WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:10.490 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.490 --> 00:00:11.660 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.140 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:17.180 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits 00:00:17.450 --> 00:00:18.869 with the people in businesses of the 00:00:18.950 --> 00:00:20.060 comprise the community. 00:00:20.870 --> 00:00:22.760 If you're a new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.960 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.060 you can learn more about courses, services, 00:00:29.060 --> 00:00:30.320 and products we offer. 00:00:30.710 --> 00:00:32.689 As well as how you can join The Silvercore Club, 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.120 which includes 10 million in North American wide 00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:37.760 liability insurance, to ensure you are properly 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:39.690 covered during your outdoor adventures. 00:00:43.430 --> 00:00:45.530 Silvercore Podcast listener Brock Fisher 00:00:45.530 --> 00:00:48.890 writes in and asks, "Any thoughts on the podcast, 00:00:49.010 --> 00:00:51.170 outlining the local fishing scene, river 00:00:51.170 --> 00:00:53.150 crabbing, Lake fishing, that kind of thing? 00:00:53.675 --> 00:00:55.145 There's such a large amount of people who 00:00:55.145 --> 00:00:56.405 are interested in fishing, who live in 00:00:56.405 --> 00:00:58.715 the South coast, razor Valley, and just don't 00:00:58.715 --> 00:00:59.375 know where to start." 00:01:00.035 --> 00:01:01.595 so that's what I want to delve into today. 00:01:02.075 --> 00:01:04.525 Tonight, I'm joined by Catherine Laflamme who's 00:01:04.615 --> 00:01:07.355 dabbled in guiding, works in Michael & Young 00:01:07.355 --> 00:01:08.585 flyshop in Vancouver. 00:01:08.755 --> 00:01:10.045 And we met through a mutual friend, 00:01:10.045 --> 00:01:11.725 April Vokey of Anchored Outdoors. 00:01:12.025 --> 00:01:12.764 Welcome Cat. 00:01:13.405 --> 00:01:13.645 Hi. 00:01:14.245 --> 00:01:16.435 Gillian Steele, who guides part-time, works 00:01:16.435 --> 00:01:19.619 at Highwater Tackle in North Vancouver and 00:01:19.619 --> 00:01:22.050 along with Cat, is a founder of the BC Women's 00:01:22.050 --> 00:01:22.949 Fly Fishing group. 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:24.750 Gillian, I met you through my wife, Tiffany 00:01:24.750 --> 00:01:26.580 Bader, who can't stop raving about the good 00:01:26.580 --> 00:01:28.589 work both you and Cat are doing with the group. 00:01:28.919 --> 00:01:29.639 Welcome Gill. 00:01:29.940 --> 00:01:30.389 Thank you. 00:01:31.109 --> 00:01:33.179 Finally, to provide the new angler's perspective. 00:01:33.210 --> 00:01:34.949 I have pro chef and resident Silvercore 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.619 staffer, my wife, Tiffany Bader. 00:01:37.889 --> 00:01:38.580 Welcome Tiff. 00:01:38.860 --> 00:01:39.150 Hey. 00:01:39.500 --> 00:01:43.710 So Cat and Gill, when we were talking before 00:01:44.009 --> 00:01:45.990 looking at different ideas of what we can 00:01:46.425 --> 00:01:47.645 bring to the listeners. 00:01:47.965 --> 00:01:49.395 There's a number of ideas that were floating 00:01:49.395 --> 00:01:52.005 around and I think the top three that came out 00:01:52.005 --> 00:01:53.355 was a fishing calendar. 00:01:53.955 --> 00:01:57.975 Basically talking about what to fish, where 00:01:57.975 --> 00:02:01.095 to fish, when to fish, advice for new anglers 00:02:01.604 --> 00:02:03.914 and of course talk about the BC Women's 00:02:03.914 --> 00:02:04.755 Fly Fishing group. 00:02:05.445 --> 00:02:07.785 But before we get too deep into that, I kind 00:02:07.785 --> 00:02:10.225 of want to learn a little bit more about you two. 00:02:11.355 --> 00:02:11.685 Okay. 00:02:11.685 --> 00:02:16.235 So I grew up in a family, my parents both really 00:02:16.235 --> 00:02:17.375 love going camping. 00:02:17.375 --> 00:02:19.055 So every weekend growing up, we would 00:02:19.055 --> 00:02:20.815 go camping and fishing. 00:02:20.845 --> 00:02:23.785 My dad's a fly fisher, he loves fishing lakes. 00:02:23.785 --> 00:02:26.424 So anyway, we were brought up fishing. 00:02:26.734 --> 00:02:30.005 My siblings hated it, I loved it, at 12 years 00:02:30.005 --> 00:02:33.125 old I begged him to teach me how to fly fish 00:02:33.155 --> 00:02:34.454 because I hated worms. 00:02:34.855 --> 00:02:34.984 Right. 00:02:34.984 --> 00:02:36.065 Absolutely hated worms. 00:02:37.580 --> 00:02:39.440 And there was something very poetic about 00:02:39.740 --> 00:02:42.080 watching my dad fly cast. 00:02:42.350 --> 00:02:44.890 And one thing that really got me was 00:02:44.890 --> 00:02:50.000 that he would cast to these rising trout and 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.500 basically count down. 00:02:51.920 --> 00:02:54.800 So he'd cast out to a dimple in the water 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.780 where a fish just rose and he counted down 00:02:56.780 --> 00:02:57.470 and be like, ready? 00:02:57.950 --> 00:03:01.275 Three, two, one and then. 00:03:01.305 --> 00:03:01.645 No. 00:03:01.675 --> 00:03:02.185 Somehow. 00:03:02.205 --> 00:03:02.275 No. 00:03:02.275 --> 00:03:04.515 He just got it so many times and I was 00:03:04.515 --> 00:03:05.655 like, want to do that. 00:03:05.655 --> 00:03:07.785 That sound's amazing, looks amazing. 00:03:07.825 --> 00:03:09.144 That's magical. 00:03:09.144 --> 00:03:09.655 It's magical. 00:03:10.085 --> 00:03:13.095 So anyway, begged and begged and begged him 00:03:13.095 --> 00:03:15.555 and he finally, we went to Walmart, he 00:03:15.555 --> 00:03:19.450 bought me at $50 fly set up and that was it. 00:03:19.540 --> 00:03:22.180 You know, there was a lot of skipping school 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:23.980 in grade 12 and just drive straight to 00:03:23.980 --> 00:03:25.210 the Vedder and fish. 00:03:25.540 --> 00:03:29.680 And then I met April Vokey out of, I went to 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.490 Capilano University for a couple of years and 00:03:32.490 --> 00:03:36.130 did a outdoor recreation management program. 00:03:36.430 --> 00:03:38.530 And out of that, I ended up getting 00:03:38.530 --> 00:03:39.520 a job with April. 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.680 So I worked for her for Flygal Ventures 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.720 for a couple of years, actually three years. 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:44.470 Very cool. 00:03:44.530 --> 00:03:44.890 Yeah. 00:03:44.930 --> 00:03:46.510 Well, April, she wasn't at Cap was she? 00:03:46.875 --> 00:03:49.485 No, no, I just, I met her at the Trade 00:03:49.485 --> 00:03:50.385 Ex when I was 16 00:03:50.385 --> 00:03:50.605 . Ahh okay. 00:03:50.605 --> 00:03:51.704 And we kept in touch. 00:03:52.075 --> 00:03:54.825 And then with that program I had to do a 00:03:55.545 --> 00:03:56.744 practicum in the summer. 00:03:57.105 --> 00:03:59.234 So I asked her, I'm like hey, need any help? 00:03:59.265 --> 00:04:00.075 She's like, yes. 00:04:00.135 --> 00:04:01.695 And then she hired me right on the spot in 00:04:01.695 --> 00:04:03.435 February before summer. 00:04:03.704 --> 00:04:05.924 So, and then I just stuck around, helped 00:04:05.924 --> 00:04:08.914 her with some office stuff, fly tying, 00:04:09.255 --> 00:04:11.204 all kinds of stuff, shipping out packages, 00:04:11.234 --> 00:04:11.954 blah, blah, blah. 00:04:12.135 --> 00:04:14.114 So did that for a few years. 00:04:14.265 --> 00:04:16.640 Well, sorry, hold on, backtrack. 00:04:16.850 --> 00:04:17.810 Out of high school. 00:04:17.810 --> 00:04:19.560 I got a job at the Fly Shop in Surrey, 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:20.500 Michael & Young Fly Shop. 00:04:20.500 --> 00:04:20.849 Okay. 00:04:21.140 --> 00:04:24.170 So I was there part-time on top of working 00:04:24.170 --> 00:04:27.310 for April, did whole bunch of fish bumming. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:28.760 Fish bumming. 00:04:28.760 --> 00:04:29.550 For a few years. 00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:30.590 Fish bumming. 00:04:30.590 --> 00:04:31.090 I like that term. 00:04:31.090 --> 00:04:31.230 Yeah. 00:04:31.450 --> 00:04:34.500 It's kind of like bandit camping and out 00:04:34.500 --> 00:04:35.159 on the river there. 00:04:35.190 --> 00:04:36.039 Yeah, exactly. 00:04:36.599 --> 00:04:38.070 Living in a trailer by the river. 00:04:38.370 --> 00:04:38.760 Perfect. 00:04:39.060 --> 00:04:42.180 And then came back, needed money. 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:44.420 So I got a full-time position at Michael 00:04:44.420 --> 00:04:45.810 & Young, and I've been there ever since. 00:04:46.220 --> 00:04:46.700 Wow. 00:04:47.210 --> 00:04:47.450 Yeah. 00:04:47.960 --> 00:04:49.410 I only have one question for you. 00:04:49.440 --> 00:04:49.760 Yeah. 00:04:49.960 --> 00:04:52.844 So you said your dad being French Canadian, 00:04:52.844 --> 00:04:55.094 did he count three, two, one, or did he count.. 00:04:55.844 --> 00:04:58.515 Threeee, twooo, oneee!? 00:05:00.174 --> 00:05:00.634 Fish on! 00:05:01.644 --> 00:05:04.444 Only cause I jnow your dad and I love him. 00:05:04.474 --> 00:05:08.005 I was like, he does not just say three, two, one. 00:05:08.395 --> 00:05:11.685 Cat, eh Cat, ready? 00:05:11.685 --> 00:05:12.065 Threeee, twooo, oneee. 00:05:12.085 --> 00:05:12.645 Sorry, dad. 00:05:13.375 --> 00:05:14.135 Love it. 00:05:14.135 --> 00:05:15.330 Love him. 00:05:15.330 --> 00:05:15.930 But yeah. 00:05:15.960 --> 00:05:17.690 I knew that I was like, yeah he did not. 00:05:18.070 --> 00:05:19.700 Three, two, one, absolutely that's 00:05:19.700 --> 00:05:21.800 not how it went. 00:05:22.080 --> 00:05:22.590 Not at all. 00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:25.369 Gill? 00:05:26.640 --> 00:05:30.570 My intro, my dad has owned Highwater Tackle 00:05:30.570 --> 00:05:34.989 in North Vancouver for, I guess now we are 20, 36 00:05:35.010 --> 00:05:36.169 years coming up in April. 00:05:36.259 --> 00:05:36.359 Wow. 00:05:36.359 --> 00:05:38.870 So quite a long time and he's owned that 00:05:38.870 --> 00:05:43.065 shop for pretty much its entirety with the 00:05:43.065 --> 00:05:43.935 exception of six months. 00:05:43.935 --> 00:05:46.545 He bought it off another guy there, quickly 00:05:46.545 --> 00:05:48.435 thereafter who was not very well received in 00:05:48.435 --> 00:05:49.695 the retail business. 00:05:50.075 --> 00:05:51.275 One of those types, I hear ya. 00:05:51.344 --> 00:05:54.405 Yeah, so he purchases off, then he essentially 00:05:54.405 --> 00:05:56.205 came home to my mom and said, Hey, I bought a 00:05:56.625 --> 00:05:58.724 tackle shop and my mom wasn't exactly that 00:05:58.724 --> 00:05:59.675 excited about it, but. 00:05:59.675 --> 00:05:59.895 No. 00:05:59.955 --> 00:06:00.545 She didn't know? 00:06:01.715 --> 00:06:03.115 She knew what she was getting into 00:06:03.115 --> 00:06:03.565 a little bit. 00:06:03.565 --> 00:06:06.995 They met at a guiding lodge up at Stuart 00:06:07.015 --> 00:06:09.975 Island back in the day, Sonora Island Resort. 00:06:09.975 --> 00:06:12.655 So she knew what she was getting 00:06:12.655 --> 00:06:13.675 into at that point. 00:06:13.675 --> 00:06:15.065 Got it, fair enough. 00:06:15.205 --> 00:06:16.855 Anyways, so it's a bit of a romantic 00:06:16.855 --> 00:06:17.785 love story with them. 00:06:17.785 --> 00:06:20.575 And then I came around and I was just kind 00:06:20.575 --> 00:06:21.625 of pushed into it. 00:06:21.625 --> 00:06:23.065 Not pushed into it, I shouldn't say that. 00:06:23.275 --> 00:06:25.465 I was just kind of indulged in it 00:06:25.525 --> 00:06:26.305 my entire life. 00:06:26.305 --> 00:06:28.215 So it came very naturally for me. 00:06:28.215 --> 00:06:31.010 And a little bit of a contrast, I have 00:06:31.010 --> 00:06:33.409 a sister who never really got into it. 00:06:33.640 --> 00:06:35.680 I was camping and everything. 00:06:35.710 --> 00:06:36.940 Whenever we went out in the outdoors, it 00:06:36.940 --> 00:06:38.570 always revolved around fishing in some way. 00:06:38.570 --> 00:06:41.380 So my dad wasn't going to camp somewhere that 00:06:41.380 --> 00:06:43.599 didn't have a water body attached to it that just 00:06:43.599 --> 00:06:44.450 wasn't going to happen. 00:06:44.510 --> 00:06:45.219 I can get behind that. 00:06:45.219 --> 00:06:47.190 So yeah, so fishing was always a part of 00:06:47.190 --> 00:06:49.390 it and it just kind of grew naturally. 00:06:49.390 --> 00:06:51.670 And then when I was about 15, I started working at 00:06:51.670 --> 00:06:54.409 the shop and then going to university, it became 00:06:54.409 --> 00:06:58.000 a very convenient working space for me as well. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.450 And then ever since then I've just kind 00:06:59.450 --> 00:07:01.850 of grown and adapted through there. 00:07:01.850 --> 00:07:04.010 And I've got myself involved in a couple 00:07:04.010 --> 00:07:05.120 of things since then. 00:07:05.930 --> 00:07:10.550 Various non-governmental organizations, 00:07:10.550 --> 00:07:12.330 NGOs, and some other things as well. 00:07:12.330 --> 00:07:12.540 Okay. 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:14.550 And then dabbled a little bit in that 00:07:14.790 --> 00:07:16.320 guiding side of it too. 00:07:16.520 --> 00:07:19.310 Like consulting for the NGOs or volunteering? 00:07:19.830 --> 00:07:20.070 Yeah. 00:07:20.070 --> 00:07:22.920 I work for the Steelhead Society as a director, 00:07:22.950 --> 00:07:24.570 not work, I volunteer for the Steelhead 00:07:24.570 --> 00:07:25.440 Society as director. 00:07:25.440 --> 00:07:27.210 So that's been a big passion of mine for. 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.960 It can be viewed as work, but yes, yes. 00:07:29.960 --> 00:07:32.000 It can definitely be work sometimes for sure but. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.540 It's a labour of love. 00:07:33.760 --> 00:07:34.840 Yeah, it is. 00:07:34.840 --> 00:07:38.030 So just kind of got involved and then just 00:07:38.030 --> 00:07:42.680 fish when I can and meet lots of great people and 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.570 the industry certainly helps that a lot so. 00:07:44.909 --> 00:07:46.890 Well, one of the things that Tiffany, you're 00:07:46.890 --> 00:07:49.710 going on about, was the calendar, the 00:07:49.710 --> 00:07:50.610 fishing calendar. 00:07:51.030 --> 00:07:53.789 And I really wanted to sit in on that 00:07:53.880 --> 00:07:57.270 episode, but you know, it is the BC Women's 00:07:57.270 --> 00:07:58.270 Fly Fishing group. 00:07:59.110 --> 00:08:02.460 So I guess I get to hack it a little bit by having 00:08:02.460 --> 00:08:05.760 you guys here on the podcast and learn about 00:08:05.969 --> 00:08:07.050 this fishing calendar. 00:08:07.320 --> 00:08:08.610 Can you tell me more about that. 00:08:09.380 --> 00:08:10.729 The calendar, or do you want to know 00:08:10.729 --> 00:08:12.349 more about the group from the get-go? 00:08:12.914 --> 00:08:13.635 Well, I don't know. 00:08:13.795 --> 00:08:15.525 What do you want to talk about first? 00:08:17.434 --> 00:08:18.455 We can talk about the calendar. 00:08:18.455 --> 00:08:19.455 I think that's. 00:08:19.474 --> 00:08:23.284 The calendar was sort of something Gill sort 00:08:23.284 --> 00:08:25.680 of did amidst COVID. 00:08:25.919 --> 00:08:29.190 We tried to do a bunch of like zoom meetings to 00:08:29.190 --> 00:08:30.840 keep the group active. 00:08:30.840 --> 00:08:31.250 Right. 00:08:31.250 --> 00:08:33.809 While not being able to interact 00:08:33.809 --> 00:08:34.799 in person so much. 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.350 So Gill's has been really great about 00:08:37.350 --> 00:08:39.059 doing all these zoom meetings and zoom 00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:40.679 courses for the group. 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:43.289 And one of the things she did over the holidays was 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:47.670 kind of explain all of the fishing opportunities 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:50.970 in the lower mainland throughout the year. 00:08:51.070 --> 00:08:52.240 Well you guys must get that question 00:08:52.260 --> 00:08:52.860 all the time. 00:08:53.140 --> 00:08:55.900 Yeah, I think one of the things that is, I 00:08:55.900 --> 00:08:57.969 mean, maybe an advantage for us and maybe an 00:08:57.969 --> 00:09:01.310 advantage for our group overall is that, both 00:09:01.310 --> 00:09:02.949 of us working in shops and having worked in 00:09:02.949 --> 00:09:06.900 shops for a long time, relative to other people. 00:09:08.550 --> 00:09:08.990 Yes. 00:09:09.490 --> 00:09:12.120 You start to learn the questions I get asked 00:09:12.300 --> 00:09:14.700 and you start to learn what the perspective 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:16.620 is of a new angler walking into the store. 00:09:17.190 --> 00:09:19.590 So one of the questions that you get all the 00:09:19.590 --> 00:09:21.060 time, especially this time of year, cause 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:22.590 it's January and if you're not like 00:09:22.590 --> 00:09:24.060 hardcore steelheading. 00:09:24.140 --> 00:09:24.460 Right. 00:09:24.820 --> 00:09:25.840 What do you do? 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:28.569 You know, or if there's, in the lower 00:09:28.589 --> 00:09:30.270 mainland, we don't have ice, so you're not 00:09:30.270 --> 00:09:31.340 necessarily ice fishing. 00:09:31.340 --> 00:09:32.630 We're lucky not to have ice. 00:09:32.630 --> 00:09:34.450 Yeah, maybe we're lucky. 00:09:34.530 --> 00:09:37.250 We have lots of flowing water, not hard water. 00:09:37.340 --> 00:09:37.610 Yeah. 00:09:37.870 --> 00:09:40.099 So, we could ask them a lot about what to 00:09:40.099 --> 00:09:41.810 do and what are some other alternatives. 00:09:41.810 --> 00:09:43.040 So I thought that was maybe a good thing. 00:09:43.040 --> 00:09:45.465 And then the other thing is, you don't want to 00:09:45.465 --> 00:09:46.845 miss out on something, so you don't want to get 00:09:46.845 --> 00:09:50.485 halfway through a season and then not be prepared. 00:09:50.515 --> 00:09:50.964 Right. 00:09:51.395 --> 00:09:56.865 So just kind of preparing a calendar of kind of, 00:09:56.865 --> 00:09:58.875 what are your target species, what you should 00:09:58.875 --> 00:10:00.645 be thinking about based on the time of year, 00:10:00.645 --> 00:10:02.385 and this is based in the lower mainland. 00:10:02.385 --> 00:10:02.665 Sure. 00:10:02.704 --> 00:10:04.785 So of course it's not going to necessarily 00:10:04.785 --> 00:10:08.485 transcend to all aspects of the province, but at 00:10:08.485 --> 00:10:13.515 least, kind of gives it a good rounded idea of what 00:10:13.515 --> 00:10:15.615 you should think about and then what you should 00:10:15.615 --> 00:10:17.235 kind of plan for as well. 00:10:17.235 --> 00:10:19.275 Cause that definitely, I would say in the shop is. 00:10:19.275 --> 00:10:20.625 Upcoming fisheries. 00:10:20.715 --> 00:10:22.695 You know, people walk in and they say like, you 00:10:22.695 --> 00:10:23.805 know, what can I do now? 00:10:24.405 --> 00:10:24.975 Yeah. 00:10:25.095 --> 00:10:26.515 Salmon, season's over. 00:10:26.845 --> 00:10:28.395 I love to fish. 00:10:28.785 --> 00:10:29.865 What do I do now? 00:10:30.405 --> 00:10:32.745 Yeah, we get that all the time in 00:10:32.745 --> 00:10:33.495 the shop, at least. 00:10:33.495 --> 00:10:35.685 So setting that kind of up and making people 00:10:35.685 --> 00:10:37.755 think also alternative fisheries, you know, 00:10:38.084 --> 00:10:40.425 although it's not like, you're not chasing 00:10:40.425 --> 00:10:42.255 coho and chinook and the rivers right now 00:10:42.555 --> 00:10:45.074 in January when we're recording this, but 00:10:45.105 --> 00:10:46.814 there's tons of other things that you can do. 00:10:46.955 --> 00:10:47.375 Sure. 00:10:47.435 --> 00:10:47.765 Yeah. 00:10:47.855 --> 00:10:48.605 Whitefish. 00:10:49.435 --> 00:10:50.375 Gill's favorite. 00:10:51.005 --> 00:10:51.405 Whitefish. 00:10:51.725 --> 00:10:52.735 The Mountain Whitefish. 00:10:52.735 --> 00:10:53.285 But it's true. 00:10:53.285 --> 00:10:54.845 There's there's lots of other, I mean, you can 00:10:54.845 --> 00:10:55.715 go steelhead fishing. 00:10:55.715 --> 00:10:57.605 You can still, there's lots of like for right 00:10:57.605 --> 00:10:59.015 now January, if we start at the beginning, 00:10:59.015 --> 00:11:00.935 there's resident trout you can go for. 00:11:01.895 --> 00:11:04.194 Bull trout, there's starting to be. 00:11:04.225 --> 00:11:04.635 WHitefish. 00:11:06.585 --> 00:11:07.065 Cutthroat. 00:11:07.095 --> 00:11:09.515 I really like whitefish. 00:11:10.335 --> 00:11:12.975 Cutthroat trout, you know, depending 00:11:12.975 --> 00:11:13.675 on where you are. 00:11:13.675 --> 00:11:16.295 So we kind of just got into that, cause that was 00:11:16.295 --> 00:11:18.485 just something that we get asked all the time 00:11:18.485 --> 00:11:23.670 and I didn't realize kind of necessarily like how 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.200 you don't think about it. 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:28.560 Like how big of a question that is until 00:11:28.710 --> 00:11:32.320 you start making a PowerPoint presentation. 00:11:32.470 --> 00:11:34.870 Well I heard it was pretty voluminous. 00:11:34.870 --> 00:11:35.780 I heard you had a lot of information in it. 00:11:35.780 --> 00:11:36.090 Oh my gosh. 00:11:36.110 --> 00:11:37.070 I wrote a lot of notes. 00:11:37.130 --> 00:11:37.520 Yeah. 00:11:37.550 --> 00:11:39.890 I signed in a little late on that one 00:11:39.890 --> 00:11:41.030 and I was like, wow. 00:11:41.585 --> 00:11:44.435 This started at seven it's now almost 11. 00:11:45.565 --> 00:11:46.495 Dimitri hates me. 00:11:48.235 --> 00:11:48.985 Yeah, that's my problem. 00:11:48.985 --> 00:11:50.855 I have to tone it back on the info. 00:11:50.905 --> 00:11:52.075 It's very detailed. 00:11:52.075 --> 00:11:52.675 I liked it. 00:11:53.065 --> 00:11:54.655 A little, maybe too detailed. 00:11:55.585 --> 00:11:57.175 But yeah, but anyways, so we kind 00:11:57.175 --> 00:11:57.745 of went through that. 00:11:57.745 --> 00:12:00.445 So I think we could, for the listeners here, 00:12:00.445 --> 00:12:01.615 we could probably go through our kind of 00:12:01.615 --> 00:12:03.695 our rundown of what. 00:12:03.695 --> 00:12:05.455 And it's a good time, it's January, so we 00:12:05.455 --> 00:12:06.835 can do our calendar year kind of thing. 00:12:06.835 --> 00:12:07.985 Maybe not as detailed as. 00:12:07.985 --> 00:12:08.665 No, we're not. 00:12:08.665 --> 00:12:09.025 Don't worry. 00:12:09.025 --> 00:12:10.985 We will not go on for three hours. 00:12:11.015 --> 00:12:12.595 Seven o'clock now, so we've got, okay. 00:12:12.665 --> 00:12:15.315 11:30 of this. 00:12:16.185 --> 00:12:18.555 But yeah, I dunno. 00:12:18.555 --> 00:12:20.055 We can just kind of jump into it. 00:12:20.235 --> 00:12:23.715 We can start basically with, with now, January. 00:12:23.775 --> 00:12:24.565 That's a good way to do it. 00:12:24.565 --> 00:12:24.845 Yeah. 00:12:25.035 --> 00:12:25.845 Beginning of the year. 00:12:26.085 --> 00:12:26.595 What do we do? 00:12:26.625 --> 00:12:27.194 What do we fish. 00:12:27.255 --> 00:12:27.735 January. 00:12:28.005 --> 00:12:28.195 There's. 00:12:28.215 --> 00:12:28.785 What do we do? 00:12:28.905 --> 00:12:31.425 Winter steelhead in certain rivers. 00:12:31.425 --> 00:12:33.585 Not all rivers in the lower mainland will 00:12:33.585 --> 00:12:36.135 have winter steelhead, but you know, the main 00:12:36.135 --> 00:12:38.505 ones that have the earlier run of steelhead 00:12:38.505 --> 00:12:39.314 would be the Vedder. 00:12:39.615 --> 00:12:40.155 And it's. 00:12:40.575 --> 00:12:41.985 Fishing great right now. 00:12:43.035 --> 00:12:45.165 The Chehalis is another one that gets early 00:12:45.165 --> 00:12:46.145 runs of steelhead. 00:12:46.905 --> 00:12:48.420 You can start thinking about the 00:12:48.420 --> 00:12:50.070 Capilano if you're on the North shore. 00:12:50.070 --> 00:12:52.330 When you say fishing great on the Vedder. 00:12:52.710 --> 00:12:53.040 Ooh. 00:12:53.070 --> 00:12:53.430 Yeah. 00:12:53.610 --> 00:12:55.430 I mean, there's fish around. 00:12:55.550 --> 00:12:55.640 Okay. 00:12:55.640 --> 00:12:58.950 There's also a lot of anglers around. 00:12:59.250 --> 00:13:00.950 Man is there ever! 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:01.590 Yeah. 00:13:01.590 --> 00:13:01.650 Yeah. 00:13:02.090 --> 00:13:03.170 That's one of the things that's always 00:13:03.350 --> 00:13:06.240 kind of scared me away from the Vedder 00:13:06.310 --> 00:13:09.380 river rafted down that thing numerous times. 00:13:09.380 --> 00:13:09.600 Sweet. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.035 But I've never fished it because I just look 00:13:13.035 --> 00:13:14.845 in they're cheek by jowl going down there. 00:13:14.845 --> 00:13:15.905 Yeah, it's crazy. 00:13:15.905 --> 00:13:16.940 Is there many steelhead going down there? 00:13:17.390 --> 00:13:19.895 It's got the biggest number of steelhead 00:13:19.895 --> 00:13:21.035 in the lower mainland that's for sure. 00:13:21.035 --> 00:13:22.925 And that's why it's the busiest. 00:13:23.165 --> 00:13:24.814 And you're also allowed to keep a 00:13:24.814 --> 00:13:26.075 fish, a hatchery fish. 00:13:26.075 --> 00:13:29.065 So find anywhere you're allowed to 00:13:29.065 --> 00:13:32.765 retain a fish, there's usually more people. 00:13:32.944 --> 00:13:36.275 So for newbies, how do you distinguish 00:13:36.335 --> 00:13:37.955 a hatchery fish from 00:13:37.955 --> 00:13:40.035 A wild one? 00:13:40.035 --> 00:13:42.990 So hatchery fish will have a clipped adipose 00:13:42.990 --> 00:13:46.200 fin, so that little nub of flesh above 00:13:46.560 --> 00:13:47.820 in front of the tail. 00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:50.520 So it's a little fin that's essentially 00:13:50.520 --> 00:13:52.740 useless and they clip them when they're young. 00:13:52.920 --> 00:13:56.580 So you'll see, there should be a scar there 00:13:56.580 --> 00:13:59.160 where it's kind of healed over and a wild one will 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:00.660 have that adipose intact. 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:00.900 Okay. 00:14:01.695 --> 00:14:01.935 Cool. 00:14:02.355 --> 00:14:04.215 One thing I'll say about the Vedder, just cause 00:14:04.215 --> 00:14:05.595 it gets a lot of hate. 00:14:05.625 --> 00:14:05.965 Sure. 00:14:06.355 --> 00:14:07.755 And the Vedder gets a lot of hate 00:14:07.755 --> 00:14:08.454 because it's busy. 00:14:09.665 --> 00:14:10.265 Yeah. 00:14:10.954 --> 00:14:13.335 From the steelhead anglers that I know, and 00:14:13.365 --> 00:14:16.115 a lot of the steelhead anglers that are very 00:14:17.325 --> 00:14:19.555 prominent or very well-rounded steelhead 00:14:19.555 --> 00:14:23.055 angler, being a good steelheader is not 00:14:23.055 --> 00:14:24.795 necessarily about how many fish you catch, but 00:14:24.795 --> 00:14:26.035 it's being able to adapt. 00:14:26.275 --> 00:14:28.635 The Vedder is probably hands down one of the 00:14:28.635 --> 00:14:30.225 best rivers if you want to learn how to 00:14:30.225 --> 00:14:31.785 steelhead fish, and you want to learn how 00:14:31.785 --> 00:14:32.775 to steal at fish well. 00:14:33.225 --> 00:14:35.535 And it gets a lot of hate because it is 00:14:35.535 --> 00:14:37.905 busy, but as soon as you have a catch and 00:14:37.905 --> 00:14:39.285 keep fishery, that's what's going to happen. 00:14:39.315 --> 00:14:42.885 However, in terms of the water that's available 00:14:42.885 --> 00:14:44.865 there, the diversity of the runs and the water 00:14:44.865 --> 00:14:47.025 type there, and from a learning perspective, it 00:14:47.025 --> 00:14:50.205 is hands down one of the best systems out there. 00:14:50.205 --> 00:14:53.635 So it's a lot of hate all the time, all the time. 00:14:53.635 --> 00:14:54.605 People are like, Oh I don't want it to 00:14:54.605 --> 00:14:56.395 become the Vedder, or I hate the Vedder. 00:14:56.395 --> 00:14:56.745 Right, right. 00:14:57.225 --> 00:14:59.055 We need to throw that out because I don't 00:14:59.055 --> 00:14:59.805 think that's fair. 00:14:59.805 --> 00:15:02.005 It is busy because it's also a high access area. 00:15:02.005 --> 00:15:02.245 Easy access. 00:15:02.245 --> 00:15:04.454 You can fit a lot of water, easy access 00:15:04.454 --> 00:15:05.835 that's available for a lot of different 00:15:05.835 --> 00:15:06.675 kinds of people. 00:15:06.975 --> 00:15:08.715 You know, maybe you're not mobile, 00:15:08.715 --> 00:15:10.064 there's lots of places that you can go. 00:15:10.064 --> 00:15:12.704 So we need to kind of, I think dispense that 00:15:12.704 --> 00:15:15.314 idea that the Vedder's bad because it's busy. 00:15:15.465 --> 00:15:17.625 Let's think about the Vedder as being good 00:15:17.805 --> 00:15:19.875 because it has so many opportunities. 00:15:19.905 --> 00:15:23.175 There's also big fish in the Vedder, you 00:15:23.175 --> 00:15:25.005 know, there's 20 pound fish that come out 00:15:25.005 --> 00:15:25.875 of there every year. 00:15:26.575 --> 00:15:26.845 Wow. 00:15:27.225 --> 00:15:28.845 I was just there with my boyfriend today and 00:15:28.845 --> 00:15:31.454 he got a 15 pound wild buck, it was amazing. 00:15:31.665 --> 00:15:33.275 And there's not a lot of places where you 00:15:33.275 --> 00:15:37.265 can live in Canada or North America for that 00:15:37.265 --> 00:15:39.005 matter, where you can drive 45 minutes and 00:15:39.005 --> 00:15:40.564 catch 15 pound wild buck. 00:15:41.135 --> 00:15:41.855 You know what I mean? 00:15:41.915 --> 00:15:43.235 We're pretty lucky. 00:15:43.265 --> 00:15:46.525 And yeah, the Vedder is super busy, but 00:15:46.575 --> 00:15:46.945 it's also incredible. 00:15:46.945 --> 00:15:48.135 So I wonder if we're going to see more 00:15:48.155 --> 00:15:50.375 people on the Vedder, what you're just 00:15:50.375 --> 00:15:50.945 saying right now. 00:15:50.945 --> 00:15:52.445 I'm sorry Dimitri, I ruined your cover. 00:15:52.895 --> 00:15:54.215 I'm kidding. 00:15:54.575 --> 00:15:56.354 Maybe, but I think on the other hand, people 00:15:56.354 --> 00:15:58.255 know where they're going when they are, what 00:15:58.305 --> 00:15:59.535 they're getting into when they go out there. 00:15:59.535 --> 00:16:01.125 But I just, I kind of want to dispense 00:16:01.125 --> 00:16:02.564 that cause a lot of people put a lot of 00:16:02.564 --> 00:16:03.375 hate on that river. 00:16:03.525 --> 00:16:06.285 And from a fishing perspective, it is 00:16:06.285 --> 00:16:07.935 probably one of the nicest rivers to fish. 00:16:07.964 --> 00:16:09.425 It's diverse, there's lots of water, so. 00:16:09.454 --> 00:16:09.935 It's true. 00:16:09.935 --> 00:16:12.425 From the top to the middle, to the lower. 00:16:12.425 --> 00:16:13.405 And it's all very beautiful. 00:16:13.405 --> 00:16:14.045 It's all very different. 00:16:14.045 --> 00:16:14.415 It is beautiful! 00:16:14.415 --> 00:16:15.744 And it just gets hated on. 00:16:15.744 --> 00:16:18.255 And I just want to dispense that cause you 00:16:18.255 --> 00:16:19.705 know, you think winter steelhead and everybody's 00:16:19.725 --> 00:16:21.285 like, Ugh, I don't want to go to the Vedder. 00:16:21.775 --> 00:16:22.115 Right. 00:16:22.115 --> 00:16:22.415 But you'll do. 00:16:22.415 --> 00:16:23.905 Go to the Vedder, you will learn. 00:16:23.905 --> 00:16:25.215 You don't but you do. 00:16:26.605 --> 00:16:27.095 Yeah. 00:16:27.275 --> 00:16:30.094 But yeah lots of winter steelhead opportunities 00:16:30.094 --> 00:16:30.634 in the lower mainland. 00:16:30.634 --> 00:16:33.165 January, February, and that fishery will go 00:16:33.165 --> 00:16:35.265 till the river blows out in May pretty much. 00:16:35.385 --> 00:16:40.295 Well, the Vedder closes in May, above, not. 00:16:40.735 --> 00:16:42.215 Not this year. 00:16:42.215 --> 00:16:44.084 There's proposals to change that so. 00:16:45.150 --> 00:16:47.240 TBI is that changing this? 00:16:47.270 --> 00:16:48.160 Is this top secret? 00:16:48.230 --> 00:16:48.780 It might be. 00:16:48.829 --> 00:16:49.969 No, no, no, it's not top secret. 00:16:49.969 --> 00:16:51.399 No, no, no, there's proposals. 00:16:51.420 --> 00:16:51.990 Yeah. 00:16:52.020 --> 00:16:54.750 So typically May, but there is, I don't 00:16:54.750 --> 00:16:56.130 know how it would go in this year. 00:16:56.160 --> 00:16:56.550 I don't know. 00:16:56.550 --> 00:16:56.910 Actually. 00:16:57.870 --> 00:16:58.000 TBI. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:58.150 Okay. 00:16:58.329 --> 00:17:01.150 Anyway, usually it closes above the Vedder 00:17:01.170 --> 00:17:05.170 crossing May 1st and the lower, below the Vedder 00:17:05.190 --> 00:17:07.710 crossing stays open in May, but you usually 00:17:07.770 --> 00:17:09.960 might get like a week and then it blows out. 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:12.270 Okay well, we'll look it up and put it in 00:17:12.270 --> 00:17:13.170 the podcast notes. 00:17:13.170 --> 00:17:15.540 If we can find it, if it changes. 00:17:15.540 --> 00:17:16.020 Yeah. 00:17:16.770 --> 00:17:17.040 Yeah. 00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:19.649 And then you get into kind of as well 00:17:19.709 --> 00:17:20.459 this time of year. 00:17:20.459 --> 00:17:22.439 And I would say pretty much through till March. 00:17:22.439 --> 00:17:24.620 I mean, there's lots of resident trout fisheries. 00:17:24.620 --> 00:17:27.839 So all those, any system that got salmon 00:17:27.869 --> 00:17:30.240 in the previous fall, those are all going to 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:31.090 have resident trout. 00:17:31.090 --> 00:17:33.269 So your bull trout, your cutthroat, your rainbows, 00:17:33.269 --> 00:17:35.580 they're moving into those systems, looking to key 00:17:35.580 --> 00:17:38.899 in on egg patterns, on flesh patterns, on all 00:17:38.899 --> 00:17:39.649 those kinds of things. 00:17:39.649 --> 00:17:42.120 So you see lots of guys fishing fly patterns, 00:17:42.139 --> 00:17:43.950 like big flesh flies and stuff like that. 00:17:43.950 --> 00:17:46.399 That goes right till March pretty much. 00:17:46.770 --> 00:17:49.600 March the salmon fry will actually start hatching 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:52.120 when the weather warms up in March typically, or 00:17:52.149 --> 00:17:54.270 sometimes late February. 00:17:54.590 --> 00:17:54.720 Okay. 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.370 And then the trout, resident trout fishing 00:17:57.370 --> 00:17:59.590 gets phenomenal cause they'll gorge 00:17:59.590 --> 00:18:00.790 on those salmon fry. 00:18:01.030 --> 00:18:03.100 So bull trout fishing is great, cutthroat 00:18:03.100 --> 00:18:04.120 fishing is great. 00:18:04.419 --> 00:18:05.350 Rainbows. 00:18:06.090 --> 00:18:06.910 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:09.760 All through till the rivers blow out with. 00:18:09.760 --> 00:18:11.840 Well that'd be up Squamish as well 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:12.650 and up through. 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:14.060 Yep, absolutely. 00:18:14.060 --> 00:18:14.240 Yeah. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.540 Squamish systems, anywhere that connects to 00:18:17.540 --> 00:18:20.910 the Fraser in the Valley there, Harrison, Nicomen, 00:18:21.260 --> 00:18:22.430 Dewdney all that stuff. 00:18:22.460 --> 00:18:23.510 Stave. 00:18:23.690 --> 00:18:24.080 Okay. 00:18:24.110 --> 00:18:24.380 Yeah. 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:25.020 Yeah. 00:18:25.100 --> 00:18:26.270 Lots of opportunities. 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:27.470 Lots of opportunities. 00:18:27.530 --> 00:18:27.980 And then. 00:18:28.280 --> 00:18:30.800 So I see people sometimes fishing, you know, as 00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:33.410 you drive down towards the border down highway 00:18:33.410 --> 00:18:37.220 99, and right by the. 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:39.060 Yeah there's the Nicolmickle, 00:18:39.110 --> 00:18:42.090 Serpentine, Campbell, all those ditches. 00:18:42.129 --> 00:18:42.389 Right. 00:18:42.659 --> 00:18:45.080 I grew up, when I was in my teens, that's where 00:18:45.080 --> 00:18:47.030 I used to go, cause I grew up in North Delta. 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:49.280 So I used to go fish cutthroat in those 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:51.410 ditches all the time and it was great. 00:18:51.990 --> 00:18:53.720 I mean, mind you, they're not big, but 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.980 it's super fun after school, on an afternoon. 00:18:57.290 --> 00:19:00.690 Anything that connects to the Fraser or the ocean 00:19:00.690 --> 00:19:04.415 will have little runs of and sea run cutthroat. 00:19:04.415 --> 00:19:05.410 And that's what they're going for is cutthroat? 00:19:05.600 --> 00:19:08.300 Yep, cutthroat, or well, some of those rivers 00:19:08.300 --> 00:19:10.460 will have coho in the fall and chinook in the 00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:13.460 summer and some of them will also have steelhead 00:19:13.490 --> 00:19:15.380 there's hatcheries on the little Campbell. 00:19:15.380 --> 00:19:16.850 And I think the Nicolmickle as well. 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.470 That's pretty easy access. 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:19.210 Super easy access. 00:19:19.210 --> 00:19:20.379 Do they get pretty crowded as well? 00:19:20.410 --> 00:19:20.879 No. 00:19:21.450 --> 00:19:24.330 Dirty ditch water, people don't find 00:19:24.330 --> 00:19:25.740 it very attractive. 00:19:25.850 --> 00:19:26.940 But they have fish. 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:28.050 There's fish in them. 00:19:28.050 --> 00:19:29.020 Yeah, absolutely. 00:19:29.910 --> 00:19:30.330 Yeah. 00:19:30.629 --> 00:19:34.140 It's not exactly the most picturesque fly fishing 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:35.760 experience in the woods. 00:19:35.820 --> 00:19:37.189 No, no. 00:19:37.220 --> 00:19:40.110 Fishing amongst farm fields and whatnot, 00:19:40.110 --> 00:19:42.629 but it's something to do and it's close so. 00:19:42.629 --> 00:19:44.180 I remember one time going, I think it was 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:46.040 the Serpentine and I thought I'm going to 00:19:46.040 --> 00:19:47.640 raft down the Serpentine. 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:47.790 Nice! 00:19:47.790 --> 00:19:49.510 I was getting really into rafting at one point and 00:19:49.510 --> 00:19:52.005 I thought, well we'll just take this raft, I'll 00:19:52.005 --> 00:19:54.615 put it in and I'll catch it as a tide's going out. 00:19:54.615 --> 00:19:56.455 And I basically put it in a ditch, me and 00:19:56.475 --> 00:19:57.195 this other fellow. 00:19:57.195 --> 00:20:00.075 And I spent hours kicking and paddling and kicking 00:20:00.075 --> 00:20:01.845 and paddling with a case of beer in my lap. 00:20:01.845 --> 00:20:04.525 Thinkin I could have some nice lazy little, 00:20:04.525 --> 00:20:08.935 little drift down, it never happened, but yes. 00:20:08.935 --> 00:20:09.845 It sounds like a lot of work. 00:20:09.905 --> 00:20:10.685 It was a lot of work. 00:20:10.715 --> 00:20:10.835 Yeah. 00:20:10.955 --> 00:20:14.255 And yes, it's not the most scenic place to be. 00:20:15.285 --> 00:20:17.085 But did see some anglers. 00:20:17.345 --> 00:20:18.225 Yeah, there ya go. 00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:19.710 So, yeah. 00:20:19.710 --> 00:20:21.510 So you get those kind of fry popping out in 00:20:21.510 --> 00:20:24.210 that kind of Mar- late February, March, April. 00:20:24.210 --> 00:20:26.100 And that's a big, that's a big food 00:20:26.100 --> 00:20:27.540 source for a lot of those resident fish. 00:20:27.540 --> 00:20:30.000 So anywhere that had salmon, you think 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.220 about it, we got chum fry coming out, 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:34.350 we'll have pink fry next year, I guess. 00:20:34.850 --> 00:20:36.169 Any of those systems, that's when the fries 00:20:36.169 --> 00:20:38.090 start to move out and all the resident trout 00:20:38.090 --> 00:20:39.169 really key in on that. 00:20:39.169 --> 00:20:40.370 So that can be a fishery as well. 00:20:40.370 --> 00:20:42.889 You know, March, you have a little bit 00:20:42.889 --> 00:20:45.649 longer days, but maybe you're not into steel 00:20:45.649 --> 00:20:48.409 heading, you know, it's not quite lake season. 00:20:48.409 --> 00:20:49.219 What do you do? 00:20:50.059 --> 00:20:52.399 SO there's all that available cutthroat. 00:20:52.399 --> 00:20:54.770 Some guys will go fish off beaches in 00:20:54.770 --> 00:20:56.629 the lower mainland in the salt water, if 00:20:56.629 --> 00:20:58.010 you want to do that. 00:20:58.010 --> 00:21:01.185 But rainy day sometimes that's not ideal either. 00:21:01.495 --> 00:21:02.145 True, true. 00:21:02.145 --> 00:21:04.065 It can be a little bit harder as well. 00:21:04.065 --> 00:21:05.985 That can be a little bit nitpicky, but there's 00:21:06.015 --> 00:21:07.215 lots of options too. 00:21:07.215 --> 00:21:09.315 And then you get into the springtime and then you 00:21:09.315 --> 00:21:12.745 have BC's 20,000 lakes that's available to us. 00:21:12.745 --> 00:21:14.705 Fish a different lake every day for the 00:21:14.705 --> 00:21:15.185 rest of your life. 00:21:15.215 --> 00:21:16.005 Pretty much. 00:21:16.635 --> 00:21:18.725 So that's you're, what, late. 00:21:19.185 --> 00:21:21.255 Yeah, depending on the year and the 00:21:21.315 --> 00:21:22.425 temperatures we get. 00:21:22.455 --> 00:21:22.845 Yeah. 00:21:22.875 --> 00:21:25.095 But based on how this year is going, 00:21:25.095 --> 00:21:27.335 it could be a really early lake season. 00:21:27.335 --> 00:21:28.215 Right, yeah. 00:21:28.215 --> 00:21:29.395 Mid to late April. 00:21:29.425 --> 00:21:30.705 Yeah, mid to late April. 00:21:30.705 --> 00:21:32.475 There's usually the lower elevation lakes 00:21:32.475 --> 00:21:35.555 that are icing off and then may and June 00:21:35.555 --> 00:21:40.135 will be your prime, still water months. 00:21:40.415 --> 00:21:40.645 Okay. 00:21:40.645 --> 00:21:43.590 And there's so many other things going 00:21:43.590 --> 00:21:44.460 on at that time too. 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:46.800 You can go bass fishing, which is also 00:21:46.800 --> 00:21:48.290 a very new thing in the lower mainland. 00:21:48.290 --> 00:21:49.260 Where do you go bass fishing? 00:21:49.310 --> 00:21:49.929 Oh my gosh. 00:21:49.950 --> 00:21:50.580 Anywhere. 00:21:50.650 --> 00:21:51.010 Really? 00:21:51.060 --> 00:21:51.150 Yeah. 00:21:51.340 --> 00:21:53.460 There's any pon- Oh, I'm going to ruin it. 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:55.070 It this an invasive species or what? 00:21:55.070 --> 00:21:55.250 Yes. 00:21:55.360 --> 00:21:56.330 It is. 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:58.850 I mean, it's a fairly new fishery, but 00:21:58.850 --> 00:22:02.810 basically any pond or slew in Abbotsford, 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.930 pitt Meadows, langley. 00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:05.530 I heard there's a 00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:06.730 --. Yeah. 00:22:06.730 --> 00:22:08.700 In the -- area. 00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:09.910 It's a secret. 00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:13.260 Shhhh, shut up. 00:22:13.260 --> 00:22:14.440 You know what's funny. 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:17.570 You might want to cut that. 00:22:18.690 --> 00:22:20.340 I noticed you didn't mention that during 00:22:20.340 --> 00:22:21.480 the presentation. 00:22:21.570 --> 00:22:22.460 I wasn't going to say anything 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:25.730 But what's funny is, is the person who actually 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:27.500 asked this question, I'm going to call him 00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:31.695 out right now because he gave us some heat 00:22:31.845 --> 00:22:35.774 for doing a crabbing episode with MeatEater 00:22:35.774 --> 00:22:36.865 with April Vokey. 00:22:37.185 --> 00:22:39.574 Oh that's right. 00:22:39.574 --> 00:22:40.064 Remember that? 00:22:40.064 --> 00:22:41.145 So Brock, don't think I forgot that one. 00:22:41.145 --> 00:22:44.645 Well you're giving them secret crabbing spots? 00:22:44.715 --> 00:22:46.095 No, we didn't even say the location. 00:22:46.095 --> 00:22:48.090 We were just out crabbing and I guess he 00:22:48.090 --> 00:22:49.950 was able to determine what beach we were at. 00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:51.270 Oh my God. 00:22:51.710 --> 00:22:52.500 He's a local. 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.050 Okay. 00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:56.270 But in his defense, it was his idea and actually 00:22:56.270 --> 00:22:57.530 there's a few people who put it up, but I 00:22:57.530 --> 00:22:59.580 just thought he'd get a kick out of hearing his 00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:00.550 name mentioned on here. 00:23:01.040 --> 00:23:04.130 It was his idea to share this information. 00:23:04.130 --> 00:23:05.240 But you guys let me know if we've got 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:06.460 to beep things out as we go through 00:23:06.460 --> 00:23:06.920 here, we can do that. 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.630 Yeah, maybe specific spots. 00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:09.470 We won't say. 00:23:09.470 --> 00:23:11.159 We're not going to talk about specific spots. 00:23:11.159 --> 00:23:13.274 But I mean, there are like, right in 00:23:13.274 --> 00:23:17.205 vanc- Burnaby, Deer Lake has huge bass. 00:23:17.544 --> 00:23:17.665 Yes. 00:23:17.685 --> 00:23:20.355 Burnaby Lake has huge bass and super easy 00:23:20.355 --> 00:23:21.705 access and right in town. 00:23:21.975 --> 00:23:23.235 You don't have to go very far, but 00:23:23.235 --> 00:23:24.584 there's there's bass. 00:23:24.945 --> 00:23:25.094 Yeah. 00:23:25.125 --> 00:23:26.235 Those ones you're okay to say. 00:23:26.354 --> 00:23:26.804 Yeah. 00:23:26.865 --> 00:23:27.504 And we do. 00:23:27.504 --> 00:23:28.094 Would you eat them? 00:23:28.544 --> 00:23:29.004 Nah. 00:23:29.595 --> 00:23:30.535 I've heard people say you can. 00:23:30.535 --> 00:23:31.004 You can. 00:23:31.004 --> 00:23:31.834 Not from Deer Lake. 00:23:31.834 --> 00:23:32.185 I think. 00:23:32.265 --> 00:23:32.795 No! 00:23:33.004 --> 00:23:33.554 Serious? 00:23:33.554 --> 00:23:35.074 You can? 00:23:35.225 --> 00:23:36.084 You can?! 00:23:36.084 --> 00:23:36.695 But I wouldn't. 00:23:37.645 --> 00:23:37.845 Okay. 00:23:38.085 --> 00:23:41.205 I mean, depending on where you got it from, 00:23:41.264 --> 00:23:44.755 if it was like a nice, clear Lake, maybe. 00:23:44.815 --> 00:23:46.165 Apparently they're delicious, but 00:23:46.435 --> 00:23:47.155 not deer lake. 00:23:47.185 --> 00:23:48.985 I've eaten straight Mexico so. 00:23:51.555 --> 00:23:53.695 No, so yeah, but they are an invasive. 00:23:53.695 --> 00:23:55.095 And I think that is something that people, 00:23:55.095 --> 00:23:57.555 it is becoming more prevalent in the lower 00:23:57.555 --> 00:23:59.655 mainland, probably at the cost of a lot 00:23:59.655 --> 00:24:00.465 of other species. 00:24:00.465 --> 00:24:02.535 Especially as they, those systems that 00:24:02.535 --> 00:24:06.675 they're in to now that connect to the Fraser 00:24:06.675 --> 00:24:08.745 in the last, maybe two years, there's been some 00:24:08.745 --> 00:24:10.485 systems that do connect to the Fraser that 00:24:10.485 --> 00:24:11.985 are serious problems. 00:24:12.015 --> 00:24:12.135 Yeah. 00:24:12.335 --> 00:24:16.175 For residents steelhead salmon in some instances. 00:24:16.175 --> 00:24:19.175 So it is a problem, but we have to be realistic 00:24:19.175 --> 00:24:20.705 that it is a fishery that is here now, and 00:24:20.705 --> 00:24:21.965 it's very popular. 00:24:21.965 --> 00:24:22.805 It's so much fun. 00:24:23.045 --> 00:24:23.235 Yeah? 00:24:23.405 --> 00:24:24.095 It is fun. 00:24:25.345 --> 00:24:26.405 Would you fly fish for them? 00:24:26.405 --> 00:24:27.375 Or what do you use for? 00:24:27.375 --> 00:24:32.455 You can, the only issue with that is it's hard 00:24:32.575 --> 00:24:34.615 to, people are gonna hate me for this, but 00:24:34.615 --> 00:24:37.315 it is hard to fly fish in the spots that you 00:24:37.315 --> 00:24:38.940 get good bass fishing. 00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.310 In the lily pads, under brush and that 00:24:42.310 --> 00:24:44.620 sort of stuff in the weeds, it's definitely 00:24:44.620 --> 00:24:45.860 better with gear. 00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:48.580 That being said, I have fly fish for them 00:24:48.580 --> 00:24:51.010 a bunch and like Pitt Meadows, just take the 00:24:51.010 --> 00:24:53.590 dogs for a walk and bring your fly rod with 00:24:53.590 --> 00:24:54.730 a little bass popper. 00:24:54.760 --> 00:24:56.920 You get tons of the smaller ones and a 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.560 bunch of little pumpkin seed and pan fish and 00:24:59.560 --> 00:25:00.040 that sort of stuff. 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:01.150 It's super fun. 00:25:01.210 --> 00:25:03.090 But if you want like bigger bass, 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.970 I'd definitely switch to gear. 00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:09.450 Actually an episode of DAS boat, I 00:25:09.450 --> 00:25:10.140 remember that. 00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:10.700 Das boat. 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:10.760 Yeah. 00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:11.100 Ahh, that's right, you're. 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.200 She's getting all frustrated. 00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:16.370 Some people might hate me for this cause the 00:25:16.490 --> 00:25:19.440 fly fishing purists will say otherwise, 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.180 but there's a reason Bassmaster Classics 00:25:23.180 --> 00:25:24.260 is all gear fishermen. 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:25.250 Just saying. 00:25:25.310 --> 00:25:26.510 Can't catch everything with fly. 00:25:26.510 --> 00:25:27.100 Exactly. 00:25:27.570 --> 00:25:29.230 You know, you gotta know your place. 00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:29.490 Yeah. 00:25:30.020 --> 00:25:33.330 But yeah, and back to our lakes, I mean, you got 00:25:33.330 --> 00:25:35.430 your lake fishing, which is just exceptional. 00:25:35.430 --> 00:25:36.629 And it doesn't, you don't have to do 00:25:36.629 --> 00:25:37.770 crazy trips either. 00:25:37.770 --> 00:25:39.990 I think that's another thing too, is there's 00:25:39.990 --> 00:25:41.159 lots of Lake fishing. 00:25:41.729 --> 00:25:44.669 certainly within an hour or two hours, 00:25:44.669 --> 00:25:46.350 three hours, you have the exponential 00:25:46.350 --> 00:25:47.760 number of local lakes. 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:49.290 So it's not, it doesn't have to be 00:25:49.290 --> 00:25:50.370 a big production. 00:25:50.399 --> 00:25:50.669 Yeah. 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.300 Not even that far really. 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.540 You don't have to invest in a boat. 00:25:55.540 --> 00:25:57.340 Like there's lots of options that you can do 00:25:57.340 --> 00:26:00.100 locally, which I think gets underrated a little 00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:01.600 bit because people think that you have to 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:04.580 make some big excursion to some camping, you 00:26:04.600 --> 00:26:06.610 know, 150 miles house. 00:26:06.610 --> 00:26:06.780 Yeah. 00:26:06.860 --> 00:26:10.630 We're really lucky to have the trophy lake 00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:13.380 fishing that we have in the interior in Merritt 00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:15.375 Kamloops, Caribou, blah, blah, blah. 00:26:15.675 --> 00:26:18.764 But a lot of people forget that there's all 00:26:18.764 --> 00:26:21.254 of the local lakes in the lower mainland are 00:26:21.254 --> 00:26:22.575 also stocked with trout. 00:26:22.575 --> 00:26:24.764 And if you don't want to drive too far, or you're 00:26:24.764 --> 00:26:27.554 a young kid and you don't have a car, there's a 00:26:27.554 --> 00:26:30.315 lot of lakes that you can even bus to and fish. 00:26:30.585 --> 00:26:31.305 Absolutely. 00:26:31.305 --> 00:26:32.715 That's all stocked with trout. 00:26:32.745 --> 00:26:34.305 That's a great, like the Freshwater 00:26:34.305 --> 00:26:36.825 Fisheries Society does an unbelievable job 00:26:36.825 --> 00:26:38.325 in the lower mainland stocking those lakes. 00:26:38.325 --> 00:26:41.325 So it, yeah, that's a great point actually, 00:26:41.325 --> 00:26:43.905 because people get so uppity about like going 00:26:43.905 --> 00:26:45.675 to a big trophy, but it meant you can go to 00:26:45.675 --> 00:26:48.345 like Lafarge lake in Coquitlam, Grayslake and 00:26:48.345 --> 00:26:50.635 like North Van was like 10 minutes from my house. 00:26:50.635 --> 00:26:52.335 Green Timbers, in Surrey, they throw 00:26:52.355 --> 00:26:55.115 in the odd broodstock rainbow in there. 00:26:55.115 --> 00:26:55.757 Ohh, there ya go! 00:26:55.757 --> 00:26:57.545 Once in a while an 8 year old kid will pull 00:26:57.545 --> 00:26:59.925 out a 10 pound trout and your like, what? 00:27:00.015 --> 00:27:00.285 So cool. 00:27:00.285 --> 00:27:00.545 Yeah. 00:27:00.545 --> 00:27:03.355 You don't have to go far, right. 00:27:03.445 --> 00:27:05.605 And I think that's kind of, you know, you see 00:27:05.605 --> 00:27:08.765 all the pictures of all the grand adventures, 00:27:08.784 --> 00:27:10.315 but that's like, you don't have to do that. 00:27:10.495 --> 00:27:10.764 Yeah. 00:27:10.794 --> 00:27:12.385 If you don't have the means to do that, there's 00:27:12.385 --> 00:27:13.645 lots of fishing nearby. 00:27:13.885 --> 00:27:16.105 If you do have the means to drive out to 00:27:16.105 --> 00:27:19.284 the interior, we are extremely lucky with 00:27:19.284 --> 00:27:21.774 what the Freshwater Fisheries Society of 00:27:21.795 --> 00:27:25.065 BC has done with our interior lakes and 00:27:25.185 --> 00:27:28.245 the triploid fish that they've done and it's 00:27:28.245 --> 00:27:29.295 absolutely phenomenal. 00:27:29.295 --> 00:27:32.355 You can have some really, really incredible fishing 00:27:33.345 --> 00:27:36.405 and that's from yeah, you know, late, mid to 00:27:36.405 --> 00:27:39.465 late April till November. 00:27:39.915 --> 00:27:40.575 Technically yeah. 00:27:40.605 --> 00:27:41.715 Depending on your elevation. 00:27:41.745 --> 00:27:42.135 Yeah. 00:27:42.165 --> 00:27:43.155 Till it freezes up. 00:27:43.245 --> 00:27:43.515 Yeah. 00:27:43.635 --> 00:27:47.145 Obviously it's better May, June will be 00:27:47.145 --> 00:27:49.035 your ideal month, sometimes July. 00:27:49.395 --> 00:27:51.835 Middle of summer is usually your summer 00:27:51.855 --> 00:27:54.255 doldrums, the water's too warm, the fish go deep. 00:27:54.285 --> 00:27:57.135 And then it picks up again in the fall, so 00:27:57.135 --> 00:27:59.295 September, October, sometimes November. 00:28:00.455 --> 00:28:04.025 So summertime just take out on the ocean fishing. 00:28:04.025 --> 00:28:04.105 Yeah. 00:28:04.105 --> 00:28:06.715 Take your fishing out there. 00:28:06.715 --> 00:28:07.075 Ocean if you want. 00:28:07.075 --> 00:28:07.805 Ocean and everything that we love. 00:28:07.805 --> 00:28:08.025 And trout! 00:28:08.025 --> 00:28:08.205 Oh my God. 00:28:08.255 --> 00:28:10.445 My favorite, the best months. 00:28:10.475 --> 00:28:11.465 The best months. 00:28:11.765 --> 00:28:13.475 For river trout fishing. 00:28:13.535 --> 00:28:13.865 Yeah. 00:28:14.435 --> 00:28:17.365 So there's a lot of, err, not a lot, 00:28:17.365 --> 00:28:19.835 there's a few rivers that open up July 1st. 00:28:20.045 --> 00:28:23.405 Like the Skagit, Similkameen that 00:28:23.405 --> 00:28:24.755 are fantastic. 00:28:25.575 --> 00:28:29.054 Dry fly trout fisheries, and we're absolutely 00:28:29.054 --> 00:28:29.534 obsessed with them. 00:28:30.225 --> 00:28:32.345 On the Thompson, good trout. 00:28:32.875 --> 00:28:34.774 Yeah, I think that actually opens earlier. 00:28:34.804 --> 00:28:36.285 Yeah, it opens earlier. 00:28:36.285 --> 00:28:38.385 But like the Chilliwack, so then the Vedder 00:28:38.385 --> 00:28:41.054 opens again July 1st and you can target chinook 00:28:41.075 --> 00:28:41.735 in there if you are. 00:28:41.735 --> 00:28:42.205 And trout. 00:28:42.205 --> 00:28:42.824 So apt. 00:28:42.824 --> 00:28:43.774 And trout as well. 00:28:43.774 --> 00:28:45.395 But the summertime, I mean, in British 00:28:45.395 --> 00:28:46.804 Columbia, especially in the lower mainland, 00:28:46.955 --> 00:28:48.525 it is endless. 00:28:48.525 --> 00:28:49.765 So many options. 00:28:49.785 --> 00:28:51.975 Summer, you know that June, July, August, 00:28:51.975 --> 00:28:55.275 September, October, pretty much into November 00:28:55.635 --> 00:28:56.685 pick what you want to do. 00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:58.410 We have so much here. 00:28:58.410 --> 00:29:03.930 I think that we like to complain a lot about how 00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:05.160 busy things are here. 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.250 Being attached to. 00:29:07.280 --> 00:29:08.320 It's been known to happen. 00:29:08.430 --> 00:29:11.560 Being attached to a city of two plus million. 00:29:11.790 --> 00:29:14.550 But on the other hand, it is endless. 00:29:14.670 --> 00:29:15.900 We have so much. 00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:16.140 Yeah. 00:29:16.320 --> 00:29:18.180 And I mean, we, we share a passion for 00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:20.280 trout fishing a lot, that's kind of where 00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:22.630 we, I think fostered our friendship, I would say. 00:29:23.270 --> 00:29:27.105 So the summertime is definitely just endless 00:29:27.105 --> 00:29:28.155 things that you can do. 00:29:28.575 --> 00:29:30.385 We got salt water fisheries on the ocean 00:29:30.385 --> 00:29:33.135 if you have a boat or access to a boat as well, 00:29:33.135 --> 00:29:34.095 and you can go there. 00:29:34.095 --> 00:29:36.764 And then yeah, we have dry fly fishing. 00:29:36.764 --> 00:29:38.565 We have some of the best dry fly fishing around. 00:29:39.075 --> 00:29:39.375 Yeah? 00:29:39.395 --> 00:29:40.985 I think a lot of people would argue that, but 00:29:40.985 --> 00:29:42.935 there's we have some in British Columbia, I 00:29:42.935 --> 00:29:43.665 should say as a whole. 00:29:44.555 --> 00:29:44.775 Yeah. 00:29:44.775 --> 00:29:45.155 Oh yeah. 00:29:45.305 --> 00:29:47.014 British Columbia has a hold absolutely. 00:29:47.014 --> 00:29:47.284 Yeah. 00:29:47.645 --> 00:29:50.705 The, I mean, the closer you get to 00:29:50.705 --> 00:29:52.475 the city, obviously the more pressured 00:29:52.475 --> 00:29:54.485 the fish are, so you definitely have to. 00:29:55.230 --> 00:29:57.149 Yeah, the fish are definitely pickier, 00:29:57.939 --> 00:29:59.139 more selective. 00:30:00.360 --> 00:30:03.090 But the farther away you go, like we fished the 00:30:03.090 --> 00:30:07.410 Blackwater the summer and any fly in your box, 00:30:07.560 --> 00:30:10.240 pick the biggest one, skate it, like everything 00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:12.030 you've ever known about dry fly fishing, throw 00:30:12.030 --> 00:30:13.590 it out the window because it doesn't matter. 00:30:13.590 --> 00:30:15.570 Those are so unpressured. 00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:16.120 Really? 00:30:16.210 --> 00:30:18.420 And not picky whatsoever. 00:30:18.790 --> 00:30:22.600 You know, hundred fish in a day, no problem. 00:30:22.780 --> 00:30:24.100 And there's so many other fisheries 00:30:24.130 --> 00:30:25.860 like that in BC. 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.970 What was that when you fished by 00:30:27.970 --> 00:30:29.170 Prince George there? 00:30:29.470 --> 00:30:30.760 Regardless, doesn't matter, I don't 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:32.020 have to name rivers. 00:30:32.020 --> 00:30:33.260 You'd probably have to beep it out anyways. 00:30:33.260 --> 00:30:34.210 Yeah, exactly. 00:30:34.820 --> 00:30:34.950 Beep. 00:30:34.990 --> 00:30:35.910 River X. 00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:40.350 But yeah, we're really lucky with what we 00:30:40.350 --> 00:30:41.580 have here in BC. 00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:44.190 The rivers closer to the lower mainland 00:30:44.250 --> 00:30:45.950 or in the lower mainland, or obviously 00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:49.575 a little bit trickier. 00:30:50.265 --> 00:30:52.785 But the other thing we have this year, 2021. 00:30:52.815 --> 00:30:53.285 Oh yeah. 00:30:53.615 --> 00:30:54.195 Pinks. 00:30:55.545 --> 00:30:57.895 I love it when the pinks come. 00:30:58.145 --> 00:30:59.565 Except when they bump into the boat. 00:30:59.835 --> 00:31:01.995 And you're not catching them. 00:31:01.995 --> 00:31:02.765 It's frustrating. 00:31:02.765 --> 00:31:03.865 Tiffany knew right where I was at. 00:31:03.865 --> 00:31:04.805 She's like pinkksss. 00:31:04.805 --> 00:31:07.375 I love catching pinks. 00:31:08.040 --> 00:31:08.260 Yeah. 00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:10.760 And I think this is a huge thing. 00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:12.379 And going back to what we were talking about, 00:31:12.379 --> 00:31:13.429 new anglers as well. 00:31:13.459 --> 00:31:13.639 Yeah. 00:31:13.669 --> 00:31:15.549 This is your fishery. 00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:16.139 The pinks? 00:31:16.139 --> 00:31:17.249 If you are a new fly angler. 00:31:17.249 --> 00:31:19.279 This is your year, 2021. 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:20.269 This is your year. 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.120 Okay. 00:31:21.139 --> 00:31:22.250 New year, new you. 00:31:22.370 --> 00:31:23.649 This is where we're going. 00:31:24.020 --> 00:31:25.470 But this, yeah. 00:31:25.489 --> 00:31:27.139 This, especially for fly anglers. 00:31:27.139 --> 00:31:28.580 Absolutely, for sure. 00:31:28.729 --> 00:31:31.429 So you're not catchin tiddlers. 00:31:31.645 --> 00:31:33.175 You're catching salmon and they 00:31:33.175 --> 00:31:34.135 are spunky as heck. 00:31:34.135 --> 00:31:34.895 And if you. 00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:36.104 They put up a good fight. 00:31:36.274 --> 00:31:38.185 You know what, as a new angler, this is 00:31:38.185 --> 00:31:40.344 a fantastic resource that we have that 00:31:40.344 --> 00:31:41.774 comes in, I mean even. 00:31:41.774 --> 00:31:42.745 Every couple of years. 00:31:42.774 --> 00:31:43.195 Yeah. 00:31:43.225 --> 00:31:43.854 Every odd year. 00:31:43.885 --> 00:31:44.604 Every odd year. 00:31:44.604 --> 00:31:47.125 And they come into pretty much almost every. 00:31:47.805 --> 00:31:49.995 Yeah, almost all the systems. 00:31:50.205 --> 00:31:50.955 Most of them. 00:31:51.165 --> 00:31:54.875 I mean, big ones would be like the Fraser. 00:31:55.675 --> 00:31:57.354 The Frasers. 00:31:57.354 --> 00:31:58.125 Squamish, Chilliwack, Harrison. 00:31:58.514 --> 00:31:58.794 Yeah. 00:31:59.014 --> 00:32:00.314 They all, you know, they all get them. 00:32:00.314 --> 00:32:02.595 Hopefully they let us fish for them. 00:32:03.225 --> 00:32:03.425 Yeah. 00:32:03.425 --> 00:32:04.445 Yeah last time we were. 00:32:04.445 --> 00:32:04.975 Knock on wood. 00:32:04.975 --> 00:32:06.315 A little out of luck down there. 00:32:06.635 --> 00:32:06.705 Yeah. 00:32:07.014 --> 00:32:09.635 But pinks are a geat option, especially 00:32:09.635 --> 00:32:10.774 for those new anglers. 00:32:10.774 --> 00:32:11.505 Cause they can go out. 00:32:11.505 --> 00:32:11.775 Absolutely. 00:32:12.125 --> 00:32:14.135 And I mean, you're not catching like a little 00:32:14.135 --> 00:32:17.415 like me- you know, little dinker, you're catching 00:32:17.415 --> 00:32:20.514 a salmon that's gonna be anywhere from three to 00:32:20.514 --> 00:32:21.735 six pounds on average. 00:32:21.735 --> 00:32:24.264 You might get a bigger one than that, but you 00:32:24.264 --> 00:32:26.355 can go and you can catch them and you learn a lot. 00:32:26.355 --> 00:32:28.695 And as a fly angler, especially when you have 00:32:28.695 --> 00:32:31.155 that consistent kind of rate where you're 00:32:31.155 --> 00:32:33.555 interacting with fish, you know, it really 00:32:33.555 --> 00:32:34.544 helps you as an angler. 00:32:34.544 --> 00:32:36.675 So that's depending. 00:32:37.590 --> 00:32:38.370 Depending on. 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:38.850 Mid July. 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:39.340 Yeah. 00:32:39.750 --> 00:32:40.190 Certain rivers. 00:32:40.190 --> 00:32:40.750 Till September. 00:32:40.750 --> 00:32:42.540 Like Squamish usually gets them earlier. 00:32:42.540 --> 00:32:44.130 Like Howe Sound Fisheries usually get them 00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:46.230 earlier than the Fraser. 00:32:46.620 --> 00:32:49.230 But yeah, usually it's like mid July, even early 00:32:49.230 --> 00:32:51.240 July people start getting them off the beach 00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:53.490 and then July through. 00:32:53.950 --> 00:32:55.090 Mid-October. 00:32:55.179 --> 00:32:55.840 Yeah, technically. 00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:56.169 Yeah. 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.250 Depending on where you are for sure. 00:32:57.250 --> 00:32:58.649 Depending on where you are, the Fraser 00:32:58.649 --> 00:33:01.000 will get them till October anyways, 00:33:01.030 --> 00:33:03.310 through September and. 00:33:03.490 --> 00:33:04.790 That just overlaps all the trout 00:33:04.790 --> 00:33:05.399 fishing we have too. 00:33:05.399 --> 00:33:06.010 Oh my gosh. 00:33:06.100 --> 00:33:07.929 Everything's overlapping in that time. 00:33:08.379 --> 00:33:08.679 Yeah. 00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:10.030 That's when I have. 00:33:10.090 --> 00:33:10.780 September. 00:33:10.780 --> 00:33:11.919 You have people coming in the shop 00:33:11.919 --> 00:33:13.000 and they're like, so I want to go fishing. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.430 I'm like, what do you want to do? 00:33:14.430 --> 00:33:14.710 Cool. 00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:15.680 Pick one. 00:33:15.889 --> 00:33:17.200 Which way do you want to go? 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.070 How far and what do you got? 00:33:19.070 --> 00:33:19.120 Big fish? 00:33:19.120 --> 00:33:20.139 Little fish? 00:33:20.445 --> 00:33:23.665 So yeah, summer is great and that's not, we're 00:33:23.665 --> 00:33:25.995 not even counting the, like you kind of touched 00:33:25.995 --> 00:33:28.004 on before the crabbing that you have available 00:33:28.004 --> 00:33:30.764 to you, the saltwater fishery that sits right 00:33:30.764 --> 00:33:31.965 out in front of our city. 00:33:32.294 --> 00:33:32.595 Oh. 00:33:32.625 --> 00:33:33.345 So lucky. 00:33:33.345 --> 00:33:34.385 You know, so. 00:33:34.534 --> 00:33:34.905 So lucky. 00:33:34.905 --> 00:33:35.415 So lucky. 00:33:35.415 --> 00:33:35.635 So lucky. 00:33:36.415 --> 00:33:37.485 You know, people are like, what do I do? 00:33:37.485 --> 00:33:38.745 I don't know what to do this weekend. 00:33:38.745 --> 00:33:40.284 I'm like, you know, we've got so much. 00:33:40.284 --> 00:33:41.804 Do you not know what to do because there's 00:33:41.804 --> 00:33:42.645 too many options? 00:33:43.825 --> 00:33:44.895 Too many things. 00:33:45.615 --> 00:33:45.725 Yeah. 00:33:45.905 --> 00:33:47.294 And then we, I guess we would shift into 00:33:47.294 --> 00:33:48.225 the fall and then. 00:33:49.395 --> 00:33:52.405 And you got salmon for days. 00:33:52.435 --> 00:33:54.315 Salmon, coho. 00:33:54.365 --> 00:33:55.865 Coho, chinook, chum. 00:33:56.195 --> 00:33:57.155 Where viable. 00:33:57.185 --> 00:33:57.304 Yeah. 00:33:57.524 --> 00:34:02.405 Coho starts in September in the South Fraser 00:34:02.465 --> 00:34:03.794 systems anyway, like the Vedder we'll get 00:34:03.794 --> 00:34:07.355 them early, early September through 00:34:07.385 --> 00:34:08.714 mid November, almost. 00:34:09.495 --> 00:34:11.645 Squamish got some in October, November. 00:34:11.795 --> 00:34:14.975 Chum will start showing up in October, November. 00:34:15.989 --> 00:34:19.739 Yeah, it's just a roller coaster of options. 00:34:19.859 --> 00:34:20.909 Back into winter springs. 00:34:20.969 --> 00:34:21.239 Yeah. 00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:21.939 There you go. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:22.629 There you go. 00:34:23.120 --> 00:34:24.109 And then you also, there's all 00:34:24.109 --> 00:34:25.239 trout in like. 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:25.699 Oh in the fall. 00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:27.199 Pretty much in the fall too. 00:34:27.259 --> 00:34:28.879 I mean, they'll follow those salmon up as well. 00:34:28.879 --> 00:34:31.040 So there's lots of trout opportunities as well 00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:33.020 that go right through till Christmas time and. 00:34:33.020 --> 00:34:33.509 Absolutely. 00:34:33.590 --> 00:34:33.880 Really? 00:34:33.909 --> 00:34:34.679 Through salmon eggs. 00:34:34.699 --> 00:34:35.659 Yeah, absolutely. 00:34:35.659 --> 00:34:37.279 There that's another thing too, that 00:34:37.339 --> 00:34:39.859 October on really when the salmon show up. 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:40.330 Yeah. 00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:42.109 All the egg fishing and stuff. 00:34:42.109 --> 00:34:45.940 So there's, that's always kind of there and 00:34:45.940 --> 00:34:46.900 people forget about that. 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:47.370 Interesting. 00:34:47.370 --> 00:34:48.120 We get so stuck. 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:50.700 And then just like you said too, October, you 00:34:50.700 --> 00:34:51.810 can go lake fishing. 00:34:51.910 --> 00:34:52.250 Oh yeah. 00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:52.610 Totally. 00:34:52.610 --> 00:34:54.750 It can be super good, but that just kind of gets 00:34:54.750 --> 00:34:55.800 thrown out the window. 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.800 As soon as July comes around. 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.160 Oh, for, I mean for us living in lower mainland 00:35:01.160 --> 00:35:03.460 anyway, I'm sure the guys end up in Kamloops or. 00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:06.990 Like what are you talking about all the 00:35:06.990 --> 00:35:08.160 way till it freezes up. 00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:09.450 And then we fish the hard water. 00:35:09.450 --> 00:35:09.950 That's right. 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:10.500 Yeah. 00:35:10.609 --> 00:35:13.860 And then, yeah, ice fishing, which, you know, 00:35:13.950 --> 00:35:15.540 we don't get a lot of down here, but that's 00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:16.500 definitely an option. 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:17.400 A lot of people do that. 00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:19.800 I'm dying to go ice fishing this year. 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:21.630 I don't know why, something about it. 00:35:22.020 --> 00:35:22.620 It's pretty fun. 00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:24.669 I've never had too much success ice fishing. 00:35:25.130 --> 00:35:27.980 I would dig a bunch of holes, I put up flags. 00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:28.820 I would. 00:35:28.820 --> 00:35:29.660 Drank a lot of rum. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.530 I did drink a lot of rum, this is true. 00:35:31.530 --> 00:35:32.010 Yeah, it's pretty fun. 00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:33.660 That's the thing, you just drink and 00:35:33.660 --> 00:35:35.769 stare at a hole in the water or the ice. 00:35:37.109 --> 00:35:37.740 It's pretty fun. 00:35:37.740 --> 00:35:39.330 I did go to Tunkwa last year. 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:40.020 Oh yeah. 00:35:40.049 --> 00:35:43.279 And it was, it, it got pretty addicting. 00:35:43.490 --> 00:35:43.560 Yeah? 00:35:43.560 --> 00:35:44.370 I'm not going to lie. 00:35:44.370 --> 00:35:44.609 Yeah. 00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:46.620 And you have like the little, when you have 00:35:46.620 --> 00:35:48.269 your fish finder too, it's pretty much like a. 00:35:48.269 --> 00:35:49.750 Oh yeah, you guys had a video game going on. 00:35:49.750 --> 00:35:54.060 It was a video game, 100% a video game happening, 00:35:54.149 --> 00:35:55.350 live video game. 00:35:55.810 --> 00:35:59.625 And huge shout out to Tunkwa Lake 00:35:59.625 --> 00:36:00.825 resort for that and. 00:36:00.825 --> 00:36:02.685 Ugh, we're supposed to go this year. 00:36:02.915 --> 00:36:05.215 Rob up there at Tunkwa lake, pretty much like 00:36:05.365 --> 00:36:07.225 helped me with that. 00:36:07.225 --> 00:36:09.105 And it is unreal. 00:36:09.605 --> 00:36:09.875 Very cool. 00:36:09.875 --> 00:36:11.515 When you get somebody that is like dialed 00:36:11.515 --> 00:36:12.535 into ice fishing. 00:36:12.535 --> 00:36:12.595 Yeah. 00:36:13.069 --> 00:36:14.359 And he like mentors, you. 00:36:14.359 --> 00:36:16.359 I was like, this is the funnest thing. 00:36:16.410 --> 00:36:18.790 Oh, we did a trip, a family trip up to a mile 00:36:18.790 --> 00:36:20.350 high resort last winter. 00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:23.049 I mind you, the fish aren't big, but 00:36:23.109 --> 00:36:24.670 it's so much fun. 00:36:24.810 --> 00:36:25.190 So fun. 00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:26.520 It is fun up there. 00:36:26.589 --> 00:36:28.600 Especially when it's not, like mind you, we 00:36:28.600 --> 00:36:32.299 didn't have a big ice fishing tent, we were 00:36:32.529 --> 00:36:36.490 just in lawn chairs on the lake, but man, 00:36:36.490 --> 00:36:37.390 it's so much fun. 00:36:37.390 --> 00:36:39.730 I could see if you had a tent and a stove. 00:36:39.730 --> 00:36:39.799 Yeah. 00:36:39.850 --> 00:36:40.750 So my dad. 00:36:41.140 --> 00:36:43.270 You'd be hard pressed to get me off that. 00:36:43.270 --> 00:36:45.040 My dad, we did that one trip. 00:36:45.130 --> 00:36:47.980 He bought himself a huge 10 person ice 00:36:47.980 --> 00:36:48.950 fishing tent this year. 00:36:48.950 --> 00:36:49.090 Nice. 00:36:49.090 --> 00:36:51.610 So we can go, but thanks to COVID, 00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:53.290 everything's closed. 00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:55.620 So until next time, I guess. 00:36:56.080 --> 00:36:56.430 Yeah so. 00:36:56.430 --> 00:36:58.110 But we're set for next time. 00:36:58.170 --> 00:37:00.630 Oh, there's, I don't think you could 00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:03.320 say, unless it rains torrentially, which 00:37:03.350 --> 00:37:04.400 can happen in January. 00:37:04.430 --> 00:37:04.610 Yeah. 00:37:04.730 --> 00:37:06.820 And we're in Vancouver so, disclaimer. 00:37:07.670 --> 00:37:10.880 But honestly, unless there's some 00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:13.340 apocalyptic event, you can do something 00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:15.060 every single day in the lower mainland. 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:17.840 And even when there's those crazy rains, there 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.860 are a couple systems with dams on them. 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:20.720 There's things that you can do. 00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:22.630 That are still very fishable with that. 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.460 Yeah. 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:24.300 Amount of rain. 00:37:24.330 --> 00:37:25.530 We are so lucky here. 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.660 There is never a day when there's not something 00:37:27.660 --> 00:37:28.320 that you could do. 00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:29.100 Absolutely. 00:37:29.540 --> 00:37:31.800 So with the rain though, that sort of blows out 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:33.360 the river or it's just unpleasant to fish? 00:37:33.390 --> 00:37:34.440 No, it blows up. 00:37:34.490 --> 00:37:35.130 Yeah. 00:37:35.160 --> 00:37:36.570 Like we're supposed to get what? 00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:38.670 80 mils tomorrow that'll blow at the 00:37:38.670 --> 00:37:41.070 river, it'll be brown, it'll be too high. 00:37:42.045 --> 00:37:42.495 Eh. 00:37:42.524 --> 00:37:43.395 So go duck hunting? 00:37:43.484 --> 00:37:44.205 Go duck hunting. 00:37:44.984 --> 00:37:45.225 Yeah. 00:37:46.815 --> 00:37:47.325 Yeah. 00:37:47.504 --> 00:37:49.335 You know, maybe, maybe, or, you know, it's 00:37:49.335 --> 00:37:50.504 January, you could go up the mountain or 00:37:50.504 --> 00:37:51.375 something like that too. 00:37:51.404 --> 00:37:54.435 But that, however, if you were really, really, 00:37:54.435 --> 00:37:56.115 really keen on it, there would be things 00:37:56.115 --> 00:37:56.484 that you could go. 00:37:56.484 --> 00:37:56.935 There's some options. 00:37:56.955 --> 00:37:57.884 To do tomorrow. 00:37:58.274 --> 00:37:59.504 You know, you might have to work a little 00:37:59.504 --> 00:38:01.214 bit harder and it might not be productive as 00:38:01.214 --> 00:38:03.194 other opportunities, but you could fish 00:38:03.254 --> 00:38:06.194 365 here in never do the same thing twice. 00:38:06.194 --> 00:38:10.075 And the other thing with when the river does blow 00:38:10.075 --> 00:38:11.655 out, that people don't really think about, those 00:38:11.655 --> 00:38:13.095 fish are still there. 00:38:13.635 --> 00:38:15.875 They don't just all wash away into the ocean 00:38:15.875 --> 00:38:17.375 cause the river came up. 00:38:17.615 --> 00:38:17.735 Right. 00:38:18.435 --> 00:38:19.955 They're still there. 00:38:19.955 --> 00:38:22.595 And you know what, what they do is that 00:38:22.595 --> 00:38:25.025 we'll just tuck into, you know, really close 00:38:25.025 --> 00:38:28.505 to shore and they'll go up the inside so. 00:38:28.785 --> 00:38:29.615 So work the inside. 00:38:29.615 --> 00:38:31.475 Work the inside, maybe use a bigger 00:38:31.475 --> 00:38:32.315 presentation. 00:38:33.005 --> 00:38:34.265 There's still options. 00:38:34.605 --> 00:38:36.795 It's definitely not as productive, but there's 00:38:36.795 --> 00:38:39.435 still options and those, those rivers with dams, 00:38:40.109 --> 00:38:42.450 they definitely, you know, hold the water 00:38:42.450 --> 00:38:44.129 back as one would say. 00:38:45.370 --> 00:38:46.770 You're not going to catch anything sitting 00:38:46.770 --> 00:38:47.740 at home on the couch. 00:38:47.850 --> 00:38:49.669 Definitely not going to catch anything 00:38:49.669 --> 00:38:50.259 on the couch. 00:38:50.339 --> 00:38:50.629 Yeah. 00:38:50.629 --> 00:38:51.329 Practice your cast. 00:38:51.350 --> 00:38:53.250 It's a long cast from the couch. 00:38:53.250 --> 00:38:55.589 I like that. 00:38:55.589 --> 00:38:56.649 You've used that before. 00:38:56.700 --> 00:38:57.919 That's not mine. 00:38:57.919 --> 00:39:00.529 I'll have to give a shout out for, to Tim. 00:39:00.529 --> 00:39:03.700 I snatched that one from you, sorry buddy. 00:39:04.700 --> 00:39:05.650 Well, okay. 00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:07.250 So we've got an idea of a calendar of what 00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:07.819 we're looking for. 00:39:07.850 --> 00:39:10.395 Basically, there's something everywhere, 00:39:10.395 --> 00:39:12.285 all the time, if you're willing to work for it. 00:39:12.315 --> 00:39:12.585 Yeah. 00:39:13.015 --> 00:39:14.555 But a new person getting into it. 00:39:14.585 --> 00:39:17.315 So there's a couple things that I'm sure 00:39:17.315 --> 00:39:18.605 you guys probably hear a lot in, like 00:39:19.085 --> 00:39:20.285 what gear do I need? 00:39:20.285 --> 00:39:21.904 And then I guess the other one would be, 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:24.570 man, those regulations, they're tougher to 00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:28.380 read than the hunting regulations and they 00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:30.780 change and they change on a regular basis and you 00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.720 gotta be able to keep up with the ongoing changes 00:39:33.720 --> 00:39:35.970 and on my end, freshwater or saltwater, or am 00:39:35.970 --> 00:39:38.540 I, is it permissible at this area or not? 00:39:39.950 --> 00:39:41.935 Are those common questions that you get? 00:39:41.935 --> 00:39:42.595 Big time. 00:39:42.705 --> 00:39:44.855 They definitely don't try to make it easy on you 00:39:44.855 --> 00:39:46.255 as far as regulations go. 00:39:46.295 --> 00:39:47.205 What's up with that? 00:39:47.795 --> 00:39:48.055 No. 00:39:48.055 --> 00:39:48.805 They want to catch you! 00:39:48.865 --> 00:39:49.565 You definitely. 00:39:49.565 --> 00:39:53.035 And I guess you guys from the hunting side 00:39:53.035 --> 00:39:55.015 as well, I mean, you, you, you almost need 00:39:55.015 --> 00:39:56.935 a law degree to read some of that stuff. 00:39:56.935 --> 00:39:57.155 Yeah. 00:39:57.155 --> 00:39:57.775 Kind of. 00:39:57.775 --> 00:39:58.565 So, yeah. 00:39:58.995 --> 00:40:01.305 And yeah. 00:40:01.645 --> 00:40:03.270 I mean, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, 00:40:03.270 --> 00:40:04.890 but I do think that there's a bit of gray 00:40:04.890 --> 00:40:07.109 area that's intentionally put in there. 00:40:07.269 --> 00:40:08.879 Ooo, this'll be fun. 00:40:09.229 --> 00:40:11.819 No I just, I think that it there's a lot 00:40:11.819 --> 00:40:13.140 of instances where it could have been written 00:40:13.140 --> 00:40:15.089 a lot clearer and that comes from both 00:40:15.089 --> 00:40:18.384 the federal and the provincial side as well. 00:40:18.934 --> 00:40:20.835 BUt it is, it is hard and I can see, 00:40:20.835 --> 00:40:22.395 you know, people get intimidated when they 00:40:22.395 --> 00:40:22.955 come in the shop. 00:40:22.955 --> 00:40:23.235 Right. 00:40:23.235 --> 00:40:24.615 They're like, what can I do? 00:40:24.615 --> 00:40:25.545 And you're like, I get it. 00:40:25.575 --> 00:40:27.105 I know why you're confused. 00:40:27.105 --> 00:40:27.465 Believe me. 00:40:27.795 --> 00:40:30.495 I sit there and I try and decipher half the 00:40:30.495 --> 00:40:31.694 stuff half the time, so. 00:40:31.694 --> 00:40:31.875 Right. 00:40:32.295 --> 00:40:33.825 It can be challenging. 00:40:34.065 --> 00:40:36.805 So for hunting, there's Mark Stenroos. 00:40:36.825 --> 00:40:39.045 He made an app he's, did a podcast with him 00:40:39.045 --> 00:40:40.515 before, called iHunter. 00:40:40.935 --> 00:40:44.625 And it's got the synopsis in an app form, but it 00:40:44.625 --> 00:40:47.685 also has like pictures of the animals and it tells 00:40:47.685 --> 00:40:50.955 you geo locate where you are and what you can and 00:40:50.955 --> 00:40:52.945 can't hunt at that time. 00:40:52.965 --> 00:40:54.134 Is there anything like that for fishing? 00:40:54.525 --> 00:40:59.535 There is actually, there is a new, the BCWF I 00:40:59.535 --> 00:41:01.245 believe, it's on my phone, I can grab it. 00:41:01.245 --> 00:41:02.835 They had one that just came out as well 00:41:02.835 --> 00:41:04.845 that is an app that's similar to that as well. 00:41:04.895 --> 00:41:05.745 Oh interesting. 00:41:05.945 --> 00:41:06.125 Yeah. 00:41:06.125 --> 00:41:08.145 I would urge people though, like, 00:41:08.145 --> 00:41:08.955 you gotta know. 00:41:09.075 --> 00:41:10.555 You still have to do your due diligence. 00:41:10.555 --> 00:41:11.005 Right, learn how to read it. 00:41:11.005 --> 00:41:11.505 And stuff like that. 00:41:11.525 --> 00:41:11.705 Yeah. 00:41:11.735 --> 00:41:12.005 Yeah. 00:41:12.005 --> 00:41:13.925 I don't go fishing without, you know, 00:41:13.955 --> 00:41:16.055 don't go fishing new area without checking 00:41:16.055 --> 00:41:16.655 the regulations. 00:41:16.655 --> 00:41:19.475 I feel like a lot of people they just assume. 00:41:19.505 --> 00:41:20.055 Yeah. 00:41:20.195 --> 00:41:23.150 I think, I think an app. 00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:24.680 I agree with the app. 00:41:24.710 --> 00:41:26.170 I think the app is a great resource. 00:41:26.290 --> 00:41:28.990 Resource, but you never rely on it, but the 00:41:28.990 --> 00:41:30.970 same breath you read the synopsis, it says 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.950 this is a resource and it's not the law. 00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:33.940 Have you ever seen that? 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:34.580 Yeah, I, yeah. 00:41:34.580 --> 00:41:35.780 Woah, I haven't seen that. 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.439 I feel like we have to be aware of, you 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:43.220 can't use it and be like, Oh the app said. 00:41:43.220 --> 00:41:43.310 Right. 00:41:43.310 --> 00:41:44.630 Oh totally not. 00:41:44.630 --> 00:41:44.830 Yeah. 00:41:44.830 --> 00:41:45.570 That doesn't work. 00:41:45.570 --> 00:41:46.240 I've heard that before. 00:41:46.240 --> 00:41:47.720 But if you can cross check it. 00:41:47.750 --> 00:41:49.190 Just say, okay I got it, it says it's 00:41:49.190 --> 00:41:50.690 open, let me take a look at the synopsis. 00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:51.290 Yeah, it looks good. 00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:53.960 And I should put a caveat on that one, for the 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.380 hunting synopsis anyways, it says this isn't law. 00:41:57.890 --> 00:41:59.690 This is to be used as a reference. 00:41:59.720 --> 00:42:01.790 It's a synop- the word synopsis means 00:42:01.790 --> 00:42:04.880 condensed version of, and the same thing I 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.680 would think applies to the fishing synopsis. 00:42:06.680 --> 00:42:09.210 Cause it's all based on something else so. 00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:10.755 I would think that too, but then how do 00:42:10.755 --> 00:42:12.445 they charge you on the wildlife act then? 00:42:12.985 --> 00:42:15.905 Under, it wouldn't be under the synopsis, 00:42:15.905 --> 00:42:19.955 but it would be under the wildlife act. 00:42:19.955 --> 00:42:22.225 The wildlife act would be synopsisized. 00:42:22.375 --> 00:42:26.225 See, already were in the gray area. 00:42:27.935 --> 00:42:30.095 That's all of two sentences to get 00:42:30.095 --> 00:42:31.295 into the gray area. 00:42:31.295 --> 00:42:32.195 Boop. 00:42:33.365 --> 00:42:35.745 Let's back out of this one. 00:42:36.825 --> 00:42:37.985 Okay, so. 00:42:38.035 --> 00:42:42.365 I mean, in short, the fishing synopsis, 00:42:43.105 --> 00:42:46.705 it's not that ridiculous to read. 00:42:46.885 --> 00:42:49.245 The fresh water one anyway, for trout. 00:42:49.245 --> 00:42:49.654 Sure, freshwater. 00:42:49.654 --> 00:42:51.085 And steelhead and whatnot. 00:42:51.085 --> 00:42:51.385 For sure. 00:42:51.385 --> 00:42:52.645 Don't get me started on DFO. 00:42:52.785 --> 00:42:55.504 Yeah, the province. 00:42:55.504 --> 00:42:56.544 We talked about this earlier. 00:42:56.544 --> 00:42:57.724 Yeah, exactly. 00:42:58.194 --> 00:43:01.425 So the annoying part as somebody who works 00:43:01.425 --> 00:43:06.045 in a shop anyway, is that salmon regulations 00:43:06.355 --> 00:43:07.535 aren't printed out. 00:43:07.665 --> 00:43:10.140 They're on a website. 00:43:10.229 --> 00:43:10.379 Right. 00:43:10.379 --> 00:43:12.120 So they're are two totally different 00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:12.959 regulations. 00:43:13.020 --> 00:43:13.229 Right. 00:43:13.259 --> 00:43:16.569 And a lot of people don't know how to find them or 00:43:16.569 --> 00:43:17.549 don't know where to look. 00:43:18.029 --> 00:43:20.399 So trout and steelhead, everything managed 00:43:20.399 --> 00:43:22.620 provincially is printed out in the synopsis and 00:43:22.620 --> 00:43:23.640 you get a paper copy. 00:43:23.879 --> 00:43:26.100 And that does get easier. 00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:26.370 It is easier. 00:43:26.370 --> 00:43:29.970 So based on what region you're in every, you 00:43:29.970 --> 00:43:31.709 know, there's chapters based on the regions, you 00:43:31.709 --> 00:43:33.959 look at the front page of that region and it'll 00:43:33.959 --> 00:43:37.240 give you the general regulations and if you're 00:43:37.240 --> 00:43:39.580 going to a specific river or lake, you 00:43:39.580 --> 00:43:41.120 look them up in those. 00:43:41.150 --> 00:43:43.240 There's basically a huge list of all the 00:43:43.240 --> 00:43:45.140 different exceptions. 00:43:45.230 --> 00:43:45.459 Right. 00:43:45.459 --> 00:43:47.950 So it'll be, you know, let's say rice 00:43:47.950 --> 00:43:49.690 lake, I'm going to rice lake tomorrow. 00:43:49.690 --> 00:43:52.480 Look up rice lake it'll if it says something, 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.279 if it says, you know, no motors allowed, 00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:56.950 no bait allowed, blah, blah, blah. 00:43:57.250 --> 00:43:59.380 Then those are the rules for that lake. 00:43:59.380 --> 00:43:59.580 Easy. 00:43:59.580 --> 00:44:01.780 If you don't see rice lake in the list, then 00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:05.135 you just refer back to the general regulations 00:44:05.465 --> 00:44:06.365 in that region. 00:44:06.605 --> 00:44:06.785 Yeah. 00:44:06.785 --> 00:44:07.415 That makes sense. 00:44:07.415 --> 00:44:10.125 Salmon regulations are on the a whole other 00:44:10.175 --> 00:44:13.325 thing and they get updated pretty frequently 00:44:13.445 --> 00:44:17.195 in season, so it's definitely a lot harder 00:44:17.195 --> 00:44:18.875 for people to fall along with that one. 00:44:19.655 --> 00:44:21.765 Especially, well, I mean the Fraser River, we're 00:44:21.765 --> 00:44:23.725 talking about that, but that's going to be tidal 00:44:23.745 --> 00:44:25.185 water up until what 00:44:25.185 --> 00:44:25.465 Mission. 00:44:25.465 --> 00:44:25.775 The bridge? 00:44:25.855 --> 00:44:26.035 Yeah. 00:44:26.385 --> 00:44:26.635 Yeah. 00:44:26.635 --> 00:44:26.945 Yeah. 00:44:27.545 --> 00:44:29.795 I think, yeah that's probably actually 00:44:29.795 --> 00:44:31.985 one thing that gets asked a lot. 00:44:31.985 --> 00:44:33.485 I mean, we have provincial regulations 00:44:33.485 --> 00:44:35.405 which apply to all our freshwater systems. 00:44:35.705 --> 00:44:38.585 And then we also have salmon, which transcends 00:44:38.605 --> 00:44:41.345 both freshwater and saltwater system. 00:44:41.355 --> 00:44:43.865 So they're managed by saltwater. 00:44:44.075 --> 00:44:44.505 Right. 00:44:44.615 --> 00:44:48.615 Or by sorry, by the federal government, but 00:44:48.615 --> 00:44:50.715 when they enter into a freshwater system, 00:44:50.835 --> 00:44:53.715 the freshwater system regulations still 00:44:53.715 --> 00:44:55.575 apply, but they're still managed by the 00:44:55.935 --> 00:44:57.015 provincial government. 00:44:57.265 --> 00:44:57.354 Right. 00:44:57.354 --> 00:44:59.715 So for instance, in the summertime on the 00:44:59.715 --> 00:45:03.404 Capilano, you cannot use bait after August 1st. 00:45:04.275 --> 00:45:04.575 Okay. 00:45:04.605 --> 00:45:05.055 Okay. 00:45:05.235 --> 00:45:06.945 That's a provincial regulation. 00:45:07.185 --> 00:45:07.575 Okay. 00:45:07.634 --> 00:45:10.215 But if you're fishing for coho in the summertime, 00:45:10.755 --> 00:45:13.515 in August, you cannot use bait, which is a 00:45:13.515 --> 00:45:16.415 provincial regulation, but you can only keep X 00:45:16.415 --> 00:45:17.565 number of coho in there. 00:45:17.565 --> 00:45:20.835 So you have to constantly be looking at two 00:45:20.835 --> 00:45:22.875 different regulations at the same time, which 00:45:23.055 --> 00:45:24.915 is not all the time. 00:45:24.915 --> 00:45:27.645 I will say, clearly explain that that's 00:45:27.645 --> 00:45:28.725 how it works. 00:45:29.365 --> 00:45:29.975 I'd agree. 00:45:30.125 --> 00:45:30.455 Yeah. 00:45:30.455 --> 00:45:32.135 So they had some confusing ones 00:45:32.135 --> 00:45:32.905 this season too. 00:45:32.905 --> 00:45:34.835 Yeah, so that can definitely, that's 00:45:34.835 --> 00:45:35.465 another thing. 00:45:35.465 --> 00:45:37.145 That's a bit of an inhibitor, especially 00:45:37.145 --> 00:45:38.105 to a new angler coming. 00:45:38.105 --> 00:45:39.095 They're like, so what do I read? 00:45:39.095 --> 00:45:40.715 I'm like, well, you actually have 00:45:40.715 --> 00:45:41.525 to read both. 00:45:42.515 --> 00:45:42.995 Yeah. 00:45:43.085 --> 00:45:43.925 And they're like, what? 00:45:43.955 --> 00:45:47.225 But I'm fishing in the river and I'm 00:45:47.225 --> 00:45:48.155 looking at a DFO? 00:45:48.165 --> 00:45:49.715 I'm like, yeah but you're fishing for 00:45:49.715 --> 00:45:51.875 salmon, you know? 00:45:51.875 --> 00:45:56.675 So that can be a bit of a hurdle for new 00:45:56.675 --> 00:45:59.235 anglers as well, is that, we're fortunate 00:45:59.255 --> 00:46:01.985 because we have all these anadromous species 00:46:01.985 --> 00:46:04.715 and we have these, two regulatory bodies, 00:46:04.715 --> 00:46:06.055 but then on the other hand, it's like woah, 00:46:06.055 --> 00:46:08.185 woah, woah, now I have twice as many rules? 00:46:08.535 --> 00:46:08.715 Right. 00:46:08.715 --> 00:46:10.435 And you gotta make sure you're following both 00:46:10.435 --> 00:46:11.265 of them and you're not. 00:46:11.535 --> 00:46:13.075 And be able to identify the fish too. 00:46:13.305 --> 00:46:13.495 Right. 00:46:13.495 --> 00:46:15.495 At what stage in their spawning sequence. 00:46:15.495 --> 00:46:16.255 Yeah, yeah exactly. 00:46:16.915 --> 00:46:19.904 Yeah, one thing I will say, if you are confused 00:46:19.904 --> 00:46:22.575 about regulations, just call your local shop or 00:46:22.575 --> 00:46:23.595 go into your local shop. 00:46:23.774 --> 00:46:26.774 Don't just go fishing thinking that you got it 00:46:26.774 --> 00:46:28.964 all figured out based on one of the regulations 00:46:28.964 --> 00:46:30.944 that you read, or somebody said something, 00:46:30.944 --> 00:46:31.544 blah, blah, blah. 00:46:31.575 --> 00:46:33.394 Your buddy said that this is okay. 00:46:33.894 --> 00:46:35.305 Just ask. 00:46:35.825 --> 00:46:37.725 You know, the guys at the shop will know. 00:46:38.145 --> 00:46:38.785 And they're used to it. 00:46:38.785 --> 00:46:39.775 You guys get it all the time right? 00:46:39.775 --> 00:46:40.105 They're used to it. 00:46:40.105 --> 00:46:42.194 We get those questions every day, all day. 00:46:42.254 --> 00:46:43.665 I think that's actually a really good point 00:46:43.665 --> 00:46:45.674 because that kind of segues into our, like 00:46:45.734 --> 00:46:48.225 the whole premise of our women's group is 00:46:48.225 --> 00:46:49.855 just ask the question. 00:46:50.025 --> 00:46:52.095 You know what I've had phone calls at the 00:46:52.095 --> 00:46:54.715 shop where it's like, Hey uhm, uhm, uhm, and 00:46:54.815 --> 00:46:57.127 you can hear the river in the background. 00:46:57.127 --> 00:46:59.444 And it's like, uhh, can you keep this fish here? 00:46:59.444 --> 00:47:00.645 And you're like, uh no, it's closed. 00:47:00.645 --> 00:47:01.365 It's like, okay, click. 00:47:02.654 --> 00:47:04.089 And you're lik, uh ohh. 00:47:04.089 --> 00:47:05.399 What did you kill? 00:47:05.399 --> 00:47:07.200 Something is on the beach that's not supposed 00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:09.540 to be, but if you're not sure, just like 00:47:09.540 --> 00:47:11.310 Cat at said, just ask. 00:47:11.520 --> 00:47:14.520 Phone a shop, a shop is never gonna say anything 00:47:14.549 --> 00:47:16.540 to you, and I'm sorry if you've had a bad. 00:47:16.540 --> 00:47:16.930 We don't bite. 00:47:16.990 --> 00:47:18.540 Experience for that, but the shops don't 00:47:18.540 --> 00:47:21.000 bite, like we're here to be that, literally 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.799 our job is to read those regulations 00:47:22.799 --> 00:47:24.150 and understand those regulations. 00:47:24.290 --> 00:47:24.560 Right. 00:47:24.650 --> 00:47:27.734 So we sit there and when a new notice comes out 00:47:27.734 --> 00:47:29.174 or something, you have to sit there and it's 00:47:29.535 --> 00:47:31.055 terrible to sit there and read through all 00:47:31.075 --> 00:47:32.475 that, but that's our job. 00:47:32.535 --> 00:47:34.125 And so phone your shop and be like, Hey, 00:47:34.125 --> 00:47:36.134 I'm a little confused on this, what's the 00:47:36.134 --> 00:47:37.825 perception here, and then go from there. 00:47:37.825 --> 00:47:39.585 That's why the shops are there. 00:47:39.585 --> 00:47:41.444 That's why we have small businesses that are there 00:47:41.444 --> 00:47:42.645 to read those rules. 00:47:42.645 --> 00:47:43.235 Exactly. 00:47:43.575 --> 00:47:44.375 And understand them. 00:47:44.495 --> 00:47:46.565 So tell me about the BC Women's 00:47:46.565 --> 00:47:47.365 Fly Fishing group. 00:47:48.944 --> 00:47:50.040 Just one day you woke up. 00:47:50.399 --> 00:47:52.200 Sorry, I was waiting until you took a drink. 00:47:55.009 --> 00:47:55.399 Yeah. 00:47:55.430 --> 00:47:56.509 How did it start really? 00:47:56.509 --> 00:48:00.839 So maybe we'll start with how, how Gill 00:48:00.859 --> 00:48:03.049 and I started fishing together, I guess. 00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:03.319 Yeah. 00:48:03.350 --> 00:48:05.209 Cause that's where the conversation came up. 00:48:05.750 --> 00:48:07.539 I remember the conversation we had. 00:48:07.629 --> 00:48:08.259 Me too. 00:48:08.259 --> 00:48:10.279 And it was really, it was fun. 00:48:10.609 --> 00:48:10.899 Do you wanna? 00:48:11.029 --> 00:48:11.290 Okay. 00:48:11.660 --> 00:48:12.169 Yeah, let's hear it. 00:48:12.169 --> 00:48:12.309 Okay. 00:48:12.309 --> 00:48:12.589 I'll go. 00:48:12.740 --> 00:48:12.899 Okay. 00:48:13.700 --> 00:48:15.945 So essentially what happened is 00:48:16.005 --> 00:48:16.695 back in the day. 00:48:16.695 --> 00:48:19.215 So my ex boyfriend and her boyfriend 00:48:19.365 --> 00:48:20.525 are best friends. 00:48:20.555 --> 00:48:20.755 Okay. 00:48:21.055 --> 00:48:21.405 Okay. 00:48:21.645 --> 00:48:24.015 And so they would guide up in Haida Gwaii 00:48:24.015 --> 00:48:26.175 and they'd be gone all summer because 00:48:26.175 --> 00:48:26.955 that's what guides do. 00:48:26.955 --> 00:48:27.545 Bless them. 00:48:27.845 --> 00:48:27.955 Sure. 00:48:27.955 --> 00:48:28.895 But they'd be gone all summer. 00:48:28.895 --> 00:48:32.295 So from mid to late June, right in through 00:48:32.295 --> 00:48:33.605 til early August, like. 00:48:33.605 --> 00:48:36.325 Trout season. 00:48:36.325 --> 00:48:36.375 Yeah. 00:48:36.375 --> 00:48:38.485 You know like, okay bye, I love you, 00:48:38.550 --> 00:48:39.330 have a good time. 00:48:39.330 --> 00:48:41.670 You know we respect, they do what they love. 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.450 We respect that, we understand it. 00:48:43.450 --> 00:48:43.590 Sure. 00:48:43.590 --> 00:48:44.220 You do you. 00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:46.710 So then you're left kind of all summer. 00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.020 So that being said, they started, they're still 00:48:49.020 --> 00:48:52.290 best friends and you know, they kind of had 00:48:52.305 --> 00:48:52.845 that and they go away. 00:48:52.845 --> 00:48:55.065 So I think actually when it started, cause I've 00:48:55.065 --> 00:48:57.075 known Dimitri longer, her boyfriend longer 00:48:57.075 --> 00:48:58.035 than I've known you. 00:48:58.215 --> 00:48:58.545 Yeah. 00:48:58.575 --> 00:49:00.655 Actually, and Dimitri said like, Hey you 00:49:00.655 --> 00:49:02.205 should get in touch with Catherine. 00:49:02.205 --> 00:49:03.585 Like she really likes trout fishing. 00:49:03.585 --> 00:49:05.235 I was like, Oh, okay, that sounds cool. 00:49:05.625 --> 00:49:07.895 So I have to say one thing too, our boyfriends 00:49:07.895 --> 00:49:09.185 don't like trout fishing. 00:49:09.455 --> 00:49:10.735 They're a nuisance. 00:49:10.735 --> 00:49:14.525 If it's not a steelhead, chinook or a sturgeon. 00:49:14.774 --> 00:49:16.214 Who cares. 00:49:16.654 --> 00:49:18.115 So anyway, that was what it. 00:49:18.145 --> 00:49:19.314 That was never appreciated. 00:49:19.314 --> 00:49:19.935 How it started. 00:49:19.935 --> 00:49:20.924 Yeah. 00:49:21.495 --> 00:49:21.884 Yeah. 00:49:21.884 --> 00:49:24.754 So then I said, I think we went and 00:49:24.754 --> 00:49:26.375 fished the Thompson for trout I think for 00:49:26.375 --> 00:49:27.884 the first time that was kind of our thing. 00:49:27.884 --> 00:49:29.174 And then your car got stolen. 00:49:29.204 --> 00:49:29.264 Yeah. 00:49:29.264 --> 00:49:29.354 What? 00:49:29.374 --> 00:49:32.204 But that's a different story, but anyways. 00:49:32.204 --> 00:49:33.584 Adventures. 00:49:33.635 --> 00:49:33.855 Yeah. 00:49:33.855 --> 00:49:36.665 So it kind of grew from there and we kind of got 00:49:36.665 --> 00:49:39.605 connected through them and it came to be that we 00:49:39.605 --> 00:49:42.785 had this shared passion for trout fishing, which 00:49:42.935 --> 00:49:46.355 we couldn't necessarily have them have with 00:49:46.355 --> 00:49:47.345 them because you know. 00:49:47.405 --> 00:49:48.195 Cause they're not into it. 00:49:48.425 --> 00:49:50.255 No, and they're are, they're both 00:49:50.275 --> 00:49:52.555 very, extremely good anglers, like. 00:49:52.555 --> 00:49:53.105 Oh for sure. 00:49:53.165 --> 00:49:53.405 Top tier. 00:49:53.405 --> 00:49:54.654 They just don't care about trout. 00:49:54.654 --> 00:49:55.315 They just don't care. 00:49:55.315 --> 00:49:55.685 It doesn't go. 00:49:55.685 --> 00:49:58.285 Actually I got, Dimitri likes lake fishing. 00:49:58.315 --> 00:49:58.525 Yeah. 00:49:58.535 --> 00:49:59.155 Disclaimer. 00:49:59.215 --> 00:50:00.725 Only chironomid though. 00:50:01.385 --> 00:50:03.275 As soon as the chironomids go away and 00:50:03.275 --> 00:50:06.275 damsel flies and may fly nimphs come out, uh, no. 00:50:06.695 --> 00:50:06.990 But yeah, 00:50:06.990 --> 00:50:08.880 so we hung out and then we started to develop 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.280 that we had this like really great shared 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.350 passion for trout fishing specifically, which has 00:50:13.350 --> 00:50:15.090 obviously expanded into more, but it kind of 00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:16.650 started there and we're like, Oh, this is great. 00:50:16.650 --> 00:50:17.550 Like they're gone. 00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:20.010 We both are in the same situation. 00:50:20.010 --> 00:50:21.300 You know, they're gone, we have each 00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:22.320 other, we can hang out. 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:22.850 It's perfect. 00:50:22.850 --> 00:50:23.779 Totally, totally. 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:25.050 And then we go trout fishing. 00:50:25.050 --> 00:50:28.610 And the vibe with another female angler. 00:50:28.810 --> 00:50:32.920 So different than with, I dunno, it's, I don't 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:33.420 wanna be, mean to be, 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:33.850 It's just different. 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.920 Sexist, but yes, it's so much fun. 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.160 It's not competitive. 00:50:37.330 --> 00:50:39.300 It's, you know, you're yeah. 00:50:40.590 --> 00:50:40.980 It's just. 00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:42.140 Our conversations are differnt in the car. 00:50:42.140 --> 00:50:42.470 On the same level. 00:50:42.700 --> 00:50:45.000 Conversations are so much fun. 00:50:45.029 --> 00:50:47.400 It's not like, I missed that fish like four 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.440 hours ago and I'm like really pissed about it. 00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:52.170 Although it does happen. 00:50:52.589 --> 00:50:53.790 But, you know, it'll be still like 00:50:53.790 --> 00:50:54.960 girl talk, it'll. 00:50:55.049 --> 00:50:55.560 Yeah. 00:50:55.589 --> 00:50:57.060 So it's still fun that way. 00:50:57.060 --> 00:50:58.290 So we kind of went and it just like 00:50:58.319 --> 00:50:59.279 instantly clicked. 00:50:59.310 --> 00:51:01.170 Somebody gets a big fish and there's like 00:51:01.230 --> 00:51:03.759 crazy screams going on. 00:51:03.759 --> 00:51:04.909 And we're like so pumped for eachother. 00:51:04.909 --> 00:51:06.660 It's not like I'm going to be like pouting. 00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:06.839 No. 00:51:06.839 --> 00:51:08.490 Not to say that all boys pout, but I've 00:51:08.490 --> 00:51:10.170 been in situations where I've fished with. 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:10.860 There's never. 00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:11.090 Guys. 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.260 Been a pouty session with us. 00:51:13.290 --> 00:51:13.570 No. 00:51:13.570 --> 00:51:14.260 No pouts. 00:51:14.260 --> 00:51:16.269 But to be like, disclaimer, I fish 00:51:16.269 --> 00:51:18.029 with other the guys and it's like 20 minutes of 00:51:18.029 --> 00:51:19.520 pouting cause I got one. 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:19.980 Yeah. 00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:21.020 That's hilarious. 00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:23.025 I'm just going to say it comes from 00:51:23.445 --> 00:51:25.635 actual observations that I've had. 00:51:26.055 --> 00:51:26.325 Yeah. 00:51:26.565 --> 00:51:26.895 Right. 00:51:26.895 --> 00:51:28.815 And so we'd go and it was just fun and 00:51:28.815 --> 00:51:31.365 it was different and we're like, Oh my God. 00:51:31.365 --> 00:51:33.045 Like, I wish that everybody 00:51:33.045 --> 00:51:33.975 could, all like. 00:51:33.975 --> 00:51:34.085 Experience that. 00:51:34.085 --> 00:51:36.135 Our female anglers could have this. 00:51:36.135 --> 00:51:39.445 Like, we're so lucky that we had the, kind of 00:51:39.445 --> 00:51:40.725 that relationship built. 00:51:40.904 --> 00:51:41.294 Right. 00:51:41.294 --> 00:51:41.854 From them. 00:51:41.854 --> 00:51:45.270 But we were just so excited about that 00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:46.140 and it was cool. 00:51:46.140 --> 00:51:48.180 And then we've, that's grown since then. 00:51:48.180 --> 00:51:49.490 That was, that was a while ago now. 00:51:49.490 --> 00:51:51.510 How long ago was that? 00:51:51.510 --> 00:51:52.640 Five years. 00:51:53.910 --> 00:51:54.750 Almost. 00:51:54.810 --> 00:51:55.590 At least almost. 00:51:55.590 --> 00:51:57.000 Five years this summer, I guess. 00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.070 Cause Dimitri and I, it was the first summer 00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:00.560 Dimitri and I were together, I think. 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:00.990 Yeah. 00:52:00.990 --> 00:52:01.510 Something like that. 00:52:01.510 --> 00:52:02.130 So right, right away. 00:52:02.130 --> 00:52:04.820 You guys decided, Hey, we click, this is awesome. 00:52:05.420 --> 00:52:06.490 Let's get others into this? 00:52:06.990 --> 00:52:08.960 Or did it take a while? 00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:09.790 It took a while. 00:52:09.790 --> 00:52:12.259 Well, I think I brought the idea up with you one 00:52:12.259 --> 00:52:14.180 day when we were driving back from the river. 00:52:15.465 --> 00:52:16.095 It's like, Hey. 00:52:16.155 --> 00:52:16.395 Yeah. 00:52:16.425 --> 00:52:17.965 And then you said it and I was like, hey I was 00:52:18.115 --> 00:52:20.295 thinking the same thing because it was weird. 00:52:20.295 --> 00:52:22.755 And we just had this kind of, we were kind of on 00:52:22.755 --> 00:52:23.895 the same page of that. 00:52:23.895 --> 00:52:25.275 And it's funny, cause we always talk about 00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:27.435 being on the same page, but yeah, you 00:52:27.435 --> 00:52:29.165 just you're like, Hey, I was kinda thinking 00:52:29.165 --> 00:52:31.265 that, you know, and. 00:52:31.265 --> 00:52:32.825 With the two shops. 00:52:32.855 --> 00:52:33.185 Yeah. 00:52:33.185 --> 00:52:34.365 We both our shop's. 00:52:34.385 --> 00:52:36.005 There's more and more ladies coming 00:52:36.005 --> 00:52:37.055 into the shops. 00:52:37.055 --> 00:52:39.515 We just wanted to create this little, like. 00:52:40.245 --> 00:52:41.414 We kind of wanted to recreate. 00:52:41.414 --> 00:52:41.904 Community. 00:52:41.934 --> 00:52:44.894 For other people kind of what we felt. 00:52:45.124 --> 00:52:48.935 And there's a lot of women's groups, women's 00:52:48.935 --> 00:52:50.794 fly fishing groups in the States and I 00:52:50.794 --> 00:52:52.984 feel like Canada's really behind on that. 00:52:53.585 --> 00:52:57.075 So yeah, we just wanted to try it out 00:52:57.075 --> 00:52:58.165 and start one here. 00:52:58.215 --> 00:52:59.515 There's tons in the states. 00:52:59.515 --> 00:53:01.924 So how many people belong to the fly fishing group? 00:53:02.194 --> 00:53:04.924 So what, it's two and a half years old now. 00:53:04.924 --> 00:53:05.225 Okay. 00:53:05.475 --> 00:53:08.424 And we've got over 650 now. 00:53:08.774 --> 00:53:10.055 650? 00:53:10.055 --> 00:53:11.354 That's on our facebook group. 00:53:11.754 --> 00:53:12.104 Just BC. 00:53:12.144 --> 00:53:12.204 Yeah. 00:53:12.244 --> 00:53:12.374 Wow. 00:53:12.374 --> 00:53:13.625 Well, yeah, I think the Facebook groups 00:53:13.654 --> 00:53:16.294 I checked the other day, it was like 640. 00:53:16.384 --> 00:53:17.984 Although a bunch of people joined the 00:53:17.984 --> 00:53:20.225 other night after your zoom thing. 00:53:20.255 --> 00:53:22.355 Yeah it's grown quite a lot. 00:53:22.355 --> 00:53:24.990 And I think too, It's just kind of 00:53:24.990 --> 00:53:25.710 having that access. 00:53:25.710 --> 00:53:27.390 I mean, Facebook, I think is a great forum 00:53:27.390 --> 00:53:29.250 for you can participate as much or as little 00:53:29.250 --> 00:53:31.200 as you want, but it's still, it's still 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:31.860 right there for you. 00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:34.700 It's free and it's easy to join. 00:53:34.700 --> 00:53:35.690 Easy to find. 00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:37.340 We have a base, I'll explain it. 00:53:37.340 --> 00:53:41.410 We have a closed group page on Facebook. 00:53:41.720 --> 00:53:43.490 BC Women's Fly Fishing group, if you want to 00:53:43.490 --> 00:53:45.770 look it up, feel free, but it's closed right? 00:53:45.770 --> 00:53:47.855 So you have to ask to join. 00:53:47.885 --> 00:53:51.215 So we kind of weed out all the fake accounts 00:53:51.215 --> 00:53:53.405 or guys, but there's definitely been some 00:53:53.465 --> 00:53:54.545 guys trying to join. 00:53:54.575 --> 00:53:55.305 Seriously, you find that? 00:53:55.305 --> 00:53:55.645 Yeah. 00:53:55.645 --> 00:53:55.965 Oh yeah. 00:53:56.455 --> 00:53:56.625 Wow. 00:53:56.655 --> 00:53:59.825 But we just want to have like a safe place for 00:53:59.855 --> 00:54:02.705 women to ask questions and you know, I'm going 00:54:02.705 --> 00:54:04.415 fishing this weekend, anybody want to come 00:54:04.415 --> 00:54:06.365 along and we just don't want to have any 00:54:06.605 --> 00:54:09.125 creeps on there, if you know what I mean. 00:54:09.155 --> 00:54:11.670 There's no like snarkiness or 00:54:11.670 --> 00:54:12.750 meanness or anything. 00:54:12.750 --> 00:54:15.420 I won't name the names of the groups on 00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:18.210 Facebook, but there's a few different groups 00:54:18.210 --> 00:54:21.900 on Facebook for hunting and fishing and there, 00:54:22.630 --> 00:54:27.549 there's just so much attitude and you get. 00:54:27.549 --> 00:54:28.180 Ego. 00:54:28.230 --> 00:54:28.890 Yeah, totally. 00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:30.420 If you don't know what you're doing, 00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:31.320 you get ego. 00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.690 If you ask, like heaven forbid, you're one of 00:54:33.690 --> 00:54:35.430 these guys that's new to hunting and says, 00:54:35.640 --> 00:54:38.600 Hey, I'm going up to region eight, you 00:54:38.600 --> 00:54:41.010 know, where's a good spot to get whatever. 00:54:41.190 --> 00:54:42.180 You can't ask that. 00:54:42.570 --> 00:54:46.515 Your group, it's a given, if you have a 00:54:46.515 --> 00:54:47.565 question, just ask it. 00:54:47.685 --> 00:54:47.985 Yeah. 00:54:48.065 --> 00:54:48.275 Yeah. 00:54:48.275 --> 00:54:49.745 I think that's so important. 00:54:49.745 --> 00:54:53.285 Everyone's so polite and nice and encouraging. 00:54:53.645 --> 00:54:54.065 I don't know. 00:54:54.674 --> 00:54:56.315 I, yeah, I don't know what it is. 00:54:56.585 --> 00:54:58.145 I think that comes from that. 00:54:58.145 --> 00:55:00.665 We've kind of fostered that because it be, 00:55:00.695 --> 00:55:02.975 because we come from the shop, we know that those 00:55:02.975 --> 00:55:03.904 questions are out there. 00:55:03.935 --> 00:55:05.315 Don't be scared to ask that question, 00:55:05.315 --> 00:55:07.085 but we also want the space to be there. 00:55:07.205 --> 00:55:07.445 Yeah. 00:55:08.234 --> 00:55:08.535 Hmm. 00:55:08.865 --> 00:55:09.134 Yeah. 00:55:09.194 --> 00:55:10.815 People to feel comfortable asking 00:55:10.815 --> 00:55:11.565 those questions. 00:55:11.565 --> 00:55:13.004 It's easy, it should be easy. 00:55:13.214 --> 00:55:14.654 And when you do ask those questions, you 00:55:14.654 --> 00:55:17.025 know what you're going to get legit responses. 00:55:17.265 --> 00:55:19.335 So you've got the Facebook group, but you 00:55:19.335 --> 00:55:20.805 guys also do zoom calls. 00:55:21.075 --> 00:55:23.585 Gill started that basically with COVID. 00:55:23.645 --> 00:55:24.185 Yes. 00:55:24.215 --> 00:55:26.965 Cause we used to do a couple of years ago. 00:55:27.055 --> 00:55:27.905 We used to do so much! 00:55:27.905 --> 00:55:28.745 Yeah, I know, it's so sad. 00:55:29.265 --> 00:55:33.065 We used to do like fly tying nights every. 00:55:33.065 --> 00:55:33.365 Trips. 00:55:33.505 --> 00:55:34.455 Month almost. 00:55:34.455 --> 00:55:34.965 Casting lessons. 00:55:34.965 --> 00:55:36.035 At the shop, in person. 00:55:37.255 --> 00:55:41.485 We did some like big seminars at Cabela's with 00:55:41.785 --> 00:55:43.465 some special speakers. 00:55:43.805 --> 00:55:44.665 Everything in person. 00:55:44.665 --> 00:55:46.345 We had some like introduction to fly 00:55:46.345 --> 00:55:49.405 fishing courses in person, but with COVID 00:55:49.405 --> 00:55:51.685 we haven't been able to meet up in groups. 00:55:52.015 --> 00:55:54.025 Mind you, it's kind of a good and bad 00:55:54.025 --> 00:55:57.944 thing because doing the stuff in person, 00:55:58.595 --> 00:56:01.065 it is a BC women's fly fishing groups. 00:56:01.075 --> 00:56:04.160 So there's people from all over the province, 00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:06.300 the Kootenays, Prince George, Smithers, blah, 00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:07.220 blah, you name it. 00:56:07.550 --> 00:56:10.830 So having those in-person courses 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:12.830 only select people. 00:56:13.459 --> 00:56:13.950 Pretty tough. 00:56:13.950 --> 00:56:14.109 Yeah! 00:56:14.390 --> 00:56:16.610 I mean, mind you, we have a great group of ladies 00:56:16.610 --> 00:56:18.800 in the lower mainland that are super active in 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.470 the group and love coming to our courses and that. 00:56:21.830 --> 00:56:24.959 But the zoom courses definitely opened up 00:56:24.959 --> 00:56:28.620 to having those other women able to join, which 00:56:28.620 --> 00:56:30.060 was really cool I find. 00:56:30.120 --> 00:56:31.320 So do they have to pay to join? 00:56:31.529 --> 00:56:31.800 Nope. 00:56:32.100 --> 00:56:32.400 Free. 00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:32.930 All free? 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:34.880 You know, I thought about, and this is 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:35.750 actually interesting. 00:56:35.750 --> 00:56:38.840 Cause on Saturday night we did that zoom call 00:56:38.990 --> 00:56:43.220 and I was talking to Sarah Simpson who has 00:56:43.220 --> 00:56:45.710 the Western Outdoors Women Facebook group too. 00:56:45.710 --> 00:56:48.830 And they're in Salmon Arm. 00:56:49.299 --> 00:56:49.490 Okay. 00:56:49.580 --> 00:56:51.470 And she does it and I was talking to her 00:56:51.470 --> 00:56:52.819 and we were just kind of conversing on a 00:56:52.819 --> 00:56:53.600 couple of things too. 00:56:53.600 --> 00:56:55.390 And she was under kind of the same thought. 00:56:55.450 --> 00:56:57.350 And we've talked about it, cause people say, 00:56:57.379 --> 00:56:59.670 Oh, you know, maybe you should charge and stuff. 00:56:59.670 --> 00:57:01.020 Membership fees, yeah. 00:57:01.180 --> 00:57:02.600 You know, we will charge, like if we do 00:57:02.600 --> 00:57:04.580 a casting lesson or something like that. 00:57:04.580 --> 00:57:05.720 Yeah, not everything is free. 00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:05.799 Yeah. 00:57:05.799 --> 00:57:06.649 Or a. 00:57:06.689 --> 00:57:06.850 Sure. 00:57:06.930 --> 00:57:08.670 Like our in-person fly tying nights 00:57:08.670 --> 00:57:10.230 where materials were required and stuff, 00:57:10.230 --> 00:57:12.240 there was a charge just to cover the materials 00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:12.830 essentially and. 00:57:12.830 --> 00:57:12.920 But. 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:13.320 That makes sense. 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.360 It's super affordable. 00:57:14.529 --> 00:57:15.090 For sure. 00:57:15.460 --> 00:57:17.700 But the zoom calls and stuff, I think we did, 00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:19.470 we still want it to be on a format where it 00:57:19.470 --> 00:57:22.009 was, it was accessible to everyone because 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.935 even if there's a charge on a membership, it 00:57:25.935 --> 00:57:29.095 still puts a bit of a boarder to some people. 00:57:29.265 --> 00:57:29.685 Sure. 00:57:29.805 --> 00:57:31.875 The fundamental thing is it's supposed to 00:57:31.875 --> 00:57:34.615 be a safe space they can ask questions and 00:57:34.615 --> 00:57:36.314 there's no judgment. 00:57:36.825 --> 00:57:38.085 You know, there should not be judgment. 00:57:38.085 --> 00:57:39.315 And this also comes from us, both 00:57:39.315 --> 00:57:40.185 working in shops. 00:57:40.515 --> 00:57:42.265 I've been a girl, you know, I. 00:57:42.265 --> 00:57:43.195 How long have you been a girl for? 00:57:43.385 --> 00:57:44.725 A long time! 00:57:45.294 --> 00:57:45.825 Most your life. 00:57:45.825 --> 00:57:46.595 Since the beginning. 00:57:46.595 --> 00:57:48.335 Pretty much my entire life. 00:57:49.145 --> 00:57:50.495 But anyways, I've been a girl that 00:57:50.495 --> 00:57:53.115 works in the shop for, you know, 15 years. 00:57:53.785 --> 00:57:54.555 I get it. 00:57:54.904 --> 00:57:56.870 Like I've, you know, I. 00:57:57.299 --> 00:57:58.500 Talk about judgment. 00:57:58.529 --> 00:58:00.660 My dad owns the shop, I've worked there 00:58:00.660 --> 00:58:03.180 since I was 15, without doing the math, that's 00:58:03.180 --> 00:58:04.440 like 16 years for me. 00:58:04.710 --> 00:58:08.460 But I've had people that have walked in and have 00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:09.690 refused to talk to me. 00:58:10.350 --> 00:58:10.890 Same. 00:58:11.040 --> 00:58:11.549 Really? 00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:13.319 And you know what, like, okay. 00:58:13.319 --> 00:58:13.990 Still happens. 00:58:13.990 --> 00:58:17.680 Sure, whatever, but you know what, like this 00:58:17.680 --> 00:58:21.565 is not a side job for me, this is my job. 00:58:21.775 --> 00:58:22.085 This is. 00:58:22.085 --> 00:58:22.575 This is your life. 00:58:22.595 --> 00:58:24.555 Catherine's full time job. 00:58:24.734 --> 00:58:26.895 This is not a side hobby for us. 00:58:26.944 --> 00:58:27.205 Totally. 00:58:27.205 --> 00:58:31.345 I do this, I spend hours out on the water, so 00:58:31.694 --> 00:58:34.455 don't walk in and talk to the 14 year old kid 00:58:34.455 --> 00:58:35.444 that works at my shop. 00:58:35.444 --> 00:58:35.944 That's the funniest ever. 00:58:35.944 --> 00:58:37.714 Because he's a male, that's been fishing 00:58:37.714 --> 00:58:38.994 for a year and a half. 00:58:39.704 --> 00:58:42.404 You know what, if they want to, go ahead. 00:58:42.554 --> 00:58:43.044 Yeah, no problem. 00:58:43.104 --> 00:58:44.720 Yeah, and when he can't answer your question 00:58:44.720 --> 00:58:47.459 and turns to me I will gladly help you. 00:58:48.769 --> 00:58:52.190 And it's not about being a female or not, 00:58:52.190 --> 00:58:54.319 but it just it still annoys me that we, 00:58:54.319 --> 00:58:55.100 you still get that. 00:58:55.100 --> 00:58:57.650 So I don't want anyone to feel like that cause 00:58:57.650 --> 00:58:59.640 I guess I felt like that, on the daily. 00:58:59.660 --> 00:59:01.120 She gets felt like that on the daily. 00:59:01.120 --> 00:59:04.815 So I don't want people, I want you to come in and I 00:59:04.815 --> 00:59:07.095 want you to come into our group and ask a question 00:59:07.305 --> 00:59:09.345 and feel confident asking that question. 00:59:09.995 --> 00:59:10.415 Nice. 00:59:10.475 --> 00:59:10.654 Yeah. 00:59:11.315 --> 00:59:11.884 I like it. 00:59:12.275 --> 00:59:13.265 That's accessibility. 00:59:13.565 --> 00:59:14.015 Yes. 00:59:14.045 --> 00:59:14.315 Yeah. 00:59:14.525 --> 00:59:17.045 And you said something earlier that you 00:59:17.045 --> 00:59:18.785 touched on, which is really interesting. 00:59:18.785 --> 00:59:20.615 I think it ties into this, but you brought up 00:59:20.615 --> 00:59:23.734 the word mentorship and you said, you know, if 00:59:23.734 --> 00:59:25.384 you go out there, you've got a good mentor to show 00:59:25.384 --> 00:59:26.495 you, show you the ropes. 00:59:26.970 --> 00:59:28.590 So many people don't have that. 00:59:28.620 --> 00:59:29.040 Yeah. 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.920 So another thing I guess we didn't really chat 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.590 about, but we do a lot where we try to do a 00:59:34.590 --> 00:59:39.240 lot of trips day trips and we do our best to 00:59:39.240 --> 00:59:41.970 have either Gill and I, or both of us there. 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:47.040 So the cool thing about that is like, we have 00:59:47.040 --> 00:59:50.360 a lot of women in the group that, they might 00:59:50.385 --> 00:59:52.575 not fish unless they come on one of our 00:59:52.575 --> 00:59:55.245 trips and they come on those trips because 00:59:55.245 --> 00:59:57.645 they feel comfortable going on a guided trip. 00:59:57.795 --> 01:00:00.725 The guide, yes is a male, but one of us, 01:00:01.285 --> 01:00:03.615 they know either Gill or I through the shop 01:00:03.615 --> 01:00:04.425 or through the group. 01:00:04.665 --> 01:00:06.135 And they feel comfortable going with 01:00:06.135 --> 01:00:09.945 a group of strangers essentially because 01:00:09.945 --> 01:00:10.995 they know one of us. 01:00:11.395 --> 01:00:14.535 Whereas, it is intimidating booking 01:00:14.535 --> 01:00:16.215 a trip, not knowing a single person 01:00:16.215 --> 01:00:16.935 going on that trip. 01:00:16.965 --> 01:00:19.555 I mean, you came on one of our trips this fall. 01:00:19.755 --> 01:00:21.735 You didn't know anybody, mind you, Gill and I 01:00:21.735 --> 01:00:23.775 weren't there on those ones, unfortunately, but. 01:00:23.805 --> 01:00:24.615 I did know the guide though. 01:00:24.615 --> 01:00:25.555 You didn't know the guide. 01:00:25.575 --> 01:00:25.905 Yeah. 01:00:26.155 --> 01:00:28.515 Pat was one of your guides at Skeena Spey. 01:00:28.575 --> 01:00:30.895 So it was less intimidating. 01:00:30.895 --> 01:00:32.935 It is less intimidating when, you know at least 01:00:32.935 --> 01:00:33.845 one of the people right. 01:00:33.845 --> 01:00:36.825 And I never, I never would have thought, hey, 01:00:36.965 --> 01:00:39.915 Trav, I'm gonna spend Sunday up in Squamish. 01:00:39.915 --> 01:00:40.305 I'm gonna go fishing. 01:00:40.305 --> 01:00:41.295 Bunch of strangers. 01:00:41.355 --> 01:00:43.695 I'm going to hire a guide and go out fishing 01:00:43.695 --> 01:00:44.865 for whatever right. 01:00:44.865 --> 01:00:46.425 Like it just, I would never have done it, but 01:00:47.135 --> 01:00:49.005 you guys coordinatde the whole thing 01:00:49.035 --> 01:00:50.745 and it was amazing. 01:00:50.745 --> 01:00:52.635 It was like one of the best days of the year. 01:00:52.635 --> 01:00:54.435 It was so much fun. 01:00:54.555 --> 01:00:55.785 And I didn't like, like you said, I 01:00:55.785 --> 01:00:56.415 didn't know anyone. 01:00:56.595 --> 01:00:56.725 Yeah. 01:00:57.185 --> 01:00:58.335 It was just awesome. 01:00:58.545 --> 01:00:58.965 Awesome. 01:00:59.315 --> 01:00:59.795 Really enjoyed it. 01:00:59.825 --> 01:01:01.535 We have just as much fun. 01:01:01.625 --> 01:01:04.925 Like I love our women's group trips, honestly. 01:01:04.925 --> 01:01:07.055 It's, they're so much fun. 01:01:07.055 --> 01:01:10.655 I look forward to those more than anything we do. 01:01:10.655 --> 01:01:11.645 We try to do. 01:01:12.305 --> 01:01:13.115 A decent amount. 01:01:13.115 --> 01:01:16.535 I mean, we usually do a few in the spring up the 01:01:16.535 --> 01:01:19.774 Lillooet with Curtis and those are my favorite. 01:01:19.805 --> 01:01:20.524 Oh my God. 01:01:20.555 --> 01:01:24.515 We booked two boats and it's like 10 ladies 01:01:24.515 --> 01:01:26.764 and jet boats going up the, you know. 01:01:26.764 --> 01:01:26.934 Ooo. 01:01:26.964 --> 01:01:29.165 Across Harrison Lake up the Lillooet. 01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:31.220 Catching trout left, right and center. 01:01:31.460 --> 01:01:33.690 And it's so much fun. 01:01:33.740 --> 01:01:38.220 We, it's just been like the best two years. 01:01:38.290 --> 01:01:39.250 It's so much fun. 01:01:39.250 --> 01:01:41.530 And the cool thing is like, we're making tons 01:01:41.530 --> 01:01:42.400 of friends from it. 01:01:42.460 --> 01:01:45.790 And I feel like a fishing buddy matchmaker 01:01:45.790 --> 01:01:46.450 a lot of the times. 01:01:46.450 --> 01:01:49.200 Yes, 100%. 01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:50.650 Friends that come out of it. 01:01:50.650 --> 01:01:52.450 Like there's people in our group that are 01:01:52.450 --> 01:01:55.250 like best friends now because of this group 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:56.660 and it's so cool. 01:01:56.720 --> 01:01:59.569 And they've found fishing themselves. 01:01:59.569 --> 01:02:00.419 It's amazing. 01:02:00.470 --> 01:02:01.220 I love it. 01:02:01.310 --> 01:02:02.069 I love it. 01:02:02.069 --> 01:02:04.129 It, it makes me like, that's probably like 01:02:04.129 --> 01:02:05.810 the best part of it is when you see people and 01:02:05.810 --> 01:02:07.100 they're like, Oh, we went fishing the other day 01:02:07.100 --> 01:02:08.240 and you're like, so cool. 01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:09.580 We've done our job. 01:02:10.390 --> 01:02:14.979 But I think too, like I sometimes, I feel like 01:02:15.470 --> 01:02:18.240 both of our families grew up fishing and stuff. 01:02:18.240 --> 01:02:19.970 So that was always available to us. 01:02:19.970 --> 01:02:21.589 Not everybody has that, right. 01:02:21.770 --> 01:02:25.250 Not everybody has a dad or a family, or a mom or 01:02:25.250 --> 01:02:27.200 a boyfriend or a husband. 01:02:27.230 --> 01:02:27.800 Absolutely. 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.830 Or you know, a grand parent that got 01:02:30.830 --> 01:02:31.400 them into fishing. 01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:32.480 Some people just generally want to 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.700 get into it, but I couldn't imagine trying 01:02:34.700 --> 01:02:35.660 to jump in nowadays. 01:02:35.660 --> 01:02:36.240 Oh my god. 01:02:36.240 --> 01:02:37.930 It'd be scary as heck, right. 01:02:38.150 --> 01:02:40.694 So I got to ask, for the other 50% 01:02:40.904 --> 01:02:41.714 of our listeners. 01:02:42.375 --> 01:02:43.725 Do you guys have a counterpart? 01:02:44.345 --> 01:02:47.464 Oh, I mean, there's certain clubs in the 01:02:47.464 --> 01:02:50.134 lower mainland, guy, you know, there's what 01:02:50.134 --> 01:02:52.395 the Totems, the Ospreys. 01:02:52.395 --> 01:02:53.585 Yeah, North Shore Fish and Game Club. 01:02:53.615 --> 01:02:55.475 There's different games, clubs out there for sure. 01:02:55.535 --> 01:02:57.125 A lot of them are, they're not 01:02:57.125 --> 01:02:58.564 as easy to join. 01:02:58.564 --> 01:03:01.504 You gotta be whatever certain level. 01:03:01.714 --> 01:03:02.134 I don't know. 01:03:02.194 --> 01:03:05.925 I find the guys aren't as open to having 01:03:05.985 --> 01:03:07.345 random strangers join. 01:03:07.365 --> 01:03:08.595 I don't know it's not the same. 01:03:08.595 --> 01:03:11.475 I find they're not as encouraging and I 01:03:11.475 --> 01:03:11.835 don't want to bash. 01:03:11.835 --> 01:03:13.035 Yeah, that's why you started your group. 01:03:13.155 --> 01:03:13.935 Yeah. 01:03:14.295 --> 01:03:16.015 It's different when you're a woman. 01:03:16.015 --> 01:03:16.475 It's different. 01:03:16.755 --> 01:03:17.535 That's such an odd. 01:03:17.835 --> 01:03:21.385 I feel so mean saying that. 01:03:21.385 --> 01:03:22.015 That's such a great question. 01:03:22.015 --> 01:03:23.925 I'm trying to like, think of an example and there's 01:03:23.925 --> 01:03:25.795 not really something that parallel's. 01:03:25.795 --> 01:03:27.075 Cause there's a lot of guys out there 01:03:27.075 --> 01:03:29.225 that'll want to learn in the exact same way. 01:03:29.285 --> 01:03:29.375 Yeah. 01:03:29.675 --> 01:03:31.445 It's a lot more competitive. 01:03:31.585 --> 01:03:31.795 Sure. 01:03:31.795 --> 01:03:32.435 For the guys. 01:03:32.495 --> 01:03:32.995 Not all. 01:03:33.045 --> 01:03:33.535 Yeah, not all. 01:03:33.535 --> 01:03:33.785 Not all. 01:03:33.785 --> 01:03:35.165 And there's a ton out there that just, they 01:03:35.165 --> 01:03:36.845 want to learn in the same fashion, but. 01:03:36.935 --> 01:03:37.715 Absolutely. 01:03:37.775 --> 01:03:40.415 So one thing we have like kind of thought about is. 01:03:40.540 --> 01:03:43.840 To do more like co-ed trips or couples trips. 01:03:44.560 --> 01:03:46.330 So that might be something down the 01:03:46.330 --> 01:03:48.730 road, but it would be cool to have a 01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:51.975 similar guys group. 01:03:52.154 --> 01:03:53.475 I mean, there's a few out there. 01:03:53.475 --> 01:03:56.174 There's like Stillwaters that Facebook page, 01:03:56.384 --> 01:03:57.645 that thing's great. 01:03:57.944 --> 01:03:58.665 No, I think. 01:03:58.665 --> 01:03:59.595 But there is. 01:03:59.595 --> 01:04:01.904 It might not be as pronounced and it might 01:04:01.904 --> 01:04:04.694 not be as defined as an individual group, 01:04:04.694 --> 01:04:05.805 but I think there is. 01:04:06.245 --> 01:04:06.694 Yeah. 01:04:06.694 --> 01:04:08.874 Is that, when you say stillwaters, that's 01:04:08.874 --> 01:04:09.995 not the store sports. 01:04:09.995 --> 01:04:10.545 No not the shop. 01:04:10.545 --> 01:04:10.634 Yeah. 01:04:10.634 --> 01:04:12.225 There's like a Facebook page. 01:04:12.225 --> 01:04:15.095 It's super, they're super friendly on there. 01:04:15.095 --> 01:04:17.075 Any questions you have about lake fishing. 01:04:17.245 --> 01:04:17.944 There you go guys. 01:04:17.944 --> 01:04:20.620 Brent Gill, I think is the one that runs it. 01:04:21.830 --> 01:04:26.570 Anyway great group, but it's super open. 01:04:26.570 --> 01:04:28.620 It's co-ed it's not just guys obviously. 01:04:28.620 --> 01:04:28.860 Sure. 01:04:29.110 --> 01:04:31.970 But there's I think like thousands of guys 01:04:31.970 --> 01:04:34.010 on there now there's a lot, it's a big group. 01:04:34.040 --> 01:04:34.130 Yeah. 01:04:34.510 --> 01:04:34.910 Yeah. 01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.300 I think actually, just to go into that, because 01:04:37.300 --> 01:04:39.250 you kind of touched on that a little bit is as 01:04:39.250 --> 01:04:42.160 we talk about like new anglers too, I think I 01:04:42.160 --> 01:04:44.299 feel, a little bit as a disclaimer, I have 01:04:44.299 --> 01:04:47.419 to say this and we get really, really caught 01:04:47.419 --> 01:04:50.839 up nowadays in the media and portraying 01:04:50.839 --> 01:04:51.919 yourself as being good. 01:04:52.220 --> 01:04:53.359 And I think something that we've always 01:04:53.359 --> 01:04:55.009 talked about in the group as well is, 01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:56.629 it's okay to be new. 01:04:56.985 --> 01:04:57.705 It's okay. 01:04:57.775 --> 01:04:58.145 It's okay. 01:04:58.145 --> 01:04:59.045 It's so okay to be new. 01:04:59.045 --> 01:05:00.375 It's so okay it's not even funny. 01:05:01.125 --> 01:05:01.915 It's okay to suck. 01:05:01.915 --> 01:05:02.265 It's okay to suck. 01:05:02.265 --> 01:05:02.695 Cause that's how you learn. 01:05:02.695 --> 01:05:04.785 I sucked so bad today on the river, 01:05:04.785 --> 01:05:05.774 it's not even funny. 01:05:05.774 --> 01:05:07.895 Honestly though that is so important because 01:05:07.895 --> 01:05:10.295 everybody now, and it's just the climate 01:05:10.295 --> 01:05:11.105 that we live in. 01:05:11.134 --> 01:05:11.555 Okay. 01:05:11.555 --> 01:05:12.965 Social media, it's it's in your 01:05:12.965 --> 01:05:14.285 face all the time. 01:05:14.810 --> 01:05:15.260 It's all. 01:05:15.260 --> 01:05:16.340 Well everyone rocks on social media. 01:05:16.370 --> 01:05:16.790 Of course. 01:05:16.820 --> 01:05:20.049 Everyone's a rockstar. 01:05:20.140 --> 01:05:21.700 Live your best life. 01:05:21.700 --> 01:05:23.560 But, but it it's okay to be new. 01:05:23.560 --> 01:05:25.690 And I think that's really important to talk about 01:05:25.690 --> 01:05:28.000 because you get a lot of people and they get 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.310 so wound up about like, Oh my gosh, I have to 01:05:30.310 --> 01:05:32.230 be able to prove to everybody that I'm good. 01:05:32.600 --> 01:05:35.620 We have to remember to learn the process 01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:38.580 to love the process of learning again. 01:05:38.700 --> 01:05:39.180 I like that. 01:05:39.830 --> 01:05:40.140 Because. 01:05:40.140 --> 01:05:41.700 That's the cool thing about fishing you're 01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:43.060 constantly learning. 01:05:43.060 --> 01:05:43.860 You never know 01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:44.940 everything and I'm sure it's the 01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:45.540 same with hunting. 01:05:45.540 --> 01:05:47.220 I mean, I don't dive into the hunting world, 01:05:47.220 --> 01:05:48.950 but I'm sure it's the same with hunting right? 01:05:48.950 --> 01:05:49.310 Always. 01:05:49.340 --> 01:05:50.670 You don't know everything. 01:05:50.670 --> 01:05:54.640 And we have to remember to learn to lov .That 01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:55.610 process of learning. 01:05:55.610 --> 01:05:55.960 Absolutely. 01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:58.560 And it's fun and it's okay. 01:05:58.590 --> 01:06:00.180 You know what, if you went out and you didn't 01:06:00.180 --> 01:06:01.050 get anything today. 01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:01.740 Oh my gosh. 01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:02.550 That's fine. 01:06:02.650 --> 01:06:02.970 That's fine. 01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:05.190 It's so fine. 01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:06.500 That's what I love about fly fishing 01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:09.440 is because I very rarely catch anything. 01:06:09.710 --> 01:06:11.390 SO it's really taught me to be like, 01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:14.630 chill out on the expectations of success. 01:06:14.630 --> 01:06:16.250 And I don't need to bring, especially 01:06:16.250 --> 01:06:17.030 catch and release. 01:06:17.030 --> 01:06:19.365 It's like, I'm not bringing home any fish 01:06:19.365 --> 01:06:20.275 meat at all tonight. 01:06:20.275 --> 01:06:21.265 Doesn't even matter. 01:06:21.365 --> 01:06:22.415 It's like I'm going to go, I'm going to 01:06:22.415 --> 01:06:24.335 practice my cast and it's going to be calm. 01:06:24.335 --> 01:06:27.275 It's like it's the most relaxing, meditative 01:06:27.305 --> 01:06:29.075 experience I've ever had in my life. 01:06:29.615 --> 01:06:31.595 I am completely addicted to it. 01:06:32.174 --> 01:06:33.845 I just, I love it so much. 01:06:33.875 --> 01:06:35.884 And it's so against everything that I've 01:06:35.944 --> 01:06:39.000 ever been like super excited about, because 01:06:39.870 --> 01:06:43.050 I suck at it and I very rarely catch anything. 01:06:43.050 --> 01:06:45.669 But when I do, it's just awesome, but it's not. 01:06:45.669 --> 01:06:46.129 It's that much better. 01:06:46.129 --> 01:06:47.990 Yeah, but it's not like why I'm out 01:06:47.990 --> 01:06:48.300 there doing it. 01:06:48.300 --> 01:06:50.150 No, but you also know that feeling when 01:06:50.150 --> 01:06:51.720 you make a really nice looking cast. 01:06:51.720 --> 01:06:53.240 Oh it's the best, I love it. 01:06:53.240 --> 01:06:55.310 So, you have to learn to love that process. 01:06:55.310 --> 01:06:56.390 And that's what it's about. 01:06:56.420 --> 01:06:58.430 It's not about like, you know, getting that 01:06:58.430 --> 01:07:00.140 pictures that you can post it so that you 01:07:00.140 --> 01:07:01.850 can be like, look, how many likes I got? 01:07:01.850 --> 01:07:04.029 It's like, Hey, look, I made this really 01:07:04.029 --> 01:07:05.500 great cast and I feel really good about 01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:07.480 myself today because I laid out a 70 foot 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:08.589 cast and I feel great. 01:07:08.850 --> 01:07:12.240 Plus most of my friends wouldn't care if they saw 01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:14.240 an awesome cast I did. 01:07:14.299 --> 01:07:18.089 No, but I think that's where we have to shift. 01:07:18.210 --> 01:07:19.360 That importance too. 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.330 And I, it doesn't matter if it's angling 01:07:21.330 --> 01:07:23.310 or fly fishing or whatever, it's like, 01:07:23.310 --> 01:07:24.240 we have to shift that. 01:07:24.240 --> 01:07:26.260 And so talking just to, you know, the new, the 01:07:26.330 --> 01:07:29.730 100% group, not just the 50% talking to the 01:07:29.730 --> 01:07:31.950 100% group, like let's talk about learning. 01:07:31.950 --> 01:07:33.170 And I think that's what it is group. 01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:35.030 Especially we try and like ask questions, 01:07:35.030 --> 01:07:36.140 please ask questions. 01:07:36.935 --> 01:07:39.755 We, or whoever else here is expert, because 01:07:39.755 --> 01:07:40.925 there's certainly lots of other girls in our 01:07:40.925 --> 01:07:42.965 group that are very experienced as well. 01:07:42.965 --> 01:07:44.795 Like let other people help you. 01:07:44.795 --> 01:07:45.965 And like, it's okay. 01:07:45.965 --> 01:07:47.255 I've lots of questions. 01:07:47.615 --> 01:07:50.045 I don't know anything about hunting, but you 01:07:50.045 --> 01:07:51.335 know, if I'm going to get into it, I'm going to go 01:07:51.345 --> 01:07:52.445 ask somebody that knows. 01:07:52.445 --> 01:07:53.134 And I don't care. 01:07:53.255 --> 01:07:56.015 It's hard to learn if you think you already 01:07:56.015 --> 01:07:56.765 know everything. 01:07:56.825 --> 01:07:57.455 Absolutely. 01:07:57.634 --> 01:08:00.480 I think that's like the biggest thing about 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:04.620 this group, is that there is no, like you 01:08:04.620 --> 01:08:07.440 guys don't act like you know everything. 01:08:07.620 --> 01:08:09.810 I'm not not saying that you act like you 01:08:09.810 --> 01:08:12.220 don't know anything, but not at all. 01:08:12.220 --> 01:08:14.190 Like, I'm always amazed at how much I'm like, Oh 01:08:14.190 --> 01:08:16.590 my God, I can't believe how much there is to 01:08:16.590 --> 01:08:19.680 know how much you guys do know, but you don't act 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:20.430 like you know everything. 01:08:20.430 --> 01:08:24.359 Whereas I find sometimes dealing with other shops 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:27.420 or people or, not to say guys in general, 01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:31.140 but just other people, like you have to have 01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:32.790 an answer and you guys don't act like that. 01:08:32.790 --> 01:08:34.890 And the group's not about always having an answer. 01:08:35.220 --> 01:08:35.960 I mean, you do but. 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:36.180 Yeah. 01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:37.290 It's okay to say I don't know. 01:08:37.320 --> 01:08:37.530 Yeah. 01:08:37.650 --> 01:08:37.920 Yeah. 01:08:38.340 --> 01:08:39.570 I can look into it and find out later. 01:08:39.650 --> 01:08:41.430 Yeah, that's an absolutely another 01:08:41.430 --> 01:08:42.690 thing, if I don't know, I'm going to be 01:08:42.690 --> 01:08:43.260 like, I don't know. 01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:44.670 Let me, let me, let me figure out 01:08:44.670 --> 01:08:45.360 the answer for you. 01:08:45.360 --> 01:08:47.100 I might have to get back to you, but I'll 01:08:47.130 --> 01:08:47.870 figure it out an answer. 01:08:47.870 --> 01:08:49.610 And the cool thing about the group too, 01:08:49.610 --> 01:08:52.250 is there are so many amazing women on there. 01:08:52.370 --> 01:08:52.960 If I don't know. 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:53.290 100%. 01:08:53.290 --> 01:08:55.340 The answer, if it's some crazy like 01:08:55.850 --> 01:08:59.825 entomology thing or fish ID thing, there's 01:09:00.335 --> 01:09:03.365 amazing biologists that work for DFO that 01:09:03.365 --> 01:09:04.085 are part of the group. 01:09:04.085 --> 01:09:06.215 And you're like, Oh, well, Katie can answer 01:09:06.215 --> 01:09:08.015 or so-and-so can answer. 01:09:08.015 --> 01:09:10.325 Or, you know, maybe she knows, I don't 01:09:10.325 --> 01:09:11.045 know everything. 01:09:11.064 --> 01:09:11.335 Actually. 01:09:11.335 --> 01:09:13.555 I just asked Katie today if she would do a 01:09:13.585 --> 01:09:17.944 presentation again on, she just got her master's 01:09:17.965 --> 01:09:19.335 degree last year. 01:09:19.365 --> 01:09:21.194 So we're going to get to. 01:09:21.194 --> 01:09:23.145 There's a few, there's quite a few biologists 01:09:23.145 --> 01:09:23.965 actually in the group. 01:09:23.965 --> 01:09:24.215 Yeah. 01:09:24.285 --> 01:09:26.245 So this is going to be an upcoming possible 01:09:26.245 --> 01:09:27.125 zoom presentation? 01:09:27.745 --> 01:09:28.604 She did one in the spring. 01:09:28.604 --> 01:09:29.404 Katie, you're committed. 01:09:29.404 --> 01:09:29.705 Yeah. 01:09:29.705 --> 01:09:31.005 Sorry, Katie you're in. 01:09:31.605 --> 01:09:33.015 I did talk to her today, so she knows 01:09:33.015 --> 01:09:34.945 what's coming. 01:09:35.415 --> 01:09:38.290 But yeah, so we try and do that, but yeah 01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.090 we know we certainly don't know everything, 01:09:41.090 --> 01:09:42.980 but we just want to be able to facilitate. 01:09:43.010 --> 01:09:43.370 Yeah. 01:09:43.420 --> 01:09:45.490 Some answers, whether it comes from 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.970 elsewhere, that's fine. 01:09:47.150 --> 01:09:47.840 Absolutely. 01:09:48.020 --> 01:09:48.350 Yeah. 01:09:48.490 --> 01:09:50.110 Well, is there anything else that we should 01:09:50.110 --> 01:09:50.950 be talking about? 01:09:51.130 --> 01:09:52.840 Cause I'm looking at the time here and I 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:55.000 think best practices for a podcast and they 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.060 say we've gone over it, but that's okay. 01:09:58.150 --> 01:09:59.290 This is very interesting. 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:00.970 Is there anything else we should be talking about? 01:10:01.890 --> 01:10:03.900 Do we got to get some plugs in for your shops? 01:10:04.290 --> 01:10:05.240 Any specials coming up? 01:10:05.940 --> 01:10:06.330 Oo. 01:10:06.670 --> 01:10:07.650 Ahh, put you on the spot. 01:10:07.700 --> 01:10:08.809 Boxing day's over. 01:10:08.809 --> 01:10:14.059 So we don't really have valentine's day sales. 01:10:14.579 --> 01:10:15.399 No, no. 01:10:15.709 --> 01:10:16.189 We could, we could. 01:10:16.189 --> 01:10:17.079 You could say, you could say. 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:17.589 Totally should! 01:10:17.650 --> 01:10:20.150 You could say you got your, your lady angler 01:10:20.150 --> 01:10:22.620 in your life that really wants to get into fly 01:10:22.620 --> 01:10:24.469 fishing or gear fishing, depending where you're 01:10:24.469 --> 01:10:26.480 at, you know, go and buy gold and buy them 01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:27.019 a rod theyre really. 01:10:27.019 --> 01:10:28.759 You know what your lady really wants. 01:10:29.599 --> 01:10:30.299 A fly rod. 01:10:30.299 --> 01:10:31.865 Yeah, she says she wants flowers, but 01:10:31.865 --> 01:10:34.035 I guarantee you, she really wants a new fly 01:10:34.035 --> 01:10:39.945 rod so, better get it. 01:10:40.005 --> 01:10:40.465 You heard it here. 01:10:40.465 --> 01:10:40.735 No, I think. 01:10:40.735 --> 01:10:43.015 Who needs jewelry on their fingers when 01:10:43.015 --> 01:10:45.355 they can have jewelry on their rungs. 01:10:46.715 --> 01:10:47.515 Absolutely. 01:10:48.010 --> 01:10:51.760 I don't know, just, we need to be more positive 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.590 and we just need to all be more supportive of 01:10:53.590 --> 01:10:55.780 you, whether you're a guy, girl, however you 01:10:55.780 --> 01:10:58.580 go, like just let's keep it positive. 01:10:58.600 --> 01:10:58.870 Yeah. 01:10:59.099 --> 01:10:59.770 I like it. 01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:03.450 Thank you very much for taking the time to 01:11:03.450 --> 01:11:05.520 come and speak on The Silvercore Podcast. 01:11:05.550 --> 01:11:07.200 I have a funny feeling. 01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.580 There might be follow up podcasts. 01:11:09.769 --> 01:11:12.150 Well this is really fun. 01:11:12.150 --> 01:11:12.769 Thanks for hanging out. 01:11:12.769 --> 01:11:13.287 This has been so mcuh fun. 01:11:13.287 --> 01:11:14.000 You guys are awesome. 01:11:14.120 --> 01:11:14.390 Yeah. 01:11:16.610 --> 01:11:19.100 Tonight I'm joined by Catherine Laflamme. 01:11:20.620 --> 01:11:26.810 Did I say that right? 01:11:26.810 --> 01:11:27.560 No, you didn't. 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:28.120 You said it like laphlegm. 01:11:28.150 --> 01:11:28.400 Ekk. 01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:28.480 See. 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.910 You're saying it like it's phlegm. 01:11:30.460 --> 01:11:31.920 It's Laflamme. 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:32.560 Laflamme. 01:11:32.620 --> 01:11:33.060 Sorry. 01:11:33.090 --> 01:11:35.170 We'll try this one again. 01:11:36.785 --> 01:11:38.105 And we met through a mutual friend, 01:11:38.105 --> 01:11:39.815 April Vokey of Anchored Outdoors. 01:11:40.085 --> 01:11:40.825 Welcome Cat. 01:11:41.465 --> 01:11:41.805 Hi! 01:11:43.635 --> 01:11:43.805 Sorry. 01:11:43.805 --> 01:11:47.394 Hey, that's quite alright, not a problem. 01:11:47.394 --> 01:11:49.535 I'm still laughing about the phlegm. 01:11:50.385 --> 01:11:51.264 Okay, okay. 01:11:51.325 --> 01:11:51.755 Serious. 01:11:52.225 --> 01:11:53.135 No problem. 01:11:54.434 --> 01:11:56.815 You know, and uh, I, I'll, oh. 01:11:56.974 --> 01:11:58.794 It's okay, you don't need those. 01:12:00.954 --> 01:12:01.865 Your heads too small. 01:12:01.865 --> 01:12:06.205 I have a really small head and I have 01:12:06.205 --> 01:12:14.815 really small ears.