1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,970 Jacob Cooper: We're all bio neurochemical. 2 00:00:01,970 --> 00:00:05,110 And when I was disembodied on the other side, there 3 00:00:05,110 --> 00:00:09,870 was no beginning, middle, or end with how good I felt. 4 00:00:09,910 --> 00:00:11,310 There was no time. 5 00:00:11,770 --> 00:00:14,199 It's like taking air and trying to chop air up. 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,689 You couldn't even if you tried. 7 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,240 It would be so ridiculous. 8 00:00:17,299 --> 00:00:20,680 And so the way I could describe it was euphoric, 9 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:23,700 unconditional love, in dwelling in that place 10 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:28,040 where there was no end to this endless euphoric 11 00:00:28,165 --> 00:00:31,275 sensation that I was having, there was no cap on it. 12 00:00:34,835 --> 00:00:37,615 Rod Bland: My guest today is Jacob Cooper who had a 13 00:00:37,615 --> 00:00:40,335 near death experience at the tender age of three 14 00:00:40,745 --> 00:00:43,335 and he's here to talk about that experience today. 15 00:00:43,705 --> 00:00:45,805 Jacob, welcome and thank you so much for 16 00:00:45,805 --> 00:00:46,365 coming on the show. 17 00:00:47,365 --> 00:00:48,515 Jacob Cooper: Oh, my pleasure, Rod. 18 00:00:48,555 --> 00:00:50,735 Thank you for having me on your channel. 19 00:00:50,735 --> 00:00:53,985 A big honor, and I've been a follower of your work, and I 20 00:00:53,995 --> 00:00:56,155 thank you for the good work that you're doing today. 21 00:00:57,745 --> 00:01:00,665 Rod Bland: I imagine that your NDE is one of your first 22 00:01:00,675 --> 00:01:03,775 childhood memories, so how about we just start there? 23 00:01:04,775 --> 00:01:06,105 Jacob Cooper: Yeah, this is actually my... 24 00:01:06,325 --> 00:01:09,565 30th anniversary this month of September of my 25 00:01:09,565 --> 00:01:10,445 near death experience. 26 00:01:10,445 --> 00:01:12,705 It happened in September of 1993. 27 00:01:13,045 --> 00:01:15,205 At the time I, obviously didn't know it I was just an 28 00:01:15,205 --> 00:01:18,245 infant, but I was diagnosed with whooping cough, 29 00:01:18,245 --> 00:01:19,955 otherwise known as pertussis. 30 00:01:19,965 --> 00:01:23,024 And, I suffocated as a result of whooping cough. 31 00:01:23,034 --> 00:01:25,354 There wasn't a capacity to breathe. 32 00:01:25,404 --> 00:01:28,314 I went to a playground just as an innocent child, 33 00:01:28,744 --> 00:01:32,004 climbed a ladder onto a slide, completely suffocated 34 00:01:32,454 --> 00:01:33,584 due to whooping cough. 35 00:01:33,624 --> 00:01:36,804 I wasn't able to hold on to everything, my brain, my 36 00:01:36,804 --> 00:01:39,014 body, everything shut down. 37 00:01:39,514 --> 00:01:43,134 And once I surrendered, I was able to really go on a journey 38 00:01:43,174 --> 00:01:46,034 to the other side where I completely crossed over. 39 00:01:46,364 --> 00:01:48,844 My soul completely crossed over and it was 40 00:01:48,844 --> 00:01:52,464 that experience where I encountered, my own guardian 41 00:01:52,464 --> 00:01:54,214 angels and spirit guides. 42 00:01:54,624 --> 00:01:57,204 I was aware of God, all that there ever 43 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:58,964 is, ever was, will be. 44 00:01:59,424 --> 00:02:02,494 I became aware of my own soul family members. 45 00:02:02,834 --> 00:02:04,474 I was aware of past lives. 46 00:02:04,864 --> 00:02:08,464 I was aware of angels that were surrounding my body, 47 00:02:08,465 --> 00:02:11,284 which was on the ground and people were calling to me. 48 00:02:11,754 --> 00:02:14,394 So this was a profound, fascinating experience, 49 00:02:14,424 --> 00:02:17,979 but most importantly, was the decision factor. 50 00:02:17,999 --> 00:02:20,729 I know plenty of near death experiencers will speak on 51 00:02:21,189 --> 00:02:23,759 how they were told, hey, it's not your time, you have more 52 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:25,849 work to do, stuff like that. 53 00:02:25,899 --> 00:02:29,179 But for myself, there was all autonomy as to 54 00:02:29,179 --> 00:02:30,029 what I would be doing. 55 00:02:30,029 --> 00:02:33,160 And I just asked, if I were to stay on the other side 56 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,970 what would my life look like? 57 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:36,740 Why should I stay? 58 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:40,630 And I was given imagery of premonitions of what I 59 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:41,910 would be doing in this life. 60 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,140 And I saw myself helping a lot of different people. 61 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:49,080 And it was from, that reason of helping others is why 62 00:02:49,090 --> 00:02:51,030 I decided, to really stay. 63 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:54,000 In that point from the decision of agreeing to 64 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,400 helping people after that, everything dissipated. 65 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,480 And I was, I woke up on a hospital bed, but without the 66 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,750 complexity of this near death experience at such young age 67 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:09,099 with memories that last with me, I know to this day and 68 00:03:09,099 --> 00:03:10,579 with within my whole lifetime. 69 00:03:10,969 --> 00:03:12,289 So it's it's fascinating. 70 00:03:12,289 --> 00:03:15,189 I'm sure there's a lot to unpack, unfold. 71 00:03:15,279 --> 00:03:18,239 Within my NDE, but I'm forever grateful for it. 72 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:21,159 I'll never forget, my crossing over experience. 73 00:03:21,169 --> 00:03:24,119 And more importantly that, you could take and 74 00:03:24,119 --> 00:03:26,299 bury the body, but you can never bury the soul. 75 00:03:26,299 --> 00:03:28,369 The soul goes on, beyond the body. 76 00:03:28,369 --> 00:03:30,429 And I, and thousands of others throughout 77 00:03:30,429 --> 00:03:33,329 the world are living testaments of that reality. 78 00:03:33,829 --> 00:03:35,589 Rod Bland: I'll just take you back so we can flesh 79 00:03:35,589 --> 00:03:37,159 out the details of your NDE. 80 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:40,649 So you're at the playground and I guess you began to 81 00:03:40,649 --> 00:03:43,050 notice that your breathing was labored and I know you're 82 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:44,660 recalling things that were when you were three years 83 00:03:44,660 --> 00:03:47,070 old, so it's probably some of the details may not be there. 84 00:03:47,070 --> 00:03:49,880 But at what point did you realize that your existing 85 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:52,250 reality was changing or had disappeared and a 86 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:53,520 new reality had appeared? 87 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,530 Jacob Cooper: Yeah I want to preface that, the details 88 00:03:57,530 --> 00:04:01,260 are just as clear as any other near death experience, 89 00:04:01,290 --> 00:04:04,869 and that will blow the viewer's mind but, why I think 90 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:08,530 that is, is the component of trauma that happened within 91 00:04:08,530 --> 00:04:10,839 my near death experience, and when you're having something 92 00:04:10,839 --> 00:04:14,469 traumatic, you either have disassociative components to 93 00:04:14,469 --> 00:04:17,589 it where you push it away to protect yourself from that 94 00:04:17,599 --> 00:04:21,354 trauma, or there's clarity beyond any experience you 95 00:04:21,415 --> 00:04:22,624 compare it to your lifetime. 96 00:04:22,624 --> 00:04:25,325 So this isn't an ordinary memory. 97 00:04:25,695 --> 00:04:27,984 And I was not an ordinary three year 98 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:29,244 old when I had this. 99 00:04:29,245 --> 00:04:33,105 I was none of us are, we are experiencing ourselves 100 00:04:33,105 --> 00:04:35,965 in chronological age throughout this lifetime. 101 00:04:35,965 --> 00:04:38,085 But beyond that, we're all infinite souls that 102 00:04:38,085 --> 00:04:39,295 are timeless and ageless. 103 00:04:39,295 --> 00:04:43,195 And so this was a full experience of my soul. 104 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:47,180 Beyond, the developmental trajectory of myself, as 105 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:48,160 a young three year old. 106 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,290 But the details were fully there and, I do credit 107 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:55,340 trauma, but yes, suffocation was what led to it. 108 00:04:55,389 --> 00:04:59,229 What allowed me to cross over was the capacity to 109 00:04:59,259 --> 00:05:01,409 let go of my suffering. 110 00:05:01,410 --> 00:05:05,000 You see why I mentioned trauma as I was suffocating, 111 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,670 and that was the scariest moment of my life to this day. 112 00:05:08,295 --> 00:05:11,345 But once I was able to let go of this period of suffocating 113 00:05:11,345 --> 00:05:15,045 that felt like an eternity and just surrender to a 114 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:18,435 breath beyond this body, which, in my language, I 115 00:05:18,465 --> 00:05:21,615 grew up Jewish, the breath for spirit is called Ruach, 116 00:05:21,705 --> 00:05:24,595 which translates as the wind or the breath of God. 117 00:05:25,220 --> 00:05:29,270 And I let go of the suffocation and lack of 118 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:31,860 breath in my own body and surrendered to the eternal 119 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:35,460 breath of source that we all are connected to. 120 00:05:35,970 --> 00:05:39,080 It's through surrender that really was a saving grace of 121 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,390 my life and my experience. 122 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:44,770 Rod Bland: So when you can't breathe, there's panic, right? 123 00:05:44,770 --> 00:05:46,100 There's all this Oh, I can't breathe, I 124 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:46,880 can't draw a breath. 125 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:48,050 This is the one thing that you need. 126 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:49,370 Yeah. 127 00:05:49,630 --> 00:05:52,780 So was there some thought process where you go, 128 00:05:52,820 --> 00:05:53,890 this is not working? 129 00:05:53,890 --> 00:05:55,390 Were you able to think rationally or was it 130 00:05:55,390 --> 00:05:57,380 just the letting go just sort of overcome you? 131 00:05:58,380 --> 00:05:59,060 Jacob Cooper: The letting go. 132 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:01,850 There, I tried as much as I could to be in denial 133 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:03,070 of it or tried to breathe, 134 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,300 but there was nothing, you ever imagine like drowning 135 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,800 and trying to like grasp onto something to hold onto, 136 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,750 but you're drowning and you just have to like, just 137 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:14,230 surrender to the process. 138 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:15,260 And that's just what I did. 139 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:18,430 I surrendered it and I just felt myself shifting 140 00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:21,900 and elevating beyond My body, it's try to go into 141 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:23,600 a car and rev your engine. 142 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:24,740 The car's not working. 143 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:26,650 What the heck is the point of staying in the car? 144 00:06:26,660 --> 00:06:28,950 You're not going to stay in the driver's seat. 145 00:06:28,980 --> 00:06:31,170 You're going to go into the hood, check the engine, 146 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:32,090 see what's going on. 147 00:06:32,090 --> 00:06:35,110 And for myself, that's what happened is I just let go of 148 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:36,800 something that wasn't working. 149 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,610 There's no point in being there. 150 00:06:38,610 --> 00:06:43,110 It's not operating, but really, fully was my brain 151 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,300 that I felt that snapped in half due to the deprivation 152 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:50,550 of oxygen, and once really my brain, feeling my brain 153 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,300 snapped in half was when I fully really let go and 154 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:55,780 surrender to the other side. 155 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 And so there's a saying that, my brain cracked open and 156 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,340 that's when God came in and for myself, that literally 157 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:05,450 happened to me, where I felt an incredibly large, loud 158 00:07:05,530 --> 00:07:07,150 crack within my own brain. 159 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:10,360 And that's when God in the spirit realm came in full 160 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:11,750 force and full throttle. 161 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:15,520 So I know, hopefully we could talk a little bit about the 162 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,819 brain and mind dichotomy because I could talk ad 163 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:20,300 nauseum about that too. 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,020 Rod Bland: And what did you witness? 165 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:24,760 So once you'd let go of the panic, associated with 166 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:27,690 not being able to breathe and what did you witness 167 00:07:27,690 --> 00:07:28,830 after that period of time? 168 00:07:29,830 --> 00:07:32,700 Jacob Cooper: I felt myself going into a familiar tunnel, 169 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:34,670 which when we cross over, 170 00:07:35,010 --> 00:07:37,920 we all go into a tunnel and we go into a journey 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,620 within, a journey to the other side, but I really 172 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:42,340 felt my soul ascending. 173 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Once I entered this light at the tunnel, 174 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,070 I felt my soul elevating and ascending to this 175 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 sensation of euphoria where, in our world, we're 176 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,780 used to like a limitation with how good we can feel. 177 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:54,920 We're all bio neurochemical. 178 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,060 And when I was disembodied on the other side, there 179 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:03,820 was no beginning, middle, or end with how good I felt. 180 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:05,260 There was no time. 181 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,150 It's like taking air and trying to chop air up. 182 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:09,640 You couldn't even if you tried. 183 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:11,190 It would be so ridiculous. 184 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:14,630 And so the way I could describe it was euphoric, 185 00:08:14,670 --> 00:08:17,650 unconditional love, in dwelling in that place 186 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:21,990 where there was no end to this endless euphoric 187 00:08:22,115 --> 00:08:25,225 sensation that I was having, there was no cap on it. 188 00:08:25,735 --> 00:08:30,015 And, this endless cap of love, this endless source 189 00:08:30,075 --> 00:08:33,845 of euphoric love, was my understanding of God. 190 00:08:34,115 --> 00:08:37,655 God is in euphoric, unconditional love. 191 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,560 Where there is no beginning, there's no 192 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:40,620 middle, there's no end. 193 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:44,560 And all of life itself flows through that source, that 194 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,750 we are all divine sparks of this euphoric, endless love. 195 00:08:48,210 --> 00:08:51,150 And that's the source of all of creation itself. 196 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:55,180 And, you could imagine when I was looking at and 197 00:08:55,180 --> 00:08:59,105 feeling this euphoric love, there was no like end to 198 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:00,825 it, it was just, eternal. 199 00:09:01,285 --> 00:09:02,925 And that's not something that we're used to. 200 00:09:02,925 --> 00:09:05,765 In our minds, we're used to operating on a linear level. 201 00:09:05,765 --> 00:09:07,885 There's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 202 00:09:07,915 --> 00:09:10,465 Saturday, Sunday, and that's it, and there's the month 203 00:09:10,465 --> 00:09:11,475 and there's structure. 204 00:09:11,965 --> 00:09:13,915 On the other side there's no box. 205 00:09:13,925 --> 00:09:15,025 There's no structure. 206 00:09:15,315 --> 00:09:17,715 It's a totally different dichotomy than this reality. 207 00:09:17,715 --> 00:09:21,785 It's just so different, in, in every possible way. 208 00:09:22,785 --> 00:09:24,685 Rod Bland: And how did your experience, so you're a 209 00:09:24,685 --> 00:09:28,115 three year old, and a three year old's experience of 210 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:30,955 oneself is fairly limited, fairly small, right? 211 00:09:31,405 --> 00:09:34,175 How did your experience of yourself and who you 212 00:09:34,175 --> 00:09:38,465 were alter as you went down that tunnel once you 213 00:09:38,465 --> 00:09:39,485 got to the other side? 214 00:09:40,485 --> 00:09:43,745 Jacob Cooper: Yeah, it's just experiencing myself and I 215 00:09:43,755 --> 00:09:45,965 wasn't limited by the body. 216 00:09:45,965 --> 00:09:49,075 I wasn't limited with how people perceived or saw me. 217 00:09:49,485 --> 00:09:51,405 I wasn't limited by a particular age. 218 00:09:51,405 --> 00:09:52,915 I was, my soul. 219 00:09:53,025 --> 00:09:56,055 And, for all of us, we sometimes associate 220 00:09:56,095 --> 00:09:57,895 this current lifetime with our soul, 221 00:09:57,895 --> 00:10:00,435 and it's really just an experience of our 222 00:10:00,435 --> 00:10:03,055 soul, but not the full totality of who we are. 223 00:10:03,385 --> 00:10:04,345 It's like picking up a 224 00:10:04,355 --> 00:10:06,715 book and identifying one page of that book. 225 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:10,370 As the entire book itself, and that's an aspect of it, 226 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,720 but it's not the entirety. 227 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:13,930 And so we identified this lifetime with 228 00:10:13,930 --> 00:10:14,680 all that there is. 229 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:17,330 And I could tell you firsthand that there's not there's 230 00:10:17,330 --> 00:10:21,050 other chapters and it's eternal book that we have. 231 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,730 And so I think it's important for viewers is to say that, 232 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:26,570 yes, this lifetime is what we have, it's all there is 233 00:10:26,570 --> 00:10:28,790 in front of us, but in the big picture it's not that 234 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:32,250 they're all there ever is, never was, it's just a small 235 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,780 stop of the soul, and it's a one way journey back home. 236 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,860 For near death experiencers it's a little different, we 237 00:10:37,860 --> 00:10:40,070 have a little stop over on that one way journey back 238 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:43,020 home, and then we continue life, and then we come back 239 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:44,670 when it's our time again. 240 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:47,490 Rod Bland: And at what point did you realize, I know 241 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:49,250 I'm talking about things in a linear fashion here 242 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:51,380 because it's the only way that we can at what point 243 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:53,640 did you realize that who you thought you were was 244 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,000 actually just a little portion of the totality of you? 245 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:01,320 Jacob Cooper: I think The whole thing just was, I 246 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,350 think two things could be true at the same time, and 247 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:05,600 my near death experience had that, where on one hand, 248 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,570 I still had attachment to my life as a three year 249 00:11:08,570 --> 00:11:11,370 old, my parents, and there was an adjustment phase. 250 00:11:11,380 --> 00:11:13,470 It wasn't just I went over there and poof I 251 00:11:13,470 --> 00:11:14,960 wasn't, How do I put it? 252 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:17,710 I wasn't congruent with my surroundings. 253 00:11:17,710 --> 00:11:23,560 It took me some time to adapt to how vast, expansive, 254 00:11:23,570 --> 00:11:25,250 euphoric all this was. 255 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:27,520 That took some time, but it was still my 256 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,840 soul's experience. 257 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:32,920 But I think it was really seeing a lot of past lives 258 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,760 that I lived that just reminded me that, wow, I'm 259 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,150 not just this one lifetime. 260 00:11:37,150 --> 00:11:40,300 I have infinite amount of journeys and so this 261 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:41,320 isn't all that there is. 262 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,400 And so seeing a couple different past lifetimes that 263 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,430 I lived that just reminded me that this is just one 264 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:50,335 stop in this infinite journey and I'm not that three year 265 00:11:50,335 --> 00:11:52,145 old kid, I'm beyond that. 266 00:11:52,155 --> 00:11:56,055 And, I just felt very old, my soul just felt just very old. 267 00:11:56,055 --> 00:11:59,375 Like it was just ironic and funny how people looked at 268 00:11:59,375 --> 00:12:02,925 me as this like little kid looking, at my, in my NDE, 269 00:12:02,965 --> 00:12:06,565 I just felt it was a weird feeling, it was weird because 270 00:12:07,065 --> 00:12:11,585 sometimes there's, I say the young people are very old 271 00:12:11,585 --> 00:12:14,185 and the old people are very young in this world because 272 00:12:14,185 --> 00:12:17,065 the young people remember who they are and they're still 273 00:12:17,065 --> 00:12:19,595 connected and the old people forget who they really are. 274 00:12:19,965 --> 00:12:21,925 So from a spiritual perspective, those who 275 00:12:21,955 --> 00:12:25,315 connect to me are young in a way, are old in a way, 276 00:12:25,315 --> 00:12:27,935 and those who forget are just younger, spiritually. 277 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:33,125 And so it just was, weird to just think that I was 278 00:12:33,145 --> 00:12:35,735 playing this role as a three year old and that's 279 00:12:35,735 --> 00:12:36,655 how the world saw me. 280 00:12:36,655 --> 00:12:39,085 But the truth was that was such a small 281 00:12:39,395 --> 00:12:40,835 picture of who I was. 282 00:12:40,845 --> 00:12:44,140 It was just a short experience on the journey of my soul. 283 00:12:44,610 --> 00:12:46,850 Rod Bland: And what did the environment look like once 284 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:49,300 you went through the tunnel and did you meet any other 285 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:51,840 entities, spirits, angels, et cetera, while you were there? 286 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,340 Jacob Cooper: Yeah the first real angels that I 287 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,470 experienced are my guardian angels or spirit guides. 288 00:12:59,810 --> 00:13:02,250 Depending on what culture you're in, there's different 289 00:13:02,380 --> 00:13:06,030 ways of expressing it, but I experienced my spirit guides 290 00:13:06,030 --> 00:13:09,825 who were with me on the other side and they helped my body. 291 00:13:09,825 --> 00:13:12,385 I felt them pushing my body down to the ground. 292 00:13:12,385 --> 00:13:15,085 But when I saw my spirit guides, they were a 293 00:13:15,085 --> 00:13:16,255 male and female guide. 294 00:13:16,555 --> 00:13:18,465 The one component of my NDE, you asked me if 295 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:19,475 I remember everything. 296 00:13:19,785 --> 00:13:21,575 The only component that I struggle to remember 297 00:13:21,575 --> 00:13:24,915 is the exact names of my spirit guides. 298 00:13:25,265 --> 00:13:28,945 I have had like strong inklings after this, of 299 00:13:28,945 --> 00:13:31,725 their exact names, but it's not like a conviction. 300 00:13:32,195 --> 00:13:33,455 I just call them the guides. 301 00:13:33,475 --> 00:13:37,045 But in the moment, to be frank, I knew it was a 302 00:13:37,045 --> 00:13:39,875 male and female guide and I knew their exact names. 303 00:13:39,875 --> 00:13:42,505 And it's like that one thing that I want to get 304 00:13:42,515 --> 00:13:45,645 back in my NDE was just to remember their exact names. 305 00:13:45,645 --> 00:13:49,300 And at times it comes to me, but I can't say it's 306 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:52,800 as ever as strong when I connect to them as it was 307 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,910 in my NDE, but they were to the right side and left 308 00:13:54,910 --> 00:13:58,080 side of me, and they were right there, to my sides as 309 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,310 if I'm looking right at you. 310 00:13:59,310 --> 00:14:02,230 They were right there, with me but they were the most 311 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,210 beautiful, immaculate, beings you could possibly imagine. 312 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:08,530 They had human characteristics 313 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:11,460 but they were the closest extension of my soul that 314 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:14,760 you could have, and I knew they were with me before I 315 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,300 was born and they're going to be with me after I die. 316 00:14:17,310 --> 00:14:19,410 They're, my, my guardian angels. 317 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:22,330 And it was a reunion with them and it was also a sense 318 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:24,860 of, Oh my God, how the heck could I forget that they were 319 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:26,440 with me this entire time? 320 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:29,290 So there was some, even amnesia as a three year old 321 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:32,870 where, I had a little bit of forgetfulness of my guides and 322 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:34,410 then I saw them right with me. 323 00:14:35,290 --> 00:14:38,010 It was just so beautiful, the reunion that I had 324 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:40,620 with them and recognizing that they never left me. 325 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:43,640 They were there with me each step of my journey, my 326 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,300 short chronological journey, but I always say it's never 327 00:14:47,310 --> 00:14:50,000 the amount of years of your life, but rather the 328 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,340 life within their years. 329 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,790 And, you could live a short, chronological life, but that 330 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:58,030 life could feel like millions of years with the experiences 331 00:14:58,030 --> 00:15:01,250 you have and the love that you create and experience. 332 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:05,260 So the other side looks at chronological age and time 333 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:06,740 so differently than we do. 334 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,590 But also to your question, I also, when my body was on the 335 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:13,790 ground and people surrounded me and were calling my name, 336 00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:17,090 I was able to see them and hear them, but they weren't 337 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:18,250 really able to see me. 338 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:19,470 So I felt myself. 339 00:15:19,860 --> 00:15:21,470 My body was on the ground, but I felt my 340 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:23,030 form next to my body. 341 00:15:23,550 --> 00:15:26,370 And so I was also able to see their guides that they had, 342 00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:28,960 the people that were with me in the playground that day, 343 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,870 I saw their auric fields, and then all of a sudden I look 344 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:36,660 up and there were, I couldn't tell you like how many, 345 00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:39,240 there was just an infinite amount of angels that were 346 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:41,620 floating right in front of me. 347 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:44,180 And they were just overlaying the playground. 348 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:46,220 And these angels were different than 349 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:47,110 the spirit guides. 350 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:49,940 They were very young and youthful, but they were 351 00:15:49,940 --> 00:15:52,510 like a gold and bronze color, and I could hear 352 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:56,720 their sound and their songs, emanating from them different 353 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,550 than the spirit guides. 354 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:59,460 Those spirit guides were very focused, they 355 00:15:59,460 --> 00:16:00,680 were micro focused. 356 00:16:01,070 --> 00:16:03,220 The angels, they were very uniformal. 357 00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:06,540 They weren't distinct in their presentation that I saw they 358 00:16:06,540 --> 00:16:08,540 were just almost identical. 359 00:16:09,095 --> 00:16:11,105 And what they were connected to, which is 360 00:16:11,115 --> 00:16:14,935 unconditional love and just sending healing, love. 361 00:16:15,245 --> 00:16:17,845 And they were just almost like God's minions, if you will. 362 00:16:17,885 --> 00:16:19,725 They were just there to just send healing. 363 00:16:20,175 --> 00:16:22,195 And so I was looking at them, but they weren't 364 00:16:22,245 --> 00:16:23,105 really looking at me. 365 00:16:23,105 --> 00:16:24,895 They were just looking in the distance and there was 366 00:16:24,895 --> 00:16:28,525 no individual characteristics other than just to give and 367 00:16:28,545 --> 00:16:29,685 send unconditional love. 368 00:16:29,685 --> 00:16:32,455 And to be honest with you, Rod, I almost just had to 369 00:16:32,455 --> 00:16:35,015 pinch myself because they're just right in front of me. 370 00:16:35,415 --> 00:16:38,325 This thin veil separating this reality and the other 371 00:16:38,325 --> 00:16:40,015 side is so gossamer thin. 372 00:16:40,015 --> 00:16:43,645 I can't describe how thin the separation is, but 373 00:16:43,675 --> 00:16:46,445 angels are among us and around us at all times. 374 00:16:46,935 --> 00:16:49,685 We just sometimes don't see them, but they are here 375 00:16:49,685 --> 00:16:53,745 right now around all of us overlaying this reality. 376 00:16:54,745 --> 00:16:55,305 Rod Bland: Interesting. 377 00:16:55,555 --> 00:16:57,375 So I guess when you're three, there's not much of 378 00:16:57,375 --> 00:16:58,445 a life to review, right? 379 00:16:58,445 --> 00:16:59,925 Which is a fairly common component of 380 00:16:59,925 --> 00:17:00,965 near death experiences. 381 00:17:01,425 --> 00:17:04,345 But it sounds like you spent more time on your past 382 00:17:04,455 --> 00:17:06,085 lives, your past experiences. 383 00:17:06,225 --> 00:17:07,335 And how did that come about? 384 00:17:07,335 --> 00:17:09,275 Was that something that you wanted to see or was it 385 00:17:09,275 --> 00:17:10,315 something that you were shown? 386 00:17:10,925 --> 00:17:11,815 Was there some purpose 387 00:17:11,910 --> 00:17:13,550 Jacob Cooper: To be clear, I was still able 388 00:17:13,550 --> 00:17:16,700 to really feel the depth and vastness of my life. 389 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,740 Like I said before, I know it's, yeah, 390 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:20,280 there's really, there's. 391 00:17:20,445 --> 00:17:22,415 It's still a great deal of depth of life that I 392 00:17:22,415 --> 00:17:25,785 even had, even as a young three year old but the 393 00:17:25,785 --> 00:17:27,625 past lives just came to me. 394 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:31,065 I just remembered, one particular lifetime that 395 00:17:31,075 --> 00:17:34,935 really, was in parallel with my near death experience, 396 00:17:35,185 --> 00:17:37,895 and that was a life in which I crossed over due 397 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:39,885 to a death by suicide. 398 00:17:39,895 --> 00:17:43,745 I remembered in that lifetime, my back was against the wall. 399 00:17:43,755 --> 00:17:44,825 There was no hope. 400 00:17:44,845 --> 00:17:47,165 I just didn't see anything possibly working out. 401 00:17:47,165 --> 00:17:50,075 And I just felt that same suffocating feeling 402 00:17:50,075 --> 00:17:52,865 that I had in my NDE, and I made that decision. 403 00:17:52,865 --> 00:17:55,355 And I just remember looking back in it, how 404 00:17:55,395 --> 00:17:59,715 clearly my NDE is related to that last lifetime. 405 00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:03,180 And how those similar sensations that I was 406 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:07,050 feeling of suffocation, deprivation of life, lack 407 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:10,990 of hope, I was experiencing that again in my NDE, and 408 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:12,480 then it was different. 409 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:15,090 I was able to have a different move on the chessboard 410 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,480 where I was able to let go. 411 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,210 And from looking at the depths of darkness of the abyss 412 00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:24,170 of the human experience, I was able to transcend that 413 00:18:24,170 --> 00:18:27,440 by simply surrendering to the light within myself 414 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,830 that was always within me. 415 00:18:29,370 --> 00:18:32,150 And, that has informed the work that I do as a 416 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:35,250 psychotherapist and author and public speaker is just 417 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:39,090 to remind people the value of surrendering and letting 418 00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:42,630 go to the light of eternity when darkness comes to you 419 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:45,900 and how pivotal it is to really surrender to all 420 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,300 that's around you inside of you, and that could help to 421 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:51,740 transcend moments where you feel suffocated by life. 422 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,880 And I am living proof of that. 423 00:18:53,890 --> 00:18:56,350 But I just remember just getting very emotional about 424 00:18:56,350 --> 00:18:59,360 seeing, students that I taught in that lifetime and 425 00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:02,990 reconnecting with them but I saw myself also spanning 426 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:06,340 the globe and having all kinds of different past life 427 00:19:06,370 --> 00:19:08,420 memories that I have, but this lifetime was the one 428 00:19:08,420 --> 00:19:09,580 that most stuck with me. 429 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:12,780 Now people could say, oh, this is just a trauma response, 430 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:16,160 you're making this up, stuff like that, but before I ever 431 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,380 became public in my near death experience, I went 432 00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:23,280 to an intuitive in my later teens, and the intuitive 433 00:19:23,815 --> 00:19:28,595 Picked up exactly what I saw verbatim in my past life in 434 00:19:28,595 --> 00:19:29,865 which I took my own life. 435 00:19:29,895 --> 00:19:32,375 And, she was able to really deliver a lot 436 00:19:32,375 --> 00:19:34,345 of evidential readings. 437 00:19:34,405 --> 00:19:36,305 And she didn't know a thing about me. 438 00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:37,615 I was a complete stranger. 439 00:19:37,615 --> 00:19:39,075 There was no public profile. 440 00:19:39,075 --> 00:19:41,135 I didn't have a single interview at 441 00:19:41,135 --> 00:19:42,045 the time, nothing. 442 00:19:42,065 --> 00:19:44,235 And so it was just validation that I needed 443 00:19:44,655 --> 00:19:45,745 that this was real. 444 00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:48,030 And since that point, as a kid, I kept on getting 445 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:50,760 a lot of nightmares, from that past life. 446 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,360 But, my life was really about healing that and 447 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,490 really remembering that I moved on and, I'm okay. 448 00:19:56,490 --> 00:20:00,150 And from completion, we begin, and I'm really completing a 449 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:02,750 lot of that karma from that lifetime in this lifetime. 450 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:06,470 Rod Bland: So was there a process or was there some sort 451 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:07,790 of interaction that occurred? 452 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,480 For some people there's a point of going forward and 453 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,740 there's a point of going back. 454 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:12,920 How did that work out? 455 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,610 Jacob Cooper: There's a point of going forward 456 00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:16,860 or I'm just I'm trying 457 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:17,670 Rod Bland: I'll ask that again. 458 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:20,430 So in other guests that I've interviewed during 459 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:22,770 their NDE there's a point that they reach 460 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,600 where they have a choice. 461 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,170 They can either stay where they are or they can go back 462 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:29,020 Jacob Cooper: Oh, I see. 463 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:29,490 Yes. 464 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:29,920 Yes. 465 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,480 Rod Bland: Talk about that for us. 466 00:20:32,135 --> 00:20:33,545 Jacob Cooper: Oh, that's a great question, Rod. 467 00:20:33,545 --> 00:20:35,275 Thank you for clarifying. 468 00:20:35,705 --> 00:20:38,895 Yeah, I decided, to really ask that question because 469 00:20:38,955 --> 00:20:43,755 it was given to me and I was not sure as to what to do. 470 00:20:43,795 --> 00:20:45,765 It was the most difficult question that I was faced 471 00:20:45,765 --> 00:20:47,285 in my life to this day. 472 00:20:47,595 --> 00:20:50,005 Spirit posed a question, what will you do, Jacob? 473 00:20:50,055 --> 00:20:52,625 And I'm just saying my name, will you stay with 474 00:20:52,725 --> 00:20:54,695 us on the other side or will you continue? 475 00:20:54,695 --> 00:20:55,135 And I just. 476 00:20:55,565 --> 00:20:56,505 I didn't know what to do. 477 00:20:56,505 --> 00:20:58,825 It was so beautiful being there, in the 478 00:20:58,825 --> 00:21:01,725 light realm on the other side, and I had no clue. 479 00:21:02,235 --> 00:21:05,185 And I just said, if I stayed, what will this life be like? 480 00:21:05,185 --> 00:21:06,115 What will I look like? 481 00:21:06,155 --> 00:21:07,615 What would this story look like if I 482 00:21:07,615 --> 00:21:08,835 continued writing it? 483 00:21:08,945 --> 00:21:10,575 I just didn't know what I would look like. 484 00:21:10,945 --> 00:21:12,355 What would I do in this life? 485 00:21:12,395 --> 00:21:14,125 It just felt like an unwritten story and 486 00:21:14,165 --> 00:21:15,795 unfinished, business. 487 00:21:15,805 --> 00:21:18,115 And it was just felt incomplete to a degree, this 488 00:21:18,205 --> 00:21:21,555 journey, and they showed myself speaking in front of, 489 00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:25,715 tons of people and just giving over, this exact message and 490 00:21:25,895 --> 00:21:28,945 seeing the transformation of people right in front of me. 491 00:21:29,295 --> 00:21:31,725 And I just remembered thinking, wow, the other side 492 00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:34,035 will always be there, but this unique window to give 493 00:21:34,035 --> 00:21:37,195 over, this information to other people is really about 494 00:21:37,745 --> 00:21:40,635 what we're all here to do, which is to deliver a piece 495 00:21:40,635 --> 00:21:44,405 of heaven here on earth, as we are all literal fragments 496 00:21:44,405 --> 00:21:45,835 of heaven here on earth. 497 00:21:45,865 --> 00:21:48,105 And we're here to personify that, to remember that. 498 00:21:48,105 --> 00:21:50,795 And so that's what I think near death experiencers are 499 00:21:50,795 --> 00:21:54,085 here for, to remind people, of the heaven on earth 500 00:21:54,085 --> 00:21:57,885 experience, but also, A, we don't die, but also heaven 501 00:21:57,985 --> 00:22:00,950 could be experienced right here through just connecting 502 00:22:00,950 --> 00:22:04,930 to it, remembering it, and, not waiting to lose our breath 503 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,620 to gain it back, that we really could exhale and live 504 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:11,960 in that, heaven awareness in this body, in this lifetime. 505 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:14,030 Rod Bland: It sounds like you were given a picture of 506 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:15,510 what's available, like your 507 00:22:15,525 --> 00:22:16,805 Jacob Cooper: Premonition, yeah. 508 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:19,610 Rod Bland: And then, and from there you then made 509 00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:22,590 more of an informed decision, which was, I like what you 510 00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:26,710 said about how heaven will always be here, but this 511 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:28,930 experience that that's the one that you get and 512 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:30,920 that's, but that particular one, that's really good. 513 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:33,510 So you decided, okay, I'm going to, I'm 514 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:34,350 going to go back and, 515 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:37,580 Jacob Cooper: I made that decision, but yeah, right 516 00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:40,160 after I'm like, Oh my God, what did I just do? 517 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:42,990 And, to turn down heaven is a big deal. 518 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:46,270 It just, it looks very good when you're over there. 519 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,240 It looks a lot easier. 520 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,360 And then all of a sudden you come back to this reality. 521 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:53,290 And it's a lot different of a viewpoint when you're here. 522 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,450 And I just really wasn't certain about my decision. 523 00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:57,430 I had regrets. 524 00:22:58,205 --> 00:23:00,815 I've just felt my guides with me and just seeing 525 00:23:01,175 --> 00:23:03,875 the message of trust that there's a divine plan in 526 00:23:03,875 --> 00:23:05,135 each and every one of us. 527 00:23:05,475 --> 00:23:08,920 The divine intelligence that created us has a plan and the 528 00:23:08,925 --> 00:23:12,080 value of trusting that, and we all have a blueprint in 529 00:23:12,085 --> 00:23:15,980 this life and just trusting that and to really let go of 530 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:20,060 your doubts and to trust your thoughts, of how when your 531 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:22,100 thoughts are in alignment with spirit, you could go 532 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,920 through grace and ease and really trust this plan, or 533 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,960 when you doubt it, you doubt your power, you could live a 534 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:31,280 much, much smaller version of yourself because you listen to 535 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,340 your doubts versus the faith inside of you that forever is 536 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,350 connected to you, a God that believes in your path and all 537 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:42,400 the angels that help to curate this life that you're living. 538 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,730 Rod Bland: and who did you talk to about your 539 00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:47,530 experience after you woke up in the hospital? 540 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,260 Did you try to talk to people straight away and what was 541 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:50,250 the general reaction like? 542 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,140 Jacob Cooper: No. 543 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:53,310 I'm amazed that yeah. 544 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:56,610 Anyone after their near death experience has the 545 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:58,360 capacity to talk about it. 546 00:23:58,450 --> 00:24:00,850 I'm not downing it, shunning it. 547 00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:04,250 I just, as a therapist to this day, I think you go 548 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:06,420 one of two ways, but at least from my perspective, 549 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:10,130 it was so beyond the confines of human language. 550 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Combine that, the fact that I was just three 551 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,860 years old, and I had a limited English vocabulary. 552 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:17,460 Words do just not do justice. 553 00:24:17,785 --> 00:24:21,355 But I'm learning to put the pieces of the puzzle more so 554 00:24:21,355 --> 00:24:23,525 together now more than ever. 555 00:24:23,555 --> 00:24:26,385 And I come from a like a religious background. 556 00:24:26,395 --> 00:24:29,675 So my parents are more into religion than they are this 557 00:24:29,695 --> 00:24:31,145 kind of like spirituality. 558 00:24:31,625 --> 00:24:35,155 But my father is also a therapist, came to me within 559 00:24:35,155 --> 00:24:36,225 the last year or two ago. 560 00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:40,030 And he said, when you had This experience, a couple 561 00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:42,890 of years after it, you told me, and I'm just using my 562 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:46,080 language right now, just, it's hard to, quote directly. 563 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:48,040 But I'm paraphrasing my own self. 564 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,730 I said, Hey dad, something happened in that day. 565 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:53,410 One day it will make sense to you, but right now it won't. 566 00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:55,759 I don't have the words to really describe it, 567 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,300 but something profound happened on that day. 568 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,650 And one day it will all make sense to you. 569 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,680 And so that really gave me a lot of validation. 570 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,900 And my dad has never wanted to stretch anything. 571 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,880 It's like what you see is what you get and hearing that 572 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,060 gave me a lot of strength and validation, but also 573 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:16,120 just put me back in that, position where I had to 574 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,580 keep this close to my heart. 575 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:19,490 The world around me was not ready for it. 576 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:22,850 I remembered after my near death experience, I was back 577 00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:27,560 in preschool and my whole life changed from that day forward. 578 00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:30,260 Once I got back to school and I was discharged from 579 00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:33,990 inpatient, the hospital due to pertussis, I remember just 580 00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:37,620 sitting in my classroom and feeling this thin sliver of 581 00:25:37,650 --> 00:25:39,230 light going into my brain. 582 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,250 And I knew from the trauma of my brain that my brain 583 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:45,710 was cracked wide open and I could connect to the spirit 584 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,930 realm on a regular basis. 585 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,980 And so I would just go to the bathroom just to 586 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:53,360 really connect to the other side and cross over. 587 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,190 And at hand I could go there whenever I really wanted 588 00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:57,480 to, to the higher realms. 589 00:25:58,010 --> 00:26:01,200 And also I remember being able to see things so clearly 590 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,300 from the spirit realm. 591 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:04,320 from having this near death experience. 592 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,580 And I just remember one example that I don't 593 00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:08,680 remember too much from my childhood other than 594 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,750 spiritual experiences, because those seem to stick. 595 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,850 They're beyond this reality and the confines of the 596 00:26:14,860 --> 00:26:17,120 brain, because they're not created from the brain. 597 00:26:17,130 --> 00:26:19,340 They're, experienced from a much higher dimension. 598 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:22,710 But I looked at a classmate and I say, wow, do you see 599 00:26:23,170 --> 00:26:25,540 this totem flying around the room and I was connecting 600 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:28,820 to loved ones and the class, the classmate looked at 601 00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:31,370 me like I was like smoking some type of crack pipe or 602 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:34,420 something like, he was like, what is wrong with you? 603 00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:35,720 I don't see what you're going through. 604 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,150 And again, it just reminded me it was a very isolating 605 00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:41,430 feeling where I just felt so alienated, so alone. 606 00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:44,150 And so I kept it close to my heart. 607 00:26:44,190 --> 00:26:48,270 I kept it very close to my chest, but I saw things. 608 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,360 New things hurt things, throughout my childhood, 609 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,180 looking back in it, that, just did not make sense. 610 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:57,510 And this intuition that I had was more of a nuisance. 611 00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:59,690 I was just like, I just want to live my normal life, 612 00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:02,880 but I would just see things come to pass, before they 613 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,940 happened, that would happen. 614 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:05,950 I just I just wanted to bury it away and just 615 00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:07,510 fit in and be normal. 616 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:10,790 It wasn't until a lot of different experiences that 617 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:13,440 happened in my teenage years that really allowed 618 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,450 me to take ownership. 619 00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:17,190 But one of the things that really changed my life was 620 00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:21,280 getting a book gifted by an author named Betty Ady, who 621 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,700 wrote a book called Embraced by the Light, which is about 622 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:25,030 her near death experience. 623 00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:29,145 And when I was gifted that book, it just blew my brain 624 00:27:29,145 --> 00:27:31,985 because here I was thinking I was the only one on the 625 00:27:31,985 --> 00:27:33,895 planet that had this thing. 626 00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,715 Then again, there was like a term for it and there was 627 00:27:36,725 --> 00:27:40,195 other people who had this and it was on one hand very 628 00:27:40,195 --> 00:27:42,405 cathartic, the other hand frustrating because I thought 629 00:27:42,405 --> 00:27:45,155 I was so special and so unique and all these other people 630 00:27:45,155 --> 00:27:46,595 are having these things. 631 00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:48,665 So it was like a little deflating in a way, 632 00:27:48,665 --> 00:27:51,285 but also uplifting at the same time too. 633 00:27:51,785 --> 00:27:54,335 That got me on my quest to really process this 634 00:27:54,345 --> 00:27:56,755 with other people and to feel more comfortable 635 00:27:56,755 --> 00:27:58,085 and confident to do so. 636 00:27:58,135 --> 00:28:00,765 Rod Bland: right, and did you ever reach a stage 637 00:28:00,785 --> 00:28:03,945 where you're like, okay, I'm just, I just want 638 00:28:03,945 --> 00:28:05,005 to be a normal person. 639 00:28:05,115 --> 00:28:07,635 I don't want to remember this and can we just turn 640 00:28:07,635 --> 00:28:08,715 the switch off for a while? 641 00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:09,665 Did you ever feel that way? 642 00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:12,410 Jacob Cooper: I tried, but you ever go to a pool and just 643 00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:15,060 try to put a beach ball down on the bottom of the pool. 644 00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:16,460 It just eventually pops up. 645 00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:20,230 So no matter what I tried and do, my intuition 646 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,540 was always popping up. 647 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,940 And to this day, like I saw things back as a kid that 648 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:27,690 are coming true, in crazy ways, and not always good 649 00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:29,880 things some difficult things. 650 00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:33,940 I remembered, just being teased by this one kid, 651 00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:37,390 and then eventually right when that happened, and 652 00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:39,980 then I saw that this kid is going to die, cross 653 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:41,990 over in a couple of years, and I saw his whole death. 654 00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:45,100 And I was driving my car early in the morning and 655 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,110 that morning on the road that I was driving to, 656 00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:48,500 the whole road was closed. 657 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,010 And I was like, what the heck is going on? 658 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:52,840 It's just like a random road on my commute to work. 659 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,770 Then a couple of hours later, I found out that I 660 00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:58,600 was a kid who passed away driving, through a ramp. 661 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,020 And I was right there a couple hours after on this random 662 00:29:02,020 --> 00:29:03,610 road right after he passed. 663 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:05,680 So it's just like things like that, just I was 664 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,750 right there that morning driving in the car. 665 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:10,675 And I saw him a decade before that, just crossing over. 666 00:29:10,675 --> 00:29:12,215 So stuff like that would happen. 667 00:29:12,215 --> 00:29:14,415 It's just, it freaked me out because they didn't 668 00:29:14,415 --> 00:29:15,135 have a term for it. 669 00:29:15,135 --> 00:29:16,705 It's not like I said, Oh, this is psychic. 670 00:29:16,705 --> 00:29:17,505 This is intuition. 671 00:29:17,505 --> 00:29:19,685 I said, this is annoying and leave me alone. 672 00:29:19,685 --> 00:29:21,255 Just, I want to play basketball and 673 00:29:21,255 --> 00:29:23,145 sports and be a kid. 674 00:29:23,155 --> 00:29:25,915 But, once I was able to really identify it. 675 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,600 As this kind of thing and take away the stigma and understand 676 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,560 that other people had this was really, liberating to myself. 677 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:38,130 But, in one sense it was just annoying, but once I embraced 678 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:42,370 it as a gift and not a curse, was then it was perceived 679 00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:43,810 and embodied as such. 680 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,590 Rod Bland: And do you connect with guides or the angels 681 00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:49,810 that you saw when you first crossed over as a part of your 682 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:50,940 everyday life now as well? 683 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:52,580 Jacob Cooper: They're there. 684 00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:55,980 Not as full blown, right directly in front of me in my 685 00:29:55,980 --> 00:30:01,130 NDE that I had, to be honest, like I, I wish I go back to 686 00:30:01,130 --> 00:30:03,880 those moments in memory all the time, and I'm there, 687 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,390 but there's a homesickness that I have, like many near 688 00:30:06,390 --> 00:30:08,260 death experiences have, and there's a part of me 689 00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:09,870 that just wants to go back. 690 00:30:09,945 --> 00:30:12,415 back there, not so much for what was there, 691 00:30:12,415 --> 00:30:13,735 but just the feeling. 692 00:30:13,825 --> 00:30:17,085 You could get high as anything and I've tried marijuana 693 00:30:17,095 --> 00:30:20,305 before and stuff like that, but geez, nothing compares 694 00:30:20,325 --> 00:30:23,665 to how high you can get while you're over there. 695 00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:27,035 But I found, throughout my life through doing a lot of 696 00:30:27,145 --> 00:30:31,085 inner work and connection through meditation, exercise, 697 00:30:31,085 --> 00:30:33,895 taking pristine care of my health as much as I can. 698 00:30:34,515 --> 00:30:38,610 I could feel droplets of that at times, and, in... 699 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,170 Hard to get into, but in my early twenties, I had a 700 00:30:42,410 --> 00:30:46,180 out of body experience that lasted several weeks, again, 701 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,280 the month of September. 702 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,060 And that felt quite possibly better than my near death 703 00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:52,390 experience in many ways. 704 00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:55,140 And it's very affirmative in my adult years that this 705 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,120 wasn't just something, that happened as a kid and I 706 00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:00,710 could push it away because I'm my own biggest skeptic, 707 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,630 but you know, what I was tapping into was real. 708 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:06,560 And I think this is all inside of us. 709 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,040 It's just really connecting to that pure source energetically 710 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,520 and removing a lot of the barriers that we could have 711 00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:16,640 on the emotional level, the psychological level and 712 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,270 physical level, to this. 713 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:20,260 But when you burn away all those things. 714 00:31:20,585 --> 00:31:22,525 That's that pure connection that we all have. 715 00:31:22,535 --> 00:31:23,715 We're all divine sparks. 716 00:31:23,775 --> 00:31:25,715 I connect to my guides on a regular basis. 717 00:31:25,715 --> 00:31:28,495 They've helped me write both of my books behind me, 718 00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:30,725 Life After Breath and The Wisdom of Jacob's Ladder. 719 00:31:30,725 --> 00:31:34,775 But, in moments where my life is like difficult, I feel 720 00:31:34,775 --> 00:31:37,955 them very strongly and they send powerful messages to me, 721 00:31:38,405 --> 00:31:39,345 and they're there with me. 722 00:31:39,355 --> 00:31:41,335 And I feel them, throughout time. 723 00:31:41,335 --> 00:31:44,735 I just remembered one instance, particularly when 724 00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:47,905 there was a principal who was talking over a megaphone 725 00:31:48,405 --> 00:31:51,065 and he said, whoever's talking, this is in front 726 00:31:51,065 --> 00:31:53,845 of the entire school, middle school and high school, 727 00:31:54,165 --> 00:31:56,575 we were out on a field, he said, whoever's talking, 728 00:31:56,975 --> 00:31:59,495 I'm going to call them out and they're going to leave. 729 00:31:59,505 --> 00:32:02,655 And I was not talking, but he, I guess I had a baseball 730 00:32:02,655 --> 00:32:05,025 mitt by my mouth and he screamed my name to the top 731 00:32:05,025 --> 00:32:07,055 of his lungs over a megaphone. 732 00:32:07,535 --> 00:32:10,985 And I had to walk in front of the whole school and I was 733 00:32:11,285 --> 00:32:12,605 very overweight at the time. 734 00:32:12,605 --> 00:32:13,585 It was embarrassing. 735 00:32:13,585 --> 00:32:14,725 And everyone was looking at me. 736 00:32:15,305 --> 00:32:18,085 And that moment I felt both of my guardian angels with 737 00:32:18,085 --> 00:32:20,865 me and they were there very strongly just telling me like, 738 00:32:20,925 --> 00:32:22,885 this is just a blip in time. 739 00:32:22,885 --> 00:32:23,775 It's going to pass. 740 00:32:23,835 --> 00:32:27,515 Like everything passes, even the most painful traumatic 741 00:32:27,515 --> 00:32:30,935 moments of your life, just trust us and it will be okay. 742 00:32:31,445 --> 00:32:33,505 And that moment, the principal Met with me. 743 00:32:33,505 --> 00:32:35,385 He was expecting me to probably curse him out 744 00:32:35,385 --> 00:32:36,075 or stuff like that. 745 00:32:36,075 --> 00:32:38,635 And I was just like, smiling, like all good, dude. 746 00:32:38,685 --> 00:32:40,195 And people are coming to me. 747 00:32:40,195 --> 00:32:43,935 But again, it just reminds you that pain is so temporary. 748 00:32:44,235 --> 00:32:47,455 It comes and goes and just trust in what outlasts 749 00:32:47,475 --> 00:32:50,985 pain, which is love, which is our eternity. 750 00:32:51,365 --> 00:32:54,000 And that allowed me to transcend that moment and many 751 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,860 other moments of my life where I just remembered what was 752 00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:59,680 real, what lasts, and what is just a temporary experience 753 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,860 of this life, which is a temporary experience itself. 754 00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:05,250 Rod Bland: So I have one final question for you. 755 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:06,930 You mentioned the out of body experience. 756 00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:08,020 I don't know if I heard you correctly there. 757 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:09,860 Did you say for two to three weeks? 758 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,380 Jacob Cooper: Yeah, you could they, I am in 759 00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:16,430 the works of talking to producers about my NDE, 760 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,430 and including the OBE, but. 761 00:33:19,025 --> 00:33:22,015 I literally woke up, one day and I was 762 00:33:22,035 --> 00:33:23,415 looking down on my body. 763 00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:25,495 It was the craziest thing. 764 00:33:25,495 --> 00:33:27,855 And that lasted for three weeks, but I think really 765 00:33:27,855 --> 00:33:30,555 what started it, I work in the mental health field. 766 00:33:30,555 --> 00:33:34,085 I could tell what a manic experiences of a bipolar 767 00:33:34,085 --> 00:33:37,165 experiences or a psychotic experiences, but this. 768 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:39,030 Was it a psychic experience? 769 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:41,550 It wasn't a psychotic experience, but essentially 770 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:45,370 I just remembered myself just laughing hysterically 771 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:49,350 at how seriously we take all these things in reality in 772 00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:53,850 this life, and I just looked at the illusion and just the 773 00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:56,720 facade of the things that we think that are real, that 774 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,245 are just a farce, they're not real, but we identify them. 775 00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:01,785 We take everything so seriously. 776 00:34:01,845 --> 00:34:04,815 And I was just laughing hysterically to where every 777 00:34:04,835 --> 00:34:07,735 part of my body was like a wet towel and just wrung out 778 00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:11,015 all the pain, all the stress, all the sadness that I ever 779 00:34:11,015 --> 00:34:12,685 held onto in this lifetime. 780 00:34:13,055 --> 00:34:15,865 And I woke up the next day completely out of my body. 781 00:34:15,865 --> 00:34:16,605 And I just was. 782 00:34:17,605 --> 00:34:18,695 like flabbergasted. 783 00:34:18,695 --> 00:34:20,995 I was like, my body's here and I'm over there. 784 00:34:21,515 --> 00:34:25,605 And I just could feel myself like using my vocal cords, 785 00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:27,605 talking through my own gut. 786 00:34:27,655 --> 00:34:30,705 Like I was over here, but my body was here and that 787 00:34:30,705 --> 00:34:32,965 lasted for several weeks. 788 00:34:33,005 --> 00:34:36,920 And I just remembered myself sitting in a temple, 789 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,740 at the time of September, the Jewish high holiday, 790 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:43,960 and just felt myself, flying outside my body. 791 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,740 And I could feel wings of my animal totem with me. 792 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,790 And it was so profound. 793 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,130 And I saw myself looking over all the congregants. 794 00:34:52,555 --> 00:34:55,605 But I saw this one strand of energy that connected every 795 00:34:55,605 --> 00:34:58,905 single participant, but I also saw how people were just 796 00:34:58,915 --> 00:35:01,305 in their own minds, in their own boxes, and they weren't 797 00:35:01,665 --> 00:35:03,885 connected to their energy and the energy of others. 798 00:35:03,885 --> 00:35:06,905 And I've read before, we are one, all this kind of 799 00:35:06,915 --> 00:35:08,285 stuff, and it sounds great. 800 00:35:08,285 --> 00:35:11,425 But when you see it directly in front of you, the one 801 00:35:11,425 --> 00:35:15,005 strand of energy that connects all of humanity, and you 802 00:35:15,005 --> 00:35:17,965 see it in front of you it's undeniable that, yes, we are 803 00:35:18,065 --> 00:35:21,445 all from the same source, connected to the same source. 804 00:35:21,785 --> 00:35:25,235 Despite, our forgetfulness, we could think we are 805 00:35:25,655 --> 00:35:27,945 what we are, but that does not change the ultimate 806 00:35:27,955 --> 00:35:30,565 reality of oneness that we're connected to. 807 00:35:30,565 --> 00:35:34,335 And yeah, no, that experience stays with me to this day 808 00:35:34,335 --> 00:35:37,475 and it was just a complete energetic explosion where 809 00:35:38,475 --> 00:35:41,175 I felt just those same feelings that I had in my 810 00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:42,935 NDE, 20 years later about. 811 00:35:43,505 --> 00:35:46,715 And without having anything traumatic or, it's that 812 00:35:46,715 --> 00:35:47,885 to me blows me away more. 813 00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:49,635 You can't say, Oh, you're hallucinating. 814 00:35:49,635 --> 00:35:51,285 You're, I wasn't on any drugs, nothing. 815 00:35:51,295 --> 00:35:53,545 It was just it was perfectly clean. 816 00:35:53,545 --> 00:35:55,795 I was a fit athlete to this day. 817 00:35:55,795 --> 00:36:00,045 And just by letting go much like I had in my NDE and 818 00:36:00,045 --> 00:36:03,225 looking past the illusion of suffering, much like I 819 00:36:03,235 --> 00:36:06,255 had in my NDE, I had that in my OB, by looking at it 820 00:36:06,255 --> 00:36:10,565 directly, the illusion of this experience rising above it. 821 00:36:11,045 --> 00:36:13,285 Was when I was able to transcend this reality. 822 00:36:13,285 --> 00:36:15,465 Remember that I was a spiritual being having 823 00:36:15,465 --> 00:36:16,715 this human experience. 824 00:36:17,195 --> 00:36:19,565 Rod Bland: So it sounds almost like you were bi located 825 00:36:19,625 --> 00:36:21,725 because my first impression was you're laid on a couch and 826 00:36:21,725 --> 00:36:22,895 you were there for two weeks. 827 00:36:22,895 --> 00:36:23,655 How's that possible? 828 00:36:23,675 --> 00:36:26,715 But it's like you had your you had your awareness of 829 00:36:26,715 --> 00:36:29,205 your being your body, but also you had this other awareness. 830 00:36:29,225 --> 00:36:31,415 Is that, does that describe that accurately? 831 00:36:31,605 --> 00:36:35,055 Jacob Cooper: In a way, but yes, I was felt my soul, 832 00:36:35,055 --> 00:36:38,625 like outside of my body, for several weeks where I was 833 00:36:38,625 --> 00:36:40,225 just looking down on myself. 834 00:36:40,275 --> 00:36:41,585 And I didn't have an NDE. 835 00:36:41,615 --> 00:36:46,840 This was an OBE, so under the umbrellas of NDEs are sTs 836 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:50,390 STs, Spiritual Transformative Experiences, out of body 837 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:53,150 experience phenomena, which I had, but you could have 838 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:54,700 an OBE without an NDE. 839 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,480 And I had that for a prolonged period of time. 840 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080 At times I felt more grounded, at times when I 841 00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:03,720 was really able to connect, I felt myself just totally 842 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,470 elevated looking down at my body, throughout the day. 843 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:09,350 So I somehow managed to have a 4. 844 00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:10,610 0 in college that year. 845 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,800 I don't know how that's possible, it just 846 00:37:12,850 --> 00:37:13,650 it all worked out, 847 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:14,260 Rod Bland: Amazing. 848 00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:15,380 Jacob Cooper: but people look at me. 849 00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:17,160 They're like, you're laughing hysterically. 850 00:37:17,590 --> 00:37:20,130 And I lost 10 to 15 pounds during that time. 851 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:23,920 It's just I didn't have an attachment to this reality. 852 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,080 Like nothing of this reality brought me something that 853 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,210 I didn't already have. 854 00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:31,400 And we use this things to get to a certain destination, but. 855 00:37:31,595 --> 00:37:33,095 The destination was already there. 856 00:37:33,095 --> 00:37:34,795 I didn't need the routes, it was already there. 857 00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:36,235 Rod Bland: All right. 858 00:37:36,325 --> 00:37:37,325 How about you tell us what you've got 859 00:37:37,325 --> 00:37:38,155 going on there, Jacob. 860 00:37:38,155 --> 00:37:40,345 So tell us about your books and the other work that you 861 00:37:40,345 --> 00:37:42,355 do and how people can get in touch if they want to. 862 00:37:43,355 --> 00:37:43,975 Jacob Cooper: Oh, sure. 863 00:37:44,015 --> 00:37:45,915 I have my own platform right now. 864 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:47,455 The Wisdom of Jacobs Ladder. 865 00:37:47,715 --> 00:37:50,225 It's available on YouTube and many other platforms. 866 00:37:50,225 --> 00:37:52,065 So I have that, going on. 867 00:37:52,405 --> 00:37:55,365 And I mentioned my two books, Life After Breath and the 868 00:37:55,365 --> 00:37:58,635 Wisdom of Jacobs Ladder, both available through Amazon. 869 00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,020 I have a website, jacoblcooper. 870 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,490 com, and I speak internationally, to 871 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,300 different groups. 872 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:06,340 I talk from a mental health perspective 873 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:09,500 as also, a spiritual perspective as well, too. 874 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:12,630 So I work with mental health groups, I provide continuing 875 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:15,990 educational training as well for, therapists. 876 00:38:16,305 --> 00:38:18,035 So I have that coming up in late October. 877 00:38:18,035 --> 00:38:20,455 So all events and stuff like that are on my 878 00:38:20,455 --> 00:38:22,415 website at JacobLCooper. 879 00:38:22,435 --> 00:38:24,845 com, as well as social media links where you can 880 00:38:24,845 --> 00:38:28,105 find my daily insights and reflections, there too. 881 00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:29,340 Rod Bland: Okay. 882 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:29,710 Terrific. 883 00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:32,386 And have you got any last positive message that you 884 00:38:32,386 --> 00:38:33,896 want to leave people with before we wrap it up? 885 00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:35,146 Jacob Cooper: Yeah. 886 00:38:35,146 --> 00:38:37,186 I hope people, took something out of it. 887 00:38:37,206 --> 00:38:40,586 It's important to be a skeptic and not a cynic. 888 00:38:40,586 --> 00:38:44,061 And I know my near death experience poses a lot of 889 00:38:44,081 --> 00:38:46,881 curiosity and hopefully will allow people to look at 890 00:38:46,911 --> 00:38:49,041 life a little differently. 891 00:38:49,201 --> 00:38:50,871 Just the many facets of it. 892 00:38:50,891 --> 00:38:51,661 It's unique. 893 00:38:51,941 --> 00:38:52,791 I'll give it that. 894 00:38:53,111 --> 00:38:55,971 But what I really want for people to remember is, 895 00:38:55,981 --> 00:38:57,201 first of all, we don't die. 896 00:38:57,221 --> 00:38:58,891 We go on beyond this body. 897 00:38:59,301 --> 00:39:01,321 What's important is to live while we live. 898 00:39:01,351 --> 00:39:03,071 Many people are just focused on the end 899 00:39:03,071 --> 00:39:04,731 game and the afterlife. 900 00:39:04,731 --> 00:39:07,641 And certainly the viewpoints of the afterlife can inform 901 00:39:07,641 --> 00:39:10,711 this life in many ways, but it's this life that will 902 00:39:10,711 --> 00:39:12,021 influence our afterlife. 903 00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:16,121 And so we carry many things that we do here, our passions, 904 00:39:16,121 --> 00:39:19,561 our interests, our hobbies, Gifts that we experience is 905 00:39:19,561 --> 00:39:20,781 all a part of our afterlife. 906 00:39:20,781 --> 00:39:24,401 So don't look at the afterlife as just after this life, 907 00:39:24,681 --> 00:39:27,171 is connected to the life that we will live when we 908 00:39:27,171 --> 00:39:29,071 go on beyond this body. 909 00:39:29,081 --> 00:39:31,981 And the important thing is to remember the things that we 910 00:39:32,441 --> 00:39:35,551 could take with us, we can't take the house, the job, the 911 00:39:35,551 --> 00:39:38,671 cars, but we take with us the love that we give, the impact 912 00:39:38,681 --> 00:39:41,911 that we have in the service to humanity that we offer. 913 00:39:41,911 --> 00:39:44,781 So just, I think people to remember the macro focus of 914 00:39:44,781 --> 00:39:48,201 this life and to not get so micro focussed on things that 915 00:39:48,411 --> 00:39:51,621 come and go, to not attach to them, if that makes sense. 916 00:39:52,521 --> 00:39:53,501 Rod Bland: Yeah, that's a great message. 917 00:39:53,531 --> 00:39:54,581 Live while we live. 918 00:39:54,681 --> 00:39:55,311 I like that. 919 00:39:55,571 --> 00:39:56,511 Thanks so much, Jacob. 920 00:39:56,871 --> 00:39:58,351 Jacob Cooper: Death is a given, but life is a 921 00:39:58,351 --> 00:39:59,641 choice while we're here, 922 00:39:59,741 --> 00:40:01,541 Rod Bland: Yeah, look, I appreciate you coming 923 00:40:01,541 --> 00:40:03,421 on the show today and thank you for being my 924 00:40:03,761 --> 00:40:04,121 Jacob Cooper: An honor. 925 00:40:04,121 --> 00:40:04,721 Thank you, Rod. 926 00:40:04,721 --> 00:40:05,641 Keep up the great work. 927 00:40:05,651 --> 00:40:06,121 Thank you.