The Intersection with Dr. J + Friends


In this episode, Dr. J talks with Dr. Michael Wittmer—pastor, professor of theology, and professional taker-of-fun-seriously—about the big question few Christians say out loud: Can I serve Jesus and still enjoy my life? (Spoiler: Yes. And you should.)


Pulling from his book Becoming Worldly Saints, Wittmer challenges the tired assumption that “holy” and “enjoyment” are mutually exclusive. Together, he and Justin dive into the tensions many believers feel between heaven and earth, calling and career, joy and guilt, grilled meat and spiritual disciplines. You know—the usual.


With theological depth and just enough irreverence to keep things interesting, they explore why our desire for good food, real friendships, and laughs isn’t a distraction from faith—it might actually be part of it. They take aim at Gnostic and legalistic tendencies in church culture, offer a few needed corrections to pop spirituality, and make a solid case for living fully human, not just ‘spiritually sanitized.’


If you’ve ever felt guilty for loving your life—or confused about how your weekday existence fits into God’s big plan—this one’s for you. Come for the theology, stay for the common sense. And maybe laugh once or twice along the way.



What is The Intersection with Dr. J + Friends?

Intersections are high-traffic areas, with people coming from and heading in all sorts of directions. While intersections are places of potential collision and calamity, they are also the very places where we can find direction and learn where to go. The Intersection is a podcast where faith engages the complexities of our modern world. Though intersections sometimes feel risky, they are where real dialogue happens, they are where we find direction and discover where to go next.