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Unknown: Mike coming to you from
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USA, Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show. Today's guest,

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legendary studio drummer,

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and now rich Redmond. What's

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up, rock and rollers, rich
Redman here. This is another

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episode of the rich Redmond Show
coming to you from Music City,

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USA. Jim McCarthy, my co host,
my co producer, how you doing?

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Buddy? Doing? Well, hey, hey,
you play drums. I do every we've

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established that you do a little
bit of voiceover, just a tiny

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bit. Now, when you were learning
drums and you were playing along

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the records, you for sure,
played along the tracks from our

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next guest, most likely, yes,
and you know what he is. He is

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one of the most recorded
drummers in history, responsible

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for sales over 250

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million units. Mr. Paul line,

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yeah, right. All right.

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Now, Paul, look at some of these
artists. Now, this is straight

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from your wiki. These are some
folks you've played with. John

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Williams, Doc severance in the
London Symphony, the Boston

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Symphony, Tanya Tucker, Tom
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Neil Diamond, Faith Hill, Tim
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Twain. List goes on and on. Is
that all? And if you guys look

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for you drummers out there,
you're interested, you look up

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on YouTube. Paul lime, Nashville
recording session you did for

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Vic Firth. Very informative,
where you break down the

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national number system and you
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all that. And another one that's
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recently did with our buddy DOM
FAMU laro and look up Paul lime

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la Nashville studio on the
sessions panel. That's a nice

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conversation. Yeah, what a great
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back some time ago. Jules follow
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incredible.

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And you and I have been able to
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a lot of bread, but every time
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are breaking bread at like the
palm with Jules and her entire

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team, the tough life. And I know
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wine, so fun. So you have a
background. We have a similar

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background, in the sense that
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but then I moved to Texas in
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and then eventually I ended up
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yeah, now you're did a lot of
work in Tyler, Texas, right?

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Well, did a lot of work in Tyler
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Robin Hood, Brian studio, when I
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old. He said you were a human
metronome. Yeah. Well, yeah. We

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were playing with our rock and
roll band at this this Tyler DJ

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would have all the local bands,
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Park, and Robin Hood, as that's
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Brian's Robin Hood caught me
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said, I was 15. He said, kid,
you got a metronome in your

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head. How would you like to play
on records? And I went, I want

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to play anywhere I can. And he
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Tuesday at 430 and I said, I'll
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Yeah, that's great. So that's
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that was in, let's see. That was
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graduated from high school in 69
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so Gratz, we're at 51 years.

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Hey, that's the same as my
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together. And I That's great.
You know what? I got him, but

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I'm the first born son, so I had
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nights, three days at the super,
super, like the what's a super

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high end hotel chain, the
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and my mom the spa package and
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they want to eat for two days.
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going to be in Florida. They
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it's in Naples. Naples.

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Have you ever been to burn in
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Rocky Patel has a great club. Go
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It's called Burn. Smoke is all
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yeah. Great cocktails. Great
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cigars. Yeah,

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no. Now, how? Now? How often is
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I only have a cigar, maybe once,
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Okay, that's not bad, yeah? For
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this. It was like two or three a
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row. And you're like, I probably
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yeah? Well, at this point of our
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cocktail and cigar and makes you
feel like somebody What's your

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cocktail of choice? An old
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you steak guy too.

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German background, I guess the
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Texas. You're getting all this
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then eventually, life takes you,
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in Dallas, into Dallas, yeah.

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Airlines jangles and Exxon and
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then they knew of me from down
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you're, of course, very familiar
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Larry hobarrack, who was an
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to LA and Larry was doing a lot
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the 68 comeback special. He was
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and L and Ronnie, and had worked
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yeah, and in Dallas, so Larry.
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working. But anyway, he went
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gig that was in 68 and so 68
6970 they were kind of hurting

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in Dallas for a you know, a lot
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North Texas, jazzers, but
jazzers, you know, you know the

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you know the drill. And I want
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type thing. So I don't want to
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in the lineup in Dallas, and
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musical, I was band leader for a
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Britton, and we had our own
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really well. And so anyway, I
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in Dallas, then starting in
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Dallas and right out of high
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the studios in 70 and then by 73
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year in Dallas and and the guys,
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Dallas rhythm rhythm section,
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to do Boston Pops and Cincinnati
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fantastic nice. It was, it's
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been unbelievable. Yeah, yeah.

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Happened at the right time, and
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angels. Those are some life
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believe in you more than even
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do. Sure. I think Jim is one of
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like a spirit whisperer for the
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man, you know you've got to get
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and get that third party
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what? Sometimes we look in the
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the rest of the world sees. So
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Angeles during the heyday where
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for episodic television, your
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played on Star Wars The Return
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be way up there for me. Guys, I
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Star Wars. Yeah, the music said
Revenge Of The Jedi. And why I

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didn't grab it? I have no idea.
Just, it was just another

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session, right? But now that I
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forgotten I did it. And we were,
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think, without, with Mike
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this kid came wandered
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me backstage. So of course, we
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talked, man, I learned how to
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Wars. And I'm going, did I do
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John. It was kind of a throw
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course, and did the horn
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all the horn arrangements for
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to school with Henry hay, his
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great. And then he went to New
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he ended up going on to play
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stings of the world.

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Oh, good. Yeah, that's
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you know, we've really got a
pretty small business. We all

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know each other. We all love
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drumming community. It's, it's
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probably so, yeah, I don't, I
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because we like beating on
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we do. So now, so you're out in
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was that I moved to Los Angeles,
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I love you have the date,
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when I moved to Nashville. I
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Yeah, I, actually, I prayed a
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prayed about, you know, and I
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word, you know, you gotta, you
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15th. And so we drove, I drove,
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to get I drove 24 hours to be in
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So Dallas, Los Angeles, Dallas
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for your drive. I had a 72 Chevy
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with the stuff the woody, the.
Video, the wood paneling, wood

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paneling, yeah, and the roll
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and all that stuff. It's like
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this time? Or, yes, okay, yeah.
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for a family playing the drums.
This is the American dream.

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you and I. Both are one of the,
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it's like, I say it's one thing
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one of our high school rock and
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Neil, and when I moved out, I
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lived with he and another high
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are you crashing? Over there in
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of El Malibu and Malibu, it's a
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No, they had a great pad Malibu,
yeah? And Frank is, can you

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anyway? So, yeah, trencis, yeah.
So we saw, I was out there with

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them, and within two weeks, I
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beautiful. That just, you know,
it's that stuff. You can't make

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it up, yeah? Cuz

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I'm kind of looking at your just
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even saw that you play with, I
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Tim rush low, and we had a pop
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yeah. And I saw, if you guys
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and attraction, just look up
2017 Trump inaugural, the ball,

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Freedom ball. And you're playing
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Tim rush. Load, love Big Band
always rush, yeah, he's such a

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nice guy. He's does it really
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films you worked on, Star Wars,
Return of the Jedi you did for

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television, the fall guy,
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You were the staff drummer on a
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the American Music Awards for 10
years and the CMAS for off and

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on for 25 years. ACMA is for,
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years, and you were the eight
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And also sitting in that chair
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We had Mr. Eddie bears and Mr.
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contemporaries. So when I moved
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research, and, you know,
researching everybody, so I

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listened to a lot of your
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bears, Lonnie Wilson, Chad
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him in nine. When did I take a
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that? And then he said, You know
what? I'm just gonna move,

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finally move out of his Indiana
house. And he says, I just

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grabbed all my drums on the way,
and I just went to LA and now he

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uses that as his base. Yeah,
does a lot of recording just

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from a little spot in North
Hollywood. I'm just, is Kenny

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out there? Now he's out there a
good 10 years or so. Is he

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really?

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long ago, because we do stay in
touch. I just didn't ask about

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where he was living. There's a
great story that I have about

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Kenny Aaron off, who's who we're
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years ago, was trying to decide
he was a senior at UT, and he'd

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always wanted to fly jets and
but he played drums in his rock

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and roll band, and they were the
hot band on campus up at

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University of Tennessee, so they
were having a lot of fun, and he

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was trying to decide whether to
follow in my footsteps. He was a

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big fan of Kenny and and Ronnie
Tut. He our families, our family

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and Ronnie's family grew up
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tut were best of friends, and,
and looks like extended family.

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And so, so, so, so Kenny called
me. Was in town. He said, Hey,

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Paul, you want to go get lunch?
So, yeah, man, Sure, that'd be

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great. I got some time this
afternoon. So I said, You mind

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if I bring my son? So we met
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right? And, and so we're sitting
there, and we, you know, kibitz

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bit and so he finally says to
Jake. He says, So Jacob, so

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Jake, what's going on with you?
He says, man. He says, I'm a

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senior at UT, and I either have
to sign for my commission this

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week, I have to sign for my
commission in the Air Force.

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I've been doing ROTC, and I've
got a sign for my commission the

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Air Force, or turn that down and
follow in Ron's and dad's

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footsteps and and start my, you
know, be get serious about a

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music career. And I just, I'm
having such a hard time whether

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to fly jets or play drums. And
Kenny reached over, slapped him

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on the arm, said, Oh, man, go
fly jets. You can play drums

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anytime, just like that. Made up
his mind. Yep, Kenny made up his

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mind. And now in August, this
coming August, in eight months,

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he retires. After 20 years, he's
retired with full pension, full

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good for him, full medical is
when and he's gonna wants to

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come back to start playing. If
you can talk about it, I

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actually talked to him about it.
I said, Are you going to want to

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come back to play? He said, I'm
getting so many great offers

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with companies coming out of
them. Yeah, what he's an expert

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at?

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Yeah, I got an uncle that drove,
flew the planes for air,

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American Airlines for years, and
when you know they have to

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retire. Think at 6065, at 60 and
so he and he's just like, I'm

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I'm good man, this is gonna be
fantastic. We're talking to our

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friend Russ Miller one time, and
he's like, Rich. Do you realize

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that the level of success you've
achieved, if it was in any other

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industry, you would own a top
floor penthouse in Manhattan?

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That's right, but it doesn't
work like that. No one doesn't,

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not in the creative

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arts. No, yeah, we do. Well, I
mean, we do. We're very

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comfortable. And I can retire if
I want to, but I still love it,

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you know, I still enjoy it, and
we stay busy, yeah,

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speaking of staying busy and
having a great skill set, the

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School of Rock, School of Rock,
right here in Nashville,

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Tennessee. I remember when I
was, you know, learning the

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drums. It was 1976 1977 I had
super supportive parents, and

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Too bad we didn't have something
like the School of Rock. The

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School of Rock is a great thing.
There's 250 locations in the

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world, and right here in
Nashville and Franklin, we have

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two of the best locations, Kelly
and Angie McCarthy. You know

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him. You love him. You met him.
We interviewed him. They run the

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best school of rocks. And so if
you got a kid out there that

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wants to learn the drums, bass
guitar, keyboards, they want to

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sing, they can take lessons at
the School of Rock. And even if

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your kids never become a full
time musician, they're going to

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learn about persistence,
determination, time management,

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working well with others, taking
direction. And those are great

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skills to have in life. So I got
two emails addresses for you,

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Nashville at School of Rock
calm, or Franklin at School of

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Rock calm, tell him I sent you.
And thank you so much School of

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Rock for sponsoring the rich
Redmond show. Yes. Thank you

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very much. We're so good at
that. Oh, dude, thanks. I got a

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future in radio. I better get on
it. You know,

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that's another industry that if
you really do well in it's

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seemingly you should own a
penthouse, but exactly doesn't

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happen.

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Should become like, you know,
Howard Stern, or Don Imus or

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something like that. Yeah, it's
lightning in a bottle. I love

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listening. I listened to that
interview you did with Dom

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family Laura last night, and you
were talking about your first

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drum hero, Louis Bellson Louie
bells, you know, mine was, it

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was a gateway drug. I really
enjoyed Carmine apathy. And we,

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you know, we kind of become
friends over the years, and then

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looking back, you find out, Oh,
Carmine was really into Gene

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Krupa and everyone's like,
buddy, rich man all the way, no

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Krupa all the way. It's like,
you got your chocolate and my

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peanut butter. You got my peanut
butter and your chocolate,

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that's right. I thought that
that gene had such a great

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showmanship. And he was the
people's

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drummer, yeah, he was the
people's drummer. And he was,

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yeah, right, that's it, yes.
That's the best way I can think

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of to put him Yeah, people's
drummer. Technically, Buddy.

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Buddy had him. Oh yeah, yeah.
But he had everybody. But you

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know, his talking to Ron one
time. You know the opener for,

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for the opener that

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Ron used, Elvis wanted the drums
to start the whole show, sure.

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And so the opener that Ron used
on CC Ryder, it's a straightened

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out version of Sing, sing, sing,
sing. And Ron is right, yeah,

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there's even there triple it in
the whole thing. And he actually

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doesn't use the, he actually
doesn't use the two bass drums

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on the open when I do the show I
I do. I had him in the second

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two bars, just make it thunder a
little more. Oh,

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so you're on the toms, and then
on bar three and four, you had

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the feet. Add the feet, yeah,

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yeah. It's fun showing we do it.
But yeah, Ron, when Ron was had

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conflict, because Ron, after,
after the 80s, I wanted to stay

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in the studios with Neil. I want
to stay in the studios in LA and

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kind of work with everybody.
Now, when

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you move to Lawson, and when you
moved to Nashville in 19 in 1988

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was that, let's go to a
something like a little bit more

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of a slower, a softer pace to
raise children? Was that the

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thing?

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Well, Lee had called me to to go
out with James Taylor, nice. And

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I'd always wanted to play with
James and and one night, I told

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my two little boys, Jacob and
Josh, one that's now retiring

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from the Air Force, that's
crazy. I said, you know, Daddy's

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gonna take a, you know, I really
want to play with this artist.

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And I'd already, I'd already
turned down Neil full time and

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and we were, I was in the middle
of doing a Lionel Richie there

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should have been around 81 and
we 81 and we were still, we

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started doing all the Lionel
Richie records and and Lee Sklar

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called to do, to do James. And,
man, I'd love to do that. That'd

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be awesome. So I told the kids
one night, and they were, let's

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see 81 Jacob would have been
about four. They boys are about

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three and four. And I said, you
know, I'm, I want to, I'm gonna

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go on tour. I'm gonna do a
little traveling. You know, I've

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been home, just in the studio,
and being home every night.

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Well, Daddy, how long you gonna
be gone? I said, Well, it's a

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year. Well, Daddy, how long is a
year? Well, it's Christmas to

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Christmas. You know, how long
Christmas to Christmas is to a

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four year old? Long time.
Forever. Yeah, yeah. And they

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start crying, and I'll go, Well,
I'm not leaving tomorrow. It's

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okay. So, you know, you go back
and put Jeannie. Should I do? I

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really want to, but I don't want
to leave the kids. And so first

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day of rehearsal, I was walking
out the door, and they started

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crying, and Jeannie started
crying, then I started crying,

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and I called Lee, and I said,
Lee, I can't do this. I can't go

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and he said, and I thought he
was gonna lie. Said, I

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understand. I thought he was
gonna light into you. He said,

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he said, Paul, man, thank Thanks
for telling me now. He said,

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Thanks for he said, because,
man, you know, sometimes guys

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can't take the road and have
families. They get out for a

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month and they and they say, I
gotta go home. Yeah. And I've

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had, I've had guys do that to me
before as a band leader. But

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here's, here's the end of that
story that happened 30 years

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later at the White House. We're
in the we're in the East Wing of

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the White House, and we're doing
the the country at the White

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House TV special for Obama, and
James is on stage, and we're

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we'd already rehearsed and
everything I gave him the very

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last I gave James Taylor very
last of my last serial number of

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my signature snares. Yeah, but
anyway, because he came back

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said, was that snare drum? And I
said, That's my signature snare

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what's, what's different about
this drum? Anyway, I'm getting

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off

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track. That's one of the best
selling signature snare drums.

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Yeah, they're

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going up on the on the eBay, on
eBay.

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But anyway, so we're in the East
Wing of the White House, and

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James is standing there. We have
a little bit of a break. And so

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I told him the story that, of
course, he didn't even know

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about. He don't you know, Lee
was the band leader, putting the

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band together and, and I don't
think James knew about it. And I

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told him the story, and he went
really and then 15 minutes

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later, he came back and he said,
I didn't get all that. He said,

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Paul, tell me that. Tell me that
story again. And I told him what

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had happened. He said, You made
the right choice.

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Ah, it seems like a super, kind
soul. Oh, James,

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a great deal. Diamonds, great
guy. Some of them are not.

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Who were some of the other folks
that you had a touring

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relationship with over the
years, Linda, Linda Hamilton,

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no. Linda Carter. Most recently,
she thinking of Terminator. My

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very first, my very first
episodic TV series was Wonder

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Woman, nice and and we had, you
can go online and see that Linda

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Carter CBS specials, you can see
all that stuff and some great

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shots on that. But that was we
had. We did five CBS specials,

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and she actually started as a
singer, and so we hooked back.

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We hadn't talked for, like, 28
years, and back in oh eight, she

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called and said she wanted to
come back. She'd raised her kids

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want to come back to working. So
I've been MD for Linda now for

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this will be our going on our
13th year. Great. So, yeah, so

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it's a lot of but we only do
about 1515, 20 dates a year, and

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just just enough to get out and
have some good food. And that's

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nice. You hear the crowd? Yeah?
That kind of stuff. It's fun

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stuff. Yeah. I remember

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in 9097, when I moved to town,
it was very it was very there

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was very much a line in the sand
where you were an artist or a

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songwriter, or you were a
session drummer, or you were a

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live drummer, and there wasn't a
lot of commingling. And then

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that's right. And then now that
things have changed, you're

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really smart to I know all of
our colleagues are jumping in a

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bunk on the weekends and riding
on a bus doing sessions Monday

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through Thursday, and like,
Yeah, I'll go play with Amy

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Grant, yeah, I'll go play with
Bob Seger, yeah, go play with,

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you know, that's it's become the
norm now, yeah, as as the, as

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our, the business as we know it.
And, you know, yeah, has turned

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into what it's turned into with,
with so much the business model

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having pretty much been
destroyed. Yeah, you know,

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thanks a lot for the mp three
guys, yeah, really destroyed it.

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And they have the thing. They
could

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have stopped it, and they
didn't, but, but, yeah, touring

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relationships Tom Jones was just
an absolute ball. I did that in

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77 when I first after working
with Neil, and before the kids

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came, I went out with Tom Jones
and nice. So much fun. Yeah,

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yeah, it's that's about as much
fun as you can have, right? With

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that, with

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your clothes on,

425
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,660
he's just, he's such a rocker,
you know, we do his show, and

426
00:24:18,660 --> 00:24:21,140
then he'd get on the on the
plane, he'd have private chat.

427
00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:23,540
We he and hopefully hitting the
back of the seats as he walked

428
00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:26,660
to the back of the jet gun come
along a baby. Whole lot of shake

429
00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:29,780
and go. He's still ready to go.
Yeah, yeah. So all fired up. All

430
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:33,560
Fired up, yeah, we would, but
each both of us would lose five

431
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,720
pounds. Have you ever weighed
yourself before you go on? Weigh

432
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,500
yourself when you

433
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,200
come off. Now, I had a girl I
can probably get you connected

434
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,680
with. She weighed, you know, she
put these elect she put some

435
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,560
electrodes on me. She's actually
doing a scientific study over

436
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,040
five years. That's a good one
too. And so I burn 1000 calories

437
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,420
a show. Oh, yeah, 90 minute
show. So 1000 calories and my

438
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:53,680
heart's up there. Yeah?

439
00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:56,320
Now, so it's good. We're getting
paid to work out. Oh, that's

440
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,480
right, yeah, that's easy to keep
we lose

441
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480
that water weight for sure,
though, because I. When I come

442
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,020
off, it's like, my shirts, like,
wring it out, yeah, I should

443
00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:06,900
turn it into, like, a perfume or
a cologne. Yep, I

444
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,620
have a question. You talked
about the every man's drummer

445
00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:14,220
being Gene Krupa. I've always
taught. I always thought of Neil

446
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:16,680
Peart like that. Yeah, you know,
kind of like everybody knew who

447
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,500
he was. Thought he was one of
the best drummers. But of

448
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,920
course, technical prowess,
you've got guys that could, you

449
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,280
know, drum circles around him,
but to the every man, he was an

450
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,020
amazing drum household, amazing.

451
00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:30,560
You know, Rush. Rush was like a
religion. It's, it's like,

452
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,340
you're either a huge rush fan,
right? Or you're not. But

453
00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:37,580
certainly, anybody who was a
huge rush fan, obviously, you

454
00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:39,500
know, Neil. So there was

455
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:43,480
a documentary recently that I
watched, and I want to say it's

456
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,020
on one of the streaming channels
that you can you can download,

457
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:53,380
and it's about them leading up
to their very last show, and

458
00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:56,500
they documented. It was very
well done. That's great. And the

459
00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,720
attitudes within the band,
because Getty and Alex, they

460
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,540
weren't ready to hang it up. But
Neil was like, Guys, I'm gonna

461
00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:07,800
be 64 years old. I'm getting
tired. He's like, I can't play.

462
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,000
That was, that was big of him

463
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,100
to admit that, you know, yeah,
he wanted

464
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:15,300
to go out on top. You know, it
was, it was one of those things

465
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,420
that I kind of appreciated about
him, that it's just that he's

466
00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:19,740
like, it's a workout.

467
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,860
Do you feel like you're gonna
die with the sticks in your

468
00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:23,600
hand. Is that a goal? One, two?

469
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,200
You know what I mean? That's
probably what

470
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:32,480
I'll do. I want to play as long
as I still love it. Yeah, I want

471
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,820
to play as long as I still love
it and and I still love it. So

472
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:41,080
I'm only taking what I really
want to do if it's really fun. I

473
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:46,120
we got a call today, this
morning that Tanya, Tanya Tucker

474
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,420
and I great buds, and she wants
to, we're going to do a remake

475
00:26:49,420 --> 00:26:52,360
of Delta dawn, and they're
trying to find as many originals

476
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,600
as possible. And so we're a
couple weeks we're going to

477
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,260
recut Delta Dawn and and Miss
Brenda is going to come in.

478
00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:03,060
Brenda Lee is going to come in
and be part of it, so that'll be

479
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:06,420
a lot of fun. And, you know,
talking about everyday drummer

480
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:11,940
and every man's drummer, Louis
fit to me, Louis was technically

481
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:21,740
beyond. He was, he was kind of
in the middle between buddy and

482
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:26,840
Gene, yeah, and so. But he was
he, he did the double bass drums

483
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,200
for the first time and and when
I heard that, it just at 12

484
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,960
years old. I was just because I
was beating, like every other

485
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,420
drummer that I was beating on
everything in the house. I knew

486
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:41,080
how sharp to sharpen the
pencils, but where the tips

487
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,660
wouldn't break, but they'd still
bounce well in school, right?

488
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:49,240
Yeah. And so it just, I mean,
I've always heard rhythms in

489
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,840
everything and and I think
that's, I think that's

490
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:59,740
exceptionally important to young
players, to know the lineage.

491
00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:04,920
Know, who did Louis Bellson
listen to? Well, he gene was

492
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,980
older than he was, so he had
listened to Gene, you know, and

493
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:12,960
and, and then, and then I told
you the story about Ronnie. He

494
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,760
was a gene fan, right? So Ronnie
kind of he. Ronnie had his own

495
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,140
style, but Ronnie was one of the
first ones to meld rock and roll

496
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:26,420
and orchestra. And that's,
that's my favorite thing to do,

497
00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:29,180
is play with a a rock and roll
rhythm section, with a full

498
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:31,820
orchestra, kicking a full
orchestra, a big band is that's,

499
00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:34,880
that's my favorite thing to do,
although, in Nashville, you

500
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,900
know, when we moved here in 88
there, there was not that much

501
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:44,560
of that to do until when we
started to do the CMA Christmas

502
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,140
specials. All of that's big
band. Well, most of it's big

503
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:50,260
band. And we've been doing, we
just had our 10th, finished our

504
00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:53,860
10th year of the CMA Christmas
specials. I'm at 10 years with

505
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:54,220
that now.

506
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:57,340
So it's like, we have this
calendar every year the things

507
00:28:57,340 --> 00:29:01,500
we can look forward to, there's
like, CRS, CMA Music Fest, and

508
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:03,900
then there's the CMAS and the
ACMs, and then you get into all

509
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,940
your Christmas specials, and
then all the sessions in

510
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:09,660
between, it's like, we got the
NAM show, we got pas we get this

511
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:11,640
whole thing that kind of we can
look forward to.

512
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Yeah, I'm pretty much booked for
the rest of year as much as I

513
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
want to be as four trips to
Europe. And it's, it's gonna be

514
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,000
a lot. Who's the

515
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
gentleman you're playing? Is he
an Elvis impersonator? He's not

516
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,320
an

517
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840
impersonator. Those are the guys
who wear the the jumpsuits.

518
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,180
Yeah? And we won't work with
them. The TCB guys won't work

519
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:30,680
with them. It just that. It's
just awkward, didn't Yeah, but,

520
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:34,820
but guys that do a great job and
really honor Elvis and the fan

521
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:38,420
clubs in Europe are still
ravenous for his music, right?

522
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,860
And because he was such a
tremendous artist, such a great

523
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:44,800
singer. He did a lot of covers.
I mean, he covered a lot of

524
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,860
stuff, especially later on in
life, when he wasn't getting the

525
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,220
top shelf stuff anymore because
of the way the colonel handled

526
00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:53,020
his business. But, but

527
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,200
who played on all the
soundtracks for the Elvis

528
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,980
movies? It was

529
00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:01,680
buddy Harmon and DJ Fontana.
Wow. We lost the. J That's

530
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,180
almost a year ago now. I stay in
touch with pre Hal Blaine. Halb

531
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:12,120
played pretty on the on the
stuff in LA and he played on the

532
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:18,240
on the TV specials. DJ was on
all the movies and but when they

533
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,500
would do the movies, they would
also Elvis would fly buddy out

534
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:25,400
buddy Harmon. So it'd be buddy
and DJ, and sometimes be three

535
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,100
drummers on a lot of them, like
the Beach Boys records, there's,

536
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:32,300
there's, there's two drummers
and two percussionists. And, I

537
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:36,800
mean, it's just yeah, as a
matter of fact, if, if you were

538
00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:41,920
able, if you were able, to see a
credits sheet on Viva Las Vegas.

539
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:49,660
It's, it's buddy Harmon, DJ
Fontana, Louie Bellson, wow, and

540
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,200
gosh, who was the other drummer
that was on it? And it might

541
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,180
been hell as well. Yeah, yeah.
Four full on drummers. Yeah. So

542
00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:01,980
when you listen to it, like,
see,

543
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:07,860
yeah, to our coffee, to our non
drummers out there. Buddy Harmon

544
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,260
was a national session drummer
that played on, I believe,

545
00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:13,680
18,000 recording sessions. And
when I was starting to play the

546
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,480
Grand Ole Opry in the in the
9798 99 he'd be hanging out. He

547
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,380
was always at the opry hanging
out. Like just that was his

548
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:25,400
life, yeah. And Hal Blaine was
probably the first and perhaps

549
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000
last session drummer to own
Rolls Royce's mansions and

550
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,940
yachts. But he liked the ladies

551
00:31:31,939 --> 00:31:34,519
when they were still cheating.
He was married six times,

552
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,620
but the yachts and the Rolls
Royce, he

553
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,080
was married six times. God, rest
his soul.

554
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,460
Take a piece of paper. Cut it in
half, yeah, cut it in half

555
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:45,280
again. Cut it in half again,
right?

556
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Yeah, in half. And he ended up
having to sell half again

557
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,460
records. He had to sell his gold
records

558
00:31:51,459 --> 00:31:54,459
to a limb. Yeah, it's, it was,
it was terrible. I stayed in

559
00:31:54,459 --> 00:31:56,379
touch with him at the at the
end, yeah?

560
00:31:56,439 --> 00:31:59,979
Hal Blaine, yes. He was always
quick with a joke. So friendly.

561
00:31:59,979 --> 00:32:03,119
That's, that's really part of
the equation is, yeah. Your

562
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,579
reading shops together, and you
got to know your electronics,

563
00:32:05,579 --> 00:32:08,039
and you got to be able to play
with a click and tune your drum

564
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,859
and take direction, but at the
same time, really, it's like

565
00:32:10,859 --> 00:32:14,039
that those your personality and
your people skills in in the

566
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,519
room, and how you can deal with
people and and how was probably

567
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,719
the first one to show up and had
his coffee and a cigarette, and

568
00:32:20,719 --> 00:32:23,539
he had the new joke of the day,
and people loved being around

569
00:32:23,539 --> 00:32:24,859
the guy and

570
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:28,040
represent Have you seen the
movie Love and Mercy? No. Would

571
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,160
you see that movie? It's about
Jim's always good for tuning us

572
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,500
on the good movies. Well, I
mean, it's a movie all about

573
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,660
man. What's his name? Brian
Wilson, yeah. And Hal Blaine,

574
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:41,680
there's a, you know, actor in
that movie that plays Hal blame.

575
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:41,980
Yeah, we're

576
00:32:41,979 --> 00:32:44,199
friends on Facebook, that me and
that actor, and we've been

577
00:32:44,199 --> 00:32:46,839
trying to get together for four
years for coffee. Yeah, but

578
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,779
there's a lot of urban sprawl,
sprawl in Los Angeles, so I

579
00:32:49,779 --> 00:32:52,419
split my time. I live with my
girlfriend in West Hollywood,

580
00:32:52,419 --> 00:32:55,839
and when I'm not here, and it is
so fun. Did you find that when

581
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,859
you moved from Los Angeles, you
missed the Thai Lebanese and

582
00:32:59,859 --> 00:33:02,639
Greek food on every street
corner, sushi, you're here.

583
00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:04,319
Like, wow, where's barbecue?

584
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:09,780
We miss shondara, yeah, Shonda,
the Thai food there at kawanga

585
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,960
in the sunset. Yes, I love
shandar. We used to eat there

586
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,780
almost everything. I think it's
a, it's a, it was right beside

587
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:16,380
group four

588
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,620
things like a Katsuya. Now, no,
Chandra still, still there.

589
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:20,360
Okay, I'm gonna go

590
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,380
when we go out, we, when we go
out with Linda, we play the

591
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:28,520
Catalina club out there to get
her ready for Kennedy Center and

592
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Lincoln Center. And did he
Catalina close Catalina club on

593
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,640
Sunset? Yeah, still there.
Catalina Bar and Grill still

594
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,540
there. Okay, yeah, but that's a
it's a fun little venue

595
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:40,900
to play so many jazz clubs
closed, man, but the baked

596
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,580
potato is still rocking. The
potatoes

597
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:45,340
still going. There's a place out
in West Lake where our kids were

598
00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:48,640
born, bogeys.

599
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Is it bogeys? Bogeys, bar I
think it's bogeys, bogeys,

600
00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:54,640
bogeys, yeah. And then there's
the write off room that our

601
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,220
buddy. Do you know, Tony
bronickle, I don't know the

602
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:59,980
session drummer. He played with
Ken Moe for years. He played

603
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:02,400
with Bonnie. Great. He's
actually the guy that recorded,

604
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,860
I can't make you love me with
the brushes on the Bonnie Raitt

605
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,560
song. They could, they couldn't
get a take for whatever reason

606
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,620
he heard the song. He came in
one passer like, that's it.

607
00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:15,420
Boom. That's great. Yeah. I love
those stories. So what are you

608
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,300
most excited about? What have
you learned along the way?

609
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,240
What's your next five years look
like?

610
00:34:20,839 --> 00:34:21,739
Oh gosh,

611
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,780
because, you know, there's going
to be musicians that, not even

612
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,420
drummers, but other
instrumentalists, people that

613
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:32,600
want to get record deals. You
know, you've survived and

614
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,620
thrived in four decades of the
music business, five decades of

615
00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:40,840
the music business. What are the
commonalities? What are some

616
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,600
things that, some advice that
you could give to these

617
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:49,180
dreamers? Drum roll,

618
00:34:52,779 --> 00:34:57,459
I had to do that was good. It
was effective.

619
00:34:57,460 --> 00:35:03,840
The comedy is, tell. Timing,
anticipate,

620
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:14,460
yeah, once again, if you want to
be a if you when, when

621
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,600
technology started coming into
drum, drum world in in the 80s,

622
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:23,480
late 70s and early 80s. A lot of
the guys, Hal and Ronnie, did

623
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,560
not embrace it. They did not
want to really take the trouble

624
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,620
to learn that. And what we had
to do is we had to figure out

625
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:34,460
how to use a lindron. We had to
figure out how to trigger an SDS

626
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:38,540
five and an SDS seven. And why
didn't the SDS seven sound like

627
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:43,540
the SDS five? And when the SDS
five was so popular at the time,

628
00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:45,700
but we all knew that was going
to move on to something else.

629
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,120
That's one thing I learned when
we did the Amy Grant Christmas

630
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:55,060
record with Tennessee, Tennessee
Christmas and all those things

631
00:35:55,060 --> 00:35:59,260
on it that we cut it caribou
actually in July, as most of the

632
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,240
Christmas records you've got,
I'm sure, yes, as with me, you

633
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:07,260
do them in July, bells in July,
sleigh bells in July. So, so.

634
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,360
But I used the Simmons drums on
that. And I'll never use

635
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,300
electronics on a Christmas
record. What year was that? 82

636
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,660
so, because they go on
Christmas, records play for

637
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:24,800
everything. And you, yeah, you
hear that, you go, so you have,

638
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,140
like, 1982 I sound so freaking

639
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:30,740
old. So you had the you had the
Lynn, you had the octopad, you

640
00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:33,740
had the the Simmons. And then
there's, we're

641
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,280
doing splitters coming we'd do
double splitters coming out of

642
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
the back of the lindrum, and
you'd get that sound. And just

643
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,220
that, then that would run
through a a, basically a limiter

644
00:36:45,220 --> 00:36:48,460
that would just pull the spike
off the top of the sound, where

645
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:53,020
you could go into a four out of
16 or or some other thing. Maybe

646
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:56,680
you double and trick, you know,
up triggering more drums and

647
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,680
that kind of stuff. All my
drums. I put piezos on all the

648
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,640
drums so you just plug into the
shell. Still to this day, no,

649
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,180
no, no anymore. Now you know all
the engineers want to run the

650
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:11,520
world, so let them do the let
them do everything. It's so easy

651
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:17,640
to show up. Hell yeah, so, but
what? What that created was a

652
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,720
playing situation where you had
to in order to know you were

653
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,740
firing everything. The dynamics
went out of the kit, which I

654
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:27,620
really miss. But then I get used
to just slamming all the time.

655
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:32,120
And then I realized when I quit
triggering, that you don't have

656
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,880
to play that way all the time,
right? And if you play you're

657
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,680
playing through the heads. It's
it's too far totally. So, so

658
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,520
yeah, but looking forward to the
next five years. Gosh, I I'm

659
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,180
enjoying life. I've got, I've
got, my three kids are very

660
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:54,400
successful. I've got seven great
grandkids. We're, we're trying

661
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,000
to spend more time with them.
And are they all here in this

662
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,380
area, Middle Tennessee?
Actually, my first son's in

663
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:03,900
Vegas. He's still at Nellis.
He'll be getting out of the Air

664
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,300
Force, and he's trying to decide
whether to move back here.

665
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:09,600
Second son is a professor of
theology and at Whitworth

666
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,540
University in Spokane, and our
daughter does live here, just

667
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:15,660
about three minutes from us, and
we have the grandkids over at

668
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:17,880
the house all the time. They
love being in Opus house. That

669
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:22,040
is awesome. It's a great life.
We've gene are still together

670
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,560
and and very thankful. That's

671
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,780
a great victory, right there.
Marriage is tough, especially

672
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:29,120
when you're in the arts and
you're traveling, and you keep

673
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,960
your schedule like you

674
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,260
keep Yeah, so it's but a lot of
times I fly southwest, so much,

675
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,560
she flies with me companion, so
she fries for free. So she loves

676
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,220
that. She goes.

677
00:38:37,879 --> 00:38:40,779
I know there's less there's less
bells and whistles on Southwest,

678
00:38:40,779 --> 00:38:44,019
but I'm a Southwest man because
they I just I find that they're

679
00:38:44,019 --> 00:38:47,679
the kindest, funniest, happiest
employees,

680
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,740
yeah, and you know our
schedules? I know yours does

681
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:53,080
too. Your schedules change all
the time, and they don't, they

682
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:53,800
don't bust your

683
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:59,140
chops for changing the schedule,
and they don't charge you for

684
00:38:59,140 --> 00:38:59,860
the luggage.

685
00:38:59,859 --> 00:39:03,479
And if anybody knows somebody
who is in the executive ranks at

686
00:39:03,479 --> 00:39:06,479
Southwest, we could really
they'd make a great sponsor.

687
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:10,080
Are you kidding me? Speaking of
sponsors, we got to pay some

688
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,280
bills. We'll be right back

689
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,580
the rich Redman show. We'll be
right back.

690
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:20,240
Learn by Doing, I definitely
think resonates with what we're

691
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:25,580
about here at the School of
Rock. I'm Angie McCarthy, and

692
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:29,300
I'm the owner of the School of
Rock in Franklin and Nashville.

693
00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:32,660
I would say that the majority of
kids that come in have either

694
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:35,900
been sitting in their bedrooms
watching YouTube, learning how

695
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:40,040
to play, or they've taken music
lessons at some point in their

696
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,660
life. We do have a lot of
beginners. It doesn't matter

697
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:47,380
what level you're at, you can
participate in our programs,

698
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,980
whether you're a beginner or
you're advanced. We don't teach

699
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:54,220
music to put on shows. We put on
shows to teach

700
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:58,840
music. Connect with School of
Rock today. Search School of

701
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,900
Rock Franklin. Four Nashville.

702
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,760
This is the rich Redmond show.

703
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:10,020
You know, I used to have my
drums parked right across from

704
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:14,220
you, over at SSU, and Jim
Handley was your guy forever?

705
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:16,740
Was your drum tech? Is he still
working with you? He's been with

706
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:20,600
me over 25 years. And so I would
always look, and I would see you

707
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,280
would have old Yamaha electronic
drums and octopads and things.

708
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,620
You were just like, I better not
get rid of this. Maybe it'll

709
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:31,040
come back. I was like, it was
like, almost like a museum of

710
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,060
electronic percussion.

711
00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:34,280
I wish I could find the
syndromes. Yeah, I don't know

712
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,740
what happened to him. Just
somewhere along the way, right?

713
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:38,240
Yeah. They disappeared.

714
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,780
Disco right. Then, did you ever
meet Yogi Horton? Yogi Horton,

715
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:46,600
he was like, the he played on
the hustle. He was like, Oh, the

716
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,680
disco guy.

717
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,740
I didn't know who would have
played on that, yeah. I didn't

718
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:53,140
know if it would have been ed or
someone. Yeah,

719
00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:56,140
Ed green, he died, and Ed is
here. Is he not? Ed's here,

720
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,560
yeah,

721
00:40:56,620 --> 00:41:00,780
I did a thing for see him
fantasy weekend. Did you did? I

722
00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:03,720
was thinking you did that last,
last year, fantasy weekend that

723
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,840
they put on rock and roll
fantasy weekend. Oh, I saw him

724
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,160
there. They put it

725
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:10,560
on a couple of them in Los
Angeles. I thought you had,

726
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,240
yeah. David fish, off.

727
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:17,880
David Fisher, yeah, used to
manage. This is a great Do we

728
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,980
have time? Sure. So talking to
David. And David used to manage,

729
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:25,340
road manager, Ringo, right,
right? And so, so we were

730
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:28,400
talking with David. David's a
great guy. And he said, you know

731
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,060
when? When I said, Well, you
know, with that expensive band

732
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:36,560
that Ringo takes out and he's
playing the Ryman, do you make

733
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,040
any money? And and David said,
Nah, he doesn't make any money.

734
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,720
Spends it all on private jets,
and, yeah, and, and paying the

735
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,460
band, you know, he's got, I
mean, he's

736
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,060
Luke or therapist, yeah, he's
got expensive, incredibly

737
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:51,760
expensive band, right? Yeah, he
didn't make any money, but he

738
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,100
stays home. And he's a schmuck,
taking out the trash. He goes on

739
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:55,000
the road. He's a beetle

740
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,920
Ringo takes out his own trash.
Wow.

741
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:06,240
You know what? If you guys go to
Paul lime.com it's L, E, I m,

742
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,640
there's a lot of information
about Paul. You can see pictures

743
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,280
of all the celebrities worked
with over the year. His gear,

744
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:14,220
there's videos, there's a full
discography, and he's got this

745
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:16,560
thing called Paul's hit
snippets. And so when you've

746
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,560
worked with everyone from Linda
Carter to Shinya Twain and

747
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,340
everybody in between, Reba
McIntyre, Rogers, every you

748
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:27,980
played on, I've had the time of
my life, the Grammy Award

749
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:31,460
winning song that I played at
weddings. There's, there's a

750
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:31,820
little

751
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:33,860
that's a good pair. I get paid
from that all over the

752
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:37,820
there's a little medley you have
of just some of your hits. And

753
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:39,980
so we're gonna fire up a little
bit of this right now. Okay,

754
00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:42,860
take it down memory lane.

755
00:42:42,859 --> 00:42:46,899
Yeah. Got this

756
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:08,100
feeling. This is normally where
I come in when I'm doing a

757
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:09,300
clinic. I'll play.

758
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,920
I'll come in and start playing
there, and then, then I'll play

759
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,140
the rest of this whole thing
through. It lasts about 25

760
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,180
minutes. Nice?

761
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:55,840
Is it me? I love you. Take me
right

762
00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:02,980
back to the

763
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,900
if I'm not

764
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,480
in love, I'm

765
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:30,020
on the first I'm not in

766
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:38,420
love, I'm on the verge

767
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,080
over the water,

768
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:44,800
everything gets hotter when the
sun goes down. That's just

769
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,000
incredible, incredible. Now

770
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:56,860
you're talking about a changing
industry of the 250 million

771
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680
records you play on Chennai was
responsible for 75

772
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Of them, at least, yeah.

773
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:04,800
And then you were saying, you
know, Taylor Swift's just as big

774
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,000
as Shania Twain. She only sold
15 million. Now, that's the

775
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,020
difference. That's

776
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,260
what's happened to our business,
yeah. And obviously, she's ever

777
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:17,040
been as successful as she now
ever was, but it just it. You

778
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,280
know, she's probably got as
many, if not more, spin. What do

779
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
we call them? Any more spin,
spins on spot. Yeah. What do

780
00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:27,440
they call it? Spotify, or the
columns plays, yeah, events, or

781
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,580
whatever it is. But yeah, that's
where, that's how much the

782
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:36,260
business has changed. It's just,
I don't think, from a CD

783
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:39,140
standpoint, it is not possible
for that to happen again. And

784
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:41,860
I'm not bragging. I'm just
saying, unfortunately for guys

785
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:45,820
coming up, can you say, what,
what you have? What can you

786
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:51,160
recommend for guys and and
there's the difficult part is

787
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,860
that we all know is you used to
good, go and play a club gig for

788
00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:58,180
100 bucks a month, and you could
get a great apartment for 200

789
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,880
bucks a month. I mean, yeah,
hello, play for 100 bucks a

790
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,540
month. Yeah, that was really and
no go and play for 50 or 100

791
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,420
bucks a night, right? Five
nights a week at a club

792
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:10,260
somewhere, you may 500 bucks a
week, make couple $1,000 a

793
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:13,020
month. This back in the 70s,
make a couple $1,000 a month,

794
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,320
and your and your rent was 200
bucks a month at an apartment.

795
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:23,480
That's a 10 to one ratio, yeah,
and it's a Gosh, and it's just

796
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,060
money went so much further. You
know, they say there's not

797
00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:29,960
inflation now, it's absolute
crap. Inflation is so bad. It's

798
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,260
unbelievable. Yeah, they do it
on purpose. But anyway, you

799
00:46:33,260 --> 00:46:33,680
remember

800
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,860
when I told you about the one of
the episodes we talked about

801
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:41,020
this, when tool released their
last album, they did something

802
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:46,180
very interesting, actually, to
encourage a full CD buyout. They

803
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:50,320
included a digital screen, like
a little LCD screen, that you

804
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,320
could actually play videos on
and download content to, and

805
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,820
encourage people to download the
entire album, as opposed to just

806
00:46:57,820 --> 00:47:01,380
buying a single. That's good,
yeah, it's very innovative, and

807
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:03,960
it's almost like the pendulum
shift, kind of going back down.

808
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:04,620
That'd be nice.

809
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,380
That was a business model
invented by the by the New York

810
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:13,380
attorneys, by the way. But when
Elvis was having hits, it was a

811
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:16,860
singles business. You never saw
a single from James Taylor,

812
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,760
right, right. Even Neil Diamond,
early 7375 still had some

813
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,280
singles, but you know, after 70,
after 75 there were no singles

814
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,340
anymore, and what they forced
you to do is buy 10 Songs.

815
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:34,160
Instead of about to get one. You
had to buy 10, right? That was

816
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,900
also a planned thing by very
smart attorneys, right? People

817
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:41,320
still wanted to just to hear the
hit, and they'd hear the hit on

818
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,020
the radio, but you had to buy
the record, right? So they

819
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:47,920
basically could force people in
the corner. So from a standpoint

820
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,080
of liking songs or having your
favorite song, our business was

821
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:59,560
inflated, kind of artificially
for for 2025, years, just from

822
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,640
that business model. As you
know, most things in life are

823
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:10,800
business model and the so it's
when it left that that's where

824
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,460
the difficulty came in. We're
back to a singles business now.

825
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,780
But now what you're talking
about now if, if, if they are

826
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:22,400
incentivizing piece people to
buy the entire album. That's

827
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,660
That's beautiful. You remember

828
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:26,180
when you bought albums, they
still, they told a story. You

829
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:29,060
know, my first album I listened
to, and I always heart, I get

830
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:32,300
made fun of online, inflamed by
our fans that I bring up Van

831
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,120
Halen so much. But that was the
first album I listened to, front

832
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:35,600
to back.

833
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:38,240
Sunset Sound, right there. They
recorded that whole searcher.

834
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:39,320
Yeah, man.

835
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,660
But I mean, that was it. You
could read. You remember the

836
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,620
sonic qualities going from song
to song to song, and it told

837
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,140
somewhat of a story. You know,
they're kind of put together. I

838
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:53,560
mean, that isn't really done
anymore. It's that's got to come

839
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:53,980
back.

840
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,280
Yeah, talking about sunset.
Sound ever worked there? Yeah.

841
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,500
You know the courtyard in the
middle? Yeah, we were doing

842
00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:04,740
Kenny and Dolly Christmas
record. This little tune called

843
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:08,940
I believe in Santa Claus, and
I'll be, you know, Christmas

844
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:13,800
without you. Just anyway, every
Christmas it plays, and Foster's

845
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,100
producing it. So we're out there
on a break, and John Hobbs and

846
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,360
Billy Walker and Joe Schmee were
outside. We're shooting bass,

847
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,100
yeah, shooting hoops. Walker,
Walker, Foster, David Foster,

848
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,920
comes out. And he worked there
so much he came out and he said,

849
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Throw me the ball. And there was
a hoop was on the right side of

850
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
the courtyard, and there was a
straight wall on the left,

851
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,480
straight wall on the right,
behind the

852
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:38,660
behind the hoops on the right,
on the

853
00:49:39,980 --> 00:49:44,740
basketball goal. On the right,
he comes out and he hauls the

854
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:49,900
ball as hard as he can toward
the wall on the left, it hits,

855
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:55,300
goes over the top, hits the wall
on the far side and goes through

856
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:56,380
the net. Nothing but

857
00:49:56,380 --> 00:50:00,720
net. Damn. He just got a golden
touch like. With everything he

858
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:01,920
does about somebody

859
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,700
can't do anything wrong, he
can't and it was we all just

860
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:06,000
went

861
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,960
and he has actually, David
Foster has actually fostered

862
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,460
generations of celebrities like
his fit now he's married to

863
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:16,980
Catherine McCarthy, but then
he's like, his children are all

864
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:20,040
like, massive influencers in
fashion and cosmetics. So

865
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,640
yeah, we're great friends with
Linda Thompson. He was married

866
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,100
to Linda had kids with Linda
Thompson. They would come to our

867
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,020
house. When they come to town,
they would come to our house,

868
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:29,540
the golden touch. So speaking of
that, looking back, do you have

869
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,260
favorite producers, musicians,
songwriters, studios, I mean,

870
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:39,380
because I'm sure kids, unless
you journal or keep a diary,

871
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,200
even me, you know, 2324 years in
a Nashville, it's very blurry.

872
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,560
Someone has to remind you, yeah,
you remember? I don't remember

873
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,680
that, but thank you for
reminding me something like come

874
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,460
to mind,

875
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:54,820
favorite rooms, favorite
producers. Yeah,

876
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,080
I really enjoyed a lot of guys
didn't enjoy working with mutt,

877
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,540
but I really enjoyed working
with Mutt Lange. He was, when it

878
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:08,040
comes to music, I'm pretty much
of a perfectionist. I'm a little

879
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,620
bit of a music snob, right?
Because I've done so many

880
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:11,460
different things

881
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:14,760
or so, for those that don't
know, he produced Shania, but he

882
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,500
also produced AC, DC and DEF,
Leppard

883
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,540
and Brian Adams and yeah, you
can, you can hear a mutt song in

884
00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:24,740
a second when it comes on. You
know it's mine, but he was great

885
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:28,160
to work with David Malloy.
Working with David Malloy, I

886
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,980
enjoyed that. Kyle Lenning, for
sure. All the Randy Travis

887
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:34,820
records, beautiful buddy cannon,
all the Kenny Chesney records.

888
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:39,320
I've did Kenny Kenny's records
for over 20 years. Nice Guy and

889
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:44,740
buddy's great guy. Used to be a
bass player on the road with I

890
00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:51,760
can't think of it right now, but
anyway, yeah, the what? I'm so

891
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,180
thankful that that I've had the
opportunity to work in so many

892
00:51:55,180 --> 00:51:58,720
different situations. I'm not
good at doing the same thing.

893
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,600
I'm not sure. I would not
probably have been able to do

894
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,500
what Ronnie tut did and be with
Neil for 35 years. 3540

895
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:11,160
years, I'm already at 20 and I
play the same 24 songs every

896
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,440
night. Yeah, that's why I got to
go do some

897
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,720
other things. You got to do
something else to keep your

898
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,780
fresh. And because in LA, you
know, in the morning, you'd be

899
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:21,020
doing an American Airlines
commercial, then that night,

900
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:23,480
you'd be doing a lot of Richie.
Then the next morning, you'd be

901
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,120
doing Battlestar galactic. And
then that afternoon, you'd be on

902
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,540
a jet flying over to Vegas to do
two shows with Doc Severinsen.

903
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:32,900
Get on the jet, fly back home,
you'd end up in Universal Studio

904
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:39,140
The next morning doing Buck
Rogers in the 21st Century.

905
00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:41,140
Yeah, I watched the little
shows. And then you get back on

906
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:43,360
the jet, and you fly to Vegas,
you do two shows with jock, and

907
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,580
you fly back, and the next
morning, you're at bell sound,

908
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:48,880
doing American Airlines again.
Then you get, you know, just it

909
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,160
was always something different.
It was so healthy

910
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,500
though. I mean, you were, you
were primed for it, and you were

911
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,900
trained for it, and you were
called for it. You know, when I

912
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:58,420
was in college, the seven years
that I went to higher education,

913
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:02,160
studying everything from
playing, you know, Night on Bald

914
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:05,040
Mountain, you know, mountain on
the symbols to learning crotali

915
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,820
parts and sure over training
myself and really working on my

916
00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:11,460
reading playing in the one
o'clock lab and with charts 20

917
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:16,020
pages long. Sure, then the music
business dies. And I don't have

918
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,780
an outlet for this stuff. You
know what I mean. But I come and

919
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:23,060
so when I have to play a three
chord, rock, country song, all

920
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:25,400
the training makes it super
easy.

921
00:53:25,399 --> 00:53:29,839
Yeah, what, what you trained for
is what I was, I'm not once

922
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,239
again, I'm not bragging. What
I'm saying is, we had an

923
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,139
industry and out in Los Angeles
where you had to go in and sight

924
00:53:36,139 --> 00:53:39,379
read on the drums. And then
when, what? When there wasn't a

925
00:53:39,379 --> 00:53:41,739
cue, like with John Williams,
there wasn't a cue, then you'd

926
00:53:41,739 --> 00:53:46,299
go over and be with Joe Picardo
or Jeff's dad, Joe picaro, or

927
00:53:46,299 --> 00:53:50,499
Emil Richards, or Larry bunker,
or bunk or or or any of the

928
00:53:50,499 --> 00:53:53,019
guys. You'd go over there and
they would put you on a temp

929
00:53:53,019 --> 00:53:56,499
part, or they put you on and I'm
not, I'm not a mallets guy. You

930
00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:58,779
you actually, with your
training, you're you're more

931
00:53:58,779 --> 00:54:03,719
qualified to have done what I
was doing. The problem is, by

932
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,319
the time you it got to the point
where you'd have been very

933
00:54:07,319 --> 00:54:10,199
successful doing movies and
television in Los Angeles with

934
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:14,819
your experience and knowledge
and education. Seinfeld had come

935
00:54:14,819 --> 00:54:19,439
out, yeah. And instead of a Q
being a full orchestra at

936
00:54:19,439 --> 00:54:24,979
$20,000 a week, it was brown
burpee. And the cat was out of

937
00:54:24,979 --> 00:54:28,279
the bag that you didn't have to
spend that much money every week

938
00:54:28,279 --> 00:54:29,719
on a big on a big orchestra.

939
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:33,200
Yeah, King of Queens. The music
is like a cash register opening

940
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,640
and closing and finger snaps.

941
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,260
It's insane. It turned into it
turned into Dollar General

942
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:44,500
Walmart, instead of being Neiman
Marcus music for for every,

943
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,520
every TV show.

944
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,580
God, I missed the Golden Age and
talked to Alex Acuna recently,

945
00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:52,840
who is still in his mid 70s, is
still crushing it playing on all

946
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,740
the Marvel movies and stuff. And
I guess then the new hot guy is

947
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,260
Bernie Dressel. So between.
Cunha and Bernie Dressel.

948
00:55:01,260 --> 00:55:04,020
They're doing all the Marvel
movies and all right, you know?

949
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:06,960
And that's like the elite, you
know, big budget stuff, and then

950
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,600
everything else for like
independent films and stuff. Is

951
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,480
a laptop composer, so it's
really affected everyone.

952
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,060
And it's the stuff really sounds
good, you know, when I don't,

953
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:18,060
when I'm producing a record, and
I don't have the budget to hire,

954
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,500
to hire Chris, to do strings and
stuff like that, and do a real

955
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:25,580
orchestra, you know, you get
somebody like Larry Hall, and it

956
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:28,580
just sounds fantastic, but
there's a, there's a guilt

957
00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:31,280
factor in there, yeah, because
I'm a, I'm a lifetime musician,

958
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,060
my I'm, I am musicians, I'm your
biggest fan. You know what I'm

959
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:38,480
saying? I'm, I'm lifetime
musicians. I'm the, I'm the, I'm

960
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,500
their biggest fan.

961
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,920
Well, you're the guy that's
always at the union meetings and

962
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,880
stuff, right?

963
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,120
Not anymore, I know, after being
a trustee and putting so much

964
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,200
time into that, yeah,

965
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,500
I backed away from am I gonna
have

966
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:52,240
my retirement? Is it gonna be
around?

967
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:53,680
Yes,

968
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,840
let me ask you. Buy more rental
condos. Yes, that's what I'm

969
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,500
doing. Yes,

970
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,160
you mentioned, like, you know,
you know, I'm a huge Marvel fan,

971
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,860
and part of that, that
experience, is the music. Are

972
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:08,640
you telling me that it's not? I
mean, the the orchestration of

973
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,700
that music, is it not what I
think it is? It's not a big room

974
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:14,820
of music. No, that, that is,
that is, yes, but that is, like,

975
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,360
big budget. That is, I mean,
because the music is just

976
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,500
incredible. I mean, the

977
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,220
last and then they did that
Superman music movie where they

978
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:25,760
had, you know, like 20 drummers
with drum sets. Hans Zimmer

979
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,120
brought in, like, anybody who
owned a drum set at the highest

980
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,400
level in Los Angeles, and
everybody played at the same

981
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:31,880
time. And I'm

982
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,760
speaking of a layman here, from
a layman standpoint. Give me an

983
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,420
example of the opposite of that,
of what you're talking about.

984
00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:38,480
The

985
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,260
opposite of that would be a
laptop composer who basically

986
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:44,200
has all sorts of plugins for,
like, right, somebody who's

987
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,800
sampled the Vienna or symphony,
and they have those sounds in

988
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,740
their laptop, and they go, I
really want to have some real

989
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:53,920
drums and percussion. So then
you come over and you can do

990
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,920
everything at the guy's crib, or
you're set up like this, and you

991
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,960
could do it yourself and send
files to the guy.

992
00:56:59,020 --> 00:57:01,680
But I mean, what? What are like?
You know, the big band example

993
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,860
is Marvel. What's an example of
that where they kind of scale it

994
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:07,320
down, and they do it off a
laptop, and they come to mind, I

995
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:07,560
don't

996
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,760
know. I have to look at the
union

997
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,520
contract. A lot of horror films
are like a laptop composers, and

998
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,040
then they may bring sprinkle in
some real instruments here.

999
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,980
Okay, so some of the percussion
sounds you hear now in movies

1000
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:19,980
went to the new Star Wars The
other night, and some of those

1001
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:24,560
sounds you hear those, yeah,
those big sound design. It's

1002
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,100
bigger than you can it's bigger
than you can physically make it.

1003
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:33,560
You just can't do that. But an
acoustic instruments, acoustic

1004
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,620
instrument insurance instruments
just don't sound like so what?

1005
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,160
What a lot of the orchestrators
do, they almost always nowadays,

1006
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,140
do a mock up. And if you have an
older guy, say, anybody older

1007
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:49,240
than 45 this is a
generalization, but you take

1008
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,120
somebody like Johnny Harris, who
arranged all the Tom Jones

1009
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,720
records, and we did all the
Wonder Woman series, and all

1010
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,780
like that, with Johnny, when he
does it a mock up, it's, it's

1011
00:57:58,780 --> 00:58:01,740
whatever he can get to to get
close and it's, you know, it's,

1012
00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:04,740
he'll say, he'll say, this is
cheesy. This is not what it's

1013
00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:07,140
going to sound like. Put drums
on this. I'm going to overdub

1014
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:09,960
the orchestra, right? But you
take somebody like on Zimmer,

1015
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,520
he's fabulous at doing real
orchestra stuff, and then

1016
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,220
they'll overdub the orchestra on
the orchestra stuff he's already

1017
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:20,840
got. So then he's already got
his, he's already got his parts,

1018
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,240
parts marked and and spots
picked out through where that

1019
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,000
were, the big booms and the big
in, the big sounds that are

1020
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,360
bigger than life, yeah. And
that's Michael Bay sounds. Yeah.

1021
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,880
That's, that's part of having
the work print ahead of time.

1022
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,820
And, yeah, did you ever do, did
you ever do movies and stuff?

1023
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,440
I so want to now. I'm now, I'm
just like, you know, I want to

1024
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,000
be on the screen, so I started
studying acting, got my sad

1025
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,880
card, and I have my voice over
demo. I have a hosting reel.

1026
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,600
It's fun just to kind of explore
that other stuff, you know,

1027
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,020
yeah, it's icing on the cake.
Yeah, sure. So this has been so

1028
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:58,540
fun. Jim, Yeah, buddy, what did
you learn from our guest? You

1029
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:00,960
know, I've learned the
differences between a real

1030
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,620
orchestra and a laptop. I mean,
it's, I had no idea, you know,

1031
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,040
I, like I said, if, if you were
to pull up a song, I

1032
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,980
could play you one right now,
you would not believe I filled

1033
00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:14,280
the conductor of the National
Symphony. Is that on Spotify

1034
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:20,040
track? Look, see if you can go
to go to Amazon music, okay, and

1035
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,520
I think it's on Amazon. See, did
I just type in amazon.com

1036
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:26,600
amazon.com and go to Jesse Lee
Jones, who owns Roberts western

1037
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,180
world here in town. He's a
Brazil, while you're looking for

1038
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:32,300
that, he's a Brazilian immigrant
that came over and 30 years

1039
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:36,380
after he listened to Tom Jones
and Elvis Presley growing up,

1040
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:39,620
and 30 years after he was here,
he wanted to do this all the

1041
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:42,400
songs that he grew up listening
to that he loved, and he just,

1042
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,180
he's a great singer. You know?
He's got the band downtown with

1043
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:49,180
Robert's western world called
Brazil Billy. So they do real

1044
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:53,260
traditional country music. But
he's, he's, he does,

1045
00:59:54,940 --> 00:59:55,960
it's funny, but they're

1046
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,960
great. They are. They've been
around a long time. Would you?

1047
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:06,240
Jesse Lee. Jones and see if you
can find that, and then see if

1048
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,560
that'll show up there. And then

1049
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:12,120
I've been in love so many a
selection of sacred songs. I

1050
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:12,420
wonder

1051
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,040
if I'll never see if you can
find I'll never fall in love. I

1052
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,520
wonder if

1053
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,800
he's on Spotify. Jesse Lee
Jones, because I don't, I don't

1054
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,200
know how Amazon Music Works.

1055
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,800
Jesse Lee Jones, justice, right
there. Jesse Lee Jones, I'll

1056
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,940
never fall in love again.

1057
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:31,280
See if you can find it. And

1058
01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:33,440
that looks like dude.

1059
01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:39,020
So this is an example of this is
listen to the opening of this.

1060
01:00:39,020 --> 01:00:42,520
And the way I the way I

1061
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,880
call samples harp,

1062
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,640
I've been in love so many times.

1063
01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:09,360
Thought I knew the score,

1064
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:16,020
but now you've treated me so
wrong.

1065
01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:20,900
I can take anymore.

1066
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:29,960
Yeah, you can kind

1067
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,520
of, kind of sort of tell

1068
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,500
so, no, you can't. I wanted
this. I wanted this to feel like

1069
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:44,620
an orchestra, Joe gershio Elvis'
conductor, and Mr. Las Vegas, he

1070
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:47,200
would have seven orchestras
going at once in the 70s in

1071
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:53,740
Vegas, he introduced me to to
Jesse Lee and but by that time

1072
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:56,320
with Graceland, I was pretty
much helping Joe all the time

1073
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,420
with with coordination and
projects and stuff like that. So

1074
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:05,460
but I wanted this to feel like
it was conducted. And matter of

1075
01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:08,160
fact, Joe sat out in the studio
and was conducting while we were

1076
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:13,980
playing. I love him. I miss him
so much. But anyway, so I had, I

1077
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:19,500
had Larry build the orchestra
part first, and we overdubbed

1078
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,300
the rhythm section to it. And I
said, Give me a click. Give me a

1079
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,840
moving click. I want the click
to move. I don't want it to be I

1080
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,540
want it to feel like I want it
to move and flow with the

1081
01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:32,060
orchestra first, and then we're
going to, we're going to overdub

1082
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:34,160
the rhythm section to it. He
said, you want to do this

1083
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,260
backwards, don't you? And I
said, Yeah, that's what I want

1084
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:38,960
to do. So that's on several
tracks on that record, we were

1085
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,180
able to make it feel and it's
not only a rhythm thing.

1086
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:47,140
Orchestras don't play perfect
time, you know, play organic

1087
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:50,140
time. They'll play organic time.
That's a good way to put it. And

1088
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:58,120
so we were able to, when I
brought in Jim Gray, we had to

1089
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,820
do the homeless shelter concerts
that we do every year with the

1090
01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:08,700
Nashville Symphony had Jim come
in and and do take downs on this

1091
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,940
so we could do so we could do it
live with the orchestra. And

1092
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:18,120
when he listened to it, he was
said on that trumpet, he said

1093
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,500
that that's a high F. He said, I
know Steve's got a high E. I

1094
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:25,100
didn't, I didn't think he had
high a triple I knew he had a

1095
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:28,760
triple E. I know I have a triple
F. I mean, that's really high.

1096
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,180
Yeah. Then he said, Oh, that
French horn players. That's,

1097
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,700
that's perfect. That's been
perfect, too. And that must be

1098
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:37,760
Helen. It must be Helen. He's,
he's telling me who my band is,

1099
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,240
right, right?

1100
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,960
Did you say anything? Not for a

1101
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,600
while, I didn't. And of course,
his his copyist was there too.

1102
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,640
And when I finally said, guys,
it's all faux in copies. Oh, no,

1103
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:58,480
I knew. I knew it.

1104
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,400
I knew that was all Yeah, I
could tell,

1105
01:04:04,740 --> 01:04:08,040
oh, my god, so Jim, what I
learned is that to survive and

1106
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,260
thrive in five decades of the
music business, you have to

1107
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:13,260
grow, evolve and change. Stay
Ahead of things, embrace things,

1108
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,040
be a knowledgeable, likable
person, and show up with your

1109
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,600
big boy pants ready to rock. 30
minutes early. 30 minutes early

1110
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,960
is the way to go get your cup of
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01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,500
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01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:40,040
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1116
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,960
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1117
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,940
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1118
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:52,060
and say thank you for five
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1119
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:54,940
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1120
01:04:54,940 --> 01:04:57,460
having real pleasure. Happy New
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1121
01:04:57,460 --> 01:04:59,560
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