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With the recent federal election
come and gone, I'm getting a lot

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of people asking, what does this
mean for gun owners in Canada?

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That's the purpose of this episode.

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I've sat down with Daniel Fritter of
Caliber Magazine and we detail some of

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the thoughts of what we've been hearing.

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We also recorded a 40 minute
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for Silver Court Club members.

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Now, let's get on with this episode.

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Well, today's guest needs no introduction.

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My friend Daniel Fritter, caliber Magazine
is back again to share his ever eloquent

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thoughts post-election and, uh, figured he
and I would just sit down and chat about,

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uh, the state of the industry where we
see things going, and, um, go from there.

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Dan, thanks so much for coming back.

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Hey, happy to be here.

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I may not be quite as eloquent as, as
always through this cold medicine induced

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haze that I'm currently in with this
sinus infection, but, uh, I'll try.

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Well, good for you for
braven it out and being here.

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I know.

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Uh, yeah, that's never fun.

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You were planning to be here yesterday
and, uh, just couldn't do it.

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Uh, heavy meds now.

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So, uh, we'll just play it from there.

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Yep.

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So, uh, we had a, uh, an election
didn't go the way I figured it would go.

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Uh, I don't know about you if you
predicted it going in that direction.

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I had a feeling, um, from when
Kearney won, the polls did flip pretty

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rapidly, and generally speaking,
Canada's pollsters are pretty accurate.

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So I was kind of operating under
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necessarily going to go the way we want.

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I did have some hope that there might
have been a surprise outcome, um, that

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surprised the pollsters and whatnot,
largely on the back of the millennial

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vote, uh, it's a huge voting block.

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It's the biggest one in Canada.

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They had been polling pretty consistently
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supportive of the conservatives,
but they're also a demographic that

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historically does not show up to
vote like twice as many boomers

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vote, as do young people typically.

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So it was gonna be a case of
the ability to get the vote out.

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And then of course, as the
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winding down phases of it, we see.

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Poly have going to places like Alberta
where, you know, as a conservative,

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you, you kind of should think those
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your time there in the last week.

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Um, but that was a pretty clear
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seeing internally was the same as
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So, um, yeah, good point.

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Not the, not the result we wanted.

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Certainly surprising, to be honest, the
makeup is maximum chaos in terms of what

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the House of Commons looks like right now.

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Um, and with Kearney saying that
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with the NDP, that he wants
everyone to kind of work together.

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I'm not sure how, what the, what this is
gonna look like in the House of Commons.

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And then of course, you know, I will say
the big surprise was Polly of not winning

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his own seat was a bit of a shocker.

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It's gonna be very interesting to see
how he manages to figure that out.

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'cause he is currently the leader
of the Conservative party, but he

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cannot be the official leader of the
opposition without a, without a seat.

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Uh, which presents some unique issues.

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So we learned earlier today, Andrew Shear
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Interim.

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Well, PEV seeks the by-election over
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you ever wanted to see a conservative
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it's like 80% conservative voters.

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It's like, I think it was like 40,000
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and like two people voted liberal.

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So it's, it's about the safest
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Uh, but it will be
interesting to navigate.

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So it'll be interesting to see
how, how that party reacts to it.

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Well, look, you know, you're way
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I am, but from, from my standpoint,
I wasn't trusting the polls.

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And I don't know if I'm too stuck in
the wrong algorithm on, uh, social

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media or whatever it might be, but
the, uh, it looked like there was some

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Tom Foolery going on in the polls.

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Maybe there wasn't.

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It looked like there's some Tom Foolery
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other candidates that put their name in.

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The longest ballot initiative.

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It's this really stupid protest
group that thinks the best way to get

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electoral reform is to have a ballot
with like a metric ton of people on it.

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So the thing is like literally as
long as your arm, and it's kind

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of like this is just a waste of
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is a uniquely stupid protest effort.

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Like even, I don't care what your
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methodology of protesting anything,
it's like gluing your hand to a road.

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It's just, this is no, you're
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You're not making an argument.

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I mean, if anything, if you're trying
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you hand people ballots that are
three feet long, like this is where

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elections happen, what you really
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electing someone as painful as possible.

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That's, it makes no sense.

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I think though.

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What everyone forgets in that
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with the writing redistribution.

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'cause his writing also changed, right?

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And absorbed an area that
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But that area, although it had voted
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broadly supportive of conservatives it.

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So it's like, yes, the long ballot
was annoying and it's a fun thing to

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talk about, but enough people frowned.

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Bruce Fanjoy name.

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Sure.

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So Sure.

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It's not like, you know, it's not like
people were confused by these long bowels.

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They're just a pain in the ass
for all the electoral workers.

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'cause you gotta fold it up
like 16 times to fit in the box.

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So it's not really a huge deal.

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I think, you know, Fanjoy had been
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Hard, hard, like knocking on doors
and that's what wins elections.

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That's why before the election when
I was saying, you gotta go volunteer.

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'cause that's what actually wins
elections is, you know, the mere

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presence of someone at your doorstep.

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Even if you don't agree with their
politics, that they took the step to

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come to your house, knock on your door.

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'cause the only way a politician
can really get ahold of you in a,

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in a catchment zone, um, that moves
the needle in a very real way.

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'cause people go, oh, he, he
cares enough to come to my house.

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He cared to talk about what were the
issues and stuff and, and especially

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when it's the candidate, when it's
a volunteer doing it on behalf of

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a party, you're really just doing
what's called Get Out the Vote.

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So for those that don't know, this is
gonna be a very quick little segment.

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If you volunteer for a party on election
day or beforehand, and you're doing

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what's called door knocking, which is
the, where everyone starts out, basically

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you go to a bunch of people's houses
and you say, how do you plan to vote?

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And if they say conservative,
you go, okay, tick box.

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And you know their name and
their address because of the

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census data and elections Canada.

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Then on elections, when the election
happens, we don't know how people vote,

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but parties do know who has voted.

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So if it says, well, Daniel Fritters, he,
we knocked on his door three months ago.

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We knocked on his door
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Both times he said he was
gonna vote conservative.

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We got this sheet from the polling
place, which they do every hour,

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and every hour goes by and they
go, well, we haven't seen, we

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haven't seen Dan Fritter vote yet.

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Then they'll call you
and they'll say, Hey Dan.

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We, we noticed, you haven't
voted yet, could we?

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Do you want a ride?

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How can we get you to do this?

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But when it's the candidate and he's
doing it for two or three years and

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he's asking, what are your issues?

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That's gonna convince a lot of people.

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Like there will be people who are
motivated to get out and vote.

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So I think, I think Fanjoy did somewhat
ironically what the Ford family has

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done in Ontario of just connected
with people in a way that worked.

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Um, and I think like most of us,
there's probably some truth in the

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notion that Paulo took it for granted.

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I could see that.

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I mean, the way the polls were looking
previously, it was, it was gonna be

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a blue wave, it was gonna be just
a landslide for the conservatives.

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Even our local, um, candidate here
had lunch with him, chatted with

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him, and I mean, he says, you know,
you don't, you don't count it until

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it's hatched and all the rest.

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But there was a real strong sense that
everybody knew where it was going and then

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it didn't and he didn't get his position.

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And I think that that notion of almost,
I dunno if I should, I mean almost

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maybe it's the correct word, but like
almost a sense of entitlement that

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historically things have lined up.

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You know, Canadians elect
governments a couple times,

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three times, 10 years, basically.

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Then they get rid of the old guy.

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It's never a vote for the next one.

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It's always, we wanna get rid
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run outta patients with them.

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The polls had been swung to a massive,
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between the conservatives and liberals.

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It had been years of saying, we just want
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'cause we knew the outcome.

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Everyone, like under Trudeau, we, the
outcome and polls since have shown that

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if Trudeau had not stepped down, the
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what the polls look like in December
with a massive conservative majority.

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But I think there was a sense within
the conservative party, and I don't know

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this because I don't work with them, like
to be honest, but from watching it, the

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sense was a certain degree of entitlement
of not adapting, not understanding

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that the conditions had changed.

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The ballot box question
for a lot of Canadians had

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shifted towards Donald Trump.

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Um, and I didn't see any
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conservative party initially.

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And moreover, what really frustrated
me, kind of more so was that what

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I had seen from Pier P earlier on
in his career as leader, going back

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to three years, four years, he was.

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He, he was presenting a far different
image and option than he seemed to

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during the campaign, during the election.

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'cause I remember Pierre Pev doing
videos, talking about wood in his

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house wearing flannel, which was very,
it was dumb 'cause I don't go around

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and stroke the beams of a house.

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But to a degree it was, it was more
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than a guy with slicked back hair, walking
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same things into the same microphones,
taking four questions from, at any given

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event, barring the media from the tour,
like this was, on one hand he won the

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leadership of the conservative party.

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Kind of being the approachable
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than during the election campaign.

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It was like he turned into
this like, well, we're not

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gonna let media on the plane.

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We're not gonna take questions
from, you know, we're gonna kind

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of denigrate journalists, like
we're gonna keep them outside.

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Like, little things like if you're
trying to win over a country to win an

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election, the media is a great tool.

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Sure.

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Podcasts and new media
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But again, boomers who vote the
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CB, C, and they read their news.

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If you keep those journalists outside
in the cold in a pen, like literally a

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little steel fenced in thing, and you
say, you guys gotta stay out here and you

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can ask four questions, and we're gonna
choose who gets to ask the questions,

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and it's probably not gonna be you.

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Well, you've just pissed off a bunch
of people with platforms like it,

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it doesn't, it doesn't make sense.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, and I think that's where I do get
very tired of the fact that it, 'cause I,

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I won't say Carney was a whole lot better.

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Mm. Um.

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But we need politicians that
realize they're supposed

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to be winning people over.

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You know, it's not this static.

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I am me and you'll vote for me.

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If you like me, it should be,
I'm trying to win you over.

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Um mm-hmm.

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And I didn't see that very much
from the campaign, so it was,

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it was honestly one of the most
disappointing elections I've ever seen.

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It was interesting objectively to watch,
but disappointing from the perspective

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of, um, not the outcome, which I
think what most people are probably

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thinking, when I say disappointing,
I mean the campaigns sucked, period.

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Mm. Like Mark Kearney brings in an
anti-gun lobbyist to run for him.

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Typically, lobbyists are not the
sort of people that you want to

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be politicians because mm-hmm.

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Newsflash, they used to
lobby the government, then

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they become the government.

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Mm-hmm.

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There's a whole lot of room for
conflict there, and it's kind

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of, uh, it's just improper.

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On the other hand, I was looking at
the conservative campaign, and this

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is where like al kind of rant a bit.

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They had two years to prepare for this.

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They were saying, we want an
election, we want an election.

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We want an election.

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Then they finally get one and they're
left scrambling for candidates.

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They're turfing out popular candidates
and parachuting in other people,

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which just pisses everyone off.

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They're, their campaign
platform is abbreviated.

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It's, it's not well researched.

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It's not well acknowledged.

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And you kinda go like, what did, what
have you spent the last two years doing?

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Like you can't just run on,
we're gonna scrap the carbon tax.

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Okay, well that's one thing.

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What are you gonna do with
healthcare house price?

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All of these key issues.

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And there was no a disappointing campaign
'cause no one presented any bold options.

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We're going into an election with huge
crisis level issues like food pricing.

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I. And not a single candidate stepped
up and said, Hey, you know what?

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Maybe if we stopped supply
management and flushing milk down

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the drain, food could get cheaper.

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No one even bothered.

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It was just, no, we gotta, we
gotta protect those Quebec votes.

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We gotta keep supply management,
you know, well, oh, we're facing

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a potential invasion from America.

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Here's A-T-F-S-A top-up like this
is, they're trying to sell us on

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this existential fear that our,
we're gonna lose our sovereignty

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and, and no one offers anything
better than, you know, well, I guess

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we'll, we'll hire like a thousand
CBSA officers or something, maybe.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, no one even bothers to mention,
we'll fix procurement because like, I

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guess they just have all given up on that.

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But like, there's just no bold ideas
on offer from any of the parties.

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Like it all just kind of seemed
like, you know, if the needle

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is right here, you vote one way.

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It'll go that way.

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It'll.

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You know, there was nothing.

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It was just very lame.

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And I think that's, that's also, I
think partly why the conservatives lost.

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I think they didn't, they didn't
do enough to win people's votes.

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I think they needed to do more, you know,
yeah, we are going to cancel the gun bans

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'cause it's a waste of $5 billion and
then we're gonna take that $5 billion that

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would've gone to the gun ban and we're
gonna spend it on mental health instead,

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we're gonna build seven new hospitals
and cross, you know, do something

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like, tell us what you're gonna build.

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So the, this idea of fear-based politics
has been spotlight in media recently.

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And I mean the liberal campaign
was fear-based politics as well.

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We've gotta watch out 'cause
Trump's gonna take over.

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And what, why would it work for them in
this one and, and not the conservatives?

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And how do we shift that perspective?

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I think, I don't know if the, this
is where it gets tricky in politics.

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'cause yet it's really easy to ascribe
victories and losses to individual things

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like fear-based politics or demographics.

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When in reality, it's always
a combination of things.

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And I think at the end of the day,
this election was decided by the older

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demographic that showed up to vote in
big numbers, in very safe areas that

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the liberals were pretty established in.

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And the fact that

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neither of them put out what I would call
a building style plan, like none of none

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of 'em said, here's what we're gonna do.

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This is gonna be some
massive stuff we're gonna do.

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It was all fear based.

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But the difference was that when
someone who has the resume of

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Mark Carney is running a machine
to make you afraid, his resume.

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Is a powerful tool for his team to
then lean on and go, look, we are

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facing some seriously scary moments.

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Look at this guy.

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He's done all of these impressive things,
so he's probably going to be capable

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of handling this stuff in the future.

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Whereas Paul Ev legitimately has, you
know, graduated, became a politician

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as the, which is a valid skill and
something that I think, again, if

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the conservatives had been a little
bit more bold and simply said, what

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we need right now is a politician.

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We need someone who has experience in
the House of Commons and knows how to

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work with people from all parties that
has lots of experience with this stuff.

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That wouldn't have been a bad
thing, because politician is one

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of those few jobs that you can
only get experienced by doing it.

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There's no training
school for it or anything.

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Right?

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Mm-hmm.

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They could have done that and said, you
know, this guy's an investment banker.

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He's been a bureaucrat his whole life.

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Like, he doesn't, he doesn't know
how to make parties work together.

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He doesn't know how to hold the balance of
power together and keep a country going.

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Like it's, it's very, it's like they
tried to out Carney Carney, hence

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why the suit thing bothered me.

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'cause I really felt like that was like
a physical manifestation of them being

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like, well, we're gonna dress you up.

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So you look like an investment
banker that used to work at

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Goldman Sachs and, but he's not.

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Got it.

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Got it.

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He should have been that guy from that
Calgary Street that was raised by two

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teachers, is what he should have been.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, but I think it was just that in
a, in, in a crisis, a people will

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generally vote for the incumbent.

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That's a known thing.

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Uh, the 2021 election during mid covid is
a great example of that, where it's just,

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people just go, they just hunker down.

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They don't wanna change anything.

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You know, the world's scary enough.

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More change is scarier.

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Yeah.

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The second thing is that, you know, the.

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There was so much talk
about Kearney's resume.

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He's done this, he's done
that, he's gone to Harvard.

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You know, he, he can surely handle
anything the world will throw at him.

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I mean, Paul F should just stood up and
said, look like you guys are being idiots.

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If you think anyone can handle
Donald Trump, you're idiots.

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The guy is nuts.

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Like it doesn't what he
says to you on a given day.

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Totally.

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You can't control it.

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You know, like, you sure.

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All we can control is their own country.

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We should not elect someone because
we're scared of Donald Trump.

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'cause there's nothing
that we can do about him.

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Well said.

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So what does this mean going forward for,
I see all the rifles in the background.

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You run Caliber Magazine.

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I run a training company in firearms.

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The people listening to this are probably
interested in what does it mean for

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the guns, what's it mean for hunting?

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What's it mean for, what's
the future gonna look like?

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I don't entirely know.

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And I'm hesitant to speculate
because we don't know.

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And that was one thing that I'd said
earlier is there's, I've seen a lot

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of speculation about they're gonna
do this, they're gonna do that.

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And um, if you don't know, the
best thing to do is just shut

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your mouth because speculation
tends to trend towards more fear.

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Induction knowing very few
people speculate, oh, the

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world's gonna get so much better.

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'cause, you know, post nine
11, it kind of just hasn't.

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But I think overall, um, if I were
to speculate, I don't know if there,

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the big question for me is what de
what priority they'll place on this.

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Because I did notice it during the
campaign, like, yes, they got Natalie

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Provost to run, which seems like
a really bad thing for gun owners.

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Now I've also heard from
Tracy Wilson actually that.

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They're probably considering her
more for, um, an agricultural role.

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'cause that's what her background is in.

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It's what she does for the
Quebec government is, is

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agricultural science type stuff.

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Um, so that's her professional experience.

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And like, like I said earlier, if, if
she's a, a lobbyist for guns installing

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a lobbyist in the Ministry of Public
Safety, a lobbyist specifically who

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lobbied public safety would be kind
of a big red flag that even normal

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journalists would go, Hey, this doesn't,
this does not meet the sniff test.

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Mm-hmm.

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So they might actually keep
her away from the gun issue.

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Um, Mark Carney didn't know her name.

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He didn't know what school she'd gone to
or the shooting that she went through.

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So that also tells you that he
was not associated with her.

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Nomination.

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Uh, she did put her name forward
to the liberal party and then

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was made what's called acclaimed
where they don't do an election.

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They just say, yeah, you
can be the candidate.

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Uh, that might have been something
that was decided by like Marco Ticino,

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who is Carney's chief of staff or
anyone within the liberal party.

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Just when, yeah, she's got
a name recognition out the

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wazoo, she'll probably win.

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Mm-hmm.

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She gets us a third of the
way there with her name alone.

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Um, but if that's a bad thing, she's also
a brand new MP with no experience, which

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generally relegates you to the back bench.

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Um.

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They want some experience and they have
so much in that caucus right now to choose

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from not only the want experience, but
the experienced guys get pissed when

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someone else gets parachuted over them.

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Sure.

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Because a cabinet ministerial have
experience, position comes with, well,

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it's not just that, like you make
like a hundred and something thousand

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more dollars as a cabinet minister.

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Like normal mps make good money,
but cabinet ministers make like 300

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grand a year or something like that.

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Like it's a, it's a significant
bump and you get a huge staff,

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so your job gets way easier too.

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Mm-hmm.

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So there's all these very real reasons
that I don't know how prominent she'll be.

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And then the other thing is
that I just don't think Carney

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breezed right past the gun issue.

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During the debate, they asked him flat out
about, you know, assault style firearms.

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Like they laid it up on, it was like
T-ball, it was kinda like, okay, you could

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knock us outta the park if you want to.

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And he totally backed away and said,
well, you know, like we have, we're

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gonna reinvigorate the gun ban or
whatever he said of the buyback.

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And then just kind of moved on to border
and that, and even in his first speech

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afterwards, he didn't even mention.

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Guns in his speech as the
part on public safety.

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He mentioned border security, uh, x-ray
dog like, or, and drug stuff, uh, catching

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smuggled guns was mentioned, but there was
no mention of getting, you know, assaults

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now firearms off the street or something.

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So I wonder if they have seen some
indicator, be it internal polling or, you

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know, uh, some studies or something that
are showing that maybe this isn't the vote

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winning thing that it once was for them.

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Um, interesting because I think the
world has kind of changed, like, like we

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said, like with Poly F he didn't adapt.

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The world has changed in, when Trudeau
announced this in 2020, everyone was

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like going nuts over New Zealand's band.

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Jaina Arden was seen as like a progressive
god amongst leaders because she had so

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succinctly and immediately banned guns
after the massacre there and, mm-hmm.

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Trudeau was trying to get that, hence
why our band looks so much like New

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Zealand, hence why the New Zealand
police actually consulted on it.

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Yeah.

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But I don't think, I think in the
interceding years it's changed.

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We've seen growth in gun ownership.

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There's more people with pals
today than there ever have been.

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I don't expect like for, for
your job, like I don't expect

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that rate will decrease.

455
00:23:20,835 --> 00:23:23,715
I think enrollment in PAL courses
will remain at the same level.

456
00:23:23,715 --> 00:23:24,705
It is, if not higher.

457
00:23:25,395 --> 00:23:28,215
Uh, because once you start
seeing things taken away, people

458
00:23:28,215 --> 00:23:29,085
get interested in getting it.

459
00:23:29,564 --> 00:23:32,085
Like if there's a, you know, oh,
the government could ban guns.

460
00:23:32,085 --> 00:23:34,935
I should go get my pal now is
something that you hear from

461
00:23:34,935 --> 00:23:37,365
people, they stop putting it off.

462
00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:38,264
Yeah.

463
00:23:38,445 --> 00:23:42,435
So, uh, in Australia when they banned
a bunch of stuff after Port Arthur

464
00:23:42,435 --> 00:23:44,595
10 years later, there were more guns
in the country than there ever were.

465
00:23:46,215 --> 00:23:46,544
Yeah.

466
00:23:46,784 --> 00:23:46,875
Yeah.

467
00:23:46,875 --> 00:23:47,685
I saw that stat.

468
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,010
It's

469
00:23:48,764 --> 00:23:52,574
people just adapt and I think that's
what Canadian gun owners will do.

470
00:23:52,845 --> 00:23:56,385
The people that used to shoot,
you know, tack rifle stuff,

471
00:23:56,504 --> 00:23:57,585
if they can't shoot those.

472
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,080
They will just shift to, you know,
uh, rim fire precision or brutality

473
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,990
style matches where there's kind of a
physical component or they'll, they'll

474
00:24:06,990 --> 00:24:11,820
find other com competitive venues,
they'll find other things to switch to.

475
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,140
Um, I don't think hunters will
be overall impacted very much.

476
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:20,820
'cause I think that thus far what the
liberals have tried to do is really avoid

477
00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:25,530
targeting anything that could be conceived
as like a super popular hunting rifle.

478
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,160
So.

479
00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:28,350
Mm. But that's a game where
we get into the priorities.

480
00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:30,900
'cause I think if they do end up
prioritizing it, like if there's

481
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,590
a, if there is another prominent
news item involving a, a gun

482
00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:36,840
in Canada, for example, yeah.

483
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,860
We could see them do what they promised to
do, which was take a look at the existing

484
00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:42,840
legislation around classification.

485
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:44,700
And what concerned me is, was.

486
00:24:45,104 --> 00:24:48,584
The one time they talked about
legislation and the platform

487
00:24:48,584 --> 00:24:49,965
was around classifications.

488
00:24:49,965 --> 00:24:53,534
It's kinda like, well, legislation's
a, a big thing to move for the

489
00:24:53,534 --> 00:24:55,995
government, like OICs and regulations.

490
00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:57,645
It's like a couple forms.

491
00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,145
The minister signs and it's all done.

492
00:24:59,445 --> 00:25:00,074
Legislation.

493
00:25:00,405 --> 00:25:03,375
You know, you get a small army of lawyers,
you draft it, you gotta get it through

494
00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:05,175
the house, the Senate, it's a big deal.

495
00:25:06,074 --> 00:25:11,145
And if they do that, I think, and
this is what I don't wanna speculate

496
00:25:11,145 --> 00:25:14,175
around 'cause I don't, I don't know
if this is gonna happen and I have

497
00:25:14,175 --> 00:25:16,125
no idea if it's likely or unlikely.

498
00:25:17,084 --> 00:25:24,794
But if they were to legislate around
guns, IE make a law, I would expect what

499
00:25:24,794 --> 00:25:29,054
they would do would take the definition
that C 21 provided for bans on future

500
00:25:29,054 --> 00:25:32,084
designs and make it retroactive.

501
00:25:32,804 --> 00:25:37,125
So semi-automatic center fire rifle
with an detachable magazine capable

502
00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:40,935
of holding more than five rounds would
just become banned, not by name as they

503
00:25:40,935 --> 00:25:43,185
currently are, but banned by legislation.

504
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:46,860
And then you would get into things
where like, does the browning

505
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:48,600
BAR have a detachable magazine?

506
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:51,810
I mean, technically the floor
plate swings down, you pull it out.

507
00:25:51,815 --> 00:25:52,175
Mm-hmm.

508
00:25:52,514 --> 00:25:56,670
So it is, and then there are models
where it is just straight drop free

509
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:59,310
mag is the sks a detachable mag?

510
00:25:59,310 --> 00:26:03,270
Well, the SKS D is so, and you
can convert all the other ones.

511
00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:05,580
So I don't know how that
would land, basically.

512
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:07,230
And that's why I don't
like the speculation.

513
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:10,409
'cause it, it could happen,
it could also not happen.

514
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:14,129
But also if you're gonna go down that
rabbit hole of fear of it could happen,

515
00:26:14,129 --> 00:26:16,440
you arrive at all these other, well
what if this and what if that, that

516
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,810
it's impossible to know this stuff.

517
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,700
So it's kind of just wait and see.

518
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:26,850
I'm, I'm getting a bit of a sense of
optimism actually listening to you here.

519
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,110
It sounds like you're not quite as
pessimistic as I figured you'd be.

520
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:32,879
And from what I'm hearing through the, uh.

521
00:26:33,315 --> 00:26:36,855
Uh, through the gun community, I'm getting
a lot of people calling up or emailing

522
00:26:36,855 --> 00:26:40,725
and, and, uh, they're getting rid of their
guns and they're, they're quite upset

523
00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:42,075
and they don't know what they can do.

524
00:26:42,405 --> 00:26:44,805
But that's not the tone that
you're projecting right now.

525
00:26:46,845 --> 00:26:52,935
Yeah, I mean, I think I am not, I
mean, I'm, I'm, I am a naturally

526
00:26:52,935 --> 00:26:55,965
optimistic person who then tries
to be even more optimistic.

527
00:26:55,965 --> 00:26:59,865
So maybe I'm just naive 'cause I believe
what some people call that actually.

528
00:27:00,254 --> 00:27:03,555
But I don't find a, I don't
find purpose in pessimism.

529
00:27:04,425 --> 00:27:07,065
There's a lot of bad stuff
and I mean, if, if you want to

530
00:27:07,095 --> 00:27:08,625
sell your guns, you go for it.

531
00:27:08,685 --> 00:27:09,825
Someone will be there to buy them.

532
00:27:10,215 --> 00:27:12,975
And I think that for every
person that sells a gun, there

533
00:27:12,975 --> 00:27:14,024
is someone there to buy it.

534
00:27:14,145 --> 00:27:18,615
So it's kind of a, a
zero sum qualifier there.

535
00:27:18,615 --> 00:27:19,875
If someone's like, oh, I'm
gonna sell all my guns.

536
00:27:19,875 --> 00:27:22,725
Okay, well, I'm sure you'll find
some to buy them, therefore, mm-hmm.

537
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:24,885
It's all the same, you know.

538
00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:30,585
Um, I'm not that pessimistic,
I suppose, because.

539
00:27:33,075 --> 00:27:36,915
When, when the conservatives are
looking at winning and I've been

540
00:27:36,915 --> 00:27:38,865
talking to them about all this
stuff and saying, Hey, you know, we

541
00:27:38,865 --> 00:27:40,875
could really get some reform going.

542
00:27:41,115 --> 00:27:44,264
I was told so many times by so
many conservative people, well gun

543
00:27:44,264 --> 00:27:45,495
owners are gonna have, be patient.

544
00:27:45,495 --> 00:27:49,514
We've got a lot on our plate and
this is going back to like 2023.

545
00:27:50,055 --> 00:27:52,635
It's like post covid, pre-Trump.

546
00:27:53,774 --> 00:27:56,835
Now that sounds like a
downright quaint existence.

547
00:27:57,705 --> 00:28:02,534
So for the liberals, I, I expect that,
uh, they have a lot on their plate.

548
00:28:03,135 --> 00:28:06,014
Carney did not put a gun
buyback in his budget.

549
00:28:06,135 --> 00:28:10,185
They are currently operating on the
caretaker convention, which is the,

550
00:28:10,215 --> 00:28:12,615
the funding level the government got
last year is what they get this year.

551
00:28:12,645 --> 00:28:14,295
No new, no new programmatic spending.

552
00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:19,875
I supe, I suspect that we will see
more come out once the budget numbers

553
00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:24,045
start coming out, but I really don't
think for the same reasons that

554
00:28:24,045 --> 00:28:25,754
I've maintained for the entire time.

555
00:28:25,754 --> 00:28:27,855
The gun buyback is such
an untenable thing.

556
00:28:27,855 --> 00:28:30,495
I. Mm. And from Mark Kearney to go
up there and go, oh, we're we're

557
00:28:30,495 --> 00:28:33,555
gonna do the reinvigorated gun
buyback sounds really great because

558
00:28:33,555 --> 00:28:37,515
the reasons why the gun buyback is
untenable are not known to many people.

559
00:28:38,205 --> 00:28:42,825
You need to know that there are an
unknown number of non-restricted

560
00:28:42,825 --> 00:28:47,985
guns owned by people that they can't
identify, that they have made illegal

561
00:28:48,825 --> 00:28:52,455
and thus have an obligation to now
buy back and provide compensation.

562
00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:56,715
The government can't just go like,
well, we, we said it, but we're

563
00:28:56,715 --> 00:28:59,265
not gonna, we don't really care
like they have to do this now.

564
00:28:59,310 --> 00:28:59,730
Mm-hmm.

565
00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:02,955
They have created the responsibility
that they must follow through, and

566
00:29:02,955 --> 00:29:09,645
I think that's where it's kind of,
I don't know if Carney will, perhaps

567
00:29:11,745 --> 00:29:14,445
someone's gonna walk into an office
in public safety at some point in

568
00:29:14,445 --> 00:29:18,285
the next couple months, and they're
gonna get handed a, a pa a book, a

569
00:29:18,405 --> 00:29:21,945
transition book, and they're gonna
go, okay, so we're gonna reinvigorate

570
00:29:21,945 --> 00:29:24,165
this buyback and they're gonna open
the book and they're gonna go, oh.

571
00:29:24,195 --> 00:29:29,085
Fuck, this is, this is
not, this is not good.

572
00:29:29,504 --> 00:29:30,764
Why did we do this?

573
00:29:30,764 --> 00:29:35,235
And it'll, we'll, 'cause it is just,
it's, it's a rock and a hard place.

574
00:29:35,235 --> 00:29:39,375
It's, there's no good o option
for the government to do this.

575
00:29:39,375 --> 00:29:40,635
They could do the air fifteens.

576
00:29:40,754 --> 00:29:41,085
Sure.

577
00:29:41,085 --> 00:29:45,014
But, and that's where I kind of wonder
if it's just gonna be more of the same.

578
00:29:45,405 --> 00:29:48,794
Um, I still think they'll probably
extend the amnesty too, because

579
00:29:48,794 --> 00:29:53,145
the government always has an
obligation to induce compliance.

580
00:29:53,175 --> 00:29:55,425
Not, especially when there's no men.

581
00:29:55,455 --> 00:29:58,095
There's no criminality intended by most
of the people that own these things.

582
00:29:58,544 --> 00:30:02,895
So I. I'm sure there's legal statutes out
there that Ian and uncle could probably

583
00:30:02,895 --> 00:30:07,275
cite, where like, you can't just make it
illegal because then some lady who, her

584
00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:10,875
husband passed away and he had an rink
one 14 and she finds it in the garage.

585
00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:14,475
Well now she's, you know, obligated
to go to jail or something.

586
00:30:14,475 --> 00:30:17,565
Like, that's not a, that's not the
way that the legal system works here.

587
00:30:18,105 --> 00:30:21,495
So they'll extend it and it'll just
keep getting kicked down the road.

588
00:30:21,495 --> 00:30:24,885
And we will burn a metric ton of
money at the sacrificial altar of

589
00:30:24,885 --> 00:30:27,945
liberal gun policies like we did with
the Long Gun Registry until someone

590
00:30:27,945 --> 00:30:32,265
goes, the P is big enough, let's just
stop and rewinds the whole thing.

591
00:30:32,955 --> 00:30:40,185
Um, and I have some optimism in that,
at least with Carney, he's, regardless

592
00:30:40,185 --> 00:30:45,015
of his skill and ability, 'cause I have
no idea, he's had some very incredible

593
00:30:45,015 --> 00:30:47,655
positions at jobs making tons of money.

594
00:30:48,285 --> 00:30:51,645
But I don't know anything about money,
so I don't really know what he does

595
00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:52,935
or what the skills that involves.

596
00:30:53,445 --> 00:30:54,015
Um.

597
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:59,340
I think he, we can say he's trying to
distinguish himself from Justin Trudeau.

598
00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:02,550
He is trying to create distance,
the carbon tax, for example.

599
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:05,910
I do know that he is someone
that once defended the carbon

600
00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:08,790
tax with full throat of defense.

601
00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:13,800
He loved carbon taxes, um, as a great
way of reducing carbon emissions.

602
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,080
And his, the particular area that
he worked in was sustainability,

603
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,130
finance, and investment.

604
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:26,700
So like it's all very tied together if
he's willing to, you know, sacrifice the

605
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:31,560
carbon tax, which is something he felt
strongly about, uh, it kind of feels

606
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,640
like everything's up in the air now.

607
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:32,730
Mm-hmm.

608
00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:35,940
And maybe he sees what the bill is
like, maybe he said, yeah, we'll

609
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:37,140
reinvigorate the gun buyback.

610
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:41,100
'cause you know, Marco Medico, his
chief of staff champion the thing told

611
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:42,840
him this is gonna be the gun platform.

612
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,450
Or the people that are associated
with the party that are pushing

613
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,630
the, the liberal party's gun policy
forward was saying, yeah, we'll

614
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:50,700
just keep doing this, but, mm-hmm.

615
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,730
These are the same people that
also defended the carbon tax

616
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:55,230
for the last however many years.

617
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,830
And then he looked at it and went,
no, we're not doing this anymore.

618
00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:00,960
Maybe he'll do the same
thing on the gun thing.

619
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,420
Maybe someone will finally hand
him the estimates and go, it's

620
00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:06,660
gonna cost somewhere between 2.6
billion and $6 billion to do this,

621
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:07,710
and we're never gonna be done.

622
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:10,770
So we're gonna have to have the
office open for the rest of time.

623
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:13,500
Because whenever someone finds one of
these things, we're gonna have to have

624
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:17,730
someone there that can identify it,
verify it, provide an accurate value.

625
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,710
Then we have to have a second
string of people that if they want

626
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:22,500
to contest the value, they gotta
be there with, you know, audits.

627
00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:26,135
Oh, the condition is this
and this forever is mm-hmm.

628
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:27,420
Like literally forever.

629
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,150
Like it's, and this maybe he just
looks at that and goes like, kinda

630
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:32,640
like the carbon tax now this is
not, this is just not gonna work.

631
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,360
It's not winning.

632
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,710
Um, 'cause I also too, this is a
bit anecdotal, but I think everyone

633
00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:39,750
thought it didn't matter where.

634
00:32:40,425 --> 00:32:44,505
People were commenting during the
campaign, be it Reddit, Twitter,

635
00:32:44,565 --> 00:32:48,705
YouTube, Facebook, on individual
news stories like CTV, comments,

636
00:32:48,915 --> 00:32:55,275
sections, anytime the gun bans came
up, it was just universally despised.

637
00:32:56,115 --> 00:32:59,715
Mm. There was no groundswell of
support everywhere it came up.

638
00:33:00,285 --> 00:33:04,455
Media members were saying it
doesn't make sense commenters.

639
00:33:04,455 --> 00:33:07,425
Like no one, no one thinks it makes
sense anymore 'cause it's, we've

640
00:33:07,425 --> 00:33:10,365
had the five year free trial, free
being a hundred million dollars.

641
00:33:10,365 --> 00:33:13,335
But you know, in government talk, I
guess that's basically the same thing.

642
00:33:14,565 --> 00:33:16,155
And everyone just sees more crime.

643
00:33:16,215 --> 00:33:19,005
So it's like, I don't
see anyone supporting it.

644
00:33:19,005 --> 00:33:22,785
The only people that are staunchly
supporting it are people who, in

645
00:33:22,785 --> 00:33:25,995
political terms would never vote
for anyone but the liberals anyways.

646
00:33:26,385 --> 00:33:29,685
So there is no more political capital to
be squeezed from this particular fruit.

647
00:33:29,895 --> 00:33:32,685
The liberals could kill it tomorrow
and lose exactly zero votes,

648
00:33:32,805 --> 00:33:36,345
but gain potentially a majority.

649
00:33:36,345 --> 00:33:40,815
And I think that's, you know, if, if
Carney's trying to distance himself

650
00:33:40,815 --> 00:33:45,225
from Trudeau to set up his identity,
he doesn't need to do that anymore.

651
00:33:45,435 --> 00:33:46,245
To be quite honest.

652
00:33:46,695 --> 00:33:46,930
He's one.

653
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:47,210
Mm-hmm.

654
00:33:47,535 --> 00:33:51,705
He could just govern however he wants
to, but he is continuing to set us

655
00:33:51,705 --> 00:33:55,665
different tone than Trudeau, which tells
you he's, he likely understands that with

656
00:33:55,665 --> 00:33:59,745
a minority and with the way the block
is, there's probably going to be another

657
00:33:59,745 --> 00:34:01,755
election within the next two years.

658
00:34:01,965 --> 00:34:02,055
Mm-hmm.

659
00:34:02,295 --> 00:34:03,915
He wants that to be a majority.

660
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:07,095
So he's looking for the
way to get more votes.

661
00:34:07,695 --> 00:34:10,845
And like I said, with this particular
policy, it is one where absolutely.

662
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:15,390
The only people that vote for the
liberals because of gun bans will

663
00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:18,870
vote for the liberals without gun
bans because they're Who else?

664
00:34:18,875 --> 00:34:19,890
They're, they're liberals.

665
00:34:19,895 --> 00:34:19,905
Sure.

666
00:34:19,905 --> 00:34:22,410
Like they're, that's, it's kinda like
the conservatives have always said,

667
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:23,880
if you like guns, you vote for us.

668
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,010
'cause we're the only
party that won't ban guns.

669
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:26,190
Mm-hmm.

670
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,320
So it's sort of, what are you gonna do?

671
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,230
And that's why I say, I think a lot
of gun owners should probably get

672
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:33,630
out there and start talking to their
mps, especially if they're liberals.

673
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:35,190
Mm-hmm.

674
00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:37,230
Yeah.

675
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,310
No, that's very wise.

676
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:39,180
And I, I agree with you.

677
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:43,110
I think the can's gonna get kicked down
the road history, history would show.

678
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:44,520
That's typically what happens.

679
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,350
It just gets kicked down further and
further hoping people forget about it.

680
00:34:49,410 --> 00:34:54,090
It gets a little less on the radar,
barring a shooting or some massacre

681
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:56,940
or something in the news that comes
up, whether it's in our country

682
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:59,280
or not, uh, firearms related.

683
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:03,030
That's, that's usually the impetus
that will get something moving

684
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:08,370
again, in a, in an anti-gun way or
more regulatory, uh, restrictions.

685
00:35:10,035 --> 00:35:10,785
Barring that.

686
00:35:10,935 --> 00:35:12,525
I see you getting kicked
down the road further,

687
00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:18,915
but I think we're gonna reach an intersect
at some point here where, you know, for,

688
00:35:18,915 --> 00:35:23,685
for a long time now, headlines around
guns and crime have generally been

689
00:35:23,685 --> 00:35:27,255
bad for the gun community, resulting
in more bans, this sort of stuff.

690
00:35:28,095 --> 00:35:31,605
But I think we've reached a bit of
a, a, I think we've already reached

691
00:35:31,605 --> 00:35:32,565
a bit of an inflection point.

692
00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:36,405
It's just whether, how long it takes to
percolate to the surface and to Ottawa

693
00:35:37,695 --> 00:35:44,115
where, like when I got my gun license from
Silver Corps, like 20 whatever years ago.

694
00:35:44,115 --> 00:35:44,205
Mm-hmm.

695
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:52,245
If you, if you were to go into the gun
community on, at the time, the only way to

696
00:35:52,245 --> 00:35:56,805
talk to the gun community was on Canadian
gun nuts, which was to, to date it.

697
00:35:56,805 --> 00:35:58,335
Like when that was the only place.

698
00:35:59,505 --> 00:35:59,625
Yeah.

699
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:03,465
If you mentioned defensive
use of a gun, you would be.

700
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,150
You wouldn't just be
ridiculed, you'd be railroaded.

701
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:06,240
Sure.

702
00:36:06,839 --> 00:36:08,430
There'd be guys being
like, you can't say that.

703
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:10,799
Get GTFO, mute this guy.

704
00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:12,270
Block the con, delete that.

705
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:14,430
Like they would lose their
minds over the notion of that.

706
00:36:14,464 --> 00:36:14,884
Mm-hmm.

707
00:36:14,964 --> 00:36:19,410
If you went to a gun club and you
mentioned defensive use of a gun, at that

708
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:23,250
time, gun owners themselves would look
at you like you'd run a third eyeball

709
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:24,299
and go, no, you can't do that here.

710
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,560
That's not what we have guns for.

711
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:27,630
You got your license, you
know what you understand?

712
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:31,049
You can only own them for recreational
shooting, hunting, and collecting.

713
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:33,630
Those are the only three valid reasons
you cannot have a gun for self-defense.

714
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:38,190
That was the overwhelming rhetoric
from within the gun community.

715
00:36:38,819 --> 00:36:39,180
Hmm.

716
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,779
That is absolutely not the case today.

717
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:43,605
Like mm-hmm.

718
00:36:43,985 --> 00:36:44,404
At all.

719
00:36:44,985 --> 00:36:47,069
It is now common.

720
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:51,030
To talk about home defense,
talk about defensive gun uses.

721
00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:57,420
We are seeing defensive uses of
firearms occurring with what would

722
00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:59,550
be considered by 20 year ago.

723
00:36:59,550 --> 00:36:59,910
Metrics.

724
00:36:59,970 --> 00:37:01,230
Shocking regularity.

725
00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:04,560
Like there were like two
cases for like 10 years.

726
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,330
There were huge news
because it was so uncommon.

727
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:10,590
It was so abstract.

728
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:15,570
It was so rare that like a Canadian was
having his house firebombed and he shot

729
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:20,550
his pistol in the air twice to scare the
intruders away was breaking news like

730
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:22,260
people were following that court case.

731
00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:24,000
It was a huge story.

732
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,630
Now, like it happens and I don't
even notice, like people be like,

733
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:30,210
oh, did you hear about this guy that
his, he was having his truck stolen?

734
00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:30,810
I'm like, no.

735
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,280
Oh yeah, he came out with a shotgun.

736
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,180
I, I had no idea.

737
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:39,690
'cause it happens so frequently now, and
I think that's where this intersection of.

738
00:37:40,485 --> 00:37:44,715
And it's, it's almost ironic if it wasn't
so depressing that I've said for a long

739
00:37:44,715 --> 00:37:51,525
time, there's, there has been for, up
until now, I suppose, no incentive for

740
00:37:51,525 --> 00:37:56,505
the liberals to stop crime because the
policies that they also use to leverage

741
00:37:56,505 --> 00:37:59,805
votes being gun stuff rely on crime.

742
00:37:59,865 --> 00:38:03,285
If there were no mass shootings, they
couldn't use gun politics to win votes.

743
00:38:03,375 --> 00:38:04,365
It just, it wouldn't work.

744
00:38:04,395 --> 00:38:08,385
Mm. So they, they kind of don't,
there's, like I said, I don't think

745
00:38:08,385 --> 00:38:11,715
they want to, but there's also no
motivation for them to stop gun crime.

746
00:38:11,715 --> 00:38:16,245
It takes away a, a pretty big cudgel that
they've always carried, but it's almost

747
00:38:16,245 --> 00:38:21,405
like they've let it fester for so long by
tilting at gun bans and gun owners instead

748
00:38:21,405 --> 00:38:27,045
of the actual causes that now so many
people are seeing so many stories about.

749
00:38:29,055 --> 00:38:31,695
Crime, really bad crime.

750
00:38:31,875 --> 00:38:34,455
Like here in Colonna, there's a
story that came out two days ago, and

751
00:38:34,455 --> 00:38:36,675
this is the perfect example 'cause
there's so many examples of it.

752
00:38:37,245 --> 00:38:41,385
It was the headline was something
like Woman who Shot, brother in

753
00:38:41,385 --> 00:38:44,145
head, released on time served.

754
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:46,690
Okay.

755
00:38:47,115 --> 00:38:48,645
It is, it's as simple as that.

756
00:38:48,645 --> 00:38:52,335
People are reading these
things and going, Jesus.

757
00:38:52,365 --> 00:38:57,585
She shot her brother in the head
with a shotgun and she's out

758
00:38:57,975 --> 00:38:59,415
a couple years later on time.

759
00:38:59,415 --> 00:39:02,385
Served any, yeah, there were
circumstances around it.

760
00:39:02,385 --> 00:39:04,875
There wasn't like, one of them was a
saint and the other one was the devil.

761
00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:09,075
They were, they're arguing over
drugs, but like they're still people.

762
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:12,345
Mm. And I think that's where
even liberals are starting to go.

763
00:39:12,615 --> 00:39:15,795
Those are still people, and yet
they're people that constitute

764
00:39:15,795 --> 00:39:17,295
risk to me and my family.

765
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:18,110
Mm-hmm.

766
00:39:18,195 --> 00:39:19,815
And they're just being let out.

767
00:39:19,995 --> 00:39:21,765
They are committing these
crimes over and over again.

768
00:39:21,765 --> 00:39:25,785
We're hearing always about these,
whatever, it's the, what's the term?

769
00:39:26,055 --> 00:39:27,735
The offenders that do
a metric ton of crimes.

770
00:39:27,915 --> 00:39:31,725
There's like eight guys in colon that
have done like 300 crimes like a month.

771
00:39:32,415 --> 00:39:32,505
Right.

772
00:39:32,505 --> 00:39:36,825
Under tying up all of the resources and
it's, it's such a common thing that it's

773
00:39:36,825 --> 00:39:41,415
now resulting in more people getting gun
licenses because they don't feel secure.

774
00:39:42,165 --> 00:39:46,005
Like this growth that we've seen
in people with gun licenses.

775
00:39:46,155 --> 00:39:49,425
I think a large portion, I would love
to do a poll on it someday, but I, I

776
00:39:49,425 --> 00:39:53,115
would argue a lot of the people that
are getting gun licenses now, a lot

777
00:39:53,115 --> 00:39:57,135
of this current surge is people who
are concerned for their security.

778
00:39:58,095 --> 00:39:59,025
'cause let's, hundred percent.

779
00:39:59,025 --> 00:40:00,135
It's not like they're going into ips.

780
00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:00,310
I

781
00:40:01,755 --> 00:40:02,565
a hundred percent.

782
00:40:02,565 --> 00:40:06,705
It's a safety security driver and that.

783
00:40:07,275 --> 00:40:09,645
Uh, from what I've seen is two fronts.

784
00:40:09,645 --> 00:40:12,825
One's gonna be personal safety,
just like you articulated.

785
00:40:12,825 --> 00:40:17,805
And the other one's going to be, uh, the
idea that if everything goes sideways,

786
00:40:17,805 --> 00:40:19,575
they still want to be able to get food.

787
00:40:19,575 --> 00:40:20,625
They wanna learn how to hunt.

788
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:20,985
Like the,

789
00:40:22,995 --> 00:40:25,960
the reality of that self-sufficiency
is a lot more self-sufficiency.

790
00:40:26,235 --> 00:40:27,885
The idea of being self-sufficient.

791
00:40:28,275 --> 00:40:34,515
And more and more people are coming in
just for that a lot more, uh, women and

792
00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:38,835
bringing their kids in and families that
are coming in that are getting firearms

793
00:40:38,835 --> 00:40:42,105
because of what they consume in the media.

794
00:40:42,105 --> 00:40:49,065
And the idea that there is so much
uncertainty and, um, how unsafe

795
00:40:49,065 --> 00:40:50,385
it is in the world right now.

796
00:40:50,475 --> 00:40:53,355
I mean, the reality is we
live in a pretty safe time.

797
00:40:53,535 --> 00:40:57,045
I mean, it's, it's pretty damn, I
think it's safer than it's, if you

798
00:40:57,045 --> 00:41:02,085
look at the polls and it has been
in a ever really, but that's not

799
00:41:02,085 --> 00:41:04,005
what people see on an ongoing basis.

800
00:41:04,575 --> 00:41:04,845
Um.

801
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,480
So, yeah.

802
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:08,910
Why they're getting the
license a hundred percent.

803
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:12,420
It's because they fear for their safety
and they want to be self-sufficient.

804
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,390
Well, and I think too, like

805
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,660
the stats scan data shows that,
generally speaking, there's more

806
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:23,040
crime than there ever has been.

807
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:26,759
Now, the last 10 years has been
a pretty reasonable tick upwards

808
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:33,090
and a lot more crime of a serious
nature, which results in the violent

809
00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:34,529
crime index number coming up.

810
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:38,759
But the, the rate of people
reporting crimes has gone way down.

811
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:41,549
Um, not way down, but it's gone down.

812
00:41:41,549 --> 00:41:45,180
So we're getting farther
away from good outcomes.

813
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:48,930
Uh, 'cause when you see the
crime rate going up, like 30%

814
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:50,970
of crime is reported in Canada.

815
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,420
That's it.

816
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,549
The other 60% just goes unreported.

817
00:41:53,549 --> 00:41:53,820
Now

818
00:41:55,980 --> 00:42:00,060
in terms of what is reported, generally
speaking, crimes like homicides.

819
00:42:00,525 --> 00:42:04,460
Are reported because it's hard
to cover up the fact, not fact

820
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:05,475
that someone is now missing.

821
00:42:05,535 --> 00:42:05,865
Right.

822
00:42:06,165 --> 00:42:06,856
Um mm-hmm.

823
00:42:06,862 --> 00:42:10,485
But other crimes like assaults, sexual
assaults, and obviously property crime,

824
00:42:10,665 --> 00:42:13,695
theft of a bike and stuff like that
are less reported because they're

825
00:42:13,695 --> 00:42:16,635
not noticeable and people just move
on with their lives a lot of times.

826
00:42:17,355 --> 00:42:17,475
Mm-hmm.

827
00:42:17,835 --> 00:42:21,645
Um, the rate of reporting has gone down,
the clearance rate has gone down as well.

828
00:42:21,915 --> 00:42:23,955
You can see all the sask
can does all this stuff.

829
00:42:24,315 --> 00:42:31,485
Um, so we are seeing less
crimes reported than victims.

830
00:42:31,485 --> 00:42:33,825
So they, what they do is they
compare the general census that

831
00:42:33,825 --> 00:42:39,705
they do with the crimes that are
reported to the federal courts.

832
00:42:39,705 --> 00:42:42,915
So they'll do the general census,
say, Hey, have you been the victim

833
00:42:42,915 --> 00:42:45,675
of a violent crime in the last year?

834
00:42:45,675 --> 00:42:46,095
Or whatever.

835
00:42:46,095 --> 00:42:46,395
Right.

836
00:42:46,995 --> 00:42:49,545
And then they'll compare that stat
to how many people actually reported

837
00:42:49,845 --> 00:42:51,735
a violent crime the year prior.

838
00:42:51,765 --> 00:42:55,125
And they'll say, okay, well 30%
of the people who've reported

839
00:42:55,125 --> 00:42:56,055
the crime to the police.

840
00:42:57,330 --> 00:43:00,360
60% said they were victims of
violent crime on our census.

841
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,700
So they, it's referred to basically
as a victim versus crime comparison.

842
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:05,790
Sure.

843
00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:07,140
Um, yeah, it makes sense.

844
00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:11,430
So we have a lot more
victims than we do crimes.

845
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:15,240
The gap is growing, the rates at
which we are solving these crimes

846
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,904
is going down, but at the same time,
stats, Canada's reported crime rate

847
00:43:19,904 --> 00:43:24,990
has gone up by percentage points,
like 10% or more in various areas.

848
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,840
Um, so things are getting worse.

849
00:43:28,590 --> 00:43:33,480
And I think too, it's younger people
specifically because a lot of the

850
00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:40,440
victimization of crime heavily, heavily
impacts people at lower income levels

851
00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:42,180
because they have to live in Sure.

852
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:43,440
More dangerous areas and stuff.

853
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:43,710
Right.

854
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:47,759
Well, if you're a 65-year-old who
bought your home in 1985 and you've

855
00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:50,819
marched your way up the property
ladder, you probably don't live in a

856
00:43:50,819 --> 00:43:52,110
very dangerous neighborhood anymore.

857
00:43:52,125 --> 00:43:55,965
Mm. And that's why I think you're getting
a lot of young people coming out while

858
00:43:55,965 --> 00:43:58,965
we're seeing the growth, especially
amongst young people and getting gun

859
00:43:58,965 --> 00:44:03,015
licenses, is that they are also the
population that is most influenced

860
00:44:03,015 --> 00:44:04,455
by these increases in crime rates.

861
00:44:04,455 --> 00:44:07,635
'cause they are the ones
confronting these crimes.

862
00:44:07,635 --> 00:44:09,825
They maybe they can't afford
a car, so they get a bike.

863
00:44:09,855 --> 00:44:11,655
Well, bikes are stolen all the damn time.

864
00:44:11,685 --> 00:44:12,315
Do you report it?

865
00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:13,005
'cause it's a bike?

866
00:44:13,005 --> 00:44:14,835
No, the cops aren't gonna do anything.

867
00:44:15,615 --> 00:44:15,975
That's right.

868
00:44:16,725 --> 00:44:22,005
So, and that sort of mentality leads
to, well if the cops, if I can't trust

869
00:44:22,005 --> 00:44:25,755
the cops to find my bike, what happens
if something more serious happens?

870
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:26,210
Mm-hmm.

871
00:44:26,415 --> 00:44:27,765
I should probably then get a gun.

872
00:44:27,825 --> 00:44:30,525
And where I think the intersect
will happen is eventually this

873
00:44:30,525 --> 00:44:32,925
liberal mentality of, oh, we'll
kick the can down the road.

874
00:44:33,135 --> 00:44:35,415
Maybe a bad shooting
happens at some point.

875
00:44:35,505 --> 00:44:37,275
A bad crime is going to happen.

876
00:44:37,545 --> 00:44:40,095
If this trajectory
continues, it's inevitable.

877
00:44:41,085 --> 00:44:45,495
If crime keeps rising, eventually a
bad crime will happen and Canadians

878
00:44:45,495 --> 00:44:49,455
will turn around and instead of saying,
govern us harder, daddy, they'll go.

879
00:44:50,535 --> 00:44:53,145
Why can't I get something to
stop it from happening to me?

880
00:44:53,895 --> 00:44:54,134
Mm-hmm.

881
00:44:54,435 --> 00:44:57,165
That will be the shift is they will
have just given up hope that the

882
00:44:57,165 --> 00:45:01,545
system, the authorities, the courts
can stop these things and they'll

883
00:45:01,545 --> 00:45:04,455
say, I need to have that right myself.

884
00:45:04,845 --> 00:45:05,714
Uh, nothing else.

885
00:45:05,714 --> 00:45:07,335
You obviously can't provide it.

886
00:45:07,904 --> 00:45:10,935
If you won't provide me with the safety
and security that me and my family need,

887
00:45:11,234 --> 00:45:14,265
then you cannot deny me getting the
security that me and my family need.

888
00:45:16,004 --> 00:45:20,595
And that's why I say it is inevitable
because that's just how the world works.

889
00:45:20,595 --> 00:45:24,765
Like people will not continue to
accept a less safe area, less safe

890
00:45:24,765 --> 00:45:30,555
for their kids in Intuity, constantly
allowing the responsibility of safety

891
00:45:30,555 --> 00:45:33,194
to be downloaded to an authority.

892
00:45:33,194 --> 00:45:33,944
A court system.

893
00:45:33,944 --> 00:45:38,025
A jail system that does not
seem to be capable of it.

894
00:45:39,825 --> 00:45:41,685
Like you wouldn't hire a
taxi with a broken engine.

895
00:45:41,835 --> 00:45:44,595
It, it's just one of those
like, I need to get there.

896
00:45:44,595 --> 00:45:45,765
Well, my engine's broken, well.

897
00:45:46,335 --> 00:45:48,735
I guess I'll have to walk 'cause
I'm not just gonna sit in the

898
00:45:48,735 --> 00:45:49,755
back of your cab while you,

899
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,795
I I, I see that tipping point
further on down the road though.

900
00:45:54,885 --> 00:45:56,385
Um, a fair bit further.

901
00:45:56,415 --> 00:46:00,735
I think there would have to be a lot of
civil unrest and a lot of, um, people

902
00:46:01,575 --> 00:46:08,835
grabbing a pair essentially to stand up
and start, um, um, recognizing the amount

903
00:46:08,835 --> 00:46:12,705
of agency that they have as an individual
to be able to affect their own destiny.

904
00:46:12,735 --> 00:46:17,625
And I think that's something for a
long period of time that's been, uh,

905
00:46:18,915 --> 00:46:23,355
intentionally, uh, taken from people.

906
00:46:23,355 --> 00:46:25,815
Whether that's through school
systems, whether that's through

907
00:46:25,815 --> 00:46:30,465
media, whether it's, whatever
it might be through legislation.

908
00:46:30,555 --> 00:46:32,055
You can't defend yourself.

909
00:46:32,115 --> 00:46:34,725
Don't you worry we have the
police, I'll take care of you.

910
00:46:35,085 --> 00:46:36,225
You know, seconds count.

911
00:46:36,225 --> 00:46:37,665
The police are minutes away.

912
00:46:37,665 --> 00:46:39,525
Is is how the saying always goes?

913
00:46:40,095 --> 00:46:40,785
I think.

914
00:46:41,985 --> 00:46:43,455
I think we have a lot of.

915
00:46:44,295 --> 00:46:49,335
Timid individuals who don't understand
how much power that they actually have.

916
00:46:49,725 --> 00:46:54,225
And that's one of the things that I, like
you and I were asked to do a chat for the

917
00:46:54,225 --> 00:46:59,235
National Firearms Association recently for
their A GM, and that's something that's

918
00:46:59,235 --> 00:47:04,035
always been on the back burner that I try
to help people with is just understand

919
00:47:04,035 --> 00:47:08,835
what the rules are, understand what you're
able to actually do in effect, in a legal

920
00:47:08,835 --> 00:47:12,465
way, in order to push things further

921
00:47:14,565 --> 00:47:17,355
for the benefit of yourself, your
family, and those around you.

922
00:47:17,955 --> 00:47:20,085
It's not gonna be somebody else
who makes these things happen.

923
00:47:20,145 --> 00:47:22,695
You're not gonna rely on an
organization, have given you some

924
00:47:22,695 --> 00:47:23,925
money and it's all gonna happen.

925
00:47:24,255 --> 00:47:25,605
You're not gonna rely on the police.

926
00:47:25,635 --> 00:47:27,975
Okay, the government's got the
police in here and now I'm safe.

927
00:47:27,975 --> 00:47:28,305
Right?

928
00:47:29,925 --> 00:47:33,315
At some point people are going to
have to be, I think, pushed into a

929
00:47:33,315 --> 00:47:38,025
position where they start standing up
and I, and I see that slowly happening.

930
00:47:39,615 --> 00:47:41,625
I mean, there's a saying too that, I
can't remember what the exact wording

931
00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:45,795
is, but it's basically like, you know,
very slowly then all of a sudden is

932
00:47:45,795 --> 00:47:49,605
how change usually seems to occur a
lot of times is it's, it's incremental.

933
00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:52,305
It's incremental, it's incremental, and
then suddenly a tipping point is breached.

934
00:47:52,305 --> 00:47:53,535
And it's whoosh.

935
00:47:53,535 --> 00:47:56,745
You know, it's, we've
seen it all so many times.

936
00:47:57,375 --> 00:48:01,634
Um, I mean, the us, the housing crisis,
everyone knew it was a bubble, knew it's

937
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:04,095
a bubble, oh, it's gonna be a bubble,
it's gonna, then it bursts and it's, oh

938
00:48:04,095 --> 00:48:07,365
yeah, that was a bubble and now it's a
giant recession, and that sort of thing.

939
00:48:08,355 --> 00:48:15,615
I think, um, it could happen on an, on
a more evolutionary standard of just,

940
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:19,125
you know, okay, well things are getting
worse and police can't protect me.

941
00:48:19,785 --> 00:48:23,535
But I think what will more likely
happen, especially given today's media

942
00:48:23,535 --> 00:48:28,484
makeup and the, the way politics works
is, is you reach these moments in

943
00:48:28,484 --> 00:48:33,615
time that are like a perfect push pull
opportunity wherein something happens.

944
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:38,040
Uh, in, in this context for, for
the hypothetical, say there's some

945
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,520
terrible crime that someone could
have prevented if they'd had a gun.

946
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,700
And there's some sort of key piece
of clear evidence that if this person

947
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,899
had been armed, they would have done
something outstanding, phenomenal, saved

948
00:48:51,899 --> 00:48:53,160
a bunch of people, something like that.

949
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:54,419
Um,

950
00:48:57,330 --> 00:49:00,990
with that clarity, politicians
then get the license, the political

951
00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:05,040
license to entertain the notion
that we need to move forward.

952
00:49:05,399 --> 00:49:08,129
And it inspires people
to push for that change.

953
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,149
And you get that push pull where you
get a massive uprising in people,

954
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:17,939
but it won't be, uh, it, it won't be
because Statistics Canada releases

955
00:49:17,939 --> 00:49:19,290
a report and people just keep going.

956
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:19,410
Yeah.

957
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:20,549
Things are getting worse and worse.

958
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:23,160
And at this point, with that
number, that's the thing

959
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,959
that we need to now pursue.

960
00:49:24,959 --> 00:49:31,379
It'll be some really emotionally
motivating event that will

961
00:49:31,439 --> 00:49:33,419
provide people with enough.

962
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:33,509
Yeah.

963
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Emotional motivation to push forward
and go, that can never happen again.

964
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,710
We need to do whatever we can to
prevent that from ever happening again.

965
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:46,950
And politicians will look at it
and go, there is a critical mass

966
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:48,359
of support for this process.

967
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:51,660
It may be historically speaking, not
something that we wanted to touch with

968
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:57,930
the 10 foot pole, but we are recognizing
a moment of zeitgeist in social, I guess

969
00:49:57,930 --> 00:50:01,410
engineering at this point was what we're
talking about is sure they'll see that

970
00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:03,210
and they will be able to pull towards it.

971
00:50:03,569 --> 00:50:07,259
And the combination is usually what
results in, in wholesale change.

972
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:08,160
Um.

973
00:50:08,189 --> 00:50:08,310
Mm-hmm.

974
00:50:08,819 --> 00:50:12,419
I mean, good example would be that movie
that Al Gore did that really inspired

975
00:50:12,419 --> 00:50:15,180
the whole climate change discussion.

976
00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:18,450
Mm. The movie comes out, people
watch it, it's emotional 'cause it's

977
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:21,330
got animals dying and everyone sees
the sad looking polar bear on the

978
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:22,740
ice flow that's starving to death.

979
00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:24,870
And they go, wow, we, we
can't let this happen.

980
00:50:25,649 --> 00:50:28,589
And that gives people the incentive
and the politicians respond to it.

981
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:30,540
And you get that, that kind of.

982
00:50:30,945 --> 00:50:31,995
Cooperative effort.

983
00:50:32,535 --> 00:50:35,115
I don't know what that
looks like in Canada.

984
00:50:35,715 --> 00:50:39,465
I also don't know as well because
there's, I feel like there are,

985
00:50:40,695 --> 00:50:42,045
there's two Canadas at this point.

986
00:50:42,345 --> 00:50:45,975
There's, there's like my parents Canada,
and then there's me and my brother's

987
00:50:45,975 --> 00:50:47,595
Canada, and they're not the same country.

988
00:50:47,595 --> 00:50:47,655
Hmm.

989
00:50:48,195 --> 00:50:51,795
Because you will never convince
my parents that things are worse

990
00:50:51,795 --> 00:50:54,645
today than they were in 1985.

991
00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:57,915
Like, you can't even convince them
that houses are more expensive.

992
00:50:58,065 --> 00:50:58,995
I've had that debate.

993
00:50:58,995 --> 00:50:59,805
It didn't go well.

994
00:51:00,225 --> 00:51:00,825
Um, sure.

995
00:51:01,035 --> 00:51:03,405
When you try and have these
discussions, they just, Nope, nope.

996
00:51:03,465 --> 00:51:04,455
It was tough for us too.

997
00:51:04,455 --> 00:51:08,055
The interest rates really high and you
kinda go, well, you know, interest rates

998
00:51:08,055 --> 00:51:09,315
and principle are two different things.

999
00:51:09,315 --> 00:51:12,105
Like, would you rather have a
really huge principle and a low

1000
00:51:12,105 --> 00:51:15,075
interest rate, or like a really low
principle and a huge interest rate?

1001
00:51:15,075 --> 00:51:16,605
I, I know which I would prefer.

1002
00:51:17,055 --> 00:51:17,475
Um mm-hmm.

1003
00:51:17,715 --> 00:51:20,775
It's not the one I've got
unfortunately, but, uh mm-hmm.

1004
00:51:21,645 --> 00:51:27,525
I think that if you can't convince
people of, of these basic facts that.

1005
00:51:27,915 --> 00:51:31,725
Younger people are confronting
in a very, like daily basis.

1006
00:51:32,355 --> 00:51:36,165
Uh, you're dealing with, with a, such
a general generational divide as I'm

1007
00:51:36,165 --> 00:51:40,395
not sure the closest that I can come
with, uh, for a comparator would be

1008
00:51:40,395 --> 00:51:45,225
like Americans in the sixties with the
hippie movement in the Vietnam War.

1009
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:45,359
Sure.

1010
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:47,325
War, drugs, Reagan, that whole period.

1011
00:51:47,325 --> 00:51:53,055
But that whole period was also one
of extreme violence in the us like

1012
00:51:53,145 --> 00:51:57,645
multiple presidential assassination
efforts, some that were successful,

1013
00:51:58,035 --> 00:52:02,085
multiple, like Martin Luther
King, the Black Panthers bombings.

1014
00:52:02,085 --> 00:52:08,984
Like it was, it was a phenomenally, people
do not realize how the sixties in America

1015
00:52:09,285 --> 00:52:14,384
was an exceptionally violent period of
time because of that generational divide.

1016
00:52:15,165 --> 00:52:17,174
And I think Canada is going
to have to confront that.

1017
00:52:17,174 --> 00:52:18,285
And that's where I start to go.

1018
00:52:18,794 --> 00:52:22,785
You know, it's really easy to say, well,
I think Canada's really far away from

1019
00:52:22,785 --> 00:52:25,250
accepting firearms and self-defense as.

1020
00:52:26,145 --> 00:52:27,495
An innate Right.

1021
00:52:27,524 --> 00:52:30,404
Well, we're also the only country where
foreign diplomat's ever been executed.

1022
00:52:30,855 --> 00:52:31,725
The FLQ did it.

1023
00:52:32,444 --> 00:52:36,404
We have that history with the
Mohawk Nation of Armed Insurrection.

1024
00:52:36,674 --> 00:52:39,375
We have the FLQ bombing
things in Montreal.

1025
00:52:39,645 --> 00:52:42,045
Like these are not, this
is not ancient history.

1026
00:52:42,585 --> 00:52:47,085
Like my mom moved out of Quebec
during the War Measures Act

1027
00:52:47,085 --> 00:52:48,254
there because of the bombings.

1028
00:52:48,285 --> 00:52:48,375
Mm-hmm.

1029
00:52:49,095 --> 00:52:50,865
Like this is recent stuff.

1030
00:52:51,285 --> 00:52:57,495
Um, and unless this is where I do
hope, like this is one of those cases

1031
00:52:57,495 --> 00:53:00,825
where I hope Mark Carney can do better,
some politician needs to do better

1032
00:53:01,154 --> 00:53:02,835
because of that gap keeps growing.

1033
00:53:02,895 --> 00:53:07,665
If that misunderstanding between the
generations continues to grow, uh, we

1034
00:53:07,665 --> 00:53:12,194
will reach a point where the violence that
was born out in the sixties in America,

1035
00:53:12,194 --> 00:53:15,225
or the race riots and all the other
things that were largely generational.

1036
00:53:15,225 --> 00:53:19,995
'cause young people didn't have a problem
with integration, their parents did.

1037
00:53:20,805 --> 00:53:21,315
Mm-hmm.

1038
00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:22,430
If, if.

1039
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:25,320
Kids today are going,
I can't afford a home.

1040
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,770
'cause they're way too expensive and their
parents are going, it was hard for us too.

1041
00:53:28,770 --> 00:53:29,910
It was just as expensive.

1042
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:34,650
You're gonna start to see people do things
that will become the inciting moments.

1043
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,610
That could be the emotional push that
will make a politician go, Hey look,

1044
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,759
the young generation seems really upset.

1045
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:46,530
The sound of explosions indicates
that we should be, and they're

1046
00:53:46,530 --> 00:53:47,670
also the largest voting block.

1047
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:50,970
So maybe what we should do is listen
to them and start making some changes.

1048
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:54,810
Um, and those changes are, I
agree that it's down the road.

1049
00:53:54,810 --> 00:53:57,660
I don't think it's as far down
the road as most people think.

1050
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Um, and I don't know where the
change will take us, because some

1051
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,340
of these things can go very far.

1052
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:08,730
Some of them can be somewhat more
incremental, but they, I think there

1053
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:11,940
will be much larger changes than
most Canadians are used to seeing.

1054
00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:14,521
I agree with a lot of
what you said there and.

1055
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:18,990
One of the things that you touched
on was the zeitgeist, you know,

1056
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:22,830
the spirit of the times, which
is the literal translation of it.

1057
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:28,620
And I, so I just got back from
Montreal when I was over there.

1058
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:30,600
I dropped by one of the local gun stores.

1059
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,840
I talked to Dante, uh,
or sorry, not Dante.

1060
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:40,350
I talked to Rudy at Dante's, uh, sporting
Goods and had a really good chat with him.

1061
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,780
And he comes in, he says,
Trav, you come over here.

1062
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,540
I, I don't show this to many
people, but take a look at this.

1063
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:48,540
And he opens up his books
and he says, look at this.

1064
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,310
Here's how long I've been running for.

1065
00:54:50,850 --> 00:54:55,800
I mark all the months, all the years,
how it goes up and how it goes down.

1066
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,860
And I correlate what's
happening at the time.

1067
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:02,550
You know what other gun stores at
this point right here, when this thing

1068
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:04,560
happened politically, they shut down.

1069
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,600
I didn't, here's what I did.

1070
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,190
And he talks about how he pivoted.

1071
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:11,850
And any good entrepreneur
and business person.

1072
00:55:12,465 --> 00:55:17,025
He can find a way to make a
pivot within their business.

1073
00:55:17,025 --> 00:55:20,355
Like I walk in his business, it's a gun
store, but it's also got like higher

1074
00:55:20,355 --> 00:55:21,645
end kitchen equipment in there too.

1075
00:55:21,645 --> 00:55:24,435
I don't know if you've ever been
there, but uh, and his wife's got

1076
00:55:24,435 --> 00:55:27,225
all her stuff and the son's a chef
and he is got a kitchen next door.

1077
00:55:27,225 --> 00:55:30,645
And I'm like, it's a pretty cool
family operation they got going and

1078
00:55:30,645 --> 00:55:32,505
it didn't happen just by a accident.

1079
00:55:32,505 --> 00:55:35,775
It's a longstanding
ongoing family operation.

1080
00:55:36,285 --> 00:55:38,415
But you know, I get something from that.

1081
00:55:38,415 --> 00:55:41,385
What I get from it is there's
always gonna be winners and

1082
00:55:41,385 --> 00:55:42,615
there's always gonna be losers.

1083
00:55:42,615 --> 00:55:44,565
Losers will whine, well, what happened?

1084
00:55:44,565 --> 00:55:46,785
Well, it was 2008 and there's a recession.

1085
00:55:46,785 --> 00:55:49,215
So if it wasn't for them, my
business would've thrived.

1086
00:55:49,965 --> 00:55:52,455
There's a lot of businesses that
did thrive in that time because

1087
00:55:52,455 --> 00:55:53,775
they pivoted and they adapted.

1088
00:55:54,225 --> 00:55:56,295
And I look at this in a similar way.

1089
00:55:56,654 --> 00:55:58,214
What can individuals do?

1090
00:55:58,395 --> 00:55:59,625
What can businesses do?

1091
00:56:00,225 --> 00:56:01,455
Businesses can adapt.

1092
00:56:01,544 --> 00:56:04,605
I mean, there's a lot of different
ways and ideas that a business

1093
00:56:04,605 --> 00:56:09,285
can actually, uh, use current
legislation in order to be successful.

1094
00:56:09,674 --> 00:56:14,444
It's the individual portion that I
think I'd like to touch on a little

1095
00:56:14,444 --> 00:56:17,895
bit, because a lot of people will
listen to you talk by self included.

1096
00:56:17,895 --> 00:56:22,035
I'll listen to what you have to say and
the holy crap, you're well informed.

1097
00:56:22,035 --> 00:56:23,325
Yeah, that's a really good point.

1098
00:56:23,325 --> 00:56:24,375
Yeah, that's pretty good.

1099
00:56:24,375 --> 00:56:24,674
Right?

1100
00:56:24,794 --> 00:56:28,575
And people will then sit back and
wait, okay, I guess we'll just wait

1101
00:56:28,575 --> 00:56:31,814
and see what happens, when will
this spirit of the times happen?

1102
00:56:32,924 --> 00:56:35,685
But individually, we have a lot of power.

1103
00:56:35,685 --> 00:56:39,794
We've got a lot of ability to
influence that spirit of the times.

1104
00:56:40,185 --> 00:56:45,015
And I, I think of Daniel
Bofski, you know Daniel, um.

1105
00:56:46,290 --> 00:56:49,170
He called me up many years back.

1106
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:52,470
I'd love to have him on the podcast if he
could get his microphone figured out too.

1107
00:56:53,070 --> 00:56:56,190
But, uh, called me up many
years ago and says, Trav.

1108
00:56:56,340 --> 00:57:01,230
I'm a silver Court club member and
I'm having a hard time getting my, uh,

1109
00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:05,610
authorization to transport a restricted
firearm and my restricted firearms

1110
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:08,220
license renewed here in Ontario.

1111
00:57:09,555 --> 00:57:12,525
I, they say I have to belong to a
gun club arranged, I belong to the

1112
00:57:12,525 --> 00:57:17,385
Silver gu, silver Court Gun Club,
and you are an RCMP approved club.

1113
00:57:18,015 --> 00:57:22,815
So I started helping him and he is,
I think he's an accountant by trade,

1114
00:57:22,935 --> 00:57:24,885
so he is meticulous in his approach.

1115
00:57:25,155 --> 00:57:29,235
He's not a lawyer, but what he did is he
made a legal issue out of it, one person,

1116
00:57:29,775 --> 00:57:32,805
and he pushed the issue into the courts.

1117
00:57:33,015 --> 00:57:36,615
I think when he went to the courts, he
ended up getting another club membership

1118
00:57:36,615 --> 00:57:43,545
through Silverdale, if I'm not mistaken,
and, uh, used that as an expedience

1119
00:57:43,545 --> 00:57:47,325
point so that they couldn't argue the
fact that Silver Court is a federal club

1120
00:57:47,325 --> 00:57:49,095
and this one's now a provincial club.

1121
00:57:49,845 --> 00:57:53,265
But he pushed it and pushed it
and pushed it and came back with

1122
00:57:53,265 --> 00:57:55,335
a somewhat favorable result.

1123
00:57:55,365 --> 00:58:00,375
The judge says, yes, Chris
Wyatt, current head of OOPP and,

1124
00:58:01,005 --> 00:58:03,495
and, uh, head of the Ontario.

1125
00:58:03,815 --> 00:58:06,275
Um, firearms office there.

1126
00:58:06,665 --> 00:58:08,615
You issue him his license.

1127
00:58:08,615 --> 00:58:11,525
He, you have to issue him his
license and give him his at TT.

1128
00:58:11,705 --> 00:58:13,205
So Daniel left all happy.

1129
00:58:13,625 --> 00:58:15,214
Chris Wyatt says, yeah, not a problem.

1130
00:58:15,214 --> 00:58:15,875
We'll do that.

1131
00:58:15,875 --> 00:58:20,134
We've got this court order and
then tells Daniel, not a problem.

1132
00:58:20,134 --> 00:58:23,615
We'll, we're gonna issue your
at t as soon as you, uh, show

1133
00:58:23,615 --> 00:58:26,345
us your, your club membership in
the way that we want to see it.

1134
00:58:26,495 --> 00:58:27,725
Daniel says, hold on a second.

1135
00:58:27,725 --> 00:58:28,565
That's not what I said.

1136
00:58:28,565 --> 00:58:29,734
That's not what the court said.

1137
00:58:30,035 --> 00:58:32,165
Took him back and he lost on the appeal.

1138
00:58:32,525 --> 00:58:37,805
But a byproduct of that one
individual's efforts was that that

1139
00:58:37,805 --> 00:58:43,325
province removed the requirement
to belong to a gun club or a range.

1140
00:58:43,355 --> 00:58:46,565
They changed how they approach
things 'cause they didn't want that.

1141
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:47,865
Pushed further.

1142
00:58:48,495 --> 00:58:52,125
And I'm not saying the courts
are the proper mechanism for

1143
00:58:52,154 --> 00:58:53,384
individuals to move through.

1144
00:58:53,444 --> 00:58:57,464
They're expensive, they move slow, and
most often history has shown you're

1145
00:58:57,464 --> 00:58:59,205
not gonna get a favorable result.

1146
00:58:59,294 --> 00:59:05,595
However, how we comport ourselves,
how we help control the dialogue so

1147
00:59:05,595 --> 00:59:11,714
that the truth is getting out there
is something that's, that we're able

1148
00:59:11,714 --> 00:59:15,734
to do easier and easier through online
blogs, through podcasts like this,

1149
00:59:15,734 --> 00:59:17,085
through talking with your neighbor.

1150
00:59:17,294 --> 00:59:23,564
And that's the piece of the puzzle that I
think I would like to touch on further is

1151
00:59:23,654 --> 00:59:29,205
what can the masses the many do to help
affect a bit of a change in a way that's

1152
00:59:29,205 --> 00:59:34,095
gonna be positive for them, at least in
this one regard in the firearms arena.

1153
00:59:36,524 --> 00:59:37,484
It's an interesting question.

1154
00:59:37,875 --> 00:59:42,884
Um, 'cause it, it also brings up
something that I've thought about

1155
00:59:42,884 --> 00:59:44,595
in the, the days after the election.

1156
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:49,500
You know, comparing a game to those
old CGN days where gun owners in

1157
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:56,940
Canada had like literally one web
forum, uh, as this kind of solitary

1158
00:59:57,060 --> 01:00:01,650
platform upon which to have these
discussions and share ideas and whatnot.

1159
01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:06,450
We now have so many tools at our
disposal that, although especially in

1160
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:10,710
the last five years, we've been hit
pretty hard by regulatory changes.

1161
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:13,410
We as a community have
also never been stronger.

1162
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:18,240
Uh, all of the organizations
have grown tremendously.

1163
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,590
We even grew a third organization like
in, in the interceding years, we've, we've

1164
01:00:22,590 --> 01:00:24,540
gotten more organized than ever before.

1165
01:00:24,810 --> 01:00:28,110
Our gun clubs have an easier
time getting ahold of us.

1166
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:34,260
There's, there's a much bigger network
of gun owners and it's created a much

1167
01:00:34,260 --> 01:00:37,230
more informed gun owner in general.

1168
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:42,075
Um, I. W way back when we were
trying to get rid of the Long Gun

1169
01:00:42,075 --> 01:00:45,735
Registry, I would go to gun clubs
and I would hand out pamphlets.

1170
01:00:45,735 --> 01:00:46,665
'cause I was that guy.

1171
01:00:46,995 --> 01:00:47,985
This is before Caliber.

1172
01:00:47,985 --> 01:00:51,075
This was when Harper still had a
minority and we were trying to get it

1173
01:00:51,525 --> 01:00:53,835
Jack Layton's, NDP, to come on board.

1174
01:00:54,735 --> 01:00:56,714
And the pamphlets were super simple.

1175
01:00:56,714 --> 01:00:59,235
It was just basically like, this is why
I want get rid of the Long Gun Registry.

1176
01:00:59,325 --> 01:01:01,275
You know, go contact
your MP sort of thing.

1177
01:01:01,815 --> 01:01:06,585
And I would say at the time, probably
about 50% or more of the gun owners

1178
01:01:06,585 --> 01:01:10,694
that I would talk to would tell me
that the Long Gun Registry was a great

1179
01:01:10,694 --> 01:01:13,575
tool because it helped the police
catch criminals because they could

1180
01:01:13,904 --> 01:01:17,055
get the ballistics off of the bullet
and then run it through the registry.

1181
01:01:17,055 --> 01:01:20,235
And like then the guy from CSI
comes along and takes his sunglasses

1182
01:01:20,235 --> 01:01:21,855
off and he goes, it's that guy.

1183
01:01:22,485 --> 01:01:26,025
And I was like, that's not, I eventually
realized you can't convince these people.

1184
01:01:26,055 --> 01:01:28,125
'cause I kept being like, that's
not how any of this works.

1185
01:01:28,694 --> 01:01:29,085
Um, right.

1186
01:01:29,384 --> 01:01:32,115
But they were grossly
misinformed to be blunt.

1187
01:01:32,895 --> 01:01:33,254
Hmm.

1188
01:01:33,435 --> 01:01:35,774
That's not such a case these days.

1189
01:01:35,924 --> 01:01:38,625
Like when you go to the gun ranges and
you talk to people, you find people that

1190
01:01:38,625 --> 01:01:44,595
are quite aware of the bans and the effect
that they're going to have and stuff.

1191
01:01:45,524 --> 01:01:49,515
But at the same time, it's, it's
created this neural network of great

1192
01:01:49,515 --> 01:01:51,105
intelligence coming across the community.

1193
01:01:51,105 --> 01:01:54,495
It has also absolved every
one of personal responsibility

1194
01:01:55,455 --> 01:01:57,700
because back then we didn't have.

1195
01:01:58,770 --> 01:02:01,770
You know, there were organizations and
you could call them, you could pick

1196
01:02:01,770 --> 01:02:06,870
up the phone, you could talk to, you
know, the CSSA, the NFA, eventually

1197
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:09,510
the CCFR, but like, they weren't
places that you could just post a

1198
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:11,070
comment, fire, and forget, right.

1199
01:02:11,250 --> 01:02:12,450
You know, activism.

1200
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:15,810
Um, and because you had to get on
the phone, no one really bothered.

1201
01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:18,600
So it was kind of just more a case of,
well, the, the organizations would tell

1202
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,730
you, go meet with your mp, go do this.

1203
01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:22,410
We're doing a phone
drive, that sort of thing.

1204
01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:26,730
And there would be very real, like
24 hour phone drives where gun owners

1205
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:29,730
would just, everyone's gonna call their
mp and over the next 24 hours, the

1206
01:02:29,730 --> 01:02:32,250
liberal party's phones would ring off
the hooks and everyone would get really

1207
01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:35,940
frustrated and remember that everyone
would go on Cgn and be like, man, so

1208
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:37,590
and so-and-so's voicemail inbox is full.

1209
01:02:37,590 --> 01:02:38,790
Ha ha like jokes on him.

1210
01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:40,260
And like everyone enjoyed it.

1211
01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:45,600
That's what we need to get back to
doing now, is I think the liberal

1212
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,480
party has seen on a macro scale.

1213
01:02:49,154 --> 01:02:53,024
From, from the fact that, and I'm
basing this solely on the fact that

1214
01:02:53,024 --> 01:02:55,785
like, it doesn't seem like people
really want the gun ban anymore.

1215
01:02:55,845 --> 01:02:58,575
Like when I do an interview with the CBC
and even they're like, yeah, this gun ban

1216
01:02:58,575 --> 01:02:59,805
doesn't really seem like it makes sense.

1217
01:03:00,285 --> 01:03:04,035
Um, that's, that's kind of evidence
that like there's no media outlet

1218
01:03:04,035 --> 01:03:07,065
that's overly supportive of this except
for like maybe the ones in Montreal.

1219
01:03:07,785 --> 01:03:08,115
Hmm.

1220
01:03:09,285 --> 01:03:10,845
Now you need to apply the pressure.

1221
01:03:11,294 --> 01:03:16,935
If they are aware that this is no longer
a winning policy for them, they will not

1222
01:03:16,935 --> 01:03:22,875
change it unless they have incentive to
do so, or they're being pushed to do so.

1223
01:03:22,935 --> 01:03:25,935
If it's such a pain in the ass,
then they go, we're, we know that

1224
01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:27,464
we can gain votes by losing this.

1225
01:03:27,464 --> 01:03:31,185
And also too, these people are
being a giant pain in my ass.

1226
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:35,040
That's when they will start to actually
push things through the cabinet

1227
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,180
table and say, yeah, you know what?

1228
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,470
We could probably just find a compromise
and what that would probably look like.

1229
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:41,910
And I'm not saying this is what I want.

1230
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:44,100
'cause I would just like it all to
go away and we could just go back

1231
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,020
to the way things were, which is
what I think what most people want.

1232
01:03:46,350 --> 01:03:49,380
But there is, you know, within the
realm of politics, that's unlikely

1233
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:53,055
to happen to just completely, I
mean even with the carbon tax, Mark

1234
01:03:53,055 --> 01:03:54,240
Carney reduced the rate to zero.

1235
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,859
He did not get rid of the legislation.

1236
01:03:55,859 --> 01:03:57,241
Right, right, right.

1237
01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:00,240
What they could do is go
up, we'll grandfather them.

1238
01:04:00,390 --> 01:04:02,220
You can still use 'em, you can
keep 'em, we'll go back to the

1239
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:03,630
way the ban was sold to you.

1240
01:04:04,259 --> 01:04:06,540
You can keep them, you can use
them, but you can't sell them.

1241
01:04:07,230 --> 01:04:07,770
Okay, fine.

1242
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:11,009
That's even, that's easier to
walk back down the road because

1243
01:04:11,009 --> 01:04:12,150
now it's an incremental thing.

1244
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,460
A future conservative government
could come along and go like, well,

1245
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:15,779
everyone can keep them and use them.

1246
01:04:16,290 --> 01:04:17,460
It's silly that they can't sell them.

1247
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,290
Let's just make them legal again.

1248
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:19,589
Right.

1249
01:04:19,859 --> 01:04:21,690
It moves us closer to what we want.

1250
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:27,480
Um, and I think that's where gun
owners just need to take the personal

1251
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,880
responsibility and say, look like.

1252
01:04:31,005 --> 01:04:36,015
I know a lot of people are intimidated by
their MP because the constant media cycle

1253
01:04:36,015 --> 01:04:40,815
and the way things are portrayed, they
seem like people who, like, for example,

1254
01:04:40,815 --> 01:04:43,245
Mark Carney is someone's MP in Neon.

1255
01:04:43,515 --> 01:04:44,865
He's just their member of Parliament.

1256
01:04:45,495 --> 01:04:45,585
Mm-hmm.

1257
01:04:45,585 --> 01:04:48,645
The guy does have an
incredibly advanced resume.

1258
01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:53,565
You have every right in the world to sit
in his office, not be rude, but tell him

1259
01:04:54,405 --> 01:04:56,595
your gun policy is absolutely retarded.

1260
01:04:57,315 --> 01:04:58,575
Like, you should just stop this.

1261
01:04:58,575 --> 01:04:59,745
You don't know what you're talking about.

1262
01:04:59,775 --> 01:05:02,925
Like you, you know nothing about our
existing gun laws that you made this

1263
01:05:02,925 --> 01:05:05,625
law because you would've known this
is impossible to do because you don't

1264
01:05:05,625 --> 01:05:06,645
know where any of these guns are.

1265
01:05:07,305 --> 01:05:09,555
You can tell him you're gonna burn
money in perpetuity 'cause you

1266
01:05:09,555 --> 01:05:10,545
don't know where the guns are.

1267
01:05:10,545 --> 01:05:13,815
And you have no legal avenue to make
the people give them to you right away.

1268
01:05:13,815 --> 01:05:16,095
And even if you could, you still
wouldn't know who has them.

1269
01:05:16,095 --> 01:05:17,865
So you would never know
if you got them all.

1270
01:05:18,105 --> 01:05:22,785
Like there's no, there's no way to tick
the box that says gun buyback complete.

1271
01:05:23,205 --> 01:05:24,825
It's literally impossible.

1272
01:05:24,915 --> 01:05:27,975
No one knows how many there
are, so they can never go.

1273
01:05:28,035 --> 01:05:28,845
We've got them all.

1274
01:05:29,325 --> 01:05:29,745
So it's.

1275
01:05:30,090 --> 01:05:32,100
It is just programmed forever.

1276
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:36,930
You have every right to sit and tell
him that even though he's got Bank

1277
01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:40,920
of England on his resume and Bank
of Canada, like you have that right?

1278
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,080
And that means that every MP has
the obligation to listen to you.

1279
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:51,150
So if you're a gun owner, I think that
your obligation as a gun owner to the rest

1280
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:57,150
of you know, your kids, your community,
is to go down and just meet with your mp.

1281
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,420
Don't email them, don't do
something that they can ignore.

1282
01:06:00,810 --> 01:06:02,670
Say, I want to sit down and
have a meeting with you.

1283
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:08,430
There is policy that is dramatically
impacting my life and I, I intend

1284
01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:09,420
to speak with you about it.

1285
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,780
And again, don't be rude,
don't be derogatory.

1286
01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:17,640
But you can absolutely say
this is, this is stupid.

1287
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:19,740
It is beyond the realm of stupidity.

1288
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:22,050
And the best thing you
can do is roll it back.

1289
01:06:22,050 --> 01:06:25,320
I. Because I, I think like
that's, and that's the thing

1290
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:26,250
that everyone's just gotta do.

1291
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:26,640
I've done it.

1292
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,910
I've done it with mps and MLAs 'cause I
get involved in some provincial stuff too.

1293
01:06:30,330 --> 01:06:31,380
And it's quite satisfying.

1294
01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:34,080
And to be honest, you get more
done in a 15 minute meeting with

1295
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,840
an elected representative than
you do in three months of emails.

1296
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,000
'cause they'll never read the email.

1297
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,600
Eventually.

1298
01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:43,380
Like we can do the big email mass
drive thing that floods the inbox,

1299
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:47,010
which gives them the impression
of volume, which is really good.

1300
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:50,970
We can tie up their phone lines for a
day, which is good for the same reason.

1301
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:55,140
But the best thing is to be
the constituent that steps up,

1302
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,270
confronts them, and goes your
like hugely impacting my life.

1303
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:02,730
It has impacted my life
for the last five years.

1304
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,260
Please stop.

1305
01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:05,640
It's not benefiting anyone.

1306
01:07:06,945 --> 01:07:08,715
I think that's, it's as simple as that.

1307
01:07:08,715 --> 01:07:12,465
There's no, we can do lots of
other stuff, but that's all

1308
01:07:12,465 --> 01:07:14,085
secondary and tertiary things.

1309
01:07:14,085 --> 01:07:17,625
The first thing is to just,
they're your member of parliament.

1310
01:07:17,895 --> 01:07:22,365
You pay a metric buttload in taxes,
as we all just figured out recently.

1311
01:07:23,445 --> 01:07:26,924
You know, you fill out those CRA forms
when you send it off and look at all

1312
01:07:26,924 --> 01:07:29,355
the money that you gave to the CRA
guess who's getting some of that?

1313
01:07:29,355 --> 01:07:30,015
Your mp?

1314
01:07:30,195 --> 01:07:30,375
Mm-hmm.

1315
01:07:30,705 --> 01:07:32,805
Make them earn it, like mm-hmm.

1316
01:07:33,105 --> 01:07:33,855
You've paid them.

1317
01:07:34,035 --> 01:07:35,775
Why not get some value out of it?

1318
01:07:35,775 --> 01:07:35,985
Right.

1319
01:07:35,985 --> 01:07:37,665
Like it's, it's pretty simple.

1320
01:07:39,165 --> 01:07:40,665
And resources like this.

1321
01:07:40,665 --> 01:07:43,575
People listen to the podcast,
people reading your magazine.

1322
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,570
We'll help them approach your MP
in, in a more articulate way, in a

1323
01:07:48,570 --> 01:07:51,960
way where they can, 'cause there's
gonna be emotion and it's hard to

1324
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,920
separate emotion when you come up to
something like this emotion from fact.

1325
01:07:56,310 --> 01:07:59,490
And sometimes maybe it's not the
best to separate the emotion from the

1326
01:07:59,490 --> 01:08:03,690
fact, because if you try to fight an
emotional argument with simply Facts,

1327
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:06,135
well that doesn't really work too well.

1328
01:08:06,915 --> 01:08:10,860
But there is a way that individuals
can comport themselves, how they can

1329
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,260
couch a letter, how they can, uh, meet
with an MP and, uh, stay on point.

1330
01:08:16,260 --> 01:08:19,950
And that's the area that I think
that the gun organizations could

1331
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:24,630
be of real value is in talking
to their membership and saying.

1332
01:08:25,485 --> 01:08:28,425
Okay, let's have an
accountability, uh, check.

1333
01:08:28,455 --> 01:08:30,795
Who here has talked to
their, their local mp?

1334
01:08:31,245 --> 01:08:32,145
How did it go?

1335
01:08:32,205 --> 01:08:33,375
What worked, what didn't?

1336
01:08:33,495 --> 01:08:36,045
Here's some tools that you can
bring in when you talk and some

1337
01:08:36,045 --> 01:08:37,515
talking points that you can go off.

1338
01:08:37,545 --> 01:08:39,855
They're not all gonna be the same
if everyone comes in and says the

1339
01:08:39,855 --> 01:08:41,655
exact same thing over and over again.

1340
01:08:41,655 --> 01:08:42,015
Okay.

1341
01:08:42,015 --> 01:08:42,675
They're like, yeah, yeah.

1342
01:08:42,675 --> 01:08:46,245
I heard this one when Bob came in last,
or when Jane came in, she said the

1343
01:08:46,245 --> 01:08:47,985
same thing, but here's some issues.

1344
01:08:48,195 --> 01:08:52,605
Pick the one that you find is most
important to you within it, and here's

1345
01:08:52,605 --> 01:08:55,545
some, here's some fodder, here's
some facts that can go behind it,

1346
01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:56,745
or ways that you can approach it.

1347
01:08:56,775 --> 01:09:00,495
I think that would be an effective
way for the gun organizations to

1348
01:09:00,495 --> 01:09:03,255
help her help mobilize people.

1349
01:09:04,905 --> 01:09:05,310
Oh, for sure.

1350
01:09:05,330 --> 01:09:08,595
And I think that's the, like from
a top down and bottom up approach.

1351
01:09:08,625 --> 01:09:12,345
If, if you, me, Joe, gun owner is
at the bottom, best thing you can

1352
01:09:12,345 --> 01:09:13,695
do is just reach up to your mp.

1353
01:09:13,995 --> 01:09:16,065
It's the, the best sphere
you could influence.

1354
01:09:16,065 --> 01:09:16,725
So do that.

1355
01:09:17,415 --> 01:09:21,285
But from the, the top down,
the organizations, um.

1356
01:09:22,095 --> 01:09:25,425
I mean, there's nothing stopping them from
making appointments for their members.

1357
01:09:25,515 --> 01:09:28,215
Like they could, you know, they,
they could do an accountability

1358
01:09:28,215 --> 01:09:31,245
check where they could just go, do
you wanna make us, do you want us

1359
01:09:31,245 --> 01:09:32,355
to make an appointment with your mp?

1360
01:09:32,355 --> 01:09:32,595
Yes.

1361
01:09:32,595 --> 01:09:33,405
No, they know your name.

1362
01:09:33,405 --> 01:09:34,155
They know your address.

1363
01:09:34,515 --> 01:09:37,245
So they could then just go,
hi, we represent so and so

1364
01:09:37,665 --> 01:09:39,045
at Blobbity blah riding.

1365
01:09:39,045 --> 01:09:40,185
He would like to have a meeting with you.

1366
01:09:40,755 --> 01:09:41,835
When would you like to schedule it?

1367
01:09:41,895 --> 01:09:43,935
And then they just email the
member and go, okay, well you're

1368
01:09:43,935 --> 01:09:45,345
meeting with your MP at this time.

1369
01:09:45,825 --> 01:09:46,635
You know, does that work for you?

1370
01:09:46,635 --> 01:09:47,220
That's brilliant, Dan.

1371
01:09:47,505 --> 01:09:47,985
Just do it.

1372
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:48,540
That's brilliant.

1373
01:09:48,540 --> 01:09:50,925
Or, and then go to, you could,
you could download that as well.

1374
01:09:50,925 --> 01:09:54,135
'cause one thing that I will, I will
criticize our gun organizations for one

1375
01:09:54,135 --> 01:09:58,185
thing, and that is quite a few of them,
or I guess all of them, to be honest.

1376
01:09:58,725 --> 01:10:04,845
It's not that many of them, but they
all, uh, I'm not saying that they

1377
01:10:04,845 --> 01:10:09,945
exclusively focus on members, but they
almost exclusively focus on members.

1378
01:10:09,945 --> 01:10:10,035
Mm-hmm.

1379
01:10:10,545 --> 01:10:14,325
And good organizations don't do that Good.

1380
01:10:14,805 --> 01:10:17,415
What good organizations do
is they user members to speak

1381
01:10:17,415 --> 01:10:18,975
for everyone in that area.

1382
01:10:18,975 --> 01:10:20,685
Mm-hmm.

1383
01:10:20,686 --> 01:10:20,687
Um.

1384
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:24,420
There are, for example, a great
example would be the Royal

1385
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:25,710
Automobile Club in England.

1386
01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:31,260
Their membership is like, like,
like you gotta, you gotta have some

1387
01:10:31,530 --> 01:10:33,330
money to be in that club, right?

1388
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:37,950
But they try and advance all drivers.

1389
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:40,320
They not just their members.

1390
01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:44,820
And I think that's where the gun
organizations could make a lot of progress

1391
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,150
is saying to their members like, look,
yeah, we're gonna do this for you.

1392
01:10:48,150 --> 01:10:51,300
We'll make appointments for you, but
we're also gonna reach out to all of

1393
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:54,510
the gun clubs members are not, and
we're gonna offer them the same service.

1394
01:10:55,170 --> 01:10:55,260
Mm-hmm.

1395
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:57,420
Because A, they get more
members who just make sense.

1396
01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:01,590
But also two, it's, it's, I
don't know why it is, but yeah,

1397
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:04,380
they're so focused on just kind
of working with their memberships

1398
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:06,750
and not getting out beyond that.

1399
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:11,310
Um, that I think would also be a really
good step for them 'cause it would

1400
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:13,410
amplify their voices quite a lot.

1401
01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:16,380
'cause right now they kind of just
purport to speak for the people

1402
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:18,120
who have paid them the annual fee.

1403
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,440
Mm-hmm.

1404
01:11:20,415 --> 01:11:24,945
But they, there's nothing stopping them
from expanding out into a much broader

1405
01:11:24,975 --> 01:11:30,855
perspective and saying, yeah, we have,
you know, 40,000 members, but because of

1406
01:11:30,855 --> 01:11:36,585
the work we do with people who are not
members, we can now kind of com purport

1407
01:11:36,585 --> 01:11:38,355
to speak for all gun owners, you know?

1408
01:11:38,835 --> 01:11:43,725
Um, and I think especially with the,
the hunters and stuff that's, that

1409
01:11:43,725 --> 01:11:48,135
would be something that would be quite
effective if they were to, you know,

1410
01:11:48,495 --> 01:11:52,485
perhaps I don't, and this is beyond my
like stuff, but like they could work

1411
01:11:52,485 --> 01:11:57,885
with BC Wildlife Federation or Offa, um,
to kind of bridge a gap and recognize

1412
01:11:57,885 --> 01:11:59,115
like, we're gonna spend some money.

1413
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:02,940
On these wildlife federations on
some of the stuff they're doing.

1414
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:04,980
'cause we support what they're
doing and, and we think our members

1415
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:08,910
do too, that would then give them
that, that credibility that when

1416
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:11,850
they approach government they go,
yeah, we do, we have 40,000 members.

1417
01:12:11,850 --> 01:12:17,130
We represent people like the BCWF
membership, offa membership sport

1418
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:19,350
shooters, like much broader in scope.

1419
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:20,880
So I'd like to see them do that.

1420
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:25,830
But I think also to really,
like I said previously, some,

1421
01:12:25,860 --> 01:12:27,720
some straight up tactical stuff.

1422
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:37,650
'cause I've not seen a ton of actionable
work, like from any of 'em going, okay, so

1423
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:43,110
here's, so we sent out this thing asking
and we made, you know, 25,000 appointments

1424
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:45,390
between members and our, their mps.

1425
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:48,690
We did that and I would go, wow, like
I'm, I'm guessing what half of the

1426
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:51,750
people forgot the appointment existed and
didn't go to the meeting with their mp.

1427
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:52,320
But that's life.

1428
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,550
But you still got half of those.

1429
01:12:53,804 --> 01:12:56,025
Which is better than the zero
that we're currently getting.

1430
01:12:56,504 --> 01:12:56,894
Um.

1431
01:12:56,955 --> 01:12:57,105
Mm-hmm.

1432
01:12:57,735 --> 01:13:01,544
But they really are, they're
not, I don't see them using

1433
01:13:02,714 --> 01:13:04,094
their members in the same way.

1434
01:13:04,094 --> 01:13:08,535
It is, it does seem to be a bit more
of the, you pay us and we'll represent

1435
01:13:08,535 --> 01:13:13,094
you instead of you're a member of our
organization and we're gonna give you the

1436
01:13:13,094 --> 01:13:19,004
tools and empower you to do the advocacy
that we are also doing on a macro scale.

1437
01:13:20,775 --> 01:13:21,044
Yeah.

1438
01:13:21,044 --> 01:13:24,224
The using of members, I've seen some
of the organizations essentially

1439
01:13:24,224 --> 01:13:30,285
weaponize their members, but more in a
recruitment driving fashion as opposed to,

1440
01:13:30,375 --> 01:13:34,695
or in a negative way where they put
out some information and knowing full

1441
01:13:34,695 --> 01:13:38,804
well that it's going to result in
like a cavalcade of brigade comments

1442
01:13:38,804 --> 01:13:41,264
or angry emails to people mm-hmm.

1443
01:13:41,504 --> 01:13:41,684
That don't.

1444
01:13:41,684 --> 01:13:42,555
Really deserve it.

1445
01:13:42,615 --> 01:13:46,275
Like, you know, there, there was, there's
been a few cases of that where it's

1446
01:13:46,275 --> 01:13:49,005
like, you know, someone's just trying
to do a job and I don't like it, I don't

1447
01:13:49,005 --> 01:13:51,795
like the result of what they're doing,
but like, it's just their nine to five.

1448
01:13:52,485 --> 01:13:52,575
Mm-hmm.

1449
01:13:53,055 --> 01:13:56,205
They don't need to be
inundated with hatred over it.

1450
01:13:56,775 --> 01:13:59,805
Um, and it's tactically not sound.

1451
01:14:01,845 --> 01:14:06,405
And in the long term too, it's just, it
doesn't benefit advocacy organizations.

1452
01:14:06,495 --> 01:14:09,825
They never benefit from,
from destruction, ever.

1453
01:14:09,915 --> 01:14:10,485
Like Right.

1454
01:14:11,175 --> 01:14:13,815
You look at Ducks Unlimited and, and
the really successful organizations

1455
01:14:13,815 --> 01:14:17,144
over the years, doctors the Borders,
like they build things, they build

1456
01:14:17,144 --> 01:14:19,365
better things than they previously had.

1457
01:14:19,845 --> 01:14:23,355
Uh, and it's never done by
tearing down other entities.

1458
01:14:23,355 --> 01:14:25,665
It's always through
collaboration and support.

1459
01:14:26,175 --> 01:14:30,765
Um, and you just don't see that's,
I hope we need, I hope we see more

1460
01:14:30,765 --> 01:14:32,235
of that in the next little bit.

1461
01:14:33,285 --> 01:14:34,184
I'm not optimistic.

1462
01:14:34,184 --> 01:14:34,530
I, I think that's a strong,

1463
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:38,684
I think it's a strong indicator
that people can be looking at.

1464
01:14:38,684 --> 01:14:42,315
I mean, I. People want to savior
people want somebody to come

1465
01:14:42,315 --> 01:14:43,515
in and say, it's gonna be okay.

1466
01:14:44,144 --> 01:14:47,445
I give you the my money, they're gonna
go out, they're gonna do their thing.

1467
01:14:47,475 --> 01:14:49,635
I've done my part, we're gonna be fixed.

1468
01:14:49,935 --> 01:14:53,205
That seems to be the sentiment and
that's reinforced by some of the

1469
01:14:53,205 --> 01:14:58,425
organizations, uh, through the fear-based,
if you don't donate, we're doomed.

1470
01:14:58,575 --> 01:14:58,725
Right?

1471
01:14:59,175 --> 01:15:01,635
More, more money, then we can do things.

1472
01:15:03,735 --> 01:15:07,155
But, you know, I've had the chance to
peek behind the curtains on some of the

1473
01:15:07,155 --> 01:15:11,535
organizations and some of the wildlife
organizations and these different

1474
01:15:11,535 --> 01:15:18,045
groups and seeing how they try and, uh,
mesh together to reach a unified goal.

1475
01:15:19,155 --> 01:15:20,595
And a lot of egos get involved.

1476
01:15:21,285 --> 01:15:24,285
You know, it always comes down to the
same things, money and power or perception

1477
01:15:24,285 --> 01:15:25,665
of money and perception of power.

1478
01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:31,785
And it seemed, I, I think members
should be demanding a higher level of

1479
01:15:31,785 --> 01:15:36,915
transparency from where their money is
going within an organization and how

1480
01:15:36,915 --> 01:15:38,865
the efforts are being actually used.

1481
01:15:38,865 --> 01:15:43,305
Not in an anecdotal where we are so
transparent parent and anyone can

1482
01:15:43,305 --> 01:15:47,025
ask for things, but in an actual
way where it's, it's tangible

1483
01:15:47,025 --> 01:15:48,225
where you can actually see it.

1484
01:15:48,225 --> 01:15:51,525
And if you wanted the, uh, the things
that are being, they say they're being

1485
01:15:51,525 --> 01:15:57,315
transparent about, they're out in the
open because I, I think, I think we have

1486
01:15:57,315 --> 01:16:03,045
something here in Canada that can be quite
successful, but we have to change the

1487
01:16:03,045 --> 01:16:07,725
conversation and we have to change this
paradigm that we're stuck in of infighting

1488
01:16:07,785 --> 01:16:15,255
and, uh, people abro getting control
to a, just to a third party to solve

1489
01:16:15,255 --> 01:16:16,875
their issues for them and walking away.

1490
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:26,190
Yeah, it's, um, I, I wanna say it's
kind of, it's, it's bizarre, uh, for me.

1491
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,480
'cause like, I'm not naturally that way,
but I mean, even if, like, even being

1492
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:35,429
involved on a low, low level, like on a
gun club board, like how I was president

1493
01:16:35,429 --> 01:16:41,550
here of a club in Kelowna for a while
and, you know, I guess I think I've said

1494
01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:43,860
it before and I don't know if it's a
shocker to the people listening, but like,

1495
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,690
I don't really shoot for fun anymore.

1496
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,880
It stopped being fun some time ago.

1497
01:16:47,940 --> 01:16:48,900
This is my job now.

1498
01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:53,429
Um, I think that's a bit of a, uh,
a strength when it comes to me doing

1499
01:16:53,429 --> 01:16:56,099
media stuff because I, if someone's
like, you love guns, they're like, no,

1500
01:16:56,099 --> 01:16:57,509
I actually really love motorcycles.

1501
01:16:57,599 --> 01:16:58,889
But you were close.

1502
01:16:59,370 --> 01:17:00,929
Um, they're both loud, I suppose.

1503
01:17:01,469 --> 01:17:04,950
Um, I feel passionately about
guns and I feel very passionately

1504
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:06,000
about the policy around them.

1505
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:11,400
To me, they're more about what firearms
and how a country handles them, what

1506
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,900
it says about the country and how it.

1507
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,450
How it feels about its own citizens.

1508
01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:17,130
So they're hugely important.

1509
01:17:17,130 --> 01:17:19,290
I don't want to, you know,
I'm, I'm not walking it back.

1510
01:17:19,290 --> 01:17:22,080
I'm saying they're hugely
important, but it's work for me.

1511
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:22,170
Sure.

1512
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:24,630
So when I was running the gun
club, I kind of fell into it.

1513
01:17:25,050 --> 01:17:27,030
So I moved to Kelowna
like eight years ago.

1514
01:17:27,090 --> 01:17:29,190
I think I've told you the story,
but it was kind of comical.

1515
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:32,220
Chris Weber here who works at Weber
and Mark and Gunsmith, he's the

1516
01:17:32,220 --> 01:17:37,470
Weber part, in case anyone's curious,
um, he, I've known him before.

1517
01:17:37,470 --> 01:17:42,180
He's a very tall, large, kind
of grumpy German guy, and.

1518
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:46,170
When I moved up here, I went to a
shop, we chatted, we hung out, had

1519
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:48,434
lunch, you know, he's like, Hey,
you should come out to the, the Joe

1520
01:17:48,434 --> 01:17:50,460
Rich Club Ag GM, and I went off.

1521
01:17:50,670 --> 01:17:51,390
I mean, sure, why not?

1522
01:17:51,390 --> 01:17:52,920
That sounds like the club that I'll join.

1523
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:56,250
I'll, I'll go pay my money, go
to the club, go to the Ag gm.

1524
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:57,900
There's like 12 people in the room.

1525
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,080
The president basically goes, well,
we have like three grand of the bank.

1526
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,130
We'll be broke next month.

1527
01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:03,750
Uh, I'm not gonna be president again.

1528
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:04,710
Who wants to be president?

1529
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:05,700
And no one stuck their hand up.

1530
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:07,890
And I'm sitting there going,
what the hell have I gotten in?

1531
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:08,610
Okay.

1532
01:18:08,610 --> 01:18:11,550
And then eventually they did the one
call, two call, then the third call.

1533
01:18:11,550 --> 01:18:13,440
Chris goes, I, I nominate Daniel Fritter.

1534
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:15,840
And they're like, I had
never been on the property.

1535
01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:17,400
I'd never even seen the club.

1536
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:19,380
I had paid for a membership
like two weeks prior.

1537
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:23,130
Everyone turns around in the room,
looks at me, and I'm like, I don't

1538
01:18:23,130 --> 01:18:24,750
know who any of these people are.

1539
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:27,570
Like, I don't, I don't even know
where this frigging place is.

1540
01:18:28,140 --> 01:18:29,790
I know it's up Highway 33.

1541
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:30,360
That's it.

1542
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,710
So like, I fall into this
position and it went really well.

1543
01:18:35,070 --> 01:18:36,570
But what I learned was that.

1544
01:18:38,175 --> 01:18:41,775
I think when I was in a lot of
those meetings, my only goal was

1545
01:18:41,775 --> 01:18:45,435
to build a shooting facility for
people in the Okanagan period.

1546
01:18:45,615 --> 01:18:45,855
Hmm.

1547
01:18:46,155 --> 01:18:48,975
I don't shoot for fun, so I don't really
care if it's the 300 meter range, the a

1548
01:18:48,975 --> 01:18:50,175
hundred meter range, the 50 meter range.

1549
01:18:50,355 --> 01:18:52,605
It was, which range do
people use the most?

1550
01:18:52,695 --> 01:18:54,555
That's the one we should
spend the money on right now.

1551
01:18:55,335 --> 01:18:55,605
Hmm.

1552
01:18:56,595 --> 01:19:00,765
That attitude is unfortunately
not super common.

1553
01:19:01,575 --> 01:19:01,815
No.

1554
01:19:01,845 --> 01:19:05,055
Because as every gun member knows there's
been involved in a gun club, there'll

1555
01:19:05,055 --> 01:19:08,655
be people that go, well, I really like
shooting at 300, so we should invest

1556
01:19:08,655 --> 01:19:10,305
all of our money in the 300 meter range.

1557
01:19:11,085 --> 01:19:16,515
There's no collectivism, there's no
sense of we're here for the people down

1558
01:19:16,515 --> 01:19:20,475
the road, or we're here for the other
person before the before ourselves.

1559
01:19:20,895 --> 01:19:25,575
And I think that's where
people need to be asking their

1560
01:19:25,575 --> 01:19:27,915
organizations like, are you if

1561
01:19:30,315 --> 01:19:34,485
is what you're doing for your
organization or is it for gun owners?

1562
01:19:35,085 --> 01:19:35,565
Period.

1563
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:35,790
Mm-hmm.

1564
01:19:36,495 --> 01:19:38,205
Is it looking to grow your organization?

1565
01:19:38,205 --> 01:19:41,685
Which is, it is a very noble goal 'cause
organizations do need to have memberships

1566
01:19:41,685 --> 01:19:48,195
and be big to have a good voice, but they
also need to be putting as much or more

1567
01:19:48,195 --> 01:19:54,585
effort into initiatives that move the
ball forward for gun owners in real ways.

1568
01:19:55,305 --> 01:19:55,515
Mm-hmm.

1569
01:19:55,755 --> 01:20:01,305
Um, and I think that's the one
where it's, you don't, there there

1570
01:20:01,305 --> 01:20:02,565
are things, they're all doing it.

1571
01:20:02,565 --> 01:20:04,725
'cause again, I'm sure there will be
people that hear this and think, I'm

1572
01:20:04,725 --> 01:20:06,195
speaking of individual organizations.

1573
01:20:06,345 --> 01:20:07,455
They all do this.

1574
01:20:07,515 --> 01:20:08,205
They all do it.

1575
01:20:08,205 --> 01:20:08,595
It's true.

1576
01:20:09,225 --> 01:20:10,815
They all do it in varying ways.

1577
01:20:10,875 --> 01:20:14,355
Like every organization has at times
done a phenomenal job of something

1578
01:20:14,625 --> 01:20:15,735
that is great for gun owners.

1579
01:20:15,855 --> 01:20:18,855
They have all done stuff that is
extremely self-serving at other times.

1580
01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:21,375
'cause nothing is perfect and that's life.

1581
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:26,535
But what people and gun owners need to do
is push for more and better and say, look

1582
01:20:26,535 --> 01:20:30,315
like we do deserve organizations that do.

1583
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,190
Not just well or better than the other
organization, but do properly good work.

1584
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:40,050
There are a ton of gun
owners in this country.

1585
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:41,250
There is a, there's a lot.

1586
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:44,940
And I think the fact that none of our
gun organizations have ever gotten really

1587
01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:48,150
huge memberships, even though there are
millions of gun owners in the country,

1588
01:20:48,690 --> 01:20:54,720
which are very accessible, is largely
because they're, they're not, they're not

1589
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,430
doing the things of reaching out to other
organizations, meshing with them so that

1590
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:01,710
they can expand their own sort of reach.

1591
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:04,740
Um, and, and I guess their own, I'm
trying to think of the word, but

1592
01:21:04,740 --> 01:21:08,010
like basically what they represent.

1593
01:21:09,105 --> 01:21:13,634
It's almost like they've all become
hyper distilled into these very small

1594
01:21:13,634 --> 01:21:17,865
organizations that represent very
specific things about gun ownership.

1595
01:21:17,865 --> 01:21:18,764
Maybe it's mm-hmm.

1596
01:21:19,005 --> 01:21:22,424
That they represent, you know, a
regional area or they represent, you

1597
01:21:22,424 --> 01:21:26,115
know, and I guess it's their name, but
shooting sports, you know, there'll be

1598
01:21:26,115 --> 01:21:28,485
organizations where it's like everyone
thinks that's what they represent.

1599
01:21:28,965 --> 01:21:32,804
Like the CSSA Canadian Shooting
Sports Association grew out of

1600
01:21:32,804 --> 01:21:34,455
the Ontario Handgun Association.

1601
01:21:34,905 --> 01:21:38,894
So you get a regional tie and then you
get a specific tie to pistol shooting that

1602
01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:44,655
grows into a shooting sports association,
which they represent gun owners of

1603
01:21:44,655 --> 01:21:46,634
every strike with their membership.

1604
01:21:46,634 --> 01:21:50,325
But like, you know, the name is, is
something that people kind of go there

1605
01:21:50,325 --> 01:21:55,424
for shooting sports, other organizations
that are a bit more on the rights side

1606
01:21:55,424 --> 01:21:59,835
of things, which comes with a whole
political set of problems for advocacy.

1607
01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:02,054
That's troublesome, but like.

1608
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:08,670
There's no, like, as much as they're
vilified and as much as they have

1609
01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:14,760
huge problems related to money and
power, the nras program is huge.

1610
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,050
Like when you go through what the
NRA does from legal battles at state

1611
01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:22,950
levels to their Junior Eagle program
or whatever it's called, for like Kids

1612
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:28,800
Gun safety, Eddie, Eddie Eagle, it is
a wide range of stuff that they do that

1613
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:34,470
supports gun owners that are maybe not
NRA members, period like, but that's

1614
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:36,840
what allows them to be the NRA if.

1615
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,800
If a gun organization Canada wants
to truly be the NRA of Canada,

1616
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,480
they need to do those things.

1617
01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:45,210
They need to go to school boards
in remote areas and say, Hey, look,

1618
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:48,210
we have a program for gun safety.

1619
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,070
You are in a rural area.

1620
01:22:50,490 --> 01:22:52,620
Gun ownership is a very high rate here.

1621
01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:59,640
We can send someone along that can do this
to your grade 12 class that can show them

1622
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:02,820
that if they come across the gun, how to
handle it safely, what to do, et cetera.

1623
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:03,420
You know?

1624
01:23:03,425 --> 01:23:03,735
Mm-hmm.

1625
01:23:03,835 --> 01:23:07,230
We have this, we've got it through
ba we, we've talked to the advisors,

1626
01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:08,670
we've got people to sign off on it.

1627
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:11,910
We've got the pediatrician signature
here, it's best practice has been

1628
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:13,110
followed, et cetera, et cetera.

1629
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,200
Do the necessary steps to
get a school board to Yes.

1630
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:22,320
On that, while also taking a court case
to a judge while also trying to get people

1631
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,820
to make appointments with their mps.

1632
01:23:23,940 --> 01:23:26,190
Like that's, that's what
they should be doing.

1633
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,130
Um, but,

1634
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,330
you know, and you know how simple that is.

1635
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:33,570
Like a lot of these things
can be, can be automated.

1636
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:37,980
I mean, if you want to have appointments
with nps, you can leverage AI in order

1637
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:43,230
to organize schedules, calendars, call
outs, emails, whatever it might be.

1638
01:23:43,230 --> 01:23:46,920
Like these are really simple initiatives
that, that can move the needle.

1639
01:23:47,730 --> 01:23:47,910
Yeah.

1640
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:48,090
I mean.

1641
01:23:49,125 --> 01:23:50,145
You could automate the whole thing.

1642
01:23:50,355 --> 01:23:53,535
We used to have the email machine that,
I can't remember who made it, but uh,

1643
01:23:54,165 --> 01:23:56,895
there was a system where he would do,
like, you wanted to email your mp, you

1644
01:23:56,895 --> 01:24:00,465
pressed on a button and it just, like, it
was, again, this is going back to cg, you

1645
01:24:00,465 --> 01:24:04,755
pressed on a button and it just opened
your email client into your MP and it was

1646
01:24:04,755 --> 01:24:07,515
like you just write whatever you want or
read a form letter that you just copy.

1647
01:24:07,965 --> 01:24:10,455
And it's stuff like that where there could
just be a portal where like maybe they

1648
01:24:10,455 --> 01:24:13,455
make the appointment for you or maybe they
just send you a link with a button and

1649
01:24:13,455 --> 01:24:17,265
you click on it and voila, there's a form
letter in your email client or you copy

1650
01:24:17,265 --> 01:24:21,405
paste it in of, hi, I'd like to meet with
you, what time is available, et cetera.

1651
01:24:21,465 --> 01:24:24,705
You know, and it is really,
really easy stuff to do.

1652
01:24:25,065 --> 01:24:29,415
Um, I struggle with it as well from
the perspective that, you know, the

1653
01:24:29,415 --> 01:24:32,325
organizations are the only people that
can rely on volunteers to do this.

1654
01:24:32,535 --> 01:24:33,855
The rest of us have to pay people.

1655
01:24:34,095 --> 01:24:35,025
So, right.

1656
01:24:35,025 --> 01:24:38,205
It'd be when, when you can have volunteers
that are doing this stuff for you on a

1657
01:24:38,205 --> 01:24:42,465
volunteer basis, which it's, I don't say
that to denigrate it 'cause it's awesome.

1658
01:24:42,465 --> 01:24:44,625
Like that's what makes
this system work, right?

1659
01:24:44,925 --> 01:24:45,105
Yes.

1660
01:24:45,135 --> 01:24:47,655
But it's also what drives
further volunteerism.

1661
01:24:48,315 --> 01:24:49,155
If some guy mm-hmm.

1662
01:24:49,395 --> 01:24:51,945
Is, oh, well I can do code
and, and computer programming.

1663
01:24:51,945 --> 01:24:56,055
I can make a website for you that
will automate people clicking

1664
01:24:56,055 --> 01:24:59,415
on the link, figuring out where,
you know, accept your location.

1665
01:24:59,415 --> 01:25:00,615
Yes, this is where I am.

1666
01:25:00,645 --> 01:25:01,695
This is your mp.

1667
01:25:01,695 --> 01:25:02,685
Fire off the email.

1668
01:25:03,495 --> 01:25:07,365
If they see the number of emails going
through that system, they're satisfied.

1669
01:25:07,365 --> 01:25:08,565
They go, that was good work.

1670
01:25:08,715 --> 01:25:10,155
And now they're more likely to volunteer.

1671
01:25:10,155 --> 01:25:13,875
They tell their friends and that's how
the organizations blossom in really

1672
01:25:14,205 --> 01:25:18,825
organic ways compared to, you know, the
kind of just beat you over the face.

1673
01:25:18,825 --> 01:25:22,635
Donate, donate, donate, uh,
thing, which, you know, I'm

1674
01:25:22,635 --> 01:25:24,045
pretty exhausted with personally.

1675
01:25:25,335 --> 01:25:25,995
A hundred percent.

1676
01:25:26,685 --> 01:25:27,285
Um.

1677
01:25:28,185 --> 01:25:31,665
That was one of the things on my checklist
that I wanted to touch on without pointing

1678
01:25:31,665 --> 01:25:33,675
fingers at anyone in in particular.

1679
01:25:33,735 --> 01:25:35,685
'cause like you say, we could do that.

1680
01:25:36,405 --> 01:25:39,285
They've done good, they've done
bad, but we can all do better.

1681
01:25:39,765 --> 01:25:44,715
Uh, the biggest thing though is the
individuals and their ability to hold

1682
01:25:44,715 --> 01:25:48,465
their organizations accountable and what
they can actually do to affect change.

1683
01:25:48,525 --> 01:25:52,755
And number one on my list I put together
here was get politically literate.

1684
01:25:53,055 --> 01:25:56,745
And you're one of the more
politically literate people I know.

1685
01:25:57,285 --> 01:26:01,545
Like subscribe to Caliber Meg,
listen to you got a YouTube channel.

1686
01:26:01,605 --> 01:26:03,375
Listen to the podcast that we do together.

1687
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:04,605
They tend to do quite well.

1688
01:26:04,815 --> 01:26:09,525
I ask the stupid questions, you come back
with an articulate answer as to great.

1689
01:26:09,525 --> 01:26:11,625
So we we can figure these things out.

1690
01:26:12,255 --> 01:26:15,345
Um, normalizing firearms ownership.

1691
01:26:15,345 --> 01:26:16,725
That's another thing I put down there.

1692
01:26:16,785 --> 01:26:19,215
Um, you know, don't, don't take the bait.

1693
01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:20,265
Why does anyone need to know?

1694
01:26:20,325 --> 01:26:21,105
Own a gun.

1695
01:26:21,165 --> 01:26:23,805
Maybe just flip the script,
change the conversation.

1696
01:26:23,805 --> 01:26:26,565
There's, there's no reason why we can't.

1697
01:26:27,555 --> 01:26:29,085
Firearms ownership is normal.

1698
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,065
It, it just is, it's like
car ownership is normal.

1699
01:26:34,485 --> 01:26:41,775
Um, it's how we talk about it and how we,
uh, comport ourself that quote unquote

1700
01:26:41,865 --> 01:26:44,205
normalizes it in the, in the public eye.

1701
01:26:45,465 --> 01:26:46,665
I've got a whole list of things here.

1702
01:26:46,665 --> 01:26:48,945
I think maybe what I'll do is
I'll point form them off and

1703
01:26:48,945 --> 01:26:50,115
we can talk about that after.

1704
01:26:50,115 --> 01:26:55,575
In the, uh, in the Silver Core clubs, uh,
we've got a private podcast through there.

1705
01:26:55,665 --> 01:26:59,025
And, um, just, just a quick point
form, people can look at that

1706
01:26:59,025 --> 01:27:00,285
if they, they're interested.

1707
01:27:01,395 --> 01:27:03,465
Is there anything else that we
should be talking about that

1708
01:27:03,465 --> 01:27:05,025
we haven't talked about so far?

1709
01:27:06,615 --> 01:27:09,795
I think the one thing that I would say,
since you mentioned that thing about,

1710
01:27:09,915 --> 01:27:13,335
you know, who needs a gun, and it kind of
triggered something in me, 'cause that's

1711
01:27:13,335 --> 01:27:14,865
a pretty triggering phrase these days.

1712
01:27:14,865 --> 01:27:16,095
But sure.

1713
01:27:16,365 --> 01:27:19,455
That people should like,
think about these things.

1714
01:27:21,465 --> 01:27:23,145
It sounds dumb, but just
think about these things.

1715
01:27:23,145 --> 01:27:26,595
Don't just parrot back the comments
that you've heard other people say,

1716
01:27:26,655 --> 01:27:29,295
like you're an individual person.

1717
01:27:29,835 --> 01:27:33,015
And unfortunately because Canada
is 40 million people in the

1718
01:27:33,015 --> 01:27:35,055
States is like 440 million people.

1719
01:27:35,445 --> 01:27:39,405
Our media space, be it on social
media or on any streaming service or

1720
01:27:39,405 --> 01:27:43,335
TV or whatever, however you consume
your media, is hugely influenced

1721
01:27:43,335 --> 01:27:49,395
by the US culture, which I think
is, uh, I don't like it personally.

1722
01:27:49,545 --> 01:27:51,795
Not that I don't like American
culture, but I don't like that

1723
01:27:51,855 --> 01:27:57,105
Canadian culture has been so subsumed
by American culture and in few areas.

1724
01:27:57,105 --> 01:27:58,725
Is that more true than gun culture?

1725
01:27:58,785 --> 01:28:05,085
'cause although Canadians did, you know,
a few years ago, going back like the 20

1726
01:28:05,085 --> 01:28:08,505
years ago, they, they had a weird attitude
around guns and were kind of misinformed.

1727
01:28:10,425 --> 01:28:12,495
There was a unique Canadian gun culture.

1728
01:28:12,585 --> 01:28:14,625
We, we shot things like visa at 50 eights.

1729
01:28:14,835 --> 01:28:18,105
We really proud of the fact that we got
to divorces before the Americans did.

1730
01:28:18,525 --> 01:28:19,125
Um, right.

1731
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:23,430
A lot of Canadians were proud of the
fact, like when I say that at some

1732
01:28:23,430 --> 01:28:28,410
point we'll probably reach a, an
intersection where gun ownership and

1733
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:32,040
public safety, IE like a crime happens
and people see it as a reason to

1734
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,570
own a gun rather than not own a gun.

1735
01:28:34,290 --> 01:28:36,150
Unless the trajectory
changes, we will get there.

1736
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:37,140
I don't like that.

1737
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:39,780
I actually liked it better when
Canadians could go, you don't need

1738
01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:42,660
a gun for self-defense because
crime here was so uncommon.

1739
01:28:42,690 --> 01:28:43,770
That was a great thing.

1740
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:48,030
Um, it, it sounds great to
carry a gun for self-defense.

1741
01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:49,560
It sounds super cool and badass.

1742
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,370
It sounds like John Wick.

1743
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:52,650
Then you realize it's five
pounds you gotta carry around

1744
01:28:52,650 --> 01:28:54,030
on a sweaty day in July.

1745
01:28:54,090 --> 01:28:54,685
It's not mm-hmm.

1746
01:28:54,765 --> 01:28:56,790
It's not that awesome in
the reality of things.

1747
01:28:56,795 --> 01:28:56,845
No.

1748
01:28:58,020 --> 01:28:59,220
It's better if you don't need to sit down.

1749
01:28:59,730 --> 01:28:59,970
Yeah.

1750
01:29:00,090 --> 01:29:00,390
Yeah.

1751
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:02,520
Like it's, it's just, it's
better if you don't need to.

1752
01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:06,240
So I think it's, Canadians
think about our own gun culture.

1753
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,920
So when someone says, well,
why do you need a gun?

1754
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:15,990
A, one of the biggest problems with
us gun culture is it's combative.

1755
01:29:16,995 --> 01:29:20,775
Because it comes from that
defensive perspective, and it's a

1756
01:29:20,775 --> 01:29:23,955
bilateral system with two parties,
so it's naturally compatible.

1757
01:29:23,955 --> 01:29:27,764
You have one party that doesn't like
guns, one's that does hates guns, one's

1758
01:29:27,764 --> 01:29:29,415
that like guns, and they just fight.

1759
01:29:29,775 --> 01:29:32,775
And a lot of the talking points that
you see around guns are engineered

1760
01:29:32,775 --> 01:29:34,634
around that combative perspective.

1761
01:29:35,804 --> 01:29:39,674
Canada is getting that way, but
I would really prefer it didn't.

1762
01:29:39,674 --> 01:29:41,924
So try and find common ground with people.

1763
01:29:41,924 --> 01:29:43,995
If someone's saying like,
well, why do you need a gun?

1764
01:29:44,235 --> 01:29:47,054
We'll start to, instead of, okay,
so they have an issue with guns.

1765
01:29:47,174 --> 01:29:49,335
So if you bring up gun stuff,
you're, well, why do you need wine?

1766
01:29:50,025 --> 01:29:51,794
Well, A, you sound like
a dickhead, first of all.

1767
01:29:52,304 --> 01:29:52,428
Yeah, because like, yeah, yeah.

1768
01:29:52,995 --> 01:29:53,804
No one likes that.

1769
01:29:54,165 --> 01:29:55,754
But B, ignore the gun entirely.

1770
01:29:55,754 --> 01:29:59,835
Say, well, I do you think we, we should
legislate around perceptions of necessity.

1771
01:30:00,330 --> 01:30:02,400
Mm. Is that a great thing
for a country to do?

1772
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,485
Because now you're into
legislative fairness and mm-hmm.

1773
01:30:05,570 --> 01:30:08,940
And basic citizenship and you know,
why does one person's perception

1774
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:10,950
of necessity mean it should
be illegal and someone else's?

1775
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:12,090
Doesn't it?

1776
01:30:12,090 --> 01:30:15,480
It allows you to find common
ground where if you both go, Hey,

1777
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:19,320
it seems fair that if I think is
something is unnecessary, I probably

1778
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,640
shouldn't be able to make it illegal.

1779
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,870
And if you think something is unnecessary,
then you probably shouldn't as well.

1780
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,840
Well, now you're at a common ground
where you can say, well, so, so

1781
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,190
if I don't need a gun, who cares?

1782
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,840
It's not important.

1783
01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:32,910
Necessity is not an
issue around legislation.

1784
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:34,320
We don't legislate around need.

1785
01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:34,650
Right.

1786
01:30:35,670 --> 01:30:36,990
Find ways to say yes,

1787
01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:39,330
but guns are only made to kill people.

1788
01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:39,750
Right.

1789
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:40,980
Well,

1790
01:30:40,980 --> 01:30:41,520
they aren't though.

1791
01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:44,160
But that, that's, that gets
into the combative stuff

1792
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,150
where you say, well, right.

1793
01:30:45,390 --> 01:30:47,490
Why do you think guns are made to kill?

1794
01:30:47,610 --> 01:30:49,080
Well, because they can
shoot a lot of people.

1795
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,760
Well, that's a person that does that.

1796
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:53,130
The guy who engineers the
gun just designs it to shoot.

1797
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:55,920
No one can engineer a
gun to shoot someone.

1798
01:30:56,415 --> 01:30:58,515
It would have to have legs,
it would be the Terminator.

1799
01:30:59,385 --> 01:31:00,555
And no one's made that yet.

1800
01:31:00,585 --> 01:31:02,655
But, you know, give you
Elon Musk some time.

1801
01:31:03,255 --> 01:31:10,185
Like it's, it's once you start to stop
going at the bait, stop taking the bait

1802
01:31:10,185 --> 01:31:14,595
and swallowing it so deeply and start
actually picking apart some of the stuff.

1803
01:31:14,625 --> 01:31:17,985
It sounds like pedantics and not a
lot of people have the patience for

1804
01:31:17,985 --> 01:31:20,415
it, so most people just go, yeah,
whatever, and move on with their day.

1805
01:31:20,775 --> 01:31:24,945
But some people will hear you out and
it can change a lot of perceptions.

1806
01:31:24,945 --> 01:31:27,375
Like, you know, way back to the
beginning of this conversation.

1807
01:31:27,765 --> 01:31:29,535
Did we get the election result we wanted?

1808
01:31:29,775 --> 01:31:30,165
No.

1809
01:31:30,855 --> 01:31:33,105
Did we get the election
result we wanted yet?

1810
01:31:33,855 --> 01:31:34,185
No.

1811
01:31:34,845 --> 01:31:36,495
But that doesn't mean
we won't down the road.

1812
01:31:36,945 --> 01:31:37,035
Mm-hmm.

1813
01:31:37,275 --> 01:31:39,765
Like you change one word, the whole
sentence means a different thing.

1814
01:31:40,125 --> 01:31:40,995
And I think where that's.

1815
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:44,160
What gun owners kind of have to start
doing is thinking about this stuff

1816
01:31:44,610 --> 01:31:47,340
pragmatically, thinking about it
from their own perspective, thinking

1817
01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:50,610
about it from the Canadian side of
things, and tell people, look, we

1818
01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:52,230
never had American style gun laws.

1819
01:31:52,290 --> 01:31:54,210
That's why we don't have
a lot of mass shootings.

1820
01:31:54,930 --> 01:31:58,080
What I want to see is that we
don't get American style gun laws

1821
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,080
wherein they have been weaponized
by political parties for gain.

1822
01:32:01,590 --> 01:32:02,490
That's what I don't want.

1823
01:32:02,490 --> 01:32:05,130
Mm. I think most people
would agree with that, so.

1824
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:05,550
Mm-hmm.

1825
01:32:05,790 --> 01:32:08,790
And, and even most anti-gun people
would agree with that sentiment.

1826
01:32:09,090 --> 01:32:10,080
So it's kind of, you know.

1827
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:10,830
Yeah.

1828
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:13,530
Did you, do you remember a
lot of shootings in 2008?

1829
01:32:14,130 --> 01:32:16,800
No, and we had Canadian gun laws.

1830
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,270
I could buy an AR 15, like most people
will kind of go, oh yeah, that's

1831
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:24,450
weird, you know, then you hit 'em with
your dad could buy a machine gun, a

1832
01:32:24,450 --> 01:32:25,590
Canadian tire and see what they do.

1833
01:32:25,650 --> 01:32:28,050
But, you know, that doesn't always work.

1834
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,020
We could go right back

1835
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:32,820
to like 1962 and it'd be great.

1836
01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:37,050
Daniel, thank you so much.

1837
01:32:37,050 --> 01:32:38,880
I really enjoyed chatting with you.

1838
01:32:39,090 --> 01:32:41,580
Um, always a breath of fresh air.

1839
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:43,560
Always learn something
when I talk with you.

1840
01:32:43,620 --> 01:32:48,000
And for the listeners, of course, there's
gonna be links in the description to your

1841
01:32:48,420 --> 01:32:53,340
website where they can subscribe to te
Caliber Bank, social media, all the rest.

1842
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:58,080
Um, and if they had questions, if
they have, uh, thoughts or ideas on

1843
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,250
anything that's been covered in here.

1844
01:33:00,054 --> 01:33:01,105
Throw it in the comments.

1845
01:33:01,855 --> 01:33:03,085
I read every single one of them.

1846
01:33:03,445 --> 01:33:04,764
I'm sure you do as well, Dan.

1847
01:33:05,065 --> 01:33:05,335
Yep.

1848
01:33:05,754 --> 01:33:06,804
Dan, thanks so much.

1849
01:33:07,014 --> 01:33:07,320
Thank you.