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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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the Bible Guys. My name is
Chris and I'm Quinn, and we today

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are the Bible Guys because Jeff is
out and by the way, last week

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I was out, which is two
weeks in a row where you're gonna only

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get one of us. But however, this week is kind of fun because

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I have Quinn today and somebody different
tomorrow, and then I think you're coming

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back on what Thursday? Be back
on Thursday? Yeah, And so that's

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fun. We're gonna bounce around.
And these are staff members of the church

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that we work out, which is
Heritage Church. Yeah. Yeah, pretty

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cool. And I'm the new guy, so that'll be fun. Yeah.

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And you've been on staff at Heritage
how long since the end of February,

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so about three and a half months. Format And what do you do?

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I'm the Connections Director. I oversee
HC groups, our connect classes, our

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connect Growth Serve share class one on
one, two one three oh one,

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four oh one. I also oversee
young adults and a lot of our connect

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events that we do like sisterhood.
Yeah, and if anybody does not attend

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Heritage, they're boared out of their
mind. And that explanation right, So

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what does that mean? Yeah?
What does that even mean? Sorry about

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that, fellas. Hey, listen, we have been given a show sheet

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from Desiree and today's all about Joseph
forgiving his brothers after his father passes away.

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So in light of that, she
decided to pose a question that has

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nothing to do with the topic.
So here it is. It is Quinn

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is the new guy on campus.
So here's today's question. If the office

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meeting our workplace we're a reality TV
show, which cast member would you be?

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The comic relief, the drama queen, or the undercover boss. Which

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cast member would I be? If
our office here at Heritage was a TV

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show? Which role would you play? Oh? I could play them all.

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I'm a man of many hats.
The drama queen, probably not,

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the comedy relief probably most of the
time. I've always been a funny guy.

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We have this argument, this friendly
disagreement in my family of who's the

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funniest. I think it's the two
year old, but my wife thinks it's

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her. I think it's I think
it's me. The seven year old thinks

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it's him, but probably the comedy. Really, now, you're a pretty

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funny guy. Wait a minute,
you think it's you, You think it's

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you, but nobody else thinks it's
you. That's probably a good sign right

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there. You know, he does
some pretty wild things. He bounces back

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a lot quicker, and I can't
run into walls anymore like he does.

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Okay, yeah, well that's true. You're a little bit older, little

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bit, so you should you be? The comic relief is what you think?

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So yeah, okay, all right, you know what, I don't

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really know what I would be.
In the past. I could have done

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comic relief. I could probably still
do that today. Drama queen, I

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don't think so. I mean,
I mean, yeah, I've been a

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part of drama before. But but
there are drama queens. I think as

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a person who revels in drama,
right, they're always around drama. That's

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definitely not me. I avoided at
all costs. And then but I would.

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I would definitely like to say I
love the idea of undercover Boss,

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So I'm gonna cheo that one,
even if it's not true that was a

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great show. Yeah, it was
a great show. But like the idea

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that like, I think I've done
that before. I remember one time I

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was hired at a really big church
down the street and I was one of

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their pastors, and nobody on the
staff knew it. And I was checking

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my kids into, you know,
into the kids program, and I was

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giving the worker a hard time and
then saying some inside information, and the

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entire time I just never told them
that I was the new pastor and staff.

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Right, So I did that.
I loved it. And so I

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think I'd like to walk around undercover
and see how that would be fun.

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The office really is I think I
could do that. Yeah, that'd be

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great. I read a story one
time about a pastor and you probably read

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this on the internet, where a
pastor dressed up like a homeless man.

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Yes, do you remember that.
I saw how people he sat outside on

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his first Sunday, saw how people
treated him right, yes, as they

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were coming. Yes. That.
And then and then he walked in from

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the back door. And then he
walked straight down the middle aisle and then

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get up and said, hey,
my name is so, and so I'm

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read new pastor. And then actually
talked about the good and the bad,

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experienced who was kind to him and
who even look at him. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
pretty amazing. So that's then undercover Boss

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Pastor right there. You wouldn't be
that, You wouldn't want to be that

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one person who was like, you
know, rude to the homeless person.

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And then that you're slumping in your
seat as the pastor gets up right right

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right, yeah, be kind to
people. Here you go. Point of

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the day. Yeah, okay.
So, by the way, that reminds

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me of the scene from Liar Liar
with Jim Carrey where he can't tell why,

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and the guy says, can you
spare some spare change? And he

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says yes, and then he walks
faster and he says, will you give

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to me? And he goes no, and he goes why. He goes

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because I believe you will buy booze
with it. I just want to get

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from my car to work without being
confronted by the Western decay of society just

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airing it all out on the Bible. That's a terrible, terrible scene.

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Okay, So hey, we're gonna
move on because we are continuing. Actually

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we're wrapping up our last uh,
sort of segment of Joseph's story. Joseph

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story, you know, covers a
big chunk of Genesis. Yeah, we're

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finishing Genesis today. Yeah. Yeah, we're finishing and wrapping up all Genesis,

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finishing with Joseph. And just as
a recap before Quinn reads the verses,

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is that, you know, Joseph
started out, you know, one

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of the youngest, actually he was
the youngest at the time of his brothers.

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He had a dream that his brothers
and his mother and his father would

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bow down to him. His brothers
got jealous and they sold him in a

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slavery, and they were going to
kill him, but they sold him in

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a slavery. He goes down to
Egypt. He finds favor with the guard

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in prison. Everything that he touched
prospered. God was with him. He

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was faithful. Eventually he makes it
to Pharaoh's or not Pharaoh, but the

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governor Potiphar. And he was under
Potiphar's rule, and he had so much

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favor that Potiphar made him first in
command in his house, second in command

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under him. And then he got
wrongfully accused. He get thrown in jail

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forgotten for years. You know,
he had an incident with a acre and

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a cupbearer, and then finally,
after years, seven years just being forgotten

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and abandoned in prison, the pharaoh
has a dream and the cup bearer remembers

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one time, years ago, there
was this guy in prison, so they

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called for Joseph. He interprets Pharaoh's
dream, and to everyone's delight, you

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know, he makes Joseph, and
especially to Joseph's delight, he makes them

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second in command of all of Egypt. They go through seven years of plenty

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seven years of famine, and finally
his brothers come before him and bow down,

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and then and eventually there's a I
mean, there's just a whole,

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big, long story. And then
Joseph finally reveals himself to his brothers.

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And he had the position, he
was in the position to kill them or

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to punish them at least right,
but he didn't, but or at least

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turn them away and say no,
I'm not going to help you there for

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food. Yeah, he could have
done anything, right, but instead he

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showed them with grace and kindness and
mercy. And then he moved the Jacob

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down to to Egypt, and so
all of the nation is now sort of

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transferred from Israel down to Egypt.
And this is by the way where we

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see you know, eventually, hundreds
of years later the nation of Israel is

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going to grow in Egypt and then
they're going to eventually get enslaved and Moses

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is going to have to deliver them. But anyway, for right now,

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Jacob blesses Pharaoh. We didn't read
that, but that's in there. We're

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skipping over that part, but he
blesses Pharaoh, and Jacob basically lives out

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his days. But then Jacob passes
away, and this is where we pick

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up today. Yep. So let's
read Genesis fifty, starting in verse fourteen.

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After burying Jacob, Joseph returned to
Egypt with his brothers and all who

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had accompanied him to his father's burial. But now that their father was dead,

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joseph brothers became fearful. Now Joseph
will show his anger and pay us

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back for all the wrong we did
to him, they said. So they

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sent this message to Joseph before your
father died, us to say to you,

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please forgive your brothers for the great
wrong they did to you, for

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their sin entreating you so cruelly.
So we the servants of the God of

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your father beg you to forgive our
sin. When Joseph received the message,

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he broke down and wept. Then
his brothers came and threw themselves down before

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Joseph. Look, we are your
slaves, they said. But Joseph replied,

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don't be afraid of me. Am
I God that I can punish you.

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You intended to harm me, but
God intended it all for good.

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He brought me to this position so
I could save the lives of many people.

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No, don't be afraid. I
will continue to take care of you

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and your children. So he reassured
them by speaking kindly to them. Wow.

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Yeah, and these are people that
were trying to kill him years earlier.

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Oh yeah, for sure. And
they just realized, you know,

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Joseph wouldn't harm them for the sake
of you know, his father, That's

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what they were thinking. And then
now the father's gone, they're like,

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Joseph is now free because Dad's gone
on there's nobody to protect us. And

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yeah, so Joseph actually extends forgiveness
twice, doesn't he. Yeah, I

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mean it's peppered all throughout Joseph's story. You know, he forgives his brothers

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I'm assuming he forgives Potiphar. He
probably forgives the guy the cupbearer who says

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he's going to come get him out
of prison after he in herberts the dream,

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and he doesn't. And so Joseph's
story is just peppered with forgiveness,

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even in a few verses few chapters
earlier. In verse in chapter forty five,

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it says, don't be upset,
don't be angry with yourselves for selling

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me into slavery. It was God
who sent me to you. And then

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in verse fifteen, then Joseph kissed
his brothers and wept over them, and

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then he began talking freely. That's
when he first revealed himself. So even

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a few chapters earlier, he's forgiven
them. So he already in his heart

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forgave them. So they're thinking,
oh, maybe maybe something else came up,

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or maybe he's going to treat us
the way we would treat him.

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But he's saying, I already forgave
a few chapters earlier. I don't have

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to do that again, which I
just think is so cool. You know,

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something has always bothered me about story
of Joseph. I'm just confessing here,

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and that is the man doesn't seem
to have any weakness whatsoever. He

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seems like an unattainable person to me. And a lot of the Old a

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lot of the Old Testament characters,
they're very human. Right, So we

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know Noah screws up big time.
We know David screws up big time.

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And only that. But not only
did David sin big time, but David

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even wrestles with his own emotions.
You know, David gets angry with God,

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he gets frustrated, he worries about
his enemies. You know, he

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expresses all of his humanness on paper. You know, it's recorded in scripture,

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and Joseph shows no sign of weakness
whatsoever. And I don't know,

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to be honest with you, I'm
just confessing here. But I don't know

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if it's because you know, Genesis
tell us his story in such broad strokes

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that like it doesn't really allow time
to dig into the nuances of Joseph's feelings

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because it really doesn't talk about you
know, Joseph was frustrated, he was

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alone. He you know, he
tried to be patient, He pottered these

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things in his heart, Like it
gives no indication whatsoever about how he's feeling

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the only thing we at least I
think this is true. I'm pretty sure

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this is true. The only indication
that we're given are the things that he

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says right, right, and he
says the perfect thing every time. Well,

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I think if you had to nitpick
right at the very beginning when he

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tells his dreams, it could almost
come off a little prideful, like you're

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gonna bow down. Oh yeah,
you're right in front of me, and

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the dad gets upset, and then
that's it. That's the last time you

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hear something negative about Joseph. And
then he has to grow up real fast,

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being in the pit, being sold
to slavery, being wrongfully done by

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Potiphar, and then in the prison, and he ends up serving so well

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and loving so well in the prison
that they elevate him. And so I

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mean, yeah, I mean almost
perfect right. Yeah. Well, you

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know, I know that I've heard
sermons about Joseph my whole life, and

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well, my whole Christian life,
and I've definitely heard that angle, which

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is, you know, bragging,
prideful things like that. But here's what's

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interesting. I'm not normally a person
to give somebody the benefit of the doubt.

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You know, like Jeff always gives
the benefit of doubt to the Pharisees,

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and I'm like, no, the
Pharisees were terrible, right, But

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with Joseph, it never says.
It never says he was prideful or boasting

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or bragging. So could it be
and I'm just throwing this out there,

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Devil's advocate, right or hey,
hang on, Angel's advocate. I'm gonna

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do Angel's advocate? Okay? I
like, yeah, So could it be

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that Joseph was just seventeen years old
and he just didn't know any better?

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Right? So maybe he didn't really
know that, Joseph, this isn't something

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you should do. You should not
you know, tell this dream because they're

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gonna get jealous. Yeah, you
know, he wore his Code of many

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Colors. I didn't know that was
going to tack him off, that was

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going to frustrate it. That was
ultimately the thing that set him over the

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late. So could it be that
we all get to heaven and we're all

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wrong. Maybe maybe he wasn't prideful
at all. Maybe he was young and

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maybe just a kid who didn't know
what he was doing. Yeah, right,

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Like when he wore his Code of
many colors. I've heard sermons that

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said, oh, he walked around
flaunting that code. It doesn't say that.

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It just says he wore it.
And the thing that it does say

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is it says that Joseph was Jacob's
favorite. So the fault lies in Jacob,

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right, the favoritism, the coda, minic colors, the babying.

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Right that that that's the indication of
the scriptures. But it never says that

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Joseph had any pride at all.
And again, do I believe he was

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probably prideful, probably because any person
who's baby like that and favored like that,

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I mean, it'd be a miracle
if he wasn't. And we know

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he's not perfect, right, Jesus
was the only one who was perfect,

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so there had to be something wrong
with him. But you're right, it's

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amazing how he was able to forgive. He was able to serve God through

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it all, and I think forgiveness
this is a great topic for me because

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this is something I've struggled with.
I've never really been a hot head.

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I've never been addicted to drugs.
I've never wanted to put my fist through

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a wall. So I've got friends
who struggle with things that I don't,

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but forgiveness is something I've struggled with
a lot over the years. When I

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was eight years old, my mom
left. My mom and dad got a

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divorce, and mom left and my
truck driver dad had to figure out how

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to raise me and my two little
sisters. And so when I started struggling,

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and I didn't see my mom for
a few years, and I ended

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up getting older and forgiving her.
Now she's a Christian and we're friends,

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which is great, But there was
a few years where I really hated my

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mom and I struggled with hatred and
I struggled with forgiveness, and I blamed

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my mom for all the things I
was going through, for the drinking,

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for the porn addiction, for the
overeating, for all these things in my

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life. I'm like, well,
it's my mom's fault. She never would

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have left. And you don't see
any of that with Joseph