WEBVTT 00:00:01.200 --> 00:00:03.750 Greg Pillar: I figured early on, I mean, again, the goal of this is 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:09.540 to amplify and, and really showcase Gardner-Webb and the experience that 00:00:09.780 --> 00:00:12.120 is on campus for students and everyone. 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:16.410 And so that really sort of anchored with me or set with me that. 00:00:16.994 --> 00:00:20.085 I need to make sure, I mean, it's not about me, it's about everyone else. 00:00:23.294 --> 00:00:26.475 Neil McPhedran: Welcome to Continuing Studies, a podcast for higher education 00:00:26.505 --> 00:00:28.604 podcasters to learn and get inspired. 00:00:28.994 --> 00:00:32.864 I'm Neil McPhedran, founder of Podium Podcast Company, 00:00:33.165 --> 00:00:35.685 Jennifer-Lee: and I'm Jennifer-Lee, founder of JPod Creations. 00:00:35.685 --> 00:00:37.335 Podcasting is broadcasting. 00:00:37.335 --> 00:00:39.945 We want you to know you're not alone, and in fact, there are many of you 00:00:39.945 --> 00:00:43.610 higher ed podcasters out there and we can all learn from each other. 00:00:44.540 --> 00:00:45.199 Neil McPhedran: Absolutely. 00:00:45.589 --> 00:00:50.690 Jen, I had a really interesting conversation with a friend who works in 00:00:50.690 --> 00:00:58.220 psychology and I was telling him about Higher Ed Pods and he was like, oh, 00:00:58.550 --> 00:01:06.289 that's cool, so can I go on there and search and see other psychology podcasts? 00:01:06.289 --> 00:01:07.310 I'm like, oh yeah, yep. 00:01:07.340 --> 00:01:08.300 We sort it that way. 00:01:08.300 --> 00:01:10.620 And then he's like, well, what about by a topic? 00:01:10.620 --> 00:01:12.690 I'm really interested lately in this certain topic. 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:13.500 Jennifer-Lee: Something nerdy. 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:13.560 Okay. 00:01:13.620 --> 00:01:16.260 Neil McPhedran: Research nerdy thing within psychology, which 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:18.390 is not my field of expertise. 00:01:18.390 --> 00:01:22.289 So that's this next thing that we're doing with Higher Ed Pods where someone 00:01:22.289 --> 00:01:29.430 like him who is not necessarily in higher education but is looking for academic, 00:01:29.610 --> 00:01:35.580 in this case, research focused topics, to be able to find podcast episodes. 00:01:35.580 --> 00:01:37.770 And he commutes an hour every day. 00:01:37.830 --> 00:01:43.125 For him podcasting is such an important part of his learning and everything. 00:01:43.225 --> 00:01:47.640 So anyway, this is our next, uh, thing that we are tackling with Higher Ed 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.220 Pods, which is functionality to query. 00:01:52.770 --> 00:01:59.460 And to be able to find episodes and shows specific to some of these topics, sort 00:01:59.460 --> 00:02:02.160 of deeper into research and whatnot. 00:02:02.220 --> 00:02:07.650 We've had an intern working for the summer who's a math major in university, and 00:02:07.650 --> 00:02:12.750 he's been helping to index a lot of the over 1200 podcasts we have in there now. 00:02:12.750 --> 00:02:13.690 So anyways. 00:02:14.085 --> 00:02:15.105 I'm excited about that. 00:02:15.375 --> 00:02:18.285 Jennifer-Lee: No, and something else that you're working on is gonna be 00:02:18.285 --> 00:02:25.295 here before you know it, is of course the round two of Higher Ed PodCon, 00:02:25.635 --> 00:02:32.055 coming in July in Cleveland, Ohio, and that's how we met our next guest, Greg. 00:02:32.595 --> 00:02:36.015 We're gonna chat with him and he has a lot of nice things to say about the 00:02:36.255 --> 00:02:42.299 inaugural Higher Ed PodCon, as well as, I think he's like a secret journalist 00:02:42.299 --> 00:02:47.070 because he has some really good questions that he asked during his podcast, 00:02:47.070 --> 00:02:49.079 so I can't wait to chat with him. 00:02:49.320 --> 00:02:49.560 Neil McPhedran: Yeah. 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:56.880 So we chat with Dr. Gregory Pillar, Greg, and he is the Assistant 00:02:56.880 --> 00:03:02.400 Provost for Academic Affairs at Gardner-Webb University. 00:03:03.250 --> 00:03:09.010 He launched The Bulldog Mindset, which is their main podcast. 00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:13.720 He is the host and was part of the team that founded The 00:03:13.720 --> 00:03:15.820 Bulldog Mindset last year. 00:03:15.820 --> 00:03:19.840 They had just finished their first season, so they're into their second season 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:25.450 of The Bulldog Mindset, and we jumped into a really interesting conversation 00:03:25.450 --> 00:03:31.815 with Greg about podcasting overall in academia, but really his experience in 00:03:31.815 --> 00:03:36.945 being part of year one and jumping into year two now of The Bulldog Mindset. 00:03:36.945 --> 00:03:38.475 So why don't we just jump into it, Jen? 00:03:38.715 --> 00:03:39.495 Jennifer-Lee: Yeah, let's get started. 00:03:41.595 --> 00:03:42.285 Neil McPhedran: Hello, Greg. 00:03:42.285 --> 00:03:46.215 Thanks for joining us today on the Continuing Studies podcast. 00:03:46.455 --> 00:03:47.235 Greg Pillar: Thanks for having me. 00:03:47.235 --> 00:03:47.690 Thrilled to be here. 00:03:48.615 --> 00:03:49.035 Jennifer-Lee: Yeah. 00:03:49.395 --> 00:03:55.605 Greg is another person that we decided to ambush in Chicago when we were 00:03:55.605 --> 00:03:57.865 doing the Higher Education PodCon. 00:03:57.885 --> 00:04:02.505 Actually, I think Greg was at my table, which I have to say, this whole 00:04:02.505 --> 00:04:07.125 networking thing that our Greg, that you've heard on the podcast before, 00:04:07.485 --> 00:04:09.225 said everybody sit down at a table. 00:04:09.225 --> 00:04:12.315 It was kind of like speed dating, and then I met Greg and a whole 00:04:12.315 --> 00:04:14.150 bunch of other people and I was like, come on our podcast. 00:04:15.510 --> 00:04:18.660 Greg Pillar: Higher Ed PodCon was fantastic and well beyond 00:04:18.660 --> 00:04:19.980 anything I could have expected. 00:04:20.760 --> 00:04:21.329 Neil McPhedran: Oh, I love it. 00:04:21.390 --> 00:04:24.270 The uh, speed dating thing was super interesting actually. 00:04:24.330 --> 00:04:27.090 What did you guys, 'cause the two of you ended up at the same table. 00:04:27.090 --> 00:04:28.710 That was an experiment we did. 00:04:28.710 --> 00:04:32.910 We had like a slot for networking and Greg took control there and 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:34.500 kind of forced people together. 00:04:34.500 --> 00:04:35.640 I thought it was kind of interesting. 00:04:35.640 --> 00:04:36.660 What did you two think? 00:04:36.870 --> 00:04:37.380 Greg Pillar: I loved it. 00:04:37.380 --> 00:04:42.270 I mean, although I'm an ambivert, so not quite extrovert, not really an introvert 00:04:42.270 --> 00:04:43.525 though at times perhaps more an introvert. 00:04:44.055 --> 00:04:47.115 It was a great way to just naturally have some conversations and get 00:04:47.115 --> 00:04:49.605 to know folks in podcasting. 00:04:49.665 --> 00:04:52.395 Although I've been in higher ed, podcasting is sort of a new 00:04:52.395 --> 00:04:55.695 thing for me, so that was, met a lot of people through that. 00:04:56.145 --> 00:04:59.570 Jennifer-Lee: We're glad you came because like I said, it was our first one and I, 00:04:59.575 --> 00:05:02.775 I like the idea of the speed dating in the afternoon because that's the hard part 00:05:02.775 --> 00:05:07.815 with any conferences is, uh, everyone gets tired because you're learning so much and 00:05:07.815 --> 00:05:09.915 you're socializing and you're networking. 00:05:10.155 --> 00:05:11.775 And of course we have many different people. 00:05:11.775 --> 00:05:14.115 We have ambiverts, we have extroverts, we have introverts. 00:05:14.115 --> 00:05:18.465 And so, I thought it was a really nice touch to be like, actually let's everybody 00:05:18.465 --> 00:05:22.335 sit down and just like chat for a bit before we went into more sessions. 00:05:22.335 --> 00:05:24.645 So I thought that was a great thing. 00:05:25.245 --> 00:05:25.635 Neil McPhedran: Great. 00:05:25.935 --> 00:05:31.455 So Greg, The Bulldog Mindset, the main podcast, that is basically your podcast. 00:05:31.455 --> 00:05:32.805 You're the host of et cetera. 00:05:32.835 --> 00:05:34.545 You've been part of a few other podcasts. 00:05:34.545 --> 00:05:37.305 Actually, you recorded something live at PodCon, but let's come back to that. 00:05:37.305 --> 00:05:42.825 But I'd love dig into The Bulldog Mindset as you've just, if I have it right, you've 00:05:42.825 --> 00:05:47.865 just finished your first season and with this new school year, you're kicking 00:05:47.865 --> 00:05:49.935 into your second season for the podcast. 00:05:50.745 --> 00:05:54.495 Greg Pillar: Yeah, so I guess a place to start was the spark for the podcast, 00:05:54.495 --> 00:05:57.885 The Bullock Mindset, came from our marketing and communication folks. 00:05:58.125 --> 00:06:01.785 They had heard that I had been on a podcast, I believe it was an episode 00:06:01.785 --> 00:06:06.045 of Accreditation Insights, and they came to me with an idea, or really 00:06:06.045 --> 00:06:07.305 just to see if I was interested. 00:06:07.305 --> 00:06:11.175 They've been wanting to do, they have a podcast network here at Gardner-Webb, 00:06:11.625 --> 00:06:16.155 but they've been looking for one that was sort of focused on the academic culture, 00:06:16.155 --> 00:06:17.870 the vibrancy of academics on campus. 00:06:19.230 --> 00:06:21.810 They reached out to me saying, Hey, would you be interested? 00:06:21.960 --> 00:06:26.730 And I've, fairly new to the institution, arrived here in January of this year. 00:06:27.150 --> 00:06:31.500 I'm someone that's always up for a good idea and see where it can take us. 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:37.350 So I was all in and working with them, we developed The Bulldog Mindset with the 00:06:37.350 --> 00:06:42.560 focus of trying to capture the voices, the academic experience at Gardner-Webb. 00:06:42.990 --> 00:06:44.310 We launched it in March. 00:06:44.430 --> 00:06:46.350 We rolled out our 15th episode. 00:06:46.979 --> 00:06:47.969 We're in season two. 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:50.130 I think we have about 12 episodes of season one. 00:06:50.609 --> 00:06:51.810 We've recorded a few more. 00:06:51.810 --> 00:06:53.460 So yeah, things are off to a great start. 00:06:53.640 --> 00:06:57.599 The name Bulldog comes from Gardner-Webb, is known as the Running Bulldogs, 00:06:57.989 --> 00:07:00.060 and that is our mascot as well. 00:07:00.090 --> 00:07:02.719 Bo the Bulldog is our mascot. 00:07:02.719 --> 00:07:06.810 And The Bulldog Mindset is one of several podcasts within the network. 00:07:07.080 --> 00:07:11.640 Within the episode, we do have a couple of special segments, uh, that we'll do, 00:07:11.729 --> 00:07:15.965 and as we've gone into season two we're trying to incorporate more student voices. 00:07:16.325 --> 00:07:20.895 season one was dominated by faculty and, and staff, with some students. 00:07:21.165 --> 00:07:24.285 And so we have some special segments, like the one I, particularly right 00:07:24.285 --> 00:07:27.195 now, is I'm really enthusiastic about is with students. 00:07:27.195 --> 00:07:30.885 It's called What's In Your Backpack, where we ask 'em either metaphorically 00:07:30.885 --> 00:07:34.125 or physically, what is a go-to item that you have in your backpack? 00:07:34.575 --> 00:07:37.815 And I love hearing their perspective and responses to that question. 00:07:38.385 --> 00:07:41.715 Neil McPhedran: Greg, who's the audience for The Bulldog Mindset. 00:07:41.715 --> 00:07:45.375 Obviously students is part of it, but I would imagine it's got 00:07:45.375 --> 00:07:49.185 a bit of a wider aperture beyond just students, is that correct? 00:07:49.304 --> 00:07:50.234 Greg Pillar: It does, yeah. 00:07:50.234 --> 00:07:53.625 I mean, the audience encompasses, I would say the Gardner-Webb community, 00:07:53.685 --> 00:07:59.895 so, and I say that both in terms of faculty, students, staff on campus, but 00:07:59.895 --> 00:08:03.445 also some of the early feedback I've received we have folks from Boiling 00:08:03.465 --> 00:08:07.875 Springs, North Carolina, about an hour west of Charlotte, North Carolina. 00:08:08.355 --> 00:08:12.105 So some folks in the community have picked up on it, which is awesome. 00:08:12.465 --> 00:08:18.615 But also it is intended for prospective parents, students who might be considering 00:08:18.615 --> 00:08:20.175 Gardner-Webb and come across it. 00:08:20.505 --> 00:08:24.285 We try to make the episodes such that, you know, they can definitely, if 00:08:24.285 --> 00:08:27.075 they were to listen to any one episode at any one time, where even a little 00:08:27.075 --> 00:08:30.525 bit of it, hopefully we can hook them in to listen to the full episode. 00:08:30.885 --> 00:08:34.875 But to come away capturing a little bit about what academic life and what just 00:08:34.875 --> 00:08:36.574 the experience is like at Gardner-Webb. 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:39.960 Jennifer-Lee: Your questions, I have to say, the fact that you really 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.020 wanna connect with the student and say what is in your backpack? 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.530 What is your favorite answer that you've had so far? 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:50.550 Greg Pillar: So early in the season, but two favorite answers. 00:08:50.550 --> 00:08:52.620 One was metaphorical, one was more physical. 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:57.120 The metaphorical one was, and so it goes, is what the student said as a mindset that 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.100 they have just to keep plugging along. 00:08:59.130 --> 00:09:04.439 And that came from a student who, although upperclassmen still came across, 00:09:04.530 --> 00:09:07.605 much wiser beyond his years in school. 00:09:07.935 --> 00:09:12.135 Physical item that someone pointed out in their pack was Aquaphor, sort of like, 00:09:12.135 --> 00:09:16.214 uh, cream that some folks use either as moisturizing or instead of Neosporin. 00:09:17.730 --> 00:09:18.540 It was unexpected. 00:09:18.599 --> 00:09:20.660 I just didn't expect that to be that a go to item. 00:09:20.660 --> 00:09:22.110 Neil McPhedran: Just in case something happens. 00:09:22.430 --> 00:09:22.820 Yeah. 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:26.610 Jennifer-Lee: All relatable to the target audience that you wanna talk to. 00:09:26.610 --> 00:09:27.420 Neil McPhedran: Absolutely. 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:32.880 So Jen and I have been doing this podcast for a little over two years now. 00:09:32.939 --> 00:09:37.980 It's just so fascinating to the evolution of podcasting, just even in, 00:09:38.010 --> 00:09:42.060 let's just say in the last two to three years, just becoming such an important 00:09:42.180 --> 00:09:47.265 communication tool that just, that just, just a little conversation we had about 00:09:47.265 --> 00:09:49.365 what's in your backpack is like such a, 00:09:49.485 --> 00:09:50.805 Jennifer-Lee: It's a deep conversation. 00:09:50.810 --> 00:09:51.555 Neil McPhedran: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:09:51.555 --> 00:09:52.515 That's what I was kind of thinking. 00:09:52.574 --> 00:09:55.455 Podcasting affords you the ability to do that. 00:09:55.875 --> 00:10:00.585 You can ask that question let's, without getting into the video, but if you stuck 00:10:00.585 --> 00:10:05.444 a camera in front of someone, it might be a different kind of experience to 00:10:05.535 --> 00:10:09.825 sort of answer some of that stuff, but you can do a little bit more without it. 00:10:09.825 --> 00:10:13.260 Sort of curious your thoughts on that, as in sort of maybe other learnings that 00:10:13.260 --> 00:10:15.180 are coming outta year one, season one. 00:10:15.630 --> 00:10:15.930 Greg Pillar: Yeah. 00:10:15.930 --> 00:10:20.550 Well, one of the things that I do in preparation for each episode is depending 00:10:20.550 --> 00:10:24.090 upon how well I know the student or staff or faculty member, I have a, I 00:10:24.090 --> 00:10:28.440 get some background information about them and I prepare a guest guide. 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.500 And so the goal is not, I don't want it to be prescriptive. 00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:35.310 I don't want it to be as if like we're reading things back and forth, but I 00:10:35.310 --> 00:10:38.840 also don't want them to feel like they're caught off guard or like it's gotcha. 00:10:39.550 --> 00:10:43.740 And so surprisingly, even though for the students, the guest guide, I do 00:10:43.740 --> 00:10:46.829 mention a couple of the questions that I always wanna make sure I ask. 00:10:47.189 --> 00:10:48.569 Like that's sort of the exception. 00:10:48.990 --> 00:10:53.100 The way I sort of try to pepper it though into the episode is, you know, 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:57.150 we may be talking about something a bit more light or something like that. 00:10:57.150 --> 00:11:00.630 And then, not that it's overly deep by any means, but it is, uh, to your 00:11:00.630 --> 00:11:03.405 point, you know, to what both of you have mentioned, it's a little 00:11:03.405 --> 00:11:05.565 bit of a deeper kind of question. 00:11:05.925 --> 00:11:09.135 And asking that question right after asking something that was a little 00:11:09.135 --> 00:11:12.855 bit lighter, it's a combination of where, you know, at a moment they're 00:11:12.855 --> 00:11:15.975 put a little bit on the spot, but I think you sort of capture just 00:11:16.035 --> 00:11:17.325 what comes right to their mind. 00:11:17.975 --> 00:11:22.365 And I've really enjoyed seeing their thought process as they're 00:11:22.365 --> 00:11:23.385 thinking about their answer. 00:11:23.745 --> 00:11:27.225 And it's clear that although they may have had in their mind what they were going 00:11:27.225 --> 00:11:31.575 to answer with, there still was a little bit of possibility that they might shift 00:11:31.575 --> 00:11:33.630 or say something, something different. 00:11:34.110 --> 00:11:37.110 Another question that I ask near the end of the podcast with them 00:11:37.560 --> 00:11:41.310 is, what do they hope to leave the next Bulldog or the next student? 00:11:41.340 --> 00:11:45.600 And that too is one that I've had a couple students when I asked that they paused 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.030 for a bit and they're like, oh, good one. 00:11:48.060 --> 00:11:52.020 As if they had no idea that was coming and recognizing that not, you know, just 00:11:52.020 --> 00:11:54.180 like students don't necessarily always read the syllabus, they're not gonna 00:11:54.180 --> 00:11:58.920 necessarily read the guest guide before we actually do the record I sort of 00:11:58.920 --> 00:12:01.350 point those questions out again to them. 00:12:01.355 --> 00:12:05.730 So, it's really been a learning experience going through season one 00:12:05.730 --> 00:12:09.900 into early stages of season two that I feel like I'm learning by the minute 00:12:10.020 --> 00:12:11.460 as I go through this experience. 00:12:12.090 --> 00:12:14.370 Jennifer-Lee: I just want you to touch a little bit more on that question. 00:12:14.370 --> 00:12:16.920 Do you have some examples that you can share? 00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:20.700 Uh, what they would leave the next Bulldog? 00:12:20.700 --> 00:12:21.990 'Cause I think that's just so powerful. 00:12:22.290 --> 00:12:22.680 Greg Pillar: Yeah. 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:28.020 So far in most of their answers, I think where they're coming from is, you know, 00:12:28.020 --> 00:12:30.510 they're either part of a club, a group. 00:12:31.050 --> 00:12:34.469 One student is a pre-med student, so he's part of a group of students 00:12:34.469 --> 00:12:38.459 who go through specialized pre-med advising to prepare for applying. 00:12:38.459 --> 00:12:41.310 I say pre-med, it's really pre-health 'cause it could be med school, pharmacy 00:12:41.310 --> 00:12:43.030 school, vet school and things like that. 00:12:43.530 --> 00:12:47.370 And it, it's clear that, you know, whether it's something like that or they're a 00:12:47.370 --> 00:12:54.000 residence assistant in the res halls they definitely want to impart on their fellow 00:12:54.060 --> 00:12:57.810 students, especially the underclassmen, genuine lessons that they've 00:12:57.810 --> 00:12:59.280 learned and what they've taken away. 00:12:59.670 --> 00:13:03.599 Whether it's a case of like, you know, don't wait till the last minute to 00:13:03.689 --> 00:13:07.079 complete this particular type of an assignment in this class, or do certain 00:13:07.079 --> 00:13:08.670 steps like going to the career center. 00:13:08.670 --> 00:13:11.430 Like don't wait until your senior year, junior year, start doing that 00:13:11.430 --> 00:13:12.689 your freshman year, sophomore year. 00:13:13.170 --> 00:13:19.319 What I take away from their answer is that they genuinely want to share something 00:13:19.319 --> 00:13:24.510 that they didn't expect to learn or they have learned, and they now want future, 00:13:24.510 --> 00:13:26.550 future students to benefit from that. 00:13:27.465 --> 00:13:29.085 Jennifer-Lee: Your questions are all powerful, Greg. 00:13:29.085 --> 00:13:31.905 Like I've been interviewing people for the last 20 years on radio 00:13:31.905 --> 00:13:34.875 and on podcasts, and it's taken me a long time to get there. 00:13:34.875 --> 00:13:39.315 But you're so new at this and how are you drawing inspiration 00:13:39.315 --> 00:13:41.505 for these great questions? 00:13:41.505 --> 00:13:43.275 Are they just coming to your mind? 00:13:43.275 --> 00:13:45.795 Do you have a secret background as a journalist? 00:13:45.825 --> 00:13:50.175 Greg Pillar: One of the things that I've done is listen to a lot of podcasts 00:13:50.325 --> 00:13:54.450 and I think it only amplified after I started this podcast because now 00:13:54.450 --> 00:13:57.120 I had a little bit more of a focus and intent, like, okay, not only am 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.050 I listening for the guest, but I'm trying to tune into the host and how 00:14:01.050 --> 00:14:04.830 they're approaching asking questions and how they respond to the answers 00:14:04.980 --> 00:14:06.840 and what I can pull away from that. 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.380 So, I mean, some of these questions, although they're not like verbatim 00:14:10.380 --> 00:14:14.700 like that, but I've picked up bits and pieces from, you know, other folks 00:14:14.760 --> 00:14:18.690 out there, actually one that I'll give credit to, Joe Sallustio, the, you 00:14:18.690 --> 00:14:20.400 know, from the Ed Up Experience, on. 00:14:21.330 --> 00:14:24.690 I believe at the end of many of his podcasts, they'll give the 00:14:24.690 --> 00:14:27.720 mic to the guests, you know, any final words, final thoughts? 00:14:28.110 --> 00:14:31.080 You know, anything we didn't get to or something along those lines. 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.400 And so equally with faculty and staff I have on the podcast, but also 00:14:35.430 --> 00:14:38.700 with students, I'll ask a version of that question as the very last one. 00:14:39.210 --> 00:14:42.675 And sometimes there can be some great things that come from there that maybe I 00:14:42.675 --> 00:14:47.055 missed and they really wanted to say, in one case, it even led to a student, I have 00:14:47.085 --> 00:14:48.915 one student who's been on twice already. 00:14:49.365 --> 00:14:52.395 A comment she made at the end of one led to definitely being like, 00:14:52.395 --> 00:14:53.475 oh, we need to have her on again. 00:14:53.625 --> 00:14:54.225 Neil McPhedran: I like that. 00:14:54.375 --> 00:14:56.685 So you don't work on this by yourself, obviously. 00:14:56.745 --> 00:15:00.675 We all know working in podcasting, it takes a team to do a podcast. 00:15:00.705 --> 00:15:04.995 So are you working with the central communications team 00:15:05.400 --> 00:15:07.199 from Gardner-Webb University? 00:15:07.199 --> 00:15:09.839 Is that who's basically sort of helping to execute and doing 00:15:09.839 --> 00:15:11.280 all the behind the scenes? 00:15:11.420 --> 00:15:15.180 Greg Pillar: Yeah, so huge shout out to my colleague, Noel Manning, 00:15:15.270 --> 00:15:18.660 who is our associate Vice President for marketing communications. 00:15:19.020 --> 00:15:24.360 He does have a little bit of background in both podcasting and radio and, and 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:29.579 film, and he does all the producing, editing, everything like that. 00:15:29.579 --> 00:15:33.689 So that makes my role even easier when I just need to, I do the prep 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:36.615 and I quote, unquote book the guests. 00:15:36.944 --> 00:15:38.834 We show up, we record. 00:15:39.194 --> 00:15:43.365 He does all the editing and all the backend stuff, and we go from there. 00:15:43.365 --> 00:15:46.425 So that really helps in considering the fact that I have 00:15:46.425 --> 00:15:48.900 a day job, that really helps. 00:15:48.990 --> 00:15:49.500 Neil McPhedran: That's great. 00:15:49.530 --> 00:15:54.630 And so the original mission for the podcast is, you know, came from that 00:15:54.630 --> 00:15:58.590 team and they had identified, you know, they wanted to have this voice that's now 00:15:58.590 --> 00:16:00.540 been created with The Bulldog Mindset. 00:16:00.540 --> 00:16:03.360 And so is there any sort of insights in there, just our audience 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.410 being so focused on podcasting in the higher education space. 00:16:07.830 --> 00:16:11.310 I know that there's probably some folks out there listening that would be sort 00:16:11.310 --> 00:16:14.610 of in a similar, well, thinking about it or just sort of starting their journey. 00:16:14.970 --> 00:16:18.120 Greg Pillar: Yeah, the person that came to me with the thought or idea about 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.990 it was our previous Vice President for marketing and community relations. 00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:27.900 Although he didn't go into great detail with what the impetus was for bringing 00:16:27.900 --> 00:16:33.240 up the idea, just that they've been wanting to have an academic podcast for 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.380 a while and just not the right person to sort of champion it and take it forth. 00:16:37.965 --> 00:16:40.965 It was something, looking at the podcast network that we have. 00:16:40.995 --> 00:16:41.205 Neil McPhedran: Yeah. 00:16:41.355 --> 00:16:44.085 Greg Pillar: Other than like the Coaches Corner, which is something that during 00:16:44.145 --> 00:16:48.975 football season and basketball season is they have on a very consistent kind of 00:16:48.975 --> 00:16:51.255 rotation after games and things like that. 00:16:51.735 --> 00:16:54.615 The other podcast they had on there were ones that they didn't 00:16:54.615 --> 00:16:56.505 necessarily have a set rotation. 00:16:57.150 --> 00:17:01.020 They would sort of, you know, as an idea came up or a opportunity 00:17:01.020 --> 00:17:02.790 came up, they would record it. 00:17:03.420 --> 00:17:08.339 And so the one thing that has definitely been part of a goal or hope of theirs is 00:17:08.339 --> 00:17:11.609 that I would say this is the first podcast they've had in a while that definitely has 00:17:11.609 --> 00:17:14.790 a regular consistent release of episodes. 00:17:14.790 --> 00:17:17.819 So we have about two a month or one every other week. 00:17:18.210 --> 00:17:21.599 And it's been that way since March and we went through the summer. 00:17:21.629 --> 00:17:24.960 Even though, you know, the school is typically out in the summer. 00:17:25.305 --> 00:17:29.745 Our goal, with the exception of maybe some particular holidays, our goal is to keep 00:17:30.045 --> 00:17:34.275 being consistent and going through, and I'm along for the ride for as long as it's 00:17:34.335 --> 00:17:38.475 achieving the goal or just really wasn't what they were hoping for, looking for. 00:17:38.715 --> 00:17:40.635 They'd say, thanks, Greg, appreciate it. 00:17:40.725 --> 00:17:41.715 Focus on your day job. 00:17:41.895 --> 00:17:43.635 But yeah, no, it's been a consistent drumbeat. 00:17:43.635 --> 00:17:47.325 Slowly but surely, I think we are building an audience and I've actually now had a 00:17:47.325 --> 00:17:51.555 couple people actually reach out with an idea for an episode, and so I love it. 00:17:51.555 --> 00:17:53.855 So even if they're not necessarily listening, they're 00:17:53.855 --> 00:17:55.245 definitely aware of the podcast. 00:17:55.905 --> 00:18:00.465 Jennifer-Lee: Well, Neil and I talked to a lot of universities and colleges and a 00:18:00.465 --> 00:18:02.024 lot of the podcasts you'd be surprised. 00:18:02.024 --> 00:18:05.504 They start off and then they go on for a long time and they continue to grow. 00:18:05.774 --> 00:18:09.585 And when the people leave the institute, they continue to grow with new people. 00:18:09.585 --> 00:18:12.645 You know, eventually, if you were to leave one day and the podcast was still going, 00:18:12.645 --> 00:18:17.565 what would you wanna leave the next person that was gonna take over the podcast? 00:18:17.895 --> 00:18:24.150 Greg Pillar: I'd wanna leave them a, a platform and a avenue that was 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:28.800 pretty much set for them to be able to get started, but not so set that 00:18:28.800 --> 00:18:33.570 they couldn't then bring in their own voice, their own angle to it. 00:18:33.990 --> 00:18:35.550 It wasn't an obstacle for me. 00:18:35.580 --> 00:18:38.190 I, I think the fact that we already had a podcast network, it wasn't like we were 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:40.080 trying to do this completely from scratch. 00:18:40.320 --> 00:18:40.680 Neil McPhedran: Right. 00:18:40.830 --> 00:18:45.270 Greg Pillar: And so, you know, it's not like I've reduced that bar that, 00:18:45.570 --> 00:18:49.995 you know, that could give folks pause before they would want to take on 00:18:49.995 --> 00:18:53.085 the endeavor, but it'd be something attractive enough that someone would 00:18:53.085 --> 00:18:56.955 definitely wanna be like, oh, I wanna pick up, you know, where you've left off. 00:18:57.345 --> 00:19:00.795 But then also for them to realize though they're not trying to force 00:19:00.795 --> 00:19:05.325 themselves into Greg's podcast, that, that they have the ability 00:19:05.325 --> 00:19:07.995 to make it into, into their own. 00:19:07.995 --> 00:19:11.115 And I don't know, I'm really excited to see where this continues to evolve, 00:19:11.535 --> 00:19:14.205 whether it's, you know, there's a couple other folks on campus who I 00:19:14.205 --> 00:19:18.210 would think, I would love to help grow the Gardner-Webb podcast network. 00:19:18.629 --> 00:19:21.300 There's a couple other areas where I think they, they really should have their own 00:19:21.300 --> 00:19:26.190 podcast, and I've been told we, we have a, a separate podcast studio in our library 00:19:26.730 --> 00:19:30.990 that students can use, and not only does it have the podcasting equipment, 00:19:30.990 --> 00:19:34.560 it has computer there with software to do all the editing, everything. 00:19:35.040 --> 00:19:38.160 The library staff or the dean of the library is now looking to try 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:43.110 to find a space for a second one because of how popular that space is. 00:19:43.485 --> 00:19:46.185 Jennifer-Lee: That's such a great resource for students because even something 00:19:46.185 --> 00:19:48.885 that Neil and I talk a lot about on the podcast, and actually it was brought 00:19:48.885 --> 00:19:55.245 up at Higher Ed PodCon, is that because the job markets are getting so hard to 00:19:55.245 --> 00:19:59.565 get into, no matter your experience, or even if you're entry level, a lot 00:19:59.565 --> 00:20:04.875 of people are using podcasts, even if they're limited series to get a job. 00:20:04.875 --> 00:20:08.385 It is just a way to build relationships with the people 00:20:08.385 --> 00:20:11.325 that you want to be hired by. 00:20:11.715 --> 00:20:12.014 Greg Pillar: Yeah. 00:20:12.315 --> 00:20:16.149 Well, it, it's a great way to really cultivate your own skills. 00:20:16.690 --> 00:20:19.170 I mean, I've been in higher ed for 20 plus years. 00:20:19.530 --> 00:20:22.860 First as a faculty member and then more recently as an administrator. 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:27.000 And so, you know, speaking in front of groups, public speaking is something that 00:20:27.270 --> 00:20:32.135 over time I continue to learn, continue to get better at doing it, podcasting and 00:20:32.175 --> 00:20:34.530 being a host, a whole different ballgame. 00:20:35.010 --> 00:20:38.910 And it, it's funny, when I listened to the first couple of episodes, Noel's been 00:20:38.910 --> 00:20:45.030 very patient and supportive, I cringe at hearing myself as I'm talking with 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:50.760 the number of ums and ahs and stuff like that, and I've been determined and slowly 00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:52.980 but surely I do feel I'm improving. 00:20:53.429 --> 00:20:56.370 And these are skills, you know, sort of spontaneous speaking. 00:20:56.909 --> 00:21:01.199 Being able to speak in this kind of format is absolutely a skill that 00:21:01.199 --> 00:21:05.010 would serve me well as I continue on in higher ed or go elsewhere. 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:07.800 And so I think that's another benefit for students. 00:21:08.115 --> 00:21:11.895 Or even other faculty and staff alike, if they were to go into the podcasting, it 00:21:11.895 --> 00:21:13.635 can really help with skill development. 00:21:13.965 --> 00:21:15.375 Jennifer-Lee: Well, and you hit it right on the head. 00:21:15.375 --> 00:21:18.915 It's a valuable skill no matter if you go further on. 00:21:19.185 --> 00:21:24.135 And regardless of where AI takes us, communication is still something you're 00:21:24.135 --> 00:21:28.575 gonna need to know how to do, even if you're communicating with the AI. 00:21:28.875 --> 00:21:31.065 And that is a skill that we're learning. 00:21:31.065 --> 00:21:33.975 So I always tell people, crack on mic, even if you never air 00:21:33.975 --> 00:21:35.625 it, it just helps you get better. 00:21:35.835 --> 00:21:36.405 Greg Pillar: Absolutely. 00:21:37.290 --> 00:21:41.460 Neil McPhedran: I think there's so much to, you know, Greg, you gave a couple 00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:46.470 of really good examples, but there's so much in podcasting beyond, I'm 00:21:46.470 --> 00:21:53.160 just gonna have a career in media, for students to tackle and to be part of. 00:21:53.190 --> 00:22:00.120 Just even that process you go through of preparation where you're learning about 00:22:00.120 --> 00:22:04.020 the person you're going to interview and you're ready to have a conversation 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:06.720 with them is applicable in life. 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:08.940 Greg Pillar: And being agile and adaptable. 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:12.030 I mean, the thing I've seen as being the most difficult part of 00:22:12.030 --> 00:22:16.860 this has been how I respond to the answers that I get from the guests. 00:22:17.100 --> 00:22:18.810 And I don't know ahead of time what they're gonna say. 00:22:19.320 --> 00:22:23.130 There have been a couple episodes early on where I realized the whole episode 00:22:23.130 --> 00:22:27.240 seemed like me peppering them with questions, you know, question, answer, 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:31.560 question, answer, and realizing that, no, I want this to be more of a conversation. 00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:35.250 I want this to be more engaging for the audience, even though 00:22:35.250 --> 00:22:37.470 they're not, like, it's not live, they're not physically there. 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:42.330 So working on that skill of, you know, on the moment, okay, this is what their 00:22:42.330 --> 00:22:44.639 answer was, what's a good follow up? 00:22:44.639 --> 00:22:48.290 Or how do I, you know, move the conversation from that point. 00:22:48.509 --> 00:22:49.770 Been very invigorating. 00:22:49.770 --> 00:22:50.180 I love it. 00:22:50.840 --> 00:22:51.720 Neil McPhedran: That's great. 00:22:52.139 --> 00:22:55.260 The other thing I'd like to sort of go back on and touch what you said a few 00:22:55.260 --> 00:22:59.370 minutes ago, which is there's a couple of ways into these podcasts, isn't there? 00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:03.870 You know, we've talked to different folks across the university academia 00:23:03.870 --> 00:23:10.230 spectrum, so in some ways in, you know, in some instances it is about the host. 00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:18.360 It is a subject matter that is squarely in their wheelhouse and it's their podcast. 00:23:18.975 --> 00:23:23.145 But the beauty of podcasting is, and you presented the other way to look at this, 00:23:23.205 --> 00:23:25.905 is you're building The Bulldog Mindset. 00:23:26.175 --> 00:23:28.935 You didn't blink when Jen asked you the question, what happens if, you 00:23:28.935 --> 00:23:30.465 know, when you move on kind of a thing. 00:23:30.465 --> 00:23:32.985 Like that's obviously something you've, at least I gleaned from your 00:23:32.985 --> 00:23:34.545 answer, something you've thought about. 00:23:34.754 --> 00:23:38.565 And I think what, essentially, what you are building with the team there 00:23:38.565 --> 00:23:43.875 is the voice, as you've said, but a channel that whether or not you are 00:23:43.875 --> 00:23:46.365 the host of it or not, it can carry on. 00:23:46.875 --> 00:23:50.250 And I love how you're bringing in, you said that you wanna bring in 00:23:50.250 --> 00:23:54.419 student voices as well, so it's just an interesting lens that I sort of wanted to 00:23:54.899 --> 00:23:57.149 lean into a bit that you had mentioned. 00:23:57.540 --> 00:23:57.750 Greg Pillar: Yeah. 00:23:57.750 --> 00:24:01.860 Well, and like I said from the start, they gave me wide creative 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:03.450 control, which has been great. 00:24:03.450 --> 00:24:07.620 I'm sure if I went down certain roads or channels that were off 00:24:07.620 --> 00:24:10.290 the road, they might be like, no, we need to steer you back. 00:24:10.290 --> 00:24:15.915 But I figured early on, I mean, again, the goal of this is to amplify and, 00:24:15.919 --> 00:24:19.890 and really showcase Gardner-Webb and the experience that is on 00:24:19.890 --> 00:24:21.900 campus for students and everyone. 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:27.120 And so that really sort of anchored with me or set with me that I need 00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:29.920 to make sure, I mean, it's not about me, it's about everyone else. 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.930 And you know, the one part that's a little bit difficult is I'm someone 00:24:33.930 --> 00:24:37.650 that sometimes in conversations with people, especially in some cases, if 00:24:37.650 --> 00:24:40.500 they're, you know, this is the first time I'm really sitting down with 00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:45.330 them is, is I try to relate, is to give like, oh, that's a great point. 00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:49.980 I have the similar example that I can relate to that point, but realizing 00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:55.830 that every time I do that, I'm sort of shifting that attention away from them. 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:02.940 And so the goal really is to bring my own kind of humor and approach to it. 00:25:03.389 --> 00:25:07.740 But if I do the job well, especially as I continue to learn and get better at this, 00:25:08.235 --> 00:25:13.515 before I pass this along to anyone else, it truly is something that I may have been 00:25:13.515 --> 00:25:16.250 the facilitator, I'm not the main thing that people are remembering about it. 00:25:16.935 --> 00:25:17.715 It's the guess. 00:25:17.715 --> 00:25:19.335 It's how it makes them feel. 00:25:19.335 --> 00:25:20.145 It's the campus. 00:25:20.235 --> 00:25:20.625 Jennifer-Lee: True. 00:25:20.625 --> 00:25:22.395 It's never about you really. 00:25:22.395 --> 00:25:23.535 In many things in life. 00:25:23.535 --> 00:25:24.435 It's never about you. 00:25:24.435 --> 00:25:27.015 I think that's a good life lesson that we should always take. 00:25:27.105 --> 00:25:29.235 Always about serving others. 00:25:29.235 --> 00:25:33.585 I would love to have Greg back on and see how he's doing in a year and where it's 00:25:33.585 --> 00:25:39.135 heading, because I didn't realize you are such a newbie, but you feel like a pro. 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.610 Neil McPhedran: Yeah, I know. 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.240 Greg Pillar: It's amazing how, I probably listen to more podcasts 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.700 than I do watching TV easily. 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:49.560 And so I'm a sponge. 00:25:49.590 --> 00:25:53.550 I try to learn what I can and you know, I, I have listened to your podcast. 00:25:53.550 --> 00:25:57.030 I've listened to so many on the Ed Up Experience, and I've listened 00:25:57.030 --> 00:26:00.840 to a lot other ones out there, and some not even just in higher ed, I 00:26:00.840 --> 00:26:03.360 mean outside of higher ed, but yeah. 00:26:03.945 --> 00:26:07.785 Neil McPhedran: It's such a great medium, especially in the 00:26:07.785 --> 00:26:11.085 higher education academic world. 00:26:11.115 --> 00:26:16.004 It's this direct voice from each of the campuses essentially, and the 00:26:16.004 --> 00:26:21.100 schools within the campuses and the individual professors within those 00:26:21.100 --> 00:26:25.330 schools, it's an opportunity to have that direct voice from those folks. 00:26:25.330 --> 00:26:28.389 And it's not about how big the audience is necessarily, but it's the audience 00:26:28.389 --> 00:26:30.520 that sort of matches what the topic is. 00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:33.730 Jennifer-Lee: Podcasting is a tool beyond the listens. 00:26:33.820 --> 00:26:36.850 Greg, you, you've said that pretty much throughout this whole interview, 00:26:36.850 --> 00:26:40.389 but before we go, Neil touched upon something at the beginning. 00:26:40.670 --> 00:26:44.690 You said you were doing some live shows at the Higher Ed PodCon? 00:26:45.290 --> 00:26:48.410 Greg Pillar: Yeah, no, as I mentioned, before I started The Bulldog Mindset, 00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:52.700 um, I had the opportunity to be a guest co-host on a couple episodes of 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:56.870 the Ed Up Experience, and I've also had a chance to connect with Lori 00:26:56.870 --> 00:27:01.790 Sanderson, who is one of the hosts for Ed Up Accreditation Insights. 00:27:02.330 --> 00:27:05.300 One of the areas of expertise I have in higher ed is accreditation. 00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:10.710 First having been a guest on their podcast a couple times, she's invited me back to 00:27:10.710 --> 00:27:14.040 be a co-host with her on several of them. 00:27:14.399 --> 00:27:17.490 And so yeah, at Higher Ed PodCon, that was the first time I got to meet 00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:19.830 her in person, which was phenomenal. 00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:23.550 But then since they had podcasting set up, we decided to jump on and 00:27:23.550 --> 00:27:28.320 we recorded a short 15, 20 minute episode of Accreditation Insights. 00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:32.520 So that was true Improv podcasting right there. 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:33.390 Neil McPhedran: That was great. 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:37.740 It was really neat to see that mic set up used a few times during the day. 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:42.210 We weren't sure what was gonna happen with it leading into the day. 00:27:42.750 --> 00:27:46.230 We had talked about setting something up and just having it there. 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:51.780 Definitely will be part of year two and I think folks seeing it there may 00:27:51.780 --> 00:27:54.420 sort of come a little bit more prepped. 00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:55.560 I know, you're totally right. 00:27:55.590 --> 00:27:57.780 It was spontaneous and you guys took advantage of it, 00:27:57.780 --> 00:27:58.530 which I thought was great. 00:27:58.870 --> 00:28:00.000 We'll include that next year. 00:28:00.210 --> 00:28:02.340 Greg Pillar: No, I, it's funny, my background's environmental 00:28:02.340 --> 00:28:05.860 chemistry and I've been to countless academic conferences in my career. 00:28:06.790 --> 00:28:10.260 And I will say, and this, so this is outside my discipline, but you know, 00:28:10.260 --> 00:28:14.370 in, in an area that I have passion for and an interest in growing. 00:28:14.790 --> 00:28:19.590 I definitely came away from that, from Higher Ed PodCon, far more connections, 00:28:19.590 --> 00:28:24.090 far more knowledge, far more action items than any other conference I'd 00:28:24.090 --> 00:28:27.450 been to probably in my academic career. 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.990 And it's one of those things that I, although I have the podcast right now 00:28:31.020 --> 00:28:34.020 for Gardner-Webb, you know, it's one of these things where these other podcasts 00:28:34.020 --> 00:28:37.620 I get a chance to do, whether it's as a guest like on yours or as a guest cohost. 00:28:38.295 --> 00:28:41.024 Someday I could see it when that time does come for me to move on to The 00:28:41.024 --> 00:28:44.295 Bulldog Mindset, I definitely have interest in having my own podcast. 00:28:44.325 --> 00:28:47.835 Right now, still probably in, about higher ed, but having something separate and 00:28:47.835 --> 00:28:50.865 this has given me that foundation I need to be confident enough and knowledgeable 00:28:50.865 --> 00:28:52.034 enough to be able to do that. 00:28:52.935 --> 00:28:54.195 Jennifer-Lee: It's like you're already ahead. 00:28:54.195 --> 00:28:54.735 Neil McPhedran: There you go. 00:28:54.764 --> 00:28:58.215 Well, Greg, thank you so much for joining us today and for 00:28:58.215 --> 00:29:00.250 sharing about your experience. 00:29:00.315 --> 00:29:00.885 That was great. 00:29:00.885 --> 00:29:04.455 That was wonderful to chat with you again and to get some more 00:29:04.455 --> 00:29:06.195 insights into The Bulldog Mindset. 00:29:06.795 --> 00:29:07.005 Greg Pillar: Yeah. 00:29:07.005 --> 00:29:10.275 No, both of you, Jennifer, Neil, thank you so much for this opportunity. 00:29:10.305 --> 00:29:11.175 I really appreciate it. 00:29:11.805 --> 00:29:12.555 Jennifer-Lee: Yeah, thank you. 00:29:15.225 --> 00:29:15.615 Neil McPhedran: Jen. 00:29:15.675 --> 00:29:16.365 That was great. 00:29:16.395 --> 00:29:18.825 That was a good conversation we had with Greg. 00:29:18.885 --> 00:29:24.375 As we talked about, we both met him in Chicago at PodCon and cool to 00:29:24.375 --> 00:29:28.335 hear him say so many positive things about PodCon, but more so just to 00:29:28.335 --> 00:29:30.345 sort of dig into The Bulldog Mindset. 00:29:31.770 --> 00:29:33.480 Jennifer-Lee: I just love his question. 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:39.180 Curious to know like what is in your proverbial backpack, Neil, as a podcaster? 00:29:40.350 --> 00:29:43.380 Neil McPhedran: I've got extra cords in my backpack usually that 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.260 I carry around just in case I have to plug my computer into something. 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:52.409 Jennifer-Lee: I would say prep would be in my proverbial podcaster backpack because 00:29:52.409 --> 00:29:53.610 Neil McPhedran: That was a better answer. 00:29:53.790 --> 00:29:54.340 Jennifer-Lee: I know. 00:29:54.390 --> 00:29:54.900 Sorry. 00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:56.040 I thought of that on the fly. 00:29:56.370 --> 00:30:00.330 Because what we learned from Greg is like, doesn't matter who you are 00:30:00.330 --> 00:30:03.450 at the beginning of your stage or later in your podcast and career, 00:30:03.780 --> 00:30:08.370 prepping no matter what, for your podcast, for your interview, if 00:30:08.370 --> 00:30:12.870 you're getting a job, prep is very important to anything you're doing. 00:30:13.409 --> 00:30:15.120 Neil McPhedran: Yeah, that's a good point Jen. 00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:16.220 And it was interesting. 00:30:16.710 --> 00:30:24.510 He is, since he started the podcast and to this day, he talked about 00:30:24.510 --> 00:30:25.920 how that prep was important. 00:30:25.950 --> 00:30:29.129 Even though along the way he's changed his style a little bit. 00:30:29.430 --> 00:30:32.610 As he mentioned, he's gone from sort of being question, answer, question, 00:30:32.610 --> 00:30:37.260 answer, more sort of straightforward and, but he's tried to really be cognizant, 00:30:37.260 --> 00:30:42.570 he was mentioning, about introducing more conversational style into that. 00:30:42.899 --> 00:30:47.100 That didn't mean less prep, that didn't mean, oh, let's just sort 00:30:47.100 --> 00:30:48.899 of see where the conversation goes. 00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:55.260 He still has a very focused plan to prep and to be prepared to the guest 00:30:55.350 --> 00:31:01.800 and has some key questions that he likes to ask for each episode, even 00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:06.270 though he's sort of tried to evolve into more of it being more conversational. 00:31:06.284 --> 00:31:08.610 So, back to things we've talked about. 00:31:08.610 --> 00:31:14.280 You know, even if you're trying to make your podcast sound less formulaic 00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:18.210 and more sort of conversational, you still need to be prepared. 00:31:18.600 --> 00:31:22.800 Jennifer-Lee: I like that he talked about listening to other podcasts. 00:31:22.860 --> 00:31:23.160 Neil McPhedran: Oh yeah. 00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:26.130 Jennifer-Lee: And I can't stress enough is listening to podcast. 00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:28.575 I know a lot of people don't like to hear their own voice and he even mentioned it. 00:31:29.430 --> 00:31:32.040 But listen to your podcast, especially if you're new. 00:31:32.610 --> 00:31:35.100 That's only how I got better on radio. 00:31:35.100 --> 00:31:37.080 And then eventually podcast is by listening. 00:31:37.080 --> 00:31:40.470 Because if you don't know what you're doing, how do you know to correct? 00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:45.750 So I thought Greg was like leaps and bounds ahead of everybody, which. 00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:46.050 Neil McPhedran: Yeah. 00:31:46.260 --> 00:31:46.860 Yeah, you're right. 00:31:47.100 --> 00:31:51.300 He even mentioned he listened back to a first couple of the episodes of his own 00:31:51.300 --> 00:31:54.060 podcast and what he took away from that. 00:31:54.120 --> 00:31:56.550 Jennifer-Lee: We don't like doing it, but you should listen 00:31:56.550 --> 00:31:58.439 to yourself all the time. 00:31:58.439 --> 00:31:59.220 On that note. 00:31:59.575 --> 00:32:02.965 Thank you for tuning into the Continuing Studies podcast, a podcast 00:32:02.965 --> 00:32:04.915 for higher education podcasters. 00:32:05.335 --> 00:32:08.515 We hope you found this episode informative and inspiring. 00:32:08.515 --> 00:32:11.935 If you enjoyed the show, we encourage you to follow and subscribe to our 00:32:11.935 --> 00:32:15.235 podcast on your preferred platform, so 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