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This episode covers N C U A Vice Chairman and Board Member Kyle S.
Hauptman statement on the agencyâs Collection of Overdraft
and Non-Sufficient Fund Data
The following is an audio version of that statement.
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N.C.U.A.
Vice Chairman Kyle S.
Hauptman Statement on Nonsufficient Funds (N.S.F.) Fees
N.C.U.A.
Vice Chairman Kyle S.
Hauptman during a meeting of the N.C.U.A.
Board.
As Prepared for Delivery on May twenty second, 20 24
âNo regulation or law passed by government repeals the laws of economics.â
I would like to use this meeting to talk about the N.C.U.A.âs recent
decision to require credit unions with 1 billion in assets and over to publicly
publish their revenue from overdraft fees and fees for insufficient funds.
No one likes paying those fees.
I have paid them myself.
But anytime you wake up and owe $X that day but have less than
X dollars available, there are only a series of bad options.
We are pressuring credit unions to limit what is often the least-bad option
for members under financial stress.
Iâm also aware that there are policy changes the federal government can
make to reduce those sticky financial situations, just by making the
existing financial system work better.
As much as one-third of all late fees and overdrafts could be eliminated
with faster payments that get people their money quicker, which is something
Senator Schatz of Hawaii often mentions.
The reason for my comments today is that we have not discussed change in
the fifty three hundred Report at a Board Meeting, and yet I canât go to
any event without being asked the same questions: âWhy are you doing this to us?
Do you realize how harmful it is to members?â
"No one likes paying those fees.
I have paid them myself.
But anytime you wake up and owe $X that day but have less than
X dollars available, there are only a series of bad options."
My answers are, I wish the N.C.U.A.
was not doing this â especially on such short notice â and finally yes, I do
realize how harmful it is to consumers.
I found out about this burdensome requirement in January.
In lieu of repeal, I have suggested several ways to make it less
damaging to both credit unions and to the Share Insurance Fund.
For example, the same data could be collected in a manner
where itâs available to N.C.U.A.
examiners and we only publish aggregate data.
We could also listen to those pleading for adequate time to prepare, and
not publish the data until next year, especially since itâs been harder than
expected to figure out what numbers are to be used for each category.
All my ideas were rejected.
Credit unions will now face reputational risk for data that neither the N.C.U.A.
nor the credit union knows to be correct.
So, we are now yet another agency mathematically incentivizing institutions
to avoid serving low-income people.
This policy is very clear: donât serve the underserved.
We are now working against the Federal Credit Union Act, which states credit
unions are âto create creditâ¦for those of modest means.â Well, itâs not the
rich that are going to worry about overdraft protection being removed.
Itâs not those with secure, high-paying jobs that will suffer from a further
reduction in offers for âfree checking accounts.â And make no mistake, the
N.C.U.A.âs requirement is designed to pressure those fees downward, since one
of the main reasons credit unions want more time to comply is to lower these fees
and to try to raise revenue in other ways and re-evaluate their business models.
We have seen this movie before.
In 2010, the Dodd-Frank Act reduced access to free checking.
The bill had a provision on debit cards that contained government price-setting, a
provision that mathematically made it less profitable to serve low-income people.
The outcome was as painful as it was predictable: âfree checkingâ fell
away significantly as new requirements kicked in for direct-deposits,
higher minimum balances, etc.
Anyone who canât meet those requirements has to pay monthly account fees or
lose access to the banking system.
Doesnât it seem odd for someone to support the regulations that make it infeasible
to serve low-income people, and then talk about âfinancial inclusionâ and lament the
millions of Americans who are unbanked?
It reminds me of the story about the guy who killed his own parents and then asked
for leniency because heâs an orphan.
"Thatâs the real-world reality people live in every day."
Can we guarantee the SIF is better off because of this?
Nope.
And yet we are adding regulatory burden.
But two beneficiaries of this misguided interference are two interest groups:
1) those who benefit politically, and 2) members of the media, who get to
write click-bait articles that are often devoid of financial or business literacy.
We have already seen this happen.
It goes without saying that none of the people supportive of these policies
will be there with their own money to you offer a better deal when youâre
a few bucks short and desperately want to avoid a 500 dollar late fee.
Thatâs what will eventually happen.
Overdraft protection, in particular, will become less common.
Overdraft is when a credit union pays part of your bills for you when
your account doesnât have enough.
Anyone at a banking institution will tell you the most distraught
customers are not those whose bills were paid via overdraft, much as
they may not like the 30 dollar fee.
Nope, the distraught customers are those customers upset that a bill
wasnât paid due to insufficient funds, forcing them to pay much higher costs.
Anyone would rather pay 30 dollar than a 500 dollar late government fee.
What about someone in my position, a few years ago, who owed four thousand
dollar to my state government, and was forced to pay one thousand
dollars extra for being one day late.
If my account was a few bucks short of four thousand dollars, would I rather
pay a 30 dollar overdraft fee or the extra 1,000 dollars to the government?
Years ago, I was trying to live in an expensive city on 27,000 dollars a
year salary while paying student loans.
I went to go to work and saw that my car was gone and called the police.
Turns out it was towed for late registration.
Back then, I was constantly juggling payments trying to avoid
the highest costs of being broke.
The highest costs were, and are, invariably charged by the same governments
that lecture the private sector.
Governments charge fees and use coercive tactics that are significantly
worse than anything labeled a âjunk fee.â And yet, we rarely hear
about that from self-proclaimed âconsumer protectionâ advocates.
"We canât pretend that government artificially forcing down
the price of something wonât have major negative effects.
We also canât pretend that it makes sense for the N.C.U.A.
to make interest rate risk our top Supervisory Priority the same
year weâre pushing credit unions away from non-interest income."
Anyway, about my car that was towed: I wound up paying 6 times the registration
fee, after paying the government for impound costs and other charges.
But I was lucky, I had a salaried job and could call work and said
I couldnât come in that day.
Millions of Americans in that situation would lose a dayâs pay.
Then there are those whose government had towed their car or put a boot
on it, causing them to be late to work and thus violate their parole.
Of course, you would pay 30 dollar to avoid that.
Thatâs the real-world reality people live in every day.
Anyone whose account is slightly short of money would rather pay a 30 dollar
overdraft fee than miss the child support payment that is the only way they can get
visitation to see their kid that year.
Thatâs the real world.
I do agree there are only bad choices for those short of cash.
There may be policies to make life more affordable and less inflationary.
But the N.C.U.A.âs recent policy on overdraft and N.S.F.
fees is not among them.
We canât pretend that government artificially forcing down
the price of something wonât have major negative effects.
We also canât pretend that it makes sense for the N.C.U.A.
to make interest rate risk our top Supervisory Priority the same
year weâre pushing credit unions away from non-interest income.
Because no regulation or law passed by government repeals the laws of economics.
This concludes the statement.
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