comfortable doing that.
It's probably some of the most comfortable things I feel like doing ever, you know?
Uh, and so, uh, I mean, bro, bottom star, you know, like bottom line, I'm a sales
guy, like since seven years old selling hamsters in front of a seven 11, for real,
like my youth pastor would make fun of me.
Say, say your training is in rodent sales in front of the sun
loving when you're seven years old.
So like maybe on my personality, that's a bit of a background, but on
like a fit, you know, more official history for rough Russian refugees.
Um, I had a chance.
I went into passive income from my dealership, like about few years ago and
I'm like, listen, what am I going to do?
Am I going to sit around in the, like, wherever I'm at?
You know?
And just like, just do whatever, you know, or like keep working on crappy
songs that I know aren't going to make it to the top 100 by myself.
I need a team.
I don't have a team.
You know, what am I as like a, you know, what's, I thought you said something
about, uh, you know, like whatever.
Uh, so, uh, I took the passive income and I went to just go
and live across the world.
That's how we met Dubai when we met yeah.
A few years ago.
Uh, Dubai, you know, took a little time to study Italy a little
bit, lived in Rome and Naples.
Um, in Berlin, I lived in Berlin for a little bit.
Uh, so before this point, before this point, you weren't really reconnecting
with your, your Slavic roots.
Uh, only those that were in the states.
And I felt like there was something more, I felt like, like in my spirit, you know,
because we're all, you know, we're all busy, you know, you got your roots baker,
you're building, you know, business.
You're an entrepreneur, you've got kids, you got a wife, like you're busy,
you know, we're all busy, so to speak.
But man, dude, like I felt like, dude, there's something pulling me.
Like, there's something else that I'm missing.
And I w I just want to feel it, you know, like I want to see it.
Yeah.
And, uh, a couple of relatives of mine from Seattle, uh, some
entrepreneurs as well, um, They, uh, I would say their name.
I just such a weird political time right now, like saying
people's names during war time.
Rightly about it, DME or something.
I'll tell you who they are and they, yes, but Lana and Paula.
Yeah.
They're, you know, they were, I won't say her last name, but they were, uh,
uh, they, they were a huge blessing to a group of us and they gave us like
the confidence because they funded an organization that took a bunch of Slavic
kids that were raised here and then took them into the Slavic world over there.
After I got tasted that that's right after I flew to Dubai, I met you.
Um, then I went to Ukraine, sang on a tour with a buddy of mine from
Atlanta here, but he's from Ukraine.
Uh, they're trying to get like 30, 30 of his family members out refugees right now.
Um, you know, whatever did the whole thing.
Trying to get as much of the world in me as possible study, like international
relations while I'm actually there.
Like, oh, I didn't know that it's illegal to say, Hey, Hitler in Germany.
I didn't know that it's illegal to not wear a swastika in Germany.
Like, I mean, it's clear, it makes sense, but I just didn't know stuff like that.
And I want it to cause that's, what's gonna happen in Russia.
My opinion.
I'm going to pause you on this because there's so often I have to look
like when I'm producing for a show, I have to look up that stuff too.
I think a lot of people feel when I, when I discuss with a lot of people,
they feel like they're stupid.
They feel like they're dumb.
They feel like they're uneducated.
And then they get embarrassed to ask questions and they put themselves
down thinking, you know, people always say to me, oh, you're just so smart.
You're way smarter than I am all this stuff.
I'm like, well, all I did was read and research.
Just like you, you didn't know these things about Europe or Slavic.
Uh, even though those were your roots, you had to figure that out.
And I just want to bring that up because it's, it's important that we
ask questions and realize that most other adults in the world probably
don't know, you know, probably don't know that the countries that comprise
NATO, they don't know, you know, what is
data there's about 30 of them.
What is the, that kind of stuff?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, and, uh, and to be honest, bro, like, uh, I knew you, you know, you
hear it, but when it's war time, that's when you really start researching it.
And I was like, starting to research and read all the countries.
I'm like, okay, how many countries right here?
Which ones?
What's, they're all surrounding Ukraine by.
You know, this whole thing about Russia, trying to be afraid that
Ukraine is going to be a NATO.
And I dunno, man, I'm still keeping it on a lease, bro.
If I'm speaking too much on the rest of the culture for real, no, this is
good.
Cause this is where, you know, when we think of people just don't know
I'm I, I like to play my Slav card.
You know, I'm half Polish square.
Backi I love to pull on my Slavic heritage.
I don't know it though, but when, when we're looking at this conflict, this
current conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and it seems like it's really
Russia and NATO, it's very confusing.
What are some of these underlying Eastern European Slavic history
that we don't understand?
You know, I, myself and I think a lot of other people think of Russia and Russians.
Part of Europe, not necessarily, you know, this other people group over in Asia.
Uh, how can you, can you just open up and break down in a simple way?
What is the Slavic contextual history and why is there so much
tension that's now boiling over?
Well, I can go a few ways with this and I would like to, so just keep again, you
know, just interrupt me when you're ready.
You know what I mean?
But, uh,
we clearly know that there is, uh, a man at the throne in Russia.
Every the world does know that that's a fact.
Everyone can agree with that, that there is somebody in media
that's, that's showing his face.
Okay.
Um, we know that this man, I mean, let's, uh, Let's let, let me just say this man.
Have you ever heard of about the Napoleon complex?
Yeah.
And people in
complex Napoleon Napoleon complex.
I'm a, I'm a dude.
That's five 10 when I'm around guys that are six, five.
I feel inferior.
Lower, sorry.
Right.
Inferior.
Right, right.
Word inferior.
I feel smaller guys.
There are five, four or five, seven feel even smaller when they have 5,000 nuclear
bombs, then they're probably going to be a little more prone to be a little more
Jabie in, in this case, world war three.
Uh it's like the guy who is small event buys a massive truck.
Cause he's trying to compensate for something.
Yeah, we got it.
Okay.
So there's, there's a hypothetical ruler of a nation called Russia.
Putin is his name
hypothetically.
So how so, but how does that play into the, the tensions amongst Slavic people?
Like what is the, the history that is boiling over right now?
Yeah.
Um, and by the way, I really appreciate you being really careful with the lag
cause we're in different countries and I notice a lag and you're being really
patient with how we space the sentences.
So props to you on that, back to your question, brother.
Um, Slavic nations, there's, there's a lot of them, right.
There's dozens of them, right.
Or heritages languages, stuff like that.
Um, and one of the two closest and, um, most kind of that rubbed shoulders,
so to speak are Russia and Ukraine.
Um, now, uh, I was taught.
I was talking to the people on the ground.
Mostly.
I, you know, I didn't ha I hung a little bit with all like, like an
oligarchy or two, like, heard about the stories of how they're, you know,
buying 200,000 euros worth of red wine.
So their girlfriend can bathe in it, like whatever cool.
You know, like interesting.
I get it.
But like, I dunno how that applies to what I'm doing, you know what I mean?
Um, and you know, uh, people on the ground in Ukraine like pastors,
uh, you know, nine to five business owners, entrepreneurs, uh, it's the
guys that aren't part of the 0.01%.
You know what I mean?
They are proud that they can go out in public and Ukraine and say, say
that, Hey, in case they have a bad president, they have, they know that
they won't be shot or arrested or.
On on the street for saying that that's when I, when I was there,
that's the vibe I got off of everybody.
So every comment, every, every common or every normal, you know, run to the
middle person, who's not the, the ruling elite are just glad that they have the
freedom to disagree with their government.
Honestly, even the ruling elite.
I mean, yeah.
They, you know, we're walking around like, you know, in their group, like there's
body guards or whatever, whatever they got a button for, like emergency services that
like some crazy team comes in to scoop amount and something that goes down, you
know, but like, uh, they're, they're good.
They're good.
They're not, they don't feel weird.
They've made okay.
Maybe one is a little, seems a little cocky.
Maybe somebody seems a little poor, maybe so, but they're all pretty
balanced out as humans outset.
When, when you talk to people about that, I have like, especially like I
talked to a pastor that I stayed at, they actually invited me to come stay at a
couple of surgeries in, uh, in Ukraine.
And they invited me to come recover at their house and like
serve at their church, you know?
Uh, and it was such a pleasure.
And, you know, the pastor in his just like calm tone, you know,
just full, full patients' mode.
He's like, man, we know, we know that people are suppressed over there.
There's the freedom of speech is just not there.
We would rather be poor and have freedoms, then be probably still poor
and have to look up to some dude that's a tyrant that the whole world looks at.
Like what's going on?
You know, So they're really kind of fighting for that, between these two.
I mean, that's, there's bro.
I've had so many conversations with Ukrainians Russians, uh, relative to
view, and I was born in the USSR, but now it's the territory that dangerous.
That's actually a little bit dangerous to a PO podcasts
like this to some Ukrainians.
Like I have I'm on a VPN every day.
I'm looking kind of looking just left to right.
Just in case, especially if I go back anywhere in Russia or Ukraine
again, which I will, you know,
uh, why is that?
Why is it, why would that be?
Why is that dangerous to say that you were born in the USSR and
now it's the now it's Russia.
Why, how has that, why is that controversial?
Well, simply because I was raised, which a lot of people in Ukraine, millions
of people in this 40 million people in the crane, um, a few, a few million,
pretty much fundamentally speaking.
Right.
So it's kind of dangerous for them a little bit in that sense, because if
you rubs, if somebody rubbed the wrong way with the Russian language, the pay
patriotism, it could really get you.
It can really snap you that you will, you can get into a
fight on the street over that.
And was that before, was that before this war even started, that there was already
bad blood between Ukrainians and Russians?
Or is it now since the war started, there's a lot of tensions between
Ukrainians and Russians taking sides
because of the annexation of Crimea.
But, uh, it wasn't like crazy.
Now it's better.
If you just speak Ukrainian Ukraine, right.
'cause it's like, Joe, is he a spy?
Is he a, you know, is he a what, you know?
Um, and I'm just, I'm just, my dad was born in Ukraine and Dunbar, you know,
where there, we bombed everything in 2014 or, you know, whatnot and, you know,
uh, I just have to be careful because I know that I'm acting out a good day.
And so I just have to look out for my wellbeing in a sense, and
help as many people as possible set as much money as possible, uh,
communicate as much as possible.
Just be, be a shoulder if someone needs, needs it and, and build businesses in
the state that are going to affect, not just Ukraine, uh, but then the rest of
the world, because there's some really talented engineers that I've met there.
There's some really talented people there, and they're all going to work
for $500 a month to build some of the greatest companies in the world right now.
So if you're like an entrepreneur.
Let's let's chat or go chat, go do, go do your own work.
Cause so if you were to trying to build,
so I, I guess, you know, when we, when we bring it back to the current
conflict, you sound like, even though you are born in Russia, Russian by
blood speak, Russian, not originally Ukrainian, you seem to be pretty
But right now there are a lot of people who I see who are in one or
two stance, one, they are either kind of anti globalist data.
Maybe dabbling a little bit in, you know, bio lab theory and Putin is actually,
uh, you know, just a misrepresented, good guy by the leftist CNN MSNBC media.
And he's actually the, the resurrection of Donald Trump and he's going in and
he's emptying the swamp of, of deep state politician neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
And we should just let that be because their argument is actually, this is, this
is a good thing because it's going against the globalist, um, alphabet agenda.
But you don't seem to be of that thought.
No, not at all because I try, I, when I am in really tough moments in my life,
Um, I, first thing that I'm asking for for this life is wisdom a hundred percent.
I'm not asking for a specific interpretation of
what any precedent insane.
I'm asking for wisdom, because I want to understand what that person
is saying, what they're doing, how they're acting, what they're doing and
their actions, how they're matching up with their words, what their body
language is, what are they eating?
What are they, what, what is, what do they look like?
How much makeup is on them, stuff like this.
Like whatever I want logically to think of whether I should trust this person or not.
And I 100.
A hundred percent put my life on it.
Do not trust this guy for a second.
Do I trust Lucas?
Groba who runs his podcast hundred percent.
Do I trust this man?
That's that's got a ton of ton of ton of balm for the world, by the way.
Uh, and he's saying some things that I've researched very thoroughly and I've seen
my neighborhood where I was restoring from brain surgery and McCann and a
mechanical surgery apartment building, like dream, dream penthouse that I wanted
to have that I was like, you know what, usually I give money everywhere else.
This time, I'll just, I'll just rent a penthouse for three months on a,
on a sky level view above Kia rockets and missiles through a brother.
You know what I mean?
The house where I was being restored in like physically with the, with
the pastors dead bodies on the street, walks away dozens of meters
away, which is a hundred feet.
200, 300, 405, everything dead bodies, dead bodies, dead
bodies, tanks burned down tanks.
Z's on them.
I'm talking about like, so I know what's happening on the ground.
I've been with the elite and Ukraine personally, I'm talking about
the people with the most money handshake away from the president.
Zelensky because he was an actor before I'm on a flight from Atlanta.
Thank God.
This, this guy, uh, that hit me up on top of our government calling me, you
know, from the federal level, they call it called people that submitted their
information online and they call us personally after all the news and all
the detentions at friends, been friends like, yo, get out, get out, get out.
And I'm like, I had, I was timing the surgery because I
was like, all right, buh-bye.
And this guy comes into to my life that I knew, like, so he used to work
with the project, but when the Alaska was an actor, he used to work with
them, you know, uh, with our businesses and stuff, they would hire him out.
And, uh, you know, he showed me photos on the plane of the lens, like the
president, his confidential stuff that they can't release now, but they
have NDAs on, but I see visually I'm like, dude, I've been with the elite.
I've been with the broken and the poor and not one person is a Nazi, not
one person is they're normal people.
They're just like the people in the United States, just like the people
I saw in Dubai, just like you and me, everything there is a little bit,
there is a, there is a perversion.
From whoever the aggressor is.
I don't care what his name is.
I don't care what swastika they have.
I don't care.
There is a perversion it's 100% I put my
life on it.
All right.
So I understand that.
And then where I, where I also, you know, the arguments, the
arguments also are coming in and I've seen you deal with this.
And so I'm asking you, it seems as though the world is going to be pulled
into world war three, it seems as though NATO increasingly is getting involved.
It seems as though, uh Zalinsky who a lot of people criticize as.
You know, continuing being an actor hired by the globalist elite to push
forward a globalist elitist agenda.
And that it's just a, it's just a stage and a show to pull the
world into world war three.
And, you know, that's kind of the stuff that people say.
I don't know, Salinsky I have zero idea, but those are the
arguments that people are making.
You know, they show that video back when in 96 or whatever, when
he was a dancer and people say, oh, look, so is not a great guy.
It seems to me, I guess my point is, it seems to me that this whole thing
is just propaganda on both sides.
That there's, there's propaganda all the way through.
And I'm curious because I'm curious because if NATO is pulled
into this, what are the effects.
And it seems like there's this, all this geopolitical nonsense that's going on.
That I'm not smart enough to understand, but what you're saying is, okay.
Yeah, that's great.
But people are, are dying on the ground and you're calling for peace.
But my question is, how can you have peace if the only way that you can have
peace is by throwing the world into world war three, because this leader
of the nation of Russia, you're saying has an informed inferiority complex.
And if he's going to lose, he's going to start.
A lot of people worry that he might start using biological,
chemical or nuclear weapons.
Ah, man, um, right now brother, when I look at our government, the United
States, which is the largest threat to, you know, the Federation, that's
being the aggressor right now, you know, are the government here in the U S.
I'm praying for the people that are the advisers to a sleepy president.
Um, I'm praying for the people that have influenced there and have
on or for life and understand the sacredness of life and death and how
scary, how very, very scary it is to come close to death, which I would
know personally, once you were in that position, even when you're fighting
somebody, which you might have to in life, you might have to fight somebody, but you
want it to be the guy that still has love for that person after the fight, even if.
Even if you lose, you want to be that guy.
That's a good, that's a good man.
That's a good dude.
Um,
do, are you asking me specifically if asked, what would happen if a world war
three or what the, what the consequences might be what's happening or if it will
happen or, you know, stuff like this?
Yeah,
that's a great question.
I think, I think really what I'm getting at is that it seems like
this is a lose, lose situation.
It seems that Russia invading,
how, how does, how does this, obviously we're, maybe we're getting
too deep into geopolitical stuff, but how does that deescalate?
How does that deescalate NATO gets pulled in?
It just continues to grow.
And who's, who's paying the cost of that.
Who's the one, the people who are actually suffering from that.
And you, you know, you talked about just now, I need to have love, love
in your heart for, for your enemy, or you need to have, you know, at
the end of the day, you need to have love in your heart for your enemy.
Otherwise, you know, you're just as evil and corrupt as them, but
you've been trying to tow the line on social media and trying to split the
center of saying, Hey, I love Russia.
I love my Russian roots.
I love Ukraine.
I love my, you know, Ukrainian relationships and family.
And you're, you're trying to say, okay, geopolitical stuff aside, here's
the people who are suffering is that.
A hundred percent, hundred percent.
I even started a nonprofit, got a bunch of donations already.
And the motto straight up across the board is decreased suffering.
Wherever the next conflict is decrease, suffering, wherever
the next issue is decreased.
If fits in your life, decrease suffering, let's figure it
out, balance this thing out.
You know, let's go because, uh,
can I tell you something about, uh, getting hit by this car
and kids four months ago?
Can I tell you something?
What happened?
I blacked out for a very, for a bit.
I'm not going to tell you, I don't need to say much.
I don't think to get the point across, but
I thought I was depressed.
I thought I had suicidal thoughts before I thought that I did.
But when I, when I blacked out for the longest time in my entire life and woke
up with a massive Eva Toma in my head in a shattered school shattered jaw shattered
collarbone with two dudes, trying to take me away from the ambulance that hit
me, then later hit the car away from the police, have arrest records on their name.
This war is kind of saving there, but honestly, I'm so happy that I have a
chance to sit here and talk to you on this podcast about something in going on
in the world, including let's be real.
We got some amazing hair.
Okay.
Let's be real here.
Uh, but can't believe I just said that, uh, there's, there's massive problems
going on in the world, regardless.
I'm just attached to this.
That's why I was able to speak out maybe a lot or tow align or this and that.
But, um, you want to.
You want to be able to the blackout, the blackout when there's nothing there and
you can't feel God anymore, whatever it was for me, I couldn't feel anything.
It was just zero.
I was reduced to zero because I was not, I was not conscious.
I was not blah, blah, blah.
And it was, and then my body starts coming back and that's when my respect for the
creator goes up a hundred, a million fold.
And that's when I realized, I said, listen, if we are to die,
now, what's the value in it.
What's the value of this debt.
And so now through that lens, I'm judging, what's the value of how this
potential world war three is starting.
What's the value here?
How valuable is it?
Does it look valuable on both.
Most people want this thing to not, not want to talk about it.
We would rather talk about how Dubai is building the next amazing building,
how, whatever whatever's happening somewhere else and all this and here
where y'all looking at this stuff and it's starting starts to gets kind
of, it's not, you know what I mean?
You know what you mean?
Yeah.
Uh, it's it's
that it's, it's hard for us.
I think, I think we're finally getting to the core of the core of this year.
It's hard for us to look at death and suffering.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And it's natural and it's natural.
And I don't see that there's some people, there's some people
that are in media, in government.
Maybe have lost people.
We all have lost something.
That's not fun.
Now imagine that being someone you love or yourself, then you start
looking at it through a different lens.
You say what's the value.
And yet everything's relative.
This is in a bunker in the Russian Federation sitting in,
and this is valuable to him.
If we would not be P built to change people's minds, then
what kind of people would be be.
So we, we are here to affect change.
Yeah.
And we're either going to do, we're going to do it.
We're going to do it for better or for worse.
So where our logic steps in, that's where the understanding
steps in that we have to use.
And we have to say, okay, so what are we gonna do?
What are we going to say?
You know?
Yeah.
Some of it, maybe we came off controversial.
We're sorry if you're offended.
Sorry.
But if somebody is offended, I apologize.
And if.
Still aggressing.
I leave, I go and be changed somewhere else.
You know, like there's no point in staying in, fighting for
something that's not valuable.
What's the point in fighting for it.
If it's not insanely excellently valuable, how valuable is this?
Explain it to them.
You can't because it's hard to explain.
And only one guy tries to do it in this world and he's not
doing that great of a job.
He's he's got stutter, stutter steps in his speech.
He's got hands that he can't keep together.
He's got this going on.
He's got 25 women around him, like a chic bro.
You're not in the UAE.
You're in Russia.
You, you were praying with the Catholic church.
We believe in marriage there.
One one-to-one we don't believe in 17 women in a room with, you
know, What's the point of that.
You're another flex in another part of your project.
Not it.
How special is that?
You know that the Ukrainian on the other side.
Okay.
Let's say whatever, let's take some shots, you know, be more passionate.
I want to see some tears.
I cried from the states on Instagram and felt like a weak man.
I want to see some emotion from you if you're really who you say you are.
You know, so we, I mean, I'm passionate obviously about the subject,
bro, because I'm in love with the culture and I'm in love with life.
So in love with it, and I wasn't for 30 years probably for give or
take, I was, I was a happy kid.
My parents were off, you know, but for a long time, I didn't
have an insane love for life.
And I'm really appreciate that right now.
And I want to see that, especially for me.
And I expect it from myself and yeah, not everybody needs to come close to death.
Sure.
No, but should we sit and maybe agree and maybe show things in our media
that we put out, like you're putting out with you, like you're putting
out, should we show something that's really to the core and exposes, so we
know what the root system looks like, because what if you really got big?
Why are you scared?
Right.
So, so I've been in the previous couple of episodes talking about
not coming to agreement with the spirit of war and really in thinking
through the complexities of, of defending your Homeland against war.
Um,
and you know, you've, you've sent, you've sent over.
Just atrocious, atrocious images of, uh, see if I can pull it up here.
Uh, just horrible images
of what's happening there with the war what's happening with people
just being put into mass graves.
Uh, really just shocking images,
no mass graves.
We see images of cities being bombed out.
Just totally bombed out flames, apartment buildings, just being
totally, totally, completely decimated.
You know, you sent over videos of, of, uh, you know, some of your friends
walking into buildings that have been completely bombed out showing
the carnage, the carnage of war,
uh,
of, of, of this assault that has come on on Ukraine.
And there's, as you said, like what's the value, is it, is it more valuable
to preserve your life and not stand up to evil tyrants to not stand up
and just say, you know what, it's more valuable to, to just let these tanks
roll in and set up a puppet government?
Or is it, is it more valuable to fight for your freedoms?
Um, is it more valuable to.
The stand in and fight for what you believe in, in the midst of being bond.
Yeah.
And what
do you think?
How, how do you, how do you, you know, you're talking about the passion
and love of a fly and you're talking about, uh, the importance of life,
how do you, how do you rectify those two things?
How do you rectify the, okay, well, we're, we're going to turn around and
hate on Russia because they're being an aggressor, but you see the, you know,
18 year old kids going to fight these wars who thought they're going on?
Training operations.
Yeah.
I love what you said, puppet government.
These are like big, big, big, like, you know, strong, like a strong statement
in a sense for any government, um,
when we're out of balance.
Yeah.
Well, I guess in the, and then the, the act it's funny, both sides are
accusing the same thing because Russia is accusing Salinsky to be a puppet
organization for the west and NATO and the west and NATO and Salinsky
is accusing Putin of trying to come in and set up a puppet organization.
And so it's, it just seems like this is an impossible situation where no one can win.
How, how do you then love your enemy?
How do you then carry yourself, right?
Because you and I, we're not going to, we're going to have, I'm going
to affect geopolitical anything.
We're not going to make a dent, even if we know what the most
powerful people, I don't quite don't say that quite yet, because like, I mean,
you know, literally the president of Ukraine might be watching this podcast.
I'm not joking just based on me sending it to three people that
are near him, you know, like they might maybe later, anytime is good.
How do you win?
How do you win in the face of the loss of life?
How do you win in, in realizing that it is a, that the world is on thin ice of
slipping into really the next world war.
How do you win from that point as a governmental leader?
How do you win a Zelinsky?
How do you, how do you, how do you deescalate when you're balancing.
Either giving up the freedoms that your country has to tyranny or possibly
losing tens of thousands and millions of lives in a coming world war.
Yeah.
Um,
there have to be risk takers, whoever that's going to be, God's
going to praise them and God's going to glorify those people.
They are not always presidents.
They're not always people that you expect, but then they show up after they've
done what they've done after they've meditated and let God do it through them.
In a sense, I don't want to get too religious either.
You know, for people that are listening to this with their logical side, you
know, but you know what I'm talking about.
There has to be the S like, there's you and I, we grew up around, you know, these,
these, uh, figures in human history, like this girl, Esther that went and
risked her life to save her people.
That's how you're going to do it.
Don't do, don't make a dumb risk.
Don't go play at the casino.
You know, you know, you're going to lose, you know, and even if you do,
when you're going to be annoyed, you know, because you had put so much
effort into it for what, for paper, for, for like money that you could've
made somewhere else and been happier.
Okay.
So that's take the risks, but analyze how you're going to do it
and let the spirit that's in you.
That's wholly do it.
Take those.
You know, and that's how, because there's no other way.
It's like, it's like when you're hungry, there's no other weather.
There's no other way to eat, but to go and find food, it's
not, it doesn't just come to us.
And if it does, we get fat and lazy and we get unhappy and all this
stuff, we got to take the risks.
We got to get up from the chair.
We gotta be done with whatever we were doing.
We gotta go, we gotta go find the fruit.
We gotta go.
Make sure it's clean.
It doesn't have bacteria on it.
We're always taking risks.
So we got to calculate these things that are on a major level,
especially on a world level, you know?
And that's why I'm blowing the horn.
I've done things on my Instagram that I wouldn't, I wouldn't
have even imagined doing or set things, but I thought it through.
And I said, I want to draw as much attention to this as possible.
Even if it looks like it's coming from a back around some way that even.
I would never say in a church or at a, you know, into a microphone
on a stage, you know what I mean?
So I'm like, this is, you know, this is my stage that I really want the
real ones to just get and be like, okay, it's really going down for real.
There's absolutely no room for error because there's going to be error.
Even when we're risking, there's going to be air, but we need to make sure that
we minimize it to the point where we feel good about the air that's coming.
Because most of the time we don't.
Yeah, that
was, as you're talking, thinking about multiple stories from world
war II, about Victor Frankl, who wrote man's search for meaning and
how he was in a concentration camp.
And he was stripped of everything, stripped of everything in the end, he
realized the depravity of his humanity and how he found how to find purpose.
Outside of all of his accolades or his, his titles or of his clothes or
what he did, or his past life had to find purpose and he had to take risk.
And it was in the midst of that suffering that he figured out how to live.
Uh, you know, you think of all these stories of, of world war two, uh,
of, uh, Schindler and how he, you know, took risks to save thousands
of Jews from the gas chamber.
Quite literally, because he was a businessman.
He, I, I think of, I forgot the gentleman's name, but he
took risks to smuggle hundreds, hundreds of children out from.
To the UK, never called anyone about it until he's old and gray
and his wife or his niece or something finds in the addict.
All these records of how many people that he saved and the, they pulled him
and the generations that he saved into room and they, they called them up and
they said, these are all people that are alive because you took a risk because
you stood up and you did something.
This is what we talk about on this show about owning the future about stepping
up and taking a risk that could, that could actually cost you something, not
just for your own self centered purpose, but to actually to serve someone else.
I want to, I want to transition to, you know, if people are been following
this, they want to know how and where.
To give they, they, they see the human cost of Ukrainian citizens
who are the one paint new is paying the price for this war.
Whoever started it for whatever reasons.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is, is who is truly an ultimately paying the price in the cost.
Can you, uh, tell us
how people can give to this project?
How can people give through whether it's through your NGO or whatever it's through,
how can we tangibly make an impact?
Absolutely.
Um, most of the people in the world are not extremely well.
Um, so if you can give a dollar, that's perfect.
If you can give.
That's perfect.
If you can give 10 as perfect.
If you can give a thousand, that's perfect.
You can give a million.
That's perfect.
Um, and if you can't give
obviously prey, you know, and
what initially, what initiatives, what initiatives do you have going on right now
there that people can tangibly pour into?
Um, so the photos that you're showing here, these are orphans.
These are babies that were evacuated from an orphanage that was bombed.
They were trapped in a basement.
My friends, my good friends.
I've in vehicle with the orphan foundation.
Uh, the link is in my Instagram bio, uh, at Mike Nova music.
Yeah.
There.
Oh yeah, you haven't tagged.
Thank you so much for this.
If you want to give there, do it.
If you feel comfortable giving somewhere else, I'm not fighting charity versus
charity, just make sure that you feel comfortable doing it and they
amount is comfortable for you too.
You know what I mean?
Um, don't, you know,
what's on your heart.
Yeah.
Don't give out of guilt, but give generously and, and yeah.
Give generously.
Yeah.
And for some people it's, it's, it's a dollar and for some people 3000, for some
people, it's a million and guess what?
It's going to evaporate like this because each one of those bombs that
you see exploding, that's 50 million.
That's just down the drain, 50 million bucks, 50 million bucks.
How many bombs were launched already rockets, almost a
thousand, just rockets, you know?
So there's.
Yeah.
Give, just get it out of the goodness of your heart.
Don't don't give to, to feel guilty later if you're going to give do it.
And if you find a charity that you can trust, do it, you
know, um, these orphans, man.
Oh man, dude, I have like, especially out of this, like out of this
position that I'm saying like it's, uh, these kids are so cute, man.
These blue eyes, these little baby faces, like, I'm just like, yo, I won't, I'm
not a father, but I'm, I'm about to be like trying to adopt one of these kids.
You know what I mean?
But, uh,
so this is, so this is the guy right here.
This is Ivan.
Is that right?
He's the one that is going in and saving these orphans, moving them to
safe shelters, safe houses, pulling them out of basements, arranging
transport, getting them to safety,
amazing people.
Again, 10 years ago I met Ivan.
The son that's either on the phone.
Senior and junior, and he is out there like literally
however old, I think he's 70.
Uh, and he's literally out there just plowing through evil, like straight up,
you know, and cause he's connected, he's connected spiritually to the country.
That's his Homeland, you know?
Um, these people have been doing this for 10 years before any annexation of Crimea.
Uh, these are the avoids they're from Portland, Oregon.
And uh, like shout out wise.
Yeah.
Or if it's linking to my bio DME or something, if you have questions
about them, but they, they are amazing people and I've done this.
They're great in money, you know, they're, they've, they're funding a lot of stuff
themselves, like to the point where they, you know, they're stressed like and th
and you know, the kind of stress that they hopefully can take on, I think.
But, uh, I'm supposed to meet him today, actually here in, uh,
Um, the junior, not, not senior.
Uh, so I kinda plugged his name there a couple of times.
I just want to make them feel special.
All, I'll take a step out of this saying their names and you've done that.
And they're going to, they're probably going to cry though, but,
uh, you know, it just it's special.
Um, and, and LA, we, we have to do it in love.
If somebody is not ready to give, if somebody is not ready to convert
to have a conversation to do that, we should leave them alone.
You know, we should let him be because let, let him deal with,
with what they've got going on.
You know, show him, love that way, give them peace, give him space.
You know, some people aren't ready to be talking about this.
You know what I mean?
Uh, so people are, you know, and we, we, again, just like we take risks
in a conversation like you and me are taking risks today, just being
on this podcast, you know, W we calculate that and we say, all right,
I think God's going to bless us.
I think this is not my ego or whatnot.
And we moved that way and everything.
So, I mean, yeah, I hope I answered, you know, as far as the giving and charitable
stuff, um, there's plenty of places vet them that the, well, make sure they
have that a long history, um, you know, and make sure that they don't seem to.
Well guys, this, as you all know, this is a value for value podcast.
If you get value out of the show, we just ask that you give value back
to the show in the measure that you got it, that you took out of it.
And today, if, if you give through the podcast or if you go to the link that
is in the bio to give directly through to, um, this orphan organization that
they're saving orphans, um, either way that you give, if you make a note, if,
if you're giving to the podcast, um, through, through that, if you make a
note of the Ukraine, a hundred percent of the proceeds is going to go to this
project in this organization, uh, you know, orphans and widows it's, it is what
it's about is really doing the real work.
I don't pitch this hard on a show, uh, but this guys, I believe in.
If we can help a few people who are outside of whatever geopolitical nonsense
is going on outside of whatever bombs are dropping and who's right and who's
wrong, it's, it's the citizens of Ukraine that are ultimately paying the price.
And if we can do anything to help them, uh, I would strongly,
strongly encourage you.
The courage you to do that.
Um, Mike has, as we wrap up today,
you've said that, you know, on your Instagram, by.
You have both the Russian and Ukrainian flag.
And you're saying that a lot of people are getting mad that you have both flags, but
everything that we've talked about today, it really seems like you're one-sided.
So why do you even have both flags in your bio and why are people on
both sides getting upset at you?
Um,
it may maybe feels like both sides.
Really?
It just, a couple of people are very patriotic to Ukraine in are straight
up racist, straight up, you know?
Uh, and it hurts because I'm close to them.
I'm close to the people legally, you know?
Um, uh, and I'm one sided for the fact that, um, this is all going to change.
This is all going to go.
You know what I mean?
And the people that hear the call and they hear the invite and it's not just,
it's not just Ukraine, you know, we don't have perfect governments today.
We won't have them tomorrow, but the people that can recognize it and be the
best that they can be in their countries across the world, because we're world
people, I'm wearing a world shirt.
I mean, I got the blue and yellow fruit crane, but I'm a world person.
Um, that's it, you know, uh,
I don't, I don't know how much more I have to say, man.
Yeah.
I love what you were saying about, you know, your near death experience,
where you're crossing across walk.
You get hit by a car running a red light, blacked out almost.
Before you saying you, you know, you're depressed, suicidal, not
knowing if you want to live and you have this near death experience.
And all of a sudden you realize that life is precious.
It's worth risking things for, uh, any right.
This, you know, this crisis, however long it takes, it's going to be out
of the new cycle and there's going to be another crisis somewhere else.
But it takes us as people standing up and taking risks, not just to
make our lives better, but to serve someone else's to serve someone else
and help them in their time of need.
Yeah.
Serving can be really hard.
I feel like, but it shouldn't be.
So we have to figure out ways where serving isn't extremely hard for us
because we got interesting lives.
We're all, we're not all heirs to Johnson and Johnson or some fortune 500 company.
Right.
And even then they themselves say, I wish I would have built it myself.
And these rich kids, you know, and I feel for them too, you know, um, uh, we
have a calling, we feel the calling and we have to, it's so hard to be honest
to it because our brain, our brain is saying, I want to bomb and kill.
That's what our brain is saying, but our soul is saying something up.
And so find the balance because we need our brains to, we can't just shut off.
You know?
How do you, how do you ride guys?
How do you recognize the calling?
Like how do you recognize that
when it's gets so painful and you have the fear of real pain doing
something that you feel is incorrect, it's maybe more feeding an ego or
some idea that's more up in your head.
It's not balanced with who you are with food you're created to be,
then that's your problem, right?
You're too far in your head.
I thought I was going to be like, uh, you know, I thought I w I thought
I wanted to be some pop star and I've got, and I got to taste it all
in a sense, you know, you're on TV.
Cool.
Let's go, let's get it done.
Let's do this.
Let's do that.
But at the end of the day, the balance wasn't there.
And I was really pulling away from the sidewalk that's already there and I'm
climbing these crazy rocks and guess what?
I'm still going to get all that stuff.
And I'm still getting it today.
But the way that it's the way that it's valued, the way that I'm using
it, whatever, what is it doing?
Is it hurting my brother to hurting my family?
You know, what am I doing?
How am I balancing this stuff out?
You know, is it, am I, am I am able to serve easily.
I'm serving right now, the easiest, the most serving have ever done in my life.
And it's the easiest.
You know, and we all have that somewhere somehow, and we
just, we do need to find it.
We have to find it.
We have to take that risk and say, I got to find it.
I got to figure it out.
I got to do it because it's there.
If I have to engineer it, it's good.
You know, if I have to ask for it, it's good.
You know?
Um, but yeah, man,
you know, and you were saying that we all want to bond people.
What happens?
What happens when we are, w we find ourselves starting down that road
in our calling and our brain starts veering us off and the jealousy,
hatred, and becoming the very thing that we're fighting against.
What, how do you, in the midst of you wanting to bomb specific
nations or a specific nation right now, or someone who is that.
You know, leading, leading to all this catastrophe and
heartbreak and tragedy and war.
How do you keep from becoming that thing that you hate?
I know that I know that what we feel is good and I can trust
that going out into the world.
I can trust myself because I know that deep down inside.
It's good.
And so when I start thinking too much about, okay, this is what I was
going to do, it starts to feel bad.
I don't like to feel bad, you know?
And I got to reel it back a little bit, forget about the money I got.
I'm a guy that grew up, you know, whatever welfare, blah, blah, blah stuff.
It wasn't bad.
But my mom and dad did, you know, But the money was money
was a target for me, for awhile.
I thought about it enough, or I would, I would suffer enough
just to save it up, you know?
And, uh, and I realized that, Hey, there's some things.
And there's so many different ways, so many different ways that are beyond me,
that people in my life know about the, I don't, you know, let me tell you what the
richest man in the world says, Elon Musk.
Can I tell you something?
What he says?
He says, we're, we're launching rockets into space.
It's some of the most intense engineering cumin have ever done.
And he says before every launch, we look at that rocket standing
there with the whole team, and we say to some degree, we're wrong.
That's not happening with some leaders.
Right?
Some people think they're a hundred percent right.
Humility.
And to some degree we're always wrong.
We're always wrong to some degree.
And we have to consider that and still go and do good, but
don't forget to some degree.
We're always wrong a little bit, a little bit, at least.
And that's enough to be humble.
That is a good word.
That
is a good word,
Mike, thank you so much for being on the show.
People can find you at Instagram at Mike Nova music and, uh, links is all
over in the show notes to be able to give, uh, to this, uh, To the NGO,
to, to your nonprofit, to be able to help, um, the work in Ukraine with
these orphans, saving people and feeding food or giving food to orphans.
Um, right now, if you check out the Instagram, there's posts,
links all over the place.
Um, and as we close, I just want to say, uh, yeah.
Thank you for being on the show.
Thank you for fighting, probably in wrestling in your own heart to find that
middle ground and for, for taking action, not just being a pundant on everything
that's happening when it comes to Ukraine and Russia right now, but you've,
you've moved beyond just being a pundit and you're taking action to actually
build a better future for, for people right now for these orphans right now.
So that's committed.
And, uh, an example to us all.
Yeah.
It's never going to stop the, the tensions in our lives.
I'm not talking about this war.
I'm talking about tensions in our lives somehow.
Right?
So I don't want to preach too much.
I'm sorry, man.
But, uh, if, if we know that what we believe in is right, and it's good,
we're going to have the easiest time and it's going to fly by like this.
And it's going to be a miracle what we're feeling and what we're doing.
And it is a miracle right now in a lot of people's lives.
And it should be more of those kinds of people, you know?
And we invite them, we invite them to be like us.
We invite them because it's an awesome experience, the beautiful experience.
And it's worthy.
We invite them to be like us.
You don't have to, you don't even have to meet us, you know, just.
To start thinking like that, doing like that, you know,
you don't even give a dollar.
Sometimes we invite you to be like us.
You know,
now when you say, be like us, you're saying, be like someone who doesn't
just sit on the wayside, but someone who stands up and tastes takes risks,
like, what do you mean by that?
You know, uh, be like somebody that has such intense faith
and passion and no fear.
That's a really hard balance.
That's a really hard bowl of ingredients.
It sounds like a few ingredients.
It's tough.
So be like that and you will feel so amazing in your life.
You will feel so great and you will do everything that you've ever wanted to do.
And every single dream will come true.
Might have.
Yeah, it's great.
We just talked about on a previous episode, don't shrink back.
Don't shrink.
And in times like these, you know, us men, things just tend to want to shrivel
up a little bit, you know, just kinda like pull back and shrivel and, uh, but
it takes, it takes courage to stand in the face of fear to stand in the face
of man, I might, you know, this might crash the global economy and I'll lose
my job and how I'm going to eat and how I'm going to feed my family, how I'm
gonna feed my kids, what I'm going to do.
But it's what I hear you saying.
It's in that, that we stand up and say, no, I'm gonna, I'm
gonna live in spite of this fear.
I'm gonna, I'm going to go forth with courage and boldness.
There might be destruction waiting for me in the streets, but I'm
not gonna hide in my house.
Go forth out of my comfort out of myself, preservation to build something,
to, to meet the dragon outside, rather than waiting for them to come into my
house, to attack me and to devour me.
And I think in these times everyone has a dragon.
Everyone has those things looming in our lives.
I have things looming in my life that I'm well aware that I need to get out of my
house and attack those in the streets.
Those, those dragons in my life, rather than seeking self-preservation
and small minded thinking, playing it small and playing it safe.
So that resonates with me.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Lucas.
And you're awesome, man.
You're so dedicated bro.
And watching you the last four years or such, right?
Something like that.
Yeah.
Um, it feels like that.
You know, well, you've been so committed to, um, just value, you
know, you've been so committed to, uh, your business, your building.
It's so awesome.
You know, great name two roots bakery, like so cool.
You know what I mean?
You hear kids
say, what is it?
You heard it here.
First kids.
Yeah.
I love that.
I can't talk about that.
Yeah.
You know, um, just amazing concepts and, um, you know, you're a blessing Belle.
You're a blessing, you know what
I mean?
Thank you.
Everyone.
Go follow Mike.
Give, do his nonprofit give to the work of helping orphans in Ukraine right now.
And thank you for listening to this episode.
Remember you, you are a.
Truth seeker, someone who goes out and pursues truth.
And that means that you have to have that sliver of humility.
You have to have that humility, knowing that you might be wrong because
we were in the pursuit of truth.
And it's through that, that we really are able to own our futures.