1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,760 Hello, and welcome to pickleball Therapy, the podcast dedicated to 2 00:00:02,785 --> 00:00:03,920 your pickleball improvement. 3 00:00:03,945 --> 00:00:05,900 This is a special episode of the podcast. 4 00:00:05,925 --> 00:00:11,255 We're fortunate to have with us a special guest, the incomparable Sara Weiss. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 If you're watching me on YouTube, you can see me pointing to behind me. 6 00:00:13,745 --> 00:00:16,220 If you can't, you just hear it, which is fine, too. 7 00:00:16,245 --> 00:00:20,520 Remember that our podcast is available on YouTube as well as on this platform 8 00:00:20,545 --> 00:00:22,060 that you're listening to it on. 9 00:00:22,085 --> 00:00:25,260 It's a really good interview with Sara where we talk about 10 00:00:25,285 --> 00:00:29,540 the interaction between pickleball and life, how those two work together. 11 00:00:29,565 --> 00:00:35,375 You'll hear about Sarah's personal journey in pickleball, and also this concept 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,600 of being an animal on the court. 13 00:00:36,625 --> 00:00:39,215 It's a really cool way of thinking about... 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,480 It's like a self-to concept that you're familiar with the inner game of tennis or 15 00:00:42,505 --> 00:00:45,935 our teachings here at the pickleball system inside the pickleball system. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,940 But the idea of being an animal on the court is really interesting. 17 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:51,900 So I'm going to jump into the interview with Sara Weiss. 18 00:00:51,925 --> 00:00:54,080 I hope you enjoy it. 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Sara, it's a pleasure to have you on the pickleball Therapy podcast. 20 00:00:57,305 --> 00:00:59,940 Thanks for taking the time. How are you doing today? 21 00:00:59,965 --> 00:01:02,500 I'm fantastic. Thank you so much for having me. 22 00:01:02,525 --> 00:01:04,210 Absolutely. It's a pleasure. 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,600 I have known about you and your pickleball journey for a while now, and it's a 24 00:01:09,625 --> 00:01:12,740 pleasure to get you on the podcast and talk about your journey. 25 00:01:12,765 --> 00:01:17,900 I now know, I didn't know this back then, but I now know that 26 00:01:17,925 --> 00:01:21,760 you've worked and continue to work in the personal development, 27 00:01:21,785 --> 00:01:24,700 personal growth area field. 28 00:01:24,725 --> 00:01:30,120 And so it's awesome to have someone with your knowledge and your experiences on the 29 00:01:30,145 --> 00:01:32,360 podcast to be able to talk to us about that. 30 00:01:32,385 --> 00:01:35,280 So let's dive into pickleball, Sarah. 31 00:01:35,305 --> 00:01:37,920 So tell us, how did you get involved in pickleball? 32 00:01:37,945 --> 00:01:41,620 And talk to us a little bit about your journey so far through pickleball. 33 00:01:41,645 --> 00:01:42,620 Sure. Sure. 34 00:01:42,645 --> 00:01:46,540 Personal development is important in this. 35 00:01:46,565 --> 00:01:49,480 With all the distractions and the craziness. 36 00:01:49,505 --> 00:01:52,140 And for me, I don't come from sports. 37 00:01:52,165 --> 00:01:55,200 So my background is personal development. 38 00:01:55,225 --> 00:01:57,760 I had a life coaching business. Actually, I still do. 39 00:01:57,785 --> 00:02:02,490 I still life coach, but I've And I shifted it into the pickleball life coaching. 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,290 And I was so busy. I lived on Zoom. 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,560 This was about three years ago. 42 00:02:07,585 --> 00:02:10,320 I was living on Zoom in my dining room. 43 00:02:10,345 --> 00:02:14,400 I had this little office set up on my dining room table, and my kids' 44 00:02:14,425 --> 00:02:16,095 lives was happening right behind me. 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,400 And I'm always shushing them because I'm teaching, I'm doing webinars, I'm 46 00:02:19,425 --> 00:02:21,520 running group calls and private calls. 47 00:02:21,545 --> 00:02:24,815 I'm teaching people how to live their best life while my kids' lives 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,760 are happening behind me. 49 00:02:25,785 --> 00:02:28,420 And I was starting to resent that a little bit. 50 00:02:28,445 --> 00:02:33,280 I was making very good money, but I was burning out and not living the 51 00:02:33,305 --> 00:02:37,560 life I really wanted, which was to be present with my family and to serve my 52 00:02:37,585 --> 00:02:42,120 family more than I was serving all of my clients, which to me was really important. 53 00:02:42,145 --> 00:02:46,720 I had this purpose and this passion for something I loved, but it was also taking 54 00:02:46,745 --> 00:02:48,900 me away from doing that with my family. 55 00:02:48,925 --> 00:02:54,335 But one day, I'm sitting watching Netflix and I get this production anxiety. 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,160 I wasn't being productive. 57 00:02:55,185 --> 00:02:58,440 I was watching Netflix in the middle of the day, and I'm 33 at this point, and 58 00:02:58,465 --> 00:03:00,640 I'm feeling that anxiety watching Netflix. 59 00:03:00,665 --> 00:03:04,180 I'm like, I don't know that that's how I want to feel right now. 60 00:03:04,205 --> 00:03:05,880 And I had this big introspection. 61 00:03:05,905 --> 00:03:08,135 I'm like, what's actually missing from my life? 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,800 Because I'm living my purpose. I'm serving. 63 00:03:09,825 --> 00:03:11,000 I'm making impact. 64 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:14,740 I'm doing something positive with my life, and I'm making good money doing it. 65 00:03:14,765 --> 00:03:18,780 And I'm sitting there, I'm like, what is it actually that's missing? 66 00:03:18,805 --> 00:03:22,280 Obviously, I want to spend more time with my family, but my heart said, 67 00:03:22,305 --> 00:03:24,460 you're not having much fun. 68 00:03:24,485 --> 00:03:26,815 You're not having fun. Go have fun. 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,440 I was like, okay, well, what am I going to do? 70 00:03:28,465 --> 00:03:30,800 Go to a water park? I took my kids to a water park. 71 00:03:30,825 --> 00:03:34,140 And I was like, okay, this is cool, but I want more. 72 00:03:34,165 --> 00:03:39,100 And I think it was about two months later, someone invited me to try playing tennis, 73 00:03:39,125 --> 00:03:43,655 and they took me to what they thought was a tennis court and turned 74 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,100 out to be a pickleball court. We had no idea what it was. 75 00:03:46,125 --> 00:03:47,240 He's hitting the ball to me. 76 00:03:47,265 --> 00:03:49,840 He's like, I'm pretty sure this isn't a tennis court, but I 77 00:03:49,865 --> 00:03:50,880 have no idea what it is. 78 00:03:50,905 --> 00:03:53,880 And he kept stopping like, It's bothering me. 79 00:03:53,905 --> 00:03:56,680 I don't know what this is. 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,600 So we went home, we googled it, and we found out about Ben and Analee 81 00:04:00,625 --> 00:04:02,380 Waters playing the sport. 82 00:04:02,405 --> 00:04:05,840 One of the greatest female players was 14 at the time. 83 00:04:05,865 --> 00:04:09,100 I was like, What is this? How have we never heard of it? 84 00:04:09,125 --> 00:04:11,055 So we went to get these cheap paddles. 85 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,340 We started hitting the ball. 86 00:04:12,365 --> 00:04:14,960 And again, I don't come from sports, so I'm like, Okay, whatever. 87 00:04:14,985 --> 00:04:17,100 I'll do this just to have fun with a friend. 88 00:04:17,125 --> 00:04:21,415 And every time I hit that ball and heard that sound, I was like, 89 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,660 What's happening right now? 90 00:04:22,685 --> 00:04:25,360 Why am I liking this so much? You were transforming, Sarah. 91 00:04:25,385 --> 00:04:28,460 I was transforming you, the pop, pop sound. 92 00:04:28,485 --> 00:04:30,140 In real time. 93 00:04:30,165 --> 00:04:32,940 So I started to just... 94 00:04:32,965 --> 00:04:35,860 Yeah, I was just enjoying something very simple. 95 00:04:35,885 --> 00:04:38,815 And all of a sudden, I wanted more. 96 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,640 I was like, I wanted more. 97 00:04:39,665 --> 00:04:41,220 And I'm thinking about it as I'm going to sleep. 98 00:04:41,245 --> 00:04:43,600 I'm like, how can I better play this game? 99 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:46,180 Because I'm getting my butt kicked by this guy. 100 00:04:46,205 --> 00:04:47,960 I was so uncoordinated. 101 00:04:47,985 --> 00:04:51,860 I was really, really terrible at it, but I was starting to get better and better, 102 00:04:51,885 --> 00:04:53,620 but I wanted to get better, faster. 103 00:04:53,645 --> 00:04:55,120 So I started watching videos. 104 00:04:55,145 --> 00:04:57,215 I started following the pros. 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,000 And then I wanted to play doubles because it was just singles at that 106 00:05:00,025 --> 00:05:02,840 And we looked for people. We found a club. 107 00:05:02,865 --> 00:05:05,780 It was like all of a sudden, it was happening so fast. 108 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:09,720 And I got invited into this group where I was always at the bottom of King's 109 00:05:09,745 --> 00:05:11,580 Court, and it drove me nuts. 110 00:05:11,605 --> 00:05:17,080 These Peter Pauls and Doris who are well-retired or kicking my butt. 111 00:05:17,105 --> 00:05:20,780 And I'm like, that's unacceptable. 112 00:05:20,805 --> 00:05:22,560 So I started to take it serious. 113 00:05:22,585 --> 00:05:27,080 And all of a sudden, I'm so consumed by this sport, this game. 114 00:05:27,105 --> 00:05:30,480 And I'm like, this is what I want my life to focus on right now. 115 00:05:30,505 --> 00:05:33,380 It feels so good. I feel amazing. 116 00:05:33,405 --> 00:05:35,180 I'm treating my clients better. 117 00:05:35,205 --> 00:05:37,560 My family is getting a better side of me. 118 00:05:37,585 --> 00:05:40,160 And I started to put my business of life coaching. 119 00:05:40,185 --> 00:05:44,140 I stopped building it. I stopped taking it so serious. 120 00:05:44,165 --> 00:05:48,040 I let my current clients stick with me and I stopped building the clientele. 121 00:05:48,065 --> 00:05:51,780 And I made a balance between pickleball and life coaching. 122 00:05:51,805 --> 00:05:57,140 And it has led me to this amazing place where now I'm playing pro-qualifiers. 123 00:05:57,165 --> 00:05:58,960 I'm well-sponsored. 124 00:05:58,985 --> 00:06:02,000 It's something that I I talk about a lot on my social media. 125 00:06:02,025 --> 00:06:06,320 I coach, and I'm like the pickleball life coach because as we all know, this 126 00:06:06,345 --> 00:06:08,980 becomes a lifestyle, becomes our lives. 127 00:06:09,005 --> 00:06:13,480 So I've now been able to marry my life coaching with pickleball, and it really 128 00:06:13,505 --> 00:06:18,080 does marry very well because when you're playing pickleball, it's like it amplifies 129 00:06:18,105 --> 00:06:20,740 everything you do in your daily life. 130 00:06:20,765 --> 00:06:24,800 So if you find yourself getting frustrated, maybe because of your partner, 131 00:06:24,825 --> 00:06:29,255 maybe because of distractions, that's how you treat your life. 132 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,760 It's something that I've learned about myself through playing. 133 00:06:31,785 --> 00:06:37,140 It's like, well, if this is how I handle this distraction or this challenge or this 134 00:06:37,165 --> 00:06:39,960 opportunity, how do I do it in my daily life? 135 00:06:39,985 --> 00:06:42,200 And when you look at it, it's very similar. 136 00:06:42,225 --> 00:06:43,780 It's like, huh? 137 00:06:43,805 --> 00:06:48,680 So I've been able to not only coach myself through that and learn how to use my mind 138 00:06:48,705 --> 00:06:53,680 and my perspective and my focus on the court, but how to take what I'm learning 139 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:57,080 on the court into my real life and help teach other people who I 140 00:06:57,105 --> 00:06:59,460 coach through pickleball. So it's been really cool. 141 00:06:59,485 --> 00:07:01,100 And here I am. 142 00:07:01,125 --> 00:07:02,280 That is awesome. 143 00:07:02,305 --> 00:07:06,160 And what's interesting to hear is how different... 144 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,615 Everybody has their own story, how they came across this sport. 145 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,680 Mine, I don't think I shared with you. 146 00:07:11,705 --> 00:07:15,080 Mine is basically just I play tennis and I met my wife playing 147 00:07:15,105 --> 00:07:18,720 tennis on a mixed doubles team, and a mutual friend who was the captain of 148 00:07:18,745 --> 00:07:21,440 our mixed doubles team took us to play pickleball one day. 149 00:07:21,465 --> 00:07:25,615 And I'm thinking this is in 2015. 150 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,280 I'm thinking it's going to be some BS. 151 00:07:27,305 --> 00:07:30,695 Yeah, but I wasn't anti-pickleball, but I wasn't Because I didn't 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,980 know what pickleball was. I wasn't like, there wasn't that yet. 153 00:07:33,005 --> 00:07:34,360 It wasn't the tennis versus pickleball. 154 00:07:34,385 --> 00:07:36,455 I was just like, okay, whatever. 155 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,480 We're going to go on a court and pop a ball around with some more 156 00:07:38,505 --> 00:07:40,780 people and we'll have lunch. It'll be fine. 157 00:07:40,805 --> 00:07:45,420 And then I got my butt kicked by who was the local 158 00:07:45,445 --> 00:07:48,740 Back then, he was the local tennis and pickleball pro at that facility. 159 00:07:48,765 --> 00:07:50,100 Super nice guy named Steve. 160 00:07:50,125 --> 00:07:53,215 And he put a whipping on me and I started to think, I'm like, 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,940 wait a minute, this is actually a sport? 162 00:07:54,965 --> 00:07:57,175 And so then that's where I went down my path. 163 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,420 But what's interesting to hear your path is basically you're like... 164 00:07:59,445 --> 00:08:02,120 And it Think about it, it's just total happenstance, right? 165 00:08:02,145 --> 00:08:05,900 You go to a facility and you're like, you're going to play tennis. 166 00:08:05,925 --> 00:08:08,935 And thank God for you that your friend... 167 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,160 I would have stepped out of court, but like, Oh, this isn't a tennis court. 168 00:08:11,185 --> 00:08:11,900 Let's go somewhere else. 169 00:08:11,925 --> 00:08:13,920 Because I know immediately I'm like, this is not right. 170 00:08:13,945 --> 00:08:16,520 But your friend was at And he's like, maybe. 171 00:08:16,545 --> 00:08:19,880 So you stuck around long enough to keep hanging out a little bit till 172 00:08:19,905 --> 00:08:21,860 you got the figured it out. 173 00:08:21,885 --> 00:08:26,400 But let me ask you this because a lot of pickleball players, and a lot of 174 00:08:26,425 --> 00:08:33,500 listeners of the podcast, by extension, are folks that that didn't come from 175 00:08:33,525 --> 00:08:36,520 either any racquet sports background or any athletic background, a 176 00:08:36,545 --> 00:08:37,820 serious athletic background. 177 00:08:37,845 --> 00:08:40,180 And so let me ask you a question on... 178 00:08:40,205 --> 00:08:43,460 Let's pivot away from the mental and we'll come back to the mental. 179 00:08:43,485 --> 00:08:47,640 What's one thing that maybe if you can think back to the beginning of your 180 00:08:47,665 --> 00:08:51,400 process, when you're at the bottom of King Court and all that stuff, is there 181 00:08:51,425 --> 00:08:56,815 something that was a wake-up moment for you in your progression as a player? 182 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,680 I'm not talking about playing pro-qualified, which is fantastic. 183 00:08:58,705 --> 00:08:58,960 You're doing that. 184 00:08:58,985 --> 00:09:02,040 I'm talking about Further back on your journey, was there something 185 00:09:02,065 --> 00:09:05,400 that you were like, Wow, this is the thing that's changing 186 00:09:05,425 --> 00:09:10,020 things for me because now I understand fill in the blank with whatever it is? 187 00:09:10,045 --> 00:09:15,800 Well, there's so many pieces of that puzzle that made me get 188 00:09:15,825 --> 00:09:17,200 addicted as we all get. 189 00:09:17,225 --> 00:09:20,775 And I think one of the biggest pieces, and you'll probably hear this a 190 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,440 lot, is the people, right? You're playing and you're socializing. 191 00:09:23,465 --> 00:09:27,300 And it's almost like it lets your guard down. 192 00:09:27,325 --> 00:09:31,200 And to be able to do something primal and instinctive. 193 00:09:31,225 --> 00:09:32,960 And that was new to me. 194 00:09:32,985 --> 00:09:37,440 I guess people who have played and come from a sport background are already 195 00:09:37,465 --> 00:09:40,000 familiar with that primal instinctive thing. 196 00:09:40,025 --> 00:09:41,420 That was new to me. 197 00:09:41,445 --> 00:09:45,600 Everything that I had done up until that point with my life coaching and whatever 198 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:51,060 education and business entrepreneurial ventures I've done are calculated and you 199 00:09:51,085 --> 00:09:54,580 plan for it, you structure, all this stuff. 200 00:09:54,605 --> 00:09:57,620 I get to be on the court and I don't have to overthink. 201 00:09:57,645 --> 00:10:00,420 And I think about a lot of things. 202 00:10:00,445 --> 00:10:05,575 On here, before I get on this podcast, I'm thinking, what do I 203 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,320 want to get out of this? What do I want to give out of this? 204 00:10:07,345 --> 00:10:08,400 How do I want to serve? 205 00:10:08,425 --> 00:10:10,840 How do I want to bring value? All that stuff. 206 00:10:10,865 --> 00:10:12,860 And who's showing up today? 207 00:10:12,885 --> 00:10:16,780 When I'm on the court, all that's gone. 208 00:10:16,805 --> 00:10:22,820 I just show up and I let the animalistic primal version of myself 209 00:10:22,845 --> 00:10:29,040 do things and respond in the moment and get competitive and 210 00:10:29,065 --> 00:10:30,280 have fun at the same time. 211 00:10:30,305 --> 00:10:33,340 And it's just very primal. 212 00:10:33,365 --> 00:10:35,020 That was that clicked with me. 213 00:10:35,045 --> 00:10:40,880 It's like, okay, I'm going to let the animal version of Sarah free today and not 214 00:10:40,905 --> 00:10:47,900 worry about what my kids are doing, what my business is doing, what I'm 215 00:10:47,925 --> 00:10:50,220 saying here, what I'm thinking here. 216 00:10:50,245 --> 00:10:53,580 I'm just going to show up and be an animal. 217 00:10:53,605 --> 00:10:56,740 That's interesting because it's like a respite for you from the 218 00:10:56,765 --> 00:11:00,400 constraints of civilized society. You want to think about it that way? 219 00:11:00,425 --> 00:11:03,300 The constraints of the- Freedom. Right. 220 00:11:03,325 --> 00:11:07,055 I'm thinking about, and I think maybe we talked about this, that book, 221 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,040 The Inner Game of Tennis. 222 00:11:08,065 --> 00:11:09,940 I'm not sure if we talked about that in our last conversation. 223 00:11:09,965 --> 00:11:13,040 I recall talking about somebody recently, but maybe it wasn't you. 224 00:11:13,065 --> 00:11:13,815 I'm not sure. 225 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,540 But The Inner Game of Tennis is That's the concept of self-two in there. 226 00:11:16,565 --> 00:11:21,300 Self-two is what you're describing, which is the 227 00:11:21,325 --> 00:11:26,600 part of us that just naturally knows how to do things without needing 228 00:11:26,625 --> 00:11:28,860 to be told every detail. 229 00:11:28,885 --> 00:11:32,120 You can think of something It's simple like getting up from where you're 230 00:11:32,145 --> 00:11:33,815 at now and going to another room. 231 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,240 It's not like you're like, left foot, right foot, left foot, right 232 00:11:36,265 --> 00:11:37,400 foot, turn left, turn right. 233 00:11:37,425 --> 00:11:41,000 Whereas a lot of things in our life, we process. 234 00:11:41,025 --> 00:11:46,480 I think that's something that actually holds back players sometimes in their 235 00:11:46,505 --> 00:11:52,640 development is as players, they get so micro-focused on like, I must 236 00:11:52,665 --> 00:11:54,855 hold a paddle in exactly this. 237 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,000 My fingers must look like this as I hold the paddle because if they're like 238 00:11:58,025 --> 00:12:00,780 this, then that's not correct. It's got to be like this. 239 00:12:00,805 --> 00:12:05,615 And so if you're listening to this in audio, not watching us in video, what I'm 240 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,320 doing is I'm just changing my fingers a little bit in my hand. 241 00:12:07,345 --> 00:12:10,260 But literally, players do that micro thing. 242 00:12:10,285 --> 00:12:15,200 And I'll tell you, I took a friend of mine who hasn't played any sports 243 00:12:15,225 --> 00:12:19,420 ever, and she's around 70-ish. 244 00:12:19,445 --> 00:12:21,720 And so lost her husband recently. 245 00:12:21,745 --> 00:12:24,860 So I was like, Let's just go play pickleball. 246 00:12:24,885 --> 00:12:28,535 Frankly, I hadn't thought about this before I took her, but we were talking 247 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,520 about some other things that she had done, and she doesn't do them anymore 248 00:12:30,545 --> 00:12:32,535 because it reminds her of him. 249 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,060 They never played pickleball together. 250 00:12:34,085 --> 00:12:37,800 I'm like, This is something you can do where you can meet friends 251 00:12:37,825 --> 00:12:39,055 and not feel like... 252 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,780 There's not these memories all over the course or anything like that. 253 00:12:41,805 --> 00:12:44,015 But anyway, so we went to do it. 254 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,560 I'm walking her through one of the things on the serve, but when she 255 00:12:46,585 --> 00:12:47,980 played, it was a beginner group. 256 00:12:48,005 --> 00:12:51,800 She was like, I could see her just hyper-focusing on her 257 00:12:51,825 --> 00:12:55,940 paddle, not letting her animal, what you mentioned, the animal go 258 00:12:55,965 --> 00:12:57,215 be loose and be free. 259 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,400 I think that's an interesting way of thinking about when you're playing. 260 00:13:00,425 --> 00:13:00,980 Yeah, exactly. 261 00:13:01,005 --> 00:13:04,640 If you're listening to audio, Sarah is given the tiger thing. 262 00:13:04,665 --> 00:13:07,600 Yeah, you got to do the audio, too, Sarah. 263 00:13:07,625 --> 00:13:11,240 We got to throw that in there for the audiolizumine. 264 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,200 But let's talk a little bit about, and thanks for sharing. 265 00:13:14,225 --> 00:13:16,980 That's a really interesting way of framing it. 266 00:13:17,005 --> 00:13:20,440 Let's talk a little bit more about this idea of... 267 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Because you and I did, I know we spent some time talking about 268 00:13:23,025 --> 00:13:26,895 this, which was how... 269 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,000 And you've mentioned a couple of times, like pickleball life, 270 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:31,320 coaching, pickleball life. And I think that's something that... 271 00:13:31,345 --> 00:13:34,400 I think players have a suspicion of it. 272 00:13:34,425 --> 00:13:38,540 They know it's there, and you see the terms thrown out and stuff like that. 273 00:13:38,565 --> 00:13:42,680 But maybe let's talk about that a little bit more about the 274 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:51,735 way that pickleball and life coexist in a very, I 275 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,880 don't want to say dependent manner. 276 00:13:52,905 --> 00:13:56,295 I'm trying to think of the right way of saying it, but basically where they 277 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,940 interlace, the two interlace together. 278 00:13:57,965 --> 00:14:05,615 And it's not you can go play pickleball separate from your life and that the 279 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,960 pickleball is not going to then impact your life later. 280 00:14:06,985 --> 00:14:10,520 So maybe let's play with that a little bit, Sarah, and let's talk about how you 281 00:14:10,545 --> 00:14:17,000 view the interaction of pickleball and the overall life experience of players. 282 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,500 Well, I had this mentor once, and one of the biggest things that 283 00:14:21,525 --> 00:14:26,220 they mentioned to me was how you do one thing is how you do everything. 284 00:14:26,245 --> 00:14:30,780 And if you really look at how you respond and react to certain scenarios and you 285 00:14:30,805 --> 00:14:33,440 ask yourself, well, where else do I do this in my life? 286 00:14:33,465 --> 00:14:35,620 You'll notice that it matches up. 287 00:14:35,645 --> 00:14:41,960 And sport and pickleball gives us such a good opportunity to check how we 288 00:14:41,985 --> 00:14:44,340 handle situations instinctively. 289 00:14:44,365 --> 00:14:46,420 Like I was saying, how we become animalistic. 290 00:14:46,445 --> 00:14:51,480 And it's you rely on your instincts in a moment because as that ball is attacked 291 00:14:51,505 --> 00:14:53,220 at you, you have to have reflexes. 292 00:14:53,245 --> 00:14:54,760 You're not calculating it. 293 00:14:54,785 --> 00:14:57,740 It's something that you respond and react to. 294 00:14:57,765 --> 00:15:01,220 And that happens when a It all rolls onto your court 295 00:15:01,245 --> 00:15:03,940 for the fifth time in two rallies. 296 00:15:03,965 --> 00:15:05,340 And how do you feel? 297 00:15:05,365 --> 00:15:08,620 Now your emotions are involved and you start to have reactions, 298 00:15:08,645 --> 00:15:10,380 which are different from responses. 299 00:15:10,405 --> 00:15:13,300 Responses are calculated, reactions are instinctive and happen 300 00:15:13,325 --> 00:15:15,580 really quickly, and usually they're emotional. 301 00:15:15,605 --> 00:15:19,140 So a couple bad out calls. How do you react? 302 00:15:19,165 --> 00:15:23,180 A partner who's weaker than you and is not helping you win the game. 303 00:15:23,205 --> 00:15:24,400 How do you react to that? 304 00:15:24,425 --> 00:15:26,220 How do you treat them? 305 00:15:26,245 --> 00:15:31,280 All these little moments, I mean, obviously for someone me on social media, 306 00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:34,680 I get a lot of things said my way and directed. 307 00:15:34,705 --> 00:15:38,300 Most people know a little bit about my past and where I stand in this sport. 308 00:15:38,325 --> 00:15:39,900 So I have to deal with that. 309 00:15:39,925 --> 00:15:44,535 And we all have things in our lives that are happening in the background, and we 310 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,200 sometimes bring our stress onto the cord. 311 00:15:46,225 --> 00:15:47,380 And there's all these little things. 312 00:15:47,405 --> 00:15:53,620 It's like, you got to ask yourself, how am I doing this in my other side of my life? 313 00:15:53,645 --> 00:15:55,740 Because, again, this amplifies it. 314 00:15:55,765 --> 00:15:57,660 You get more emotional on the court. 315 00:15:57,685 --> 00:16:02,060 Anyone ever see someone throw a hissy or throw a paddle. 316 00:16:02,085 --> 00:16:03,260 It's emotional. 317 00:16:03,285 --> 00:16:08,100 It really pushes us, and we get to feel all our emotions times 10. 318 00:16:08,125 --> 00:16:12,020 So I love looking at when I overreact on something. 319 00:16:12,045 --> 00:16:16,820 And let's all be honest, we all get to see these versions of ourselves, 320 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:22,960 this animalistic version that maybe overreacts, overfeels, over-expresses. 321 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,960 And I always ask myself, well, where else am I doing this in my life? 322 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,800 And I remember the moment that I was starting to get good, 323 00:16:28,825 --> 00:16:30,480 I was getting around 4. 324 00:16:30,505 --> 00:16:36,060 0, and I started to then go from, oh, this is just fun to now I'm competitive. 325 00:16:36,085 --> 00:16:39,840 Now I have a bit of an ego because I have expectations for how good I am and who I 326 00:16:39,865 --> 00:16:42,460 should be able to beat and who I shouldn't lose to. 327 00:16:42,485 --> 00:16:45,820 And I've got this partner who's a little weaker than me. 328 00:16:45,845 --> 00:16:50,320 And I start feeling that huffy puffy, like eye roll attitude in me. 329 00:16:50,345 --> 00:16:54,280 And I'm like, whoa, whoa, who am I being right now? 330 00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:58,100 And I had to check myself and go, do I do this in my daily life? 331 00:16:58,125 --> 00:17:02,880 Is there anyone in my life who I I maybe mistreat or look down upon because 332 00:17:02,905 --> 00:17:06,290 they're not who I need them to be or expect them to be? 333 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,740 And I looked in my life and I noticed a couple spots where it's like, oh, 334 00:17:10,765 --> 00:17:12,380 I'm doing that. 335 00:17:12,405 --> 00:17:14,240 And it was a big wake up call for me. 336 00:17:14,265 --> 00:17:18,050 And I had to ask myself, who do I want to be on the court and outside of the court? 337 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Who do I want to show up? 338 00:17:20,105 --> 00:17:21,900 How do I want to serve people? 339 00:17:21,925 --> 00:17:25,640 And the big answer to that was like, I want to be that supportive, encouraging 340 00:17:25,665 --> 00:17:30,320 cheerleader that I put myself out there as to my clients. 341 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,500 And it brought me to this place where it's like, okay, that's a shift that I need to 342 00:17:34,525 --> 00:17:37,560 make not only on the pickleball court, but in my whole life. 343 00:17:37,585 --> 00:17:43,360 And I noticed how where certain situations would cause me to feel like, 344 00:17:43,385 --> 00:17:46,740 okay, you're not living up to who you are supposed to live up to. 345 00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:50,640 Instead of feeling that frustration about it, it was like, how 346 00:17:50,665 --> 00:17:52,010 can I encourage you to do so? 347 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,975 How can I be there for you, support you, and cheer you on? 348 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,500 So the big answer to me was, I want to be a cheerleader. 349 00:17:57,525 --> 00:17:59,000 I want to cheer my friends on. 350 00:17:59,025 --> 00:18:01,770 I want to cheer my clients I want to cheer my partners on. 351 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,095 And what happened in my life was amazing. 352 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:05,860 And what happened on my court was amazing. 353 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:07,560 I would play with players weaker than me. 354 00:18:07,585 --> 00:18:12,570 And we would end up winning games that we, on paper, shouldn't win because instead of 355 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,250 getting frustrated, I'd be like, that's okay, you got this. 356 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,480 And all of a sudden- You view them with your confidence and they're playing with 357 00:18:19,505 --> 00:18:20,640 you, so they're playing more confident. 358 00:18:20,665 --> 00:18:24,135 So I think that cheerleader thing, Sarah, is super, super... 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200 I mean, imagine a world in which everybody was a cheerleader, right? 360 00:18:27,225 --> 00:18:30,720 It'd be amazing. I cheerlead you, you cheerlead me. 361 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,530 Where sometimes I think people feel that they need to 362 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,180 tear down other people in order... 363 00:18:39,205 --> 00:18:40,895 I guess, in order to feel better. 364 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,160 I'm not sure what the motivation is, because you can't really fill in a proper 365 00:18:44,185 --> 00:18:45,680 motivation at the end of that paper. 366 00:18:45,705 --> 00:18:48,975 It's a way to blame them for us losing, right? 367 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 So it's not on us. That's one aspect, though. 368 00:18:51,025 --> 00:18:55,860 But I was talking bigger picture, where people go out of their way to 369 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:57,000 tear down somebody else. 370 00:18:57,025 --> 00:19:01,455 And you're like, what's the play in? Who are you getting out of it? 371 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,840 Right. You don't get anything out of it. 372 00:19:02,865 --> 00:19:05,800 All you're doing is tearing somebody else down for no reason. 373 00:19:05,825 --> 00:19:07,660 And we're get to lead each other. 374 00:19:07,685 --> 00:19:13,375 But I think what you said about the way you do one thing is 375 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,140 the way you do everything. 376 00:19:14,165 --> 00:19:18,080 I think it's interesting also to maybe flip that on its head a little bit, right? 377 00:19:18,105 --> 00:19:19,960 Which is... 378 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,855 One thing, I mean, obviously, if you're noticing behavior, you're doing a 379 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,160 pickleball court, like you said, makes sense, right? 380 00:19:27,185 --> 00:19:29,240 You're probably doing it off the pickleball court, too, right? 381 00:19:29,265 --> 00:19:34,570 With your family, with your friends, with your coworkers, things like that. 382 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,420 But the other thing, and this is something that I think, the 383 00:19:38,445 --> 00:19:43,290 more I've gone down my own mental journey in pickleball, the more I understand that 384 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,160 what I can fix in pickleball extends the other way. 385 00:19:48,185 --> 00:19:53,295 So it's like I can use pickleball as a microcosm to improve myself and to improve 386 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,960 my behavior to stop the eye rolls and things, because I used 387 00:19:55,985 --> 00:19:56,480 to do the same thing. 388 00:19:56,505 --> 00:19:59,140 I used to have the eye roll thing and stuff like that. 389 00:19:59,165 --> 00:20:01,460 I'm I'm not saying I never do it. 390 00:20:01,485 --> 00:20:07,960 I'm not perfect, but I can tell you that it's not the same as it was before. 391 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,770 Plus, I catch it quicker. 392 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,960 I'll give you a quick story in a second. 393 00:20:10,985 --> 00:20:18,615 But the idea is that you can fix it in a pickleball court, it 394 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,280 reverberates beyond the pickleball court. 395 00:20:20,305 --> 00:20:22,600 So that's the beautiful thing about this microcosm. 396 00:20:22,625 --> 00:20:25,520 But the story I share with you is I was playing with this two weeks 397 00:20:25,545 --> 00:20:25,760 ago, something like that. 398 00:20:25,785 --> 00:20:31,010 I'm playing with a group of friends of mine, and we're really nice games. 399 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,290 And there's one of the players in the same name as me, the guy named Tony, Tony P. 400 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,010 And so we have a good relationship where we can 401 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,480 trash talk and mess around with each other in a constructive way, in a friendly way. 402 00:20:43,505 --> 00:20:44,720 Enjoy that, to be honest. 403 00:20:44,745 --> 00:20:48,400 Yeah, if you're doing it, if it's coming in from a good place, everybody's fine. 404 00:20:48,425 --> 00:20:50,800 And so Tony has a habit of hitting out balls. 405 00:20:50,825 --> 00:20:52,810 He knows he has a ton of outfalls. 406 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,920 And so we're in one of these MLP style, back and forth, crazy. 407 00:20:56,945 --> 00:21:00,400 We'd come back from a deficit, and we're in that freeze, doing the thing, 408 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,440 and freeze back and forth. 409 00:21:02,465 --> 00:21:07,920 And so we're ahead, and we get basically his match point. 410 00:21:07,945 --> 00:21:10,810 And it goes to him, and I'm like, No. 411 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,770 And he hits it for the fifth time in the game. 412 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,240 And so in the middle of the rally, I'm like, No, he needs to be like, Jesus. 413 00:21:17,265 --> 00:21:18,900 And we keep playing. 414 00:21:18,925 --> 00:21:20,720 So at the end, I was laughing. 415 00:21:20,745 --> 00:21:22,320 I was like, I think that Jesus... 416 00:21:22,345 --> 00:21:25,560 That one was called for, I think, Tony, right there, that Jesus. 417 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:29,530 Anyway, but that's an example of behavior that under normal conditions 418 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,200 wouldn't be It's inappropriate for me to yell at him, but in that case... 419 00:21:34,225 --> 00:21:36,360 And then the wait was done. 420 00:21:36,385 --> 00:21:39,880 Anyway, so Sarah, let me ask you one last thing. 421 00:21:39,905 --> 00:21:44,080 I know we're going to be wrapping up the 422 00:21:44,105 --> 00:21:47,680 conversation soon, But I wanted to ask you for one more day. 423 00:21:47,705 --> 00:21:51,050 I really like the idea that you shared with folks about 424 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,640 the animal letting yourself permission to be free, perhaps, as the 425 00:21:55,665 --> 00:21:57,020 way I think about it. 426 00:21:57,045 --> 00:22:00,680 Go out in the court and give yourself some freedom and just Have fun 427 00:22:00,705 --> 00:22:02,330 and just enjoy the moment. 428 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,800 I like the animal thing. I'm going to start using that. 429 00:22:04,825 --> 00:22:08,320 But with our students and stuff like that, especially when they're working on their 430 00:22:08,345 --> 00:22:11,260 game, like drills and stuff, is we tell them to spend some time, 431 00:22:11,285 --> 00:22:13,290 pretend like you're five again. 432 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,880 I handed you a ball and a paddle and just said, You know what? 433 00:22:16,905 --> 00:22:19,220 Just have fun. Just learn how to hit the ball. 434 00:22:19,245 --> 00:22:21,920 As opposed to going back to like, Okay, I must hold up. 435 00:22:21,945 --> 00:22:25,135 It's such an adult way of approaching it as opposed to more of a 436 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,540 childlike way of approaching it. 437 00:22:26,565 --> 00:22:32,255 But what I wanted to ask you for is if you have maybe one one nugget you could share, 438 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,480 and you can go anywhere you want with this, but one nugget you want to share or 439 00:22:35,505 --> 00:22:38,660 you'd like to share with folks out there who maybe... 440 00:22:38,685 --> 00:22:48,680 Let's lean into this area, the area of I'm not having fun anymore, or I'm 441 00:22:48,705 --> 00:22:54,400 frustrated, or I'm disappointed, because I will tell you this, for me, the number one 442 00:22:54,425 --> 00:23:00,440 thing that I strive to avoid, if I can, for a player is for them to leave the 443 00:23:00,465 --> 00:23:03,975 sport unless they're leaving it for a good reason. 444 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,240 If you're leaving it for a good... 445 00:23:05,265 --> 00:23:08,810 And the only good reason I can think of is you don't like it. 446 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Don't like it objectively, not don't like it because of how you feel 447 00:23:11,745 --> 00:23:12,840 because they're mixing things. 448 00:23:12,865 --> 00:23:16,255 So if you objectively don't like pickleball, hey, listen, 449 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,480 there's other things you can do. Have a good time. 450 00:23:17,505 --> 00:23:20,260 I don't know anybody who fits that. 451 00:23:20,285 --> 00:23:25,500 And that's always my, I don't want to say my fear, but that's my worry, is that 452 00:23:25,525 --> 00:23:28,775 players may feel a little bit frustrated or maybe it's whatever, and 453 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,080 they end up leaving the sport. 454 00:23:30,105 --> 00:23:32,215 That's terrible for them. 455 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,400 So anyway, so maybe if you want to talk about that for a little bit, and maybe you 456 00:23:35,425 --> 00:23:40,260 have something you can share, personal or not, your choice, but in that area. 457 00:23:40,285 --> 00:23:42,500 I love this topic so much. 458 00:23:42,525 --> 00:23:44,640 And I've coached a lot of my clients. 459 00:23:44,665 --> 00:23:49,330 I actually do remote coaching with pickleball players, and most of them, 460 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:54,015 their biggest issue is getting stuck in their head or getting frustrated, and it 461 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,920 takes them away from winning. 462 00:23:54,945 --> 00:23:58,440 And you said something actually the other day that I really love, and I talk about 463 00:23:58,465 --> 00:24:02,840 it now with my clients, is If you're playing people your exact skill 464 00:24:02,865 --> 00:24:06,560 level, how many games should you win? 465 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,980 You know, answer being 50 %. 466 00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:12,440 And I talk a lot with my clients and anyone, friends of mine. 467 00:24:12,465 --> 00:24:16,140 It's like, if you want to get better, you have to not only be 468 00:24:16,165 --> 00:24:18,775 okay, but embrace losing. 469 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520 You have to embrace it because those are where your greatest lessons come from. 470 00:24:21,545 --> 00:24:26,015 If someone's beating you because they have skills that you haven't developed, those 471 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,120 are the people you need to learn from. 472 00:24:27,145 --> 00:24:31,200 So if they're kicking your butt using those skills, pay attention and 473 00:24:31,225 --> 00:24:33,500 be okay with that, embrace that. 474 00:24:33,525 --> 00:24:38,560 So I find that we get really caught up in our thought, which takes us out of being 475 00:24:38,585 --> 00:24:41,090 present and being animalistic and instinctive. 476 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,720 If we drill, a lot of people who are touching 4. 477 00:24:44,745 --> 00:24:45,720 5 and going up. 478 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:50,200 So when I'm talking with competitive players and even rec players who just want 479 00:24:50,225 --> 00:24:54,935 to be able to beat their friends, which feels good, it's that we get caught up. 480 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,520 Fifty % of the time, Sarah. I'm just kidding. 481 00:24:56,545 --> 00:24:57,740 Right. Only 50 %. 482 00:24:57,765 --> 00:25:03,495 Maybe 52 52%, and then you're in good shape. 483 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,440 You're doing 52%, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I couldn't resist. 484 00:25:06,465 --> 00:25:10,040 I couldn't resist when you said, Beat your friends. 485 00:25:10,065 --> 00:25:14,935 I'm like, 52% a time. Yes, only 50%, but we want to get better. 486 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Sometimes we hire coaches, sometimes we watch the pros, sometimes we do the 487 00:25:18,345 --> 00:25:22,290 things, we think, Okay, well, now I've got to make sure that my paddle face 488 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,570 is facing this way and not the net. 489 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,880 I don't want to hit the net, and I don't want to overshoot balls. 490 00:25:26,905 --> 00:25:29,090 I don't want to overswing. We think about all these things. 491 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,260 We get caught up in thought. 492 00:25:31,285 --> 00:25:34,655 And that takes away from our instincts, which we drill. 493 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,720 When we drill, this is the funny thing, when I talk to people who drill, it's 494 00:25:37,745 --> 00:25:39,535 like, well, when I drill, I do great. 495 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,290 But then in the game, I get messed up. 496 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,940 I'm like, that's where I've talked about many times, when you When you play, 497 00:25:45,965 --> 00:25:48,900 it's 80 % up here. It's 20 % mechanical. 498 00:25:48,925 --> 00:25:51,090 Eighty % controls the 20 %. 499 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,360 It's how you think, how you feel. 500 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:54,695 It's your comfort level, your emotional regulation. 501 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,560 So when you're out there, the more you're thinking, typically the 502 00:25:57,585 --> 00:25:59,460 worse you're playing. 503 00:25:59,485 --> 00:26:02,455 So I've done research on what they call the zone. 504 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,680 And if you've ever been in the zone, it's thoughtless, it's emotionless. 505 00:26:05,705 --> 00:26:07,960 You just perform and everything flows and clicks. 506 00:26:07,985 --> 00:26:09,180 It's amazing. 507 00:26:09,205 --> 00:26:13,520 When you talk to people who played with Kobe Bryant, when Kobe Bryant got on the 508 00:26:13,545 --> 00:26:17,420 court, he would score 40 to 80 points in a match. 509 00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:21,320 And I remember watching this interview with one of Kobe Bryant's teammates, 510 00:26:21,345 --> 00:26:23,280 and they said, How does he do it? 511 00:26:23,305 --> 00:26:27,620 What do you see in Kobe that makes him have this ability to do that? 512 00:26:27,645 --> 00:26:30,360 And they say, Well, first of all, he doesn't He doesn't get 513 00:26:30,385 --> 00:26:32,495 emotional, including celebrating. 514 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,880 He doesn't celebrate each shot, and he doesn't get frustrated 515 00:26:34,905 --> 00:26:36,220 if he misses a shot. 516 00:26:36,245 --> 00:26:38,330 He goes out there and he's present. 517 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,980 He's present and hyper-focused. 518 00:26:41,005 --> 00:26:44,480 He's not thinking about what's going on in the background of his life. 519 00:26:44,505 --> 00:26:47,810 He's not thinking about all the fans who are cheering for him. 520 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,900 He's not thinking about the fact that he missed a shot or made a shot. 521 00:26:50,925 --> 00:26:52,720 None of that matters because he's in the moment. 522 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:56,520 If he's thinking about the shot he just missed, that'll mess him up. 523 00:26:56,545 --> 00:26:59,740 If he's thinking about the shot he just got, that'll mess him up, too. 524 00:26:59,765 --> 00:27:00,810 So both ways. 525 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,455 He stays so present and so focused that he can't be taken off his train 526 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,440 of thought, which is just hyper-focusing on the ball, putting it in 527 00:27:09,465 --> 00:27:11,460 the net, doing it again. 528 00:27:11,485 --> 00:27:13,615 So he ends up staying in the zone. 529 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,280 He gets in the zone and he maintains the zone. 530 00:27:15,305 --> 00:27:20,600 So in all my research on this, my understanding of it, it's about 531 00:27:20,625 --> 00:27:22,775 being present and hyper-focused. 532 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Those two things, when you add that, when you're present and hyper-focused, you can 533 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:27,810 get in the zone, you can maintain the zone. 534 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,020 What takes you out of the zone? 535 00:27:30,045 --> 00:27:32,215 Thinking, thinking and emotions. 536 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,810 If you think about the mistake you made, and you might think, well, it's innocent 537 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,780 because I'm just thinking about the adjustments I need to make. 538 00:27:39,805 --> 00:27:42,455 Trust me, the animal and you knows the adjustments. 539 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,200 You don't have to remind yourself. 540 00:27:43,225 --> 00:27:46,800 You don't have to say, stupid, Sarah, you know you have to follow through on that. 541 00:27:46,825 --> 00:27:48,570 Move to the ball. Dang it. 542 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,810 You don't have to remind yourself, especially in an aggressive way. 543 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,380 Your instincts know. 544 00:27:54,405 --> 00:27:55,570 So stay focused. 545 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,400 So the technique that I give to people is to get grounded and present and out of 546 00:28:01,425 --> 00:28:03,570 your head where you're off in the mist. 547 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,680 Just think of it this way. 548 00:28:04,705 --> 00:28:07,810 When you're thinking about things, you're not here, you're in the mist. 549 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,020 I don't know where that is, but you're not here. 550 00:28:11,045 --> 00:28:15,320 To get here again, you've got to, first of all, realize that You're 551 00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:16,860 somewhere you're happy. 552 00:28:16,885 --> 00:28:17,935 You got to look around. 553 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,570 I tell people, find your gratitude for the things that are right in front of you. 554 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,120 Look around. 555 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,660 It's a beautiful day out. I'm so grateful I'm outside. 556 00:28:25,685 --> 00:28:27,775 I'm so grateful I'm around people I enjoy. 557 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,080 I'm so grateful I have this opportunity to compete at something that I never would 558 00:28:31,105 --> 00:28:35,020 have thought I would ever be doing at my age or in this position in my life. 559 00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:38,935 And just look around and be grateful for what's in front of you. 560 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,860 And you'll realize you're already winning because otherwise, where would you be? 561 00:28:41,885 --> 00:28:45,460 Watching Netflix or on your bud or whatever. 562 00:28:45,485 --> 00:28:49,040 Be grateful for where you're at and hyper focus on the ball. 563 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,040 That just grounds you, brings you back because it's very easy to get stuck on the 564 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:58,440 bad out calls or a partner who's not playing well or whatever it is. 565 00:28:58,465 --> 00:29:02,780 There's tons of things that can you and take you out of the zone in pickleball. 566 00:29:02,805 --> 00:29:05,180 You got to come back, come back to Earth. 567 00:29:05,205 --> 00:29:08,810 Be grateful you're here because it gives you that sense of, okay, I'm winning. 568 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,800 I'm already winning, whether I win or lose, I'm winning because this is amazing. 569 00:29:11,825 --> 00:29:14,320 So it takes that pressure off, takes the stress off. 570 00:29:14,345 --> 00:29:18,620 Find that gratitude, and look at that ball and make best friends with that ball. 571 00:29:18,645 --> 00:29:20,380 Hyper focus on it. 572 00:29:20,405 --> 00:29:21,695 That's where we're here. 573 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,920 That's where we're at right now. 574 00:29:22,945 --> 00:29:24,500 We're hitting the ball over the net. 575 00:29:24,525 --> 00:29:25,975 Hit that ball over the net. 576 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,280 Let your instincts do the rest. 577 00:29:27,305 --> 00:29:30,090 Don't overthink it and just have fun. Show up. 578 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400 When you're loose, when you're relaxed, when you're happy, you're going to 579 00:29:33,425 --> 00:29:34,540 play better than when you're tense. 580 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:38,700 That's what causes the pop-ups, guys, when you're tense and stressed and pressured. 581 00:29:38,725 --> 00:29:39,980 So have fun. 582 00:29:40,005 --> 00:29:45,040 Enjoy what you're doing and you'll play better and you'll win more games. 583 00:29:45,065 --> 00:29:48,495 Lose, which is funny because you think you got to put this pressure to win. 584 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,760 And it's really it's the opposite. 585 00:29:49,785 --> 00:29:52,220 It's the pressure that will make you lose. 586 00:29:52,245 --> 00:29:54,055 It's counterintuitive for sure. 587 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,940 That's a great way of framing it, Sarah. Thanks for sharing that. 588 00:29:56,965 --> 00:30:00,800 Sarah, I know that some folks who may be either watching this on YouTube or 589 00:30:00,825 --> 00:30:04,975 listening to the podcast may want to follow what you're up to, connect 590 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,880 with you and things like that. 591 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:09,200 What's the best way for someone out there to stay in touch with Sarah 592 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,260 and see what's happening? 593 00:30:11,285 --> 00:30:12,240 Yeah, of course. 594 00:30:12,265 --> 00:30:15,680 So Facebook is my social media platform of choice. 595 00:30:15,705 --> 00:30:19,290 I also have Instagram, but you can find me, Sarah Weiss on Facebook. 596 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,840 I've got a YouTube channel. 597 00:30:20,865 --> 00:30:23,815 So my brand is Heck Yeah, Pickleball. 598 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,280 You can go to heckyeappickleball. 599 00:30:25,305 --> 00:30:26,520 Com and see my website. 600 00:30:26,545 --> 00:30:29,175 You can book courses or lessons there. 601 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,570 I've got the YouTube YouTube channel, Heck Yeah, Pickleball. 602 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:38,160 So my favorite shot in the game, and Tony will laugh, is the Ernie, because 603 00:30:38,185 --> 00:30:40,495 he says it's not a needed shot. 604 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,640 I agree that you don't need that. 605 00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:42,960 It could be still your favorite shot. 606 00:30:42,985 --> 00:30:44,420 It could still be your favorite shot. 607 00:30:44,445 --> 00:30:46,200 Particularly Luckily, it's not necessary. 608 00:30:46,225 --> 00:30:47,320 It can be your favorite shot. 609 00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:49,200 I know some things aren't mutual. 610 00:30:49,225 --> 00:30:52,080 You don't need it to go and kick button, Pick a Ball. 611 00:30:52,105 --> 00:30:56,055 But ever since I saw it happen to me, I was like, Oh, I'm going 612 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,720 to figure out how to do that. I love it. 613 00:30:57,745 --> 00:31:01,330 It's something that I'm really good at because I've put a lot of time into it. 614 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,020 If you go to my YouTube channel, I have a tutorial on how to hit it. 615 00:31:06,045 --> 00:31:08,180 So, Tony, you don't need to send anybody there. 616 00:31:08,205 --> 00:31:11,600 But if you want to, heck yeah, pickleball, I'll show you 617 00:31:11,625 --> 00:31:13,220 how to earn it even as a beginner. 618 00:31:13,245 --> 00:31:15,900 I just have fun, guys. 619 00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:17,700 This game, life is so short. 620 00:31:17,725 --> 00:31:19,540 This game is so fun. 621 00:31:19,565 --> 00:31:20,895 You and I are going to do... 622 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,280 We'll do a video on your YouTube channel on both the YouTube channels where we can 623 00:31:24,305 --> 00:31:28,055 go back and forth and discuss the already and the pros and cons of the earning. 624 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,640 You can give the pros, I'll give the cons, and then we'll let players do whatever 625 00:31:31,665 --> 00:31:33,740 they want to do with that information. I like it. 626 00:31:33,765 --> 00:31:36,720 It was a pleasure having you on the podcast. 627 00:31:36,745 --> 00:31:39,920 Really appreciate what you're doing to help promote the sport 628 00:31:39,945 --> 00:31:41,260 of pickleball, obviously. 629 00:31:41,285 --> 00:31:44,080 And obviously, good luck with all the ventures you're on. 630 00:31:44,105 --> 00:31:49,160 And I appreciate you sharing your wisdom and your experiences with the folks 631 00:31:49,185 --> 00:31:51,320 at the pickleball Therapy podcast. 632 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,255 Oh, Tony, it's been such a pleasure. 633 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,570 Everything you do is amazing. 634 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,800 So if you guys are following Tony, look at what they offer. 635 00:31:57,825 --> 00:32:00,720 They got ways to make you a better player 100%. 636 00:32:00,745 --> 00:32:03,615 So thank you so much, Tony. Really appreciate you. 637 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Thanks.