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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jeff, today we're talking about Paul's friends, because Paul

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<v Speaker 1>had friends.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a bunch of friends, and he's like, howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy,

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<v Speaker 2>howdy howdy to all y'all people. And that's how he

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<v Speaker 2>ends the pay the Book of Romans, which is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of funny. But there's some really neat names in here,

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<v Speaker 2>in some neat circumstances. So he's Chris and I'm Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Man, it's so good to have you today.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice Jeff, it's good to be here. That was going,

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<v Speaker 4>it's such a delight.

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<v Speaker 2>To be together in the studio, and I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're kind of a movie guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I am a little bit of a movie Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, what we do is, we'll do a

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<v Speaker 2>segment called name the movie, and I'm just gonna describe

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<v Speaker 2>it best I can and see if you can know

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<v Speaker 2>what the movie is.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>On my show sheet, which is different than yours, it

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<v Speaker 1>said poor description of movies.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposed to the best description I can give you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's designed to be poorly descripted.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm supposed to be able to guess the

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<v Speaker 1>movie based on a non obvious description.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here it is. You got to guess the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm feeling pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>But Leonardo DiCaprio wanders a frozen wasteland in search of

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<v Speaker 2>an oscar.

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<v Speaker 4>In search of an oscar, Yeah, that's The Revenant.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, unbelievable movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, as I remember, is that he fought a bear. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy learns to love a girl without her Instagram filters.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, a guy learns to love a girl without her

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<v Speaker 4>Instagram filters. That's something I'm totally familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a cartoon.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he'd remotely is a talking donkey Shrek. There

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<v Speaker 4>you go, Instagram filters.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, she's a princess, but then he falls in

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<v Speaker 2>love with her when she actually turns in to an ogre.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember, so Instagram filters wasn't literal.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I guess not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, dude, Okay, who I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>confusing you. Father reunites with long lost son and wants

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<v Speaker 2>him to take over the family business.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a super famous movie star wars.

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<v Speaker 4>That is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember one episode Yeah, well, I mean it would be

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<v Speaker 1>episode five and six six.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>A lunatic in slaves entertainers and slowly kills children in

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<v Speaker 2>front of his parents. Say it again, A lunatic in

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<v Speaker 2>slaves entertainers and slowly kills children in front of their parents.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a family favorite.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this the Hungry Games?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, no, it's a kid's show from when

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<v Speaker 3>you were a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Say it when we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>A lunatic in slaves entertainers and slowly kills children in

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<v Speaker 2>front of their parents. I have no idea Willie Wonka

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<v Speaker 2>in the Chocolate Fact that's Is this a great description?

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<v Speaker 4>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Illegal immigrants chased by the feds.

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<v Speaker 4>Illegal immigrants chased by the feds. That could be a

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<v Speaker 4>thousand legal immigrants chased.

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<v Speaker 3>By the most famous scenes on a bicycle.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh. Et, but they weren't illegal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 2>Well why were the Feds chasing them?

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<v Speaker 4>Because they were? They had et. They broke them out.

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<v Speaker 4>But that doesn't make them immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I'm sorry, I'm just reading what's in front of me, dude.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye, well, you know, maybe perhaps.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know, anyway, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't be Chris angry again, that's right, instagrams are

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I'm not upset about that one as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I have Instagram. Unless there was a scene in Shrek.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did she reference Instagram? I don't know, because that

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<v Speaker 1>would be funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm not sure real seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Shrek was actually so long ago, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, so we should move on. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of interesting things that he says

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times when you get into these passages

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<v Speaker 2>that just have lists, like lots of names and lots

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of a deal. And yet we

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<v Speaker 2>have to remember the Holy Spirit wanted us to know

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<v Speaker 2>these things. The Holy Spirit made sure that these were

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<v Speaker 2>including scripture. So there's some really interesting things in here.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's wrapping it up. This is kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>long goodbye at the end of Romans. This chapter sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a deacon in the church at Centuria. Welcome her

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lord as one who has who is worthy

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<v Speaker 2>of honor among God's people. Help her and whatever she needs,

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<v Speaker 2>for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Give my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila, my coworkers in

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<v Speaker 2>the ministry of Christ Jesus. In fact, they once risk

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<v Speaker 2>their lives for me. I'm thankful to them, and so

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<v Speaker 2>are all the gentile churches.

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<v Speaker 3>Also.

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<v Speaker 2>Give my greetings to the church that meets in their home.

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<v Speaker 2>Greet my dear friend Epinetus. He was the first person

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<v Speaker 2>from the province of Asia to become a follower of Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Give my greetings to Mary, who has worked so hard

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<v Speaker 2>for your benefit. Greet andre Nikas and Junia, my fellow

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<v Speaker 2>Jews who were in prison with me. They're highly respected

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<v Speaker 2>among the Apostles and became followers of Christ before I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Greet Ampiliadis, my dear friend and the lorde Urbanus are

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<v Speaker 2>co worker in Christ. And my dear friends Steakies. Greet Apelles,

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<v Speaker 2>a good man whom Christ approves, and give my greetings

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<v Speaker 2>to the believers from the household of Aristobulus.

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<v Speaker 3>Greet Herodian. By the way, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Noticed I'm number one reading all these crazy names. Aristotleus.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those This is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>days where I'm just extremely rad at you because you're

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<v Speaker 1>killing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude, where do you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Greet Herodian, my fellow jew. Greet the Lord's people from

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<v Speaker 2>the household of Narcissus. Oh, you should have read that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Give my greetings to Tripeda and Triphosis, the Lord's workers,

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<v Speaker 2>and too, dear Persis, who has worked so hard for

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord. Greet Rufus, who names your kid Rufus. These

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<v Speaker 2>are hysteric. I love Bible names. Greet Rufus, whom the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord picked out to be his very own, and also

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<v Speaker 2>his dear mother who's been a mother to me. Give

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<v Speaker 2>my greetings to asking Cretus, fledge On Hermes, Patrobus, Hermas,

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<v Speaker 2>and the brothers and sisters who meet with them. Give

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<v Speaker 2>my greetings to Philologus, juliets Narius and his sister into Olympus,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the believers who meet with them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are sitting on the edge of their seat right now,

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<v Speaker 2>just saying read another one, Jeff. Greet each other in

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<v Speaker 2>Christian love. All the churches of Christ send you their greetings,

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<v Speaker 2>does it, Saint?

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<v Speaker 4>Christian lovers with a sacred kiss?

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<v Speaker 3>This one says, Greet each other in Christian love?

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<v Speaker 4>Really mine sacred kiss yours? NLT. Yeah, Yeah, so's mine.

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<v Speaker 4>That's interesting, isn't that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, so yours is probably just a different updated version

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah for sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so we'll stop there because he's going to give

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<v Speaker 2>some instructions at the end. Different but basically he's highlighting

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of really really important things.

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<v Speaker 3>One, he has a team of people. It's not just

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<v Speaker 3>Paul the rock star.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentions, how many people say so important to me

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<v Speaker 2>in the ministry, right, the work with me in the ministry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just me, and he sees he recognizes the

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<v Speaker 1>value of those around him. So it just proves that Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>like we talked about before, you know, Paul was this ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>had a team of people to make it happen with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he actually takes the time in this letter

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<v Speaker 1>I know personally and their value, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate to you how valuable they are to me. So

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, he goes are out of his way

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<v Speaker 1>to praise them. There's a couple of different notes in

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<v Speaker 1>my study Bible, and it says Phoebe was known as

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<v Speaker 1>a deacon, or servant or helper, and apparently she was

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<v Speaker 1>a wealthy person who supported Paul's ministry. Baby was highly

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<v Speaker 1>regarded in the church, and she may have delivered this

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<v Speaker 1>letter from Corinth to Rome. She's a good example of

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<v Speaker 1>And it says since Sharia, the town where Phoebe lived

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that that's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool thing to see in this list, how many

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<v Speaker 4>You know that that early on in the church.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only did Jesus and the Gospels spend his time

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<v Speaker 1>elevating women, and the culture in that day did not

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<v Speaker 4>Women had no.

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<v Speaker 3>Rights, women were property.

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<v Speaker 1>Women were property, They had no voice in the court

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<v Speaker 1>of law, they couldn't give testimony, women were treated so poorly.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet Jesus spent his time elevating women, giving them positions,

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<v Speaker 4>To them, defend defending them when people wouldn't and they

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<v Speaker 4>would discard. And then Paul, here's here's.

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<v Speaker 2>An and the greatest announcement in the history of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>was the resurrection, and he announced to women before he

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<v Speaker 2>ever went to his apostles.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, Well, I always say women first of the cross, first.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the tomb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, women, that's right, and.

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<v Speaker 4>So and so. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So here here in the Gospels we have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these you know examples right there. And then also here

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<v Speaker 1>with Paul, we see that he's listing all these people

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<v Speaker 1>who are dear to him, that are so important, that

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<v Speaker 1>of them are women. I just think that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to point out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, he mentions Phoebe for one, he mentions Priscilla,

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<v Speaker 2>and he mentions Priscilla before her husband Aquilla.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 2>The only times that happens in the Bible are Mary

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<v Speaker 2>and Joseph, Priscilla and Aquilla.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else is David and Bathsheba. It's Abraham and Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Adam and Eve. Right, just start going through the

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<v Speaker 2>list of all the husbands and wives. It's always the

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<v Speaker 2>husband first, the woman's second. That's just a social convention.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like God's trying to say that's how it's

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<v Speaker 2>So Paul at one point says, Hey, some of you

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<v Speaker 2>She was incredibly important. And then the idea that he

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty established that it was Phoebe who delivers the

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<v Speaker 2>Brought to the synagogue first or to the early Church,

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<v Speaker 2>in the letter in the Bible. And that really highlights

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<v Speaker 2>its you know, countercultural, that really highlights how important these

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<v Speaker 1>And for those who don't know the history or the

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<v Speaker 1>And they were Christians before they met Paul and probably

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<v Speaker 4>An emphasis and second Timothy chapter for right, So very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then they have a church meeting in their home,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think, I think more Christians need to be

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to church. We kind of think then that

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<v Speaker 2>we minimize the gatherings in our homes sometimes. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>the Paul in your world, right, maybe one of our listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>are gathering together. You're helping disciple, and that's what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what home fellowships are. That's what you know, small

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<v Speaker 2>You can do that and not have that be contrary

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<v Speaker 2>to the larger gathering that you're a part of, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what they're doing there, And he mentions it

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<v Speaker 2>a couple times. I think there's somebody else that has

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<v Speaker 2>so you've got another woman there that and he says,

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<v Speaker 4>And you said, and you said, you should have read that.

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<v Speaker 2>One well, I just thought, I thought, narcissist.

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<v Speaker 3>know what you mean. Yeah, that was good. I just

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<v Speaker 4>Hey man, I thought was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, so so basically, another thing that we could,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, take from this is that it's another great

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<v Speaker 1>after all, you know, all of this is written within

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Paul is also the writer in First Corinthians,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that they're just the body as many members.

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<v Speaker 1>We all have different roles, we all have different parts,

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<v Speaker 1>And then he you know, talks about how the church

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<v Speaker 1>we as listeners. You know, let's just say we're getting

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<v Speaker 4>Just know that you are an important role in the church.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have the gift of pastoring where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>How could you, how could you be so encouraging.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing I really enjoy when you read a

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<v Speaker 2>in Rome. You can see there's no competition. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like he's saying, hey, I like this church, but watch

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that as Christians we should be that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Aristoculus or whatever, Ampliatus, whatever. I want you to learn

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility of a prophet to call them out and bring

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the smaller churches, we we great

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<v Speaker 1>to for us to launch a campus in this area. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where this guy was launching, right And so

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<v Speaker 1>he comes up and he stands on the stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in my entire life, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>a pastor say this.

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<v Speaker 4>He got up in front of the whole group and

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<v Speaker 4>he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, he goes, this guy's launching a church, and we

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<v Speaker 1>believe in new churches.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be the best thing in the world for like

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred of you to leave our church and go

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<v Speaker 1>follow this guy and help him start plant this church.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember thinking, and that's and you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>that season of that church's life, the spirit of open

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<v Speaker 1>handedness was so strong, and I remember thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>that can't be true. Like that come on, what pastor

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<v Speaker 1>says that, What pastor says, you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to give up my resources, my people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff that comes with people and my numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else, just to resource other churches. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when I really started to learn that the church down

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<v Speaker 1>the street, whether slightly different or maybe even disagrees on

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<v Speaker 1>some things. You know, Listen, we are as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we believe in Jesus Christ, and we center our doctrine

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<v Speaker 1>around that, which is most important.

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<v Speaker 4>We are much more alike.

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<v Speaker 1>Than we are different, right right, We're on the same team,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. And so and I remember thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>that is one of the most inspiring things I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not threatened by the women serving, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>threatened by the husbands and wives serving, he's not threatened

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<v Speaker 2>by all the other churches. And then he just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wraps it up there saying, all the churches of

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<v Speaker 2>Christ send you their greetings, meaning all those churches of

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<v Speaker 2>Christ were cooperating together, loving each other, and rooting on

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<v Speaker 2>this other church.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that kind of unity, I think is the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unity that we should be working towards.

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<v Speaker 3>All the time.

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<v Speaker 4>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that starts individually Christian to Christian to Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the churches because the churches are just made

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<v Speaker 2>up of individual Christians.

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<v Speaker 4>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye. Well, that's a good word and that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>place to end and we will see you next time

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys,