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This episode's a little bit different.

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It's a project that matters to me,
and I hope you find value in it.

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Over the years, I've sat across from
a lot of people on this podcast,

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people with experience, scars, wins,
failures, and the depth that comes

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from actually living their life
rather than simply talking about it.

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As this year comes to a close, I reached
out to a small group of past guests and

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friends who've made a real impression
on me and on this show, I asked them one

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question, when everything else fades,
what do you want to be remembered for?

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That might sound simple,
trust me, it's not.

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I intentionally left this
question open-ended so people

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could answer as they saw fit.

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The question is designed to cut
past achievement, past reputation,

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past social media, and I hope it
lands somewhere raw and honest.

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What you're about to hear are their
answers in their own words, uninterrupted.

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This episode is chaptered.

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You can listen straight through
or you can jump to the voices

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that resonate with you the most.

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There is no right or wrong way to
listen to this, and as you hear

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their answers, my hope is that you
ask yourself the same question.

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Don't rush through it.

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Don't judge yourself.

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Just simply notice what comes up,
because whether we articulate it or

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not, we're already living an answer.

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We're first going to hear from Kyle Lamb.

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Most people know Kyle as a former
Delta force soldier who fought in

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the Battle of Mogadishu, which was
portrayed in the movie Black Hawk Down

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or through his company, Viking Tactics.

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Kyle's as real as they come.

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He's got the rare ability to cut through
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be said plainly and without posturing.

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After we finished recording his episode,
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pressure, the microphones or an audience.

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And in that space, I saw a deeply
human side of Kyle, and he shared

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insights and observations that
I still carry with me today.

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For that, I'm genuinely grateful.

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So Travis reached out to me and he had
this simple question that he wanted

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to ask me, and he said, just send me a
video about this pretty simple question.

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When everything else fades, what
do you want to be remembered for?

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And how did you come to see it that way?

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Wow, what a, what a softball question.

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It's almost as simple as, what's your
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or what's your favorite ice cream?

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Of course, mint chocolate chip.

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Favorite football team.

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Don't watch football.

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But this question really, really
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me start to, to reflect and think.

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And he also, you know, asking,
how did I get to this conclusion?

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Um, I've traveled the world doing
some exotic things, being in the

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military and, and serving our country.

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And I think that's helped me with my
perspective to answer this question.

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I promise you it's not anything about
how many clicks on social media.

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It's not how famous, how much
money you have in the bank.

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It has nothing to do with that.

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I think for me, when everything fades,
that sounds kind of sad to me when

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you say everything fades, but I think
about how I'm gonna be perceived by my

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grandkids, which is super important.

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My kids almost equally as important.

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And of course the most
important for me is my wife.

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As I've gotten older, all of those
have become more important to me.

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Now, maybe that sounds terrible
to say that, but I've been married

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now for 39 years, and I can tell
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I did when we first got married.

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My kids have gotten older and
I'm able to have conversations

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with them that I'd never thought
I would have with my children.

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And then the grandkids, they just
keep getting better with age.

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One of my buddies told me one time,
he said, you know, I remember my

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grandpa and he was not a very good guy.

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He wasn't nice.

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He was really mean.

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And when he said that, I thought, I don't
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say, man, my grandpa, he wasn't very nice.

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He was mean.

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So how do we get around that?

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Well, for me, I'm a Christian.

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I pray about it and we all get uptight.

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For me, I'm, I am in the public a lot and.

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One of the things my wife and
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the public saw me in private?

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And that sounds crazy because
usually it's the other way around.

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But for me, when I'm in public,
I, I have to put on a happy face.

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I have to meet people and
I have to do that thing.

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And when I come home, it's
time for me to, to decompress.

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And sometimes I'm not real easy to
be around when I'm decompressing.

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That's why I do a lot of hunting
and fishing, because I can get

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out in the woods or on the river
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back in the right head space.

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And I think that that kind
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When everything fades, it's gonna
be just you and your family.

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It's gonna be your loved ones.

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It's not gonna be a bunch of glitter and
flashing lights and, you know, accolades.

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Oh yeah, I was in the Army.

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Well, big deal.

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That's a, that's a life a long time ago.

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That's the first part of my life.

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What am I gonna do with the
second and third part of my life?

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The other thing that happened, and
this kind of hit me too on Travis's

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podcast, when I went on his podcast,
I talked about my brother-in-law

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that was given six months to live.

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And I told my wife, I said, what
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told you had six months to live.

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And she said, I'm doing it right now.

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And that struck me because at that point
I wasn't doing what I would want to do.

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If I had six months to live,
I'll happily report now.

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I am doing that.

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So perspective is, perspective is key.

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And I'm 57 years old.

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It's taken me a while to figure this out.

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But hopefully some of you young men
and women out there, when you see this,

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maybe you can get to the the finish line
to be squared away sooner than I did.

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And I still got a lot of work.

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There's a lot of things that I'm
trying to improve in my life, but

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I wanna make sure that I take care
of my grandkids, my kids, and my.

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I have a lot of friends too, and
I, and they mean a lot to me.

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But when it really, really
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is gonna be there till the end.

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I hope.

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I hope and pray that, that they'll be
there till the end with me and with you.

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So that's all I got, Travis.

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Not much, uh, maybe not too insightful
there, but for me, I, I pray about it

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and try to get the guidance from the,
from the man and, uh, drive on for there.

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It's not easy.

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It's, it's good I think to have a mission.

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And that's probably another thing
I guess I should throw in here.

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I see a lot of veterans, they struggle.

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They, they don't have a mission
when they get retired or they

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get medically discharged from the
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That's one of the other things that
I do, is I try to stay focused on a

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mission, whether it's writing a book,
doing a video for Travis, uh, teaching

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a class, going hunting or fishing,
treat everything like a mission.

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So they have some kind of focus there.

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That's also how I've
applied this to my family.

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It's a mission and I have got
to be there for my grandkids.

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They, my, my grandkids adore me
when I'm a good dude and they don't

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adore me when I'm not a good dude.

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And they speak very openly
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And it's been a great, it's just
been a great experience to take my

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grandson shooting, hang out with my
granddaughter 'cause they're so honest

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and, uh, they've got me back on track.

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So hopefully I'll stay on track.

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I appreciate all you guys
listening out there, Travis.

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Thanks for playing.

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Stump the jump there and uh,
it's almost Christmas time.

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God

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bless all of you.

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Next we've got Amy Madams.

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To say that Amy is one of a kind,
is a hell of an understatement.

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She's one of those people who
surprises you because underneath

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that effortlessly funny persona is
a sharp, deeply intelligent mind.

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She's brave in her willingness to speak
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What I appreciate most about Amy is
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She lives it.

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She asks good questions, she
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does it with warmth and humility.

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Check one, two, Travis.

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Check one, two.

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So just wipe my, not we just, hello?

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Yeah.

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How are you?

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That's, are you fly fishing?

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I am.

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Yeah.

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Who, what?

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What can we do to catch here?

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Any course fish at the minute,
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So like chub there?

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There, there's no trout here, right?

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There's trout.

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Not in this section.

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They're like few and far between.

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Further up.

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But do you fly fish?

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No.

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No, not really.

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I've got a, I've got a question for you.

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Yeah.

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Do you mind if I film you quickly?

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Sorry.

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Do you mind if I film you quickly?

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I've got a question

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who thought this was gonna happen?

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So I've been asked yet, when everything
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wanna be remembered for in your life?

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Sorry, I can't hear you.

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When everything's gone and you are dead,
what do you wanna be remembered for?

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Oh no, that's fine.

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Well, I've only got three minutes, so

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I dunno.

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I hope people gonna remember
me as a good person, I guess.

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And what's your name?

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Hubert.

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Hubert.

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He's a good person or was a good person?

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Well, he is still a good person
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But for how long?

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Who knows?

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'cause I day's a number.

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Have a good one.

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Thanks Hubert.

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Cheers.

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So when everything does fade, eventually,
um, me personally, I won't be remembered

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for anything and neither will you.

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Ultimately, no one's
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What's his name?

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Howard.

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See, I've already forgot.

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But what he said was poignant kindness.

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You can choose to be trauma time,
or you can choose to be a kind

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person, and those choices will
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Choose to be kind,

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tight lines.

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Next we have Colin Doer.

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Colin was horrifically mauled
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it off with his pocket knife.

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Then he uses one good leg to pedal his
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where he helped carry out his own rescue.

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That episode was recorded in Colin's
home, and it was the first time that

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story had been shared on a podcast.

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It was a difficult conversation, for sure.

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A great deal of that conversation was
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revisiting that experience required an
immense amount of courage from Colin.

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At one point, I told Colin we didn't
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simply go for coffee instead, but he
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others could benefit from what he had
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Colin's not a big man standing beside him.

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I look like a Sasquatch, but his
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Travis answer to your question.

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When everything fades, how
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How did I come to that conclusion?

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Well, when everything fades, and
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concerned about being remembered.

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Um, but I did decide a long time
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uh, that what I wanted to do was,
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uh, on Earth during my time here.

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Uh, essentially be good to your neighbors
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community and a positive atmosphere.

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Um, because sometimes the world seems
troubled, uh, but there's a lot of

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good people, and I wanna be one of 'em

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Also, when my time comes
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Well.

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I wanna die with dignity and with
myself, my family and friends

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at peace with the situation.

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I believe this for a long time,
uh, probably inspired in part by my

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grandmother, uh, who had a case of cancer.

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And after seeing her husband, uh, fight
it and die, uh, she, uh, chose after a

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couple of treatments, uh, to just accept
her fate and let the cancer take her.

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Uh, it was a long process, you
know, about a year or more.

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Uh, but it gave family time and to
accept the, the terms and, uh, deal

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with the situation and brought us
together and thought it was really

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bold and noble thing that she did.

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Uh, and, uh, having survived the bear
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Um, I believe in that,
uh, it's okay to go.

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And we don't get to pick our time.

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Um, but within reason, uh, we can
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uh, to navigate the situation.

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I first met April Vokey on a set
of Aate Eater podcast recording.

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There's a small group of us and
well, some people are excited

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to talk with Steve or Giannis.

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I found myself more interested in
hearing from this woman who grew

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up in my hometown of Sury bc.

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April's passion for the
outdoors is palpable.

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It's matched by a level of
professionalism that you don't often

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see, especially in a space that
can reward flash over substance.

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Her podcast anchored is one of the top
outdoor and fishing podcasts in the world.

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Through Anchored Outdoors, she's built
a strong community, inspired more people

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to step into the world of fishing than
all, most anybody that I can think of.

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Travis Bader coming in hot
with the insightful questions.

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This one being, when all else
spades at the end of the day, what

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would I like to be remembered for?

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My answer to that has
changed a lot over the years.

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There was a time when I really
would've wanted to have been remembered

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as being maybe one of the greats,
uh, or one of the most passionate.

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Now my answer is I think I know my
answer is I would like to be remembered

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as somebody who tried her best, unap
and unapologetically tried her best.

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Somebody who figured out along the
way that I was going to make mistakes

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and was never gonna make everybody
happy, but I was doing something

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that I love and fully believe in.

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And how did I come to figure this out?

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Uh, getting.

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Beat up along the way enough, I think,
and, and learning the hard way that, um,

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I really could only make one person happy
in all of this, and that was myself.

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And if I was fortunate enough to build
a community or have anybody else around

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me find some enjoyment in some of
the projects I delivered, or the, um,

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businesses that I built, that, that
would really be the ultimate dream.

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And so, yeah, that's my answer.

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It's a long-winded, dis winded way of
saying, I just wanna be remembered as

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somebody who tried her hardest and really
dedicated herself to this sport of fly

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fishing that I, I, I firmly wanna stand
on that and provided a voice to people

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who maybe otherwise didn't necessarily
have a voice at a time when the internet

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and social media was becoming widespread.

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I, I would like to, I would like to.

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To be seen as somebody who really went
out of her way to share the spotlight,

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if you will, on people who are far more
talented than I am, uh, with people

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who are just as passionate as I am.

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So I hope that that answers your question.

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I first met Jason Budd when as a
youth at the Vernon Army Cadet Camp.

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Jason went on to serve
with the British Army.

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And over the years, we've recorded
episodes that explored his highs and

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his lows, his special forces selection
process, and his life in the mountains.

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Jason is the person who introduced me
to the world of mountaineering today.

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He's an I-F-M-G-A mountain Guide.

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That's a qualification that
represents years of rigorous

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training and real world experience.

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It's a professional standard held by a
very small number of guides worldwide.

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He lives his passion daily and
he shares it through his company,

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countless Mountain Guides, helping
others experience the mountains with

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humility, competence, and respect.

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Alright, Trav and Corp family.

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Interesting question you posed.

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Travis had me pondering for some time.

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It's getting busy, so I thought I'd
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my camera long and think about it.

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But yeah, answer to your question,
how do I want to be remembered?

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I think when everything else
fades, I wanna be remembered

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as the guy that showed up

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over 15 years in military service.

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15 years of service in Vancouver,
fire and rescue, numerous years

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in Squamish Search and Rescue.

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Those experiences in years shaped

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and formed how I view things now.

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Ultimately, I'm down in service of others.

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Serving didn't just become a job
for me, it became a way of life.

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These days, I'm hanging out
in the mountains guiding.

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It's a different world,

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but the core principles remain the same.

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Looking out for folk leading well

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and helping people through challenges
that can even be a bit risky at times.

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And ultimately, that's
what it come down to,

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service of others.

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It's a thread that runs deep in me,
and when it's all said and done.

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And we're pushing daisies.

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I think that's what I want to
be remembered the most for.

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Hope that's answered your question,
Traub, and I look forward to

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catching up with you soon.

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Well, the best TRA and Civil Corps family,

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Vos first episode on the Silver
Core Podcast marked an inflection

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point for the direction of the show.

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Something fundamentally shifted in
me in how I understood my role as a

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podcaster and what the show could become.

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Seb is a true leader, not because of
what he demands from others, but because

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of how he lifts people up through his
example and the size of his heart.

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He is the embodiment of a warrior
philosopher, a man grounded in

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faith, guided by principle, and
willing to shoulder responsibility

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quietly rather than seek recognition.

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Alright, take number 976.

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The question that Travis posed is a very
challenging one and is one that I've

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struggled with for many, many years.

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It, it sort of ties into this, this
concept of legacy in the human term

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or in the earthly term and the concept
of legacy itself is a, is a pretty

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flawed concept in my, in my opinion.

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I think it's mostly rooted in pride
and ego, which we're all prone to, that

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includes me, but I think it's a far
cry between realizing that we're prone

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to it and keep it, keep it in check,
and really reassert what it is that's

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important for us when it comes to be

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remembered.

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So

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both from a

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philosophical and spiritual
standpoint, I think there's much

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to be desired when it comes to

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introspecting deeply on what it is that
we wanna be remembered for or if, if

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there's even value in being remembered for
anything from dust to dust, so to speak.

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I know for me it's definitely morphed
over the years how I got there.

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I'm not exactly sure.

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Am I there?

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That's another question
I'm not exactly sure about.

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Is there even a there, I wanna take
it, um, a bit deeper, but for me,

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I think when it comes to legacy, I
see legacy as a collective endeavor.

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What have I done to contribute positively?

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To the spiritual or to the spirit of
humanity, if that makes any sense.

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What have I done that necessarily
doesn't, doesn't need to be assigned to

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me, but is leaving its indelible mark

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on people that are in turn leaving
their indelible mark on others.

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What are some of the the positive
things that I contributed to the

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greater good without necessarily
those things being known or to have

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been attributed to me specifically?

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And am I okay leaving this place
knowing that I've done the best I could

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to contribute to the collective fabric?

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If the answer is yes, then from dust.

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For my name to be remembered in
itself or for my picture to be

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posted somewhere or for, for me,
having some sort of meaningful

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physical trace of my being in this

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challenging earthly journey
is pretty irrelevant.

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I have no personal inclined
to have that habit.

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Weirdly,

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I have no need to take a sharp, a
sharp blade and carve my name on a

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tree as I see it more as injuring
the tree, as being more important.

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Prioritizing that over me, carving my name
for others to know and see and remember.

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So I guess I'd be somewhat disingenuous
in saying that I don't want to be

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remembered fondly by those that I
love and those who love me, my close

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ones, my kids, my extended family,
my friends for as long as they live.

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It would be nice for them to remember
me as a person that was kind, a person

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that was loving, the person that made
a ton of mistakes or was introspective

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enough to learn from them and try to

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elevate spiritually during its
time in this, in this planet.

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And I don't mean elevate above other,
I mean elevate in relation to who

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they once were because what's the
point of that journey if it isn't

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for a, some sort of elevation?

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I believe this place is a refinement.

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Spiritually speaking.

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And I think that failing to do that
is, um, is, is a failed proposition.

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Of course, part part of it is altruistic
and wanting to do it for others, and

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part of it is self-serving in that it
gives you life purpose, which helps

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in negotiating this, this earl of Lee
and challenging journey called life.

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So I guess in the end, I would
love those that love me to

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remember me in a positive light.

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And,

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and if, if such is the case, then
I surmise that they will contribute

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to other people's journey in a
positive light as well, because

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people that receive love generally,
I. Are the ones proliferating it.

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And so

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if this is all the fabric of
humanity ever remembers of me,

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I suppose I will have accomplished
part of my earthly mission.

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At least that's the way I see it,

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how I got here.

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By being introspective in all realms
of my human experience, of all realms

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of my earthly journey, all of them
physically, mentally, spiritually,

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be introspective.

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And, and also all of this is anchored in
the outmost sense of gratitude for having

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had the opportunity to even be here for
the air in my lungs, for all the little

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things from being in the farm today,
filming this video and baking in the sun.

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I don't remember once taking,

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taking things of, of this world
for granted and all of all the

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things that I did take for granted.

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I eventually

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paid the price for it,

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but all of this was part of the refinement
process and it led me to this, answering

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this question in the way that I am today.

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All of the mistakes, all of the
introspection, all of the refinement,

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all of the failing over and over
again, and now try to do it better,

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hurting some people along the
way, hurting myself along the way,

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herling the fabric of humanity,

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and also healing it as it were.

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That's how I got here, I think.

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Next we hear from Kevin Cosan,
creator of the hit Show from the wild.

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Kevin is exceptionally thoughtful.

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He's someone who takes the time to
talk things through, whether it's

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helping me think about the best
places in Alberta to live based on

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my interests or simply asking better
questions than most people do.

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What Kevin shares
through his work is rare.

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He presents food and hunting in a way that
is artistic, honest, and deeply human.

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There is care behind it.

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And you feel that when you watch his work?

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It's a weighty question there, Travis.

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Um,

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how would I want to be remembered?

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Um, what do I want to be remembered for?

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Um, I guess the, there's no, there's
no other answer for me other than

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the contributions I've made, the
dent I made in the food culture, uh,

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of the nation I live in and value,
um, and the world, I guess, um,

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that that's mattered
to me for a long time.

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And.

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And then it started to occur, um,
and it, it became obvious that, uh,

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what seemed like a pipe dream of
actually making a difference in, in

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a space, uh, was actually feasible.

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And then I learned that I was l
embodying that life that, um, that

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could help others, uh, I guess, gain
some of the insights, uh, as to what

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that gives you other than, you know,
calories or a, a rack on the wall

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or a fun trip with your buddies.

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Um, the outdoors, I've witnessed
it, uh, hosting, guiding people and

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it being transformative for them.

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One thing that has recurred a few times,
um, especially with women, is, uh.

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Being shown around the world, around the
nature space and coming to understand

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that everything that you need is there,
uh, from your shelter to what keeps

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00:30:52,785 --> 00:30:55,815
you warm, to what keeps you fed, to
the cocktails you're gonna drink that

466
00:30:55,815 --> 00:31:00,254
night, to your tea, to your, you know,
whatever, any, anything really that

467
00:31:00,254 --> 00:31:03,675
you need, uh, exists in that space.

468
00:31:03,705 --> 00:31:12,465
And I've seen it give people deep senses
of surety, uh, of operating in a world

469
00:31:12,465 --> 00:31:18,915
that can otherwise feel very manufactured
or that it's hard to find place, or

470
00:31:18,915 --> 00:31:23,775
that you're dependent on others for
everything from your income to your heat.

471
00:31:23,775 --> 00:31:26,805
And, you know, that warms you
to the calories in your body.

472
00:31:26,805 --> 00:31:30,075
Like you're, you're kind of, um,
kind of can see where it would

473
00:31:30,075 --> 00:31:31,485
rattle and unsettle people.

474
00:31:31,485 --> 00:31:35,520
And I've found since I was a young
adult, I really, I. Uh, gravitated

475
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,679
towards the ability to be independent.

476
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:41,520
And it wasn't 'cause I was in the prepper
or survivalist kind of zone at all.

477
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:49,770
It was mostly just the, the wanting
to be, uh, capable and, um, a

478
00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:52,590
capable human in this planet.

479
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:54,929
And I found that, um,

480
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,139
that all the lessons I needed to
learn really were out in the bush

481
00:32:01,409 --> 00:32:04,439
or out on the ocean, or out in the
field in the grasslands or somewhere.

482
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:12,780
Uh, and, and that slowly piece by piece
you, I've accumulated a, a very vast, uh,

483
00:32:13,169 --> 00:32:18,629
body of work of, at this point, 12 seasons
of a show that document that journey.

484
00:32:18,629 --> 00:32:22,590
I don't really care at all if someone
remembers me for a recipe, that

485
00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:26,970
to me would be dialing it down to
the most base of, of its purpose.

486
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:32,700
The real point is trying to
inspire people to slow down.

487
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:41,010
To be present, uh, to be aware, to know,
to, uh, want to know that if there's

488
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:45,480
something that you were, uh, unaware
of or don't have a skill that you then

489
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:47,820
that's on your to-do list and get to it.

490
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,390
Uh, and to, and to maybe be a, an
example of somebody who prioritized

491
00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:58,440
that over a lot of other things
that people, uh, tend to value

492
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,060
that I just don't quite understand.

493
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:04,860
Um, the older I get, the less I understand
pop culture in general, but 'cause I'm

494
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:10,830
just too busy over in my lane, uh, uh,
focused on uh, natural world stuff.

495
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:24,000
But, um, I hope that, that, that, uh,
inspiring people to, um, to get outside

496
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,030
and relate to nature differently is, is
the outcome of that work and of my life

497
00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:31,350
work, which I guess is kind of my life.

498
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
How did I come to, uh, see it that way?

499
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:41,190
Only after a very long
integrative period of time.

500
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,389
I've worked with a lot of people in
the field now, and I've had a lot of

501
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:47,100
feedback on how it impacts people.

502
00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:50,790
Uh, and it took a lot of time to
realize that we weren't just out

503
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:54,720
there goofing around and having fun
and eating plants and hunting deer.

504
00:33:55,350 --> 00:34:00,000
Um, that it, it, we were, we
were changing lives, uh, which

505
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,450
sounds really, I don't know,

506
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:09,690
self gratuitous or whatever,
but it's, it's not that.

507
00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:13,710
It's like you're changing the lives
of the people who, who are becoming

508
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:20,429
self-sufficient, independent, um,
feeling like they have a place.

509
00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:26,550
Uh, and there's a lot of those people
I thought I was like the one weirdo

510
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,909
that was just like to play outside
of his kid and, and needed to.

511
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,839
Feel like I could, I could be there, you
know, like I, I, I belonged as a person

512
00:34:36,839 --> 00:34:41,819
or as a human, or as a man in that, in
that environment, um, in the outdoors.

513
00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:45,120
And, uh, it felt like something
that would be like this achievement

514
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,380
to get to the, that point.

515
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:49,350
But I learned that there's a lot
more to it than just knowing how to

516
00:34:49,350 --> 00:34:51,150
operate a chainsaw or shoot a gun.

517
00:34:51,929 --> 00:34:56,969
Um, there's, there's knowing how
to determine ripeness of fruit,

518
00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:58,230
knowing what plants are toxic.

519
00:34:58,230 --> 00:35:03,779
There's knowing that almost the entire
ecosystem is edible and, and which shrubs

520
00:35:03,779 --> 00:35:06,450
you'd want to eat when and which ones
you'd want to use to smoke your fish.

521
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:13,109
Um, it's knowing the seasonality
and when to walk out and expect to

522
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:16,440
find certain things and when to not
expect us to find certain things.

523
00:35:16,859 --> 00:35:24,795
And, and the big one is, um, for me, I.
Uh, the ability to step into anywhere.

524
00:35:24,885 --> 00:35:29,445
Now, I guide blind a lot now, meaning I go
into places that I've never been before in

525
00:35:29,445 --> 00:35:35,175
North America and, um, and even recently
in Europe and have to noodle my way

526
00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:40,035
around an ecosystem and piece it apart.

527
00:35:40,245 --> 00:35:42,855
And that took a long
time to learn how to do.

528
00:35:42,855 --> 00:35:47,235
But o once you're able to do that,
to walk into the, uh, natural world

529
00:35:47,235 --> 00:35:51,585
and understand, okay, so there's my
nuts and there's my fruit, and there's

530
00:35:51,585 --> 00:35:53,085
the stuff that'll go into my dessert.

531
00:35:53,175 --> 00:35:56,535
And that's the stuff that if
someone is needs pain medication,

532
00:35:56,565 --> 00:35:57,615
that's they're gonna use.

533
00:35:58,155 --> 00:36:00,555
Um, and I'll build with
that and I won't with that.

534
00:36:00,555 --> 00:36:04,185
And I know why, and I know how to,
uh, once you get into that zone,

535
00:36:04,185 --> 00:36:07,275
you just feel, it's just a, you
just feel differently as far as

536
00:36:07,275 --> 00:36:08,865
how you operate on this planet.

537
00:36:10,515 --> 00:36:12,735
And, uh, that was, that took time.

538
00:36:12,735 --> 00:36:14,175
That was not something I was seeking.

539
00:36:14,805 --> 00:36:19,125
It was an outcome, an unanticipated
outcome of my body of work and

540
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:24,465
my way of my operating system,
which is very seasonal flow.

541
00:36:24,495 --> 00:36:29,025
My entire year flows around seasonality of
the natural world, which is super weird.

542
00:36:29,805 --> 00:36:33,765
And that was, again, never by design,
but it's just how my life works now.

543
00:36:34,335 --> 00:36:36,585
Um, yeah.

544
00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:37,995
So it was a slow transition.

545
00:36:38,445 --> 00:36:42,315
We did have one critical moment,
uh, a number of years ago,

546
00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:43,995
a lot of years ago actually.

547
00:36:43,995 --> 00:36:49,245
We were on an elk hunt and
we were failing finding elk.

548
00:36:49,605 --> 00:36:52,755
We were up around Grand Prairie
in Alberta and just couldn't try,

549
00:36:52,815 --> 00:36:56,445
couldn't hear elk, couldn't find track,
couldn't do anything, just failing

550
00:36:56,445 --> 00:36:57,285
and feeling pretty bad about it.

551
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,310
Uh, for ourselves.

552
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:03,300
And, uh, came upon, we just stopped the
vehicle and was gonna, we're gonna turn

553
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,960
around and go somewhere else and came
upon a huge patch of like white on a

554
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,870
hill and it was mushrooms and I'd, I knew
enough mushrooms that the one, it happened

555
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:16,290
to be the one I grew up picking, which
was Shaggy mains or Rinus, come ATIs.

556
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,790
And, um, we thought, ah,
we don't need mushrooms.

557
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:21,480
We're after elk.

558
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:23,400
You know, that's what real hunters do.

559
00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,130
And then decided, you know what,
let's just take a time and, and

560
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:27,150
pick some mushrooms right now.

561
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:32,250
And we had a moment on that hill of
like, interesting, we're picking,

562
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:35,910
we were gonna say no to 30 or
40 pounds of fresh mushrooms.

563
00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:40,560
Um, just because we were looking
for something else instead of

564
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,340
being aware and open-minded about
what's present in the ecosystem.

565
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:49,560
And we learned to coin the term
like, like on offer by nature instead

566
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,170
of being present to what's open.

567
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,580
What's on offer by nature.

568
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:56,070
We were, we were just obsessive
about a singular thing.

569
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:59,220
That moment we kind of broke and
said, screw it, screw elk hunting.

570
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:00,120
If we see an elk, fine.

571
00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:03,630
And we went home with like two or
three white-tailed deer and a black

572
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:05,910
bear and a bunch of gross, and a
bunch of mushrooms and a bunch of

573
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:09,240
fruit and realized, holy crap, we've
been, we've been doing this wrong.

574
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:11,160
We've been hunting a thing.

575
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,940
Instead of entering an ecosystem at a
whatever time of year and and embracing

576
00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:21,420
whatever happens to be there, you're
there to just look around and be present

577
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:24,690
and be open to different outcomes.

578
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:28,020
And, uh, and it, that
required a lot of us.

579
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:31,950
'cause we had to know what they were
and how to pick them and how to cook

580
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,360
them and how to put them into drinks.

581
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:40,770
So anyway, I guess that kind of conversion
from how to go hunt or fish or pick a

582
00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:49,260
thing to, how to enter an ecosystem and
just flow with it as a. Piece of it, um,

583
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,480
is what I hope people take away from my
career and which is my life work somehow

584
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,780
ended up with a life that, um, is highly
attuned, heavily geared into my life work.

585
00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:05,070
So, um, that, that is what I
hope I'd be remembered for.

586
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:09,330
And, uh, that's, that's a loose
handle on how I arrived at it.

587
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:17,250
Kelsey Sheeran is a reminder not
to judge a book by its cover.

588
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:21,090
If you only know Kelsey through
social media, you might expect

589
00:39:21,090 --> 00:39:23,070
a firecracker in person.

590
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,120
She's measured thoughtful and
grounded in a way that surprised me.

591
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,720
When I first met Kelsey, I
didn't know what to expect.

592
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,460
What I found was someone who brings care
and integrity into hard conversations.

593
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:39,420
I've been asked many times to speak
about certain events in my life, on

594
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:42,570
other podcasts, things I've never
spoken about on the Silver Corp

595
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:44,730
podcast, and I've always declined.

596
00:39:45,465 --> 00:39:46,815
That changed with Kelsey.

597
00:39:47,835 --> 00:39:50,715
We recorded an episode for her podcast.

598
00:39:51,405 --> 00:39:54,435
It was difficult for me to do,
but the fact that I trust her

599
00:39:54,615 --> 00:39:57,825
made it easier, and I believe
the conversation can help others.

600
00:39:58,665 --> 00:39:59,505
Thank you, Kelsey.

601
00:40:00,915 --> 00:40:04,815
So Travis asked when everything else
fades, what do I wanna be remembered for?

602
00:40:06,045 --> 00:40:08,985
And how did I come to see it that way?

603
00:40:09,045 --> 00:40:14,685
Well, when everything else fades,
I wanna be remembered for somebody

604
00:40:14,685 --> 00:40:19,365
who told the truth, uh, especially
when it's been inconvenient and

605
00:40:19,365 --> 00:40:22,605
incredibly costly and very lonely.

606
00:40:23,355 --> 00:40:27,555
And as somebody who didn't abandon
people, and I don't abandon

607
00:40:27,555 --> 00:40:31,305
people in their darkest moments,
I refuse to abandon myself either.

608
00:40:32,535 --> 00:40:36,165
Uh, this doesn't come from
confidence, and it simply just

609
00:40:36,165 --> 00:40:37,545
comes from fracture meaning.

610
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:43,470
I've gone through hell and back, and
that is not emotive or facetious.

611
00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:46,860
That is literally the subtitle
of my book for a reason.

612
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:51,600
I grew up inside a system that and
just like many of us did, that has

613
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,520
rewarded nothing other than silence,
and it really just punishes honesty.

614
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:04,080
And when I think about strength being
measured and how much I want to be

615
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,910
remembered for things, I want to be
remembered because I decided to endure

616
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:11,340
it all instead of just staying silent.

617
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,600
When loyalty often means compliance.

618
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:19,470
I want the pain of the things
I've been through and what I've

619
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:23,520
been carrying to actually mean
something and move something forward.

620
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:26,760
And for a long time, I played the role.

621
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,170
I learned how to push through,
how to perform competency.

622
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,080
I learned how to be useful, reliable,
and quite quiet and invincible, believe

623
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,210
it or not, a lot of the times, and
from the outside, it looked just simply

624
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:46,985
like strength, but inside something
was eroding and this is what happened.

625
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:52,140
When injuries change you and trauma
changes you, loss simply will

626
00:41:52,265 --> 00:41:56,430
change you in a way that is frankly

627
00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:01,950
one of the hardest things
I'll ever go through.

628
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,100
And many of us have gone
through loss and trauma.

629
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:09,270
If you're listening to his incredible
show, you will know that he doesn't

630
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:11,910
interview people who have fluffy stories.

631
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:14,760
He interviews people who
have gone through things.

632
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,600
I've watched what happens when
people are broken and then asked

633
00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:20,550
to pretend that they're not.

634
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:26,250
And when they're medicated or minimalized
or managed, instead of being listened to.

635
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,010
I even received recently my medical
records and saw what my, some of

636
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:33,450
my staff actually thought of me.

637
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:36,270
And it was heartbreaking.

638
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,240
I've watched people lose their sense
of self long before they chose to end

639
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,950
their lives, and I felt myself heading
in that direction for a really long time.

640
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:51,630
And what really cracked me open
and changed me wasn't one moment.

641
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:58,050
It was the slow accumulation of change,
being told not to ask certain questions,

642
00:42:58,050 --> 00:43:01,620
being encouraged to move on before
anything had been metabolized, and being

643
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:06,690
praised for being resilient while I was
actually struggling and dying inside.

644
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:11,550
And at some point I realized that
survival wasn't the same thing as living.

645
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:18,600
I don't know the moment, but I would
say it was right around 20 19, 20 20.

646
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:23,850
And my silence, uh, was not at all.

647
00:43:24,629 --> 00:43:25,680
Wanted or needed.

648
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,049
It was something that I felt like I
was inside my body and I was frankly

649
00:43:31,049 --> 00:43:34,230
screaming, but I just couldn't get loud.

650
00:43:35,399 --> 00:43:43,350
So I started telling the truth, not
the, you know, truth, everyone wanted

651
00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:44,790
to hear, but the reckless truth.

652
00:43:45,845 --> 00:43:49,230
Truth, not just saying it, but
being loud about it and being clear.

653
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:53,520
I started naming things that
made rooms uncomfortable.

654
00:43:53,549 --> 00:43:58,500
I started choosing accuracy over approval,
and I started walking away from places

655
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:03,750
and people that required me to lie about
what I was experiencing in order to stay.

656
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:07,890
It cost me my friendships, my
relationships, my certainty, and my

657
00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:11,759
belonging, but it gave me something
back that I haven't had in a long time.

658
00:44:11,759 --> 00:44:12,720
And that is myself.

659
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,339
And over time, my definition
of strength and resilience has

660
00:44:17,339 --> 00:44:19,589
changed because strength is.

661
00:44:20,955 --> 00:44:24,915
Something that I was willing to feel
without collapsing and to speak without

662
00:44:24,915 --> 00:44:30,015
needing to be dominant, but just
to speak at all and to stay present

663
00:44:30,495 --> 00:44:34,845
when it would be easier to just numb
myself, outsource my responsibility,

664
00:44:34,845 --> 00:44:36,285
and disappear behind some role.

665
00:44:37,995 --> 00:44:44,384
And if I am remembered for anything
in this life, I hope it's that I

666
00:44:44,384 --> 00:44:46,665
didn't abandon truth for comfort.

667
00:44:47,595 --> 00:44:54,375
I didn't exploit someone's pain, mine or
anybody else's for status or sympathy.

668
00:44:55,725 --> 00:45:01,935
It's that I made it safer for people to be
honest about what they were carrying, even

669
00:45:01,995 --> 00:45:06,105
if it didn't fit the approval narrative
that was going around at the time.

670
00:45:08,775 --> 00:45:11,714
This question really made me think
about what I wanna be remembered for

671
00:45:11,714 --> 00:45:16,335
outside of the titles that we give
ourselves in life, whether it's our work.

672
00:45:17,175 --> 00:45:19,425
And I learned something recently
about what the Japanese do.

673
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:20,925
They don't ask you what they do.

674
00:45:20,985 --> 00:45:22,185
They ask you why you wake up.

675
00:45:24,795 --> 00:45:29,625
So I wanna be remembered as
somebody who was present and

676
00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:31,995
there who asks the hard questions.

677
00:45:31,995 --> 00:45:37,245
And not because I wanted to provoke
uncomfortable conversations, but because

678
00:45:37,245 --> 00:45:44,265
I refuse to accept the shallow answers
to the deeper suffering of our world.

679
00:45:46,005 --> 00:45:49,605
I wanna be remembered as somebody who
believed that healing wasn't about

680
00:45:49,605 --> 00:45:54,825
erasing my past, but integrating it
as somebody who understood the meaning

681
00:45:55,575 --> 00:45:59,925
isn't found by bypassing and going
around the darkness, but walking

682
00:45:59,925 --> 00:46:03,975
through it and sitting with it, talking
with it, and making friends with it.

683
00:46:05,415 --> 00:46:07,695
My eyes painfully wide open.

684
00:46:10,485 --> 00:46:14,055
I don't wanna be remembered as
somebody who was impressive or

685
00:46:14,055 --> 00:46:16,275
agreeable or easy to be around.

686
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,910
Somebody that knew it all
or could fix everything.

687
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:27,450
I just wanna be remembered as somebody
that was painfully, uncomfortably real.

688
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,259
I wanna be remembered as somebody
who stood for real dignity of the

689
00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:39,210
individuals of these institutions that
keep failing us as somebody who's chose

690
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,120
presence over some stage performance.

691
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:46,020
And as somebody who didn't
and refused to look away.

692
00:46:47,549 --> 00:46:51,450
Because when everything else fades,
whether it's the noise, the rules, the

693
00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:56,520
titles, the arguments, or all of the
things we choose to do on a daily basis,

694
00:46:56,904 --> 00:47:03,930
what remains as whether I lived in
alignment with what I truly knew to be

695
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:09,000
true, not authentic, but real alignment.

696
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:15,360
And I really do hope and intend to be
remembered as somebody who did just that.

697
00:47:17,174 --> 00:47:22,125
So thank you to Silver Core and
Travis for always in my darkest

698
00:47:22,125 --> 00:47:27,884
days and my hardest days for giving
me a platform to tell my story, to

699
00:47:27,884 --> 00:47:29,595
making me feel heard and remembered.

700
00:47:31,545 --> 00:47:38,325
And I really do hope one day when
I'm no longer here, that when people

701
00:47:38,325 --> 00:47:45,105
look back, because this stuff never,
never seems to be erased, I can be

702
00:47:45,105 --> 00:47:49,185
remembered for somebody who was honest,
even if it made you uncomfortable.

703
00:47:50,924 --> 00:47:51,404
Thanks, Travis.

704
00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:56,040
Next we hear from Sean Taylor.

705
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:01,500
Sean is a former jtf, two special
forces, tier one operator, and a 24

706
00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:04,140
hour solo mountain bike world champion.

707
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,440
He was sitting across from
me at his kitchen table.

708
00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:11,130
I had the light set up, the
camera's rolling, the audio live,

709
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:13,860
and I remember feeling nervous.

710
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:14,555
Who did?

711
00:48:14,595 --> 00:48:18,540
I think I was sitting there with all
this gear and calling myself a podcaster.

712
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:22,020
It's taken me years to become
comfortable with that term.

713
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:25,800
Later, Sean told me that
he felt the exact same way.

714
00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:29,700
In that moment, he was carrying
his own sense of imposter syndrome.

715
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,760
That realization has stayed with me.

716
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:34,980
Sean is incredibly humble.

717
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:38,880
Like a number of guests on the Silver
Corp podcast, he's dedicated his life to

718
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,080
helping others become the best versions of
themselves without seeking the spotlight.

719
00:48:44,235 --> 00:48:48,135
After we finished recording, we found
ourselves deep in conversations about

720
00:48:48,135 --> 00:48:50,175
whether we lived in a simulation or not.

721
00:48:50,475 --> 00:48:54,345
And if that question grabs you,
I definitely recommend checking

722
00:48:54,345 --> 00:48:58,455
out the collective podcast where
Sean shares more of his thinking.

723
00:49:00,315 --> 00:49:00,705
Testing.

724
00:49:00,705 --> 00:49:01,095
Testing.

725
00:49:01,095 --> 00:49:03,105
1, 2, 3. Travis timestamp.

726
00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:06,075
Good afternoon everyone.

727
00:49:07,215 --> 00:49:10,515
I'm gonna read you a script that I
just put together for Travis based

728
00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:14,295
on a question that he'd asked me
a couple of weeks ago, which was

729
00:49:14,295 --> 00:49:17,895
when everything else fades, what
do you wanna be remembered for?

730
00:49:18,315 --> 00:49:20,175
And how did you come to see it that way?

731
00:49:20,595 --> 00:49:23,895
My apologies based on the
cafe background noise.

732
00:49:23,955 --> 00:49:25,515
I have some time compression.

733
00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:29,775
For the last couple of weeks, I've been
thinking about how to answer that in a

734
00:49:29,775 --> 00:49:31,935
way that might actually land with people.

735
00:49:32,205 --> 00:49:37,005
In simple terms, I want to be
remembered for one thing that I left

736
00:49:37,005 --> 00:49:39,015
people more capable than I found them.

737
00:49:39,525 --> 00:49:42,435
Not impressed by me, not
inspired for a moment.

738
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:47,100
Capable throughout the rest of their
life based on something I said or did.

739
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:50,790
That understanding didn't
arrive all at once.

740
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:56,100
It was formed over the long, long arc of
pressure beginning in tier one, special

741
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:59,820
operations in Canada's elite military.

742
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:05,370
Through a variety of organizations
responsibilities and moments that stripped

743
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:07,740
me down to a fundamental identity.

744
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:12,030
And through the long quiet nights where
I had to measure the distance between

745
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:14,220
who I was and who I said I would be.

746
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:20,310
Part of my path was learning to trust my
internal signal over the external script.

747
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:24,720
I've never lived the traditional
predictable trajectory assigned

748
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,340
to someone with my background.

749
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:30,510
I've shaped my life by listening
to what feels true, even when

750
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,400
the timing makes no sense.

751
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,690
By way of example, I'm currently
in Southeast Asia and I'm

752
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:40,650
much needed vacation with my
wife just a few days into it.

753
00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:42,210
One of those rare moments hit.

754
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:46,350
Like a blazing comet across
the night sky of the mind.

755
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,120
One second.

756
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:51,210
The idea didn't exist the next.

757
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,110
It felt like a book that had already
been written on top of the book

758
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,160
that I'm already writing, waiting
for me to decide whether I would

759
00:50:59,250 --> 00:51:02,100
honor it or not, and I had a choice.

760
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,900
Ignore it and stay comfortable or
act on it, knowing it would haunt me

761
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:08,610
for the rest of my life if I didn't.

762
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:10,830
So I chose to act.

763
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,530
Those comment moments don't show up often,
and when they do, there are invitations.

764
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:20,160
The book I'm writing now exists
because I answered that call.

765
00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:22,470
A call we all get from time to time.

766
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:27,810
It's the result of my life experiences and
considerations, my family's influence, my

767
00:51:27,810 --> 00:51:34,410
closest friends, people like Travis and
many others who have shared their wisdom.

768
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:39,600
It also comes out of some small
wins, often overshadowed by countless

769
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,180
failures and part of my shape.

770
00:51:42,569 --> 00:51:43,200
Trajectory.

771
00:51:43,799 --> 00:51:47,339
If I hadn't decided to go all in
on that comment moment, this book

772
00:51:47,339 --> 00:51:52,109
would've slipped outta my life story
arc entirely and visibly, and that

773
00:51:52,109 --> 00:51:56,040
would've been a loss because I genuinely
feel it will be helpful for others.

774
00:51:56,759 --> 00:52:01,439
Somewhere along the path, I realize
something bigger than my smaller wants.

775
00:52:02,009 --> 00:52:05,490
Maybe this journey called life isn't
really about our immediate desires at

776
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:10,080
all, or the predictable safety of knowing
exactly what I'll be doing next year.

777
00:52:10,979 --> 00:52:14,700
Maybe it's about contributing to the
collective journey, making things a

778
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,700
little better for those people around us.

779
00:52:17,729 --> 00:52:21,419
Just as those before us
try to do in their own way.

780
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:25,470
I'm pretty sure I don't actually
need me to be remembered.

781
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:30,180
What I want remembered is the influence
of the people in my life carried

782
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:32,040
forward through my voice and my work.

783
00:52:32,609 --> 00:52:35,850
In essence, I don't think life
should be about personal glory.

784
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:38,009
I think it should be about
generational continu.

785
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,610
So that's my answer, Travis.

786
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:46,200
Remember me for the capability I
left in others that I honored my

787
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,790
signals when they showed up and for
doing my part in a larger journey.

788
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,780
We all share.

789
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:53,370
All of us.

790
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:53,730
Do you?

791
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:59,520
I first met Chance Burs is one
of the founders of the podcast.

792
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,260
Since then, he shared his story on the
Silver Court podcast in episode 1 41.

793
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:07,560
That was a story about being blown
up, broken down, and rebuilt.

794
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:11,880
What really stands out to me about
Chance is not only what he's endured,

795
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,070
but how he shows up for others.

796
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:17,880
Whether we're hunting elk together
in the Alberta foothills or sitting

797
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,810
across from each other and navigating
a hard conversation, I always leave

798
00:53:21,810 --> 00:53:24,030
feeling grounded, valued, and seen.

799
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:28,500
Chance has the rare ability to guide
people through difficult terrain,

800
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:32,700
physical or internal, and leave
them stronger on the other side.

801
00:53:33,450 --> 00:53:36,330
So when everything else fades,
what do I wanna be remembered for?

802
00:53:38,505 --> 00:53:43,215
I wanna be remembered as somebody
that did their best to make life

803
00:53:43,215 --> 00:53:50,895
better, to make the world better,
to make this experience better.

804
00:53:52,185 --> 00:53:52,634
And

805
00:53:54,975 --> 00:53:56,115
where did that stem from?

806
00:53:56,115 --> 00:54:02,265
Well, that's, that, that is a large
question that has shaped my entire journey

807
00:54:02,265 --> 00:54:04,485
and my life kind of across the board.

808
00:54:04,485 --> 00:54:06,255
So I'll give you some Kohl's notes.

809
00:54:07,154 --> 00:54:11,985
Uh, from a young age, I wanted
to be in the military, but I more

810
00:54:11,985 --> 00:54:13,365
so because I thought it was cool.

811
00:54:13,785 --> 00:54:17,235
I thought it would be super fun, and it,
it was, but at the time I didn't know it.

812
00:54:18,705 --> 00:54:23,415
Um, but I always wanted to help
other people, and it came from a bit

813
00:54:23,415 --> 00:54:26,025
of a selfish perspective in that.

814
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:31,500
I wanted to assist the people around
me to be able to do the things that

815
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:35,610
they wanted to do so that they would
leave me alone so that I could do

816
00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:36,870
the things that I wanted to do.

817
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:45,090
And so I believed that if I could regulate
the people around me, then they would

818
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:48,960
be happy enough and content enough that
they would leave me to my own devices.

819
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:57,870
And that kind of got me into the realm
of, uh, using other people as a proxy.

820
00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:04,980
Uh, by helping them, I felt better about
myself and therefore I was doing well.

821
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:10,140
I didn't realize at the time that
that has a negative cycle to it.

822
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:13,110
And it eventually put me in
kind of a rough place that

823
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:14,640
I got out of after a while.

824
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:18,750
Um, so early on I started
like volunteering.

825
00:55:19,305 --> 00:55:21,285
Uh, I used to do the children's festival.

826
00:55:21,285 --> 00:55:22,845
I used to do the folk festival.

827
00:55:22,845 --> 00:55:28,365
We, uh, I worked for my mother's
businesses at all kinds of, uh, music

828
00:55:28,365 --> 00:55:31,215
festivals and things all over Alberta.

829
00:55:32,685 --> 00:55:38,295
Um, eventually I, I was a salesman at a
video game store and I, I realized pretty

830
00:55:38,295 --> 00:55:45,015
quickly that if I tried to sell somebody
something, they were always skeptic.

831
00:55:45,225 --> 00:55:51,345
But if I just connected with them over a
love of video games and had a discussion

832
00:55:51,735 --> 00:55:55,035
about the things that I love about certain
video games, I would sell way more stuff.

833
00:55:55,725 --> 00:56:00,525
Um, similarly, when I was doing
the, the Children's festival and

834
00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:04,965
things like that, the more I played
with the toys, the more people were

835
00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:08,055
engaged into what we were doing.

836
00:56:09,165 --> 00:56:15,915
And I found that my behaviors not
only could bring people in, it

837
00:56:15,915 --> 00:56:17,565
could build people up, but it could.

838
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:23,130
Affect the course of their lives,
uh, especially when I was in the

839
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:29,100
military, because the military
is all about, um, group success,

840
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:31,049
collective success, mutual reliance.

841
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,080
Um, it, it's, well, way beyond just my
own individual effort is that if I really

842
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:43,799
strive to be the best soldier I can be,
I'm just adding to the whole, which is

843
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:51,000
great because the, the mission becomes
more important than the individual.

844
00:56:52,350 --> 00:56:56,069
So it, it really taught me that
helping others is fundamentally

845
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:57,330
about working together.

846
00:56:57,569 --> 00:57:01,890
So to lift all, to raise all
ships, you know what I mean?

847
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:06,420
Um, after leaving the military though.

848
00:57:07,215 --> 00:57:11,145
This is where that negative cycle
kicked in, was that I didn't feel like

849
00:57:11,145 --> 00:57:15,345
I had anybody to help and therefore
I had to seek out people to help.

850
00:57:15,345 --> 00:57:18,195
And I became a veterans advocate,
and I worked with the Walk for

851
00:57:18,195 --> 00:57:19,305
Veterans and did all these things.

852
00:57:20,055 --> 00:57:26,055
Um, and it wasn't until deep into
that that I started to realize

853
00:57:26,055 --> 00:57:28,995
that that was gonna be the cycle.

854
00:57:28,995 --> 00:57:33,075
It was that I would always
be seeking someone else to

855
00:57:33,075 --> 00:57:35,355
fill that gap in my own self.

856
00:57:36,765 --> 00:57:41,505
And so I had to, uh, I had,
I had to take some time.

857
00:57:42,015 --> 00:57:43,815
I, I had to separate from the walk.

858
00:57:44,175 --> 00:57:46,095
I, uh, started the podcast.

859
00:57:46,095 --> 00:57:50,805
I started trying to find other people that
had different solutions than what I had.

860
00:57:51,375 --> 00:57:55,755
Uh, but through that, through the, the
podcasts and the, all the conversations

861
00:57:55,755 --> 00:57:59,205
and all the things that I've done
now through teaching juujitsu and

862
00:57:59,205 --> 00:58:04,425
learning juujitsu, of course, um,
I've come to understand that real.

863
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:12,150
Meaningful impact is made when we
generally gen, genuinely connect

864
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:15,540
and grow together as a, as a group.

865
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:21,030
One of the things that caught my own
head just recently, uh, while we were

866
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:26,010
training, we were talking about requiring
connection in order to move someone

867
00:58:26,010 --> 00:58:27,750
else's weight, someone else's math.

868
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:35,190
And it clicked in my head that
really, that is the essence of helping

869
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:38,400
someone else is through connection.

870
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:45,180
Because if I can truly connect
to somebody, um, at a spiritual,

871
00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:50,640
emotional, physical, psychological,
uh, root, whatever that root is, if

872
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,970
I can truly connect to them, then

873
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:57,300
I can move them.

874
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:01,920
I can actually help them
without physically moving them.

875
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:03,240
Um.

876
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,130
Uh, it's like the, there's an old
saying that, you know, you are the

877
00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:19,500
amalgamation of your five most, the five
people you spend the most time with.

878
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:25,290
Well, that's because you're
connected to one another.

879
00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:31,170
That's because you have
a really base connection.

880
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:34,770
So when they move, you move.

881
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:39,180
So when they start to take
off, you travel in their wake.

882
00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:47,190
And if you want to, if you want to be,
be something, or if you wanna be somebody

883
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:52,140
else, or if you want to grow or develop
or something like that, the, the best

884
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:55,890
way to do it, I'm not gonna say the
fastest or the uh, or the strongest or

885
00:59:55,890 --> 01:00:00,900
whatever, but the best way I've found
to do it is to connect with people who

886
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,340
are doing the thing that you're doing.

887
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,260
Because otherwise it's just
a crapshoot at that point.

888
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:18,420
I mean, ultimately,

889
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:25,800
legacy and memory and all these
things are pretty meaningless

890
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,630
because once I'm gone, I'm gone.

891
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,070
And

892
01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:37,140
how other people remember me is not
up to me except through my actions.

893
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:39,990
So it has nothing to do with what I say.

894
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:42,600
It has nothing to do with what I think.

895
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:44,790
It has nothing to do with what I believe.

896
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,155
It has everything to do with what I do,

897
01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:53,580
and in the end, it's about
making a positive difference

898
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,940
for myself and for everyone around me.

899
01:01:00,870 --> 01:01:04,799
Not only do I want other people
to do better, I want to do better.

900
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:10,230
And so I will lead by example.

901
01:01:10,259 --> 01:01:13,560
I will live the life that I wanna live,
and I will do the things that I want to

902
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,040
do and I will assist people along the way,

903
01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:20,759
and that'll be my legacy.

904
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:27,630
That'll be my, um, that'll be piece
that I'm remembered by is just

905
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,770
a guy wanting to help and make
the world a little bit better.

906
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:35,009
Yeah.

907
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:35,734
That's all I got.

908
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:46,140
Lastly, we hear from Tiffany Bader.

909
01:01:46,859 --> 01:01:48,270
Tiffany is my wife.

910
01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:49,319
She's seen it.

911
01:01:49,319 --> 01:01:55,380
All the good decisions, the bad ones,
the stress, the work, and what it

912
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:57,225
actually takes to build the life we have.

913
01:01:58,095 --> 01:02:01,035
She is the strongest person I know.

914
01:02:02,564 --> 01:02:06,495
So Travis has asked that I think
about what I want my legacy to be.

915
01:02:07,334 --> 01:02:13,274
Now, I gave it some thought molded
around, and for me it's really simple.

916
01:02:13,754 --> 01:02:18,674
It's, I wanna be a net positive, and
everything I do, every situation that I'm

917
01:02:18,674 --> 01:02:21,134
in, I want there to be a net positive.

918
01:02:21,165 --> 01:02:26,055
But most critically, and really
essentially, for me, the most

919
01:02:26,055 --> 01:02:29,805
important place where I want this to
be evident is with my immediate family.

920
01:02:31,515 --> 01:02:38,169
I want my kids to always know that their
mom's in their corner, that they have

921
01:02:38,174 --> 01:02:43,875
my love and support, that I would fight
a bear, I would fight a bear for them.

922
01:02:44,415 --> 01:02:48,285
Um, I don't know if I'd survive it, but
they'd have enough time to run away.

923
01:02:48,375 --> 01:02:53,535
And, um, and as well as that, I, I
wanna be a good example for them.

924
01:02:53,535 --> 01:02:55,544
I, I try to live my life without regret.

925
01:02:56,475 --> 01:02:56,984
Um.

926
01:02:57,765 --> 01:02:59,085
I try to,

927
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,225
I, I just, I wanna be a
good example for them.

928
01:03:03,464 --> 01:03:08,234
I want them, when I'm gone, I want
my grandkids or my kids to say,

929
01:03:08,654 --> 01:03:09,975
damn, remember that cool hunt?

930
01:03:09,975 --> 01:03:14,234
Grandma went on in the same breath
as man, grandma made grape bread.

931
01:03:14,265 --> 01:03:16,904
So for me, that's, it's pretty simple.

932
01:03:16,904 --> 01:03:25,245
I, you know, I just, I've had the luxury
of having some challenges in my life that

933
01:03:25,245 --> 01:03:30,794
made it abundantly clear without any doubt
in my mind what my priority is in life.

934
01:03:31,245 --> 01:03:32,625
I could lose everything.

935
01:03:33,165 --> 01:03:35,865
As long as I have my kids
and my husband, I'm good.

936
01:03:36,134 --> 01:03:37,785
And I know that down to my core.

937
01:03:37,845 --> 01:03:44,984
So that, that's fueled my, my life
and, uh, what I hope my legacy will be.

938
01:03:45,345 --> 01:03:47,714
So here's to another almost 50 years.

939
01:03:49,275 --> 01:03:52,125
Before I share my own answer,
I want to thank everyone who

940
01:03:52,125 --> 01:03:53,205
took part in this project.

941
01:03:53,595 --> 01:03:56,205
Took a lot of courage to sit with
that question and to answer it

942
01:03:56,205 --> 01:04:00,225
honestly, and I appreciate each and
every one of you for doing just that.

943
01:04:01,845 --> 01:04:02,655
Now it's my turn.

944
01:04:03,495 --> 01:04:07,575
While Amy might be right, and our names
may not be remembered in the long run, in

945
01:04:07,575 --> 01:04:11,325
the short term, I want to be remembered
as a husband and a father who, while not

946
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:16,185
perfect, was loving and always working to
make his family as strong as it could be.

947
01:04:17,265 --> 01:04:20,895
That perspective came from hardship,
from having things taken from

948
01:04:20,895 --> 01:04:22,545
me by people who wish me ill.

949
01:04:22,545 --> 01:04:26,535
And from choosing to rebuild instead of
carrying that bitterness forward, that

950
01:04:26,535 --> 01:04:30,285
rebuilding demand, its stubbornness,
the kind that keeps you moving when

951
01:04:30,285 --> 01:04:32,505
quitting would be just so much easier.

952
01:04:33,015 --> 01:04:36,735
The kind that commits to getting
a little bit better day by day.

953
01:04:37,485 --> 01:04:41,145
And when my name is spoken for
the very last time, I hope that

954
01:04:41,145 --> 01:04:44,475
the positive traits I try to live
by carry on through my children.

955
01:04:44,805 --> 01:04:49,995
My friends and the people I cross paths
with, and that my shortcomings, well, my

956
01:04:49,995 --> 01:04:51,825
hope is that my shortcomings end with me.

957
01:04:53,055 --> 01:04:55,335
What brought me to this
realization was listening.

958
01:04:55,725 --> 01:05:00,045
Listening to people who've lived full
lives, who've been tested, who've lost

959
01:05:00,045 --> 01:05:04,185
things that mattered, and noticing how
rarely they talked about achievements.

960
01:05:04,515 --> 01:05:09,435
When asked what truly matters, it
also came from my own experiences from

961
01:05:09,435 --> 01:05:13,395
rebuilding what it would've been easier
to stay bitter, guarded, or small.

962
01:05:14,565 --> 01:05:18,825
Those moments stripped away what didn't
matter, and they clarified what does.

963
01:05:19,964 --> 01:05:23,895
Over time, it became clear that
legacy isn't something you declare.

964
01:05:23,895 --> 01:05:26,985
It's something that you live
in the small moments without

965
01:05:26,985 --> 01:05:28,755
applause, without recognition.

966
01:05:29,714 --> 01:05:32,085
That realization didn't
arrive all at once.

967
01:05:32,415 --> 01:05:33,315
It accumulated.

968
01:05:34,815 --> 01:05:36,315
Thank you for being here with me.

969
01:05:36,705 --> 01:05:39,464
Here's to an incredible 2026.