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What's up guys and welcome to a brand new episode of clear comps.

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Today we're joined by returning guest Paz.

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Thanks Paz for coming back and brand new guest, the Bulgarian prince himself, Boger.

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How you doing man?

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Hello, I'm good.

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I'm good.

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I've been playing Rivals.

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Unfortunately for me, and games have been very interesting recently, so I'm very excited
for this little talk we're gonna have.

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If

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In your tier list.

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I watched the first minute of your video that's like, uh this is what's wrong with rivals
or something like that.

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Someone just leaves out of nowhere.

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Yeah, it's just, yeah.

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bad.

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I had a first game.

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had Line Pro on my team and Line Pro told our JF the Lone Shark, we're in a top 500 lobby.

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Please don't OAT.

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You will die.

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Like don't go into them.

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Just go back.

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He OATs, goes in, dies.

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Line Pro crashed out on him.

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Second game was this guy leaving.

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don't know, second game, my team just decided to go for tanks again against a bunch of top
500 players.

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lost.

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Third game was that guy just saying, jeez, I'm bored and left after one fight.

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And I was like, bro, what the fuck?

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Yeah

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where you tweeted about it and the guy just had left the game.

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I think it was what it was.

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First fight, first fight, instantly left.

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What do you think that is?

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Do you think that's more the player base or just like the game putting people in a
position to fail?

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people are always like that.

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Definitely the game isn't putting you in a position to fail because I'll be honest, that's
like uh conspiracy theories.

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I don't believe it because how are you going to even execute it?

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You have to have people on your payroll that you're sending out on people when they start
winning, right?

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Like it just doesn't make sense.

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They could be putting you in lobbies ah that are like a little bit more difficult because
you are in a winning streak and they want to balance it.

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Maybe, mayhaps.

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I don't really care too much.

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I think.

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The fact that good players always win and climb consistently every season.

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Like the top players always get high rank, right?

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Like, trust me and Zypé, whatever else, right?

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There has to be a trick to it.

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There has to be a way to climb.

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think if there is consistency to it, if it's not random every season, then I believe like
the best players do prosper.

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But I think it's just the sentiment of the player base.

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And whenever a game does badly, the players get really...

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uh

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you

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at everything and then they crash out a lot easier.

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I've had people crash out almost every game.

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yeah.

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uh What do mean with balance?

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like, think you're kind of, you're kind of referring more to like EOM, guess, or like the
matchmaking.

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I'm talking like, uh, you're forced to play certain characters that you may not want to
play.

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So you're kind of prioritizing, climbing over fun because of the meta, right?

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yeah, but I don't think the meta matters too much unless you're high tier games and I've
noticed this happening in any ELO.

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I've played with some friends off stream, happens in those games too.

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ah My friends have told me that have been playing the game and like plat and stuff,
they're having horrible time with games, right?

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So yeah, you kind of are pushed to play meta characters, but that's in every game.

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And I don't think the meta characters matter.

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until like Celestial and like Eternity, right?

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it's just people are tired ah of the balancing of the game in the sense that yeah, you
don't have to play meta characters, but it does suck when the enemy team rolls out in

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Phoenix and they're with similar skill level as you.

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So they're going to win a lot more than if you're playing Mr.

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Fnaster, right?

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So I think people have been seeing the same thing over and over again.

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They kind of tired.

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There are pigs that are really broken though.

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Like they're gambit like straight up that character definitely, right?

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No question on every rank broken.

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Well, I want to ask you, how do you feel about the state of the game?

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Because you say that some people are kind of frustrated.

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Do you think it's just a lot of the same stuff that's getting old because it's the same
meta over and over again?

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Or do you just think like the actual meta of the game, the balance of the game is just
wrong?

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Like they need to do some dramatic steps to kind of bring that in line.

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There is no right or wrong meta.

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Everybody is going to have their own idea of what's supposed to be.

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ah But um I think there's characters that are too strong.

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And I think we've had Gambit be too strong for too long.

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And it's forcing people to ban him every game because otherwise the game becomes really
unplayable.

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I think definitely that character needs to be hard nerfed.

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I don't know why they're scared to nerf him because I talked about it in a different
podcast.

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If you don't nerve the really broken characters because you're scared to offend the player
base that plays that character and you don't want to nerve their core kit, like I think

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they're too afraid to touch result.

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What happens is the character is so busted that he gets banned every game and then the
people that actually main him don't get to play him.

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Like, so it's like a lose-lose situation at end of the day.

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think people that want to trade Gambit and love Gambit, they don't want him to be
gigabroken because also there is less skill expression.

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It's less hype to play Gambit.

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Because you're just an ult bot.

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you're just playing for your ult, farming it, ulting, winning the fight, right?

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If you don't manage that, you lose, right?

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So that character needs to go for sure.

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DPS has so many picks and I feel like it's mostly limited to like five or six.

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Like the roster is so big and like, especially in high elo.

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um Phoenix, Hela got nerfed.

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Hawkeye is just, I don't think he's broken.

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I think he's horrible to play against.

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Like one shots are not fun.

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We've seen it from Overwatch.

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Nobody likes one shot, so.

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um I think that character also kind of needs nerves.

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But I think they just need to nerve the characters and it'll be meta for a while.

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It's just boring.

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It's just boring to see the same thing over and over again when your streamers play, when
pro players play, when they stream, when tournaments play.

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It's just boring seeing the same thing over and over again.

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It's just exhausting.

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Paz, who do you think is the number one, like most broken character right now?

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He kind of rattled off a few, but it is Gambit still.

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not even close.

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It's just Gambit.

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Well, here's the thing, people are catching up to it.

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Tankpool is also Giga broken.

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Like Tankpool is...

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we got...

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Yeah.

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You just did an unranked GM on Elsa, you, Baz?

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And it was like the easiest one you've ever done.

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character is not okay.

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Like, you shouldn't have mobility, health, and insane damage tied to one cooldown that you
get every two seconds where the passive doesn't deplete.

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I just don't even know what they were thinking.

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Like, I get that you want more DPS that are strong because it's been the same, like, like
Boger said, like, five that you've been playing since season zero.

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Like, it's been the same cast of characters because conceptually they're just too strong.

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But, like, I feel like we need to add

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I don't know what the answer is, because I'm not a game dev, I'm not the one that's making
the balance decisions, but it's like you need something that's like either to take down

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the conceptually strong characters or like add something.

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I don't even know what you would add to make Elsa like strong without her being like that.

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Yeah, I mean, you have to nerf her, but it's like then what do you have?

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Bucky again?

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crazy opinion here.

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I think her ult is fine.

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I know it's a little bit, I think it's fine.

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I think it's busted if you don't counter it.

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I think people are gonna learn how to counter it.

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You don't stack together.

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Your DPS flanks, so when people get ulted, you kill instantly.

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Punisher kills it super fast.

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I think her main kit is the problem.

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And the thing is, her ult is fine if it gets charged slower.

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And her kit is so broken, she can just farm it really fast.

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pre-nerf fault?

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Did you think that was fine too?

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Like in that state?

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Pre-nerf?

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No, I think it was just buggy.

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hotfix, they almost never hotfix anything and they hotfixed her olds.

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just boring because like there were situations where it was like a mile away and getting
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just yeah

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too was like, I had a clip where I was just like Hulk clapping and Elsa ulting in front of
me and I got like sucked up into the ult, just like my finger was grazed by it.

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I do think it should have a uh slight delay when shields.

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I think it should be like 0.3 or 4 seconds.

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Not too much, just so you can react.

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I started reacting to it a bit more, but if it also dashes behind you and notes, there's
nothing you can do.

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You just grab.

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so.

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yeah, it's quicker than like half a second and then it actually starts moving forward.

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Cause I've like reacted to the sound and know, like Hulk Shield for instance is just half
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I wouldn't even get it off in time.

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I agree with that.

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like a conspiracy theorist, but they like never hotfix almost anything.

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They didn't do it with Phoenix, like melee tech.

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They like almost never did, but they did it here.

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Like they hotfixed.

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Well, my conspiracy theory is that it's cause of Overwatch doing well.

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That's the conspiracy theory.

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They're more on their, they don't want to piss people off for too long right now.

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That's my theory.

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Yeah, maybe.

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Yeah, probably.

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think the fact that Overwatch came out and I've played a bit, it's really fun right now.

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um that's out and the game is just in a horrible state in sense that like there's a bunch
of broken characters.

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The bands have been the same.

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Elsa, they added she's really broken too.

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There hasn't been much variety and people are just like, like the community is just really
horrible right now.

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I think I think they're like, shit, you know, like

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feel about...

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And this is to both Boger and Paz.

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How do you feel about having a new hero every month?

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Do think that's too much?

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Do you think that that's a problem?

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Do we keep that model up forever or is there a point in time when we're like, yeah, maybe
we should slow down a little bit and balance a little more?

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Or do you just...

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feel like if you don't, I feel like if you don't release a hero every month for like a
game that's like Rivals and like the type of like the way that it's positioned itself,

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like it just doesn't feel right to me.

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I mean, if we're talking about balance, like obviously like if they did like a Rainbow Six
Siege from like years ago, like an Operation Health and just like actually fix the game,

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like I would like that as a top level player, but I don't know if that's necessarily like
the most healthy for the game.

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But like a character every month like you can only get so like What's the word like you
can't can only get so interesting with the kit designs because you have to make a

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character every month to Maintain that cadence for years and years and years so like I
mean, yeah if we get a character every month We're gonna keep getting like in my opinion

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like blandish kits that are kind of like Elsa That's just like Bucky and Psylocke, but
mixed together

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Well they have like a couple of kind of mediocre releases like Blade and then they went on
like runner-runner Gambit broken into freaking uh of course Elsa broken then Tankpull

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broken like it just feels like The game is almost impossible to balance if they just keep
releasing these like crazy overkitted characters But what else do they do?

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Do they release like uh a character that no one likes to play like Blade?

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I'm not I don't I don't actually know the solution.

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I'm just I'm just wondering

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I think they need to slow the cadence and make sure the heroes are more balanced on
release.

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I feel like that's pretty obvious at this point, but I mean, I know they want to make
things that they put in the game new, exciting, fun, TikTok worthy, you know, I mean, I

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got a video with like views just popping off because Elsa landed one of those like crazy
alts that just throws you off the map.

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And it's like ridiculous.

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It's like clearly unbalanced, but I think that's what they're partially what their
strategy is for.

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promoting the game, and I think that's why things are so broken on release a little bit.

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um So I'm all for just releasing things more balanced, but I don't know if that's
necessarily as good for the game.

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So it'll interesting.

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How do you feel about it, Boger?

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Because I know you've lived in both extremes.

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Overwatch, had almost two years without a hero.

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Yeah, it was forever.

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And it was awful.

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We've been on the other end of that spectrum, but we've never quite been on this end where
it's just non-stop.

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I mean, it's fun that there's always something new, but I think...

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If it is getting in the way of balance, think that maybe it's something to consider.

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I think having a new hero every two months is still a lot of fucking heroes.

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Like, every month is insane.

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I um think I'll be honest, directly very honest here, think Rivals is a non-competitive
game, I think it's a very casual game, and I think it's painfully obvious when playing

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Overwatch how casual Rivals is, and that's good.

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And that's why Rivals was so popular in the first place and still is to an extent.

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I think you kind of have to release a new character every month because the game balance
is whack and the fun part about the game is that it's very chaotic, right?

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So...

225
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I think with Blade and some other characters, release them and they're like, oh, that's
like, we try to balance it on release.

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That's boring.

227
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Like that doesn't generate hype.

228
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It's not fun to watch.

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People don't have fun playing it.

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And they're right.

231
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I rather have a really broken character when released that they, you know, hotfix than
have Blade because Blade has been absolutely horrendous, boring and terrible character.

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And he, think what they had for Blade like,

233
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the character itself is so unique and fun, they could have done so much more and they
didn't because they were too afraid.

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I think they're not afraid anymore.

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They're taking a lot of risks.

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I think it's fine.

237
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And the way they're approaching the game, it's a lot like League of Legends when it
launched and League was releasing two characters a month, right?

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They were spamming characters.

239
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Some months they had three new characters, right?

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So I think, yeah, exactly.

241
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And I think that's fine.

242
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I think it's fine because the way I see it,

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In the long term, if you want to make the game more competitive, both for Overwatch and
Rivals for Heroes Readers, which is like crackhead theory, I do see the games more moving

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towards the MOBA-esque style of bans and picks and whatever else.

245
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think that solves a lot of situations.

246
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You've seen Rivals do it with the uh bans for pro tournaments where you have like four
bans on each team, two protects, whatever else, right?

247
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I think the balancing...

248
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should be mostly from the bands and then from the team not making characters too
overwhelming like Gambit.

249
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Like you can't have that crazy character,

250
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The number one way they can immediately like, you know, we're listening to the player
base, like solve the game, better, add bands, better than hot fixes, better that you just

251
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give us more bands, let the players decide like what is good and what is not.

252
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And then they can just do what they want with the balance changes.

253
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Give us five bands per game, no like duplicates.

254
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like for now, like give us one more band next season.

255
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Like, I don't know why they won't and no duplicates and like just send it.

256
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Like, I think that's going to improve the game tremendously because as I said before, the
game is chaotic.

257
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It is casual.

258
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And the only way it ever is competitive is because of bands like bands make it
competitive.

259
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Right.

260
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And then people can.

261
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Yeah.

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top end of like all the garbage and then you just now, okay, this is like you pull it all
down.

263
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He's not wrong

264
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care about the bands anymore because there's no point because there's always going to be a
broken character that's up there.

265
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It's going to be.

266
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Yeah.

267
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I just don't bother.

268
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Yeah.

269
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realize too is you're going to actually see more diversity when that happens because
there's so many characters that are gate-kipped by, I don't know, like, Pokeslop, right?

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Or Groot.

271
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Like, a lot of characters just can't function when those get through.

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So you're cutting out like BP and Widow just like, OK, Widow might snipe their healers in
a Groot comp, but she'll never be able to kill the Groot.

273
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So it's just like, she effectively will never be able to win a fight.

274
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I agree.

275
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I mean, even by just adding one band on each team and removing duplicates, it suddenly
becomes like from four, most of the time it's like two or three bands, to six in a lobby.

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And that's gonna like, it's gonna make the games way more fun, like genuinely way more
fun.

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I think they don't wanna do it because they wanna want people to waste too much time
before a match.

278
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I remember Overwatch had the same issue with why they didn't wanna add bands.

279
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They were too afraid it's gonna...

280
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Yeah.

281
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Overwatch has set up bans is now it's really good.

282
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I actually think the ban system now is better than Rivals.

283
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It's instant.

284
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Like you do the bans, boom, the game starts, right?

285
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You

286
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I don't see how it takes longer with more bands if you just do it where it's like rival
system versus instant.

287
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No, Rivals is not like the thing is what I'm saying here is the way Overwatch has done
their system.

288
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It's faster than Rivals now.

289
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Right.

290
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Like so with Overwatch, it's like, yeah.

291
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So you just pick three characters that you want to get banned and then the system looks at
it and the most big characters just get banned instantly.

292
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You don't have two phases.

293
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Right.

294
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And you don't have like the waiting period.

295
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So it's way faster.

296
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It's way quicker.

297
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And I think Rivals not wanting to add one more ban slot is going to be

298
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20 seconds for a band, wait, 20 seconds for a band, wait, 20 seconds for a band, wait.

299
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They could speed it up definitely.

300
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And maybe that's what they're cooking realistically.

301
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They might be improving the band system and that's why they're not adding any bands in the
first place right now or for a while, because they wanna change it up a bit.

302
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under the Overwatch system, they could add any number of bands.

303
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You could have, and it would be the same speed.

304
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So it just makes sense.

305
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They could add five bands and it be instant again.

306
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Ha.

307
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Ha.

308
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you could do that realistically you could the game is still playable.

309
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I think um

310
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I remember that.

311
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To competing under that was horrible, by the way.

312
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what was, what was banned.

313
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So there was certain weeks that they banned all hitscans.

314
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Every hitscan was just banned for a week.

315
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I loved it.

316
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It was great.

317
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one of the casters cats I just want to point it out Zoe's cats I'm pretty sure Zoe's cat
or dog would just pick randomly what to ban that week I'm not even getting it like that

318
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remember the fucking week where Widow was banned I was having a great time because that
character is a terrorist, still a terrorist but...

319
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um

320
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that reminds me of like the manatees from South Park.

321
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Well, cause I mean, that's our big problem is like with the under the current system with
only two bands per team and you don't always get, you know, every does not always for

322
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bands is that you can never really warp the meta in any meaningful way.

323
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You could just take away a small piece.

324
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But when there's hella gene fucking all these characters that do almost the exact same
thing slightly, you can never get rid of all of them.

325
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Like if you wanted to actually force because like if you had a whole bunch of bands, you
could really, you know, ban in a way that just actually forces.

326
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You

327
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We banned all the triple support supports.

328
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Like they just don't exist.

329
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uh Which I think would be it.

330
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I mean, that's kind what we want, right?

331
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Just something that we can actually push a meta.

332
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the quickest and easiest way.

333
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That would be the best buff for Hulk.

334
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I'm sure it would be the best buff for lot of characters, just to be able to ban more
things.

335
00:20:29,642 --> 00:20:32,082
I think they should do that ASAP.

336
00:20:32,082 --> 00:20:34,302
That's my number one change for the game right now, is bans.

337
00:20:34,302 --> 00:20:36,028
I'm glad we talked about it early.

338
00:20:36,028 --> 00:20:44,093
What, um so when the 6.5 patch notes, we saw uh three DPS ult charges buffed.

339
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So we saw Punisher get his ult buffed so he gets it faster.

340
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We saw Starlord get his ult buffed and then Wolverine got a massive ult buff.

341
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He generates his ult way faster.

342
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How do you feel about them deciding to do that?

343
00:20:56,332 --> 00:20:58,913
um Boker, Paz, whoever wants to answer.

344
00:20:58,913 --> 00:20:59,922
How do y'all feel about that?

345
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Star-Lord one, I remember reading that and I was just like, huh?

346
00:21:03,985 --> 00:21:04,925
Okay.

347
00:21:05,169 --> 00:21:13,062
Guess like it was just weird like I feel like that character was already good with gambit
and we just make made him better I was like, I don't know I mean to be fair like I didn't

348
00:21:13,062 --> 00:21:17,155
play a ton in season six So like I could just be talking out of my house to be fair.

349
00:21:17,155 --> 00:21:22,643
I mean Wolverine and ranked Wolverine and ranked like I felt pretty I mean

350
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And ranked for low elo, like I've watched a lot of low elo Wolverine, like it feels
horrible to play that character I feel, but like high elo it's a little bit better because

351
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people actually shoot your pulls.

352
00:21:30,307 --> 00:21:33,259
But again, I'm like, why, I don't feel like buffing.

353
00:21:33,259 --> 00:21:37,131
In my opinion, if we want to make this game balanced, I like buffing isn't really the
answer.

354
00:21:37,131 --> 00:21:38,192
I feel like we've talked about it before.

355
00:21:38,192 --> 00:21:42,084
It's like, can we not have Hela be like OP for like a year straight?

356
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Can we like maybe nerf Mag a little bit?

357
00:21:44,225 --> 00:21:50,670
But like nerfs, from what I've seen from their balance philosophy, like they don't want to
nerf characters it seems, but I mean, recently that's changed.

358
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casual.

359
00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:55,331
That's the thing, the game is casual.

360
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So it's like, yeah.

361
00:21:56,724 --> 00:22:02,423
to ask there then is are we stuck in this meta like pretty much this is like hell is
always going to be like really strong.

362
00:22:03,146 --> 00:22:04,738
Cause I think they killed Hawkeye.

363
00:22:04,738 --> 00:22:06,852
I don't think Hawkeye is good with that hot fix.

364
00:22:06,852 --> 00:22:07,848
I actually think that was.

365
00:22:07,848 --> 00:22:08,611
begin with either.

366
00:22:08,611 --> 00:22:10,448
Like I feel like he was pretty counterable.

367
00:22:11,306 --> 00:22:13,365
the devs will change stuff.

368
00:22:15,906 --> 00:22:23,666
They even nerfed Luna, which is crazy concept considering Luna was Dany's favorite child.

369
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true.

370
00:22:33,131 --> 00:22:34,071
Yeah.

371
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I play the game or when I do a tier list, people in the chat are just like, why is Hela so
high and Scarlet Witch is so low?

372
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was like, brother, Jesus Christ, genuinely.

373
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I wish I had the same confidence as you, right?

374
00:22:47,576 --> 00:22:49,338
Like, just...

375
00:22:49,338 --> 00:22:51,483
I get people get mad at me every time I don't put mr.

376
00:22:51,483 --> 00:22:54,550
Fent in like at least a tier and like what game are you playing?

377
00:22:54,550 --> 00:22:58,698
Yeah m

378
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Yeah Not to the level that he could be played like I just I don't see it and I mean I know
he's really strong But like yeah, you're right.

379
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:20,224
I don't see some of these characters going like crazy at all

380
00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:22,527
feel like the Star Lord, he did not need an ult charge buff.

381
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I thought Star Lord was actually like in a decent spot.

382
00:23:24,819 --> 00:23:27,311
Like I thought he, you know, he's pretty difficult to play in my opinion.

383
00:23:27,311 --> 00:23:32,332
And like you get big payoff, you know, if you land your shots and, and then use your ults
at good times.

384
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his ultimate which is like the most braindead aspect of the character like

385
00:23:36,012 --> 00:23:36,505
it definitely

386
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played too.

387
00:23:38,137 --> 00:23:38,874
For sure.

388
00:23:38,874 --> 00:23:40,445
out it's like for sure like it

389
00:23:40,445 --> 00:23:44,626
That's what we talked about with Sumito is that he wants like a global, global nerf.

390
00:23:44,626 --> 00:23:47,294
They did it with Overwatch a long time back and it's a good...

391
00:23:47,294 --> 00:23:49,634
Overwatch launch is very similar to Rivals.

392
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The first years are very similar.

393
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Like, like the only difference is that always didn't have like 15 new characters the first
year.

394
00:23:56,634 --> 00:23:57,534
Right.

395
00:23:57,654 --> 00:24:00,814
But Overwatch also had like almost instant notes.

396
00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:04,554
And that's what brought people in really quickly because the game was really casual.

397
00:24:04,554 --> 00:24:06,830
Like it genuinely was brain dead easy.

398
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:10,302
um And Rivals is also genuinely brain dead easy.

399
00:24:10,302 --> 00:24:14,674
I'm sorry to say this for anyone, try playing Overwatch nowadays.

400
00:24:14,674 --> 00:24:24,989
I climbed to GM4 really quickly and bro, people in plaid, because I was doing my
placements in Diamond, they play better than one above all players in Rivals.

401
00:24:24,989 --> 00:24:26,600
They're taking angles.

402
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,510
And that's like Overwatch, Glaze, and what else?

403
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:30,401
They've had 10 years to grind, of course, but like...

404
00:24:30,401 --> 00:24:32,102
um

405
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:39,464
That's the niche,

406
00:24:39,464 --> 00:24:42,886
you think that rivals will stay that way forever though?

407
00:24:43,047 --> 00:24:47,050
you think, you don't think they should ever like, as the player base matures?

408
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:55,730
No, I think when the player base grows in like a couple of years and if the game is still
healthy, they can look to make the game way more competitive when because people are going

409
00:24:55,730 --> 00:25:02,650
to get bored from the same thing because people are going to learn all the tricks like
right like you were going to learn all the tricks all the combos all the things people are

410
00:25:02,650 --> 00:25:04,250
to start implementing it consistently.

411
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:10,010
The player base is going to grow the game stays alive and eventually they're going to have
to start making the

412
00:25:13,753 --> 00:25:14,485
You

413
00:25:14,485 --> 00:25:19,819
know if you would agree with me on this, but I think that Overwatch has actually become
more casual over time.

414
00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:21,777
Especially like changes into Overwatch 2.

415
00:25:21,777 --> 00:25:27,816
We talk about the HP buff, we talk about the movement nerf, know, the projectile size
increase.

416
00:25:27,816 --> 00:25:29,688
Now we're adding a whole bunch of new heroes.

417
00:25:29,688 --> 00:25:36,794
Like the game Overwatch feels like, I mean, it's still more competitive than Rivals by
far, but it's kind of trying to play into a more casuals.

418
00:25:36,794 --> 00:25:37,634
Yeah.

419
00:25:38,254 --> 00:25:43,034
Like the games I've been playing in in like GM and stuff.

420
00:25:43,034 --> 00:25:44,934
I peek and I die like in milliseconds.

421
00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:46,974
People are just holding angles and stuff.

422
00:25:47,474 --> 00:25:53,082
Yeah, because people have practiced the game, but I know what you mean because they want
to bring in a more casual audience and like, yeah.

423
00:25:53,082 --> 00:26:00,282
mean, yeah, I mean, when people have have it hyper solved at the high end, and I think,
you know, bands help with that, too, like the fact that they finally embrace bands

424
00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:01,822
definitely helped.

425
00:26:02,019 --> 00:26:02,677
I mean...

426
00:26:02,677 --> 00:26:11,192
though Overwatch is just like it's just like the way the game functions how fast you die
the neutral actually mattering like the support alts not being broken.

427
00:26:11,213 --> 00:26:12,103
Yeah

428
00:26:12,283 --> 00:26:17,795
In Rivals you can spam cooldowns even in 1 above all lobbies and win.

429
00:26:17,795 --> 00:26:19,819
In Overwatch if I waste my bow I'm dead.

430
00:26:19,819 --> 00:26:21,225
uh

431
00:26:21,225 --> 00:26:28,281
just remember we had a lot of the same conversations back in Overwatch where it was like
they're never bouncing around high elo.

432
00:26:28,281 --> 00:26:29,052
Right, right.

433
00:26:29,052 --> 00:26:31,224
It was the same conversations, right?

434
00:26:31,224 --> 00:26:32,025
Yeah.

435
00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:34,487
It's like I don't think anyone's ever going to be truly happy.

436
00:26:34,487 --> 00:26:36,814
Especially high elo players, never going to be happy.

437
00:26:36,814 --> 00:26:38,354
and you shouldn't balance around them.

438
00:26:38,354 --> 00:26:43,433
You should nerve the problematic characters that they say are problematic because it
trickles down.

439
00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:47,814
Like, people are going to start catching up to it in lower elo and, it's going to be
miserable.

440
00:26:47,894 --> 00:26:52,294
But, like, you definitely shouldn't always listen to pro players.

441
00:26:52,294 --> 00:26:53,734
There should be balance to it, right?

442
00:26:53,734 --> 00:26:54,994
Like, you shouldn't be...

443
00:27:06,205 --> 00:27:06,866
you

444
00:27:06,866 --> 00:27:13,043
are looking at Rivals as this high level ranked competitive experience?

445
00:27:13,685 --> 00:27:14,660
Do scrims?

446
00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:17,984
think the game can be competitive if you do scrims and stuff.

447
00:27:17,984 --> 00:27:27,310
I think there's all very fun mechanics, combos, like teamwork, macro play is very good and
rivals I think is very fun.

448
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:30,890
from a team perspective, there's a lot of outplay.

449
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:32,510
The good teams always win, right?

450
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:34,110
Like we saw it with VP.

451
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:40,630
The good teams always win because they're smarter, they position better, they flank
better, they know comps better, their bans are better.

452
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:43,870
It's way more engaging and fun, but you won't find that in ranked.

453
00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:45,454
It's just not gonna happen.

454
00:27:45,454 --> 00:27:46,294
that's what I was gonna ask.

455
00:27:46,294 --> 00:27:50,254
Do you think they should add bigger stacks back to ranked?

456
00:27:50,574 --> 00:27:53,817
um It's a good question.

457
00:27:53,817 --> 00:27:57,380
I think triple stacking can work.

458
00:27:57,380 --> 00:28:00,964
think six stacking is just too abusable in high elo and doesn't really...

459
00:28:00,964 --> 00:28:02,665
It won't really show who's the best.

460
00:28:02,665 --> 00:28:06,849
I think Zyp3 would be getting like five accounts in top five, in top 10, right?

461
00:28:06,849 --> 00:28:15,277
ah Like he's still good, he has really good players, but with stacking, the game just
revolves around if you don't stack in high elo, you can't win.

462
00:28:15,277 --> 00:28:17,046
And so you always have to stack.

463
00:28:17,046 --> 00:28:18,266
So it's going be difficult.

464
00:28:18,266 --> 00:28:20,127
think triple stacking could work.

465
00:28:20,127 --> 00:28:21,348
I don't see why not.

466
00:28:21,348 --> 00:28:28,271
uh You do triple stack and then you get another triple stack on your team and like vice
versa, right?

467
00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:31,592
Like a two, two, two, two, I guess.

468
00:28:31,592 --> 00:28:36,090
I know I'm just thinking about it, but triple stacking maybe, maybe even four stacking.

469
00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:38,815
I don't think six stacking, six stacking is going be too much.

470
00:28:38,935 --> 00:28:41,016
I think in Celestial you can get away with it though.

471
00:28:41,016 --> 00:28:44,167
I think in Celestial maybe, maybe you bring back six stacking in Celestial.

472
00:28:44,167 --> 00:28:46,378
I don't think Celestial is too competitive.

473
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:48,845
Because of the Q times, they just get too long.

474
00:28:48,845 --> 00:28:51,600
Or do you think wind trading could be an issue, maybe?

475
00:28:52,584 --> 00:28:54,768
If stacks like that and higher ranked, I don't know.

476
00:28:54,768 --> 00:28:57,144
I just wasn't sure what your meaning was.

477
00:28:58,308 --> 00:29:07,371
rank what's gonna happen is all the pro teams are just gonna stack and then you will not
have a fighting chance against them like I like I'm gonna be queuing up and if I'm solo

478
00:29:07,371 --> 00:29:15,054
queue I'm gonna lose the game because I'm playing against all VP on the enemy team or Navi
or hundred thieves or sentinels and

479
00:29:15,059 --> 00:29:15,790
3-stack,

480
00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:23,670
Yeah, or if I'm 6-stacking with streamers, we're just gonna get stomped again because the
enemy team is full 6 pros that have scrimmed together and know the map.

481
00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:30,590
So I don't think 6-stacking in Eternity and 1 above all is ever gonna work and I think it
takes away from the experience.

482
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:34,210
again, think stacking with 3 people is gonna be good.

483
00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:35,590
I don't see why not.

484
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:37,670
It's gonna make the game a little bit more enjoyable.

485
00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:40,210
Plus, you can stack tank support and DPS.

486
00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:43,010
So you always know that you have at least one support in your team.

487
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:44,704
You have one tank on your team.

488
00:29:44,704 --> 00:29:47,952
It could be better if triple stacking is allowed.

489
00:29:48,242 --> 00:29:55,582
So I know you want, you think that they shouldn't really bounce around the high elo, you
think they should bounce more around like low elo players or like the masses.

490
00:29:55,582 --> 00:30:01,902
What do you think they should do with the characters that lower elo players have a very
different experience?

491
00:30:01,902 --> 00:30:06,042
So like a character like Squirrel Girl or like a character like The Thing.

492
00:30:07,462 --> 00:30:10,322
Doesn't that go against what you just said though?

493
00:30:11,242 --> 00:30:12,302
Where's the line?

494
00:30:12,302 --> 00:30:13,292
Where's the line?

495
00:30:13,292 --> 00:30:28,820
okay okay okay let me let me let me rephrase I think the line here is that in lower elo
you have characters that are really OP because they are really cheesy and like SG and like

496
00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:29,251
mr.

497
00:30:29,251 --> 00:30:32,014
Fent and like whoever else right scarlet

498
00:30:32,014 --> 00:30:37,934
Because people don't understand what counters them, why they're bad, or Iron Man, or
anything else.

499
00:30:38,194 --> 00:30:42,374
And I think nerfing those characters is just gonna be stupid.

500
00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:44,894
It's like a noob test, really.

501
00:30:44,894 --> 00:30:46,854
These characters are a noob test.

502
00:30:47,494 --> 00:30:48,514
It's an IQ check.

503
00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:51,894
You need to learn how to these easily counterable characters.

504
00:30:52,334 --> 00:30:53,714
I mean, it's true.

505
00:30:54,654 --> 00:30:58,370
I mean, it might have...

506
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:01,670
can't if you can't beat score girl and plaid you can't vote

507
00:31:01,688 --> 00:31:05,986
This guy smurfs all the time, he hates low rank players, by the way.

508
00:31:05,986 --> 00:31:10,107
I mean it sounds rude but I want sugarcoated.

509
00:31:10,188 --> 00:31:15,510
If you're getting stoned by SG every game, I'm sorry but you just need to learn the game.

510
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:27,190
It's like chess, If I keep losing to, I don't if you guys play chess, but if I lose to a
scholars maid every game or a fools maid every game, that's not because those are broken,

511
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:28,565
it's because I'm stupid.

512
00:31:28,565 --> 00:31:29,787
I nerfed the bishop, right?

513
00:31:29,787 --> 00:31:31,281
It's the same logic, right?

514
00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:32,601
tired of it!

515
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:39,856
If high elo players, people that know the game but don't struggle with that, then there is
a solution to the problem, right?

516
00:31:39,976 --> 00:31:50,310
But if high elo players now struggle against certain characters, now I do believe these
characters are probably problematic all around the game and then eventually people are

517
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:51,206
going to start picking them up.

518
00:31:51,206 --> 00:31:55,820
Like, if you get a good halo player in low elo, it's not your fault you're losing.

519
00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:56,900
That character is just busted.

520
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,473
Like, if you don't play halo at the same level, you're just going to lose the game.

521
00:31:59,473 --> 00:32:01,420
I those characters should definitely be nerfed.

522
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:11,435
My point before that was uh about like not listening to high elo players too much is that
high elo players are smart and they understand the game, but they're always going to

523
00:32:11,435 --> 00:32:11,916
complain.

524
00:32:11,916 --> 00:32:14,597
Like you can't always do everything they say.

525
00:32:14,597 --> 00:32:16,098
They're never going to be happy.

526
00:32:16,098 --> 00:32:19,020
They're never going to be enjoying the game completely.

527
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:27,864
And there's always going to be something to nitpick because ultimately it comes down to,
because I've also done the same thing with Overwatch and played Siren Pro, ultimately it

528
00:32:27,864 --> 00:32:31,054
comes down to these people like us playing the game 10 hours a day.

529
00:32:31,054 --> 00:32:32,994
And we just get bored out of stuff, right?

530
00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:35,274
Like we're always going to want something to get nerfed.

531
00:32:35,274 --> 00:32:46,654
So I think my point if I have to really lay it down in layman's terms is there is no
perfect meta and there never will be a perfect meta and you can't chase that, right?

532
00:32:46,654 --> 00:32:49,374
Like you can never, like what is a perfect meta, right?

533
00:32:49,374 --> 00:32:50,094
What is balance?

534
00:32:50,094 --> 00:32:51,334
What is perfect balance?

535
00:32:51,334 --> 00:32:55,214
It's going to be play everything has 50 % win rate or what?

536
00:32:55,214 --> 00:32:56,814
Like how do you envision it?

537
00:32:56,814 --> 00:32:58,794
Like do you envision every character being playable?

538
00:32:58,794 --> 00:33:00,646
Cause that's never going to happen.

539
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:10,958
So instead of chasing perfect balance, think they should more focus on the game being fun
and then nerfing things that are too strong and too problematic and too infuriating and

540
00:33:10,958 --> 00:33:18,113
then balancing the game so it's playable and letting people balance the game themselves
with more bands like we discussed before.

541
00:33:18,113 --> 00:33:21,916
I think that itself solves the matter for High Elan.

542
00:33:22,562 --> 00:33:29,888
I would love to see a mode where you can't swap characters, and then you'll see what true
balance looks like, or imbalance.

543
00:33:29,888 --> 00:33:37,095
I envisioned this game in five years, 12 new characters per year, we have like over a
hundred characters, it's a crackhead theory.

544
00:33:37,095 --> 00:33:50,506
um But in five years, you can't repeat characters, like every team has their own
character, ah you can't have two Groots on the same game, you know what I mean?

545
00:33:50,506 --> 00:33:51,357
You can't have Mir...

546
00:33:51,357 --> 00:33:51,987
Because you have so...

547
00:33:51,987 --> 00:33:55,586
Yeah, because you have so many characters in the game, because you have so many characters
in the game...

548
00:33:55,586 --> 00:34:00,169
You have 5 Groots already, there's 5 OP tank characters you can pick.

549
00:34:00,571 --> 00:34:08,469
you have fucking 10 million bans and like you're spending every pro tournament is like
every match before it begins like 30 minutes ban phase, right?

550
00:34:08,469 --> 00:34:09,510
You ban 20 characters.

551
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:11,141
Either way, just like...

552
00:34:11,766 --> 00:34:14,505
I mean, that's my point.

553
00:34:14,505 --> 00:34:16,256
Like you can do some funny things.

554
00:34:24,057 --> 00:34:27,177
for sure yeah

555
00:34:27,339 --> 00:34:35,491
yeah, that's why like my balance philosophy right now, like I really liked the Adam
change, even though it really like, it doesn't make any sense.

556
00:34:35,491 --> 00:34:41,302
I just really like it, cause it's just like, just make the game fun and the balance will
figure itself out later.

557
00:34:41,302 --> 00:34:46,104
um Like figure out the balance, like tune the numbers to what you gotta do.

558
00:34:46,104 --> 00:34:53,116
Like Adam, for instance, like he's still, don't, like you still have to pick him in triple
heal because he just doesn't have enough just like output healing.

559
00:34:53,116 --> 00:34:54,526
Like it's just kind of like.

560
00:34:58,347 --> 00:34:59,247
I actually played it a bit.

561
00:34:59,247 --> 00:35:00,507
It's so fun.

562
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:05,618
I like it when they do changes like that that add a little more, like, decisions in depth
to a character.

563
00:35:05,618 --> 00:35:10,722
I think those are good ones that we can, pretty much universally agree on.

564
00:35:10,722 --> 00:35:16,206
They're not really gonna break- it's not gonna break Adam to make him fly, but it's more
fun, I think.

565
00:35:16,206 --> 00:35:16,734
Yeah.

566
00:35:16,734 --> 00:35:19,454
like losing their mind and I was losing my mind a bit, but it's a fun change.

567
00:35:19,454 --> 00:35:21,514
It didn't break the character, but it's just fun.

568
00:35:21,514 --> 00:35:25,054
The memes that came out of it, OnlyLegs has been farming clips.

569
00:35:25,054 --> 00:35:25,574
It's just fun.

570
00:35:25,574 --> 00:35:26,374
It's just fun.

571
00:35:26,374 --> 00:35:34,774
Like, listen, I feel like a boomer now because I've I've spent 10 years of my life playing
Overwatch and I've been on the opposite end and chasing again, like the perfect balance

572
00:35:34,774 --> 00:35:38,514
and things like I just came to realization like the games are supposed to be fun.

573
00:35:38,954 --> 00:35:41,214
Like competitive players can play the game no matter what.

574
00:35:41,286 --> 00:35:48,273
and uh people are gonna strive to play in professional settings and grind as long as
there's money involved.

575
00:35:48,974 --> 00:35:58,204
if you make the game more fun with more silly things like Adam's Flanking, I think next
tournament for example, next big tournament, you're gonna see some crazy Adam Flanking uh

576
00:35:58,204 --> 00:36:00,517
clips and it's gonna be really fun to watch.

577
00:36:00,517 --> 00:36:01,798
Viewer experience is important.

578
00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:02,941
yeah.

579
00:36:02,941 --> 00:36:04,325
here's my next question then.

580
00:36:04,325 --> 00:36:06,289
Is Triple Healer fun?

581
00:36:08,057 --> 00:36:10,213
So that's like where we got to like.

582
00:36:10,213 --> 00:36:12,093
It's not fun.

583
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:14,335
Is it?

584
00:36:14,335 --> 00:36:15,310
Is it?

585
00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:17,077
I don't think so.

586
00:36:17,077 --> 00:36:18,622
I don't think so, no.

587
00:36:18,622 --> 00:36:20,536
I'm grinding I'm playing like

588
00:36:20,812 --> 00:36:23,771
I just tell them go triple support bro, like trust, we'll win.

589
00:36:23,771 --> 00:36:30,315
in high elo looks different than lower elo because in lower elo they genuinely just pick
tree healers and like that's the point.

590
00:36:32,498 --> 00:36:40,594
It does though, it does, it does because in lower elo you don't know how to counter it and
again it's an IQ test kind of but it's a team IQ test.

591
00:36:40,594 --> 00:36:43,306
It's like it's really hard to kill them alone.

592
00:36:43,306 --> 00:36:48,450
So it doesn't apply as much as like the previous statement against Scarlet Witch and stuff
because

593
00:36:48,805 --> 00:36:51,726
It's really hard to deal with triple support by yourself.

594
00:36:51,726 --> 00:36:54,306
You kind of need a Groot Moon Knight, you need some combos.

595
00:36:54,306 --> 00:36:56,985
If your Groot is Handless, you're gonna lose the game.

596
00:36:57,486 --> 00:37:01,046
So it's more annoying and it's just frustrating to play against.

597
00:37:01,046 --> 00:37:05,290
Even if it's not broken, it's just frustrating to deal with this amount of heals, right?

598
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:07,163
you in the the role queue camp?

599
00:37:07,163 --> 00:37:10,286
You think that that I know we went through that in overwatch ah

600
00:37:10,286 --> 00:37:12,706
pro play there should be a role queue.

601
00:37:12,706 --> 00:37:22,946
think in ranked, I don't know if there's soft role queue or not, in ranked it's just
exhausting how many games I've had with 4 tank players or 5 DPS players.

602
00:37:24,506 --> 00:37:27,806
There could be a soft role queue where people can pick...

603
00:37:27,806 --> 00:37:36,026
I think a preferred role like league would be nice because the game's quality drops
dramatically because I need to fill support every game.

604
00:37:36,026 --> 00:37:37,478
At this point I'm kind of...

605
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:41,516
You

606
00:37:41,516 --> 00:37:48,751
system you think it should like kind of like soft enforce to to to so like every lobby has
about to to to in the lobby

607
00:37:48,751 --> 00:37:57,675
I think a lot of people in ranked also pick triple support because they generally just get
three support characters, like three support players, for example, or they get like three

608
00:37:57,675 --> 00:38:01,437
of the same row and the easiest comp is triple support.

609
00:38:01,437 --> 00:38:06,049
I'm sorry, but the easiest thing you can go and the best is triple support.

610
00:38:06,049 --> 00:38:13,110
So if you have three DPS and one DPS willing to swap triple support, if you have three
tanks and one of the tanks willing to swap, you go triple support, right?

611
00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:17,314
In pro play though, don't know how meta triple support is outside of Mantis.

612
00:38:17,314 --> 00:38:21,986
Like if you ban Mantis, I don't think they play triple support too often.

613
00:38:21,986 --> 00:38:23,620
Because they actually play dive and pro play.

614
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:24,854
They don't play dive and ranked.

615
00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:26,558
No one plays dive and ranked.

616
00:38:26,558 --> 00:38:28,123
No one plays dive and ranked.

617
00:38:28,123 --> 00:38:29,854
I have thoughts on a soft roll cue.

618
00:38:29,854 --> 00:38:39,313
I am for it, but it does introduce potentially a new set of problems, uh is longer cues,
especially in the higher ranks.

619
00:38:39,313 --> 00:38:47,399
But my counter argument to that would be that if the game quality is better, the player
base is going to go up, and then the cues are going to be faster anyway.

620
00:38:47,399 --> 00:38:55,406
So it might be bad for a little bit, but if they do it right and implement it well, it
could be very good for the game long term, I think.

621
00:38:55,406 --> 00:39:05,726
Yeah, you can always introduce like something like Trust Me has been saying if you go
triple support, there's like a healing reduction by like 15 20%.

622
00:39:05,726 --> 00:39:17,466
So like for the entire team, so people just can't heal bot, but it doesn't solve the issue
too much, I think because triple support is strong for the reason that the supports can do

623
00:39:17,466 --> 00:39:19,090
a lot of damage like Mantis and stuff.

624
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:20,291
Crazy utility,

625
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:30,358
And the damage amp is crazy like damage boost is it's a bit breaks off points and makes
things one shot that shouldn't one shot So I think that's a solution as well.

626
00:39:30,358 --> 00:39:42,817
Maybe um But it is definitely an issue and people are really frustrated and I from what I
know Danny doesn't really want to do Roku and I agree with him He shouldn't do Roku, but

627
00:39:42,817 --> 00:39:44,218
they should nerf something.

628
00:39:44,218 --> 00:39:47,330
I think another like a little bit of a

629
00:39:47,478 --> 00:39:55,945
more out there solution about it is the reason why triple support is so strong is because
they get support out so fast and support those dictate the game quite a bit.

630
00:39:55,945 --> 00:39:58,658
uh So if you have mantis, so then they don't have Matt.

631
00:39:58,658 --> 00:40:01,610
So do you win if they don't have any support or too much?

632
00:40:01,931 --> 00:40:14,211
So I think just nerfing how fast oats are farmed like straight up, like by by a large
margin would also balance out triple support a bit because even if you increase the old

633
00:40:14,211 --> 00:40:15,722
charge of support,

634
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:23,496
in general, it would kind of balance it out more because it'll be way harder to get your
Mantis or like your support O's.

635
00:40:23,496 --> 00:40:25,708
Okay, let me give you a concrete example here.

636
00:40:25,708 --> 00:40:34,654
If you have two supports, all charges increased, it's gonna be way harder for you to get
your support O's before they get their DPS O's because you're playing triple support and

637
00:40:34,654 --> 00:40:36,406
you're spreading out the heals.

638
00:40:36,406 --> 00:40:42,222
And right now there is enough heals and you can charge your O's.

639
00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:47,522
fast enough even with triple support to actually be able to match their tank in DPS holds.

640
00:40:47,522 --> 00:40:54,362
But if you increase their ult charge and you play triple support, it's going to be slower
than the enemy team running 2-2-2.

641
00:40:54,362 --> 00:40:59,582
And then they're going to have support those before you and you're going to lose or
they're going to have DPS holds before you and you're going to lose.

642
00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:09,742
So triple support inherently won't be played as much unless you want to play mantis or
stuff and farm it from doing damage, which takes a little bit more skill than just heal

643
00:41:09,742 --> 00:41:10,442
body.

644
00:41:11,402 --> 00:41:19,239
Well, Mantis, like win rate wise, I know win rates don't mean anything, always been super
high right now.

645
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:32,109
Do you think that's the result of her being like over tuned or just in that kind of type
of comp, it's just like really strong against like more disorganized games, like where

646
00:41:32,109 --> 00:41:34,501
people I think struggle a bit to counter it.

647
00:41:35,382 --> 00:41:36,192
Right?

648
00:41:36,339 --> 00:41:37,620
yeah, I know what you mean.

649
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:42,323
think it's difficult to say because she's really bad in 2-2-2.

650
00:41:42,323 --> 00:41:49,067
ah As your second support, sometimes you can do it, but it's really hard unless your team
is really good.

651
00:41:49,128 --> 00:41:59,905
But I think the reason why it's so high is because Mathis is mostly played in triple
support and triple support is just really easy to win with and it's the go to triple

652
00:41:59,905 --> 00:42:04,448
support comp and she has a really broken, arguably the most broken team up right now.

653
00:42:04,638 --> 00:42:11,720
with Loki and Groot because a lot of characters benefit from it quite a bit and the comp
is really solid by itself.

654
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,021
Even if there was no team up it would still be a good composition.

655
00:42:15,021 --> 00:42:22,823
So I think that just increases her win rate because there isn't many situations where
people just go Mantis Luna or Mantis Invis.

656
00:42:22,823 --> 00:42:30,806
People are gonna pick Mantis when they already have two supports as a third support, three
supports broken or easy to win ranked games.

657
00:42:31,046 --> 00:42:32,286
Win rate goes up.

658
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:41,643
I think it's because one omitted or not, Mantis and Adam do get picked in duo, healer,
comps, and ranked.

659
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:45,895
I think the reason, Adam, for instance, right now is like 47 % in GM+.

660
00:42:45,895 --> 00:42:50,476
He's like almost like, I think he's like 47 in Celestial+.

661
00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:53,637
I think it's because he doesn't have a supporty type support ult.

662
00:42:53,637 --> 00:42:56,132
So he can't function in two healer.

663
00:42:56,132 --> 00:42:57,800
harder to use than two.

664
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:03,216
think we talked about this in the past, but it would have been cool if the characters with
a lot of heals didn't have a defensive ult.

665
00:43:03,216 --> 00:43:12,447
Like they gave the Adam type ults to the characters like Invis and Luna, and then they
gave the Luna type ults to characters that were like, you know, more...

666
00:43:12,447 --> 00:43:14,147
Jeff change, for instance.

667
00:43:15,309 --> 00:43:23,183
When they gave him passive healing on assault, mean, obviously, for the player base, was
really happy about it because they hate having Jeffs on their team.

668
00:43:23,183 --> 00:43:25,454
He's probably the most hated character.

669
00:43:25,555 --> 00:43:30,768
But I think they should have gone the other direction with it, just from a character
uniqueness standpoint.

670
00:43:30,768 --> 00:43:38,522
I think that's just one thing this game lacks, is the diversity, at least for the healers,
not that much.

671
00:43:38,774 --> 00:43:40,736
Yeah, I think it's better though.

672
00:43:40,736 --> 00:43:44,580
think Gambit was a good example, but he's too busted.

673
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:48,124
And I think if they nerfed him it's gonna be better.

674
00:43:48,124 --> 00:43:51,527
think Adam is a lot better than before.

675
00:43:51,628 --> 00:43:54,511
think, like what other support did we have?

676
00:43:54,511 --> 00:43:56,032
It was Gambit, right?

677
00:43:56,032 --> 00:43:58,114
Like what was the one before that, Invis?

678
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:00,306
Ah, Invis...

679
00:44:00,306 --> 00:44:05,564
Ultron?

680
00:44:05,564 --> 00:44:07,486
you think they should rework characters, Bogur?

681
00:44:07,486 --> 00:44:08,658
Do you think they should rework?

682
00:44:08,658 --> 00:44:12,258
They should rework Blade, they should rework Ultron.

683
00:44:12,418 --> 00:44:13,518
Honestly, rework Mr.

684
00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:15,778
Fantastic, like just buff him in some way.

685
00:44:16,538 --> 00:44:17,558
Torch?

686
00:44:17,778 --> 00:44:18,318
Maybe.

687
00:44:18,318 --> 00:44:26,858
I think a of these characters came out rushed because they wanted, they needed characters
to be out and those characters just need to be reworked.

688
00:44:26,858 --> 00:44:27,171
think...

689
00:44:27,171 --> 00:44:32,448
ever want to spice up the game like in a big burst randomly they could just rework like
five heroes at once.

690
00:44:32,448 --> 00:44:33,031
Yeah.

691
00:44:33,031 --> 00:44:37,720
they can come up and be like, okay, we're not launching five years, but we're working the
horrible ones.

692
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:38,738
So that'll be hype.

693
00:44:38,738 --> 00:44:41,898
the maps that are out of the map pool slightly reworked too.

694
00:44:41,898 --> 00:44:55,598
And then it's like it's like rivals too Changing gears a little bit you you live in Sofia,
Boga.

695
00:44:55,598 --> 00:45:03,078
No you You don't even Sofia can't um, because I that's the only country I've been to is
Bulgaria I stayed in Sofia for a month.

696
00:45:03,078 --> 00:45:03,518
Yeah.

697
00:45:03,518 --> 00:45:04,338
Yeah.

698
00:45:04,338 --> 00:45:05,138
Yeah, it's beautiful.

699
00:45:05,138 --> 00:45:06,674
I like I like Sophia's fun

700
00:45:06,674 --> 00:45:09,875
I walked to the market every day and got like the...

701
00:45:09,875 --> 00:45:13,046
Y'all have like food behind the counter at the market.

702
00:45:13,046 --> 00:45:14,446
I was just like, yeah, it was cool.

703
00:45:14,446 --> 00:45:15,297
It's a nice place.

704
00:45:15,297 --> 00:45:15,807
I like it.

705
00:45:15,807 --> 00:45:18,008
like it.

706
00:45:18,008 --> 00:45:19,358
What do you live in Bulgaria?

707
00:45:19,358 --> 00:45:19,688
I don't know.

708
00:45:19,688 --> 00:45:21,398
You don't have to say if you don't want to.

709
00:45:22,726 --> 00:45:23,249
next to the beach.

710
00:45:23,249 --> 00:45:23,759
OK, OK.

711
00:45:23,759 --> 00:45:25,180
Yeah, I didn't get to...

712
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,511
Yeah, when I was over, it was cold, I think.

713
00:45:29,511 --> 00:45:31,152
I think it was like I couldn't go to the beach.

714
00:45:31,152 --> 00:45:31,622
But I...

715
00:45:31,622 --> 00:45:32,522
uh

716
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:38,873
My boss at the time, I went for Easter and I ate like this like lamb intestine thing for
Easter.

717
00:45:38,873 --> 00:45:39,541
I don't know what it was.

718
00:45:39,541 --> 00:45:42,514
I don't know if you've had that before, but it was a good time.

719
00:45:42,514 --> 00:45:47,216
was like, it was like, it was like lamb intestine mixed with rice or something like that.

720
00:45:47,996 --> 00:45:49,437
And then just a whole bunch of alcohol.

721
00:45:49,437 --> 00:45:50,957
was, it was a good time.

722
00:45:51,038 --> 00:45:52,398
But, but Garen's are really nice.

723
00:45:52,398 --> 00:45:53,389
There's, it was really fun.

724
00:45:53,389 --> 00:45:54,679
They were very hospitable.

725
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:56,820
They, they wanted me to move there.

726
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:58,521
uh Yeah.

727
00:45:58,621 --> 00:45:59,521
Yeah.

728
00:45:59,801 --> 00:46:00,681
Yeah.

729
00:46:00,882 --> 00:46:01,402
Yeah.

730
00:46:01,402 --> 00:46:02,183
No, I liked it.

731
00:46:02,183 --> 00:46:02,372
Yeah.

732
00:46:02,372 --> 00:46:08,929
Because I mean, I mean, I'm sure you know this book group, but something that other people
might not know is that uh they're it.

733
00:46:08,929 --> 00:46:10,651
Bulgarian Internet is crazy fast.

734
00:46:10,651 --> 00:46:12,512
I guess they developed it later.

735
00:46:12,773 --> 00:46:13,634
Yeah.

736
00:46:13,634 --> 00:46:14,574
Yeah.

737
00:46:15,836 --> 00:46:18,108
It's like and it's kind of a tech safe haven.

738
00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:21,861
A lot of people, a lot of people that work in tech go to Bulgaria because they have a flat
tax.

739
00:46:21,861 --> 00:46:23,943
They 10 percent flat.

740
00:46:23,943 --> 00:46:27,372
So, you know, you'll just be randomly walking like, yeah.

741
00:46:27,372 --> 00:46:28,753
Yeah, you know it's it's sick.

742
00:46:28,753 --> 00:46:38,551
It's sick if you ever like I'm surprised more streamers don't that's what the next
streamer place people are gonna go to is Bulgaria That's not it's it's sick Like cuz I

743
00:46:38,551 --> 00:46:43,215
stayed in the apartment like the apartment was like a basically a luxury apartment is just
insane.

744
00:46:43,215 --> 00:46:46,072
No, it's Yeah, yeah, it's really cool

745
00:46:46,072 --> 00:46:46,940
Thank you.

746
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:48,627
vacationing there Mills?

747
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,498
You

748
00:47:03,498 --> 00:47:04,018
It was a good time.

749
00:47:04,018 --> 00:47:06,098
It's a I got a little lonely, but it was fun.

750
00:47:06,098 --> 00:47:11,638
It's cool Being in a country you know by yourself for a while is a little lonely, but it
was a cool.

751
00:47:11,638 --> 00:47:12,810
It was a cool place

752
00:47:13,466 --> 00:47:15,709
What do you think of the US, Boger?

753
00:47:15,709 --> 00:47:17,220
You were at TwitchCon, right?

754
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:19,459
I think I saw you at the event there.

755
00:47:19,459 --> 00:47:20,874
You were playing in the event.

756
00:47:31,352 --> 00:47:33,241
Huh.

757
00:47:33,241 --> 00:47:35,522
every big city usually.

758
00:47:35,596 --> 00:47:38,427
San Francisco is a lot worse, I've been told.

759
00:47:38,427 --> 00:47:40,448
some people say it's better, some people say it's worse.

760
00:47:40,448 --> 00:47:41,327
I like San Diego.

761
00:47:41,327 --> 00:47:45,582
I think San Diego was pretty and was more European because you can walk around and like go
to bars and stuff.

762
00:47:45,582 --> 00:47:46,413
So that was cool.

763
00:47:46,413 --> 00:47:50,306
ah LA, I don't like LA too much.

764
00:47:50,306 --> 00:47:50,781
be honest.

765
00:47:50,781 --> 00:47:52,338
don't think anyone likes LA.

766
00:47:52,338 --> 00:47:54,740
I think living outside of LA is more fun.

767
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:58,723
Like you live in a house and suburbs and stuff and the weather is nice.

768
00:47:58,723 --> 00:48:00,495
But downtown LA, horrible.

769
00:48:00,495 --> 00:48:00,965
I'm sorry.

770
00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:01,986
It's terrible.

771
00:48:01,986 --> 00:48:02,847
Terrible.

772
00:48:02,847 --> 00:48:05,088
Terrible experience downtown LA.

773
00:48:05,088 --> 00:48:07,490
It was actually crazy there.

774
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:14,210
Like I won't get into details, but if you've been to downtown LA, you know what I'm
saying, because downtown LA is just fucking crazy.

775
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:15,562
is the one state I haven't been to.

776
00:48:15,562 --> 00:48:17,956
I've been to almost every state.

777
00:48:18,358 --> 00:48:19,860
Not Hawaii, not Cali.

778
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:20,811
But I'll take your word for it.

779
00:48:20,811 --> 00:48:27,454
do a little, yeah, when I was in LA, I just went on like a little nature hike because I
didn't want to like go in the city too much.

780
00:48:27,454 --> 00:48:32,496
I've been there once before and we went up top on the conservatory above the city.

781
00:48:32,496 --> 00:48:39,029
The biggest thing that surprised me, I mean, it was really pretty, but there's just like a
big smog cloud over the city.

782
00:48:39,029 --> 00:48:40,985
You just can see it as clear as day.

783
00:48:40,985 --> 00:48:43,321
You're just like, my God, that's a lot.

784
00:48:43,321 --> 00:48:45,975
But Paz, where are you from, man?

785
00:48:45,975 --> 00:48:48,266
Pennsylvania I tell people I'm from Antarctica.

786
00:48:48,266 --> 00:49:00,529
It's just a running joke, but I know Pennsylvania I mean like live in the middle of like
Timbuktu nowhere bro, like it's I Got rivals I got deadlock.

787
00:49:00,529 --> 00:49:02,120
I got everything I need

788
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:03,751
Yeah, I'm proud of.

789
00:49:05,013 --> 00:49:05,466
Nice.

790
00:49:05,466 --> 00:49:07,277
mean, I haven't traveled like too much recently.

791
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,319
mean, just saving money after college, you know.

792
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:33,545
But, eh

793
00:49:33,545 --> 00:49:34,416
like Eternity.

794
00:49:34,416 --> 00:49:36,496
Eternity is just like...

795
00:49:37,236 --> 00:49:38,977
I don't have fun in Eternity.

796
00:49:38,977 --> 00:49:39,437
Also EU...

797
00:49:39,437 --> 00:49:39,577
EU...

798
00:49:39,577 --> 00:49:42,747
ah

799
00:49:42,747 --> 00:49:43,996
Is it?

800
00:49:43,996 --> 00:49:45,206
I've never once played.

801
00:49:45,206 --> 00:49:45,846
in a turn.

802
00:49:45,846 --> 00:49:54,226
Like it's not competitive in the sense that you always have a government agent throwing
your game or like enemy team has somebody throwing the game, but like it is genuine just

803
00:49:54,226 --> 00:49:56,246
pros playing most of the time.

804
00:49:57,266 --> 00:49:57,749
Yeah.

805
00:49:57,749 --> 00:50:00,211
higher ranks, it's really, really tough.

806
00:50:00,211 --> 00:50:06,118
But you play in like Celestial, GM, I'd rather play on NA for those games personally.

807
00:50:06,118 --> 00:50:06,496
Yeah.

808
00:50:06,496 --> 00:50:10,888
EU is way more competitive in my opinion in ranked and I love OK, slight slander.

809
00:50:10,888 --> 00:50:23,573
I love EU pros usually go in A to farm elo because like EU is way more difficult because I
know why maybe like you have less people playing and stuff, but most of the lobby so just

810
00:50:23,573 --> 00:50:24,582
way more competitive.

811
00:50:24,582 --> 00:50:28,248
You think the Koreans are ever gonna pick up rivals and just dominate?

812
00:50:29,411 --> 00:50:32,196
They would just dominate though if they wanted to.

813
00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:35,427
They could just take over the whole pro scene if they wanted to.

814
00:50:35,427 --> 00:50:35,737
tried.

815
00:50:35,737 --> 00:50:39,612
There was a team that was full of Overwatch pros, Koreans, and they got stomped.

816
00:50:39,612 --> 00:50:41,094
uh

817
00:50:57,397 --> 00:50:58,739
That's so funny

818
00:50:58,739 --> 00:51:00,160
No, no, it was...

819
00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:02,101
It was...

820
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:03,302
It was...

821
00:51:03,302 --> 00:51:05,974
Who was the fucking Reinhardt Korean player?

822
00:51:05,974 --> 00:51:06,924
forgot his name.

823
00:51:06,924 --> 00:51:07,745
Kaiser.

824
00:51:07,745 --> 00:51:08,847
Kaiser came up to us.

825
00:51:08,847 --> 00:51:10,286
I don't know if you know about him.

826
00:51:18,948 --> 00:51:22,838
That's so funny

827
00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:26,078
like he wouldn't believe it because it's so not popular in Korea.

828
00:51:26,078 --> 00:51:27,498
It's not popular in all of Asia.

829
00:51:27,498 --> 00:51:28,378
Nobody plays in Asia.

830
00:51:28,378 --> 00:51:31,658
China, in China, the highest rank they've achieved is Celestial.

831
00:51:31,658 --> 00:51:33,558
Last time I talked to them.

832
00:51:34,058 --> 00:51:36,378
Because Q times are just so horrendous.

833
00:51:51,332 --> 00:51:52,412
insane.

834
00:51:52,466 --> 00:51:53,127
That's crazy.

835
00:51:53,127 --> 00:51:54,208
That's actually wild.

836
00:51:54,208 --> 00:51:58,832
You said, um Paz, I know you've been grinding Deadlock hard.

837
00:51:59,012 --> 00:52:02,736
How do you feel, Bogur, about Deadlock and like the future?

838
00:52:02,736 --> 00:52:04,932
You think that that game has legs, like long term?

839
00:52:04,932 --> 00:52:05,172
yeah.

840
00:52:05,172 --> 00:52:05,892
Definitely.

841
00:52:05,892 --> 00:52:11,052
think I've had people that don't play MOBAs or shooters too much play Deadlock and they
love it.

842
00:52:11,052 --> 00:52:14,032
Like I've had more casual players play Deadlock.

843
00:52:14,032 --> 00:52:15,572
Friends of mine have been grinding Deadlock.

844
00:52:15,572 --> 00:52:17,432
I think it's the characters people really like.

845
00:52:17,432 --> 00:52:24,912
I think the game has a lot of fun mechanics for casuals and for pros and for people who
want to take it seriously.

846
00:52:25,112 --> 00:52:28,352
And it's really fresh and people are learning a lot.

847
00:52:28,352 --> 00:52:29,832
And so it's just fun.

848
00:52:29,952 --> 00:52:30,792
And

849
00:52:30,926 --> 00:52:35,230
People are testing and I think when the game comes out, I think it's gonna be really
popular.

850
00:52:35,230 --> 00:52:38,673
think definitely it's gonna be really really fun and popular.

851
00:52:38,673 --> 00:52:43,378
They have the sauce, they have the sauce, the characters have the sauce, the gameplay has
the sauce.

852
00:52:43,378 --> 00:52:45,159
I'm really excited about the Esports of Deadlock.

853
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:46,220
I'll be honest.

854
00:52:46,681 --> 00:52:48,803
That is gonna be so hype.

855
00:52:48,803 --> 00:52:55,979
I'm full in, genuinely it's gonna be like the next Dota internationals or league
tournaments.

856
00:52:55,979 --> 00:52:56,782
It's gonna be...

857
00:52:56,782 --> 00:53:05,062
I think in my opinion one of the most hype esports we're gonna watch because the fucking
outplays you can do in that game and the tech and movement and you're gonna see some crazy

858
00:53:05,062 --> 00:53:15,622
stuff and crazy team play it's gonna be insane like we're gonna have some faker shit in
this game you're gonna have some crackhead who's 16 years old parrying every attack

859
00:53:15,622 --> 00:53:17,894
jumping around the map it's gonna be great

860
00:53:18,515 --> 00:53:21,136
I've even been scrimming some too like in my free time.

861
00:53:21,136 --> 00:53:22,256
It's so fun

862
00:53:22,394 --> 00:53:26,134
to try the game, but I mean I played it a little bit, but I feel like I'm handless.

863
00:53:26,134 --> 00:53:27,674
Like it just it's not a hero shooter.

864
00:53:27,674 --> 00:53:29,214
It's completely...

865
00:53:29,214 --> 00:53:31,014
Yeah, yeah, it's not.

866
00:53:32,334 --> 00:53:35,934
Like nothing transfers it feels like.

867
00:53:35,934 --> 00:53:48,949
I have mobile experience so I understand some of more basic stuff but SK for example has
no mobile experience and she's like almost eternalist yeah yeah yeah because she just

868
00:53:48,949 --> 00:54:04,949
grinds no you got this I mean I think if you've played Overwatch and stuff it's definitely
transferable because you have the abilities and like you need to manage it yeah yeah time

869
00:54:04,949 --> 00:54:05,419
are easy.

870
00:54:05,419 --> 00:54:07,342
There's three lanes.

871
00:54:07,342 --> 00:54:12,199
uh Minions go down a lane and push an objective that has to be killed.

872
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:13,223
That's a MOBA.

873
00:54:13,223 --> 00:54:20,711
feel like my problem is I feel like if I just fuck up, like I waste my time for one
second, now I just can't win a fight.

874
00:54:20,711 --> 00:54:23,694
And I don't know how to not waste my time, it's my problem.

875
00:54:23,922 --> 00:54:28,162
way you don't waste time in Mobus is just farm.

876
00:54:28,162 --> 00:54:32,762
Like for the beginning farm and you start understanding timings.

877
00:54:32,802 --> 00:54:36,462
Like, oh, I farm my lane, I'm going to farm things around my lane.

878
00:54:36,462 --> 00:54:38,042
Oh, there's nothing to farm.

879
00:54:38,042 --> 00:54:39,042
Maybe I go mid.

880
00:54:39,042 --> 00:54:41,162
Maybe I go help my teammates or something.

881
00:54:41,162 --> 00:54:42,302
Maybe I go look for a fight.

882
00:54:42,302 --> 00:54:43,622
Maybe I go buy, right?

883
00:54:43,726 --> 00:54:48,988
You're going to play the game more, you're going to understand more of the timings and
understand more about the game.

884
00:54:49,188 --> 00:54:50,049
It's going to click.

885
00:54:50,049 --> 00:54:50,779
It will click.

886
00:54:50,779 --> 00:54:52,630
If you keep playing, it will click.

887
00:54:53,390 --> 00:55:01,554
it's going to be fun because you're going to start understanding, oh, I can take these
creeps here and then I can move around the map and I can farm the jungle and I can get all

888
00:55:01,554 --> 00:55:02,234
this money.

889
00:55:02,234 --> 00:55:06,045
then, oh, am I going to take the risk to fight here to get more money or go back?

890
00:55:06,045 --> 00:55:07,156
Or am I going to do that?

891
00:55:07,156 --> 00:55:08,266
Or what items I'm going to buy?

892
00:55:08,266 --> 00:55:09,697
There's a lot of layers to it.

893
00:55:09,697 --> 00:55:11,318
And that's why it's fun, right?

894
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,572
You'd like it Mills.

895
00:55:12,572 --> 00:55:15,102
We got to do a league, but we play league together sometime.

896
00:55:15,102 --> 00:55:15,522
It'd be fun.

897
00:55:15,522 --> 00:55:19,639
I haven't played league in forever, yeah.

898
00:55:20,341 --> 00:55:21,081
Top lane.

899
00:55:21,081 --> 00:55:22,963
Yeah, you strike me as a top player.

900
00:55:23,084 --> 00:55:23,554
Seth.

901
00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:24,866
Yo, I played Seth too.

902
00:55:24,866 --> 00:55:27,569
I was a Graves guy.

903
00:55:27,569 --> 00:55:29,030
Graves, Viego.

904
00:55:29,516 --> 00:55:30,196
I liked Set.

905
00:55:30,196 --> 00:55:31,237
I liked Ornn.

906
00:55:31,237 --> 00:55:32,237
I like...

907
00:55:32,997 --> 00:55:34,358
Yeah, I like...

908
00:55:35,659 --> 00:55:37,040
Oh, I didn't grind too much.

909
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,100
I grinded...

910
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:42,382
It was like Overwatch was really bad and I grinded League for a bit and I got too flat.

911
00:55:42,467 --> 00:55:43,179
Okay.

912
00:55:43,179 --> 00:55:48,098
And then I think Overwatch 2 was coming out, so I just went to grind Overwatch 2.

913
00:55:48,864 --> 00:55:49,784
Yeah.

914
00:55:50,145 --> 00:55:51,162
I like League.

915
00:55:51,162 --> 00:55:53,542
I just do like ARAMs mostly.

916
00:55:53,542 --> 00:55:58,482
That's like what I do just every once in a while, which is just like everybody goes down
one thing.

917
00:55:58,482 --> 00:56:00,962
it's just like team fight mode, basically.

918
00:56:02,722 --> 00:56:06,842
yeah, you kind of honestly got me excited for Deadlock a little bit.

919
00:56:06,842 --> 00:56:08,250
I haven't really checked out that game.

920
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:11,801
I'm surprised you haven't played it coach, because you were really good at League.

921
00:56:12,852 --> 00:56:14,653
You should try it you should try it.

922
00:56:14,653 --> 00:56:27,934
oh yeah, they just added one Strongest character and

923
00:56:27,934 --> 00:56:29,104
Yeah, Abrams is really strong.

924
00:56:29,104 --> 00:56:32,696
You can't build a melee because the thing is...

925
00:56:32,836 --> 00:56:34,797
Yeah, so you have the parry system.

926
00:56:34,797 --> 00:56:36,568
If you go for a melee, they can parry.

927
00:56:36,568 --> 00:56:37,718
You get stunned, you die.

928
00:56:37,718 --> 00:56:42,200
So you need to start outplaying their parries so you don't get fucking cooked.

929
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:47,643
And then you can outplay their melees and cook them and you can bait their parries and
melee them.

930
00:56:47,643 --> 00:56:49,845
You have Billy who is very...

931
00:56:49,845 --> 00:56:54,727
So the way it builds around melee is you have items that boost your melee.

932
00:56:54,727 --> 00:56:58,569
It gives you boosts and buffs to your melee like lifesteal.

933
00:56:58,569 --> 00:57:02,531
You steal AP, I guess, uh if in league terms, right?

934
00:57:02,531 --> 00:57:04,783
uh You steal spirits.

935
00:57:04,783 --> 00:57:07,614
the spirit is AP from league, right?

936
00:57:18,288 --> 00:57:20,053
You

937
00:57:20,053 --> 00:57:24,396
All of your abilities that are considered melee also apply a burn effect.

938
00:57:24,437 --> 00:57:24,757
And...

939
00:57:24,757 --> 00:57:26,375
um

940
00:57:26,375 --> 00:57:27,005
elements too.

941
00:57:27,005 --> 00:57:34,640
So you can like get like different specs going or did they not have like elements of
customization with your character like throughout the game?

942
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,091
Like as you level up, get goal.

943
00:57:36,091 --> 00:57:39,203
Like don't know, like league you can buy items and then they...

944
00:57:39,784 --> 00:57:40,704
Right.

945
00:57:40,835 --> 00:57:41,315
okay.

946
00:57:41,315 --> 00:57:41,994
Those...

947
00:57:41,994 --> 00:57:42,944
Right, right, right.

948
00:57:42,944 --> 00:57:45,192
you buy items Yeah

949
00:57:45,192 --> 00:57:45,855
what you mean.

950
00:57:45,855 --> 00:57:51,786
briefly, but last time I played it was a bebop his ultimate and then refresh his ultimate
and ult again.

951
00:57:51,786 --> 00:57:53,898
I don't remember if that's still a thing.

952
00:57:54,329 --> 00:57:54,999
they, it's horrible.

953
00:57:54,999 --> 00:57:56,600
He was like the best character.

954
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,794
He was like the best character in the game for the small window of time I played is just
people just double bebop.

955
00:58:01,794 --> 00:58:03,270
in the game and there will probably be more.

956
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:05,476
You have lot of characters that do revolve around melee.

957
00:58:05,476 --> 00:58:09,179
Wait, there's a Marvel Rivals podcast, Coach, so we can't be talking about it.

958
00:58:09,179 --> 00:58:11,861
So bringing it back to Rivals.

959
00:58:11,861 --> 00:58:19,626
um how can they take maybe elements of what Deadlock is doing then?

960
00:58:19,827 --> 00:58:25,191
And it seems like it's a bit more complex and there's more meaningful choices you've got
to make.

961
00:58:25,191 --> 00:58:32,398
And maybe make it a fun thing, like kind of, I wouldn't say dumb it down, but we keep
saying lower IQ.

962
00:58:32,398 --> 00:58:34,660
this one, but make it more accessible.

963
00:58:35,021 --> 00:58:38,305
Like Deadpool, for instance, has like lot of customization aspects to him.

964
00:58:38,305 --> 00:58:39,326
He's pretty crazy.

965
00:58:39,326 --> 00:58:42,815
um Do we want more characters like that for the game or?

966
00:58:42,815 --> 00:58:52,484
though doesn't really have customization options because like it's pretty clear-cut what
you're gonna pick like it's always the same that's the unfortunate thing

967
00:58:52,484 --> 00:58:59,909
now that it's solved, it's yeah, it's they would have to they would have to give you like
100 of 100 options and they all do various things.

968
00:58:59,909 --> 00:59:00,890
That's the only way.

969
00:59:00,890 --> 00:59:01,700
needs either.

970
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:11,603
I feel like Deadlock is for people that are going to want that more competitive, engaging,
more put time into, it's almost like a full-time job level of game, whereas Rivals, I feel

971
00:59:11,603 --> 00:59:13,754
like they should just keep building into that.

972
00:59:13,754 --> 00:59:14,604
It's a fun game.

973
00:59:14,604 --> 00:59:18,495
You feel like a superhero when you play it with your homies.

974
00:59:18,495 --> 00:59:20,645
That's kind how I view as Rivals.

975
00:59:20,826 --> 00:59:24,217
I think you could make some more characters like Deadpool that are more engaging like
that.

976
00:59:24,217 --> 00:59:26,107
I feel like with Elsa, they tried to do it.

977
00:59:26,107 --> 00:59:29,640
They tried to make it so that her passive scales with the game, but they just...

978
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,563
They need to work with that passive a little more to make it feel, I guess, a little bit
more MOBA-y if that's what they want to go for.

979
00:59:36,324 --> 00:59:36,814
But I know.

980
00:59:36,814 --> 00:59:42,927
I feel like if you tried as Marvel rivals to make something more like Deadlock or more
like Overwatch, it's just like that's not your niche.

981
00:59:42,927 --> 00:59:46,959
um I don't mind the recent characters though in terms of design.

982
00:59:46,959 --> 00:59:47,600
I think they're cool.

983
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,716
just think once they balance it and they give it a couple months, maybe it'll be a little
bit better.

984
00:59:51,716 --> 00:59:54,135
Mills, we gotta get these guys on with light.

985
00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:56,679
oh Yeah, Eli is gonna lose his fucking mind.

986
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:57,140
Yeah.

987
00:59:57,140 --> 01:00:05,166
Oh, we said that we do need to get light back on but um, I thought I think it'd be cool if
there was a character that I know we're getting into weird like hypothetical design but a

988
01:00:05,166 --> 01:00:16,244
character that They have an old bar that at the halfway mark It does one thing if they let
it charge all the way up It does another thing like they're like you can expend the entire

989
01:00:16,244 --> 01:00:16,524
thing.

990
01:00:16,524 --> 01:00:20,767
It's like two stages You could do like a light alt or you could do like a massable.

991
01:00:20,767 --> 01:00:21,526
I think that's cool

992
01:00:21,526 --> 01:00:28,930
I think Rivals is really good with the fact that they like taking risks with their
characters and I think that's really fun and I think they have really cool kits.

993
01:00:28,930 --> 01:00:31,592
think I know you guys flamed Elsa beforehand.

994
01:00:31,592 --> 01:00:36,294
I think she's one of the most fun DPS I've played like genuinely so fun.

995
01:00:36,634 --> 01:00:39,336
Not fun to play against, but really fun.

996
01:00:39,756 --> 01:00:43,888
And I think they're definitely going to do some crazy shit.

997
01:00:43,888 --> 01:00:44,519
They don't care.

998
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:45,239
And I like it.

999
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:46,493
That's what we saw with Deadlock.

1000
01:00:46,493 --> 01:00:47,841
No, Deadlock, sorry, Deadpool.

1001
01:00:47,841 --> 01:00:49,281
Deadlock, I'm from my Brains character.

1002
01:00:49,281 --> 01:00:50,762
ah

1003
01:00:50,762 --> 01:01:01,021
But I think for Deadpool, for example, even though they did all of that stuff, they need
to rebalance his abilities so that there's more varied opinions about like there's more

1004
01:01:01,021 --> 01:01:01,872
options, right?

1005
01:01:01,872 --> 01:01:04,494
But I think they're definitely going to take risks.

1006
01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:08,987
They're definitely going to do some crazy stuff for the kit of any new hero.

1007
01:01:08,987 --> 01:01:10,989
And I'm sure they're cooking up something big.

1008
01:01:10,989 --> 01:01:19,526
Like I think the way we're going to the way it's going to happen is every year we're going
to get a few crazy characters like Deadpool and m

1009
01:01:19,534 --> 01:01:22,394
And that's like the big changes they're going to do.

1010
01:01:22,934 --> 01:01:26,814
I think I hope I really hope we don't get a blade again.

1011
01:01:26,814 --> 01:01:31,554
I hope that next month I think it's really vital next month to not have really boring
characters.

1012
01:01:31,554 --> 01:01:38,314
I think if next Monday come out with like Cyclops or something like characters like ass
and then one more character that's ass.

1013
01:01:38,314 --> 01:01:41,274
I don't see why I would be playing rivals and say Overwatch at that point.

1014
01:01:41,274 --> 01:01:45,094
Like it's going to be it's just going to be it's just going be boring.

1015
01:01:45,094 --> 01:01:45,394
Right.

1016
01:01:45,394 --> 01:01:47,574
So I think they're going to definitely take risks.

1017
01:01:47,574 --> 01:01:48,714
I think

1018
01:02:02,521 --> 01:02:03,017
You

1019
01:02:03,017 --> 01:02:06,270
cut them some slack in the sense that I think they're very receptive.

1020
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:08,061
They've been very receptive.

1021
01:02:08,061 --> 01:02:09,362
They've been very patient.

1022
01:02:09,362 --> 01:02:12,044
They've done what the community has asked quite often.

1023
01:02:12,044 --> 01:02:13,105
They've introduced memes.

1024
01:02:13,105 --> 01:02:14,666
They have fun with the game.

1025
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:18,752
I think it's really lovely that they introduced memes from the community into the game.

1026
01:02:18,752 --> 01:02:21,293
It shows the fact that they pay attention.

1027
01:02:21,293 --> 01:02:31,058
And usually up until this moment, they've been really on point with what's strong in the
method, which always surprised me in the dev visions.

1028
01:02:31,058 --> 01:02:36,931
Every dev vision, would perfectly describe what's going on with the game and deal with it
accordingly.

1029
01:02:36,931 --> 01:02:40,212
Now they've been cutting, like they've been kind of lazy with it.

1030
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,556
And I hope they go back to that, right?

1031
01:02:42,556 --> 01:02:43,939
So I trust them.

1032
01:02:43,939 --> 01:02:45,644
I do trust the Rivalstiffs.

1033
01:02:45,644 --> 01:02:46,866
I do trust them.

1034
01:02:46,906 --> 01:02:47,762
Yeah.

1035
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,446
there any specific mechanic from another game that want to see them try in Rivals?

1036
01:02:53,515 --> 01:02:54,775
give me perks.

1037
01:02:55,097 --> 01:02:57,139
I am so down for perks from Overwatch.

1038
01:02:57,139 --> 01:02:58,780
You don't know how perks work?

1039
01:02:59,281 --> 01:03:00,362
Give me perks, bro.

1040
01:03:00,362 --> 01:03:01,823
Give me perks.

1041
01:03:01,824 --> 01:03:02,985
That'll be crazy.

1042
01:03:02,985 --> 01:03:04,091
That will be so fun.

1043
01:03:04,091 --> 01:03:11,545
them you want them split up like they are now right like certain certain types of tanks
get certain types of perks certain DBS get certain types of perks Wait, what do you mean?

1044
01:03:11,545 --> 01:03:13,995
Like What are you talking about?

1045
01:03:13,995 --> 01:03:14,942
What are you talking about?

1046
01:03:14,942 --> 01:03:22,228
when you play the game and you do damage and like you enter, you kind of level up and you
get to choice between two perks.

1047
01:03:22,228 --> 01:03:28,612
And those perks, they're kind of like a MOBA mechanic where you level up and you get an
ability.

1048
01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:30,544
Yeah, but fuck it.

1049
01:03:30,544 --> 01:03:31,226
That'll be funny.

1050
01:03:31,226 --> 01:03:31,755
That'll be fun.

1051
01:03:31,755 --> 01:03:32,475
That will be fun.

1052
01:03:32,475 --> 01:03:36,077
I think that's been one of the best changes Overwatch has done.

1053
01:03:36,077 --> 01:03:37,628
BP needs man.

1054
01:03:38,949 --> 01:03:47,696
Yeah Yeah

1055
01:03:48,828 --> 01:03:51,022
The meme potential with that one.

1056
01:03:51,022 --> 01:03:51,582
uh

1057
01:03:51,582 --> 01:03:52,002
go ahead.

1058
01:03:52,002 --> 01:03:52,342
I'm sorry.

1059
01:03:52,342 --> 01:03:53,742
I was just thinking about things too.

1060
01:03:53,742 --> 01:03:55,362
It was like a crouch button.

1061
01:04:16,244 --> 01:04:16,781
it

1062
01:04:16,781 --> 01:04:26,504
cloak and dagger or some bullshit like, Her old is on a bar that she can spend whenever
she wants to.

1063
01:04:26,504 --> 01:04:29,385
Just an old, I don't know.

1064
01:04:29,385 --> 01:04:30,977
They could do some crazy shit for sure.

1065
01:04:30,977 --> 01:04:39,015
they should be simple, something like, okay, when Hulk lands on a jump, he does like 10
A-We Damage or 20, and you can see a little visual thing, and then, you know, little

1066
01:04:39,015 --> 01:04:40,536
things like that, I think.

1067
01:04:41,617 --> 01:04:42,466
Go crazy?

1068
01:04:42,466 --> 01:04:53,154
if Rivals is crazy, mean, Rivals in general is very chaotic and Overwatch is more like,
they're more like, sanitized and they went crazy with their perks.

1069
01:04:58,932 --> 01:05:15,232
You you

1070
01:05:29,511 --> 01:05:35,595
Because what Perkz was originally introduced is like kind of primarily a way to stop
counter swapping, right?

1071
01:05:35,595 --> 01:05:37,809
That's like what it was originally for.

1072
01:06:03,494 --> 01:06:04,821
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:06,647
I played it a little bit.

1074
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:53,153
If this and there's strong decisions like that that actually matter.

1075
01:06:53,153 --> 01:07:01,238
I haven't really played because because I because I'll tell you the reason that I really
stopped playing Overwatch 2 because I played it from a concept played it for a while.

1076
01:07:01,238 --> 01:07:02,729
I didn't really play with the perk system.

1077
01:07:02,729 --> 01:07:13,467
I left before then uh but I was annoyed how it just felt counter swap as a tank thing like
no matter I play I pop off as fucking Doomfist and they swap Arisa like every time it's

1078
01:07:13,467 --> 01:07:18,070
like it feels like is it is that kind of solved or is

1079
01:07:43,056 --> 01:07:45,513
So you'll just take a step back in power.

1080
01:07:50,619 --> 01:07:51,810
All perked up.

1081
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:17,468
but it does help that power level counter-swapping thing.

1082
01:08:17,468 --> 01:08:18,858
you

1083
01:08:22,118 --> 01:08:22,998
Cause that

1084
01:08:25,656 --> 01:08:27,812
I think counter-swapping is actually really strong in Rivals.

1085
01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:30,238
People just don't really do it as much as they probably should.

1086
01:08:30,238 --> 01:08:33,528
um I'm kind of afraid of it long-term that...

1087
01:08:33,528 --> 01:08:34,428
I mean...

1088
01:08:34,442 --> 01:08:37,954
Depends though, like some of the strong characters are just like that's why they're
strong.

1089
01:08:37,954 --> 01:08:39,525
It's like hard to counter them,

1090
01:08:51,953 --> 01:08:52,832
Ryan.

1091
01:09:14,618 --> 01:09:23,114
It'd be cool under your perk idea if they gave him like a tree that could help with some
of those bad matchups though, like some perks that could help with it.

1092
01:09:28,112 --> 01:09:30,891
get some shields when he's CC, yeah.

1093
01:09:31,476 --> 01:09:33,865
Yeah, something like that, yeah, yeah, that'd be cool.

1094
01:09:33,865 --> 01:09:34,546
the-

1095
01:09:37,946 --> 01:09:43,255
Right, but hopefully it doesn't help them in the matchups they're good in, They'd help
them somewhere else.

1096
01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:45,660
Yeah, yeah.

1097
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:46,942
That's interesting.

1098
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,749
We asked for it for years, and they were like, fu- they were like, fuck you.

1099
01:10:04,749 --> 01:10:05,530
Yeah.

1100
01:10:07,699 --> 01:10:36,790
You You m

1101
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:39,850
to have patches where they're just going to shake up the meta and change things.

1102
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:44,910
Like how would you suggest then balancing the characters you say have less counters?

1103
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:48,530
Would you just lower their output or would you?

1104
01:10:58,872 --> 01:10:59,504
Yeah.

1105
01:10:59,504 --> 01:11:04,755
So would you like more cool downs or would you just like, like, like what's the balancing
look like for that?

1106
01:11:04,755 --> 01:11:05,616
perks.

1107
01:11:05,616 --> 01:11:07,838
Like his whole kid needs to be perks.

1108
01:11:13,384 --> 01:11:14,485
Right, yeah.

1109
01:11:14,485 --> 01:11:15,896
That's how they balance.

1110
01:11:18,115 --> 01:11:34,995
Yeah you

1111
01:11:48,672 --> 01:11:50,772
Yes?

1112
01:12:03,232 --> 01:12:04,779
you

1113
01:12:04,779 --> 01:12:06,070
Absolutely.

1114
01:12:11,686 --> 01:12:12,938
Yeah uh

1115
01:12:12,938 --> 01:12:16,003
What does the balancing look like for changing the meta up?

1116
01:12:16,003 --> 01:12:18,326
you kind of mentioned earlier when.

1117
01:12:30,711 --> 01:12:33,603
Yeah, Persia is going to losing his mind.

1118
01:12:33,603 --> 01:12:33,904
Yeah.

1119
01:12:33,904 --> 01:12:35,530
uh

1120
01:13:16,919 --> 01:13:19,540
It makes sense with the identity of the game too.

1121
01:13:24,991 --> 01:13:26,251
Yep.

1122
01:13:27,576 --> 01:13:28,347
Yeah.

1123
01:13:36,429 --> 01:13:39,274
Yeah, it doesn't even matter about balance.

1124
01:13:39,274 --> 01:13:41,736
It just matters that it's fun and that it's different.

1125
01:13:51,506 --> 01:13:54,646
show can't always be this weird character.

1126
01:13:54,646 --> 01:13:56,506
want to talk about Tankpool a little bit?

1127
01:13:56,506 --> 01:13:57,826
Like, say why he's OP?

1128
01:13:57,826 --> 01:14:02,666
Because I think a lot of people don't know about him yet and why he's so good.

1129
01:14:04,926 --> 01:14:05,766
Paz?

1130
01:14:07,046 --> 01:14:07,707
He was...

1131
01:14:07,707 --> 01:14:14,671
mean, yeah, the main thing that I just noticed, I mean, from talking with like some like
pro players too, when they were first learning the character, it's like, pretty sure his,

1132
01:14:14,832 --> 01:14:21,373
I'm going to forget the number because I wrote the guide like months ago, but I'm pretty
sure with like the upgrade to his guns, that's it.

1133
01:14:21,373 --> 01:14:30,309
You do like 167 damage per second with his left click and that's body shot damage and
that's also not taking into account like the explosion that he shoots to or if it's

1134
01:14:30,309 --> 01:14:31,490
headshot damage.

1135
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:36,633
And to put that into perspective, Emma's beam is doing 140 damage per second at max
charge.

1136
01:14:36,873 --> 01:14:40,075
So he does that, he has a shield, his ult's really strong.

1137
01:14:40,075 --> 01:14:46,029
ah I mean he has pretty much everything he could need out of just a tank kit and he just
discredits him.

1138
01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:47,374
tech on Invis.

1139
01:14:47,374 --> 01:14:48,439
That was really good.

1140
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:54,742
because like if you upgrade his pistol, you could just ult the Invis and then she just
can't really heal.

1141
01:14:54,742 --> 01:14:57,544
And like the only way to keep her alive is if the other support pockets her.

1142
01:14:57,544 --> 01:15:01,827
And if the support is pocketing one support that can't heal, they just die if you walk on
them.

1143
01:15:01,827 --> 01:15:05,168
like any any key can just off angle.

1144
01:15:05,309 --> 01:15:09,671
He can force out any DPS with his bubble and his guns.

1145
01:15:09,671 --> 01:15:14,654
like most like like like almost every tank.

1146
01:15:14,674 --> 01:15:17,134
they will get forced out by the DPS.

1147
01:15:17,134 --> 01:15:22,914
Like a Thor can get forced out by a Jhin or like most often a Hulk can get forced out by a
Jhin.

1148
01:15:22,914 --> 01:15:28,854
Tank pulls the one tank that can stand his ground, build ult really fast, ult their back
line, you walk on them, you kill them.

1149
01:15:28,854 --> 01:15:33,414
He kind of breaks the game in a way because he builds up his ultimate so quickly.

1150
01:15:33,934 --> 01:15:40,494
Which is crazy because ults already build crazy fast and he's building up his ult like
faster than supports are.

1151
01:15:40,786 --> 01:15:43,207
um And yeah, he's a bit crazy.

1152
01:15:43,207 --> 01:15:45,490
They're probably gonna have to nerf his ult most likely.

1153
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:49,640
um But yeah, no, he's definitely broken.

1154
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,401
Yeah.

1155
01:15:52,026 --> 01:15:53,966
Would you nerf the charge of it though?

1156
01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:55,926
Or just what it does?

1157
01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:56,966
Like how fast he gets it?

1158
01:15:56,966 --> 01:15:58,846
Is that why it's toxic or like so good?

1159
01:15:58,846 --> 01:16:02,315
Is it because you can get it so quick and kind of just auto win with like one strategy?

1160
01:16:02,315 --> 01:16:09,299
I think playing off of what Bogor said, I think they need to give him more options because
like right now it just you just build towards gun and gun ult.

1161
01:16:09,299 --> 01:16:12,301
So like you could nerf the gun ult aspect of it.

1162
01:16:12,301 --> 01:16:18,184
The guns aspect maybe buff the like the the the other ult, the sword ult, buff the sword.

1163
01:16:18,184 --> 01:16:27,430
Like you could you could kind of balance them a little bit more to be just to give you
more choices, maybe give you a reason to to not build towards just a

1164
01:16:27,718 --> 01:16:29,360
Basically a poke slop tank.

1165
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,352
uh We could we could build him a different way.

1166
01:16:31,352 --> 01:16:38,000
So yeah I think people are gonna pick up on how broken he is really soon because

1167
01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:49,101
Yeah, I've heard a lot of things.

1168
01:16:49,101 --> 01:16:56,133
Yeah Yeah

1169
01:17:18,095 --> 01:17:19,235
Yep.

1170
01:17:26,795 --> 01:17:28,115
That too, yep.

1171
01:17:49,931 --> 01:17:51,642
Yeah.

1172
01:17:51,642 --> 01:18:01,228
out in a game where hitscan are like the best things you could play a hitscan tank is just
fucking the best thing you could play well Who would have thought that?

1173
01:18:01,449 --> 01:18:03,249
Just getting to shoot shit is good

1174
01:18:03,249 --> 01:18:12,055
ego solo ulted a tank pool in one of my games the other night and then he popped his ult
to counter and his health bar did not move when I was just hitting him in a room by him.

1175
01:18:12,055 --> 01:18:15,326
just perma, perma uptime mega Hulk just does nothing.

1176
01:18:15,326 --> 01:18:18,103
because you're playing a D tier character against an S tier character.

1177
01:18:18,103 --> 01:18:19,846
You learn your lesson.

1178
01:18:20,602 --> 01:18:25,477
Honestly, these takes have been refreshing that you guys have been saying because I've
been ripping my hair out about this game.

1179
01:18:25,477 --> 01:18:31,860
But when you kind of take it, step back, and look at the game for what it is, you can't
really get too mad, right?

1180
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:33,392
Unless you're trying to go pro, it's tough.

1181
01:18:33,392 --> 01:18:33,967
Yeah

1182
01:18:33,967 --> 01:18:34,846
Yeah.

1183
01:18:38,408 --> 01:18:39,514
yeah, I agree.

1184
01:18:43,988 --> 01:18:49,748
I think it's more like if you're not trying to go pro, you should really just be trying to
play for fun.

1185
01:18:49,888 --> 01:18:51,628
It's just the perspective.

1186
01:18:52,068 --> 01:18:52,968
Yeah.

1187
01:18:55,612 --> 01:18:56,924
Playing in tournaments are fun.

1188
01:18:56,924 --> 01:18:59,126
Playing in turn- little mini tournaments.

1189
01:19:00,469 --> 01:19:04,053
Okay, okay, okay, okay.

1190
01:19:04,214 --> 01:19:05,795
That's actually true.

1191
01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:08,399
Ha!

1192
01:19:17,792 --> 01:19:30,852
Yeah you

1193
01:19:33,069 --> 01:19:35,266
We pretty much got everything we needed to talk about.

1194
01:19:35,266 --> 01:19:41,878
I was taking a look at your tier list, so number one thing you'd buff about Wanda to make
her playable.

1195
01:19:42,566 --> 01:19:44,312
Don't, don't, don't.

1196
01:19:44,312 --> 01:19:45,237
Okay.

1197
01:19:47,781 --> 01:19:51,508
She wouldn't be fun to play against is the issue if she's like if she has a mega beam.

1198
01:19:51,508 --> 01:19:52,229
I'm good.

1199
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:56,289
eh

1200
01:19:56,289 --> 01:19:58,161
Yeah, no, fuck that character.

1201
01:20:38,251 --> 01:20:39,572
Do you think in...

1202
01:20:40,853 --> 01:20:46,875
Do you think in general it should be high skill stealing characters should be the ones
that are the most meta at the high ranks?

1203
01:20:47,256 --> 01:20:48,796
Yeah, yeah.

1204
01:20:49,237 --> 01:20:50,477
That makes sense, yeah.

1205
01:20:50,477 --> 01:20:53,679
No Squirrel Girl metas up in top 500 pro play?

1206
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:55,290
Nah, I'm just kidding.

1207
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:58,961
Hey, no, that was hype as fuck.

1208
01:20:58,961 --> 01:21:01,266
Junk is fundamentally different than...

1209
01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:06,633
I talked about this before, think Junkrat would be one of the higher skill ceiling
characters in Rivals.

1210
01:21:06,633 --> 01:21:11,740
Like if you just took Junkrat, if you just took Junkrat and put him in Rivals, he'd be one
of the higher skill ceiling characters.

1211
01:21:11,740 --> 01:21:12,521
Legit.

1212
01:21:12,521 --> 01:21:13,570
Legit.

1213
01:21:13,570 --> 01:21:14,240
it.

1214
01:21:19,765 --> 01:21:20,475
Yeah

1215
01:21:20,475 --> 01:21:23,919
Yeah, that's true.

1216
01:21:23,919 --> 01:21:26,773
Yeah, that's hey, I like you test.

1217
01:21:26,773 --> 01:21:27,614
That's what you said.

1218
01:21:27,614 --> 01:21:30,534
We're making it

1219
01:21:30,836 --> 01:21:31,976
Yeah.

1220
01:21:31,976 --> 01:21:34,496
You

1221
01:21:56,762 --> 01:21:57,664
Yeah

1222
01:22:00,164 --> 01:22:01,445
Well, I'm glad I asked.

1223
01:22:01,445 --> 01:22:03,086
Refreshing takes, for sure.

1224
01:22:03,086 --> 01:22:04,316
Refreshing takes.

1225
01:22:04,316 --> 01:22:08,409
Because a lot of this podcast, think, is a lot of people kind of just saying what they
don't like about it.

1226
01:22:08,409 --> 01:22:10,420
You're just saying, like, yeah, don't really complain.

1227
01:22:10,420 --> 01:22:11,030
Both of you really.

1228
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:15,072
Yeah, it is what it is.

1229
01:22:15,441 --> 01:22:16,393
Yeah.

1230
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:17,712
Yep.

1231
01:22:24,741 --> 01:22:25,590
Yeah

1232
01:22:26,138 --> 01:22:27,090
Hehehe.

1233
01:22:35,091 --> 01:22:35,872
Yep.

1234
01:22:36,318 --> 01:22:37,722
It's made for fun.

1235
01:23:03,524 --> 01:23:05,164
I swear no one's happy.

1236
01:23:05,565 --> 01:23:07,677
It's so hard to find a happy Rivals player.

1237
01:23:07,677 --> 01:23:09,048
It's really sad to see.

1238
01:23:09,048 --> 01:23:11,670
Right now, a couple months I think it'll be better.

1239
01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:12,750
I really do.

1240
01:23:40,583 --> 01:23:41,474
Jackie.

1241
01:23:45,364 --> 01:23:46,445
I couldn't agree more.

1242
01:23:46,445 --> 01:23:55,118
mean that's a lot of what like with overwatch I was I mean I was trying to make it but
it's like at end of the day like You just have to enjoy what you're doing even if you're

1243
01:23:55,118 --> 01:24:02,872
trying to make it you're trying to be a pro player like you have to ask yourself sometimes
too like if you hate playing this game already for six hours a day and you make the

1244
01:24:02,872 --> 01:24:09,835
overwatch like you make the Sentinels or hundred thieves like you you're gonna have to
scrim this game then for like

1245
01:24:09,981 --> 01:24:12,932
plus hours a day plus rank, like you were going to hate yourself.

1246
01:24:12,932 --> 01:24:15,209
So if you don't like it, like take a break.

1247
01:24:17,381 --> 01:24:18,715
Exactly.

1248
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:19,250
Yeah.

1249
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:19,561
Yeah.

1250
01:24:19,561 --> 01:24:23,115
uh

1251
01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:28,342
Yeah, you have to enjoy the game you're playing.

1252
01:24:28,342 --> 01:24:29,354
I that's the whole point.

1253
01:24:29,354 --> 01:24:37,871
like, I'm it's foolish of me to think that I'm going to be able to say, yeah, nerf X and
Y, and it's just going to magically poof get nerfed.

1254
01:24:37,871 --> 01:24:41,094
I'm just going to, you know, if that's like what's playing, I mean, if I enjoy it, I'll
play it.

1255
01:24:41,094 --> 01:24:41,985
If not, I'll take a break.

1256
01:24:41,985 --> 01:24:43,286
And I've done that already.

1257
01:24:43,286 --> 01:24:45,408
And I enjoy rivals more as a result.

1258
01:24:45,408 --> 01:24:46,248
So.

1259
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:50,754
And yeah, Paz, super clutch coming on for us last minute.

1260
01:24:50,754 --> 01:24:52,556
Appreciate that.

1261
01:24:52,556 --> 01:24:56,019
People have been uh bailing on our...

1262
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,394
Tough to get people to show up regularly, Dodging more than people leave in my ranked
games.

1263
01:25:00,394 --> 01:25:02,096
It feels like some of the times, bro.

1264
01:25:02,096 --> 01:25:04,248
So appreciate that, bro, coming in the clutch.

1265
01:25:04,248 --> 01:25:06,290
um

1266
01:25:15,751 --> 01:25:16,275
Yeah.

1267
01:25:16,275 --> 01:25:16,636
cook?

1268
01:25:16,636 --> 01:25:17,211
Okay.

1269
01:25:17,211 --> 01:25:22,411
this point, just want to see what the ads, like what more they can bring.

1270
01:25:22,411 --> 01:25:23,611
Just more crazy stuff.

1271
01:25:23,611 --> 01:25:26,671
Because I mean, while Elsa, like while I was playing it, it was broken.

1272
01:25:26,671 --> 01:25:28,711
It was pretty fun dashing around and killing everyone.

1273
01:25:28,711 --> 01:25:29,951
I can't lie.

1274
01:25:30,091 --> 01:25:31,507
So yeah, I more of that.

1275
01:25:31,507 --> 01:25:32,312
It's

1276
01:25:36,398 --> 01:25:38,220
Yeah, it's something great.

1277
01:25:38,220 --> 01:25:39,801
It's, it's, yeah.

1278
01:25:40,462 --> 01:25:44,395
It's honestly pretty cool what they did with the character that I think a lot of people
didn't know who the fuck it was.

1279
01:25:44,395 --> 01:25:45,907
Like I had no idea who else it was.

1280
01:25:45,907 --> 01:25:49,700
uh I don't know if people did, but yeah.

1281
01:25:50,315 --> 01:25:52,415
You

1282
01:25:53,419 --> 01:26:03,867
Yeah, and I wouldn't Luna I like I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see like
movies with Jeff and Luna and all these characters now.

1283
01:26:03,867 --> 01:26:08,570
Yeah Yeah, he will definitely be in a fucking movie.

1284
01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:13,213
I my daughter has played the game a tiny bit and she will not stop talking about Jeff She
wants a Jeff stuffy.

1285
01:26:13,213 --> 01:26:17,276
She wants a Jeff t-shirt and it's like yeah, it's it's taking over.

1286
01:26:17,276 --> 01:26:20,818
Um, but but yeah, um

1287
01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:23,731
Boger, tell people where to find you.

1288
01:26:23,852 --> 01:26:25,281
Where do people find you?

1289
01:26:25,281 --> 01:26:26,162
Where do people support you?

1290
01:26:26,162 --> 01:26:27,416
oh shit.

1291
01:26:27,416 --> 01:26:29,037
Oh shit.

1292
01:26:29,037 --> 01:26:30,539
That's actually aura.

1293
01:26:30,539 --> 01:26:31,620
yeah.

1294
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:32,660
Pass.

1295
01:26:32,861 --> 01:26:33,615
Let people know.

1296
01:26:33,615 --> 01:26:42,831
aura as Belgrade does but I mean YouTube just has and then twitch twitch.tv slash pass
swagger any any follow appreciate it watching just appreciate you guys

1297
01:26:43,279 --> 01:26:44,220
Hell yeah, dude.

1298
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:47,026
thank you all guys so much for coming by and thank you for watching.

1299
01:26:47,026 --> 01:26:50,093
Make sure to smash the like, subscribe and we will see you next time.

1300
01:26:50,093 --> 01:26:51,106
See you.