{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":5.44,"endTime":10.21,"body":"Welcome to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I interview"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":10.21,"endTime":13.93,"body":"various instructional designers to figure out what it is instructional"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":13.93,"endTime":14.83,"body":"designers do."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":15.61,"endTime":17.59,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":18.22,"endTime":20.32,"body":"If you or someone you know would like to be"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":20.32,"endTime":24.67,"body":"a guest on Demystifying Instructional Design, please complete the be"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":24.67,"endTime":29.53,"body":"my guest form available on Demystifying Instructional Design dot com."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":30.19,"endTime":33.46,"body":"I'm particularly looking for guests who do not work in"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":33.46,"endTime":34.33,"body":"higher education."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":34.9,"endTime":38.26,"body":"If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe or leave a"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":38.26,"endTime":41.68,"body":"comment in the show notes blog post and consider helping"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":41.68,"endTime":44.74,"body":"to support this podcast with a donation to my Patreon"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":44.74,"endTime":45.22,"body":"account."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":46.51,"endTime":47.26,"body":"Welcome, Janet."},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":47.26,"endTime":51.1,"body":"To Demystifying Instructional Design to begin with, can you start"},{"speaker":"Rebecca","startTime":51.1,"endTime":52.33,"body":"telling us about yourself?"},{"speaker":"Janet","startTime":52.78,"endTime":54.19,"body":"Thank you so much for having me."},{"speaker":"Janet","startTime":54.22,"endTime":56.68,"body":"My name is Janet 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