WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.599 practical ways. Well you heard it, Wesley, This one better 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:14.759 be fun and practical. 5 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.199 Yeah, it's got to be right. Well, hey, last one, 6 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:18.640 it's fine. This is you are. 7 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.839 Listening to the last day of Platinum Edition Bible Guys. 8 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:25.160 Wesley Woods is with us. He's filling in Chris Zarba's chair, 9 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.120 and I'm Jeff Forster and we're so glad that you 10 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:34.119 decided to join us today. Des is our faithful assistant. 11 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.079 She's the one, like the maestro behind the scene. Well, 12 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:39.200 she's the one who makes it happen. I mean, we 13 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.679 Chris and I we just stumble in and find out 14 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:44.039 what it is she told us we have to do. 15 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:50.679 She's amazing, and so she has the segment Hot Takes Showdown. Okay, 16 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:54.119 and these are hot takes, and we have to have 17 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:58.119 a bold, controversial position and we have to either defend 18 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.520 it or debunk it. There's no little ground, okay, So 19 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:04.480 we can't say either or we have to take a 20 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:08.400 strong position. All right, So here's hot take number one. 21 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.040 Jack could have fit on the door in Titanic he 22 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:16.879 just didn't want to remember. At the end, I remember, 23 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.400 so she's on the door, they're cold. Jack's on the 24 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:20.959 side looking at her like that. 25 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:24.599 I don't think it was that he didn't want he couldn't. 26 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.840 Oh why, well, I think he was like half frozen 27 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:28.640 or whatever. 28 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.519 Yeah, yeah, well so was she though it was a 29 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:35.920 big door. It was a big door. I promise you 30 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.920 we watched that movie. Yeah, and uh, any movie that 31 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:42.799 has like Nudi the Inner what I always wait till 32 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:44.480 the movie comes out and we'll find where that's at. 33 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.680 Skip that part of it. So, uh, so we're watching 34 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.439 it first time. I'm all excited to go to watch 35 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.120 this movie. It's supposed to be so great. We get 36 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:52.879 to the end. It was intense, right, the whole movie 37 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.680 is intense. It's such a wonderful love story, it's so 38 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.599 sweet whatever, and then I'm like, just get on the 39 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:02.640 flipping door. I remember, I couldn't believe this dude's gonna 40 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.000 die because I didn't know how he was exhausted. 41 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:05.599 I was. 42 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.639 I don't want I don't want to ruin it for 43 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.639 somebody who's never seen it. But Jack dies and I 44 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.919 was so mad, like just move over, lady, Just make 45 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.360 some room because I'm looking at the door. The door 46 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:19.960 is big enough. He could have fit on there too. 47 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:21.520 So you think he just wanted to die. 48 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.280 And I don't think he wanted to die. I think 49 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.439 it was the exhaustion. 50 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.719 The So the girl is tougher than him. She could 51 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:34.280 get up on the on the on the on the doors. Yeah. Wow, Okay, 52 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:35.800 you and I are not on the same page on 53 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:37.800 that one. I'm just telling you. The first time I 54 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.879 wrote it ruined the movie for me, Like, come on, man, 55 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.000 I was so mad because it was such a blockbuster. 56 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.520 Then that. Okay, here's here's another one. Hey, Dez, this 57 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.479 is a good question. I hadn't seen this one. The 58 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.000 cookie part of the oreo is better than the cream? 59 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.919 Oh yes, definitely rerually, But I'm so I'm a Wesley. 60 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:02.280 I'm a brownie cookie, the bun, chocolate chip cookie person, 61 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.199 so I don't care about the I'm not even a 62 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:06.360 big ice cream person. 63 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.400 Oh yeah, you know. So I'm a brownie guy, a 64 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:11.599 chocolate chip guy. 65 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.560 So I would take the cookie part over the cream partly. 66 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.360 Yeah. No, see, because I feel like the cookie part 67 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.280 is the conveyance for the cream part. It's how you 68 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.479 get the cream part, so it's kind of like a 69 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:26.800 sandwich for you. The bread is just the vehicle for 70 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:30.159 the meat. I can't remember one time we got a 71 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.159 double stuff my mom. You know, we didn't have a 72 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.240 lot of money when I was a kid, but so 73 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.960 oreos and things like that. They were a special treat. 74 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.000 So my mom got some, and my brother and I 75 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.319 snagged him. We stole them and we took him in 76 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.319 our bedroom, were hiding him, and then I got a 77 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.800 butter knife and I took all the cream off and 78 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.000 made a pile double stuff oreoles, right, And then we 79 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.039 just sat there and ate all the cream. We kept 80 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.840 the cookies. Weally hate the cookies, but it was like man, 81 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.759 and then at that point, after we got about halfway 82 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:04.039 through the giant pile of other cake, stomach from it. 83 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:05.919 There's too much of a good thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 84 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.439 So you prefer the cookie part over the creaky part 85 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:14.120 any day. Yeah, Wesley, I don't know what to do 86 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:15.759 about it. I don't know what to do about it. 87 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:20.160 This is the platinum edition, so who might argue? Who 88 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.079 might argue with Wesley Woods? I can't. I can't do it. 89 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.480 But my goodness, what's kind of like. 90 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:27.480 When I go to Cinnabon, I even tell them to 91 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.120 go light on the icing. What Like, I'm not a 92 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:30.839 big like. 93 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:34.199 Person, Dude, we should go to Cinnabon together. Then, just 94 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.560 as I put it on mind, Yeah, put his mind again. 95 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.600 Cinnabon is the same thing that icing. The first three bites, 96 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.560 icing is amazing. Yeah. Then by the end you got 97 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:42.360 like a sugar headache. 98 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.600 Yeah, just pure sugar. 99 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.079 Yeah, Cinnabon. Man, I haven't thought about Cinabon a long time. 100 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.319 They keep closing them, I know, so you know, I 101 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:50.639 don't know. 102 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.160 One not far from here, but they close that. 103 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.399 Yeah, you're right. Okay. Well, hey, as we're wrapping up, 104 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.079 we're gonna pivot to Luke chapter six for twenty seven. 105 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.560 And it says, due to others, as you'd have them 106 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.600 do to you. And so this is what I'm thinking 107 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.879 is if you want my cookie, I'll take your I'll 108 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.680 take your stuffing. That'd mean all right, we'll just trade. 109 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.319 Yeah exactly, So Jesus says in Luke chapter six, verse 110 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.959 twenty seven. But you who are willing to listen, I say, 111 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.800 love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 112 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.560 Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who hurt you. 113 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.160 If someone slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek. Also, 114 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.279 if someone demands your coat, offer your shirt. Also give 115 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.480 to anyone who asks. And when things are taken away 116 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.199 from you, don't try to get them back. Do to 117 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.759 others as you would like them to do to you. 118 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.439 Where am I going? Verse thirty six? Oh, I get 119 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.920 to read some more. If you love only those who 120 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.600 love you, why should you get credit for that? Even 121 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.720 sinners love those who love them. And if you do 122 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.680 good only to those who do good to you, why 123 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:58.959 should you get any credit? Even sinners do that much. 124 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.040 And if you lend money only to those who can 125 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.639 repay you, why should you get credit. Even sinners will 126 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.879 lend to other sinners for a full return. Love your enemies, 127 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:10.680 do good to them, lend to them without expecting to 128 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.399 be repaid, and then your reward from heaven will be 129 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.079 very great, and you will truly be acting as children 130 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.560 of the most High, For He is kind to those 131 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.920 who are unthankful and wicked. You must be compassionate, just 132 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:26.600 as your father is compassionate. Yeah, these may be the 133 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:27.920 toughest words, Jesus says. 134 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.240 Yeah, I was going to say there are some people 135 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.199 who are like man, I shouldn't have tuned in the day. 136 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:33.959 Yea. I shouldn't have showed up at this one. I 137 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:36.120 should have said no, this is the Wesley Woods edition. 138 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.199 Yeah, yeah, but it says but to you who are 139 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:45.519 willing to listen. I think that verbiage is interesting. I say, 140 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.600 love your enemies. But here's the key thing. There's like 141 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.639 a qualifier here. It's not just love your enemies, because 142 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.839 that can be open to interpretation. But I think the 143 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.600 deeper meaning is love them like you would love yourself. 144 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.360 So the same way that you like you is how 145 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.800 you should like them. And I think when you put 146 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.920 it in that perspective, it's like, whoa, this is deep here, 147 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.360 because again, like I said, just love your enemies, different 148 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.199 people could interpret that differently. Well, I didn't slap them, 149 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.680 so that was loving them, you know, but Jesus says, no, 150 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:21.759 I wouldn't. 151 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.519 Treat them as bad as they treated me. Yes, it 152 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.680 is a pretty subjective yeah response. 153 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.800 Yeah, but yeah, love them like you would love yourself. 154 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.680 And then not only that, do good to those who 155 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.279 hate you. So that takes it even a step further. 156 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.360 Now I want you to do good to them, which 157 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.079 can be very tough when someone has done you wrong 158 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.639 and you feel like you've been mistreated and you legitimately 159 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.560 are in the right. Yeah, the Bible still says do 160 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.600 good to those who hate you. 161 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:57.120 So it's interesting. It doesn't necessarily mean love the people 162 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.560 you hate. That's not what you're saying. It doesn't mean 163 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.360 that you have to have enemies, right. It's possible to 164 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.240 be a person who's not walking around having enemies. Yeah, 165 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.160 but that doesn't mean that other people don't view you 166 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.160 as an enemy, right. So I want to live my 167 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:12.759 life in a way that for the most part, I'm 168 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:14.120 not creating a bunch of enemies. 169 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.879 I'm thinking of a story with my mom. Years ago. 170 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:22.040 My mom worked at Chrysler and she got a job 171 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.079 working on the line, you know, on the factory part. 172 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.800 And she's new there, only there like a month, and 173 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.519 she's just doing her job. She's friendly with everybody, and 174 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.399 a woman walks up to her and says, so you 175 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.120 wanna well, I can't say exactly what the woman said, 176 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.399 but you want to whoop my tail, whoop my tail? 177 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.399 And my Mom's like, what in the world is going 178 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:47.039 on here? Where this lady? For whatever reason, was angry 179 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.399 at her for whatever reason, and my mom was completely 180 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.240 clueless as to what was going on. So I think 181 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:53.679 of that. 182 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:57.200 Story where sometimes people just make you their enemy. They 183 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.480 don't like what you're about, they don't like your faith, 184 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:01.879 they don't like how you do it. They just don't 185 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.080 like how you look. They don't like how you view 186 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.600 the world, they don't like how you vote, whatever, they 187 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:07.840 just don't like you. 188 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.840 Sometimes people can not like you because of the happiness 189 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:12.360 in your life. 190 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.679 Yeah, yeah, you know you. 191 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.679 Have joy in your life. Well you should be miserable, 192 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:19.200 like I'm miserable. Why are you so happy all the time? 193 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.000 And you know, so it doesn't have to be that 194 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.559 you've chosen some enemies and now Jesus is saying you 195 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:27.559 should love them. It can be that even if people 196 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.399 have chosen to hate you for some reason, Jesus is 197 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.120 saying you should love them. But then he doesn't leave 198 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.039 it up to just love because you and I can 199 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.919 claim to love people and nobody knows. Yes, you know, 200 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:39.759 I'm such a good Christian. I love all my enemies. 201 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.000 The proof of it is always in the action. Yes, 202 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.080 So in the same way that you know, we read 203 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.200 a few days ago, where Jesus was talking about the 204 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.120 action matters. In this one, the Jesus was saying about 205 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.840 it says that he loved his disciples and then he 206 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:00.679 washed their feet. Yes, he served them in the same way. 207 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.200 So love does action is the proof of the love. 208 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.559 Otherwise love is just a word. It might be a 209 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.399 fuzzy feeling. But action is what demonstrates love. And so 210 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.039 this is what he kind of puts it on. Is 211 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.399 to go beyond just saying I have a fondness for 212 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.799 a love for some spiritual claim that nobody can prove, 213 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:21.919 because you can prove whether or I did good to 214 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:26.039 them right to bless those who curse you. It's hard. 215 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:27.840 It's hard when when when you find out somebody said 216 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:29.919 something bad about you, and you know you and I 217 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.960 were public figures. We say a lot of words on 218 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.639 a given Sunday. Any given message is going to have 219 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:39.039 somewhere around I'll say twenty five or thirty thousand words 220 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:45.480 on a Sunday morning because we do four identical services, right, Yeah, 221 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:50.120 maybe maybe maybe forty thousand words. I'm gonna say dumb things. Yeah, 222 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.960 I'm going to say something that's going to offend somebody 223 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:59.279 or whatever, and then it's gonna make people med. They're 224 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.080 gonna they get mad at us. And so then people 225 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.919 say stuff. It's a shocking you see it more than 226 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.720 I do. Even sometimes people leave reviews online. Yeah, and 227 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:12.080 it just means stuff sometimes, you know, on social media 228 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.360 or on Google reviews or something. They just give these 229 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.919 horrible reviews and like, dude, I don't even know you, 230 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.279 why are you just shredding me like that? 231 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.159 And with that in mind, I remember we got a 232 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.559 bad review for something we didn't even do. I remember 233 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:29.279 that when I won't even going to the story, and 234 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:29.960 I'm like, wait. 235 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:35.240 That wasn't us. Yeah, so's it's just a funny thing 236 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.559 how that happens. And so I try. I try when 237 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.960 when when I find out that somebody says something AboutUs 238 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.120 or some every once in a while pastor believe not, 239 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.159 pastors were not always good Christians. Either our pastors say 240 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.360 something bad about me or or whatever. I always try 241 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.000 to find a potential other meaning behind what they said 242 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.080 or what they did. Yeah, I try. I don't always 243 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.559 do it, but this idea, bless those who curse you, 244 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:03.639 and then you know, pray for them. Bless them. He says, 245 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.879 if someone slaps you on the cheek, offer the other also, 246 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:08.879 and what do you. 247 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:12.559 Think that means? Jeff, I mean if because growing up, 248 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:16.759 you know, I've heard this particular verse twenty nine preached 249 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.600 a lot of times. You know, what do you think 250 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.279 that means? Is it a physical slap? Is that? What 251 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.360 do you think the meaning. 252 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.440 Is behind that one? I think it can be a 253 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.320 physical slap because so there's a difference between a fight 254 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.879 like I'm going to do damage, I'm gonna I'm going 255 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:39.440 to harm you, yeah, and the offensive slap like you 256 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.919 ever watch any of the old like I don't know, 257 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.440 smack their face. Yeah, or they'll use a shoe. Yeah, 258 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:49.559 in the Middle East of culture, they'll use a shoe 259 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.559 and they'll smack you. Or if they can't do that, 260 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.840 it'll be an open handed smack. It's not a punch. 261 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.679 We're not fighting. I'm insulting you with this open hand. 262 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.799 I'm not gonna do any real damage. I'm just in 263 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:02.399 front of everybody. It's a dominant move. Yeah. Well, when 264 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.600 they when they go to make this dominant offensive move, 265 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.000 slap you with their gloves, slap you with their shoe, 266 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.919 open handed smack. That dominant move Jesus says, just off 267 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.879 from the other cheek too. One that's pretty pretty tough. 268 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.799 It's such a cool response. The other side of it is, 269 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:20.480 if you're feeling that dominant, here, here's another one. And 270 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.480 what you're saying immediately is you're not dominant over me. 271 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.320 You're offering this, this, this other cheek. What Your words 272 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.399 aren't gonna hurt me, your actions aren't going to hurt 273 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.639 I'm just gonna be refused. I'm going to refuse to 274 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.039 let you bait me into what you're trying to bait 275 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:36.279 me in. 276 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.360 And likely that person wouldn't know how to respond in 277 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.600 that instance, like wait a minute, well that didn't work, 278 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.440 and you know that kind of thing. 279 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.799 So it's there's not a sass to it necessarily, it's 280 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.000 just an off putting response to because you would think 281 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.159 I smack you with my glove or you know, in 282 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.399 the in the olden days, you know, I challenge you 283 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.399 to a duel that kind of thing, and oftentimes that 284 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.919 required the smacking of the glove. They wouldn't know what 285 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.000 to do because you're what you're supposed to step up 286 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.000 to it. Now your manhood's been insulted, so now you 287 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.240 have to match that insult, and then ultimately it's gonna 288 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.759 take us to a duel. That's the idea. And so 289 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.759 instead of matching the insult, in order to protect your 290 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.240 own manhood, your own dignity, you go ahead and go, 291 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:20.759 oh no, hey, if this is important to you, go 292 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.600 ahead hit the other one too. Yeah. Right. 293 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.480 It's kind of a confusing thing, like, wait a minute, 294 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.279 thought this was gonna go. 295 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.440 You know it, diffuse it, yeah, yeah, yeah, I uh, 296 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.879 it takes two to tangle. You've heard that before. I've 297 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.840 had people before that. So I used to like to 298 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.600 box when I was a kid, and and even not boxing, 299 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.960 I liked fighting kid, not mad, just fun the sport 300 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.080 of And I've told this, I think on this podcast 301 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:49.440 before you know. I grew up out in the country. 302 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.480 We my my block was a square mile. There were 303 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.679 like six other boys, seven other boys that lived on 304 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.960 the on the block, and we watched I can't remember 305 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.279 Muhammad ali Is Mike Michael spin fight, Yeah, and it 306 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:02.720 was super cool. So now of a sudden, we want 307 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:03.279 to be boxers. 308 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:03.600 Yeah. 309 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.320 So so we're out there boxing in the backyard and stuff, 310 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:08.799 and then we were fighting over a football game. We 311 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.840 were playing football baseball rules something like that. We were 312 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.320 arguing about it. Yeah, and uh my dad just said, 313 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.879 I'm sick because he just hear us arguing. We had 314 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.399 a really big piece of property and he was doing 315 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:21.159 some work, but he's just sick of us arguing. She 316 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:22.679 comes and said, hey, listen, when I was a kid, 317 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.679 what we do is we draw a circle, and whoever 318 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.840 got knocked out of the circle they lost the argument. 319 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.759 That way, you put some energy behind what you're doing. 320 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.559 He said, we can't fight because you're angry, and show 321 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:34.799 you guy, you know it's okay. So then it stopped 322 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.120 being football and basketball. We just wanted to baseball. We 323 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.960 just draw the circles and we would fight just for fun. 324 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.159 We go home with bloody lips and black eyes and stuff. 325 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:44.399 You know. 326 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:46.720 We weren't fighting to do damage. We were just fighting 327 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:48.200 to see who was tougher, who could knock the other 328 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.840 person off the circle? Oh wow? Who loved it? So 329 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.120 because of that, you know, by the time I was 330 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.200 a teenager, I'd taken a lot of punches, bare knuckle punches, 331 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.200 you know, so getting punched isn't a big deal. Yeah, 332 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.879 it's shocking to somebody when they haul off and give 333 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.840 you their best and you don't do anything. Yeah, they're 334 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.080 wanting to fight. Yeah, and what Jesus is saying is 335 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.879 it's really hard to fight with a person who just 336 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.159 won't fight. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah, it's it's 337 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:17.039 so shocking of a response that it's very likely to 338 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:18.440 diffuse the whole thing. Yeah. 339 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.000 I heard her pastor talk about this, how he was 340 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.320 having an argument with his wife, and his wife had 341 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.559 decided she wasn't going to argue back. She wasn't going 342 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.960 to fight or anything, and not physically fight, but not 343 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:34.559 argue back and forth. So she left the room and 344 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.200 he just continued on having the argument with himself. This 345 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.360 doesn't make sense, his love. And then she came back 346 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:43.639 and said, isn't it sad you are in this room 347 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.879 by yourself having it, still having an argument. 348 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.799 Yeah. So what he's doing is he's giving you kind 349 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:54.919 of an opportunity here to defuse. And then the other one. 350 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:59.320 If someone demands to co this is the language here 351 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.759 in this translation. So someone demands your coat, this is 352 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.839 more of a legal demand. It's it's your being sued, right, 353 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.039 So not just hey can I have your coat? Although 354 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:09.680 that's not bad because he does say to lend to 355 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.599 people who want you know your enemies. So these are 356 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.720 all enemy moments, your friend, somebody punches you or slaps you. Rather, 357 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.039 you can take it. The Bible does not say we 358 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.640 can't defend ourselves. And matter of fact, the Bible mentions 359 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.079 multiple times it's responsibility the strong to protect the weak. 360 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:28.880 Right so, and and the Bible does say that we 361 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:34.000 can protect ourselves and our property. But in this instance, 362 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.079 this is an enemy trying to make a point, kind 363 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.640 of man up on you. Try to be a tough 364 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.720 guy on you. Okay, go ahead, buddy, and you'll diffuse it. 365 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.640 Sometimes if you turn the other cheek when they sue 366 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.880 you to take away your coat, he said, sometimes the 367 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.279 thing that winds up proving to everybody that you're better 368 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.960 is here, take take my take my other coat too. Right, 369 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.720 here you go, I'll give you more than you sued 370 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.519 for kind of thing. And it's not emitting that you 371 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.359 did the wrong thing. It's really kind of saying that 372 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.799 they did the wrong thing. So here just right, and 373 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.599 so going beyond on that, and what it does is 374 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.799 it prooves I think the outcome of this Jesus isn't 375 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.440 saying it this way. But the outcome is everybody who's 376 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:20.079 watching sees your response versus their their willingness to take 377 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.119 from you, versus your kindness and generosity say, oh, if 378 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.359 you need it so bad, take this too. 379 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:24.880 Yeah. 380 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.920 Right, And they don't need it that bad and they 381 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.519 know it. And Jesus in another passage, talks about heaping 382 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.640 coals of fire on their heads. Right. That's It's all 383 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:37.440 you're doing, is you're kind of putting it back at them, 384 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:39.920 pointing out what you're doing is horrible. But I'm going 385 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.640 to be good when you're being bad. That's the whole 386 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:45.759 thing here is I'm choosing a good way when you're 387 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:46.880 choosing the bad way. 388 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.559 When God can turn the tables. I'll never forget the 389 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:54.119 story of my sister. She worked in corporate America and 390 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.839 had a boss that just was a pain in the neck. 391 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.880 I mean, this lady would it was just a terrible boss. 392 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:07.400 And eventually my sister, who worked under her, ended up 393 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.480 that lady got demoted and my sister became her boss. Yeah, 394 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:17.240 but my sister always respected her. She always did what 395 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.519 the lady said to do and all of that things. 396 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.440 And I believe that God blessed her as a result 397 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:22.759 of that. 398 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.000 I think God gives you his favor when you choose 399 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:28.240 to go this way, and I think good people notice 400 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:31.279 it when you choose the good way, and because what 401 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.480