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I sense injuries. The data could be called
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Welcome to Primary Technology,

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the show about the tech news that matters.

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Lots of AI news this week. Jim and I
finally released their Mac app.

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Resolve 21 has built AI features like
de-aging just built right into the app.

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Adobe Firefly doing a ton more AI stuff
across Photoshop,

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Lightroom.

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The new Claude app launched with Parallel
Sessions,

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Jason has a story about DoorDash,

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and he even built some of his own apps.

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All of that and a ton more. This episode
is brought to you by Copilot Money,

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Shopify, and you, the members who support
us directly.

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I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles,

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joined by developer Jason Aten.

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How's it going, Jason? Sorry, no,

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You're gonna make people mad at me,

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Stephen.

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no, no, he didn't say that. He didn't say
his developer,

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but he did make some apps. Vibe coded.

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I'm a product manager apparently.

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You're product manager.

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Jason vibe coded some stuff. We're gonna
talk about that in personal tech.

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That's super fun.

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All the AI stuff. All right, let's get
ready to do five star reviews.

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We had a few. Thank you so much We've been
in like the top 50 60 shows

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in Apple podcast I don't know if I think I
got a couple of screenshots that these

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people our show has shown up in the video
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in Apple podcast So that's super fun.

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But yeah, we've been like top 50 60 shows
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Sweet.

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but prox now from the USA, which I
recognize you I hope you continue to beat

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the we want a new Apple TV drum

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and he was saying we should, she's shaking
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I made a whole video about why we need a
new Apple TV and what I want out of it,

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and literally posting a video as we record
right now about my $3,000 movie box.

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You still don't think we need a new Apple
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Those two things are not the same just to
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huh? They're not the same thing,

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that's the same thing.

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think that the current Apple TV is already
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So unless they're going to dramatically
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Steven, I have I have like literally seven
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are just functioning fine.

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Yeah, well, Progeny has had a less good
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which is unique. mean, I have five Apple
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And like, I don't really have any issues
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but I totally get it. I totally get it.

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So I still want a new Apple TV.

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New Apple TV, Bob Lely is from Canada.

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Steve and the other guy make a perfect
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We're a perfect team, according to Bob
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This is true.

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This is true. Super dedicated,

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professional. Thank you all for that.

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A-A Ron, reference acknowledged,

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from the USA. Missed me off from Apple
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but glad he found this show.

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And he asked, the other guy even like
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Jason, do you like technology?

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Moving on.

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No, no, just kidding. Yes,

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this is how I described it to Stephen
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I'll just say, I think I am cynically
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I think that's a good phrase. In our
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if you become a member, which the deal is
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I'll just go ahead link it in the show
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you can support the show and get the whole
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which is like half an hour long,

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and the bonus episodes, and the ad-free
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all for like $2.50 a month. But we talked
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it means to really review and critique
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on YouTube and whose responsibility is it
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Well, and just like I think the reason
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and I is Stevens default position.

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This is an over generalization is this is
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I can't wait to try it. And my default
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you prove to me otherwise.

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I think that's it.

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do love it when they prove to me
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proved to actually suck, I just don't talk
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I just don't mention it. Like the,

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well, I don't want to mention the product
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But anyway, okay, so moving on.

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La French Fab from the USA five-star
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Installed Apple Podcast just to leave this
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Battery percentage on, back pocket,

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screen facing in horizontal tabs.

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So he does the landscape tab. You still
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Or the vertical tab.

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the vertical tabs because he's not using

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~ right, right.

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vertical tabs. Right.

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so they're they do the horizontal tabs
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Like God intended or Scott Forstall or the
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you do the vertical tip Yeah, that's right
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the past like 30 years. It was wild one to
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it over and then disappear and then
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and disappear and then Firefox and then
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I think it was accurate anyway,

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and then dub pancake boys from the USA
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off phone in crossbody bag. You need to
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What was that brand? Is it Isumiaki?

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I don't think it's the sock. The iPhone
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Crossbody bag? Yeah, probably not.

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Basic Apple guy, do you carry it around in
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I want to know. That's all. All right.

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and I wanted to give a shout out to Aaron,

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who sent me an email I talked about last
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for my Cloudflare worker job, and I had no
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And Aaron sent me very nice email.

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He literally went line by line and
explained what each line that Claude
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what it did.

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and so I appreciate that. So thank you,

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Aaron.

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Erin email me because when I talk about my
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I've had a lot of people start asking me
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I might need someone to look at them first
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not secretly syncing these notes to who
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And Aaron, I'm just saying this could be a
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Absolutely.

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Side gig, just checking people's vibe
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Absolutely. That is the missing link.

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I feel like that, I don't know,

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that might be an industry pretty soon.

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Of people, just people. You think so?

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It probably already is an industry.

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just all the people

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work inside big companies where they're
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Yeah, that's fair enough. And we gotta
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Alright, and last feedback, Darkshot
Coffee on X actually sent me this,

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the Ferrari Luce, right?

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I think it's the Luce. They released a
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of their Johnny Ive designed car.

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It's like a rendering. I don't think it's
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but it shows what it looks like all put
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All the iPad-like rounded corners and the
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the shifter.

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Listen, I'm not a car guy, definitely not
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what does this look like? Is this cool?

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It looks like something from a Pixar
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This video does kind of look like it kind
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car from the increase like That's a good
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Yeah, that's that is exactly what this
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like Incredibles 3 they might be driving
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There's the iPad in the middle

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they actually might be driving this car
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incredible story. There's a decent chance
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That's true. There

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might be that might be a deal.

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So anyway, thanks for sending that over.

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All right. Some kind of wild AI news this
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And I just wanted to start with this
hilarious story.

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Allbirds, the shoe company, has pivoted to
being an AI company.

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Yes, like to yesterday. And the stock
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Now, if you're not familiar with Allbirds,

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it felt very like, oh man, these shoes are
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I actually bought a pair of Allbirds very
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And then they have not been able to be
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and their sales dropped nearly 50 %
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2025. So they are selling off all of their
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and they're going to reform like a Voltron
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and they're going to acquire...

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GPUs and then basically become a GPU as a
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which is now a new like business,

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you know, if you're not familiar,

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there's like SAS pass, which is like
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Like those are just kind of acronyms that
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a podcast host is a SAS software as a
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A S I don't know how to say that about
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and a native cloud solutions provider.

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This is hilarious.

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I don't I mean, I kind of understood all
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but they don't all make sense in the order
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Right. Like I mean, I listen. I had a pair
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They were great. They were what I called
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They were like the shoes that were
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were lightweight. They were like easy to
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They were wool. They were, yeah.

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If it was wet, they weren't. didn't.

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this what I was gonna say so like I bought
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on like when all birds first came on the
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They looked cool. Like they were wool.

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You could throw them in the washing
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whatever But like over time we actually
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and we never bought another pair and so
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and like Losing the business model
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my wife that she was like, ~ yeah We
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So like they may just not have been a
great shoe company and then there were
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Competitions like Adams came out and you
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they have a bunch of partnerships and
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But but yeah that I'm curious now we need
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be insider trading but like what company
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business they do now to AI because of the
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Well, okay, so hold on, we can do that in
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There's a difference between...

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Nvidia making GPUs for gaming PCs,

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pivoting to making massive GPUs for
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and then the entire stack that they've
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which is like with a platform you can
develop.

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But that's different, right? That is not
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Now we rent GPUs. Those are not the same
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Not at all, not at all.

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This is all based on like a $50 million
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That's like six GPUs right now.

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red.

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Like I don't even know like who are you
renting them to?

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Right? It's I could put it on those
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Their server farm is gonna be an
apartment.

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It's gonna be a studio apartment Yeah,

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It'd be like all birds call me like Joe.

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you could just run it right there Yeah,

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you could be yeah, you'll think you'll
take some of that cut

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We can work something out. My shed has a
mini split.

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It's can it's a climate controlled.

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You ready? Ready to go. That's it.

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It's it's ready to go. I will not take 50
million.

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It will be a lot. We can work out a deal.

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That's it. think, let me see, let me think
here.

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Maybe, Red Bull's already doing a bunch.

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Red Bull, I mean, I can see them getting
into GPU market.

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Red Bull is not going to pivot as much as
it just constantly spins around

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in circles. That's like the way it works.

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That's right and spins people around in
circles with crazy stunts.

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Exactly.

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You know what mean? Anyway, if you if no,

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I'm not gonna say that but I will see I'm
curious what other companies legitimately

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pivot to AI just because of this moment
and Then how many like give

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up maybe good business models because
they're trying to jump on this hype train

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and then it goes away

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peak design.

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peeked his backpacks to GPUs. I like that.

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I like that.

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~ you laugh,

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but is it more weird than shoes to GPUs?

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No, no, I don't know. That's what

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I'm trying to think of something weirder
than shoes that could actually pivot

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and I really, I really don't know.

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Buddy brew coffee beans maybe.

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Little Debbie.

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I don't know.

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That's it. Hostess and Little Debbie,

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the next AI companies. ~ this is
brilliant.

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Hostess it's right there in the name.

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They're going to host the GPUs.

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All right, I'm to put us in the comedy
category now.

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All right, so more AI news. Jim and I
finally released their Mac app.

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You can download it now.

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I was getting mixed reports from people of
whether it's available outside the US,

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so may or may not. This is the Mac app.

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You download it. I did it immediately.

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I have some concerns and critiques,

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first of all. I'm glad I made a Mac app.

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I was tired of going to the web interface,

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but there are some things missing.

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So first of all, this is what it actually
looks like.

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This is my live Gemini Mac app.

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This gradient is too much. I don't like
this gradient at the bottom.

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It's too much.

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I feel like the design, it feels a little
meh.

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Also, it's missing like model pickers.

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I mean, you can choose between like fast
thinking and pro,

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but I don't know, that feels a little
limited there.

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But also no custom gems. So I have
actually ~ trained custom Gemini gems

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for specific use cases. You don't have
access to the gems in there.

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And you can share a window to give Gemini
context on what you're working on,

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but it is...

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not like Claude Cowork. Now Google has
said this is like setting

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the groundwork for building a really
robust Mac app that will have,

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you know, more access and kind of that
super app that all these companies

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are talking about. But I don't know,

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what were your impressions when you
downloaded it?

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I do you like it? Same, same.

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Well, I'm glad they made a Mac app.

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I'm glad they actually made a real Mac
app,

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Right.

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right? Like this

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is an act. It's not electron garbage.

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I'm

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Correct.

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Correct.

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like Claude

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is, I'm very, very, very glad that they
did that.

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The reason they had to do that was like
the killer feature of this

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is actually not the app. It's the fact
that you can be looking at your browser

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and you can hit option space. I actually
had to remap that because

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I use option space for maybe Alfred.

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No, I use it for actual spotlight because
I use command space for Alfred.

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So I remapped it, but you can pull up this
little tiny floating window,

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Uh-huh.

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right?

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It looks like

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spotlight.

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It looks like spotlight, but if you hit
the plus,

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it'll just include a screenshot of
whatever you're looking at.

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If you want it to right, you can share
that window with.

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Correct.

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And so you could just pull that command up
and be like,

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explain what's actually the first thing I
did was I just,

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I did that. I was like, explain what's
happening here.

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And it did. It told me exactly what was
happening and explained it.

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yeah.

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So in that, that's the feature that they
really wanted.

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want you to use is like use Gemini from
anywhere on your context

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on whatever you're doing. You could pull
it up.

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You could switch your screens out of ~ an
email that was sent to you,

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the one that you got in Chinese or
whatever,

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and be like, explain to me what's
happening here.

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Tell me what's going on in this email.

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Right, translate this. Right.

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So I think that's great. What that means
is you have to give

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it screen reporting permissions.

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So you have to decide if that's the thing
you want to do with Google.

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Hmm.

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Now, Google is big company and it's not
going to be worth it to them

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to just constantly looking at everything
that you're doing.

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And they already, if you have personalized
context enable,

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can look at your Gmail and your photos and
your drive and your docs

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right right

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and all that stuff anyway. But you should
be careful because this

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I also get... Yeah.

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is a new product, there's a much greater
chance that they're going

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to be using review processes to like,

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how effective is this working?

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Are these answers lining up with the
users?

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Right.

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Which just means that there's always gonna
be a possibility that there's

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a person who will see whatever it is that
you share with.

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And also I got a number of pop-ups after I
installed it and opened it

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and like app background activity and it
says Google updater can

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run in the background and then you know I
could go to the system settings login

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items and extensions and turn that off and
then I got a second one that

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I forgot to screenshot talking about I
think that it'll Start you know it'll
it'll

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when you restart your Mac or start your
Mac It'll like open automatically,

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and I didn't see it in the list just yet
like the immediate live

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So there was just some pop-ups that like,

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it felt like when I install Chrome,

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which I had since deleted recently when I
figured I could have Claude work in Brave.

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And so there were a lot of pop-ups that
felt like,

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is like installing Chrome. And I didn't
feel great about that ~ because Google,

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I don't know, it just gets in there.

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I feel like the tentacles just get in
there when you download their apps.

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That's just a feeling. ~ But then there
were also a post on Macedon because

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it was like, this, it's not an Electron
app,

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which Electron is like,

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a wrapper for basically a web app.

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That's what Slack is. That's what the
Claude app is.

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like it doesn't those apps don't feel
great on the Mac.

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If there's an intangible feeling you have
when you use an app like Slack,

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it's because it's an electronic.

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Yeah, because it's literally just a web
view wrapped in a desktop app.

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Correct, and that's garbage to be clear.

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So, right, and so I saw this post on
Mastodon by Gus.

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Yeah, make an app people.

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He was saying that it has a huge
executable binary.

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I don't know what that means, but
basically that there's a bunch

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of Objective-C classes, and Objective-C is
like the pre-Swift,

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like, Apple language. Not just Apple,

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but that's what a lot of Apple apps were
written in.

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And it looks like there's a lot of
JavaScript to Objective-C being
transformed,

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and this...

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Support article that I'll also link it
talks about that Google has this tool
inside

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that will transform Java source code to
objective C for iOS and

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So I don't like I'm not technical enough
to know exactly everything that's

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happening, but I will say the app feels
weird sometimes it doesn't feel like

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I Don't know like first party.

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They're like a Apple developer app that's
made for it and the reason

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why I bring that up is because Sundar
Parcha I actually posted on X

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that this app was developed using
anti-gravity AI,

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which is Google's AI developer tool,

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and was talking about how it was written
in Swift or whatever,

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but I don't know, I need more information.

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I wanna know more about the details there.

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If anybody has any resources on that,

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I'm curious. Or if you have the ability to
look at the code and really

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see what's going on under the hood,

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I would just be curious, because something
feels a little weird to me.

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It's intangible.

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first of all, it's made by Google.

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So it's gonna feel weird. Have you ever
used Gmail?

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Okay, sure. Well, no, I use fast mail.

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Like, come on. But okay. I said,

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~ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Have you ever used Gmail? Right.

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that,

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yeah.

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But I mean, they Google said I'm trying to
find it.

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But they said they they spent 100 days
they built this thing from the ground

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up in Swift. Now, did they use code from
other places?

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I got probably like I mean, but they also
have they already have a Gemini

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app on the iPhone. Like so I mean,

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All

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I'm just

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The fact you know that it's a native app
in ways because like

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the right click context menus are like the
stock right click context menus you'd

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expect to have right like and so it's much
better than running electron

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right.

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if for no other reason than you load like
an electron app like I'll load

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one password past sponsor of the show fine
and all of a sudden it's using

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Yeah.

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3.5 gigs of memory and it's not because I
have that many passwords it's just because

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Right.

432
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it's an electron app which means it's
Chrome which means it's just like

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inflating to consume all Earth.

434
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Yeah. All the resources,

435
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Right. It's like, what was the movie?

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everything, yeah.

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The Ryan Gosling movie right now?

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No, the one that the yeah,

439
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I was gonna say the blob. Project Hail
Mary,

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the astrophage. Yeah, Yeah.

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thank you. It's like trying to consume the
sun or whatever.

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So anyway,

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That is what Chrome does in the
background.

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Yeah.

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so I think it's good. I think there are
some quirkiness to it.

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Like it's kind of weird that the default
font size is massive in the.

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So... yeah, strange. Also the icon's

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real gray. I don't know why. I know it's
nitpicking,

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It does

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but...

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look like it is inactive.

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That's what that icon looks like.

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Yeah.

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It's like you have Gemini down here,

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but it's gone to sleep. It's really sad or
something.

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So anyway, I'm glad they made a native app
though.

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Yeah. Yeah.

458
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That was what people wanted, unlike some
other AI chat option.

459
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Yeah, I am too. download it. I will be
using it because I do use all

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the AIs in different ways. And I was using
the Mac apps for Claude

461
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and ChatjpT and we're gonna talk about
that Claude app in a minute.

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But ~ yeah, we'll see. It's out there.

463
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You can download it.

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And the

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chat GBT app though is much better,

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much, much, much better.

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ChatGPT app is the best, it's

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the best chat app. It's the best AI chat
bot app,

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I think. You have your custom GPTs,

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it feels fast, it feels native,

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like, yeah, that is, I think, one of the
best apps.

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But speaking of AI and things,

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DaVinci Resolve, made by Blackmagic,

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they had an event where they announced a
bunch of stuff,

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but Resolve 21 is now available in a
preview beta,

476
00:19:13,432 --> 00:19:17,052
and they've added a bunch of crazy
features to DaVinci Resolve 21,

477
00:19:17,052 --> 00:19:18,448
one being more...

478
00:19:18,669 --> 00:19:24,170
photo editing tools. Now DaVinci Resolve
is thought of as a video editing tool

479
00:19:24,451 --> 00:19:29,002
and a lot of people look to it for like
color grading as like the best color
grading

480
00:19:29,002 --> 00:19:30,492
experience that you can get in an app.

481
00:19:30,492 --> 00:19:34,353
But so they've now taken that and are
trying to compete with Lightroom

482
00:19:34,473 --> 00:19:39,214
and have built photo editing capabilities
into DaVinci Resolve so much

483
00:19:39,214 --> 00:19:42,195
so that you can process raw photos from
like Sony,

484
00:19:42,195 --> 00:19:45,602
Nikon, Canon, all of that directly in
Resolve 21.

485
00:19:46,098 --> 00:19:51,031
and has all the same color correction and
tools that you could do with video footage

486
00:19:51,031 --> 00:19:53,032
in Resolve. Now you can do it with still
images.

487
00:19:53,032 --> 00:19:55,584
And you can import images from the photo,

488
00:19:55,584 --> 00:19:59,156
like the Apple Photos app from Adobe
Lightroom catalog files.

489
00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:01,677
So all of that competing now with
Lightroom.

490
00:20:01,677 --> 00:20:04,579
So that's interesting. But then they're
also just building more

491
00:20:04,579 --> 00:20:06,220
AI tools directly into Resolve.

492
00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:11,763
And there's de-aging and aging using AI
just right into the app.

493
00:20:11,763 --> 00:20:13,664
And DaVinci Resolve is like free.

494
00:20:13,958 --> 00:20:17,521
Download and just use which is also why it
kind of exploded in popularity

495
00:20:17,521 --> 00:20:20,781
in the last few years because it was one
of the cheapest options and

496
00:20:20,781 --> 00:20:23,957
it was really good and You know black
magic really makes their money with

497
00:20:23,957 --> 00:20:27,350
the hardware. They sell lots of different
hardware You know both consumer

498
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:31,403
and professional grade but man D aging is
just gonna like be there

499
00:20:31,403 --> 00:20:34,876
and available and anybody could do it like
I don't know We're just

500
00:20:34,876 --> 00:20:36,838
in a place though. These AI tools are just
out there

501
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,920
Yeah, I

502
00:20:38,752 --> 00:20:43,904
downloaded this because the 21 beta
because I didn't have I had 20 on

503
00:20:43,904 --> 00:20:47,256
my machine I don't really use it a lot but
I wanted to check out the photo stuff

504
00:20:47,816 --> 00:20:52,789
and I think what is kind of messing me up
is I don't want my photo editing

505
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:56,450
app buried inside of a video editing app
it's just like one tab down

506
00:20:55,094 --> 00:20:56,319
That is... yeah.

507
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:59,852
at the bottom it's like this this has to
be way too heavy for what I want

508
00:20:59,852 --> 00:21:04,784
to use it for if all I want is to edit
photos I can understand that

509
00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:02,128
Right.

510
00:21:04,784 --> 00:21:08,376
if you're doing both on a regular basis or
if you're going to be using photos

511
00:21:08,376 --> 00:21:09,376
in your

512
00:21:08,639 --> 00:21:09,639
video

513
00:21:08,939 --> 00:21:12,179
project, this is pretty killer because you
don't have to go from one app

514
00:21:12,179 --> 00:21:16,139
to go to Lightroom and then export either
a TIFF file or a JPEG or a

515
00:21:16,139 --> 00:21:18,059
PNG or whatever it is you're going to use
in your video.

516
00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:21,659
So that's great. But like I there's a part
of me that's like,

517
00:21:21,659 --> 00:21:23,399
if I really wanted to try this out,

518
00:21:23,399 --> 00:21:26,279
I want a dedicated app for that.

519
00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:27,220
Yeah,

520
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,640
and maybe that's the next step,

521
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,700
you know, maybe there'll be a DaVinci
whatever other app name and they might
have

522
00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:36,200
like break out the photo editing but
DaVinci developed,

523
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:34,430
DaVinci Develop.

524
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,740
I that's a nice alliteration. Yeah,

525
00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:39,680
I don't know, anyway. DaVinci Resolve 21,

526
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,920
so that's out there, preview beta and more
AI and software.

527
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,540
Adobe announced updates to Firefly,

528
00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:46,100
which is like their AI assistant.

529
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,860
And I'll include this link if you want to
go to it,

530
00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:50,920
but if you're watching, you can see it
right here.

531
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,112
They kind of have this preview where...

532
00:21:53,618 --> 00:21:57,228
different things you can just prompt Adobe
Firefly and the use cases

533
00:21:57,228 --> 00:22:00,090
are actually pretty wild like let's say
you've taken some headshots

534
00:22:00,090 --> 00:22:02,741
for your business maybe a small business
you can just give it a bunch

535
00:22:02,741 --> 00:22:07,192
of photos and just prompt it hey touch up
these headshots and it will auto align

536
00:22:07,192 --> 00:22:10,673
auto center and adjust the lighting on all
the headshots so they match

537
00:22:10,953 --> 00:22:14,654
you can tell it to mock up like give it a
logo and just say mock up a bunch

538
00:22:14,654 --> 00:22:18,955
of merch and it will do all of that you
can tell it to resize a single image

539
00:22:19,055 --> 00:22:22,086
for all the different ad sizes like
Facebook ads Instagram ads

540
00:22:22,484 --> 00:22:24,284
and Firefly will just do that.

541
00:22:24,284 --> 00:22:29,344
And this is one of the things where this
is not generative per se.

542
00:22:29,344 --> 00:22:31,864
I mean, it is like starting from a logo,

543
00:22:31,864 --> 00:22:34,284
starting from like your brand or whatever.

544
00:22:34,284 --> 00:22:37,884
These tools feel really good, especially
for a small business.

545
00:22:37,884 --> 00:22:42,984
You know, just helping a friend who owns a
chiropractor office in Lakeland

546
00:22:42,984 --> 00:22:48,104
set up some Facebook ads and like all the
different sizes of graphics that

547
00:22:48,104 --> 00:22:51,448
you need specifically for a Facebook ad
and it won't even let you

548
00:22:51,646 --> 00:22:54,577
published until you've met all these
requirements.

549
00:22:54,577 --> 00:22:56,348
And they are not graphic designers.

550
00:22:56,348 --> 00:22:59,109
They basically have one logo that they
paid for years ago,

551
00:22:59,109 --> 00:23:01,060
and that's all they have. It's like,

552
00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:03,071
this would actually be a nice tool.

553
00:23:03,071 --> 00:23:06,482
Now, someone has to have all the Adobe
apps in order to use Firefly.

554
00:23:06,482 --> 00:23:11,444
But for mocking up a bunch of stuff or
being able to do 50 headshots

555
00:23:11,444 --> 00:23:15,456
for a company and rather than going
through each headshot and aligning

556
00:23:15,456 --> 00:23:17,987
and cropping and even copy and pasting
adjustments,

557
00:23:17,987 --> 00:23:20,218
just being able to prompt it, that seems
pretty useful.

558
00:23:20,564 --> 00:23:22,636
~ I think that might be positive.

559
00:23:22,636 --> 00:23:23,636
What do think?

560
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,002
I think Adobe's AI stuff is sort of
interesting because

561
00:23:29,002 --> 00:23:35,409
I don't think like Adobe is where people
do a lot of this work and you've always

562
00:23:35,409 --> 00:23:39,732
had to go somewhere else. Like so you
could go to Gemini and use Nano Banana

563
00:23:39,732 --> 00:23:41,343
if you want to do like generative things.

564
00:23:41,343 --> 00:23:44,415
And Adobe is like we don't like this is
the thing.

565
00:23:44,415 --> 00:23:48,168
This is like the Apple killing the iPod
with the iPhone.

566
00:23:48,168 --> 00:23:50,669
Right. Well, someone's going to do it.

567
00:23:51,482 --> 00:23:56,243
It should just be us. And so I feel like
that that's what Adobe is doing here.

568
00:23:56,243 --> 00:24:00,433
Adobe also has the benefit of a company
full of people who just think

569
00:24:00,433 --> 00:24:01,606
all day long about

570
00:24:02,254 --> 00:24:03,696
how to increase subscription price.

571
00:24:03,696 --> 00:24:06,418
No, I mean, how about how creatives are
doing?

572
00:24:05,592 --> 00:24:07,635
How to serve the customer.

573
00:24:06,418 --> 00:24:09,141
How creatives are doing creative work.

574
00:24:09,141 --> 00:24:12,685
And so you would think they would be in
the position.

575
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:15,638
But then the other thing that's happening
is you just described

576
00:24:15,638 --> 00:24:17,019
a scenario that Adobe is like,

577
00:24:17,019 --> 00:24:20,132
Yes, even say that louder, because right
now all those small businesses

578
00:24:20,132 --> 00:24:21,274
are just doing it on Canva.

579
00:24:21,274 --> 00:24:23,279
Right, that is true. That is true.

580
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,102
which will do exactly what you just
described.

581
00:24:25,102 --> 00:24:27,521
I know Canva has an AI, it has tools like
that,

582
00:24:27,521 --> 00:24:28,521
just for all that kind of stuff.

583
00:24:27,942 --> 00:24:29,515
Yeah, and it has templates for everything.

584
00:24:28,504 --> 00:24:30,341
Right.

585
00:24:29,515 --> 00:24:30,858
You can be like, I'm going to make a
Facebook

586
00:24:30,858 --> 00:24:31,995
ad. And it's like, here, do you want to?

587
00:24:31,995 --> 00:24:33,393
Here's a template. And here's the thing.

588
00:24:33,393 --> 00:24:34,393
So.

589
00:24:33,814 --> 00:24:38,297
That is true. You know, and what ended up
happening as I was helping these friends

590
00:24:38,297 --> 00:24:42,070
set up the ads, like my one friend would
just get on his phone and like

591
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:44,572
try to re crop things until Facebook
accepted it.

592
00:24:44,572 --> 00:24:47,274
It's like as the image size and they're
like,

593
00:24:47,274 --> 00:24:48,704
all right, we're good. That's like,

594
00:24:48,481 --> 00:24:49,481
Yeah.

595
00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:53,248
that's like the lowest barrier to entry is
just like using the crop tool

596
00:24:53,248 --> 00:24:54,689
in the photos app on your phone.

597
00:24:54,689 --> 00:24:58,471
And so it is, it is a ~ cell that you have
to convince people to be like,

598
00:24:58,471 --> 00:25:00,933
this is worth it. But if you're,

599
00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:01,994
you know, a freelancer,

600
00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:06,080
and you want to do like a brand kit for
somebody.

601
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,642
Hopefully you're making the brand yourself
and not just generating that with AI.

602
00:25:09,642 --> 00:25:12,844
But once you actually have a logo and then
you want to be able to mock it

603
00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:15,005
up on a bunch of merch to show a brand
like,

604
00:25:15,005 --> 00:25:17,726
here's what it looks like on shirts and
hats and bags.

605
00:25:17,726 --> 00:25:20,828
And also here's what it looks like on a
sign outside your store window.

606
00:25:20,828 --> 00:25:26,301
I don't know, I feel less ~ agita about
using AI for those parts of

607
00:25:26,301 --> 00:25:29,673
the process as opposed to like actually
generating the logo itself.

608
00:25:30,414 --> 00:25:33,953
How do you feel about that as far as the
AI being involved in that part

609
00:25:33,953 --> 00:25:34,953
of the process?

610
00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:37,547
You're saying you've already created the
thing and you just want to put

611
00:25:37,547 --> 00:25:38,718
it in a bunch of, I mean, yeah,

612
00:25:38,718 --> 00:25:43,533
that kind of makes sense. It's like AI
will come up with creative ideas for you.

613
00:25:43,533 --> 00:25:45,955
But what you're really asking it to do is
like this thing that would take

614
00:25:45,955 --> 00:25:49,348
me an hour and a half. You could just do
it really quickly and then I can move

615
00:25:47,605 --> 00:25:48,605
Right.

616
00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:53,272
on to the next thing. I'm fine with that.

617
00:25:53,272 --> 00:25:54,693
Like, I don't think that's a problem.

618
00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:55,322
Yeah, I feel like because

619
00:25:55,322 --> 00:25:59,364
I feel like pixel made a pro since the
last update with creator studio They
actually

620
00:25:59,364 --> 00:26:04,275
have like merch templates where you can
open up a tote a shirt a

621
00:26:04,275 --> 00:26:09,616
hat And literally just drag a logo into
the pixelmator canvas and when

622
00:26:09,616 --> 00:26:14,438
you drop it It will just warp the logo so
it looks like it's on the bag

623
00:26:14,438 --> 00:26:19,899
or it's on the shirt and it's like That
feels like one step away that maybe kind

624
00:26:19,899 --> 00:26:22,670
of a meaningless step to just like
prompting AI to be like hey

625
00:26:22,924 --> 00:26:25,758
Can you put this on a shirt? So I feel
okay with that.

626
00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:29,033
I know people have really strong feelings
and I feel increasing like

627
00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:34,532
on social media that there's like more
pushback on all the AI stuff but then also

628
00:26:34,532 --> 00:26:37,655
I think people are still using it more for
more use cases.

629
00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:39,437
I don't know. Do you feel that tension at
all?

630
00:26:39,437 --> 00:26:40,437
Do you not see that?

631
00:26:39,446 --> 00:26:40,446
Yeah, everyone is

632
00:26:40,187 --> 00:26:41,628
using it. No one wants to talk about it.

633
00:26:41,628 --> 00:26:43,300
That's fine. Like, I mean, I get it.

634
00:26:43,116 --> 00:26:44,233
Right, yeah.

635
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,754
Like if it's the thing that might destroy
your personal career,

636
00:26:46,754 --> 00:26:48,636
like you probably don't want to tell
people you're using it.

637
00:26:48,636 --> 00:26:52,861
But I operate from a philosophy that you
should only do what only you can do.

638
00:26:48,994 --> 00:26:49,994
Hmm.

639
00:26:53,665 --> 00:26:56,997
So like Steven, you're the only person who
can make the Steven Robles videos

640
00:26:56,997 --> 00:26:58,918
and be on the camera because like it's
you,

641
00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:02,440
right? But there are infinity things that
don't have to be you,

642
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,752
right? And if you're the designer and you
have the idea and you have the,

643
00:27:05,752 --> 00:27:07,863
creating the brand, do that part,

644
00:27:07,863 --> 00:27:12,866
but mocking it up on t-shirts is not a
thing that only you can do.

645
00:27:10,613 --> 00:27:11,613
Right.

646
00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,617
And when you come across those things,

647
00:27:14,617 --> 00:27:16,978
you may have a great person who works for
you that does that.

648
00:27:16,978 --> 00:27:19,810
But if you don't, I think it's fine to use
these tools.

649
00:27:20,554 --> 00:27:23,561
You should just never use them to do the
thing that only you can do,

650
00:27:23,561 --> 00:27:26,508
which is speak in your voice or create
your ideas.

651
00:27:23,798 --> 00:27:24,798
Hmm.

652
00:27:26,508 --> 00:27:28,380
Yeah, that's good. That's good,

653
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:29,991
Jason. You should write about that.

654
00:27:29,991 --> 00:27:33,354
That's pretty good. Probably have.

655
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,795
I'm pretty sure I have, but maybe I'll
look into it again.

656
00:27:33,354 --> 00:27:36,897
All right, we need to talk about slash
complain about the Claude

657
00:27:36,897 --> 00:27:39,403
app because Claude messed me over.

658
00:27:39,403 --> 00:27:42,542
I was doing a live stream yesterday and it
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659
00:27:42,542 --> 00:27:45,424
~ But they did add a bunch of new features
too.

660
00:27:45,424 --> 00:27:49,338
Even Claude code is now in the app as
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661
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731
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I want to talk about Claude. I was so mad
at Claude the other day because

732
00:31:10,405 --> 00:31:13,426
I was doing a live stream for my shortcuts
community and they just

733
00:31:13,426 --> 00:31:16,887
had some massive updates where they
redesigned the app,

734
00:31:16,887 --> 00:31:20,518
number one. They put Claude code in the
app as a tab.

735
00:31:20,518 --> 00:31:21,518
So now you have

736
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,622
chat, co-work, and Claude code all in a
row.

737
00:31:24,622 --> 00:31:28,285
And they also added things that they call
parallel agents,

738
00:31:28,285 --> 00:31:31,697
which I had it rename a bunch of files the
other day and it said

739
00:31:31,697 --> 00:31:33,144
it was using parallel agents. So was like,

740
00:31:33,144 --> 00:31:34,769
okay, I guess if this gets it done faster,

741
00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:37,380
but it was totally broken for like half
the day.

742
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:39,522
I was in my live stream and I said,

743
00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:42,604
here's a folder in my finder, rename the
files in there.

744
00:31:42,604 --> 00:31:45,198
And it was like, sorry, I don't know.

745
00:31:45,198 --> 00:31:46,898
Something's wrong. And I was like,

746
00:31:46,898 --> 00:31:49,049
really? And then there was another update
late yesterday.

747
00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:50,600
I don't know if you saw that. it...

748
00:31:50,902 --> 00:31:52,693
It did work after that update,

749
00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:54,485
but I was like, Claude, come on,

750
00:31:54,485 --> 00:31:57,487
let's get your act together. You got
Mythos AI that you won't even release

751
00:31:57,487 --> 00:32:00,740
to the public. It's so powerful and you
can't rename some files in my finder,

752
00:32:00,740 --> 00:32:01,740
so.

753
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:01,900
mean,

754
00:32:01,201 --> 00:32:03,296
maybe Mythos broke the cloud app.

755
00:32:04,386 --> 00:32:06,041
I like that conspiracy. I like that.

756
00:32:06,041 --> 00:32:07,375
We can roll with that. Maybe we'll...

757
00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:08,436
Yeah, so well, OK,

758
00:32:07,375 --> 00:32:08,375
Yeah, go ahead.

759
00:32:08,436 --> 00:32:11,117
two things. They did add co-work.

760
00:32:11,117 --> 00:32:15,289
No, I'm sorry. Plug code to the app
previously because that was what I was
using.

761
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:18,320
And I asked a chat window quite,

762
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,580
you know, quite in the chat. I was like,

763
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:22,922
can you? You know, I this app that I made
over there.

764
00:32:22,922 --> 00:32:25,673
Can you go look at it and make some
suggestions for names?

765
00:32:25,673 --> 00:32:28,699
It's like plug code is a command line
thing.

766
00:32:28,699 --> 00:32:29,699
I don't know what you're talking about.

767
00:32:29,594 --> 00:32:30,815
Like I don't have access to those.

768
00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:33,325
And I'm like, but it's like literally in
the same app.

769
00:32:33,325 --> 00:32:34,636
Like just look over there. Just.

770
00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:35,997
do the thing you do and

771
00:32:35,807 --> 00:32:36,807
Yeah.

772
00:32:36,237 --> 00:32:37,878
just figure it out and it wouldn't.

773
00:32:37,878 --> 00:32:41,308
But it used to be like there was three
options at the top of the app

774
00:32:41,308 --> 00:32:44,801
and so you could see which mode you're in
and they got rid of that.

775
00:32:44,801 --> 00:32:48,820
And now there are just three tiny little
icons above and it's like,

776
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:48,140
Yeah, it's very tiny.

777
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:51,545
how am I supposed to know which of those
three things is which?

778
00:32:51,545 --> 00:32:56,528
I don't like it at all. Now there are a
shift in like the,

779
00:32:56,528 --> 00:32:59,369
what the interface looks like if you go to
code,

780
00:32:59,369 --> 00:33:04,332
it goes from like obsidian gray to like
dark mode.

781
00:33:03,342 --> 00:33:04,772
This is what it looks like. Yeah,

782
00:33:04,772 --> 00:33:06,925
if you're watching, so this is the new
Claude Mac app.

783
00:33:05,188 --> 00:33:06,188
Ha

784
00:33:06,925 --> 00:33:10,878
Here's Claude code. And yeah, it looks
like this is professional now.

785
00:33:10,878 --> 00:33:14,000
We're in the code world. And then this is
co-work.

786
00:33:12,598 --> 00:33:16,033
and co-work and then there's chat yeah

787
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,981
And so it's a little lighter gray.

788
00:33:15,981 --> 00:33:17,973
And then there's chat. And so yeah,

789
00:33:17,973 --> 00:33:22,416
it's chat. mean, just put the words always
appearing next to the icon

790
00:33:22,416 --> 00:33:24,468
so it's a little more obvious what you're
in.

791
00:33:24,132 --> 00:33:25,132
Yeah, I don't

792
00:33:24,583 --> 00:33:27,406
like that. It's like you wouldn't
automatically be you don't feel like
you're

793
00:33:27,406 --> 00:33:28,407
switching between three modes.

794
00:33:28,407 --> 00:33:29,407
And maybe that's what they want.

795
00:33:29,338 --> 00:33:33,454
But then I shouldn't actually have to be
in different modes if you don't want

796
00:33:29,924 --> 00:33:30,924
Yeah.

797
00:33:33,454 --> 00:33:34,815
me to think I'm in different modes.

798
00:33:34,815 --> 00:33:37,188
Like just put it next to the submit
button.

799
00:33:37,188 --> 00:33:39,090
Do you want to submit this to code,

800
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:41,493
co-work or chat? Like, I don't know.

801
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:42,845
That is true, yeah. Anyway,

802
00:33:41,493 --> 00:33:43,416
I don't know. I just.

803
00:33:42,845 --> 00:33:43,845
I'm

804
00:33:43,667 --> 00:33:46,020
glad that code is now in the UI,

805
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:47,843
because now I might actually try to use it
more,

806
00:33:47,843 --> 00:33:50,058
because I never felt comfortable in
Terminal.

807
00:33:50,058 --> 00:33:51,278
I know other people have gotten used to
it.

808
00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:51,821
yeah, I was never going to use it if it
was,

809
00:33:51,278 --> 00:33:52,680
Yeah.

810
00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:52,821
if I had to just figure

811
00:33:52,721 --> 00:33:56,443
out something in terminal. I know the
reason it wasn't working for

812
00:33:56,443 --> 00:34:01,004
you is probably because Anthropic just
cannot get enough compute.

813
00:34:01,004 --> 00:34:05,786
And so it takes a long time to do certain
things at certain times when they just

814
00:34:05,786 --> 00:34:08,107
do not have nearly enough compute right
now.

815
00:34:08,107 --> 00:34:10,868
Like that's, that is their limiting
factor.

816
00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:09,590
Right.

817
00:34:10,868 --> 00:34:13,229
Like it is, it is probably sure.

818
00:34:13,229 --> 00:34:14,229
I'm sure they'll figure it out,

819
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:18,451
solve it. But like that would be an
existential problem for a company like
this

820
00:34:18,451 --> 00:34:19,592
is to get more compute.

821
00:34:19,864 --> 00:34:21,662
So if you find yourself where it's like,

822
00:34:21,662 --> 00:34:22,868
you know, can we, can we wait?

823
00:34:22,868 --> 00:34:24,947
Can we do that later? Could I take a nap
first?

824
00:34:24,357 --> 00:34:25,417
It was like noon,

825
00:34:25,417 --> 00:34:27,861
it was like 12 p.m., which is probably
like the start of the work

826
00:34:27,861 --> 00:34:29,282
day for everybody in San Francisco.

827
00:34:29,282 --> 00:34:31,845
They're all opening cloud code
immediately.

828
00:34:29,593 --> 00:34:31,386
Yeah. Yep.

829
00:34:31,845 --> 00:34:34,037
Even everybody in Apple Park, which we're
talk about,

830
00:34:34,037 --> 00:34:37,000
like everybody using it. yeah,

831
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,384
I mean, it's working now. Maybe this is
where Allbirds is gonna come to the
rescue.

832
00:34:40,384 --> 00:34:42,476
Allbirds is gonna help them with some of
GPU.

833
00:34:42,476 --> 00:34:44,667
This is not where all birds is gonna come
to the rescue,

834
00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:46,374
just to be clear. And it's new bird,

835
00:34:45,232 --> 00:34:47,263
No, not at all. yeah,

836
00:34:46,374 --> 00:34:47,374
just to be.

837
00:34:47,263 --> 00:34:50,005
Nuber at AI, excuse me. ~ But also in this
update,

838
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,176
Claude, actually, you can now do parallel
sessions.

839
00:34:52,176 --> 00:34:55,078
So you can start a task and then start
another task,

840
00:34:55,078 --> 00:34:57,479
and Claude can be working on those
simultaneously,

841
00:34:57,479 --> 00:35:01,302
and routines and automations. So you can
actually schedule things to

842
00:35:01,302 --> 00:35:04,814
run at certain times of day, and those
automations will run in

843
00:35:04,814 --> 00:35:07,555
the Cloud and supposedly not on the Mac.

844
00:35:07,555 --> 00:35:11,768
I feel like that's dependent on unless the
task has to do with something

845
00:35:11,768 --> 00:35:12,768
on your Mac.

846
00:35:12,726 --> 00:35:17,637
Like if you have Cloud Cowork and you
create a routine where like every morning

847
00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:19,938
it renames all the files in your downloads
folder,

848
00:35:19,938 --> 00:35:22,399
it's probably your Mac needs to be on.

849
00:35:22,399 --> 00:35:25,770
But I some tasks you can schedule it to be
routine and automation and it'll

850
00:35:25,770 --> 00:35:28,700
run in the Cloud, even if your Mac is off.

851
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:32,201
yeah, scheduled automations. Cloud,

852
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:32,500
Yeah.

853
00:35:32,201 --> 00:35:36,663
Cloud. I still ~ have specific use cases.

854
00:35:36,663 --> 00:35:38,213
I still go to ChatjpT for these things,

855
00:35:38,213 --> 00:35:41,624
Cloud for these things. Are you still
straddling the line between some of these?

856
00:35:41,624 --> 00:35:43,384
Yeah, and now they put Gemini on my Mac,

857
00:35:43,384 --> 00:35:45,044
so I gotta figure out how to work that in
there.

858
00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:46,804
I just need a whole space on my Mac.

859
00:35:46,804 --> 00:35:48,776
I'll just put the three chat apps side by
side.

860
00:35:48,776 --> 00:35:52,689
Just do it all. And then they can race.

861
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:50,810
and then make them race.

862
00:35:52,689 --> 00:35:55,391
To the death. Like, what is that,

863
00:35:55,391 --> 00:35:58,663
Maze Runner? Just kidding. I've actually
never seen that.

864
00:35:56,551 --> 00:35:59,574
yeah, there we go. Hunger Games.

865
00:35:58,663 --> 00:36:00,994
just, I just, yeah, Hulu games.

866
00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,245
All right, I want you to tell,

867
00:36:02,245 --> 00:36:05,497
I saw this story and I'm gonna put the
Apple News article in the show notes.

868
00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:07,298
Can you tell me what DoorDash did?

869
00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:10,140
I didn't know this happened.

870
00:36:09,236 --> 00:36:10,236
Hold on

871
00:36:10,257 --> 00:36:16,218
one of our one of our five star reviews
explicitly said something about

872
00:36:16,218 --> 00:36:19,559
how I appreciate you guys don't get if you
don't mix the show with politics.

873
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,580
This I don't want this to be a story about
politics.

874
00:36:22,577 --> 00:36:23,577
No.

875
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:29,512
So just understand that but and I think
the backstory here was that there's this

876
00:36:29,512 --> 00:36:33,663
like policy or law that you don't pay

877
00:36:34,045 --> 00:36:39,948
Taxes now on tips up to a certain amount
of money and so to highlight this They

878
00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:43,980
did this thing with door dash where door
dash sent a person to them well No,

879
00:36:43,741 --> 00:36:44,741
White House.

880
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:47,302
they the White House to deliver some
McDonald's to the president because

881
00:36:47,302 --> 00:36:53,666
the president famously is a big fan of
McDonald's and Something like that.

882
00:36:50,695 --> 00:36:52,418
He had that whole spread for like the
Olympic team,

883
00:36:52,418 --> 00:36:54,121
whatever, or some sports team,

884
00:36:53,666 --> 00:36:57,898
Yeah served in Big Macs or whatever and so
people online Were like you tried

885
00:36:54,121 --> 00:36:55,543
yeah. Yeah.

886
00:36:57,898 --> 00:37:00,950
to make this look like this was just this
impromptu door dash delivery

887
00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:02,891
to the president and was clearly staged

888
00:37:03,943 --> 00:37:09,626
which the point I tried to make was
everything about the president take

889
00:37:09,826 --> 00:37:13,738
the current person out of it. Every
interaction the president has

890
00:37:13,738 --> 00:37:18,851
is staged right the logistics that go into
ordering food putting it in

891
00:37:18,851 --> 00:37:23,534
a bag getting a person to knock on the
door of the Oval Office and hand bags

892
00:37:22,183 --> 00:37:23,332
the literal Oval Office.

893
00:37:23,534 --> 00:37:28,677
to the president. That is not a thing that
can happen just impromptu person walks

894
00:37:28,677 --> 00:37:33,019
off the street like okay. No one thought
this was not staged.

895
00:37:29,483 --> 00:37:31,184
Correct. Correct.

896
00:37:33,395 --> 00:37:34,395
All right.

897
00:37:33,799 --> 00:37:34,799
But

898
00:37:33,989 --> 00:37:38,012
DoorDash's PR person took offense to the
idea that people suggested that

899
00:37:38,012 --> 00:37:41,615
it was staged. And the thing is,

900
00:37:41,615 --> 00:37:43,917
it's like, no one says this is staged.

901
00:37:43,917 --> 00:37:46,449
Why are you like, I don't know.

902
00:37:46,449 --> 00:37:48,441
He went off and he went off the deep end.

903
00:37:48,363 --> 00:37:49,363
I

904
00:37:48,845 --> 00:37:49,845
like what you said in your article.

905
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:51,313
You said this is an unforced error.

906
00:37:51,315 --> 00:37:53,595
It's exactly that because the first

907
00:37:53,595 --> 00:37:56,495
rule of crisis communication, which this
didn't even have to be a crisis,

908
00:37:56,495 --> 00:38:02,415
but he made it a crisis by making himself
the story completely unnecessarily.

909
00:38:02,415 --> 00:38:05,495
It's like just this will pass.

910
00:38:05,495 --> 00:38:09,155
Like, first of all, if you want to go to
the politics,

911
00:38:06,043 --> 00:38:07,900
Right, right, just ignore it, just ignore
it.

912
00:38:09,155 --> 00:38:12,275
something else will happen. Like he'll
order Starbucks and then

913
00:38:12,275 --> 00:38:13,715
the Starbucks person will show up through
door.

914
00:38:13,715 --> 00:38:16,395
Like they'll move on. Like it'll be a
different story very,

915
00:38:14,129 --> 00:38:16,579
Yeah. Yeah.

916
00:38:16,395 --> 00:38:20,155
very soon. I mean, it wasn't even like
hours later that the

917
00:38:20,486 --> 00:38:23,908
You know the head of the center for
medicare Whatever says that

918
00:38:23,908 --> 00:38:27,030
the president believes the diet coke will
cure cancer or something like that Like

919
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:30,083
you could have just like been quiet and no
one would have been talking about this

920
00:38:30,083 --> 00:38:35,166
story But you decided to take on all these
people and take and it's like

921
00:38:31,005 --> 00:38:32,005
Be quiet.

922
00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:40,740
he felt this obligation to defend this
person like no People would have moved

923
00:38:35,379 --> 00:38:36,379
Yeah.

924
00:38:39,613 --> 00:38:44,291
Yeah. People, yeah. That's the problem.

925
00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:44,432
on and I think if you're the main
character on twitter Which everyone's goal
should

926
00:38:44,432 --> 00:38:45,563
not be to be the main character.

927
00:38:45,563 --> 00:38:48,315
I promise you just please take my personal

928
00:38:48,847 --> 00:38:52,111
experience from this. You don't want to be

929
00:38:49,872 --> 00:38:51,909
Jason was the main character on Twitter
one day

930
00:38:52,111 --> 00:38:53,332
the main character on Twitter.

931
00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:56,575
Like if you could go your whole life
without being the main character on
Twitter,

932
00:38:56,575 --> 00:38:58,197
it'll be a happy life for you.

933
00:38:58,197 --> 00:39:04,244
So you should especially if your job is to
be the PR person for a brand.

934
00:39:04,244 --> 00:39:07,087
No, you should not be the main character.

935
00:39:07,087 --> 00:39:08,447
And I think, yeah, people aren't familiar,

936
00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,667
like, the idea of the main character on
Twitter is,

937
00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:13,067
like, not a good thing. If you're the main
character,

938
00:39:13,067 --> 00:39:14,687
it's because you did something dumb,

939
00:39:14,687 --> 00:39:19,267
or you, like, Justine Sacco'd and you
tweeted something really stupid.

940
00:39:19,267 --> 00:39:22,607
But I...

941
00:39:22,607 --> 00:39:24,627
I think we are a little different here.

942
00:39:24,627 --> 00:39:30,707
I don't know. When someone replies to me
personally and tries to either,

943
00:39:30,707 --> 00:39:33,287
like, correct something I said or,

944
00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:34,447
like, attacks...

945
00:39:35,405 --> 00:39:37,576
my knowledge about something, it is a
struggle.

946
00:39:37,576 --> 00:39:41,077
I know if I ignore it, everything's better
overall,

947
00:39:41,077 --> 00:39:44,058
but sometimes I do choose to respond.

948
00:39:44,058 --> 00:39:49,260
there was actually a comment on the latest
Mac Power Users episode where

949
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:50,441
we talked about Apple HomeKit.

950
00:39:50,441 --> 00:39:56,863
And in that episode, I say that the new
Acara G200 Video Doorbell

951
00:39:57,444 --> 00:40:00,765
is the first power over ethernet HomeKit
Secure Video Doorbell.

952
00:40:00,765 --> 00:40:01,855
And someone commented like,

953
00:40:02,744 --> 00:40:05,095
It's obvious there's so many things wrong
in this episode.

954
00:40:05,095 --> 00:40:06,305
You obviously don't know anything.

955
00:40:06,305 --> 00:40:08,375
This is not the first power of reethernet
doorbell.

956
00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:11,315
And it bothered me because he was actually
correct.

957
00:40:11,315 --> 00:40:15,476
~ The first one was actually a Robin Pro
line,

958
00:40:15,476 --> 00:40:16,657
which no one has ever heard of.

959
00:40:16,657 --> 00:40:21,618
It costs $1,500 and it hasn't been updated
in five years.

960
00:40:21,618 --> 00:40:27,269
And I could have made the argument of like
the Acura one was the first

961
00:40:27,269 --> 00:40:28,839
in all the things. It has thread.

962
00:40:28,839 --> 00:40:30,880
It has 2K like

963
00:40:31,188 --> 00:40:32,669
It is the first in a lot of areas.

964
00:40:32,669 --> 00:40:35,511
The one aspect of power re-therminated was
not first.

965
00:40:35,511 --> 00:40:39,603
But I felt like responding because I found
the timestamp of me talking about

966
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:43,916
the Robin Proline video doorbell
specifically in an old HomeKit Insider
from five

967
00:40:43,916 --> 00:40:45,386
years ago. And I was like, you know what,

968
00:40:45,386 --> 00:40:48,153
you're right, buddy. But here's how long
I've been covering it.

969
00:40:48,153 --> 00:40:50,699
Here's a link to me talking about that
exact doorbell five years ago.

970
00:40:50,699 --> 00:40:53,481
And I was like, I don't know. Maybe I
should have just ignored him.

971
00:40:53,481 --> 00:40:56,733
But sometimes I do that. I know.

972
00:40:54,154 --> 00:40:58,645
Well, I don't ignore a lot of people but
there is but hold on

973
00:40:56,733 --> 00:40:57,733
know.

974
00:40:58,645 --> 00:41:01,576
there's actually three things I'm to say
really quickly here as long

975
00:41:00,854 --> 00:41:01,854
three things, okay.

976
00:41:01,576 --> 00:41:04,387
as I don't forget them The first one is
the PR person from door dash

977
00:41:04,387 --> 00:41:07,818
was not responding to people who responded
to him He was literally just searching

978
00:41:07,818 --> 00:41:11,159
for mentions of door dash on x and then
just responding to those people

979
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,660
out of the blue He's just dropping into
people's replies all mad about whatever
they

980
00:41:11,308 --> 00:41:12,400
Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that.

981
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:19,901
said about door dash and this person and
whatever that's like that's bananas Don't

982
00:41:19,901 --> 00:41:22,932
do that, especially if you're supposed to
be the PR person

983
00:41:20,756 --> 00:41:21,756
Yeah, don't do that.

984
00:41:23,526 --> 00:41:27,176
Secondly, there is a measure you should
have.

985
00:41:27,176 --> 00:41:29,258
There's like this filter in the back of
your mind of like,

986
00:41:29,258 --> 00:41:34,139
what will the pain be if I do respond to
this versus what satisfaction will

987
00:41:34,139 --> 00:41:35,940
I get out of responding to this?

988
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:41,621
And you do have to like be able to gauge
that and just sort of judge like what

989
00:41:41,621 --> 00:41:45,352
you should respond to. And sometimes like
the only response is like,

990
00:41:45,352 --> 00:41:48,393
you seem nice, right? Like you don't want,

991
00:41:48,393 --> 00:41:50,764
you can just, and it will get it out of
you because.

992
00:41:51,314 --> 00:41:52,625
And because the third thing is,

993
00:41:52,625 --> 00:41:56,608
this is just how some people make it
through their day is,

994
00:41:56,608 --> 00:41:59,290
I know a thing and that person was wrong
and they have a platform.

995
00:41:59,290 --> 00:42:01,032
So if I pointed out that makes me better
than them,

996
00:42:01,032 --> 00:42:04,405
like just let them have it. Sometimes you
just know when I say let them have it.

997
00:42:04,405 --> 00:42:07,758
I mean, let them have in their mind their
superiority.

998
00:42:07,758 --> 00:42:09,840
Don't let them have it like punch them in
the mouth.

999
00:42:08,458 --> 00:42:12,379
Right. And sometimes silence is the best
comeback.

1000
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,243
And. Absolutely,

1001
00:42:12,379 --> 00:42:14,064
Because then, yeah.

1002
00:42:13,243 --> 00:42:17,106
because there was a person who kept
responding to some of our videos about

1003
00:42:17,106 --> 00:42:19,288
how basically the MacBook Neo is.

1004
00:42:19,698 --> 00:42:24,714
Satan spawn and should never exist in
anyone who says that it is I think

1005
00:42:24,714 --> 00:42:28,229
the person actually said that my family
might get into a car accident because

1006
00:42:28,229 --> 00:42:30,902
I was a liar. ~ yeah, it's real real bad.

1007
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,951
really? I missed that.

1008
00:42:30,902 --> 00:42:33,595
And I was like, Yeah, I don't think I'm
responding anymore because

1009
00:42:33,595 --> 00:42:35,308
you are clearly unwell.

1010
00:42:33,916 --> 00:42:34,936
No, no, no

1011
00:42:35,417 --> 00:42:37,018
Yeah, no clearly no comments like that.

1012
00:42:37,018 --> 00:42:41,981
Yeah, but like I also had The stupidest
video go viral recently which

1013
00:42:42,002 --> 00:42:46,335
I shared my speed test of like seven
gigabits And it has a million views

1014
00:42:46,335 --> 00:42:49,667
on instagram and a million views on tik
tok and so obviously there's

1015
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:54,851
a ton of comments and like To be fair most
people are either funny or nice

1016
00:42:55,151 --> 00:42:59,944
and our our audience is amazing and like
we rarely get that these kinds

1017
00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:02,156
of comments one guy

1018
00:43:02,956 --> 00:43:06,636
And you never know what attitude is really
behind it.

1019
00:43:06,636 --> 00:43:09,256
But one guy commented, well, at least I
have hair.

1020
00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:12,336
I was like, well, my internet speed blew
mine off.

1021
00:43:12,336 --> 00:43:14,176
And I felt like that was a reasonable
enough comeback,

1022
00:43:14,176 --> 00:43:16,556
and I moved on. That's pretty good,

1023
00:43:14,937 --> 00:43:15,937
That's pretty good.

1024
00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:19,476
stuff like that. I guess, yeah,

1025
00:43:19,476 --> 00:43:22,596
when someone is like, you obviously don't
know what you're talking about about Smart

1026
00:43:22,596 --> 00:43:26,256
Home, I'm like, bro. But there's also no
point in defending it,

1027
00:43:26,256 --> 00:43:27,256
so I don't know.

1028
00:43:26,306 --> 00:43:27,306
Yeah, I mean, there

1029
00:43:26,877 --> 00:43:29,529
are times. So, OK, here's I don't know why
we're spending this much time.

1030
00:43:29,529 --> 00:43:33,894
Sorry. But there are times when I feel
like someone is sincerely contrarian,

1031
00:43:33,894 --> 00:43:35,586
meaning they're pointing out something,

1032
00:43:35,586 --> 00:43:40,040
but they're they just they're sincere
about it and they think they're helping

1033
00:43:38,924 --> 00:43:41,442
Yeah. Right.

1034
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,953
you in a way. Right. Like it's not the you
moron.

1035
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:44,715
Whatever. How could you miss something so
obvious?

1036
00:43:43,972 --> 00:43:44,972
Right, right, right,

1037
00:43:44,715 --> 00:43:48,317
Those I tend to ignore. But the ones who
are like sincere,

1038
00:43:48,317 --> 00:43:49,400
I'll be like, yeah, because.

1039
00:43:49,785 --> 00:43:50,785
Yeah.

1040
00:43:49,796 --> 00:43:52,456
people don't seem to understand that you
can't possibly include

1041
00:43:52,456 --> 00:43:53,896
all of your knowledge in one video.

1042
00:43:53,896 --> 00:43:57,596
And they think the same thing about every
600 word article that I write is like,

1043
00:43:57,486 --> 00:43:58,486
Yeah.

1044
00:43:57,596 --> 00:44:01,136
let me just point you to like the 42 other
times I wrote about that,

1045
00:44:01,136 --> 00:44:02,136
like

1046
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:02,540
Right,

1047
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,100
right, right. Yeah, yeah, it's tough.

1048
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,180
Anyway, this is what it's like to create
stuff online,

1049
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:07,000
in case you were wondering. So,

1050
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,960
I don't know, I just need to get that off
my chest,

1051
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,960
I guess. all right, let's take...

1052
00:44:10,114 --> 00:44:12,035
I'm glad you have a podcast because that's
how we do it.

1053
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,360
That's literally what it's for.

1054
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,820
All right, a couple of... I don't know
about lightning round,

1055
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:16,820
we'll see how fast we get through these,

1056
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,360
but Apple is some Siri engineers to an AI
coding boot camp.

1057
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,060
I thought this was interesting for a few
reasons.

1058
00:44:25,315 --> 00:44:28,280
This feels like you got sent to an anger
management class because you went

1059
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,280
off on the intern.

1060
00:44:30,467 --> 00:44:32,887
So this is the information is reporting
it.

1061
00:44:32,887 --> 00:44:37,027
Part of it seems like maybe it's so the
Siri team can learn how to

1062
00:44:37,027 --> 00:44:43,367
use tools like Claude code and open AI
codecs for pro Jason vibe coded app.

1063
00:44:40,163 --> 00:44:41,543
I'll teach them. I'll show them.

1064
00:44:43,367 --> 00:44:48,347
And so part of is that what I think this
also reveals though is like while Apple

1065
00:44:48,347 --> 00:44:53,047
has signed a deal with Gemini and Gemini
will be powering,

1066
00:44:53,047 --> 00:44:59,015
you know, the voice assistant come iOS 27
maybe we think that Apple still like.

1067
00:44:59,171 --> 00:45:03,093
apparently is trying to get their own
internal team up to snuff to maybe work

1068
00:45:03,093 --> 00:45:04,735
on this stuff. And so, you know,

1069
00:45:03,779 --> 00:45:04,779
Yeah.

1070
00:45:04,735 --> 00:45:05,735
there's that question of like,

1071
00:45:05,695 --> 00:45:08,147
Apple still going to be working on its own
models while they're using Gemini

1072
00:45:08,147 --> 00:45:09,828
in the meantime? It seems like yes.

1073
00:45:09,828 --> 00:45:13,020
I mean, if they're sending engineers to a
boot camp to use these tools,

1074
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,821
I imagine because they're working on Apple
intelligence models.

1075
00:45:15,821 --> 00:45:18,083
It also might be for like integration
purposes,

1076
00:45:18,083 --> 00:45:21,405
like how to integrate Gemini into iOS and
things like that.

1077
00:45:21,405 --> 00:45:23,276
But I don't know, it's probably a good
sign,

1078
00:45:23,276 --> 00:45:24,437
right? They're sending people.

1079
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:24,809
I mean, I read

1080
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:31,026
this as they want engineers to use cloud
code to make apps

1081
00:45:30,463 --> 00:45:31,463
Right.

1082
00:45:31,347 --> 00:45:34,810
and they're sending them to a boot camp to
basically figure out how to

1083
00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:36,492
do what I took like 10 minutes to do,

1084
00:45:36,492 --> 00:45:38,113
but I didn't have to unlearn anything.

1085
00:45:38,113 --> 00:45:40,185
Like I didn't have to unlearn how to write
code.

1086
00:45:39,362 --> 00:45:40,362
true.

1087
00:45:40,185 --> 00:45:42,718
And so I feel like this is what they're
trying to do is like,

1088
00:45:42,718 --> 00:45:46,431
I don't know that it's like learn how to
make models.

1089
00:45:46,431 --> 00:45:47,901
I think it's learn how to use.

1090
00:45:49,593 --> 00:45:52,667
I don't know. This is an interesting story
because the fact that they're

1091
00:45:52,667 --> 00:45:55,523
the Siri engineers says something.

1092
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:55,250
Right.

1093
00:45:55,523 --> 00:45:57,466
I don't know. Like I'm not sure.

1094
00:45:56,906 --> 00:45:57,906
It's interesting.

1095
00:45:57,717 --> 00:46:00,308
Yeah, yeah. So interesting tidbit.

1096
00:46:00,308 --> 00:46:02,760
That's from the information, but we'll
link the 905 Mac article.

1097
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,723
Also a big deal. Amazon bought Global
Star,

1098
00:46:06,723 --> 00:46:11,646
which is a satellite provider for 11 and a
half billion dollars in cash.

1099
00:46:11,646 --> 00:46:17,580
Notably, Global Star was the satellite
provider for Apple's iPhone satellite

1100
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:23,134
SOS feature. But some interesting points
about like the number of satellites.

1101
00:46:23,134 --> 00:46:24,995
So Amazon Leo

1102
00:46:25,389 --> 00:46:28,500
which is Amazon Satellite Internet
Service,

1103
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:31,181
which they have partnerships with people
like Delta.

1104
00:46:31,181 --> 00:46:35,422
Amazon Leo has 200 satellites up in low
Earth orbit right now.

1105
00:46:35,422 --> 00:46:39,223
They've aiming for 1,600 by July,

1106
00:46:39,223 --> 00:46:42,344
so just in a few months. In comparison,

1107
00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:45,505
Starlink, Elon Musk's satellite internet,

1108
00:46:45,505 --> 00:46:47,765
has more than 10,000 satellites,

1109
00:46:47,765 --> 00:46:50,926
so a lot more. And Globalstar,

1110
00:46:50,926 --> 00:46:52,867
the company Amazon has just acquired,

1111
00:46:52,867 --> 00:46:54,243
had 24.

1112
00:46:55,073 --> 00:46:58,486
like, like two four, like, like double
dozen.

1113
00:46:55,105 --> 00:46:56,105
Yeah.

1114
00:46:58,486 --> 00:47:02,099
And so global star had did not have a ton
of satellites in there.

1115
00:47:02,099 --> 00:47:07,094
But in acquiring global star, Amazon has
said it has struck a deal,

1116
00:47:07,094 --> 00:47:10,797
an agreement with Apple to continue
providing satellite connectivity

1117
00:47:11,098 --> 00:47:14,961
for the iPhone satellite SOS and now the
Apple watch ultra three also

1118
00:47:14,961 --> 00:47:19,666
the satellite SOS. So Apple will be
partnered with Amazon for at least this

1119
00:47:19,666 --> 00:47:21,107
one feature satellite connectivity.

1120
00:47:21,357 --> 00:47:24,259
Well, and ~ Apple own, think, 20 % of
global stars.

1121
00:47:24,259 --> 00:47:25,920
So in order for Amazon to buy it,

1122
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,853
Apple actually, there's like a three way
negotiation going on here because they,

1123
00:47:29,026 --> 00:47:30,026
Red.

1124
00:47:29,853 --> 00:47:34,236
and there was also, so basically Apple got
paid to just not have to do anything.

1125
00:47:34,236 --> 00:47:37,739
It's like they had to buy our share and
we'll just keep using the service.

1126
00:47:37,739 --> 00:47:41,001
Great. ~ I think it's interesting though,

1127
00:47:37,944 --> 00:47:38,944
Right.

1128
00:47:41,001 --> 00:47:47,916
because it's pretty clear that Amazon is
trying to mount a serious like fight

1129
00:47:47,149 --> 00:47:48,149
satellite stuff.

1130
00:47:47,916 --> 00:47:49,217
against Starlink.

1131
00:47:49,268 --> 00:47:50,268
Yeah.

1132
00:47:49,643 --> 00:47:50,643
Because

1133
00:47:49,963 --> 00:47:53,115
Starlink is the default it is it was
quickly becoming the default

1134
00:47:53,115 --> 00:47:58,488
on there on airplanes United jet blue use
them several Emirates I think uses them

1135
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,520
Hmm.

1136
00:47:59,128 --> 00:48:01,089
and But then Delta didn't go with
Starlink,

1137
00:48:01,089 --> 00:48:04,371
which I thought was really interesting
that they went with Amazon Leo

1138
00:48:04,391 --> 00:48:08,123
Leo stands for lower Earth orbit They also
just decided to personify it

1139
00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:07,015
Right. ~

1140
00:48:08,123 --> 00:48:11,125
and turn it into their brand. That's fine
~ But yes,

1141
00:48:11,125 --> 00:48:13,956
they have some catching up to do in terms
of their constellation.

1142
00:48:13,956 --> 00:48:15,417
They operate slightly differently,

1143
00:48:15,417 --> 00:48:19,039
but regardless it is interesting because

1144
00:48:19,399 --> 00:48:23,952
Currently Starlink is almost I mean they
do actually you can consumers

1145
00:48:23,952 --> 00:48:28,074
can buy them right you can buy the thing
the small satellites They're really
popular

1146
00:48:24,946 --> 00:48:25,946
Yeah.

1147
00:48:28,074 --> 00:48:32,997
for people like who travel RVs Whatever
you want to stay connected or if

1148
00:48:29,881 --> 00:48:31,053
RVs, yeah.

1149
00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:38,861
you live in a rural area That just isn't
served well by like wires in the ground.

1150
00:48:38,088 --> 00:48:39,381
traditional. Yeah.

1151
00:48:38,861 --> 00:48:40,692
Yeah, either fiber or cable or whatever.

1152
00:48:40,692 --> 00:48:43,974
That's true But what Amazon Leo just got?

1153
00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:47,722
was a billion iPhones. Now, not all
iPhones are gonna support this,

1154
00:48:47,722 --> 00:48:54,336
obviously. Except all of those people on
iPhone Xs and XIs and XIIs still

1155
00:48:48,648 --> 00:48:50,788
As iPhone 14 and newer, if everybody
remembers.

1156
00:48:54,336 --> 00:48:56,027
are eventually going to be upgrading.

1157
00:48:55,974 --> 00:48:56,974
Yay.

1158
00:48:56,027 --> 00:48:57,979
So there's a billion people using iPhones.

1159
00:48:57,979 --> 00:49:02,631
You just got the potential market that
just dwarfs anything that Starlink could

1160
00:49:02,631 --> 00:49:03,631
compete with.

1161
00:49:03,292 --> 00:49:06,072
Yeah, but there's no monetary benefit to
Amazon.

1162
00:49:06,072 --> 00:49:08,892
Well, yet. And that was a point I was
going to make.

1163
00:49:08,892 --> 00:49:12,152
When Apple first announced the satellite
SOS with the iPhone 14,

1164
00:49:12,152 --> 00:49:17,212
they said it was going to be free for the
first two years and then never mentioned

1165
00:49:17,212 --> 00:49:23,292
how much it might cost in the future and
hasn't since ever talked about what

1166
00:49:23,292 --> 00:49:25,792
it would cost or have ever charged for it.

1167
00:49:25,792 --> 00:49:27,692
And I think Apple just keeps saying like,

1168
00:49:27,692 --> 00:49:30,772
yeah, you get free satellite when you
purchase a new device.

1169
00:49:30,772 --> 00:49:32,172
And but there's like

1170
00:49:32,374 --> 00:49:35,631
No mention of how much this might cost to
have satellite connectivity.

1171
00:49:35,631 --> 00:49:38,998
Apple Watch Ultra 3 as well, like when
that came out they didn't say cost.

1172
00:49:38,998 --> 00:49:41,474
So maybe we'll actually see.

1173
00:49:40,528 --> 00:49:41,528
Yeah, but Apple

1174
00:49:41,498 --> 00:49:45,852
is clearly paying for it. Like Amazon is
not just out of the goodness

1175
00:49:43,545 --> 00:49:44,545
Apple's paying for it, yeah.

1176
00:49:45,852 --> 00:49:51,656
of Jeff Bezos is stone cold heart giving
away free satellite service to anyone.

1177
00:49:48,614 --> 00:49:52,292
For sure, for sure.

1178
00:49:51,656 --> 00:49:57,560
So I'm just saying there is a huge
monetary benefit to as and and you're
right,

1179
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,444
like if it only works on recent iPhones in
the most recent Apple Watch Ultra,

1180
00:50:02,444 --> 00:50:03,444
that's.

1181
00:50:02,894 --> 00:50:04,235
That's not that huge of a market,

1182
00:50:04,235 --> 00:50:06,946
but eventually it will be as all of those
people upgrade.

1183
00:50:05,872 --> 00:50:06,872
Yeah.

1184
00:50:06,946 --> 00:50:09,469
And so there will be real monetary
benefit.

1185
00:50:09,469 --> 00:50:12,291
And even still, even if it's not like
we're just making cash off of this,

1186
00:50:12,291 --> 00:50:18,796
you have locked out the biggest competitor
in the market by having a billion users.

1187
00:50:14,886 --> 00:50:17,477
competition right

1188
00:50:18,796 --> 00:50:22,657
that is true I almost bought starlink
because when we were building this house

1189
00:50:22,917 --> 00:50:25,588
frontier and spectrum the two service
providers were both like yeah

1190
00:50:25,588 --> 00:50:29,679
we don't service your address and so I
literally ordered starlink and

1191
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,470
it was like coming and when we finally got
an address registered at

1192
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:38,051
the post office I called frontier fiber
again and they were like yeah yeah

1193
00:50:38,051 --> 00:50:40,268
we service yeah we're all up and down this
tree I'm like why couldn't

1194
00:50:40,268 --> 00:50:41,722
you say that the first time like

1195
00:50:41,954 --> 00:50:44,514
But it's because we didn't have like a
physical address listed yet,

1196
00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:46,334
like in their system every time I called
they were like,

1197
00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:48,034
oh yeah, we're not there. So anyway,

1198
00:50:48,034 --> 00:50:51,714
was almost did. It didn't,

1199
00:50:48,634 --> 00:50:50,717
Your address literally didn't exist.

1200
00:50:50,717 --> 00:50:53,277
So of course they weren't serving that
address yet,

1201
00:50:51,714 --> 00:50:55,474
I was literally sending them pictures of
like the house being constructed.

1202
00:50:53,277 --> 00:50:54,277
but

1203
00:50:55,474 --> 00:50:56,934
I'm like, I know the address doesn't
exist,

1204
00:50:56,934 --> 00:50:58,454
but we're right here. Can you see this?

1205
00:50:58,454 --> 00:50:59,454
But anyway, yeah.

1206
00:50:59,028 --> 00:51:00,028
I can

1207
00:50:59,318 --> 00:51:01,702
see your box in the ground. Can you just
run another court?

1208
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:02,445
That's it.

1209
00:51:01,702 --> 00:51:04,477
Well, the problem for you is that if you
had gotten Starlink,

1210
00:51:04,477 --> 00:51:06,330
there's no way you would have gotten those
Internet speeds.

1211
00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:08,544
no, definitely not. I also have a bunch of
trees in my area,

1212
00:51:08,544 --> 00:51:11,699
so that satellite would have to have been
on a pole that's like 20 stories tall.

1213
00:51:11,699 --> 00:51:14,043
That wouldn't have worked. But I think,

1214
00:51:14,043 --> 00:51:15,327
Jason, you'll be excited about this news.

1215
00:51:15,327 --> 00:51:16,327
I don't know if you heard about it.

1216
00:51:16,217 --> 00:51:18,240
Did know you could turn off shorts now in
the YouTube app?

1217
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:19,916
Yeah, but it's weird.

1218
00:51:20,362 --> 00:51:23,233
It's weird, it's a screen time limit.

1219
00:51:22,262 --> 00:51:24,005
It's like a parental feature, right?

1220
00:51:23,233 --> 00:51:27,165
It's a parental feature. Yeah,

1221
00:51:24,005 --> 00:51:26,279
Like, so you can turn them off on
yourself.

1222
00:51:27,165 --> 00:51:30,676
basically you can set the amount of time
you can spend scrolling shorts

1223
00:51:30,816 --> 00:51:33,817
specifically, and if you set it to zero
minutes,

1224
00:51:33,817 --> 00:51:38,059
it will apparently hide shorts from your
YouTube app.

1225
00:51:37,612 --> 00:51:39,452
But it also is only on the phone.

1226
00:51:38,059 --> 00:51:40,220
it is only on the...

1227
00:51:40,353 --> 00:51:42,593
And I never use YouTube on the phone ever.

1228
00:51:42,593 --> 00:51:45,334
I only use it on I only use it on my
desktop.

1229
00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:44,340
Really?

1230
00:51:45,334 --> 00:51:47,775
Like I know people use YouTube on their
phone.

1231
00:51:47,775 --> 00:51:52,746
I don't understand that. The only time I
ever do is if I want to just quickly like

1232
00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:48,850
I watch it wonderful.

1233
00:51:52,746 --> 00:51:55,754
either resume something that I had
previously started watching or

1234
00:51:55,573 --> 00:51:56,573
Yeah.

1235
00:51:55,754 --> 00:51:58,208
I actually just mostly use it for history.

1236
00:51:58,208 --> 00:52:00,558
If I'm talking to somebody about a YouTube
video I found and I was like,

1237
00:52:00,558 --> 00:52:02,529
let me go back so can send this to you
real quick.

1238
00:52:02,529 --> 00:52:04,139
That's it. I don't like sit down and be
like,

1239
00:52:02,678 --> 00:52:03,678
Yeah.

1240
00:52:04,139 --> 00:52:07,020
let me watch Stephen's latest shortcut
video on my phone.

1241
00:52:07,414 --> 00:52:08,485
Well, those are pretty long. Yeah,

1242
00:52:08,485 --> 00:52:11,447
I wouldn't do that. But like if I'm ever
going to sit down at lunch and I

1243
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,080
You

1244
00:52:11,447 --> 00:52:15,653
go out on my patio, I might throw on a
John Green or Hank Green video

1245
00:52:15,653 --> 00:52:17,755
or just see what's on the YouTube
homepage.

1246
00:52:18,249 --> 00:52:19,249
You

1247
00:52:19,475 --> 00:52:22,938
go out on your patio in beautiful Florida
to have lunch and then

1248
00:52:20,877 --> 00:52:23,201
Yeah. Yeah.

1249
00:52:22,938 --> 00:52:23,938
you look at YouTube.

1250
00:52:23,791 --> 00:52:27,597
Well, I listened to it. Those videos
aren't like visual type things.

1251
00:52:27,597 --> 00:52:29,560
I listened to it like it's podcast.

1252
00:52:28,964 --> 00:52:29,964
I'm saying look

1253
00:52:29,655 --> 00:52:34,062
just get in the pool or look at the look
at the sky.

1254
00:52:33,188 --> 00:52:34,188
The full I

1255
00:52:34,128 --> 00:52:36,399
knew both the time was I'll tell you know
if I just throw some in

1256
00:52:36,399 --> 00:52:40,080
my airpods anyway So that YouTube shorts
is pulling you turn off.

1257
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,411
There's an Apple pay hack. I don't even
saw this This is by

1258
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:50,467
the YouTube channel Veritasim that you say
Veritasium excuse me

1259
00:52:48,372 --> 00:52:49,372
Viritasium.

1260
00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:56,609
and so they partnered with MKBHD on this
video and they have Demonstrated

1261
00:52:56,609 --> 00:53:00,370
and revealed MKBHD looks very concerned in
this video that there is

1262
00:53:00,370 --> 00:53:01,620
an Apple pay hack

1263
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:07,814
that could allow someone to scam an amount
of money from an iPhone even when

1264
00:53:07,814 --> 00:53:12,097
it is locked. And they actually do it in
front of MKBHD and he can

1265
00:53:12,097 --> 00:53:15,290
see the $10,000 payment taken immediately.

1266
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:18,122
It's a hilarious video. I will link it in
the show notes.

1267
00:53:18,122 --> 00:53:23,225
Basically what this is is a Express
Transit,

1268
00:53:23,225 --> 00:53:28,449
the feature on your iPhone where you can
set up a card in your Apple Wallet

1269
00:53:28,449 --> 00:53:29,449
for transit.

1270
00:53:30,038 --> 00:53:32,798
and you don't even have to unlock your
device to use it.

1271
00:53:32,798 --> 00:53:35,478
You can just tap your iPhone when you're
getting on the subway

1272
00:53:35,478 --> 00:53:38,157
and it will automatically charge without
being unlocked,

1273
00:53:38,157 --> 00:53:39,498
without even looking at your phone.

1274
00:53:39,498 --> 00:53:41,498
You can set it up on your Apple Watch too.

1275
00:53:41,498 --> 00:53:48,118
Well apparently the Veritasium figured out
you can like write the script that runs

1276
00:53:48,118 --> 00:53:54,118
and if you hold a device to an iPhone
that's set up with Express Transit card

1277
00:53:54,118 --> 00:53:57,618
you can basically make it do a payment,

1278
00:53:57,618 --> 00:53:59,038
like make it do the process.

1279
00:53:59,495 --> 00:54:01,736
and get whatever money you've specified
out of it.

1280
00:54:01,736 --> 00:54:04,598
Apparently this vulnerability has been
around for years.

1281
00:54:04,598 --> 00:54:09,650
~ Like multiple years this has been out
there and it's still not fixed even

1282
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:11,301
in the most current versions of iOS.

1283
00:54:11,301 --> 00:54:14,793
So again, you would have to have an
Express Transit card set up,

1284
00:54:14,793 --> 00:54:18,035
have that feature on, and someone has to
be able to like get close enough

1285
00:54:18,035 --> 00:54:20,576
to your phone to actually tap it and then
also might be running a script

1286
00:54:20,576 --> 00:54:25,218
on a computer nearby. But it does seem
like a pretty serious vulnerability

1287
00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:22,792
Right.

1288
00:54:25,218 --> 00:54:28,320
for Apple to not have addressed it even up
until now after several years.

1289
00:54:27,624 --> 00:54:28,624
Yeah. I mean,

1290
00:54:28,375 --> 00:54:32,117
I think essentially what's happening is if
you can make a payment terminal

1291
00:54:32,198 --> 00:54:35,620
act as though it's an express like transit
terminal,

1292
00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:37,962
then you can get someone's locked phone to
do that.

1293
00:54:37,962 --> 00:54:42,966
I think the only, the only thing that's
fun about this is that like they took

1294
00:54:42,966 --> 00:54:47,690
$10,000 from MKBHD. The flex there is that
MKBHD on his phone has

1295
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:50,392
the ability for one of his cars to just
tap to $10,000.

1296
00:54:50,392 --> 00:54:51,392
yeah.

1297
00:54:50,486 --> 00:54:53,386
Ten, ten grand, yeah exactly. Yes.

1298
00:54:53,566 --> 00:54:55,506
So I mean, I imagine now that this video
is out,

1299
00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,786
hopefully I will fix it pretty soon,

1300
00:54:56,786 --> 00:54:59,766
maybe in iOS 26.5, maybe it's a harder
problem than I realized.

1301
00:54:59,766 --> 00:55:02,010
Maybe that's why the Siri team's going to
the code camp.

1302
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:05,848
yeah, so that they can just, Clog can take
their $10,000 instead.

1303
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:05,700
Yeah,

1304
00:55:05,941 --> 00:55:08,621
well hopefully Clark can help him fix it.

1305
00:55:08,621 --> 00:55:09,942
We'll see what she turns out to be.

1306
00:55:09,942 --> 00:55:14,660
Just today DJI officially announced the
Osmo Pocket 4.

1307
00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:17,734
It is a one-inch sensor, other
improvements,

1308
00:55:17,734 --> 00:55:19,644
and now does better slo-mo footage.

1309
00:55:19,644 --> 00:55:23,525
Not available in the US. I was literally
gonna buy it today because I

1310
00:55:23,525 --> 00:55:25,126
use the Osmo every time I travel.

1311
00:55:25,126 --> 00:55:27,566
You can't buy it in the US. It's not
coming.

1312
00:55:27,566 --> 00:55:33,628
Apparently it even has a light but I can't
get it which is a...

1313
00:55:27,735 --> 00:55:28,735
has a light.

1314
00:55:30,580 --> 00:55:33,685
A fill light. Can you get

1315
00:55:33,685 --> 00:55:35,587
it on like Alibaba or something like that?

1316
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:37,782
I'll have to check. have to check.

1317
00:55:37,782 --> 00:55:42,486
I don't know if this is because of the
like import ban thing or if it's just

1318
00:55:43,428 --> 00:55:44,889
I don't know. They're not releasing it in
the US,

1319
00:55:44,889 --> 00:55:47,972
but I don't know. Let us know if you can
see it where you could buy it.

1320
00:55:47,972 --> 00:55:50,314
You can click the link in the their X
post,

1321
00:55:50,314 --> 00:55:52,837
but for here in the US it just shows page
not found.

1322
00:55:52,837 --> 00:55:54,719
So can't get it.

1323
00:55:55,216 --> 00:55:56,216
So is there anything

1324
00:55:55,997 --> 00:55:58,882
about your current one that you don't like
that you would want to buy another one?

1325
00:55:58,882 --> 00:56:01,916
This is why people think I don't like
technology because I ask these kinds

1326
00:55:59,286 --> 00:56:00,286
The one

1327
00:56:01,916 --> 00:56:02,916
of questions.

1328
00:56:03,213 --> 00:56:05,920
Why do you hate the Osmo pocket Jason?

1329
00:56:05,608 --> 00:56:06,608
I have

1330
00:56:06,221 --> 00:56:08,060
one sitting in a drawer right over here.

1331
00:56:08,822 --> 00:56:14,633
The only feature that I would upgrade for
is if it could do 4K vertical video.

1332
00:56:14,633 --> 00:56:19,475
Because right now I do use my Osmo Pocket
3 to film vertical videos and

1333
00:56:19,475 --> 00:56:24,376
it crops it to like 2.5K because the
sensor is horizontal.

1334
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:25,142
Yeah, the orientation of the center,

1335
00:56:24,376 --> 00:56:29,244
And so if it doesn't, I did not read that
that is a feature of the Osmo Pocket

1336
00:56:25,142 --> 00:56:26,142
yeah.

1337
00:56:29,244 --> 00:56:30,717
4 that it could do 4K vertically.

1338
00:56:30,717 --> 00:56:33,778
So I probably wouldn't upgrade.

1339
00:56:33,778 --> 00:56:36,179
And the sensor's fine, like for what I use
it for.

1340
00:56:34,284 --> 00:56:35,284
Got it.

1341
00:56:36,179 --> 00:56:37,979
But when that happens...

1342
00:56:38,371 --> 00:56:43,484
4k vertical video then I'll upgrade I
still export only 1080p vertical videos

1343
00:56:43,484 --> 00:56:47,697
for reels and tik tok but I would like the
flexibility of recording 4k so

1344
00:56:47,697 --> 00:56:51,109
I can then crop it into whatever I want
but anyway it's out there at least

1345
00:56:49,675 --> 00:56:50,675
Yeah.

1346
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:55,992
if you're not in the US Microsoft is
exploring open claw type agents

1347
00:56:55,992 --> 00:56:58,313
in copilot I think I mentioned on last
week's episode that I actually

1348
00:56:58,313 --> 00:57:02,096
got to interview like the Microsoft VP
over AI teams or whatever and

1349
00:57:02,096 --> 00:57:04,257
he was talking about this literally as I
was interviewing him

1350
00:57:04,565 --> 00:57:07,007
It's actually for a sane box mini series
podcast.

1351
00:57:07,007 --> 00:57:08,839
The first episode is out there if you're
interested,

1352
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:11,691
but Like the guy was interviewing.

1353
00:57:11,691 --> 00:57:14,269
He was like, yeah, I got my co-pilot agent
running over here.

1354
00:57:14,269 --> 00:57:15,885
I got open claw running over here.

1355
00:57:15,885 --> 00:57:18,487
So, okay Everybody's running agents.

1356
00:57:18,487 --> 00:57:21,090
Okay, cool I don't know

1357
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:22,679
Is open claw

1358
00:57:22,571 --> 00:57:27,388
just like the shorthand for rogue agents
running on a Mac mini somewhere is that.

1359
00:57:27,093 --> 00:57:29,189
I think that is now the term. Do

1360
00:57:27,388 --> 00:57:29,071
OK.

1361
00:57:29,189 --> 00:57:30,351
you know there's even a convention?

1362
00:57:30,351 --> 00:57:32,617
ClawCon? Like...

1363
00:57:32,253 --> 00:57:33,253
I do

1364
00:57:32,643 --> 00:57:36,375
think that it is a con. Yes, but I think
that this is I don't why

1365
00:57:36,375 --> 00:57:41,987
do companies think that I don't I mean
that this is a good idea

1366
00:57:39,243 --> 00:57:40,243
Why do companies think what?

1367
00:57:42,167 --> 00:57:46,209
to unleash these things on to people like
the outcome.

1368
00:57:46,209 --> 00:57:48,800
The best case scenario outcome is amazing.

1369
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,691
You have a computer that can do computer
things on its own on your behalf.

1370
00:57:52,691 --> 00:57:54,342
That's just not the way it's actually
going to work.

1371
00:57:54,342 --> 00:57:57,843
You're going to have computers doing
computer things that the computer thinks

1372
00:57:57,843 --> 00:58:00,334
the computer should be doing, whether you
like it or not.

1373
00:58:00,334 --> 00:58:01,461
Well, so I've

1374
00:58:01,164 --> 00:58:02,164
and suddenly

1375
00:58:02,055 --> 00:58:05,420
$10,000 is missing from MKBHD's bank
account.

1376
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:10,221
Clawcon is actually happening today as we
record by the way in

1377
00:58:10,221 --> 00:58:14,101
Ann Arbor Clawcon Oh Yeah,

1378
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:13,018
that's just down the road.

1379
00:58:14,101 --> 00:58:19,361
that's the end. You should go to Clawcon
You gotta head out of there,

1380
00:58:16,469 --> 00:58:17,929
I gotta go, see you, hang on.

1381
00:58:19,361 --> 00:58:23,201
but apparently it's all over there's a so
clock on Michigan that's happening

1382
00:58:23,201 --> 00:58:26,241
literally today Sao Paulo is 20.

1383
00:58:26,241 --> 00:58:27,241
Yeah, it's all it's

1384
00:58:26,386 --> 00:58:27,386
I would be

1385
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,125
thrilled if that thing would just destroy
that Michigan Stadium.

1386
00:58:30,125 --> 00:58:31,125
That would be amazing.

1387
00:58:31,316 --> 00:58:34,016
What would the mid you don't like
Michigan?

1388
00:58:33,498 --> 00:58:34,825
Please just, yep.

1389
00:58:34,016 --> 00:58:37,156
Oh I say I don't know. Listen,

1390
00:58:37,156 --> 00:58:39,456
we might have some Michigan listeners
reaching out leave us a five-star rating

1391
00:58:39,456 --> 00:58:41,376
on review Let us know Michigan University,

1392
00:58:41,376 --> 00:58:45,256
Michigan State your Michigan State guy
Yeah,

1393
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:44,839
Absolutely.

1394
00:58:45,256 --> 00:58:51,196
that's the most I just like the amount of
brainpower I just used to make that sports

1395
00:58:51,196 --> 00:58:55,976
ball of reference It was like open claw
running on five Mac studios.

1396
00:58:52,244 --> 00:58:53,244
you

1397
00:58:55,293 --> 00:58:56,892
You need a nap.

1398
00:58:55,976 --> 00:58:58,956
I Was I gotta shut down for a while

1399
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:02,323
The computer is, I need a new bird AI.

1400
00:59:02,268 --> 00:59:03,819
I'm mixed. I'm impressed you got it right.

1401
00:59:02,323 --> 00:59:07,408
Thank you. I'll put a link to ClawCon in
the show notes.

1402
00:59:03,819 --> 00:59:04,819
That's good.

1403
00:59:07,408 --> 00:59:10,421
So, it sounds like I've thought about,

1404
00:59:10,421 --> 00:59:12,423
because Claude can literally control your
computer now,

1405
00:59:12,423 --> 00:59:17,558
just the Claude Mac app. And I've thought
about the primary tech daily process,

1406
00:59:17,558 --> 00:59:23,674
which for me means I literally open
podcastconnect.apple.com.

1407
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:26,820
I click over to the show, I click create a
new episode,

1408
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:28,440
I copy paste the title description,

1409
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,840
the artwork, the audio file. I do that
every day,

1410
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,800
literally every day, the same process
every day.

1411
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,340
And then I do the same thing in Transistor
for our member full supporters.

1412
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:39,560
Same exact thing, same title, same
description.

1413
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:46,060
I'm like, this feels like if I were to
take the time to train something like

1414
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:51,160
OpenClaw or whatever, that I could just
say run daily podcasts,

1415
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,160
whatever.

1416
00:59:52,508 --> 00:59:53,741
and it could just do those things.

1417
00:59:53,741 --> 00:59:57,620
And so I'm tempted to see if it is capable
of doing that,

1418
00:59:57,620 --> 01:00:01,198
but also terrified that it would just
click around on my computer.

1419
01:00:01,198 --> 01:00:07,394
Yeah, I mean, the solution to this is you
pay someone $10 an hour to just do that.

1420
01:00:07,394 --> 01:00:09,777
Because if they don't do it right,

1421
01:00:09,777 --> 01:00:11,569
they haven't emptied your bank account,

1422
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:12,569
you just fire them.

1423
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,194
But it also takes, like the time it takes
is very minimal.

1424
01:00:17,194 --> 01:00:20,777
And like, if you were to watch me do it,

1425
01:00:20,777 --> 01:00:24,441
I think it's probably under three minutes
to do those tasks.

1426
01:00:23,773 --> 01:00:24,773
Sure. So

1427
01:00:24,653 --> 01:00:29,973
it costs you $10 a week. I will Venmo you
$500 right now so you can

1428
01:00:27,138 --> 01:00:28,138
But...

1429
01:00:29,973 --> 01:00:31,873
pay someone for a year to do that.

1430
01:00:31,873 --> 01:00:33,704
And like it's fine, like it's not even,

1431
01:00:33,704 --> 01:00:36,827
it is any tedious task.

1432
01:00:36,827 --> 01:00:41,921
I try to automate. I first tried to
automate with shortcuts and that works

1433
01:00:41,921 --> 01:00:44,133
a lot of the time. If that doesn't work,

1434
01:00:44,133 --> 01:00:47,156
I'll experiment maybe automating it with
Claude Cowork.

1435
01:00:47,156 --> 01:00:50,298
And just in my shortcuts live stream
yesterday,

1436
01:00:50,298 --> 01:00:53,381
I tried having shortcuts rename a bunch of
files.

1437
01:00:53,381 --> 01:00:55,102
Shortcuts are still not as good at that.

1438
01:00:55,102 --> 01:00:58,905
It'll like duplicate names, have an error
and then stop the process.

1439
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:00,547
And so shortcuts is, and like,

1440
01:01:00,739 --> 01:01:03,559
You could try to build a shortcut that
checks for names every time it's about

1441
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:05,559
to rename another file. It's a pain in the
neck.

1442
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,619
Cowork with Claude does it way better,

1443
01:01:08,619 --> 01:01:12,479
faster, and way less steps. So Claude
Cowork,

1444
01:01:12,479 --> 01:01:13,919
still good for things like that.

1445
01:01:13,919 --> 01:01:17,059
But a task where you actually have to go
to a website,

1446
01:01:17,059 --> 01:01:19,119
like podcastconnect.apple.com,

1447
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,299
and then log in, that's step right there.

1448
01:01:22,299 --> 01:01:24,619
I don't think Claude can do it,

1449
01:01:24,619 --> 01:01:28,939
because I would either have to pass key
authenticate with touch ID,

1450
01:01:28,939 --> 01:01:30,219
or

1451
01:01:30,911 --> 01:01:35,744
let Claude give access to my passwords
extension in

1452
01:01:35,744 --> 01:01:40,346
the browser and auto-fill my passwords for
me and then also put in

1453
01:01:40,346 --> 01:01:44,118
the six digit two-factor code to get into
Podcast Connect and then it's like

1454
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:46,800
in my iCloud. It's in my Apple account.

1455
01:01:46,775 --> 01:01:47,775
Right.

1456
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,262
That doesn't feel great. Would you let it
do that?

1457
01:01:50,262 --> 01:01:52,103
Okay, well, all right.

1458
01:01:50,465 --> 01:01:52,157
No, not a chance. I mean, I also

1459
01:01:52,157 --> 01:01:55,357
probably wouldn't have someone else do it
because I don't really want anyone

1460
01:01:55,357 --> 01:01:56,357
in my iCloud.

1461
01:01:56,823 --> 01:01:57,823
Well,

1462
01:01:56,993 --> 01:02:01,887
that's yeah, that's the thing and I was
there was another task someone

1463
01:02:01,887 --> 01:02:06,090
was trying to have me do and they were
like ~ I was working with a

1464
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:11,648
tax person ~ Because taxes are complicated
and now that I'm self-employed.

1465
01:02:11,648 --> 01:02:14,777
I don't want to mess with anything myself
So I have a tax person,

1466
01:02:14,777 --> 01:02:20,202
but I use my Apple card to Do a lot of
business things like if ever

1467
01:02:20,202 --> 01:02:22,984
I buy something from Apple I use my Apple
card because get 3 % daily cash

1468
01:02:23,605 --> 01:02:25,186
and the tax person was like well

1469
01:02:25,472 --> 01:02:29,806
You can give us an account to this you
create a view only account

1470
01:02:29,806 --> 01:02:32,358
for this bank account So then we can
access that and then you have

1471
01:02:32,358 --> 01:02:35,630
to do anything all year. We're just gonna
handle your books I was like great

1472
01:02:36,131 --> 01:02:37,227
and then like well, about this card?

1473
01:02:37,227 --> 01:02:40,044
It's like, yeah Well, we just authenticate
your card and then we can

1474
01:02:40,044 --> 01:02:41,495
see all the transactions. We don't have X.

1475
01:02:41,495 --> 01:02:45,238
Okay, great Let's do that and then it came
to the Apple card and they were like,

1476
01:02:45,238 --> 01:02:51,434
~ well You can give us access to your
iCloud account I guess because that's what

1477
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:54,376
you need to log into even the card dot
apple.com website

1478
01:02:54,818 --> 01:02:59,418
They're like, well, you can give us access
to that or you could just download your

1479
01:02:59,418 --> 01:03:01,258
statement once a month and upload that to
our portal.

1480
01:03:01,258 --> 01:03:02,598
I'm like, I'm going to do that.

1481
01:03:02,598 --> 01:03:03,958
I'm going to do that. I'm not,

1482
01:03:03,958 --> 01:03:06,478
I'm not giving you access to my iCloud
account.

1483
01:03:06,478 --> 01:03:09,418
that, is unfortunate because it's like
Apple card.

1484
01:03:09,418 --> 01:03:10,978
I would think that'd be a good feature.

1485
01:03:10,978 --> 01:03:14,518
They have like for accountants where you
can like give you only access

1486
01:03:14,518 --> 01:03:18,338
to the transactions, but I'm just going to
download statements and give it to them.

1487
01:03:18,338 --> 01:03:20,038
So anyway.

1488
01:03:19,568 --> 01:03:20,568
Yeah, that's probably

1489
01:03:20,129 --> 01:03:25,077
a better idea. I think that it's just the
true statement to say that

1490
01:03:25,758 --> 01:03:32,008
our information architecture was just not
designed for this sort of thing because

1491
01:03:33,448 --> 01:03:39,140
You can you can decide I want to have a
shared email box with my spouse

1492
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,042
and you know like whether or not you trust
the person to just like

1493
01:03:42,453 --> 01:03:43,453
Right.

1494
01:03:43,182 --> 01:03:45,572
and it's your spouse or whatever or if you
have an assistant you can

1495
01:03:45,572 --> 01:03:48,944
be like I'm gonna give my assistant access
to these three email accounts

1496
01:03:49,244 --> 01:03:54,176
not this one definitely not like all of my
purchases or whatever like whatever

1497
01:03:54,176 --> 01:03:55,176
it might be

1498
01:03:55,498 --> 01:03:58,699
And you like the context you have there is
like it's a human being and so

1499
01:03:58,699 --> 01:04:01,601
if I'm mad at the person or what or just
there's a trust level but a computer

1500
01:04:01,601 --> 01:04:05,572
is a computer and you're like I don't but
you don't know what happens with

1501
01:04:05,572 --> 01:04:10,014
the computer right like you just I don't
know it's just weird also and

1502
01:04:07,178 --> 01:04:09,493
Yeah, I can't look you in the eyes.

1503
01:04:09,493 --> 01:04:10,771
I can't look, Claudio.

1504
01:04:10,014 --> 01:04:14,066
I can't fire you I mean I can stop using
you but by then it's probably just too
late

1505
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:15,220
probably

1506
01:04:14,421 --> 01:04:16,537
too late. Yeah, I can't look it in the
eyes.

1507
01:04:16,537 --> 01:04:18,082
You can't look it in the eyes and
entertain it.

1508
01:04:18,082 --> 01:04:19,082
And I don't want to.

1509
01:04:18,653 --> 01:04:19,653
Unless

1510
01:04:19,077 --> 01:04:20,077
it's wearing a Vision Pro.

1511
01:04:20,247 --> 01:04:21,347
You know what? I'm glad you said that

1512
01:04:21,790 --> 01:04:23,540
I don't know why, but okay.

1513
01:04:23,943 --> 01:04:26,455
Literally rushed to do something before we
recorded today,

1514
01:04:26,455 --> 01:04:30,448
and I totally forgot to talk about it You
can watch the Artemis to launch

1515
01:04:30,448 --> 01:04:35,812
in 360 degree video on Apple vision Pro In
the YouTube app I would encourage

1516
01:04:33,011 --> 01:04:34,011
That's amazing.

1517
01:04:35,812 --> 01:04:39,615
you to do it It's a little underwhelming ~
Only because the quality

1518
01:04:39,615 --> 01:04:44,449
is not great Like it's I don't know it
doesn't it's not like Apple immersive

1519
01:04:44,449 --> 01:04:48,092
quality. It's like I Don't know they put
it into 360.

1520
01:04:48,092 --> 01:04:50,905
I think like a couple hundred feet away
from the launch

1521
01:04:51,151 --> 01:04:52,271
It is cool to be able to do it.

1522
01:04:52,271 --> 01:04:53,331
And so if you have a Vision Pro,

1523
01:04:53,331 --> 01:04:55,131
try it out. It's in the YouTube app.

1524
01:04:55,131 --> 01:04:58,491
You go to the NASA channel. Maybe this is
why YouTube finally launched their

1525
01:04:58,491 --> 01:05:00,471
app in the anticipation of things like
this.

1526
01:05:00,471 --> 01:05:03,171
But you should try it. I'd be curious your
thoughts about it.

1527
01:05:03,055 --> 01:05:04,208
All right.

1528
01:05:03,171 --> 01:05:05,771
actually, I charged my Apple Vision Pro.

1529
01:05:05,771 --> 01:05:09,211
Now I've got to update it because it's got
a Vision OS update that

1530
01:05:09,211 --> 01:05:10,211
I haven't done yet. All right,

1531
01:05:10,191 --> 01:05:12,431
last couple stories, and then we're going
talk about Jason's Vibe-coded apps.

1532
01:05:12,431 --> 01:05:17,095
Wanted to mention, Apple did actually put
some pressure on the Grok app.

1533
01:05:17,591 --> 01:05:21,153
because of some of the deep fakes and
inappropriate images it was generating.

1534
01:05:21,153 --> 01:05:25,694
This was not public, but apparently Apple
threatened to remove Grok from

1535
01:05:25,694 --> 01:05:32,539
the App Store. And I guess they updated
the apps to meet the guidelines,

1536
01:05:32,539 --> 01:05:34,480
and obviously Apple has not kicked them
out.

1537
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,683
Apple reviewed the changes and said that
it resolved some of the violations.

1538
01:05:39,683 --> 01:05:44,576
I think some people still discover that
Grok and XAI does still generate some

1539
01:05:44,576 --> 01:05:47,037
inappropriate images, but Apple did put
some pressure on them.

1540
01:05:49,385 --> 01:05:51,861
you know debatable if it was enough
pressure but they did

1541
01:05:51,704 --> 01:05:52,704
Yeah, I don't

1542
01:05:52,014 --> 01:05:53,845
know if this is a good look for Apple or
not,

1543
01:05:53,845 --> 01:05:55,084
to be honest, because when you read it,

1544
01:05:54,147 --> 01:05:55,147
Yeah, I don't

1545
01:05:55,084 --> 01:05:57,688
it's like they had substantially resolved
its violations.

1546
01:05:57,688 --> 01:06:00,610
Grok remained out of compliance.

1547
01:06:00,610 --> 01:06:04,262
I don't actually know how those two things
can exist in the same sentence,

1548
01:06:04,262 --> 01:06:07,214
but ~ I just feel like, you know,

1549
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:05,470
Yeah.

1550
01:06:07,214 --> 01:06:10,477
only it says only after further back and
forth that Apple determined Grok could

1551
01:06:10,477 --> 01:06:13,719
substantially improved and approved its
submission.

1552
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:18,262
I don't know. Like this is weird because
this stuff just happens behind the scenes,

1553
01:06:18,262 --> 01:06:20,023
you know, but Apple.

1554
01:06:20,855 --> 01:06:24,636
Does Apple care because it was violating
it or because there was a lot of bad
press?

1555
01:06:24,636 --> 01:06:26,710
Well, and this was not even something
Apple publicized,

1556
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:28,754
you know, this is a Verge story.

1557
01:06:28,220 --> 01:06:29,220
No, I mean the

1558
01:06:29,285 --> 01:06:32,277
fact that Grok was doing this was getting
a lot of bad press.

1559
01:06:31,266 --> 01:06:32,976
~ right,

1560
01:06:32,976 --> 01:06:34,509
right, right. Yes, yes, yes. I mean,

1561
01:06:34,509 --> 01:06:35,850
I think that's why they did that.

1562
01:06:35,850 --> 01:06:39,382
Yeah. So there's that. And last thing,

1563
01:06:39,382 --> 01:06:43,306
Sam Alpen actually wrote a blog last week.

1564
01:06:43,306 --> 01:06:48,751
And this is in reference to a couple of
people have actually attacked his home,

1565
01:06:48,751 --> 01:06:52,014
one allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at
his house.

1566
01:06:52,014 --> 01:06:54,716
And I think there was a second ~ attack.

1567
01:06:54,716 --> 01:06:57,718
So bottom line, like, that's not good.

1568
01:06:57,718 --> 01:06:59,410
That's wrong. Like

1569
01:06:59,826 --> 01:07:01,277
People should not be attacking Sam Altman,

1570
01:07:01,277 --> 01:07:03,538
no matter how much you disagree with him
or dislike him.

1571
01:07:03,538 --> 01:07:05,539
And so he wrote this blog post,

1572
01:07:05,539 --> 01:07:07,319
shared a picture of his family,

1573
01:07:07,319 --> 01:07:13,152
and then wrote a bunch of stuff about what
he's doing with

1574
01:07:13,152 --> 01:07:17,164
AI and his genuine feelings towards it.

1575
01:07:17,164 --> 01:07:20,406
And he also, he has some personal
reflections.

1576
01:07:20,406 --> 01:07:23,087
He also talks about some thoughts about
the industry.

1577
01:07:23,087 --> 01:07:25,508
Did you get a chance to read this article?

1578
01:07:26,481 --> 01:07:27,481
I did.

1579
01:07:27,642 --> 01:07:30,642
Okay, listen, I don't know,

1580
01:07:30,642 --> 01:07:32,734
old man personally. On one level,

1581
01:07:32,734 --> 01:07:37,506
like it feels genuine. On another level,

1582
01:07:37,506 --> 01:07:43,238
it's like, I don't know how you can write
something and being the CEO

1583
01:07:43,238 --> 01:07:49,101
of a company like OpenAI not be super like
high on it.

1584
01:07:49,101 --> 01:07:52,342
You he says things in his article like AI
is changing the world.

1585
01:07:52,342 --> 01:07:53,993
Like this is going to be the biggest thing
ever.

1586
01:07:53,993 --> 01:07:56,164
And maybe he truly believes those things,

1587
01:07:56,164 --> 01:07:57,164
you know.

1588
01:07:57,069 --> 01:07:58,890
This is not like a press release for
OpenAI.

1589
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:00,430
This is like his own personal blog.

1590
01:08:00,430 --> 01:08:07,412
And I also understand like he is hoping
that writing this would limit

1591
01:08:07,913 --> 01:08:11,754
or reduce the desire that people would
have to literally attack his house,

1592
01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:13,415
which again, it's not good people
shouldn't do that.

1593
01:08:13,415 --> 01:08:17,676
But I don't know, I was I was curious your
thoughts after reading this article.

1594
01:08:17,676 --> 01:08:18,897
Okay, I actually have four now.

1595
01:08:18,897 --> 01:08:22,770
~ One, you should not attack anyone's home
with a Molotov cocktail.

1596
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:20,660
Okay.

1597
01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:26,594
Like that just goes without saying Sam
Altman or anyone like you just like that's

1598
01:08:26,594 --> 01:08:30,167
bad. Second, when you want to ask people
not to attack your home,

1599
01:08:30,167 --> 01:08:31,888
you should not include a picture of your
baby.

1600
01:08:31,888 --> 01:08:34,771
That's real, real, real, real bad.

1601
01:08:33,024 --> 01:08:35,999
That felt a little... yeah, yeah.

1602
01:08:34,771 --> 01:08:38,174
Like don't do that. And this goes to the
third thing,

1603
01:08:35,999 --> 01:08:36,999
That didn't feel good.

1604
01:08:38,174 --> 01:08:40,436
which is I don't think anything about this
is genuine.

1605
01:08:40,852 --> 01:08:42,553
And I think Sam Altman is a sociopath.

1606
01:08:41,174 --> 01:08:43,432
Really? Really?

1607
01:08:42,553 --> 01:08:45,986
And the reason I think he's a sociopath is
he's like a pathological liar

1608
01:08:45,986 --> 01:08:47,717
and he used a picture of his baby.

1609
01:08:47,717 --> 01:08:52,006
Who would Stephen like, when people say
mean things to you on the internet,

1610
01:08:47,717 --> 01:08:48,717
Mmm.

1611
01:08:52,006 --> 01:08:55,149
do you post a picture of your family to
like try to persuade them not

1612
01:08:55,149 --> 01:09:01,514
to know they already threw Molotov
cocktails at his house and you just remind
people

1613
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:57,380
And nor do I have a desire to.

1614
01:09:01,514 --> 01:09:05,857
who's in the like, I don't that's
completely bonkers but

1615
01:09:06,113 --> 01:09:10,154
I think Sam Altman is a sociopath and
that's why it doesn't click in his head.

1616
01:09:10,154 --> 01:09:14,826
the think about this, the one of the last
lines in here says something about once

1617
01:09:14,826 --> 01:09:16,687
you see a GI, you can't unsee it.

1618
01:09:16,687 --> 01:09:18,117
has a real ring of power dynamic.

1619
01:09:18,117 --> 01:09:20,718
Are you like the eye of Sauron?

1620
01:09:20,718 --> 01:09:23,339
Like what are you? What in the world are
you like?

1621
01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:22,157
That does feel.

1622
01:09:23,339 --> 01:09:28,441
Guess what? The moral of that story is the
rings needed to be destroyed,

1623
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,100
Yeah.

1624
01:09:28,441 --> 01:09:29,441
right?

1625
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,245
That was the saddest of ones.

1626
01:09:30,625 --> 01:09:31,625
The moral of

1627
01:09:31,326 --> 01:09:33,527
the story isn't we should all have rings.

1628
01:09:33,527 --> 01:09:38,382
The moral of the story is we had to take
it to Mordor and destroy

1629
01:09:38,382 --> 01:09:40,474
the ring because it was too harmful.

1630
01:09:40,474 --> 01:09:42,655
And it should have never been made in the
first place.

1631
01:09:42,655 --> 01:09:44,437
Am I wrong about the moral of the story?

1632
01:09:44,353 --> 01:09:46,047
No, that is absolutely correct.

1633
01:09:44,437 --> 01:09:48,741
So why would you so you believe that
sincerely,

1634
01:09:46,047 --> 01:09:47,047
Yes.

1635
01:09:48,741 --> 01:09:52,944
then what are you doing? Like this is
completely insane to me,

1636
01:09:51,343 --> 01:09:52,343
That is true.

1637
01:09:52,944 --> 01:09:54,966
which tells me that it's not genuine at
all.

1638
01:09:54,966 --> 01:09:58,169
Like, I just don't think Sam Altman is
genuine about really.

1639
01:09:58,169 --> 01:10:01,664
I mean, he genuinely doesn't want people
to attack his house.

1640
01:10:01,664 --> 01:10:07,144
Do you feel, and he, ~ but he apparently
feels like-

1641
01:10:01,664 --> 01:10:04,979
Okay, fair. Okay, yes,

1642
01:10:04,979 --> 01:10:07,423
that's true. I will retract

1643
01:10:07,423 --> 01:10:09,897
my statement that he's not genuine about
anything,

1644
01:10:09,897 --> 01:10:10,897
sorry.

1645
01:10:10,089 --> 01:10:11,089
Well, and he

1646
01:10:11,029 --> 01:10:14,844
apparently feels like writing this would
lessen the risk of that.

1647
01:10:14,844 --> 01:10:16,937
I don't think he would have written it.

1648
01:10:16,937 --> 01:10:19,769
I don't think he has anyone in his life
that could be like this might

1649
01:10:19,769 --> 01:10:22,191
not be the right way to like this is okay.

1650
01:10:22,191 --> 01:10:25,943
Here's the perfect example. Not it's not
exactly the same thing because thankfully

1651
01:10:22,485 --> 01:10:23,485
Hmm.

1652
01:10:25,943 --> 01:10:29,015
no one has ever thrown anything at my
house that I'm aware of right.

1653
01:10:29,015 --> 01:10:33,038
But there was a time we already mentioned
it when I got to be the main character

1654
01:10:33,038 --> 01:10:36,720
on Twitter for a day and my first instinct
was I needed to write something

1655
01:10:34,197 --> 01:10:35,197
Yes.

1656
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,481
to like defend myself or whatever.

1657
01:10:38,481 --> 01:10:42,224
And what I ended up writing was fine but I
still shouldn't have written

1658
01:10:42,224 --> 01:10:45,066
it because I could I wasn't separated from
the fact that I just felt

1659
01:10:45,066 --> 01:10:46,527
a certain sort of way about

1660
01:10:46,881 --> 01:10:47,881
Yeah.

1661
01:10:47,083 --> 01:10:48,083
that

1662
01:10:47,373 --> 01:10:50,364
experience. And so I'm like, I have to
write something in my editor was like,

1663
01:10:50,364 --> 01:10:53,546
this is a good article, you shouldn't have
written it because the only reason

1664
01:10:53,546 --> 01:10:55,987
you wrote it was because you had feelings.

1665
01:10:55,987 --> 01:10:57,828
And that's exactly what happened here.

1666
01:10:57,828 --> 01:11:02,830
Right. And again, no one should be
throwing even though I just said what

1667
01:10:58,583 --> 01:10:59,583
Hmm.

1668
01:11:02,830 --> 01:11:08,522
I said about Sam Altman. I don't think any
like he that's that's him like

1669
01:11:08,522 --> 01:11:12,714
you can't like, there's nothing about the
fact that I think he lies about

1670
01:11:12,714 --> 01:11:14,795
a lot of this stuff that

1671
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,703
warrants any kind of physical behavior
towards him.

1672
01:11:17,703 --> 01:11:20,688
So you still feel like when he talks about
AGI,

1673
01:11:20,688 --> 01:11:23,432
like he said here, he is blowing smoke.

1674
01:11:23,432 --> 01:11:26,898
Like he's not actually, like AGI is not
some life-changing thing.

1675
01:11:26,898 --> 01:11:29,401
He is saying that because he still needs
to carry that line.

1676
01:11:29,401 --> 01:11:31,435
So OpenAI keeps getting investments.

1677
01:11:31,435 --> 01:11:33,939
Or do you think, like when you say
sociopath,

1678
01:11:33,939 --> 01:11:38,446
do you think A scenario I just said he's
carrying the line for investments

1679
01:11:38,907 --> 01:11:44,255
or B is he just so deluded that he truly
believes it is the ring of power?

1680
01:11:44,255 --> 01:11:46,046
Yeah, maybe that's better. Maybe that's
fair.

1681
01:11:46,046 --> 01:11:49,928
I should correct myself. Maybe he is
genuine about this.

1682
01:11:49,928 --> 01:11:53,551
Like maybe he sincerely believes what he's
saying.

1683
01:11:53,551 --> 01:11:57,233
But I think he is just the most online
human being that there is.

1684
01:11:57,233 --> 01:12:01,416
And so his perspective is just completely
clouded by that.

1685
01:12:01,416 --> 01:12:05,939
So that doesn't change the fact that I
think he's like a sociopath.

1686
01:12:01,856 --> 01:12:02,856
Right.

1687
01:12:05,939 --> 01:12:08,220
And just to be clear, sociopath doesn't
mean evil.

1688
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:09,220
Right.

1689
01:12:08,251 --> 01:12:09,251
right? It

1690
01:12:08,932 --> 01:12:11,554
means there's a disconnect between their
perception of reality and the

1691
01:12:11,554 --> 01:12:14,576
way that they portray reality and actual
reality.

1692
01:12:14,576 --> 01:12:18,120
think that any like, we've heard enough
stories recently,

1693
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,523
we've read enough stories recently about
Sam Altman to be like,

1694
01:12:19,707 --> 01:12:20,707
Yes.

1695
01:12:21,523 --> 01:12:23,187
I think this is probably the case,

1696
01:12:23,187 --> 01:12:24,785
right? The New Yorker profile,

1697
01:12:24,785 --> 01:12:28,068
which I don't even understand how he like
contributed why he even

1698
01:12:28,068 --> 01:12:31,191
a lot like participated in that was not a
flattering thing.

1699
01:12:30,163 --> 01:12:31,163
Correct.

1700
01:12:31,191 --> 01:12:35,352
So that and we did not talk about that
last week and then I heard,

1701
01:12:35,352 --> 01:12:38,524
you know, the Vergecast talk about it,

1702
01:12:38,524 --> 01:12:39,954
Dithering, they talked about it.

1703
01:12:39,954 --> 01:12:42,895
And honestly, like we should have linked
that last week.

1704
01:12:42,895 --> 01:12:44,636
This was the New Yorker profile,

1705
01:12:44,636 --> 01:12:49,078
which is a horrifying AI generated image
as this headline.

1706
01:12:49,078 --> 01:12:51,199
But it's Sam Altman may control our
future.

1707
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,220
Can he be trusted? It is an extremely
lengthy profile.

1708
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:58,572
I believe it's like one. It's like 30,000
was very long.

1709
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:57,150
It's like 30,000 words.

1710
01:12:59,010 --> 01:13:00,982
It's 15,000 maybe. don't know.

1711
01:12:59,122 --> 01:13:00,122
~ But if

1712
01:13:01,224 --> 01:13:06,768
and it is behind the paywall ~ so You go
okay you read an Apple News.

1713
01:13:03,974 --> 01:13:05,134
but you can read it in Apple News.

1714
01:13:06,768 --> 01:13:10,972
I'll find the Apple News link for
everybody Yeah,

1715
01:13:10,972 --> 01:13:14,605
and Sam Holman in his blog post personal
blog post.

1716
01:13:14,605 --> 01:13:18,438
This is not on the opening I website he
called it an incendiary article

1717
01:13:18,438 --> 01:13:22,862
Now people on X gave him heat for that
because it's like is this incendiary

1718
01:13:23,062 --> 01:13:25,124
or is this just a profile that you don't
like?

1719
01:13:25,124 --> 01:13:26,265
because it's

1720
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:26,970
Right.

1721
01:13:26,587 --> 01:13:28,418
sharing facts about yourself that you
don't like.

1722
01:13:28,418 --> 01:13:31,089
And Sam Altman on X literally said,

1723
01:13:31,089 --> 01:13:33,140
I regret calling it incendiary.

1724
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:36,242
So I don't know,

1725
01:13:36,242 --> 01:13:39,624
like maybe he is a sociopath. I also
wonder,

1726
01:13:39,624 --> 01:13:44,286
is he just so shrewd

1727
01:13:44,847 --> 01:13:48,669
and not shrewd in like a positive way?

1728
01:13:48,669 --> 01:13:52,811
Is he just so shrewd that he knows,

1729
01:13:52,811 --> 01:13:54,632
like what is he known for? Raising money.

1730
01:13:55,223 --> 01:13:59,346
He's known for being able to get lots of
funding even if the promise

1731
01:13:59,346 --> 01:14:04,239
is bigger than what can be delivered Is he
just super shrewd and like because

1732
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:10,343
he posted on his personal blog post it
appears more genuine But he is still using

1733
01:14:10,343 --> 01:14:14,635
it as a platform to be like AGI it's the
ring of power and we got it like

1734
01:14:14,635 --> 01:14:17,727
it like there's still that element there
and I don't think that has anything

1735
01:14:17,727 --> 01:14:21,160
to do with people throwing Molotov
cocktails at his house I feel like it's
you know,

1736
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,221
he's just throwing that in there to kind
of boast open AI again.

1737
01:14:23,221 --> 01:14:24,712
I don't know it it felt weird

1738
01:14:25,336 --> 01:14:27,056
Bottom line is, I think if it felt weird,

1739
01:14:27,056 --> 01:14:31,536
the whole blog post, I think he was mad
about this New Yorker piece and the
profile.

1740
01:14:31,536 --> 01:14:34,080
And I don't know, it's just weird to me.

1741
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,841
Yeah. Someone's going to comment and
remind us that there's that what

1742
01:14:37,841 --> 01:14:40,122
I probably was referring to as a
psychopath,

1743
01:14:40,122 --> 01:14:44,703
which again, I'm not these words sound
super bad versus a sociopath,

1744
01:14:44,703 --> 01:14:47,024
but psychopaths tend to be very charming,

1745
01:14:47,024 --> 01:14:49,854
right? They do. They tend to be very,

1746
01:14:48,537 --> 01:14:49,537
Sure.

1747
01:14:49,854 --> 01:14:53,025
very, very true. They are. They they they
are able to fit in.

1748
01:14:53,025 --> 01:14:56,696
They are very cold, but they can mimic
emotion very well.

1749
01:14:56,696 --> 01:15:00,307
And if we know anything, Sam Altman is
incredibly charming.

1750
01:15:00,307 --> 01:15:02,168
Right. But so.

1751
01:15:02,408 --> 01:15:04,049
Anyway, there's there's a difference
there.

1752
01:15:04,049 --> 01:15:07,150
I don't know. I think is he genuine?

1753
01:15:07,150 --> 01:15:13,532
Hmm. It's it's just really hard to I don't
think somebody who really felt deeply,

1754
01:15:13,532 --> 01:15:17,844
deeply personally affected by the thing
that happened would post a photo

1755
01:15:17,844 --> 01:15:19,534
of their child on the because it's like,

1756
01:15:19,534 --> 01:15:23,476
how many 10s of millions of people read
that post?

1757
01:15:23,476 --> 01:15:24,476
Like

1758
01:15:24,276 --> 01:15:29,498
But is it also possible that however
shrewd and intelligent he might

1759
01:15:29,498 --> 01:15:32,019
be in some areas, he's also naive

1760
01:15:32,019 --> 01:15:38,421
and like social and maybe he feels like,

1761
01:15:34,649 --> 01:15:36,695
absolutely. And he's just too online.

1762
01:15:36,695 --> 01:15:38,054
He just doesn't think. Yeah.

1763
01:15:38,421 --> 01:15:43,073
I he literally said I hope posting a
picture of my family dissuades people from

1764
01:15:43,073 --> 01:15:46,264
attacking our house. He might genuinely
believe that would help.

1765
01:15:46,264 --> 01:15:48,656
Sure. I remember I came across just
yesterday,

1766
01:15:48,656 --> 01:15:51,017
~ social media, like it was an Instagram
post that,

1767
01:15:51,017 --> 01:15:53,079
that, was like, this is interesting.

1768
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:55,580
And it doesn't really matter the context
except for it was like a person

1769
01:15:55,580 --> 01:15:59,293
who had five to 6,000 followers on
Instagram.

1770
01:15:59,293 --> 01:16:02,495
And there was a picture of this person
with their family standing in front

1771
01:16:02,495 --> 01:16:03,906
of their house, which whatever,

1772
01:16:03,906 --> 01:16:06,447
but you could see the house number and the
street number.

1773
01:16:06,447 --> 01:16:09,369
Like never do that. You literally never.

1774
01:16:09,369 --> 01:16:13,792
like, because they're just crazy people
out there who will do things.

1775
01:16:14,313 --> 01:16:17,357
I think MKBHD has talked about that,

1776
01:16:17,357 --> 01:16:20,381
where he exposed an address in a video,

1777
01:16:20,381 --> 01:16:22,323
he blurred it out shortly after,

1778
01:16:22,323 --> 01:16:26,309
but weird things still happen when you're
that public.

1779
01:16:26,309 --> 01:16:29,453
And I've tried to be very careful with
that,

1780
01:16:29,453 --> 01:16:31,336
and there is one...

1781
01:16:30,925 --> 01:16:31,925
I don't even

1782
01:16:31,427 --> 01:16:33,478
know where Stephen lives. He won't even
let me come to his house.

1783
01:16:33,478 --> 01:16:34,728
That's true, I don't. I say, listen,

1784
01:16:34,728 --> 01:16:35,880
we're gonna meet at this first watch,

1785
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,883
we're gonna eat an omelet, and then we're
gonna leave.

1786
01:16:36,036 --> 01:16:39,380
Yep. You came all this way, but no,

1787
01:16:37,883 --> 01:16:41,206
You know,

1788
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:40,665
this is the closest you're getting.

1789
01:16:41,206 --> 01:16:42,247
that's it. No, that's not true.

1790
01:16:42,247 --> 01:16:46,832
~ But I do, like, my address was actually
in a video for a while,

1791
01:16:46,832 --> 01:16:49,945
and some people are helpful, but then also
call attention to it.

1792
01:16:49,945 --> 01:16:52,417
They're like, hey, your address is at 45
minutes or whatever,

1793
01:16:52,417 --> 01:16:54,279
and it's like, well, maybe don't say that.

1794
01:16:54,794 --> 01:16:55,794
Right,

1795
01:16:54,996 --> 01:16:56,984
maybe quietly send me a message.

1796
01:16:56,958 --> 01:16:57,958
Yeah, you're

1797
01:16:57,408 --> 01:17:00,691
send me message. And YouTube has this blur
tool where you can actually blur

1798
01:17:00,691 --> 01:17:02,662
an uploaded video and you don't have to
re-upload it.

1799
01:17:02,662 --> 01:17:05,814
So I used it to blur it out. But I do have
concerns of like,

1800
01:17:05,814 --> 01:17:08,036
I'm not popular enough for people care to
come visit,

1801
01:17:08,036 --> 01:17:10,137
you know, to come harass my house.

1802
01:17:10,137 --> 01:17:13,940
Which I guess is positive. But I don't
know,

1803
01:17:13,940 --> 01:17:18,193
I don't know. I feel like he is a
interesting character.

1804
01:17:18,193 --> 01:17:24,367
And I don't know. I read that blog post
verbatim and I was like,

1805
01:17:24,367 --> 01:17:26,118
I don't know, man. I just don't know.

1806
01:17:26,548 --> 01:17:30,331
It also feels like from Dario Amadei on
Anthropic,

1807
01:17:30,331 --> 01:17:32,253
have Sundar Prachai at Google,

1808
01:17:32,253 --> 01:17:35,875
and you Sam Altman at OpenAI, and it feels
like Sam Altman is the kid in the room.

1809
01:17:35,875 --> 01:17:40,039
Smart kid. He is really shrewd in raising
money,

1810
01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:42,100
and maybe he's a good salesman.

1811
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:46,544
I don't know, are you a good salesman if
the product isn't up to snuff?

1812
01:17:46,544 --> 01:17:47,544
I don't know, but.

1813
01:17:47,306 --> 01:17:48,306
Well,

1814
01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:49,750
no, mean, a good salesman can sell snake
oil,

1815
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:50,750
right?

1816
01:17:50,018 --> 01:17:51,018
Right, because he

1817
01:17:50,909 --> 01:17:52,159
saw ice to Eskimos kind of thing,

1818
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:55,962
but so I don't I don't know it was weird I
need to read the whole New Yorker piece.

1819
01:17:55,962 --> 01:18:00,475
I did not read that in full, but I don't
know felt weird just felt weird

1820
01:18:00,475 --> 01:18:04,098
It does give a lot of context to the whole
fire not fired thing

1821
01:18:04,098 --> 01:18:08,228
and the reasons behind that and just that
he wasn't candid and a lot of that kind

1822
01:18:08,228 --> 01:18:12,966
of stuff. And so I just I think on a
personal level,

1823
01:18:12,966 --> 01:18:18,221
this post was a mistake and adding that
picture was a mistake.

1824
01:18:18,221 --> 01:18:21,383
And it is it is surprising to me.

1825
01:18:18,242 --> 01:18:19,242
That was, yeah.

1826
01:18:22,220 --> 01:18:26,768
that someone like Sam Altman doesn't
inherently know that that's a mistake

1827
01:18:27,310 --> 01:18:30,275
in that context. I just yeah.

1828
01:18:30,614 --> 01:18:31,614
Well,

1829
01:18:30,894 --> 01:18:32,735
the last thing I'll say, and then we'll
talk about something happy,

1830
01:18:32,735 --> 01:18:34,546
because Jason Vibe quoted to Maps is what
I want talk about.

1831
01:18:34,546 --> 01:18:39,509
I have been in situations where it

1832
01:18:39,509 --> 01:18:44,692
is clear the leader does not subject
themselves

1833
01:18:44,812 --> 01:18:50,055
to accountability and place people around
them with the ability to say no.

1834
01:18:50,055 --> 01:18:55,428
And I'm sure a lot of our listeners and
viewers probably work in places where it's

1835
01:18:55,428 --> 01:18:59,860
clear like, OK, this boss doesn't have
anybody telling them no.

1836
01:19:00,704 --> 01:19:04,066
and doesn't want anyone around them saying
it's a bad idea.

1837
01:19:04,066 --> 01:19:07,388
And it feels like Sam Altman is in that
kind of position,

1838
01:19:07,388 --> 01:19:11,540
where he does not have anyone around him
that he is allowed to say,

1839
01:19:11,540 --> 01:19:15,132
no, that's a bad idea. And even that clip
that we actually talked about last week

1840
01:19:15,132 --> 01:19:18,804
of him talking about how the moment before
AGI feels like the moment before

1841
01:19:18,804 --> 01:19:21,656
the pandemic. And you see these three
other guys sitting at the table.

1842
01:19:21,656 --> 01:19:23,737
And as Sam Altman is saying this,

1843
01:19:23,737 --> 01:19:25,027
surely going through their heads,

1844
01:19:25,027 --> 01:19:27,719
they're thinking, man, I don't know if you
want to make that comparison.

1845
01:19:27,993 --> 01:19:29,640
The same thing compared to Yeah

1846
01:19:29,396 --> 01:19:32,348
But no one but no one says anything and I
don't think

1847
01:19:32,348 --> 01:19:35,940
those guys around the table feel like they
could say anything And I don't know what

1848
01:19:34,953 --> 01:19:35,953
Sure.

1849
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:38,622
kind of leader Sam all that is behind the
scenes But in that moment if

1850
01:19:38,622 --> 01:19:42,705
you look at those big dudes faces It's
like I know that feeling that those dudes

1851
01:19:42,705 --> 01:19:46,007
have and it's the feeling of like wow our
leader is saying something Maybe

1852
01:19:46,007 --> 01:19:47,858
not great, maybe kind of dumb

1853
01:19:47,858 --> 01:19:49,407
I don't think that means what you think it
means.

1854
01:19:49,407 --> 01:19:50,407
I don't think it means what you think it
means,

1855
01:19:50,367 --> 01:19:54,447
but I'm also not free enough or don't have
the ability to actually

1856
01:19:54,447 --> 01:19:57,767
say something to change it. And so yeah,

1857
01:19:55,891 --> 01:19:56,891
Yeah, no, think that's right.

1858
01:19:57,767 --> 01:19:59,267
that's what I've gotten from it.

1859
01:19:59,267 --> 01:20:00,427
Thank you. It took me a while to get
there,

1860
01:20:00,427 --> 01:20:02,107
but I think that's my thought about it
right now.

1861
01:20:02,107 --> 01:20:05,067
All right, so anyway, let's talk about
something happy.

1862
01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:09,551
You made some apps. You vibe coded some
apps.

1863
01:20:07,647 --> 01:20:08,647
I did.

1864
01:20:09,551 --> 01:20:13,011
What did you do? What prompted you wanting
to do this first?

1865
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:13,260
I don't like the phrase. I

1866
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:15,102
don't like the phrase vibe coded just to
be clear,

1867
01:20:15,102 --> 01:20:17,834
but that's what happened. No, that's
exactly what it is.

1868
01:20:15,747 --> 01:20:18,494
What do you call it? OK.

1869
01:20:17,834 --> 01:20:21,327
I just don't like the phrase. I think it
has a really bad connotation that

1870
01:20:21,327 --> 01:20:25,430
was that it has a bad connotation because
there are plenty of people

1871
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:27,802
who make software for a living who also
have blogs and are like,

1872
01:20:27,802 --> 01:20:29,436
don't vibe coding is a terrible idea.

1873
01:20:29,436 --> 01:20:31,935
Who would do that? And on the one hand?

1874
01:20:32,623 --> 01:20:36,727
I understand because I'm a writer and I
don't think vibe writing is a good idea.

1875
01:20:36,727 --> 01:20:38,579
Like AI slop exists everywhere.

1876
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,101
No, don't do that.

1877
01:20:38,579 --> 01:20:42,132
I'm also a photographer. I don't think
vibe photos is a good idea either.

1878
01:20:41,175 --> 01:20:42,175
Yeah, it hurts.

1879
01:20:42,132 --> 01:20:46,517
Like that I get that. ~ So I made two
apps.

1880
01:20:46,517 --> 01:20:48,639
I made them purely for myself.

1881
01:20:48,995 --> 01:20:52,255
Right. So that was this would be like if I
wanted to get my thoughts down

1882
01:20:49,004 --> 01:20:50,004
Right.

1883
01:20:52,255 --> 01:20:55,455
in writing and I just wanted to talk it
through with an AI chatbot.

1884
01:20:55,455 --> 01:20:58,995
Like I think that's different than having
a chatbot make you a product that

1885
01:20:58,995 --> 01:21:01,235
you then would post on your website or
something like that.

1886
01:21:01,235 --> 01:21:04,035
OK. So I wanted there was two apps in the
first one I did.

1887
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:02,399
Yeah.

1888
01:21:04,035 --> 01:21:05,515
Well, I'm going to actually talk about in
the reverse order.

1889
01:21:05,515 --> 01:21:07,695
I told you the first one I did was a note
taking app.

1890
01:21:07,695 --> 01:21:09,315
And the reason I did this is

1891
01:21:09,315 --> 01:21:11,516
I use Ulysses. So this is not a
replacement for that.

1892
01:21:11,516 --> 01:21:13,927
That's my writing app. That's different
than note taking.

1893
01:21:13,927 --> 01:21:16,869
But I take a lot of notes. And for the
last year and half or so,

1894
01:21:16,869 --> 01:21:18,149
I've been just using the notes app,

1895
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:22,861
which is great. But the notes app doesn't
have context associated with notes unless

1896
01:21:22,861 --> 01:21:25,663
you put them in a notebook or whatever you
might want to do.

1897
01:21:25,637 --> 01:21:28,747
Tag them or whatever. Yeah.

1898
01:21:25,663 --> 01:21:28,504
Bear has tags like there's that kind of
thing.

1899
01:21:28,504 --> 01:21:31,765
I know this screenshot looks terrible
because I blurred out all the content of
this.

1900
01:21:31,765 --> 01:21:35,427
But you can see the the the if you're
watching this,

1901
01:21:35,427 --> 01:21:37,348
you can see. But if you're not watching
it,

1902
01:21:37,348 --> 01:21:39,229
that's fine. And essentially what I did is
I wanted to

1903
01:21:39,252 --> 01:21:41,794
note taking app that syncs things with my
calendar.

1904
01:21:41,794 --> 01:21:44,025
So there's the context of this is the
meeting.

1905
01:21:44,025 --> 01:21:46,356
Here are the notes for that meeting.

1906
01:21:46,356 --> 01:21:49,528
And I can literally just click on anything
in the calendar,

1907
01:21:49,528 --> 01:21:51,920
which is down the right side. And it'll
say,

1908
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:52,991
you want a new note with this?

1909
01:21:52,991 --> 01:21:56,233
And I can create a new note. Now there is
an app that does this agenda.

1910
01:21:56,233 --> 01:21:58,674
I used agenda for a long time.

1911
01:21:58,674 --> 01:22:02,457
And I had to stop because I hated the UI
so much that it just made

1912
01:22:02,457 --> 01:22:04,168
me angry every time I used it.

1913
01:22:04,168 --> 01:22:06,189
Okay, but it was this exact like

1914
01:22:06,351 --> 01:22:09,594
Concept where you could create notes
directly from your calendar.

1915
01:22:09,594 --> 01:22:13,997
So it syncs your calendar in This is just
using event kit So that's just like

1916
01:22:13,997 --> 01:22:17,521
Apple's native if you've logged into an
account on your Mac You can just have

1917
01:22:17,521 --> 01:22:19,742
it do that. You don't have to log in
separately to calendars,

1918
01:22:19,742 --> 01:22:23,546
right? And then it you can create
notebooks so you can organize things you

1919
01:22:20,238 --> 01:22:21,238
Yeah.

1920
01:22:23,546 --> 01:22:28,350
can ~ and as I went through this process
literally I gave it like

1921
01:22:29,231 --> 01:22:32,553
a paragraph of instructions and Ten
minutes later.

1922
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:34,660
Yeah. And this was Claude,

1923
01:22:32,553 --> 01:22:34,465
I had an app and I sat

1924
01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:35,660
to be clear.

1925
01:22:34,957 --> 01:22:35,957
Yeah,

1926
01:22:35,178 --> 01:22:39,074
clog code. Yeah. And I sat there with my
literally with my jaw,

1927
01:22:39,074 --> 01:22:44,607
like, for like 10 seconds, like I could
not believe that it had done this

1928
01:22:44,688 --> 01:22:45,830
and that it was good.

1929
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,040
And to

1930
01:22:46,541 --> 01:22:50,540
be clear, this is you have Xcode with
Claude in Xcode,

1931
01:22:50,540 --> 01:22:51,542
and that's where you prompted it.

1932
01:22:51,917 --> 01:22:57,010
No, I just went to cloud the app and went
to the code and it did it all.

1933
01:22:57,010 --> 01:22:58,771
And it created the Xcode project.

1934
01:22:58,771 --> 01:23:00,372
did all of that. So I didn't open.

1935
01:22:59,738 --> 01:23:01,005
created the Xcode project.

1936
01:23:00,372 --> 01:23:02,854
Yeah, I didn't even open Xcode until I was
like,

1937
01:23:02,854 --> 01:23:08,246
it told me, OK, now go and click command R
to run it and you'll be able to.

1938
01:23:08,246 --> 01:23:10,379
I was like, where what do I do?

1939
01:23:08,826 --> 01:23:10,866
Whoa, wait a minute.

1940
01:23:10,379 --> 01:23:11,379
And so then I.

1941
01:23:11,266 --> 01:23:13,666
okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. So when I
Vybe coded an app,

1942
01:23:13,666 --> 01:23:17,726
I was going back and forth. It was before
Claude was integrated into Xcode directly.

1943
01:23:17,726 --> 01:23:21,206
And I created the Xcode project in the
file and I had to figure out how

1944
01:23:21,206 --> 01:23:24,186
to do all that. And I was copying and
pasting code and it took a while

1945
01:23:24,186 --> 01:23:27,726
and then I could run it. You're saying you
prompted Claude in the Claude

1946
01:23:27,726 --> 01:23:31,846
Mac app and then it did a bunch of stuff
and the next thing you could

1947
01:23:31,846 --> 01:23:34,046
do was just click run and that was it.

1948
01:23:33,979 --> 01:23:36,059
Yeah, so I I'll send you

1949
01:23:34,046 --> 01:23:35,966
That's insane.

1950
01:23:36,059 --> 01:23:37,299
these so that in case you want to include
them,

1951
01:23:37,299 --> 01:23:38,299
but I said, I don't know anything about
coding,

1952
01:23:38,279 --> 01:23:39,519
but here's what I want is like,

1953
01:23:39,519 --> 01:23:40,699
great. This is absolutely buildable.

1954
01:23:40,699 --> 01:23:41,999
This is what I need. And it's like,

1955
01:23:41,999 --> 01:23:43,279
what kind of layout do you want?

1956
01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:46,099
Ask me a couple of questions. Then it said
something like,

1957
01:23:46,099 --> 01:23:48,959
are you using Mac? What version of Mac OS
are you using?

1958
01:23:48,959 --> 01:23:53,139
And then it did everything. It says it was
done.

1959
01:23:53,139 --> 01:23:56,899
And then it said, let me know how the
build goals go.

1960
01:23:56,899 --> 01:23:59,379
It if X code shows in years, paste them
here and I'll fix them.

1961
01:23:59,379 --> 01:24:00,899
And the first time it failed to build.

1962
01:24:00,899 --> 01:24:02,699
So I pasted it in, it fixed them all.

1963
01:24:02,699 --> 01:24:03,699
And then it worked.

1964
01:24:03,874 --> 01:24:06,676
And I was like, wow, that's, it says,

1965
01:24:06,676 --> 01:24:09,489
it says press command B again should be
zero issues.

1966
01:24:09,489 --> 01:24:10,840
Then hit the play button to launch it.

1967
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,092
And I did it. And it just all like.

1968
01:24:13,346 --> 01:24:17,017
Worked and I had an app and then I spent
like the next couple days like tweaking

1969
01:24:17,017 --> 01:24:21,028
it So I'm like, okay Well, I want the note
pane to be dynamic so that if

1970
01:24:21,028 --> 01:24:24,329
I close the calendars It just fills that
space and I made it so you

1971
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:24,640
Yeah, yeah.

1972
01:24:24,329 --> 01:24:27,750
can open and close the notes view You can
open and close the notebooks view.

1973
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:32,812
I added markdown support. It has text
formatting It has the all the paste paste

1974
01:24:31,691 --> 01:24:32,691
you

1975
01:24:32,852 --> 01:24:37,784
and ignore style. It has remove formatting
and Steven actually this

1976
01:24:37,784 --> 01:24:39,214
is like the genius if you show that other

1977
01:24:39,963 --> 01:24:43,656
Screenshot I added it up. So uses Apple
intelligence.

1978
01:24:43,656 --> 01:24:48,130
You can summarize your Meeting notes and
it'll add it at the top and then

1979
01:24:48,130 --> 01:24:51,132
it will create to do's From now,

1980
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:51,360
~

1981
01:24:51,132 --> 01:24:54,035
this is actually insane because all I did
here was our friend Nate

1982
01:24:54,035 --> 01:24:58,599
had asked a question and I wrote my answer
in the notes app and then I

1983
01:24:58,599 --> 01:25:02,122
~ Copy and paste it into messages and
stuff like that.

1984
01:24:59,843 --> 01:25:00,843
a and paste of it.

1985
01:25:02,122 --> 01:25:06,166
But I was like so I didn't this does not
need a summary or to do's but

1986
01:25:06,806 --> 01:25:10,029
I can then send those to-dos to things or
to-doist,

1987
01:25:10,029 --> 01:25:14,759
or I can add them to the note at the top
of the notes,

1988
01:25:10,325 --> 01:25:11,519
~ my goodness.

1989
01:25:14,759 --> 01:25:16,396
like here's the action items from this
meeting.

1990
01:25:15,811 --> 01:25:16,811
Yeah, yeah,

1991
01:25:16,396 --> 01:25:21,741
And if I do that, there's also a pane at
the bottom of the main view for to-dos.

1992
01:25:21,741 --> 01:25:25,445
So you can, it'll aggregate all your
to-dos in one place.

1993
01:25:25,445 --> 01:25:28,007
You can see right now there aren't any
showing there,

1994
01:25:26,903 --> 01:25:27,903
Artidus.

1995
01:25:28,007 --> 01:25:30,450
but then you can individually.

1996
01:25:31,023 --> 01:25:34,284
go and add individual to-dos to things.

1997
01:25:34,284 --> 01:25:35,845
So like, let's say I don't want to add all
these,

1998
01:25:35,845 --> 01:25:38,356
but I have to, and it just constantly
aggregates them.

1999
01:25:38,356 --> 01:25:39,686
And if you check them off in one place,

2000
01:25:39,686 --> 01:25:40,987
it checks them off in the other place.

2001
01:25:40,987 --> 01:25:43,027
And once you send them to things,

2002
01:25:43,027 --> 01:25:46,769
it will leave them in the individual note
so that you remember that they were there,

2003
01:25:46,769 --> 01:25:49,950
but it removes them from that to-do pane
because they don't want two to-do lists,

2004
01:25:49,950 --> 01:25:54,752
right? And that's all Apple intelligence
on device just doing that for me.

2005
01:25:51,130 --> 01:25:52,130
Wow.

2006
01:25:54,752 --> 01:25:57,633
It was insane that it just did this.

2007
01:25:55,342 --> 01:25:56,342
That's nuts, Jason.

2008
01:25:57,633 --> 01:25:59,334
And then you can share it. can also,

2009
01:25:59,334 --> 01:26:00,334
people,

2010
01:26:00,634 --> 01:26:02,054
people were sending me messages.

2011
01:26:02,054 --> 01:26:03,814
I'm like, well, they're like, well,

2012
01:26:03,814 --> 01:26:05,174
isn't this the same as granola,

2013
01:26:05,174 --> 01:26:07,554
one of our sponsors? But I think granola
is based on like,

2014
01:26:07,554 --> 01:26:08,694
it's like an Otter competitor,

2015
01:26:08,694 --> 01:26:10,814
but it's local on your Mac. yeah,

2016
01:26:08,826 --> 01:26:09,946
Yeah, it's like a transcribing,

2017
01:26:09,946 --> 01:26:11,066
meetings, audio recordings.

2018
01:26:10,814 --> 01:26:12,874
I was like, well, it would, mean,

2019
01:26:12,874 --> 01:26:15,534
I might as well have a feature where I
could drop an audio file in here.

2020
01:26:15,534 --> 01:26:18,094
So I added that. And then I was like,

2021
01:26:15,972 --> 01:26:16,972
Good.

2022
01:26:18,094 --> 01:26:19,894
also why, if you're going to have an audio
file,

2023
01:26:19,894 --> 01:26:21,954
you could drop in here. It could just
record audio,

2024
01:26:21,954 --> 01:26:24,274
transcribe it all on device and add it to
your note.

2025
01:26:24,516 --> 01:26:25,867
So it technically will do that.

2026
01:26:25,867 --> 01:26:29,829
That's not the reason I created this
because I actually write a lot of notes

2027
01:26:29,829 --> 01:26:31,580
for a lot of things, for briefings,

2028
01:26:31,580 --> 01:26:34,662
for all kinds of stuff. And what I really
wanted is for those to be synced

2029
01:26:34,662 --> 01:26:36,313
to my calendar so there's the context,

2030
01:26:36,313 --> 01:26:39,955
be able to organize them in notebooks and
then make sure that I don't miss

2031
01:26:39,955 --> 01:26:42,296
any of the to-dos I need to do from those.

2032
01:26:42,296 --> 01:26:46,499
And it's amazing. And I didn't write a
single line of code.

2033
01:26:42,394 --> 01:26:43,586
Jason, this is nuts.

2034
01:26:46,499 --> 01:26:51,972
this is for me. ~ Now this will let me use
Apple intelligence.

2035
01:26:52,194 --> 01:26:55,216
I actually switched it so the summaries
now are coming from chat GPT.

2036
01:26:55,216 --> 01:26:58,479
But so I actually, cause it did a better
job than Apple intelligence

2037
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,362
did because if you have a really long
note,

2038
01:27:01,362 --> 01:27:05,265
the context window is not big enough to
use Apple intelligence on device.

2039
01:27:01,826 --> 01:27:04,055
Yeah. Right.

2040
01:27:05,265 --> 01:27:08,147
So I had to use the API, the chat GPT API.

2041
01:27:08,147 --> 01:27:12,321
So I'm using that and I just created a
settings pane and I can just tell

2042
01:27:12,321 --> 01:27:16,224
it like which, which you could use Gemini,

2043
01:27:13,402 --> 01:27:14,402
you

2044
01:27:16,224 --> 01:27:18,176
you could use quad, you could use chat
GPT.

2045
01:27:18,176 --> 01:27:20,357
~ And I think I put $10 of credit.

2046
01:27:21,078 --> 01:27:24,398
on there and it's used like three and half
cents or something like that.

2047
01:27:24,398 --> 01:27:26,302
It's like it goes a long way. So

2048
01:27:26,168 --> 01:27:27,168
Now,

2049
01:27:26,489 --> 01:27:28,883
okay wait, the notes themselves.

2050
01:27:28,883 --> 01:27:33,333
Are these living in like a proprietary
database in like a folder on your Mac?

2051
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:34,239
It's just

2052
01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:34,333
Are these...

2053
01:27:33,759 --> 01:27:37,181
like notes. So it's just living inside of
the app.

2054
01:27:36,826 --> 01:27:40,160
So there's not a bunch of like markdown
files like Obsidian.

2055
01:27:37,181 --> 01:27:40,663
Nope, nope. can share,

2056
01:27:40,663 --> 01:27:44,545
you can export them like as a Markdown
file and you can actually

2057
01:27:44,545 --> 01:27:49,626
use Markdown to create notes. Like it'll
accept all Markdown formatting.

2058
01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:48,610
Bye bye.

2059
01:27:49,626 --> 01:27:54,020
One thing I'm going to add is what like
Ulysses and Bayer will do is it's like,

2060
01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:56,611
if I have Markdown, can I just export it
as HTML?

2061
01:27:56,376 --> 01:27:57,376
Right, right, right, right.

2062
01:27:56,611 --> 01:27:59,352
Absolutely, it will do that. It doesn't
yet.

2063
01:27:59,352 --> 01:28:02,594
~ I could also just take this and I could

2064
01:28:02,810 --> 01:28:06,030
Hit the share sheet and I could send it to
you as a message and it'll just send

2065
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:08,590
you all the text right now because you
don't this isn't there's

2066
01:28:08,590 --> 01:28:12,210
no sharing between It's not like notes
where you could share a note with somebody

2067
01:28:09,903 --> 01:28:10,903
Right.

2068
01:28:12,210 --> 01:28:15,290
through iCloud So there's no iPhone app or
iPad app,

2069
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:19,189
but they're probably will do that if I can
figure out how to make the Well,

2070
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:21,910
I don't have to figure it out Claude code
will figure out how to make

2071
01:28:20,516 --> 01:28:21,927
Cloud will figure it out. Yeah,

2072
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:24,950
it something that syncs with iCloud and so
you could just access your stuff

2073
01:28:21,927 --> 01:28:26,931
it'll probably

2074
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:26,398
on your phone or whatever so

2075
01:28:27,191 --> 01:28:29,413
add iCloudKit pretty easily.

2076
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:30,471
it'll do all of it. Like, Stephen,

2077
01:28:30,471 --> 01:28:31,471
this

2078
01:28:30,661 --> 01:28:32,492
is insane the way this works. Now,

2079
01:28:32,492 --> 01:28:34,713
yes, I'm not a coder. I am a writer,

2080
01:28:34,713 --> 01:28:36,815
so I could probably figure out coding as
well.

2081
01:28:36,815 --> 01:28:40,537
My point is, this is exactly what I
wanted.

2082
01:28:40,537 --> 01:28:41,838
And I said this before, I said,

2083
01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:41,750
Yeah.

2084
01:28:41,838 --> 01:28:43,929
I think that the hot take here,

2085
01:28:43,929 --> 01:28:45,410
and this is not original to me,

2086
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:49,882
is that the killer skill is not writing
code.

2087
01:28:49,882 --> 01:28:53,284
It is knowing what the app should do.

2088
01:28:53,284 --> 01:28:55,205
It is the idea.

2089
01:28:56,728 --> 01:29:00,201
and the ability to understand and
internalize what the workflow

2090
01:29:00,201 --> 01:29:02,022
and the user experience should be like,

2091
01:29:02,022 --> 01:29:03,904
because now you don't have to write the
code.

2092
01:29:03,904 --> 01:29:05,865
You just have to know that stuff.

2093
01:29:05,865 --> 01:29:08,388
So, which leads me to the second one,

2094
01:29:06,010 --> 01:29:09,890
Yeah, man. You're right, because you vibe
coded two apps.

2095
01:29:08,388 --> 01:29:13,612
which is actually more mind blowing that
it worked than this one.

2096
01:29:13,612 --> 01:29:17,075
Here's what I wanted, Steven. When we're
talking about stuff,

2097
01:29:17,075 --> 01:29:18,736
I wanted to be able to easily be like,

2098
01:29:18,736 --> 01:29:20,047
when did we talk about this thing?

2099
01:29:20,047 --> 01:29:23,640
What do we have to say about whatever?

2100
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,812
I wanted to be able to like think of all
that kind of stuff.

2101
01:29:26,298 --> 01:29:28,749
I was like, well, the only way to do that
is right now you could go

2102
01:29:28,749 --> 01:29:30,991
to Apple podcast and you could go through
every transcript and

2103
01:29:30,991 --> 01:29:35,263
you could search them. Or do we have Mars
on transistor like the transcripts there?

2104
01:29:35,263 --> 01:29:38,545
Yeah, so that's the point.

2105
01:29:35,284 --> 01:29:36,692
Some of them, it's complicated,

2106
01:29:36,692 --> 01:29:39,083
yeah. Yeah.

2107
01:29:38,545 --> 01:29:43,037
It's very complicated. I could download
all the audio and I could transcribe them

2108
01:29:43,037 --> 01:29:44,118
and like copy them into the notion.

2109
01:29:44,118 --> 01:29:46,819
Like, wait a minute, I could download all
the audio,

2110
01:29:46,819 --> 01:29:49,060
transcribe them and then do something with
them.

2111
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:51,832
It's like, well, Claude can make that for
me.

2112
01:29:51,832 --> 01:29:55,574
So literally the little arrows up at the
top there is just

2113
01:29:55,724 --> 01:29:59,776
an RSS feed point to an RSS feed and you
copy an RSS feed in there.

2114
01:29:59,776 --> 01:30:03,098
And what it does is it starts downloading
all the episodes.

2115
01:30:03,098 --> 01:30:05,860
It'll download five at a time and then
it'll start transcribing them.

2116
01:30:05,860 --> 01:30:10,122
And again, this is all just the whisper
transcription on device that it's doing

2117
01:30:10,122 --> 01:30:11,922
this. And once it transcribes one,

2118
01:30:11,922 --> 01:30:14,915
it'll delete that audio. So you're not
storing all of this audio

2119
01:30:14,667 --> 01:30:15,667
Okay, okay.

2120
01:30:14,915 --> 01:30:16,325
and it only downloads five at a time.

2121
01:30:16,325 --> 01:30:19,007
So you don't need like 10 gigs of space
for some of these shows.

2122
01:30:19,007 --> 01:30:21,528
So to download them and then it'll
transcribe them.

2123
01:30:21,528 --> 01:30:23,229
And our show has 130 episodes.

2124
01:30:23,229 --> 01:30:24,650
So it took like overnight.

2125
01:30:24,804 --> 01:30:26,355
to do the transcription, but fine,

2126
01:30:25,465 --> 01:30:28,041
Sure, All right.

2127
01:30:26,355 --> 01:30:29,177
you do that once. And now when this
episode drops,

2128
01:30:29,177 --> 01:30:31,939
it'll just pull it in, because it's just
looking at an RSS feed.

2129
01:30:31,939 --> 01:30:34,041
It'll download the audio, it'll transcribe
it.

2130
01:30:34,041 --> 01:30:37,113
And then you have a chat window and you
can just ask it stuff,

2131
01:30:37,113 --> 01:30:41,006
Stephen. I can be like, yeah, this one is
how have we talked about

2132
01:30:38,339 --> 01:30:39,339
Peace.

2133
01:30:41,006 --> 01:30:42,787
how we handle screen time for our kids'
devices?

2134
01:30:42,787 --> 01:30:46,110
Again, this was a text conversation we
were having with a friend and it'll tell
you.

2135
01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:50,323
Here's the things you said, it gives you a
reference for when that date was,

2136
01:30:50,323 --> 01:30:52,165
and then it shows you all of the episodes.

2137
01:30:52,165 --> 01:30:53,997
And if you were clicking on one of those
sources,

2138
01:30:53,997 --> 01:30:57,920
it would just pull up that transcript and
highlight that section in that transcript.

2139
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:58,735
~ my goodness.

2140
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:03,385
And this one really took more thinking
through because you can also,

2141
01:31:03,385 --> 01:31:04,986
if you go back to the other view,

2142
01:31:04,986 --> 01:31:08,369
just search, like it'll just, you click on
any of those,

2143
01:31:08,369 --> 01:31:12,173
it would just show you the transcript and
you could just do a normal search,

2144
01:31:10,050 --> 01:31:11,050
Yeah.

2145
01:31:12,173 --> 01:31:13,444
like an actual just search.

2146
01:31:13,658 --> 01:31:16,779
through that like you would be able to do
an Apple podcast and that's fine as well.

2147
01:31:16,779 --> 01:31:21,160
But what it was doing is the chat window
was showing up at the bottom

2148
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,171
of each transcript and I'm like,

2149
01:31:22,171 --> 01:31:24,461
well that makes it look like I can only
search the transcript.

2150
01:31:24,461 --> 01:31:27,282
So I had to get it to change the user
interface.

2151
01:31:27,282 --> 01:31:30,783
Then I had to get it to like, I had to
figure out the logic of,

2152
01:31:30,783 --> 01:31:34,504
well if I ask a question, when's the most
recent time we talked about the Mac mini,

2153
01:31:34,504 --> 01:31:37,655
it needs to go back through, find all the
instances of the Mac mini.

2154
01:31:37,655 --> 01:31:39,496
But again, this is using Gemini.

2155
01:31:39,496 --> 01:31:40,496
Even Gemini has a.

2156
01:31:40,548 --> 01:31:42,912
token limit and if you have a show with
500 episodes,

2157
01:31:42,912 --> 01:31:44,905
you can't send all the transcripts,

2158
01:31:44,905 --> 01:31:46,878
right? So it first has to do a search,

2159
01:31:46,878 --> 01:31:50,565
find the most relevant things and really
what the LLM is doing

2160
01:31:50,565 --> 01:31:51,857
is parsing your search.

2161
01:31:52,525 --> 01:31:56,031
Wait, so Google Gemini is the search part
of this app?

2162
01:31:56,503 --> 01:31:59,115
So Google Gemini is the LLM part of this
app.

2163
01:31:59,115 --> 01:32:03,629
So what that means is when I say when's
the last time we've about such

2164
01:31:59,629 --> 01:32:00,629
Pachoo!

2165
01:32:03,629 --> 01:32:06,111
and such thing, Gemini is making sense of
that.

2166
01:32:06,829 --> 01:32:08,937
But you used Claude to build this one too.

2167
01:32:08,937 --> 01:32:11,790
And the transcription is happening through
Whisper,

2168
01:32:09,027 --> 01:32:10,027
Correct. Yep.

2169
01:32:11,790 --> 01:32:12,790
which is OpenAI.

2170
01:32:13,289 --> 01:32:16,308
but it's just open source and it's just
doing it on your Mac.

2171
01:32:16,651 --> 01:32:19,101
Right, right, and then Jim and I is
parsing your request.

2172
01:32:19,101 --> 01:32:20,335
So you have like all three.

2173
01:32:19,121 --> 01:32:20,842
So this one you could

2174
01:32:20,842 --> 01:32:24,004
actually pick, I made this so you could
use Apple intelligence,

2175
01:32:24,004 --> 01:32:25,925
which don't, you could use Gemini,

2176
01:32:25,925 --> 01:32:28,176
you could use OpenAI or chat GBT,

2177
01:32:28,176 --> 01:32:30,107
or you could use Clyde. You can just plug
it in.

2178
01:32:30,107 --> 01:32:32,829
There's just literally a settings pane
that says drop your API

2179
01:32:32,829 --> 01:32:34,690
key here for whichever one you wanna use.

2180
01:32:34,690 --> 01:32:38,652
I just found Gemini did the best job of
parsing the search query

2181
01:32:38,932 --> 01:32:41,624
or parsing the natural language request,

2182
01:32:41,624 --> 01:32:42,985
turning it into a search query,

2183
01:32:42,985 --> 01:32:44,545
finding the relevant examples,

2184
01:32:44,545 --> 01:32:47,127
and then delivering you back the
information you wanted.

2185
01:32:48,053 --> 01:32:51,057
And this one, I'm like, this is a super
niche product because literally

2186
01:32:51,057 --> 01:32:54,674
the only people who could possibly care
are like podcast hosts,

2187
01:32:54,674 --> 01:32:55,674
but.

2188
01:32:55,161 --> 01:32:56,161
No,

2189
01:32:55,581 --> 01:33:00,601
that's not true though. I underscore David
Smith literally has a website,

2190
01:33:00,601 --> 01:33:03,121
I forget what it's called, it's like
podcast search,

2191
01:33:03,121 --> 01:33:07,361
where he transcribes several shows and it
is a public search where

2192
01:33:07,361 --> 01:33:10,281
you can just like, there's a little search
box and you can search and

2193
01:33:08,973 --> 01:33:09,973
Sure.

2194
01:33:10,281 --> 01:33:13,641
it will just tell you what episode of what
podcast that was mentioned

2195
01:33:13,641 --> 01:33:15,741
in or that story was done. So like,

2196
01:33:15,741 --> 01:33:16,741
it's pretty nice.

2197
01:33:17,003 --> 01:33:21,481
I asked it, I said, could you just give me
a list of all the things that Stephen

2198
01:33:21,481 --> 01:33:23,565
has talked about having bought on the
show?

2199
01:33:23,565 --> 01:33:29,707
And it just did it. Yeah.

2200
01:33:27,026 --> 01:33:30,009
That is amazing. listen,

2201
01:33:30,009 --> 01:33:31,491
kudos. mean this is super cool.

2202
01:33:31,491 --> 01:33:35,095
Like these are actually useful super cool
apps and now I'm tempted to

2203
01:33:35,095 --> 01:33:38,418
be like I couldn't get behind Obsidian
because of that UI.

2204
01:33:38,418 --> 01:33:39,418
Yeah.

2205
01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:40,930
Oh, sorry, the

2206
01:33:40,930 --> 01:33:46,590
the the this app will just let you when
you transcribe things just like

2207
01:33:46,590 --> 01:33:49,430
you just want to send all this stuff to
notes or to notion or to obsidian.

2208
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:52,030
And you can just send all those
transcripts to obsidian if you'd prefer

2209
01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:54,210
to use it there. It was do it one click,

2210
01:33:52,714 --> 01:33:53,714
Right, right, right.

2211
01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:55,630
it'll just send it all to obsidian.

2212
01:33:55,630 --> 01:33:57,041
I need to vibe code something.

2213
01:33:57,041 --> 01:34:02,868
want to see if I can make a notes app that
I like as much

2214
01:34:02,868 --> 01:34:07,613
as Bayer for the UI but works with
markdown files in the background.

2215
01:34:07,613 --> 01:34:08,714
I think I'm going try and do it.

2216
01:34:08,714 --> 01:34:10,286
I'm going try and make a better Obsidian.

2217
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:16,343
It's probably like not it's it's
shockingly less difficult again the making

2218
01:34:16,343 --> 01:34:19,924
of the app version one of this took not
very long at all and then I'm like,

2219
01:34:19,516 --> 01:34:20,516
All right.

2220
01:34:19,924 --> 01:34:23,036
~ well, if I hit command, command B,

2221
01:34:23,036 --> 01:34:26,327
it should just bold things but that wasn't
I didn't tell it to do that.

2222
01:34:26,327 --> 01:34:28,969
So I had to go back and like build those
things in if it's like,

2223
01:34:28,969 --> 01:34:32,440
if I add the h1 header to something and I
hit return,

2224
01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:34,571
it should go back to body, you know,

2225
01:34:34,571 --> 01:34:36,782
text and said, I want like five different

2226
01:34:34,819 --> 01:34:35,819
Right.

2227
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,151
font options because I don't necessarily
want SF mono or whatever like

2228
01:34:41,116 --> 01:34:44,134
Right, right, right. You gotta tell it all
the things.

2229
01:34:41,151 --> 01:34:44,922
you know what I mean a system font or
something so you just have to think

2230
01:34:44,922 --> 01:34:49,273
it through it's like if I hit command and
it should just open a new note like

2231
01:34:49,273 --> 01:34:52,804
it should just do that and then also this
is actually kind of cool

2232
01:34:50,139 --> 01:34:51,139
Right, right.

2233
01:34:53,384 --> 01:34:57,202
if and if something on your calendar is
about to happen it'll just say

2234
01:34:57,202 --> 01:34:59,706
do you want to create a new note for its
surfaces that and says do you want

2235
01:34:59,523 --> 01:35:00,523
~ my word.

2236
01:34:59,706 --> 01:35:02,337
a new note for that but if you've already
created a note let's say

2237
01:35:02,337 --> 01:35:05,608
you were taking notes in advance for your
meeting it'll say you've already created

2238
01:35:05,608 --> 01:35:06,608
this note do you just want to

2239
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:08,140
It's really cool.

2240
01:35:07,831 --> 01:35:10,459
Wow, all right. This is very cool.

2241
01:35:10,459 --> 01:35:14,052
This is very cool. will... People are
going to want these apps,

2242
01:35:14,052 --> 01:35:15,052
Jason.

2243
01:35:14,404 --> 01:35:17,615
You can email the other guy at whatever
our email is.

2244
01:35:17,212 --> 01:35:18,212
PrimaryTech.fm.

2245
01:35:17,615 --> 01:35:22,037
Yeah, the other guy, and let me know if
you think either of these are viable apps.

2246
01:35:22,037 --> 01:35:25,939
They are nowhere near ready to be
available to other people because

2247
01:35:25,979 --> 01:35:27,126
I didn't write any of this code,

2248
01:35:27,126 --> 01:35:28,480
so I don't actually know what's happening.

2249
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:33,602
I would need to find someone to like QA
these and make sure that they're okay,

2250
01:35:32,230 --> 01:35:33,230
Yes.

2251
01:35:33,602 --> 01:35:34,602
but yeah.

2252
01:35:34,532 --> 01:35:36,873
That is wild. Well, very cool.

2253
01:35:36,873 --> 01:35:39,372
That is super cool. And man, that gets me
excited.

2254
01:35:39,372 --> 01:35:40,674
It makes me want to try and vibe cut
something.

2255
01:35:40,674 --> 01:35:44,334
But anyway, email the other guy at
primarytech.fm if you have questions

2256
01:35:44,334 --> 01:35:46,425
or want him to publish these something.

2257
01:35:46,425 --> 01:35:48,353
That's very cool. We're going to talk,

2258
01:35:46,490 --> 01:35:47,490
Yeah.

2259
01:35:48,353 --> 01:35:51,366
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2260
01:35:51,366 --> 01:35:53,897
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2261
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2262
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2263
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2264
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2267
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2268
01:36:08,955 --> 01:36:11,365
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2269
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2272
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