The Next Reel Film Podcast

“You know, if they take a personal belonging, something that you treasure, then there’s no escape from them. You’ll be marked and they’ll always know how to find you.”
Uncovering the Horrors of War and Gender Inequality
Iranian filmmaker Babak Anvari's directorial debut, Under the Shadow, hit the festival circuit in 2016, garnering critical acclaim and numerous awards. Set in Tehran during the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, this Persian-language horror film delves into the personal and societal struggles of a mother and daughter as they face both the terrors of war and the oppression of gender inequality. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue the Ghost Stories series with a conversation about Under the Shadow.
Peeling Back the Layers of Fear
From the ever-present threat of war to the social horror of gender inequality, Anvari masterfully weaves together a tapestry of terror that keeps viewers on the edge of their seats. We discuss how the film's supernatural elements, in the form of malevolent spirits known as djinn, serve as a metaphor for the protagonist's internal struggles and the trauma she faces.
Throughout our conversation, we explore the powerful performances of the film's lead actors, particularly Narges Rashidi as the mother, Shideh. Her portrayal of a woman grappling with the loss of her dreams and the pressures of motherhood in a war-torn, patriarchal society is both haunting and inspiring. We also touch on the film's effective use of sound design and cinematography to create an atmosphere of unease and dread.
Digging Deeper into the Discussion
  • The symbolism of the doll as a representation of Shideh's maternal instincts and her daughter's need for protection
  • The ambiguity surrounding the origins of the djinn and their connection to the characters' trauma
  • The film's commentary on the psychological effects of war and oppression on individuals and society
  • The open-ended nature of the film's conclusion and its implications for the characters' futures
Unveiling the Significance of Under the Shadow
Under the Shadow is a testament to the power of horror cinema to explore complex social and political issues. By blending the supernatural with the all-too-real horrors of war and gender inequality, Anvari has crafted a film that is both terrifying and thought-provoking. Despite some minor criticisms regarding the clarity of certain plot points, we ultimately find Under the Shadow to be a compelling and essential addition to the canon of international horror cinema. We have a great time talking about it, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!
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Creators and Guests

Host
Andy Nelson
With over 25 years of experience in film, television, and commercial production, Andy has cultivated an enduring passion for storytelling in all its forms. His enthusiasm for the craft began in his youth when he and his friends started making their own movies in grade school. After studying film at the University of Colorado Boulder, Andy wrote, directed, and produced several short films while also producing indie features like Netherbeast Incorporated and Ambush at Dark Canyon. Andy has been on the production team for award-winning documentaries such as The Imposter and The Joe Show, as well as TV shows like Investigation Discovery’s Deadly Dentists and Nat Geo’s Inside the Hunt for the Boston Bombers. Over a decade ago, he started podcasting with Pete and immediately embraced the medium. Now, as a partner at TruStory FM, Andy looks forward to more storytelling through their wide variety of shows. Throughout his career, Andy has passed on his knowledge by teaching young minds the crafts of screenwriting, producing, editing, and podcasting. Outside of work, Andy is a family man who enjoys a good martini, a cold beer, a nice cup o’ joe. And always, of course, a great movie.
Host
Pete Wright
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