WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:10.490 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.490 --> 00:00:11.660 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.140 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:17.180 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits 00:00:17.450 --> 00:00:19.360 with the people in businesses that comprise 00:00:19.360 --> 00:00:20.040 of the community. 00:00:20.870 --> 00:00:22.760 If you're new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.510 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.690 --> 00:00:29.060 you you can learn more about courses, services, 00:00:29.060 --> 00:00:30.320 and products we offer. 00:00:30.710 --> 00:00:32.689 As well as how you can join The Silvercore Club, 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.120 which includes 10 million in North America, wide 00:00:35.120 --> 00:00:37.760 liability insurance,to ensure you are properly 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:41.220 covered during your outdoor adventures. 00:00:41.940 --> 00:00:45.490 This is a unique episode, as it could be listened 00:00:45.490 --> 00:00:47.570 to you on both the Silvercore and EatWild 00:00:47.590 --> 00:00:48.850 distribution networks. 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.180 I get the opportunity to recount some highlights 00:00:52.180 --> 00:00:54.100 from this year's hunting season with my buddy 00:00:54.129 --> 00:00:56.710 Dylan, and we provide our thoughts on firearm 00:00:56.710 --> 00:00:59.410 and calibre selection for both new and 00:00:59.410 --> 00:01:00.220 experienced hunters. 00:01:00.220 --> 00:01:03.790 And we're live. 00:01:04.489 --> 00:01:04.920 We're live. 00:01:06.250 --> 00:01:06.940 Hey Travis. 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:08.410 Hey Dylan. 00:01:09.975 --> 00:01:11.445 Okay, great to see you, man. 00:01:11.505 --> 00:01:12.824 And I glad that you're coming and hanging 00:01:12.824 --> 00:01:15.914 out here with me on the EatWild Podcast. 00:01:15.914 --> 00:01:17.865 Now this is a bit of a unique podcast 00:01:17.865 --> 00:01:19.695 because I'm introducing you to the concept 00:01:19.695 --> 00:01:20.655 of the swap cast. 00:01:20.714 --> 00:01:23.294 And this is where basically we're just 00:01:23.384 --> 00:01:24.735 getting together for a conversation. 00:01:24.735 --> 00:01:26.125 And as we get into this, we'll, we'll talk 00:01:26.125 --> 00:01:27.824 a bit more about what Silvercore does and your 00:01:27.824 --> 00:01:29.115 journey into podcasting. 00:01:29.405 --> 00:01:31.005 Well school me on a swap cast. 00:01:31.005 --> 00:01:31.725 What does that mean?. 00:01:31.744 --> 00:01:32.104 Okay. 00:01:32.315 --> 00:01:33.005 Okay, okay, okay. 00:01:34.095 --> 00:01:36.420 So the podcast concept is something that was 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:39.090 introduced to me by the rookie hunters and 00:01:39.090 --> 00:01:41.429 the journal of mountain hunting podcast. 00:01:41.429 --> 00:01:43.979 And basically, it's just an opportunity where you 00:01:43.979 --> 00:01:45.929 hang out with the host of another podcast, and 00:01:45.929 --> 00:01:47.970 then you essentially share that podcast on 00:01:47.970 --> 00:01:48.810 each other's platform. 00:01:48.810 --> 00:01:50.670 And really it's an opportunity for me to 00:01:50.670 --> 00:01:52.770 get introduced to your followers and people 00:01:52.770 --> 00:01:54.780 who are listening to the Silvercore Podcast 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:57.679 and then flip it around and well, of course you 00:01:57.679 --> 00:02:01.580 get to hang out with me and the vast listening 00:02:01.610 --> 00:02:03.710 audience, I like to say, of the EatWild Podcast. 00:02:03.710 --> 00:02:07.160 So either way we get to meet a few people and 00:02:07.220 --> 00:02:08.000 still just have fun. 00:02:08.059 --> 00:02:08.729 Fantastic. 00:02:09.219 --> 00:02:09.339 Yeah. 00:02:09.339 --> 00:02:10.180 Man that sounds great. 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:12.520 I mean, your audience, Silvercore audience, 00:02:12.609 --> 00:02:13.690 there's going to be a lot of crossover 00:02:13.690 --> 00:02:14.290 there anyways. 00:02:14.290 --> 00:02:15.940 And if they haven't heard of the EatWild podcast 00:02:15.940 --> 00:02:18.640 on Silvercore, then now they can go check it 00:02:18.640 --> 00:02:19.930 out, and vice versa. 00:02:19.930 --> 00:02:21.250 If the EatWild audience hasn't heard of 00:02:21.250 --> 00:02:22.630 Silvercore, guess what? 00:02:22.660 --> 00:02:24.390 We've got a podcast, check it out. 00:02:24.480 --> 00:02:25.079 There you go. 00:02:25.269 --> 00:02:25.510 Perfect. 00:02:25.510 --> 00:02:25.599 Okay. 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:25.849 Love it. 00:02:25.849 --> 00:02:26.519 So starting there. 00:02:26.519 --> 00:02:28.470 Hey, so let's do the formal introduction. 00:02:28.470 --> 00:02:30.379 Okay, everybody welcome to the EatWild podcast. 00:02:30.379 --> 00:02:32.600 I'm sitting down with my friend, Travis from 00:02:32.650 --> 00:02:35.820 Silvercore and Travis has been involved in the 00:02:36.600 --> 00:02:39.380 training industry for a while for some time 00:02:39.380 --> 00:02:42.649 now and focused on, you know, firearms, training, 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.840 hunting training, and he's taken that business 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.230 into a whole bunch of cool directions. 00:02:46.689 --> 00:02:48.140 Lately he's been playing around with 00:02:48.200 --> 00:02:51.480 developing the Silvercore podcast and without 00:02:51.480 --> 00:02:52.530 further ado, welcome. 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.400 Welcome Travis. 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.380 Welcome to the EatWild podcast and the 00:02:55.650 --> 00:02:57.590 swap cast with the Silvercore podcast. 00:02:57.610 --> 00:02:57.920 Welcome. 00:02:58.040 --> 00:02:59.240 Hey, I'm looking forward to it. 00:02:59.270 --> 00:03:00.800 We always have fun when we do these things. 00:03:00.920 --> 00:03:03.350 Yeah, we did this gosh a while back and it was 00:03:03.350 --> 00:03:05.630 actually one of my, the more popular podcasts 00:03:05.630 --> 00:03:06.320 that we talked about. 00:03:06.320 --> 00:03:11.095 We kind of got into firearms and firearms 00:03:11.095 --> 00:03:11.965 maintenance and. 00:03:11.965 --> 00:03:12.455 That's right. 00:03:12.455 --> 00:03:13.465 Had a lot of feedback. 00:03:13.495 --> 00:03:15.595 That was probably the one podcast that generated 00:03:15.595 --> 00:03:17.155 the most people kind of reaching out and saying, 00:03:17.275 --> 00:03:19.475 Hey, I actually learned something in your podcast 00:03:19.475 --> 00:03:21.705 and really appreciated the knowledge. 00:03:21.705 --> 00:03:23.485 So yeah, that one carried us. 00:03:23.625 --> 00:03:23.775 Yeah. 00:03:23.835 --> 00:03:26.055 That was my very first podcast. 00:03:26.085 --> 00:03:27.945 And you know, I never really listened to 00:03:27.945 --> 00:03:31.305 podcasts prior to, I was one live podcast 00:03:31.305 --> 00:03:33.285 I went to, I just. 00:03:33.605 --> 00:03:35.555 Don't seem to have the time to listen unless 00:03:35.555 --> 00:03:37.535 I'm driving and I've situated my work. 00:03:37.535 --> 00:03:39.575 And everything's so close to my home 00:03:39.575 --> 00:03:43.475 that, I just didn't know much about them. 00:03:43.475 --> 00:03:45.635 You introduced me to the podcast world, Dylan. 00:03:46.620 --> 00:03:48.480 And here you are, now you're like, now 00:03:48.480 --> 00:03:50.290 you've trying to find time just to have that 00:03:50.290 --> 00:03:51.240 next conversation. 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.280 And by the sounds of it, you're a little 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:54.150 bit hooked on doing it. 00:03:54.150 --> 00:03:54.840 You're having some fun. 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:56.290 So tell me a little bit about the Silvercore 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:58.930 podcast and what's it about and, yeah, where 00:03:58.950 --> 00:03:59.490 are you heading with it? 00:03:59.610 --> 00:04:00.480 Oh, it's great fun. 00:04:00.510 --> 00:04:03.930 You know, it was a, not having listened 00:04:03.930 --> 00:04:06.359 to podcasts really before, it was a 00:04:06.359 --> 00:04:07.470 complete new experience. 00:04:07.470 --> 00:04:08.310 Like, what am I supposed to do? 00:04:08.310 --> 00:04:09.150 What do I talk about? 00:04:09.239 --> 00:04:09.540 Right. 00:04:09.540 --> 00:04:11.130 And what are people actually going to be 00:04:11.130 --> 00:04:11.880 listening to this? 00:04:11.970 --> 00:04:14.310 And after doing the podcast with you, got 00:04:14.430 --> 00:04:16.890 you know, kind of an idea of the format and what 00:04:16.890 --> 00:04:18.000 people are looking for. 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:23.130 And I took my office here in Tilbury and decided, 00:04:23.159 --> 00:04:25.920 I know let's move the entire office staff 00:04:26.070 --> 00:04:28.530 outta here, got another location in Ladner 00:04:28.530 --> 00:04:32.490 and turned the Tilbury location into a studio. 00:04:32.490 --> 00:04:34.830 So we've got, I've picked up some video cameras 00:04:34.830 --> 00:04:38.190 for some of the online stuff that we do and my 00:04:38.190 --> 00:04:39.240 office, I don't know. 00:04:39.690 --> 00:04:43.110 It's hard to see from this, we're using an 00:04:43.110 --> 00:04:46.230 online service here, but I've gone and 00:04:46.230 --> 00:04:48.150 soundproofed it and set it up as a podcast 00:04:48.150 --> 00:04:50.400 room and just slowly plugging away, having 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:51.180 a lot of fun with it. 00:04:51.180 --> 00:04:53.990 And really I'm, the reason why I'm doing 00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:54.920 it is because it's fun. 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:56.240 It's a positive outlet and it's a 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.540 chance to share with others, my passion. 00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:02.300 And it seems to be well-received so. 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:03.490 Yeah. 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:04.300 Yeah, no, it's been fun. 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:05.740 And I think more than anything this time 00:05:05.740 --> 00:05:09.430 of year, this year in particular, just with 00:05:09.790 --> 00:05:11.860 trying to stay connected, a lot of us are using 00:05:11.860 --> 00:05:14.230 these video platforms just to see our families 00:05:14.230 --> 00:05:16.240 and friends and, you know, have a virtual 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.360 beer with your crew. 00:05:17.810 --> 00:05:20.230 So really this is just a way of connecting 00:05:20.230 --> 00:05:22.260 with and that's what actually this series of 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:24.120 podcasts, isn't why I called you up as I was 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.789 like, well it's the tail end of hunting season. 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.420 You know, I'm gonna call up my buddies and 00:05:30.380 --> 00:05:32.130 talk about hunting and how the season was. 00:05:32.130 --> 00:05:34.860 So why not do that, and get my act together, 00:05:34.860 --> 00:05:36.810 record it and call it a podcast series. 00:05:36.810 --> 00:05:38.610 So this is like the catching up with my 00:05:38.610 --> 00:05:41.320 hunting partners or hunting buddies series, 00:05:41.340 --> 00:05:43.740 and then hopefully tackle one question 00:05:43.989 --> 00:05:45.630 for each episode. 00:05:45.645 --> 00:05:47.715 So we're going to get caught up a little bit. 00:05:47.985 --> 00:05:49.785 And then I think the topic, one of the 00:05:49.785 --> 00:05:52.635 questions that I get and, you no doubt get 00:05:52.635 --> 00:05:55.965 this as well as a hunting educator and as someone 00:05:56.315 --> 00:05:59.175 who certifies people for firearms and firearm 00:05:59.185 --> 00:06:01.635 safety is like, what firearms should I buy? 00:06:01.635 --> 00:06:03.435 If I was going to buy one firearm, what 00:06:03.675 --> 00:06:04.755 firearm should I buy? 00:06:05.115 --> 00:06:08.844 And you know, that conversation, I find I've 00:06:09.305 --> 00:06:10.844 been through it a number of times, but I thought, 00:06:10.844 --> 00:06:14.055 Hey, if we record it on a podcast, then next 00:06:14.055 --> 00:06:15.705 time someone asks you that question, which will 00:06:15.705 --> 00:06:16.544 probably be tomorrow. 00:06:16.905 --> 00:06:17.984 You can be like, Hey, you can listen 00:06:17.984 --> 00:06:20.055 to my podcast about which gun you should 00:06:20.055 --> 00:06:21.225 buy as a new hunter. 00:06:21.355 --> 00:06:22.235 Ahh, look at you. 00:06:22.235 --> 00:06:23.685 So really we're winning at all fronts 00:06:23.685 --> 00:06:24.135 here, you know. 00:06:24.135 --> 00:06:24.835 Look at you. 00:06:25.075 --> 00:06:25.594 I like it. 00:06:26.405 --> 00:06:28.594 So hunting, I saw you, you and Rob actually. 00:06:28.655 --> 00:06:30.635 So you guys pulled yourself a pretty nice 00:06:30.664 --> 00:06:32.185 Muley there just on the weekend didn't ya? 00:06:32.315 --> 00:06:33.044 That's a black tail. 00:06:33.275 --> 00:06:35.765 That was a that's my first black tail. 00:06:36.145 --> 00:06:37.835 Oh you got a black tail, not, very nice. 00:06:37.895 --> 00:06:38.135 Yeah. 00:06:38.165 --> 00:06:40.865 Rob took me to one of his secret spots 00:06:40.955 --> 00:06:42.725 and I've been kind of hacking around. 00:06:42.725 --> 00:06:45.155 I'm not, typically I'm kind of done hunting 00:06:45.155 --> 00:06:45.905 by this time of year. 00:06:45.905 --> 00:06:49.455 I usually wrap up my hunting season 00:06:49.475 --> 00:06:52.325 around November, well, November 15. 00:06:52.355 --> 00:06:53.825 So that's the end of my white tail hunt, 00:06:53.855 --> 00:06:55.925 and usually I've got a white tail and hopefully 00:06:55.925 --> 00:06:57.435 I've got a mule deer earlier in the season 00:06:57.455 --> 00:06:59.195 and I'm feeling pretty set for the year. 00:06:59.195 --> 00:07:01.845 But I didn't get a white tail this year and I 00:07:02.435 --> 00:07:04.615 also couldn't go back out for a white tail, 00:07:04.645 --> 00:07:07.345 because there was the provincial regulations 00:07:07.345 --> 00:07:10.825 around not traveling here in British Columbia. 00:07:10.915 --> 00:07:14.495 And so I sort of committed to spending 00:07:14.515 --> 00:07:16.885 some time locally and exploring the black tail 00:07:16.885 --> 00:07:17.845 hunting opportunities. 00:07:17.845 --> 00:07:21.895 And I kinda was dabbling in it earlier this month. 00:07:21.925 --> 00:07:23.755 I got out for a couple of weekends to a spot 00:07:23.755 --> 00:07:25.645 that a friend of mine, an old timer friend of 00:07:25.645 --> 00:07:27.115 mine has been trying to put me on for a while 00:07:27.115 --> 00:07:29.275 and kind of got a bit of a taste for it. 00:07:29.275 --> 00:07:31.200 Like just found a few black tails. 00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:33.990 I was like, Oh, they like this really steep, 00:07:34.350 --> 00:07:38.490 challenging, ugly, hard to climb through forest. 00:07:38.490 --> 00:07:40.350 Okay, I think I know where they live now. 00:07:40.830 --> 00:07:42.690 And so I was kind of excited to dedicate 00:07:42.690 --> 00:07:43.410 some more time to it. 00:07:43.410 --> 00:07:43.850 So that was. 00:07:43.850 --> 00:07:46.160 So you didn't get yourself, your white 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:46.830 tail this year, eh? 00:07:47.380 --> 00:07:48.500 Cause that's sort of your thing. 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:48.580 No. 00:07:48.770 --> 00:07:49.790 You're known for that. 00:07:50.880 --> 00:07:55.890 I just, Oh man, I was feeling like really in 00:07:55.890 --> 00:07:56.910 the dumps about it too. 00:07:57.320 --> 00:07:59.370 Like I, and not because I didn't 00:07:59.610 --> 00:08:01.650 kill a deer, that's actually not at all. 00:08:01.650 --> 00:08:06.915 I mean, I had, it's the change in ecosystems 00:08:07.005 --> 00:08:08.055 that I like to hunt. 00:08:08.055 --> 00:08:09.825 Like the place that I like to hunt, there's 00:08:09.825 --> 00:08:12.435 been a lot of forestry activity in the area 00:08:12.435 --> 00:08:15.765 and it just reducing the amount of winter range 00:08:15.765 --> 00:08:19.215 available for the deer, elk, white tail and 00:08:19.215 --> 00:08:20.295 mule deer in the area. 00:08:20.325 --> 00:08:22.365 So every year I go back, that's just like 00:08:22.365 --> 00:08:24.915 one less place that I used to hunt for like 00:08:24.915 --> 00:08:26.205 my whole life is gone. 00:08:26.265 --> 00:08:27.585 Like it's just newt and I was like, 00:08:27.615 --> 00:08:28.365 Oh, well, great. 00:08:28.365 --> 00:08:31.715 And so it's just kind of heartbreaking when 00:08:31.715 --> 00:08:33.054 you're like, wow, there's a reason. 00:08:33.054 --> 00:08:36.515 Like when I was a kid, we used to see, I 00:08:36.515 --> 00:08:38.215 used to be a good day was I see 20 deer and 00:08:38.215 --> 00:08:39.085 four or five bucks. 00:08:39.145 --> 00:08:42.025 And I saw three bucks this year, which 00:08:42.025 --> 00:08:44.285 was, last year I only saw one buck in 00:08:44.745 --> 00:08:45.805 10 days of hunting. 00:08:45.805 --> 00:08:48.235 This year I actually had three opportunities 00:08:48.235 --> 00:08:50.995 at deer and it just didn't work out this 00:08:50.995 --> 00:08:53.455 year, but I figure three opportunities is 00:08:53.455 --> 00:08:56.275 still pretty good for a six or seven day hunt 00:08:56.275 --> 00:08:57.535 Yeah you hunted hard last year. 00:08:58.535 --> 00:08:59.535 Yeah, last year was brutal. 00:08:59.565 --> 00:09:00.515 Like last year was the same thing. 00:09:00.515 --> 00:09:02.564 So it was sort of feeling like, I knew 00:09:02.564 --> 00:09:03.105 this was coming. 00:09:03.105 --> 00:09:05.475 I knew there was going to be a year that I, 00:09:05.475 --> 00:09:10.005 you know, this is the first year since I was 12 00:09:10.005 --> 00:09:11.475 years old that I didn't kill a white tail deer. 00:09:11.925 --> 00:09:14.525 And so that was a good run, but had 00:09:14.905 --> 00:09:15.525 to come to an end. 00:09:17.115 --> 00:09:17.865 Well, there you go. 00:09:18.665 --> 00:09:21.575 So I took it out on some poor black tail. 00:09:22.325 --> 00:09:22.925 Nice. 00:09:24.125 --> 00:09:26.285 Yeah so, I was eager to get back out there. 00:09:26.345 --> 00:09:30.194 And I found a new spot and it's a nice 00:09:30.194 --> 00:09:32.415 timber and yeah, I had a great hunt. 00:09:32.415 --> 00:09:32.735 Beauty. 00:09:32.735 --> 00:09:33.275 Learned something new. 00:09:33.485 --> 00:09:33.704 Beauty. 00:09:33.704 --> 00:09:35.324 Which I like the best, found a new spot. 00:09:36.255 --> 00:09:38.115 So I'm pumped and I might be hooked on black 00:09:38.115 --> 00:09:40.694 tail hunting cause it's so God damn hard so. 00:09:41.124 --> 00:09:42.214 You love the challenge do ya? 00:09:42.285 --> 00:09:43.995 Well, like I like find in places hey. 00:09:44.204 --> 00:09:46.845 Like just finding places it's like, you gotta 00:09:46.855 --> 00:09:48.335 put on a lot of miles, you got to figure things 00:09:48.335 --> 00:09:49.875 out, you puzzle it out. 00:09:50.365 --> 00:09:54.400 And then yeah, if you can find a spot then it's 00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:55.450 cool when it works out. 00:09:55.450 --> 00:09:55.970 Yeah, I think you nailed it. 00:09:55.970 --> 00:09:56.880 It's a lot of work to get there. 00:09:57.110 --> 00:09:57.620 You nailed it. 00:09:57.620 --> 00:09:58.310 It's like a puzzle. 00:09:58.640 --> 00:09:59.900 You start putting everything together 00:09:59.900 --> 00:10:02.689 and relying on what you know, and it's 00:10:02.689 --> 00:10:04.160 a learning process as well through it. 00:10:04.189 --> 00:10:06.560 It's a, that is a fun part. 00:10:06.680 --> 00:10:07.280 Oh, I love it. 00:10:07.280 --> 00:10:08.689 Okay so this is what we're doing. 00:10:08.689 --> 00:10:10.069 We're talkin hunting and we're getting caught up. 00:10:10.069 --> 00:10:11.570 So what was the highlight of your 00:10:11.570 --> 00:10:12.680 hunting season this year? 00:10:13.590 --> 00:10:16.000 Oh, highlight that definitely be, well, 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.720 my son got his first deer, 11 years old. 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:21.420 So last year, 10 years old, all he wanted for 00:10:21.420 --> 00:10:23.400 his birthday was to get his hunting license. 00:10:23.490 --> 00:10:24.870 He wanted to get his FWID, fish and 00:10:24.870 --> 00:10:26.700 wildlife ID is what we call it in BC. 00:10:26.910 --> 00:10:29.520 And so he studied and studied and studied and 00:10:30.180 --> 00:10:32.610 finally on his birthday, went in, took him to 00:10:32.610 --> 00:10:35.280 another instructor, had him go through, he 00:10:35.280 --> 00:10:37.110 aced it, super happy. 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:40.810 And went out, did some hunting, but he wasn't 00:10:40.810 --> 00:10:42.880 doing any harvesting in his first year. 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:46.600 And so this year we go out and actually there 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.200 was, for waterfowl heritage days. 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.420 So out in BC we've got our heritage days, which 00:10:52.420 --> 00:10:55.694 Junior hunters, youth hunters can get out a 00:10:55.694 --> 00:10:59.224 little bit early before everybody else learn 00:10:59.224 --> 00:10:59.944 what it's all about. 00:10:59.944 --> 00:11:02.525 And so from one of our local gun stores in 00:11:02.525 --> 00:11:04.714 Ladner, Stillwater Sports is a guy there by the 00:11:04.714 --> 00:11:05.915 name of Jens Cuthbert. 00:11:05.915 --> 00:11:08.584 And he's got an Instagram account if you're into 00:11:09.125 --> 00:11:15.704 waterfowl hunting, it's 604 Backwoods 00:11:15.814 --> 00:11:19.730 and he lives and breathes and sleeps, 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:21.600 this is what he does is waterfowl hunting. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.370 He says, Trav, tell you what, if your son's 00:11:25.370 --> 00:11:27.750 interested, waterfowl heritage stadays, 00:11:27.750 --> 00:11:28.540 days come on out. 00:11:28.760 --> 00:11:31.730 So, took him out and he used to do guiding in 00:11:31.730 --> 00:11:34.100 the States for waterfowl and we actually did a 00:11:34.350 --> 00:11:37.564 Silvercore Podcast where he talks about how new 00:11:37.564 --> 00:11:39.844 people can get into it in the lower mainland and 00:11:39.995 --> 00:11:43.084 find their spots and all the ins and outs there. 00:11:43.145 --> 00:11:45.245 So any of these went out and my son got his 00:11:45.245 --> 00:11:48.935 first Mallard and was stoked because he said, 00:11:49.014 --> 00:11:51.625 you know, I didn't know if I'd be able 00:11:51.625 --> 00:11:53.755 to, I didn't know what it'd be like right. 00:11:54.364 --> 00:11:56.405 Having to harvest an animal. 00:11:57.255 --> 00:12:00.525 So a week later we're out and he's got himself a, a 00:12:00.525 --> 00:12:02.915 draw for a mule deer doe. 00:12:03.464 --> 00:12:08.475 We head on out and drive out of Delta and we see 00:12:09.074 --> 00:12:10.624 in burns bog, a deer. 00:12:10.624 --> 00:12:11.954 We're like, Oh hey, good sign, this 00:12:11.954 --> 00:12:12.704 is looking good. 00:12:13.185 --> 00:12:15.074 And then we get out to our location and 00:12:15.074 --> 00:12:18.185 we don't see anything, we're not seeing anything 00:12:18.185 --> 00:12:18.965 on the road there. 00:12:19.465 --> 00:12:19.855 Yeah. 00:12:20.035 --> 00:12:21.505 20 minutes from the house, there's a deer. 00:12:21.505 --> 00:12:23.775 Then you get out, drive for five hours. 00:12:24.085 --> 00:12:24.545 That's right. 00:12:24.545 --> 00:12:28.045 And so we get out there and putting the time in. 00:12:28.045 --> 00:12:30.565 And so anyways, one morning, just miserable 00:12:30.565 --> 00:12:32.935 out and we're out there bright and early 00:12:32.935 --> 00:12:35.135 and figure we're in a pretty good location 00:12:35.135 --> 00:12:37.230 and he's getting cold. 00:12:37.230 --> 00:12:39.270 And I got to remember 11 years old, you gotta 00:12:39.280 --> 00:12:40.530 keep it fun too right? 00:12:40.680 --> 00:12:42.820 You can't just be, you can't just 00:12:42.820 --> 00:12:44.560 be, going hard. 00:12:45.150 --> 00:12:47.610 So we get back into the vehicle and we're 00:12:47.610 --> 00:12:49.680 warming up and I say, tell you what, there's 00:12:49.680 --> 00:12:51.720 another area around the corner, scouted, 00:12:52.650 --> 00:12:53.610 it looked promising. 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.970 Let's just go for a real quiet walk right? 00:12:57.150 --> 00:12:58.900 We'll get out into this area, we'll check it out. 00:12:59.730 --> 00:13:02.010 So we do and we're about to add about 20 00:13:02.010 --> 00:13:05.130 minutes into our walk and I'm looking up on the 00:13:05.130 --> 00:13:07.170 hillside and there we go. 00:13:07.230 --> 00:13:10.650 There's his doe that he's got to draw for, 00:13:10.860 --> 00:13:14.975 but I'm looking, it's kind of far and he's 00:13:14.975 --> 00:13:18.605 been practicing at the range and I'm thinking, 00:13:18.635 --> 00:13:21.125 you know, I want to close that distance. 00:13:21.755 --> 00:13:23.165 Well, let's see what we can do. 00:13:23.165 --> 00:13:25.505 So I don't tell him and we're just still 00:13:25.505 --> 00:13:27.515 doing the quiet walk and getting 00:13:27.515 --> 00:13:28.775 closer and closer. 00:13:28.775 --> 00:13:31.715 And the deer's just standing there and I'm 00:13:31.715 --> 00:13:34.130 like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. 00:13:34.130 --> 00:13:37.250 We finally get into a position where it 00:13:37.250 --> 00:13:39.020 felt, okay, we've closed enough distance. 00:13:39.710 --> 00:13:41.720 It's a perfect broadside shot. 00:13:42.290 --> 00:13:44.360 And I looked back to my son, I said, okay. 00:13:44.630 --> 00:13:46.310 And he's got some electronic 00:13:46.310 --> 00:13:47.150 hearing protection. 00:13:47.150 --> 00:13:48.050 I said, okay, ears. 00:13:48.800 --> 00:13:49.360 Ears are on. 00:13:50.300 --> 00:13:53.444 I said, okay, load your firearm, you look 00:13:53.444 --> 00:13:56.354 up on the hill there, there's a deer and 00:13:56.354 --> 00:13:57.885 he's loaded it on up. 00:13:57.885 --> 00:14:01.094 And he gets on up and I said, maybe get into 00:14:01.094 --> 00:14:01.844 a kneeling position. 00:14:02.175 --> 00:14:02.984 Oh, right okay. 00:14:03.015 --> 00:14:04.515 So he gets down and gets to do a little bit more 00:14:04.515 --> 00:14:08.010 stable platform and I said, okay safety? 00:14:08.040 --> 00:14:09.150 Oh, right, yeah safety. 00:14:09.180 --> 00:14:09.780 Here we go. 00:14:10.830 --> 00:14:12.690 And I mean, everything's going through the head 00:14:12.770 --> 00:14:15.920 and I thought, well, now it's up to him right. 00:14:15.920 --> 00:14:19.100 And if he pulls the trigger, fair enough. 00:14:19.130 --> 00:14:20.960 If he doesn't fair enough, I mean, it's 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.800 up to him right. 00:14:22.550 --> 00:14:25.770 And he did, and he made the shot and I think 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:32.595 we watched, sat there, waited for about half 00:14:32.595 --> 00:14:35.295 an hour, 45 minutes and said, okay, let's 00:14:35.295 --> 00:14:35.975 get on out there. 00:14:35.975 --> 00:14:37.545 And let's do some tracking. 00:14:37.815 --> 00:14:41.765 Got in and man, he was just ecstatic. 00:14:41.850 --> 00:14:44.470 And so I got to say that that was the highlight 00:14:44.490 --> 00:14:45.180 of the hunting trip. 00:14:45.180 --> 00:14:48.630 We've cooking up some backstraps over the 00:14:48.630 --> 00:14:52.469 campfire at night and recounting the story 00:14:52.469 --> 00:14:55.260 and coming back and making some burgers. 00:14:55.260 --> 00:14:58.375 And I mean, he was just in heaven and 00:14:58.375 --> 00:15:02.725 my wife was there and she's a chef by trade. 00:15:02.745 --> 00:15:05.625 And so helping them out and identifying and 00:15:05.985 --> 00:15:06.975 doing all the butchering. 00:15:06.975 --> 00:15:08.925 And so this is all a part of his schooling process, 00:15:08.925 --> 00:15:11.685 as well as the hunting and the butchering and 00:15:11.685 --> 00:15:14.795 the cooking, because due to COVID, one's 00:15:14.795 --> 00:15:15.975 in high school and the other one we thought, 00:15:15.975 --> 00:15:17.875 well, we'll homeschool. 00:15:18.060 --> 00:15:20.790 He can, he's doing his ground school for pilot 00:15:20.790 --> 00:15:22.890 training and hunting and all the things 00:15:22.890 --> 00:15:25.819 that a boy wants to do and why not right? 00:15:26.510 --> 00:15:27.160 Yeah, right on. 00:15:27.290 --> 00:15:29.120 So that, that had to be a highlight for me. 00:15:29.330 --> 00:15:29.840 How bout you? 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:30.230 Yeah. 00:15:30.830 --> 00:15:33.650 Oh, well, that's, I was just thinking about how 00:15:34.050 --> 00:15:37.740 cool it would be to be 11 years old and dad's 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:38.430 like, you know what? 00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:39.840 You're out of school, you're going to hunt 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.840 a lot this summer and this fall. 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:44.730 Cause, that would be my dream of 00:15:44.730 --> 00:15:45.930 school as a kid so. 00:15:46.370 --> 00:15:47.880 And you know what, it's what he wants. 00:15:49.500 --> 00:15:53.090 Actually we're talking about it today cause he 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:55.130 and I went out on real quick hunt here just 00:15:55.130 --> 00:15:57.400 in the lower mainland for some waterfowl 00:15:57.400 --> 00:16:00.870 and he says, you know, when I get older, do 00:16:00.870 --> 00:16:02.250 you think my kids will want to hunt with me? 00:16:02.550 --> 00:16:05.219 I said, well, you'd be pretty lucky if they do. 00:16:05.479 --> 00:16:07.439 I said, if they're not into hunting, he says, 00:16:07.469 --> 00:16:08.819 well, what if they're, what if they're totally 00:16:08.819 --> 00:16:09.530 not into hunting? 00:16:09.579 --> 00:16:10.949 What if they're, what if they're vegans? 00:16:11.670 --> 00:16:13.920 And I said, if they're vegans, you know, 00:16:13.920 --> 00:16:15.660 as long as you guys are respectful of 00:16:15.660 --> 00:16:17.629 each other, I'm sure it'll be just fine. 00:16:17.629 --> 00:16:19.260 But you'll be very lucky if they share 00:16:19.260 --> 00:16:21.719 some of the same hobbies and passions as you. 00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:23.819 And there's lots of cool forging. 00:16:23.819 --> 00:16:24.630 You can do out there. 00:16:24.630 --> 00:16:25.200 That's it! 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.000 You can go get mushrooms. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:26.280 Totally. 00:16:26.400 --> 00:16:28.500 And cool wild plants and berries. 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:28.869 And you can. 00:16:28.869 --> 00:16:29.319 That's it! 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:31.140 You can bring your gun and, you know, you 00:16:31.439 --> 00:16:33.959 could shoot a grouse and your kids can pick 00:16:33.959 --> 00:16:35.569 berries and mushrooms, you know, it's all good. 00:16:35.749 --> 00:16:35.889 Yeah. 00:16:35.889 --> 00:16:36.479 Figure it out. 00:16:36.719 --> 00:16:37.469 It'll all be good. 00:16:37.469 --> 00:16:37.770 Yeah. 00:16:38.640 --> 00:16:39.239 No for sure. 00:16:39.239 --> 00:16:42.060 Well, I totally, I shared a little bit of that same 00:16:42.569 --> 00:16:46.069 experience this year out, my friend, Mickey, who 00:16:46.079 --> 00:16:48.819 I spent a lot of time with and she had wants to 00:16:48.819 --> 00:16:51.074 be a hunter and she did dedicate a lot of time 00:16:51.074 --> 00:16:51.905 to becoming a hunter. 00:16:51.905 --> 00:16:56.265 And so I was on riding shotgun for her first 00:16:56.265 --> 00:17:00.225 hunt and very similar to your story, but I won't 00:17:00.225 --> 00:17:02.324 tell it cause I've got her lined up to tell 00:17:02.324 --> 00:17:04.274 her story with one of our, another one of our 00:17:04.274 --> 00:17:06.385 friends who's also a very successful huntress. 00:17:06.444 --> 00:17:08.855 So got to leave that story for them to tell. 00:17:08.855 --> 00:17:09.555 Oh very cool. 00:17:10.045 --> 00:17:12.464 And not gonna step on her story, but man, I tell 00:17:12.464 --> 00:17:16.020 you, like there's nothing better than being there 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:18.899 for somebody else's first time, or any hunt really 00:17:18.899 --> 00:17:19.480 just being along with. 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:20.319 Oh it's fantastic! 00:17:20.569 --> 00:17:20.740 Yeah. 00:17:21.470 --> 00:17:22.599 Yeah, totally. 00:17:22.629 --> 00:17:25.040 It's the whole process, that's what I enjoy, 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:27.020 is being out there, being in the woods, 00:17:27.020 --> 00:17:30.409 connecting with nature and just the process of 00:17:30.469 --> 00:17:34.159 sort of disconnecting from the day-to-day, 00:17:34.159 --> 00:17:37.250 the technology, the cell phones, computers, 00:17:37.250 --> 00:17:39.965 and all the rest and just kind of getting 00:17:39.965 --> 00:17:41.015 back to the basics. 00:17:41.105 --> 00:17:42.525 And whether I'm successful on a hunt 00:17:42.635 --> 00:17:45.485 or not, it really doesn't matter to me. 00:17:45.485 --> 00:17:47.745 You know, I go hunting with some people and 00:17:47.824 --> 00:17:49.895 they gotta be successful and that's the whole 00:17:49.895 --> 00:17:50.645 hunts around that. 00:17:50.645 --> 00:17:52.595 And if they're not successful, it kind of 00:17:52.595 --> 00:17:55.955 makes for a negative hunt or kind of a 00:17:55.955 --> 00:17:57.395 crummy experience right. 00:17:57.395 --> 00:18:01.385 And so I've hopefully instilling the same sort 00:18:01.385 --> 00:18:02.675 of values in my children. 00:18:02.705 --> 00:18:05.435 And it seems to be sticking anyways. 00:18:06.330 --> 00:18:07.020 Yeah, that's cool. 00:18:07.020 --> 00:18:10.770 I totally know what you, I fight off that 00:18:12.530 --> 00:18:15.959 sentiment of needing to have success on a hunt. 00:18:16.429 --> 00:18:18.120 Like I'm conscious of it constantly. 00:18:18.120 --> 00:18:20.580 Like how much, obviously I'm a bit of a driver 00:18:20.580 --> 00:18:22.340 when it comes to hunting, given the amount. 00:18:22.340 --> 00:18:22.530 Right. 00:18:22.530 --> 00:18:25.170 I hunt and how passionate about I am, but I. 00:18:25.460 --> 00:18:25.650 Yeah. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:27.645 My friends have commented lately. 00:18:27.645 --> 00:18:29.205 They're like Dylan, like, this is great. 00:18:29.205 --> 00:18:31.245 Like, you're really like, you're really 00:18:31.245 --> 00:18:31.935 chilling out. 00:18:36.014 --> 00:18:38.485 Like it's kind of a conscious decision, I 00:18:39.465 --> 00:18:42.945 finally realized now, you can control a lot 00:18:42.945 --> 00:18:43.525 of things when you hunt. 00:18:43.525 --> 00:18:45.765 I mean, it's all about effort and time spent, 00:18:46.185 --> 00:18:47.825 but I really come to a point now where I 00:18:47.825 --> 00:18:50.475 recognize that I have enough confidence in 00:18:50.475 --> 00:18:52.155 my approach to hunting than if I just apply 00:18:52.155 --> 00:18:55.695 my approach and give myself enough time that 00:18:55.695 --> 00:18:56.565 it's going to work out. 00:18:56.685 --> 00:18:58.405 If it's gonna work out, it's going to work out. 00:18:58.405 --> 00:18:58.825 That's it! 00:18:59.075 --> 00:19:03.165 I don't like, that's it like exactly so I 00:19:03.165 --> 00:19:03.428 don't need to have. 00:19:03.428 --> 00:19:04.919 And really what can you really control? 00:19:05.120 --> 00:19:06.959 And you say you can control a lot of things. 00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:10.370 You can plan for a lot of things, you can put 00:19:10.370 --> 00:19:12.709 different things in place, but the actual 00:19:12.709 --> 00:19:15.919 control factor, I mean, if you want to get 00:19:15.919 --> 00:19:18.590 real esoteric would at Viktor Frankl say he's 00:19:18.590 --> 00:19:21.315 about control, the one thing, essentially, 00:19:21.325 --> 00:19:24.345 the only thing you can control is yourself. 00:19:24.535 --> 00:19:26.355 And he was that guy in the concentration 00:19:26.355 --> 00:19:28.815 camp right, who had all his, everything 00:19:28.815 --> 00:19:31.215 taken from, and he was watching people and 00:19:32.325 --> 00:19:36.135 some were just beside themselves and just 00:19:36.735 --> 00:19:37.895 completely overwhelmed. 00:19:37.905 --> 00:19:39.495 And some people are finding happiness 00:19:39.495 --> 00:19:42.315 despite all of the adversity they're facing. 00:19:42.465 --> 00:19:43.905 And he says, the one thing you can't take 00:19:43.905 --> 00:19:45.555 from me is the way I choose to respond to 00:19:45.555 --> 00:19:46.245 what you do to me. 00:19:46.275 --> 00:19:48.135 The last life's great freedoms is one's 00:19:48.135 --> 00:19:51.870 ability to control their own attitude in 00:19:51.870 --> 00:19:53.610 any given circumstance. 00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:57.300 So really if, when I look at it, I kind of 00:19:57.300 --> 00:19:58.320 boil it down to that. 00:19:58.470 --> 00:20:00.630 If I'm out there and I'm having fun, great. 00:20:00.630 --> 00:20:02.310 I can put all the pieces in place and it can 00:20:02.310 --> 00:20:03.840 all go sideways right. 00:20:04.170 --> 00:20:06.560 But I can control that, whether I 00:20:07.110 --> 00:20:08.910 choose to be having fun with that or not. 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:10.410 Totally. 00:20:10.470 --> 00:20:10.710 Totally. 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:10.890 No. 00:20:10.890 --> 00:20:12.450 And that's something I'm learning that as 00:20:12.450 --> 00:20:15.270 I get older and well, I've known it forever. 00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:17.370 It just, as you get older, you apply, 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:18.060 it's a life lesson. 00:20:18.060 --> 00:20:19.680 You just have to apply it and apply 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:20.310 it and apply it. 00:20:20.310 --> 00:20:22.170 And then when you see that, when you see that 00:20:22.170 --> 00:20:24.810 competitive nature or that, that person inside 00:20:24.810 --> 00:20:26.130 you coming out, you're like, oh hey, you know 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:26.850 what, I know better. 00:20:26.850 --> 00:20:28.260 I know that I'm going to enjoy this more if 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:31.580 I just like, let that go and allow myself 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:33.790 to enjoy the moment and the place and the people 00:20:33.790 --> 00:20:36.010 around me and not get caught up in outcomes 00:20:36.010 --> 00:20:38.649 because that just leads to problems in the end. 00:20:38.649 --> 00:20:39.550 And for me anyways. 00:20:40.379 --> 00:20:42.300 I think so, you know, but you know, 00:20:42.929 --> 00:20:43.709 everyone's different. 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:43.949 Yeah. 00:20:43.949 --> 00:20:45.719 Well, yeah, totally well, I'm having a 00:20:45.719 --> 00:20:47.850 lot of fun these days hunting and still having 00:20:47.850 --> 00:20:50.129 success even despite, you know, not being as, 00:20:50.580 --> 00:20:53.310 as caught up in outcome so yeah, it's all great. 00:20:53.729 --> 00:20:55.010 So it all worked out this year and it 00:20:55.010 --> 00:20:55.919 had a great, yeah. 00:20:56.009 --> 00:20:57.629 Great last, had a great season. 00:20:57.629 --> 00:20:59.135 So I can't complaint, but. 00:20:59.135 --> 00:20:59.584 That's fantastic. 00:20:59.584 --> 00:21:02.315 It's cool I was, I was riding shotgun too for, 00:21:02.315 --> 00:21:03.885 no I wasn't quite ridding shotgun, I was at a 00:21:04.725 --> 00:21:08.205 good friend, Ryan, he brought his son to white 00:21:08.205 --> 00:21:09.645 tail camp, who was 10. 00:21:09.645 --> 00:21:12.105 And Wyatt is like, oh he's just, I just love 00:21:12.105 --> 00:21:14.395 this kid, he's just so, he's such a hunter. 00:21:14.785 --> 00:21:17.335 And he's, his dad's a really good hunter 00:21:17.335 --> 00:21:18.245 too, which is cool. 00:21:19.125 --> 00:21:23.085 Like they've been hunting mule deer together 00:21:23.805 --> 00:21:26.030 in the south Okanagan sneaking around and 00:21:26.110 --> 00:21:28.700 they've killed a few deer together, like sneaking 00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:30.810 around dad's shot, you know, nice deer. 00:21:31.280 --> 00:21:34.160 And this year, the plan was to get 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.900 Wyatt his first deer. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.490 He's 10 years old and he's legal, ready to go. 00:21:39.910 --> 00:21:41.870 And the plan was to try and get him 00:21:41.870 --> 00:21:43.480 his first buck. 00:21:44.120 --> 00:21:45.290 And they ended up sneaking up on a 00:21:45.290 --> 00:21:47.510 white tail buck laying in it's bed. 00:21:48.165 --> 00:21:48.825 And they got into. 00:21:48.825 --> 00:21:48.905 Wow. 00:21:48.905 --> 00:21:50.625 80 yards and Wyatt shot it. 00:21:50.625 --> 00:21:50.685 Wow! 00:21:50.685 --> 00:21:52.905 So I've got to say like, that's pretty 00:21:52.905 --> 00:21:53.685 good hunting, man. 00:21:53.685 --> 00:21:55.155 If you could sneak up on a white tail. 00:21:55.395 --> 00:21:56.264 No kidding! 00:21:56.465 --> 00:21:58.135 Especially two of ya. 00:21:58.185 --> 00:21:59.205 I was pretty impressed. 00:21:59.205 --> 00:22:01.195 So yeah, the little guy was so chuffed. 00:22:01.564 --> 00:22:02.044 Oh, wow. 00:22:02.195 --> 00:22:03.574 Stars are lining up on that one. 00:22:03.735 --> 00:22:04.804 They're doing their job right. 00:22:06.090 --> 00:22:08.040 Well, you know what, Ryan is such a good hunter. 00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:10.820 He kind of had all figured out, how he 00:22:10.820 --> 00:22:11.460 was going to do it. 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:14.540 And he made it happen and picked kind of a 00:22:14.540 --> 00:22:17.239 spot that's conducive to making it happen. 00:22:17.239 --> 00:22:20.149 And, but the best part was, is like that little 00:22:20.149 --> 00:22:22.160 kid that he was like, so they shot the deer pretty 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.760 early in the morning and they got it back to camp. 00:22:25.830 --> 00:22:29.550 And so like I'm sure he was just couldn't 00:22:29.570 --> 00:22:31.909 wait for the rest of the hunting camp 00:22:31.909 --> 00:22:34.470 to come back at like noon, like to be like. 00:22:34.470 --> 00:22:36.350 Oh, so proud. 00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:36.990 Yeah, so proud. 00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:38.290 It was so awesome. 00:22:38.340 --> 00:22:40.889 Came back and yeah, it was like, yeah, that 00:22:40.889 --> 00:22:43.510 was the most fun it's I've had this hunting 00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:45.270 season, so pretty cool. 00:22:45.510 --> 00:22:45.930 But hey. 00:22:45.990 --> 00:22:46.590 Okay, cool. 00:22:48.030 --> 00:22:50.520 Hey, so we didn't do a great job of talking 00:22:50.520 --> 00:22:55.350 about what your podcast's about and what you're up 00:22:55.350 --> 00:22:56.500 to with your podcast so. 00:22:57.310 --> 00:22:58.320 We really didn't. 00:22:58.350 --> 00:23:01.230 You know, you've got the EatWild podcast and right 00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:03.810 there in the title, it says eat wild, I mean, 00:23:03.810 --> 00:23:06.060 there's a descriptor of what the podcast 00:23:06.060 --> 00:23:06.960 is going to be about. 00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:10.710 So I've got the Silvercore Podcast and 00:23:10.800 --> 00:23:14.385 of course, Silvercore is my business and I named 00:23:14.385 --> 00:23:16.364 it after my grandfather Silver Armano and my 00:23:16.364 --> 00:23:17.975 other grandfather, Cornelius Bader. 00:23:17.975 --> 00:23:18.975 Silver and Core. 00:23:18.975 --> 00:23:19.275 Oh cool. 00:23:19.275 --> 00:23:19.335 Yeah. 00:23:19.335 --> 00:23:20.205 Oh cool, I didn't know that. 00:23:20.205 --> 00:23:22.774 One was a Vancouver police detective, 00:23:22.774 --> 00:23:24.485 the other one was a entrepreneur, 00:23:24.485 --> 00:23:26.044 ran a large bakery. 00:23:26.554 --> 00:23:28.445 He would say that they were bigger than dad's 00:23:28.445 --> 00:23:31.784 oatmeal cookies, that they made cookies. 00:23:31.784 --> 00:23:35.375 But they owned a city block or so in and around 00:23:35.375 --> 00:23:37.485 commercial drive by the Croatian Cultural Centre 00:23:37.504 --> 00:23:39.275 is now, with bakeries. 00:23:39.665 --> 00:23:41.865 So I thought, well, you know, I'm into 00:23:41.885 --> 00:23:43.685 the firearms thing and that's kinda 00:23:43.695 --> 00:23:45.305 like one grandfather, and then I've got 00:23:45.305 --> 00:23:47.315 the entrepreneurial spirit, it's like the 00:23:47.315 --> 00:23:49.265 other one, I'll just combine them together. 00:23:49.775 --> 00:23:52.405 So there isn't a heck of a lot of descriptor 00:23:52.415 --> 00:23:55.115 for what it is we do and the podcast, while 00:23:55.115 --> 00:23:58.595 we talk about hunting, firearms, fishing, 00:23:58.595 --> 00:24:02.879 foraging, outdoor related activities, really it's 00:24:02.879 --> 00:24:05.160 an outlet for me just to bring positivity 00:24:05.190 --> 00:24:06.510 into the community. 00:24:06.670 --> 00:24:12.840 I don't do it for any remuneration, and it's 00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:15.870 got the Silvercore name so whatever publicity 00:24:15.870 --> 00:24:17.600 that can bring on in for the company, 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:18.510 hey, that's great. 00:24:18.510 --> 00:24:21.720 But aside from that, I try to find interesting 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.790 people and talk about things that are going 00:24:23.790 --> 00:24:26.160 to be, typically I stay away from the politics 00:24:26.250 --> 00:24:29.550 and stay away from uber contentious issues 00:24:29.550 --> 00:24:33.330 that are going to be divisive because it is a 00:24:33.330 --> 00:24:34.260 positive outlet for me. 00:24:34.290 --> 00:24:38.130 Like I had a Guy Cramer in and he invented 00:24:38.130 --> 00:24:41.320 the invisible cloak, and it sounds funny 00:24:41.350 --> 00:24:43.629 until he brings it in and shows it to you. 00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:47.379 And it's an array of lenticular lenses with 00:24:47.409 --> 00:24:50.320 a special fluid in between and it refracts 00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:52.210 light in such a way that you can get behind it 00:24:52.210 --> 00:24:54.920 and you disappear, but the background doesn't 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.909 and so we talked about that cause it's got 00:24:57.909 --> 00:25:01.410 some crossover in the camouflage world right. 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:02.280 Yeah. 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.930 We had Colin Dowler and I actually, I 00:25:04.930 --> 00:25:08.080 flew into his location and spoke with him. 00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:10.990 And he was in an encounter with a grizzly 00:25:10.990 --> 00:25:14.860 bear and fought it off with his pocket knife, 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:17.680 while he was in the Grizzlies mouth being 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.660 mauled and I mean, the guy almost died. 00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:21.700 Then he had to get on his bicycle and bike about 00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:24.670 7K back with his one good leg bleeding everywhere 00:25:24.670 --> 00:25:29.580 and so, it really doesn't have a pinpoint direction 00:25:29.580 --> 00:25:30.600 for the podcast. 00:25:31.290 --> 00:25:34.110 But if you're interested in hunting, if you're 00:25:34.110 --> 00:25:36.570 interested in fishing and foraging and outdoor 00:25:36.570 --> 00:25:40.620 related activities, we try to have the podcast 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.090 navigate around those topics but it really is a 00:25:45.090 --> 00:25:48.430 sort of a positive outlet for people to hopefully 00:25:48.450 --> 00:25:53.100 learn and listen and enjoy something new. 00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:55.040 Yeah, right on. 00:25:55.070 --> 00:25:57.180 And I think it's so important I mean, and 00:25:57.210 --> 00:26:00.150 you know, I definitely wouldn't, keep it, I 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:02.490 listened a bit too to your podcast for sure and 00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:05.520 I see, I keep track of ya and I see what you're, 00:26:05.730 --> 00:26:07.680 you know, I think that bringing that positive 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.510 lens to like, you know, I'm really trying to 00:26:09.510 --> 00:26:11.190 bring that positive lens of the hunting. 00:26:11.260 --> 00:26:11.540 Yeah. 00:26:11.540 --> 00:26:12.720 That's what EatWild's been about the whole 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.450 time and I see you doing that, really for the 00:26:15.450 --> 00:26:17.655 firearms education world. 00:26:17.705 --> 00:26:20.175 And like you're telling positive stories as 00:26:20.175 --> 00:26:22.345 one of the leaders in firearms education 00:26:22.705 --> 00:26:24.825 here in Canada. 00:26:25.065 --> 00:26:27.525 And I think it's great to have your voice at 00:26:27.525 --> 00:26:29.775 the front of that talking about not just firearms, 00:26:29.805 --> 00:26:32.535 but you know, the spectrum of things that 00:26:32.565 --> 00:26:35.045 are part of a way of life that include firearms. 00:26:35.365 --> 00:26:37.975 And I kind of liked that, I think it's important 00:26:37.995 --> 00:26:40.305 and I think we need more of that because I think 00:26:40.305 --> 00:26:43.755 a lot of people who are perceived as the voice 00:26:43.755 --> 00:26:49.800 of the firearms advocacy world that are doing a 00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:52.520 good job of communicating with the broader society. 00:26:52.520 --> 00:26:54.630 And I applaud you for doing that and 00:26:54.630 --> 00:26:55.290 taking these steps. 00:26:55.290 --> 00:26:56.610 I think you're doing a good job of it so. 00:26:56.770 --> 00:26:57.560 Oh, thanks, Dylan. 00:26:57.840 --> 00:26:58.300 Appreciate that. 00:26:58.300 --> 00:26:59.790 And it's hard work. 00:26:59.790 --> 00:27:01.280 It's a hard place to sit because you end 00:27:01.390 --> 00:27:04.370 up, there's still controversy when it comes 00:27:04.370 --> 00:27:07.680 to people's perception of firearms and such. 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:08.230 And that's it. 00:27:08.250 --> 00:27:09.590 There is a perception and it's an 00:27:09.590 --> 00:27:11.450 emotionally charged topic for summers. 00:27:11.585 --> 00:27:13.415 I see for anybody who's been negatively 00:27:13.415 --> 00:27:16.235 affected by a firearm, far be it for me to try 00:27:16.235 --> 00:27:17.945 and change their mind. 00:27:18.185 --> 00:27:21.420 But I can speak to the things that I 00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:23.460 know and the things that are positive. 00:27:23.550 --> 00:27:26.130 And if other people can take some level 00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:27.870 of positivity away from that, great. 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:28.450 Cool. 00:27:28.570 --> 00:27:31.270 Well, that lends itself right to our topic here. 00:27:31.379 --> 00:27:31.730 Okay. 00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:32.540 Talking about. 00:27:32.570 --> 00:27:32.830 Yeah. 00:27:33.219 --> 00:27:34.970 So the reason why I thought, I mean, other 00:27:34.970 --> 00:27:36.350 than just wanting to say hello and catching 00:27:36.350 --> 00:27:38.280 up and sharing a couple of hunting stories. 00:27:38.280 --> 00:27:40.580 I did want to talk about, like I said at 00:27:40.610 --> 00:27:42.580 the introduction, this is one of the most common 00:27:42.580 --> 00:27:44.770 questions that I get as a hunting instructor, 00:27:44.770 --> 00:27:46.300 which is, you know, what firearms should 00:27:46.300 --> 00:27:48.040 I buy as a new hunter? 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:50.740 And I thought of you, because I know you, I 00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:52.390 believe in addition to doing all the things 00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:54.050 you've talked about, you're also a gunsmith 00:27:54.050 --> 00:27:57.300 and you've been training people around firearms 00:27:57.300 --> 00:27:58.780 for a long time so I figured you're the right 00:27:58.780 --> 00:28:00.790 guy to ask this question. 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.370 So, okay, so the first question is if, 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.470 what should the first firearm that a new 00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:08.340 hunter should buy? 00:28:09.320 --> 00:28:10.460 The very first firearm? 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:12.950 And now this is going to be for a hunter and not 00:28:12.950 --> 00:28:14.340 just a sports shooter, we're saying, right? 00:28:14.770 --> 00:28:14.900 No. 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:15.800 Yeah, we're taking it. 00:28:15.850 --> 00:28:17.570 We're going through the lens of somebody 00:28:17.570 --> 00:28:19.700 who's on the trajectory that wants to become a, 00:28:20.060 --> 00:28:23.180 you know, an ethical, safe, successful hunter. 00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:26.910 So there's a, now you do realize that these 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:29.130 are wormhole questions that we're going into. 00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:32.640 And the reason why people ask it is because 00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:37.064 everyone's got an opinion and the best 00:28:37.064 --> 00:28:39.435 thing that I think you and I can do right now 00:28:39.465 --> 00:28:42.165 is share our experience with the listeners so 00:28:42.165 --> 00:28:44.844 that they can make the best educated decision 00:28:44.884 --> 00:28:46.215 that works for them. 00:28:46.395 --> 00:28:48.014 Because what's going to be the first firearm 00:28:48.014 --> 00:28:50.595 for me, or for my family members, or 00:28:50.595 --> 00:28:53.115 for you, might not be the best for them. 00:28:53.625 --> 00:28:56.024 There's a lot of talk of, oh hey, you should 00:28:56.024 --> 00:28:58.605 start out with a 22, and I don't disagree 00:28:58.605 --> 00:29:00.225 with that because it gets you familiar 00:29:00.225 --> 00:29:01.665 with firearms safety. 00:29:01.665 --> 00:29:03.675 It gets you familiar with something that's knocking 00:29:03.675 --> 00:29:06.735 to break the bank, it's not going to recoil a 00:29:06.735 --> 00:29:09.554 hole, you're not going to have pain from recoil. 00:29:09.945 --> 00:29:12.405 The most offensive thing for the 22, for the 00:29:12.405 --> 00:29:15.284 shooter standpoint ,is going to be the noise. 00:29:15.375 --> 00:29:18.165 And it's really not that loud compared to most 00:29:18.165 --> 00:29:19.304 of these firearms right. 00:29:21.645 --> 00:29:25.785 And that logic is sound if somebody wants to just 00:29:25.785 --> 00:29:27.764 start out and learn how to use that firearm, and 00:29:27.764 --> 00:29:29.745 maybe they want to do some small game hunting. 00:29:31.695 --> 00:29:35.024 But there are principles that you learn on a 22 00:29:35.024 --> 00:29:38.264 that some would argue would have to relearn on 00:29:38.264 --> 00:29:41.635 a firearm that's going to be inducing recoil. 00:29:42.225 --> 00:29:42.605 Sure. 00:29:42.665 --> 00:29:45.195 And so some people, some proponents would say, get 00:29:45.195 --> 00:29:47.745 something that's going to do what you need it 00:29:47.745 --> 00:29:50.024 to do for the larger game first and go into it. 00:29:50.985 --> 00:29:55.165 With firearms, for some people anyways, they 00:29:55.215 --> 00:30:01.555 can be a gateway to more firearms right? 00:30:01.555 --> 00:30:04.305 The collection gets bigger and 00:30:04.305 --> 00:30:05.175 bigger and bigger. 00:30:05.265 --> 00:30:08.155 And it's because there is no perfect calibre 00:30:08.175 --> 00:30:09.375 or no perfect gun. 00:30:09.785 --> 00:30:10.425 But if someone. 00:30:10.425 --> 00:30:12.905 Okay, but for the purpose of this conversation, 00:30:12.905 --> 00:30:14.105 we're going to assume that we're talking 00:30:14.105 --> 00:30:15.875 to somebody who lives in a condo in 00:30:15.875 --> 00:30:16.945 downtown Vancouver. 00:30:16.945 --> 00:30:17.375 Okay. 00:30:17.445 --> 00:30:19.385 That is going to struggle to find this place 00:30:19.385 --> 00:30:21.925 even to put this gun, or two guns we'll say, 00:30:23.345 --> 00:30:26.325 not, I think that you know, I think the end 00:30:26.325 --> 00:30:29.325 result of where these folks want to get to 00:30:29.325 --> 00:30:32.835 is the least amount of investment in firearms 00:30:33.195 --> 00:30:36.405 for the maximum amount of practical application. 00:30:37.115 --> 00:30:40.395 And that seems to me the core of the discussion 00:30:40.395 --> 00:30:41.675 that I get from people. 00:30:41.675 --> 00:30:42.195 Right. 00:30:42.635 --> 00:30:44.815 And the other thing is, I think people 00:30:44.835 --> 00:30:47.445 want to, I mean as much as I'd like to talk 00:30:47.445 --> 00:30:49.935 about calibres and the virtues of the different 00:30:49.935 --> 00:30:51.935 calibres and what their performances are 00:30:51.985 --> 00:30:55.465 ballistic qualities are. 00:30:55.465 --> 00:30:58.345 I think at the end of the day, that I think it's 00:30:58.345 --> 00:31:01.075 helpful for a number of people just to be told 00:31:01.675 --> 00:31:05.730 what to do from an expert with sound concept. 00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:07.650 So, 'get this gun, full go'? 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.129 Well, yeah, let's try and say that. 00:31:10.129 --> 00:31:11.100 So it's three guns. 00:31:11.100 --> 00:31:11.820 It's our end result. 00:31:11.850 --> 00:31:13.140 It's three guns that they're looking for. 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:14.720 They're looking for a 22, they're looking 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.220 for a shotgun and they're looking for a 00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:18.440 centerfire rifle and then you've kind of got the 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:19.510 gamut for everything. 00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:23.180 The shotgun allows you to not have to drive too 00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:26.160 far in order to learn from other people how 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.975 to use that firearm, if you're in the lower 00:31:28.975 --> 00:31:30.385 mainland area anyways. 00:31:30.415 --> 00:31:33.055 I mean, the we've got the Vancouver Gun Club, 00:31:33.265 --> 00:31:35.245 which is in Richmond, but it's called the 00:31:35.245 --> 00:31:39.565 Vancouver Gun Club and you can take your shotgun 00:31:39.565 --> 00:31:42.265 out there, ammo doesn't cost a bunch of money. 00:31:42.295 --> 00:31:44.915 You can shoot around the sporting clays, you can 00:31:45.055 --> 00:31:46.465 learn from other people. 00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:49.250 And it's sort of like a quick round 00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:50.480 of golf, essentially. 00:31:50.510 --> 00:31:52.250 He going through the backwoods there, clay 00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:54.200 birds fly up in the air, or they got the 00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:58.340 little rabbits that run along that ,a different 00:31:58.370 --> 00:32:00.950 type of clay that will run along the ground. 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:04.790 And you get to learn how to use that shotgun. 00:32:04.850 --> 00:32:08.090 And if you want it to get into waterfowl hunting 00:32:08.179 --> 00:32:10.469 well, I mean, it's pretty close, we've got a lot 00:32:10.469 --> 00:32:11.399 of areas right here. 00:32:11.999 --> 00:32:14.499 We've got that podcast through Silvercore, 00:32:14.499 --> 00:32:18.129 here we go, shameless plug, but where Dennis 00:32:18.129 --> 00:32:21.510 Zentner and Jens Cuthbert go through and talk 00:32:21.750 --> 00:32:23.969 people through how to get into waterfowl 00:32:23.969 --> 00:32:25.949 hunting if they're the Vancouver urbanite. 00:32:26.809 --> 00:32:28.800 So that would be one. 00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:31.639 The 22 is great because ammo is cheap. 00:32:32.100 --> 00:32:37.170 The 22 isn't going to break the bank and you 00:32:37.170 --> 00:32:40.860 can learn about firearms usage, you can practice 00:32:40.860 --> 00:32:43.860 your firearm safety and you can start taking it 00:32:43.860 --> 00:32:47.430 out to do target practice or small game hunting. 00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:52.425 And so the 22 is a great resource there. 00:32:52.875 --> 00:32:54.225 And then finally, they're going to be looking 00:32:54.225 --> 00:32:55.905 for a centerfire rifle. 00:32:56.255 --> 00:32:56.795 Well, okay. 00:32:56.795 --> 00:32:59.915 Before we go onto the centerfire, let's 00:32:59.915 --> 00:33:01.055 talk about, well, there's two things you 00:33:01.055 --> 00:33:02.315 brought up, which I really thought well, 00:33:02.555 --> 00:33:03.215 that are interesting. 00:33:03.215 --> 00:33:08.805 So we'll come back to the 22, but I do like 00:33:08.805 --> 00:33:15.195 that the one thing about a shotgun and like the, 00:33:15.195 --> 00:33:17.575 and I haven't done a great job with this as 00:33:17.575 --> 00:33:20.715 a hunting instructor, or even as EatWild, who has 00:33:20.715 --> 00:33:23.835 lived so close to well, who has been advocating 00:33:23.835 --> 00:33:25.695 for accessible hunts. 00:33:25.755 --> 00:33:29.335 Like duck hunting and goose hunting is probably 00:33:29.785 --> 00:33:32.595 the most accessible hunt. 00:33:32.775 --> 00:33:35.325 And we, you know, we have an overpopulation 00:33:35.325 --> 00:33:37.795 of geese here arguably, throughout 00:33:37.815 --> 00:33:38.475 lower mainland. 00:33:38.475 --> 00:33:41.565 And if you can find a way to gain access to 00:33:41.565 --> 00:33:44.215 a piece of property where geese live and 00:33:44.215 --> 00:33:47.085 hunt there legally, it's an awesome resource. 00:33:47.145 --> 00:33:49.605 So it's not a bad way to say, like, you know, 00:33:49.605 --> 00:33:51.255 if you want to hunt and you want to get some 00:33:51.255 --> 00:33:55.680 confidence and learn about shooting and then 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.810 yeah going the shotgun route and hunting, 00:33:58.020 --> 00:34:00.480 you know, waterfowl or migratory game 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.530 birds is a great idea. 00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:02.160 Sure. 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:04.890 And the other piece that I really liked 00:34:04.890 --> 00:34:06.210 what you said there, and I hadn't thought 00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:09.150 about it, but like the accessibility and how 00:34:09.150 --> 00:34:15.159 much fun it is to go to shoot skeet and to go to 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.659 a like a shotgun range and shoot clay birds, 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:20.460 basically flying disks. 00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:23.820 And then just the tremendous support and 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:26.880 mentorship that's at those types of clubs. 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.610 Cause it really is like, it's really fun, like 00:34:29.610 --> 00:34:31.570 it's a really supportive fun environment. 00:34:31.759 --> 00:34:32.420 It's totally fun. 00:34:32.420 --> 00:34:34.100 If you go there with the attitude to learn 00:34:34.100 --> 00:34:35.750 and without a chip on your shoulder, which 00:34:35.810 --> 00:34:37.909 basically everyone does when they go to these 00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:40.544 places, people flock to you because they want 00:34:40.634 --> 00:34:42.884 to help you and share what they know with you. 00:34:42.884 --> 00:34:45.074 And sometimes it might get a little overwhelming 00:34:45.074 --> 00:34:46.814 and you say, okay, okay, hold on, I got to put 00:34:46.814 --> 00:34:49.025 things together on my own a little bit here, but. 00:34:49.275 --> 00:34:49.505 Yeah. 00:34:49.915 --> 00:34:51.194 There's no shortage of people who 00:34:51.194 --> 00:34:51.824 want to help you. 00:34:53.284 --> 00:34:55.165 Yeah, no, I've experienced that. 00:34:55.235 --> 00:34:57.975 I've had a lot of fun at, you know, just 00:34:57.975 --> 00:35:01.035 getting to know some of the older generation 00:35:01.035 --> 00:35:02.325 that are passionate about shooting. 00:35:02.325 --> 00:35:05.035 And I think it's, you know, honestly, they 00:35:05.035 --> 00:35:07.005 probably recognize it as probably something that 00:35:07.005 --> 00:35:09.255 needs a bit of new blood to be entered into these 00:35:09.255 --> 00:35:12.195 clubs and to use these facilities, otherwise 00:35:12.195 --> 00:35:14.205 they're just not going to exist much longer. 00:35:14.205 --> 00:35:16.065 So I think they, you know, they embrace new 00:35:16.065 --> 00:35:18.795 people coming around and it's absolutely a hoot. 00:35:18.825 --> 00:35:21.825 And I like how you liken it to a round a golf 00:35:21.825 --> 00:35:24.075 cause it's, you know, I think for 15 bucks, 00:35:24.075 --> 00:35:26.685 you buy a box of shells and you buy two boxes 00:35:26.685 --> 00:35:29.355 of shells and you can go goof around for a 00:35:29.355 --> 00:35:31.935 couple hours and shoot a few rounds of skeet 00:35:31.935 --> 00:35:34.035 or rounds of birds. 00:35:34.035 --> 00:35:35.825 And it's, clay birds I should say 00:35:36.155 --> 00:35:37.905 and boy is it fun. 00:35:37.905 --> 00:35:38.565 So yeah, I think that's. 00:35:38.565 --> 00:35:38.745 Totally. 00:35:38.745 --> 00:35:40.345 A cool, cool thing to do. 00:35:40.345 --> 00:35:43.084 And it hasn't really been something that 00:35:43.084 --> 00:35:45.305 I've done a lot of and, but it's something that 00:35:45.305 --> 00:35:47.944 I think that, yeah I should be talking about 00:35:47.944 --> 00:35:49.174 that more and I'm glad you brought it up. 00:35:49.205 --> 00:35:50.944 So that's one option, get out there with 00:35:50.944 --> 00:35:52.895 your shotgun, learn to shoot skeet, tons 00:35:52.895 --> 00:35:54.935 of lessons there, transitioned to birds. 00:35:55.024 --> 00:35:55.865 You'll fill your freezer. 00:35:56.145 --> 00:35:56.625 Totally. 00:35:56.895 --> 00:35:57.315 Totally. 00:35:58.085 --> 00:35:59.415 And that's an obsession as well. 00:35:59.415 --> 00:36:03.045 I mean, we did a podcast with three new hunters 00:36:03.045 --> 00:36:04.725 that just got into it little by little, and 00:36:04.725 --> 00:36:06.615 then they got the boat and then they're getting 00:36:06.795 --> 00:36:07.665 further and further. 00:36:07.875 --> 00:36:11.155 Actually they ended up finding a body 00:36:11.525 --> 00:36:13.185 in the marsh, and so that was what the 00:36:13.185 --> 00:36:14.085 podcast was about. 00:36:14.085 --> 00:36:14.495 Woah. 00:36:14.625 --> 00:36:16.305 That was an interesting one. 00:36:16.305 --> 00:36:17.925 And ended up getting the hovercraft 00:36:17.925 --> 00:36:19.065 and RCMP in there. 00:36:19.890 --> 00:36:20.370 Oh, dear. 00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:20.850 Yeah. 00:36:20.850 --> 00:36:23.930 So that was, and I see, actually MeatEater 00:36:24.450 --> 00:36:28.800 just ran something about that, a week 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.790 ago I think it was. 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.310 Just what to do if you're in the woods and you 00:36:32.310 --> 00:36:33.630 find something like that. 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.450 I can't say I know too many people that 00:36:36.450 --> 00:36:39.480 happens too, but I know those three people. 00:36:40.670 --> 00:36:41.860 Anyways, that one took a bit of a turn. 00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:43.010 Wow, that's terrible. 00:36:43.279 --> 00:36:44.570 Yeah, for sure, that wasn't where it was 00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:45.319 expected to go but. 00:36:45.529 --> 00:36:45.799 Right. 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.770 So the one gun, I don't know who says it, beware 00:36:49.770 --> 00:36:52.649 the man with one gun, he knows how to use it 00:36:52.649 --> 00:36:54.340 or beware the person with one gun, they 00:36:54.340 --> 00:36:55.120 know how to use it. 00:36:55.160 --> 00:36:55.410 Right. 00:36:55.940 --> 00:36:59.380 Well, let's go back to 22 because I think that's 00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:02.320 an important conversation that I want to reinforce, 00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:07.450 just the value of a 22 and that you mentioned 00:37:08.964 --> 00:37:13.745 it's cheap to shoot, and that's one thing I 00:37:14.575 --> 00:37:18.105 like about the 22, it's also, it's not loud. 00:37:18.484 --> 00:37:22.125 It's not, like you can take a 22 and go out 00:37:22.125 --> 00:37:26.355 to a logging / legal shooting area and you 00:37:26.355 --> 00:37:28.455 can set up some targets and you can just have 00:37:28.455 --> 00:37:31.845 some good, fun shooting recreation in a safe way. 00:37:32.174 --> 00:37:33.615 And it's not super loud, so you're not going 00:37:33.615 --> 00:37:36.480 to be like blowing out the entire valley if 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.149 people are camped down below you or nearby. 00:37:39.149 --> 00:37:41.609 Which is the reality of shooting high powered 00:37:41.609 --> 00:37:46.509 firearms is that it can really affect the 00:37:46.609 --> 00:37:48.930 whole experience for other people, not in 00:37:48.930 --> 00:37:51.750 an appropriate range or, you know, well back 00:37:51.750 --> 00:37:53.690 and away from other recreating people. 00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:58.550 But definitely spent some time in the Chilliwack 00:37:58.620 --> 00:38:02.030 valley for both my work and poked around there 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:04.620 looking for places to actually shoot. 00:38:05.430 --> 00:38:05.819 Right. 00:38:05.819 --> 00:38:08.730 It's really like, it's pretty intense what's 00:38:08.730 --> 00:38:11.750 happening, in terms of the shooting culture 00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:15.100 that's happening there and pretty intense. 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:17.040 So I would encourage people to definitely 00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:19.560 like get a 22 cause then you can take it 00:38:19.560 --> 00:38:21.740 with you when you go camping in the summer 00:38:21.990 --> 00:38:23.700 and drive out of town. 00:38:23.700 --> 00:38:26.400 And maybe part of your recreational plan is 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.680 to set aside a couple of hours of practice 00:38:28.680 --> 00:38:31.620 your markspersonship and shoot a bunch. 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.060 And have some fun with it and hopefully not have 00:38:34.060 --> 00:38:35.950 an impact on other people as you're shooting right. 00:38:36.549 --> 00:38:38.220 When you say it's intense, are you 00:38:38.220 --> 00:38:39.210 talking about Yahoo's? 00:38:39.450 --> 00:38:42.660 Oh God, like I've never, and I don't even 00:38:42.660 --> 00:38:45.000 think it's, I'm pretty good about it, cause 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:45.990 I'll talk to people. 00:38:45.990 --> 00:38:46.920 I'll be like, hey how's it going? 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.350 And you know, but it's intense because there's a 00:38:49.350 --> 00:38:51.270 lot of activity going on, there's a lot of people. 00:38:51.270 --> 00:38:51.460 Okay. 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.375 Who are set up shooting, four by fouring. 00:38:55.974 --> 00:38:57.515 You know, God knows what they're out to. 00:38:57.645 --> 00:38:59.585 It's like and of course, like I'm a 00:38:59.585 --> 00:39:00.335 park ranger, right? 00:39:00.335 --> 00:39:01.265 Like, I can't help it. 00:39:01.265 --> 00:39:03.095 Like, you know, I look at everybody through 00:39:03.095 --> 00:39:05.305 like, hmm are they a camper, I don't know, 00:39:05.605 --> 00:39:07.285 I might have to write these guys a ticket. 00:39:07.734 --> 00:39:09.234 Like, are they going to have an illegal fire? 00:39:09.625 --> 00:39:10.744 I can't help it right. 00:39:10.744 --> 00:39:11.534 Uh huh. 00:39:11.754 --> 00:39:14.394 So I sort of, what are you up and down as to 00:39:14.394 --> 00:39:16.345 whether or not they're going to be, you know, 00:39:17.255 --> 00:39:20.950 yeah, a good park user but, obviously 00:39:20.970 --> 00:39:22.890 they're perfectly in their legal right 00:39:22.890 --> 00:39:25.260 to set up and shoot, provided they're doing 00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:27.230 it safely and there's nothing wrong with that. 00:39:27.230 --> 00:39:29.790 I just, the intensity of it, it's the amount of 00:39:29.790 --> 00:39:32.880 what's going on makes it, you know, like, wow okay, 00:39:32.930 --> 00:39:33.810 this is, lots going on. 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.650 Do it safely, clean up after yourself, be 00:39:36.650 --> 00:39:37.850 courteous of others. 00:39:37.850 --> 00:39:40.930 Basic you know, things that your mother should 00:39:40.930 --> 00:39:44.080 have taught you, and it goes a long way 00:39:44.080 --> 00:39:45.940 to ensuring that you still have places in 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:50.170 the future to use those firearms and practice 00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:51.040 with them or hunt. 00:39:51.100 --> 00:39:54.040 So it's a, you do see yahoo's once in a while 00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:57.140 and I think that's sort of the scary side of it. 00:39:57.510 --> 00:40:00.550 But more and more, I'm seeing cleanup groups 00:40:00.550 --> 00:40:02.800 go out and clean up the outdoors where others may 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.050 have left, they bring out fridges and microwaves 00:40:07.050 --> 00:40:08.910 and different things they want to shoot and leave. 00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:11.850 Apparently if you shoot it enough, lika 00:40:11.850 --> 00:40:14.330 a microwave or a fridge enough times, it'll 00:40:14.330 --> 00:40:15.410 eventually biodegrade. 00:40:16.680 --> 00:40:22.309 That seems to be the policy for some people 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:23.519 out there and it's just like, really?! 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:24.779 Well that mattress, if you shoot it with 00:40:24.779 --> 00:40:28.230 enough shotgun BB's it'll just disappear. 00:40:28.230 --> 00:40:29.850 Okay, I see what you're trying to do here, but 00:40:29.850 --> 00:40:30.660 it's not working pal. 00:40:32.009 --> 00:40:32.250 Yeah. 00:40:32.290 --> 00:40:32.620 Nope. 00:40:33.529 --> 00:40:35.700 No, no, it's so disheartening to see that 00:40:35.879 --> 00:40:37.350 the mess left behind, but you know, a lot of people 00:40:37.350 --> 00:40:39.399 are out there cleaning up and the Backcountry 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:41.980 Hunters and Anglers here, region two team. 00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:44.460 I mean, they've done a number of cleanups just 00:40:44.460 --> 00:40:46.740 trying to, you know, try to reduce the impact of 00:40:46.740 --> 00:40:49.910 some of the areas that have been a little bit 00:40:50.490 --> 00:40:52.815 overwhelmed with the litter left behind by 00:40:53.085 --> 00:40:54.405 that type of user, but. 00:40:54.915 --> 00:40:55.185 Right. 00:40:55.215 --> 00:40:57.045 Like you said, you know, be responsible, 00:40:57.045 --> 00:40:58.935 be respectful, clean up after yourself and 00:40:58.935 --> 00:41:01.425 we can all continue to enjoy these places 00:41:01.425 --> 00:41:02.985 and take advantage of the opportunity 00:41:02.985 --> 00:41:03.765 to shoot because. 00:41:03.935 --> 00:41:05.645 And I have a feeling the people listening to this 00:41:05.645 --> 00:41:09.335 podcast are all in that group, otherwise, they 00:41:09.365 --> 00:41:11.115 probably wouldn't find too much of interest 00:41:11.115 --> 00:41:12.455 in these podcasts. 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.650 It's all we can to talk about, right? 00:41:17.190 --> 00:41:17.460 Yeah. 00:41:17.790 --> 00:41:18.810 Preaching to the converted right? 00:41:18.940 --> 00:41:19.529 Exactly. 00:41:20.339 --> 00:41:21.069 Yeah, totally. 00:41:21.170 --> 00:41:21.590 Okay that's cool. 00:41:21.590 --> 00:41:23.990 Okay, let's go to the other things about 22 00:41:23.990 --> 00:41:24.950 that I was interested in. 00:41:25.210 --> 00:41:28.490 So the part that was, I thought it was 00:41:28.490 --> 00:41:32.115 interesting comment was about like replicating 00:41:33.255 --> 00:41:37.185 the experience and it may be best to have, 00:41:37.245 --> 00:41:39.075 you know, say going with a high powered rifle 00:41:39.075 --> 00:41:42.734 because you have to relearn things from a 22. 00:41:43.285 --> 00:41:45.134 They used to teach the police back in 00:41:45.134 --> 00:41:48.165 the day to use 22 revolvers before moving 00:41:48.165 --> 00:41:51.045 on to the 38 special and the 357 right. 00:41:51.045 --> 00:41:53.055 And they figured we'll go over the principles 00:41:53.055 --> 00:41:55.485 of marksmanship and we'll get them keyed 00:41:55.485 --> 00:41:58.424 right in but they found that when they upped 00:41:58.424 --> 00:42:00.435 it, and then you had the noise to contend with 00:42:00.435 --> 00:42:02.895 and the recoil, they had to retrain them again. 00:42:03.225 --> 00:42:05.924 And it was not a cost savings that they 00:42:05.924 --> 00:42:06.735 figured it would be. 00:42:06.795 --> 00:42:12.490 And so consequently, there is a school of 00:42:12.490 --> 00:42:15.940 thought that says if you're using it as 00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:17.830 a platform to train yourself to the next 00:42:18.010 --> 00:42:20.530 level, maybe just start at that level and 00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:22.570 start getting good at that from the get go. 00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:26.290 So with the 22's, if you're telling someone 00:42:26.290 --> 00:42:28.665 to go get one, I mean, it always comes 00:42:28.665 --> 00:42:29.955 down to, well, what do you want to do? 00:42:29.955 --> 00:42:32.685 And the person says, I don't know, I want it 00:42:32.685 --> 00:42:34.095 to do everything right. 00:42:34.575 --> 00:42:37.095 The Ruger 10-22, probably one of the most 00:42:37.095 --> 00:42:38.535 popular 22's out there. 00:42:38.535 --> 00:42:42.075 Is a semi-automatic 22, comes with a 10 round 00:42:42.075 --> 00:42:45.465 magazine and people can accessorize it to their 00:42:45.465 --> 00:42:48.525 heart's content and they can make it look old 00:42:48.525 --> 00:42:51.615 and wooden and tactical and Gucci and whatever 00:42:51.615 --> 00:42:52.305 they want with that. 00:42:52.305 --> 00:42:55.335 So that's a popular one. 00:42:55.575 --> 00:42:58.629 Or you can go and it doesn't cost much 00:42:58.629 --> 00:42:59.470 money for them either. 00:42:59.870 --> 00:43:00.830 Yeah I know. 00:43:01.319 --> 00:43:04.680 I call it the bad habit rifle. 00:43:04.729 --> 00:43:04.890 Right. 00:43:04.950 --> 00:43:06.220 Oh the next round will get it, next 00:43:06.220 --> 00:43:06.810 round will get it. 00:43:07.650 --> 00:43:08.400 Yeah totally. 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:09.509 It's like, no, no, no. 00:43:09.569 --> 00:43:11.970 You know, when I started shooting, so my first gun 00:43:11.970 --> 00:43:16.109 was a little single shot 22 Steven's favorite. 00:43:16.200 --> 00:43:18.669 I think it was from around the turn 00:43:18.690 --> 00:43:21.779 of the century, falling block design. 00:43:22.530 --> 00:43:25.140 And it had a custom stock made for it, 00:43:25.140 --> 00:43:27.540 so it fit my little five-year-old frame. 00:43:27.540 --> 00:43:29.370 I started shooting I was four, five, got my 00:43:29.370 --> 00:43:34.320 first rifle and it had a Cooey barrel that was 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.900 cut down and changed and so that there 00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:39.630 wasn't as much weight on the front end of it. 00:43:39.660 --> 00:43:42.480 And it was one round at a time and you have 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.520 to cock the hammer all the way back and then 00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:45.290 you pull the trigger. 00:43:45.290 --> 00:43:48.330 I mean, typically the hammer cock back when 00:43:48.330 --> 00:43:50.130 you put the lever down, but that was disengaged 00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:51.120 for the youngster, right? 00:43:51.660 --> 00:43:51.840 Yeah. 00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:56.070 And all I wanted was a semi-auto and I was told 00:43:57.180 --> 00:43:59.850 no semi-auto until you can make your rounds 00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.220 count with this one, because all you end up 00:44:02.220 --> 00:44:05.790 doing is counting on that next round right? 00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:08.090 So when you say the bad habit maker, yeah, 00:44:08.090 --> 00:44:09.480 I can see it from that perspective. 00:44:10.080 --> 00:44:10.530 Definitely. 00:44:10.580 --> 00:44:10.790 Yeah. 00:44:10.790 --> 00:44:15.165 So what my dad taught me is he bought my 00:44:15.165 --> 00:44:20.205 brother and I, a Bruno 22 full stock, fairly 00:44:20.205 --> 00:44:22.785 heavy, robust 22. 00:44:23.174 --> 00:44:26.595 And what his, what he says it, look, like I 00:44:26.595 --> 00:44:28.605 want you guys to, you know, for one, have a 00:44:28.605 --> 00:44:30.464 bolt action rifle, so that you're used to 00:44:30.464 --> 00:44:33.075 cycling the shells from a shooting position. 00:44:33.105 --> 00:44:33.314 Yep. 00:44:33.495 --> 00:44:35.685 I want this to be a full stock, full length 00:44:35.775 --> 00:44:37.814 firearm so that you get used to handling 00:44:38.115 --> 00:44:40.365 a full length firearm that you've kind of 00:44:40.365 --> 00:44:43.925 replicate the same shooting positions as 00:44:44.165 --> 00:44:47.585 you go and so that was, that was his theory. 00:44:47.585 --> 00:44:49.175 And that's one that I've carried through to 00:44:49.175 --> 00:44:53.525 some of my training is kind of follow through 00:44:53.525 --> 00:44:57.360 with all of the, whether you're practicing your 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.580 seated position or standing position or 00:45:00.610 --> 00:45:03.720 supported positions with that firearm. 00:45:03.720 --> 00:45:06.120 And you build some confidence in those 00:45:06.570 --> 00:45:09.780 physical positions and then you eventually 00:45:09.810 --> 00:45:11.040 once you've got the confidence, you need 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:13.020 shooting groups and then transitioning. 00:45:13.020 --> 00:45:16.870 But man, even when you go from a 22 like 00:45:16.890 --> 00:45:18.590 soon as you said, like 22's are fun, 00:45:18.620 --> 00:45:19.430 they're easy to shoot. 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.790 Like once you pull the trigger on a 00:45:23.790 --> 00:45:26.920 308 or a 243 man, it is like stunningly, 00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:27.830 it's shocking. 00:45:27.990 --> 00:45:30.029 It's not comfortable. 00:45:30.980 --> 00:45:32.900 You know, it's not, yeah for your 00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:33.860 first time, yeah. 00:45:33.860 --> 00:45:35.510 Because you don't know what to expect right. 00:45:35.510 --> 00:45:38.300 And a part of that process is, so if we've 00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:41.390 talked about the shotgun, what you start learning 00:45:41.390 --> 00:45:44.819 with that shotgun is the fact that you can shoot 00:45:44.819 --> 00:45:47.029 light loads, you can shoot heavy loads, right? 00:45:47.029 --> 00:45:49.169 You can, the lighter loads will have 00:45:49.169 --> 00:45:50.970 less recoil and he start learning how 00:45:50.970 --> 00:45:52.379 to manage recoil. 00:45:52.799 --> 00:45:56.879 And the recoil management is a big part of 00:45:57.330 --> 00:45:59.040 ensuring that you don't flinch, right? 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:00.870 You want to be able to maintain sight picture 00:46:00.870 --> 00:46:01.800 throughout your shot. 00:46:02.290 --> 00:46:05.520 The easiest way to maintain that recoil 00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:07.645 management with your, let's say your shotgun, 00:46:07.645 --> 00:46:10.635 is you've got your four point of contact, right? 00:46:10.635 --> 00:46:12.685 You got your front hand on the forestock, you 00:46:12.685 --> 00:46:16.825 got your shooting hand on the pistol grip, and 00:46:17.424 --> 00:46:21.055 you've got your cheek on the stock and you 00:46:21.055 --> 00:46:22.975 got the stock firmly into your shoulder. 00:46:22.975 --> 00:46:26.725 And all of those are pressing into the 00:46:26.725 --> 00:46:30.435 firearm and it's one of these things where 00:46:30.435 --> 00:46:32.235 space equals pain. 00:46:32.475 --> 00:46:34.305 If, when you first start out, you're like, man I 00:46:34.305 --> 00:46:36.855 don't want to get hurt by this thing, I'm going 00:46:36.855 --> 00:46:38.655 to hold it away from my shoulder a little bit. 00:46:38.955 --> 00:46:40.965 Or I'm not really going to touch my cheek 00:46:40.965 --> 00:46:44.125 down onto the comb of the stock here. 00:46:44.415 --> 00:46:46.185 Nah, nah, you got to actually get that 00:46:46.185 --> 00:46:48.915 cheek on there and rest it down firmly. 00:46:48.915 --> 00:46:51.195 You have to put a little backwards pressure into 00:46:51.195 --> 00:46:55.515 your shoulder and when you reduce that space, 00:46:55.905 --> 00:46:58.155 you reduce the pain and it's kind of like 00:46:58.155 --> 00:47:00.135 getting into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson. 00:47:00.135 --> 00:47:02.205 You give him a couple inches to smack you, 00:47:02.385 --> 00:47:04.455 man, you're going to hurt, but you glue his 00:47:04.455 --> 00:47:05.775 glove to your face, you're going to get 00:47:05.775 --> 00:47:07.665 dizzy, but he's not going to be doing them. 00:47:07.665 --> 00:47:09.255 It's like, if you give him a little bit 00:47:09.255 --> 00:47:10.035 of distance, right? 00:47:10.905 --> 00:47:11.145 Yeah. 00:47:11.415 --> 00:47:13.640 So you say that, that little gap creates a 00:47:13.640 --> 00:47:15.680 bit of room for the firearm to travel and 00:47:15.710 --> 00:47:16.820 essentially punch you. 00:47:16.970 --> 00:47:17.240 Right. 00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:18.100 In the shoulder right? 00:47:18.100 --> 00:47:22.550 So the more you seal up the rifle to your body, 00:47:22.550 --> 00:47:24.650 whether it's through your cheek, your arm, 00:47:24.650 --> 00:47:26.940 through your hands, you're distributing 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.220 that shock through your body more evenly. 00:47:29.790 --> 00:47:34.580 And softening that energy exchange into your body. 00:47:35.505 --> 00:47:35.775 Yeah. 00:47:35.865 --> 00:47:37.275 Right and the second thing is, how do you 00:47:37.275 --> 00:47:38.355 manage that recoil? 00:47:38.435 --> 00:47:41.835 Now, I remember, so when I was a kid and I started 00:47:41.835 --> 00:47:44.895 shooting some competitive rifle and I was in the 00:47:44.895 --> 00:47:47.755 army cadet program and they had Lee Enfields, 00:47:47.775 --> 00:47:50.445 full-size rifles that were chambered in 22. 00:47:50.445 --> 00:47:52.545 They sleeved them, made them 22 compatible, so 00:47:52.545 --> 00:47:54.075 similar to what your father is doing right. 00:47:54.555 --> 00:47:56.925 And then went on to full bore after that. 00:47:56.925 --> 00:48:00.615 But when you watch these little guys and 00:48:00.615 --> 00:48:03.944 gals shoot full bore, and you think oh man, 00:48:03.944 --> 00:48:05.415 how are they going to handle that recoil? 00:48:05.415 --> 00:48:08.555 And theypull a shot and then they climb back 00:48:08.564 --> 00:48:10.174 up the mat again and they get in position. 00:48:10.185 --> 00:48:11.654 They take the shot and then they crawl back 00:48:11.654 --> 00:48:13.624 up the mat because it's pushing them back, and 00:48:13.624 --> 00:48:16.495 they shoot these things all day long because 00:48:16.605 --> 00:48:20.085 of how that recoil is affecting their body. 00:48:20.115 --> 00:48:22.605 Whereas if you get a full size adult behind 00:48:22.605 --> 00:48:24.845 it, that just plunks down and then the absorb 00:48:24.845 --> 00:48:27.675 all of that recoil, it's going to be a 00:48:27.675 --> 00:48:29.214 less enjoyable event. 00:48:29.355 --> 00:48:31.605 So learning to kind of roll back with 00:48:31.605 --> 00:48:34.365 it, to let it shove you and not fight it. 00:48:34.515 --> 00:48:35.775 Like I've seen people when they're learning 00:48:35.775 --> 00:48:37.965 to shoot, somebody else gets behind and they 00:48:37.965 --> 00:48:39.635 hold their shoulder from the other side. 00:48:39.635 --> 00:48:40.845 Oh, I'm going to help him out right. 00:48:41.095 --> 00:48:42.285 Where the hold the shoulder from the 00:48:42.285 --> 00:48:44.085 back sorry, from, let's say they're in 00:48:44.085 --> 00:48:44.985 a standing position. 00:48:45.990 --> 00:48:47.759 You guys can't see it, who are listening, but 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.100 Dylan and I we've got video going and we can. 00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:50.790 Yep. 00:48:50.879 --> 00:48:51.359 Hands where. 00:48:51.359 --> 00:48:53.330 We're high fiving through the video and. 00:48:53.390 --> 00:48:53.779 That's right. 00:48:53.810 --> 00:48:54.710 No, no, absolutely. 00:48:54.730 --> 00:48:56.789 I've heard that, like, you know, a more like, 00:48:56.789 --> 00:48:59.779 well, you're six foot lots and a fairly solid 00:48:59.839 --> 00:49:04.560 dude and if you were to shoot a high power, 00:49:04.590 --> 00:49:06.450 high calibre rifle with lots of recoil. 00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:10.350 Because your body, unless you've trained your 00:49:10.350 --> 00:49:13.540 body, your body will actually instantly absorb 00:49:13.560 --> 00:49:15.750 that weight without requiring, whereas 00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:19.180 someone who is much more slight, will actually 00:49:19.200 --> 00:49:23.280 like essentially like, we'll absorb that and 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:24.300 kind of fall backwards. 00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:27.120 But the actual amount of energy transferring 00:49:27.120 --> 00:49:29.040 into their bodies less than maybe a 00:49:29.250 --> 00:49:33.580 heavier set person or a bigger person. 00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:35.340 So I've heard that and I've seen that too. 00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:37.830 I mean like Mickey is five foot nothing and a 00:49:37.830 --> 00:49:39.960 hundred, or a buck-oh-one or something like tha 00:49:40.040 --> 00:49:43.480 and she's enjoy shooting way more than I do. 00:49:43.750 --> 00:49:47.450 And so it's kinda interesting to see 00:49:47.450 --> 00:49:49.170 how she's able to manage recoil, so. 00:49:49.310 --> 00:49:49.580 Right. 00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:50.779 Well. 00:49:50.779 --> 00:49:52.490 So with that in mind, like recoil being, 00:49:52.520 --> 00:49:56.070 probably the thing that people most are concerned 00:49:56.090 --> 00:49:58.339 about when thinking about a centerfire rifle, 00:50:00.410 --> 00:50:03.350 I think the majority of people that I work 00:50:03.350 --> 00:50:06.440 with, that will, that they can, they need a 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.840 deer gun that they might be able to eventually 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.970 go shoot a moose or an elk with at some point. 00:50:11.060 --> 00:50:11.249 Right. 00:50:11.609 --> 00:50:14.010 And but the primary thing is that, Hey they're 00:50:14.010 --> 00:50:18.030 learning still, they need a deer gun, where 00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:19.560 would you, what are some things you would 00:50:19.620 --> 00:50:24.189 consider when evaluating what calibre to consider 00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:25.250 for that new hunter? 00:50:25.259 --> 00:50:27.150 Who's trying to buy one firearm, at least 00:50:27.180 --> 00:50:28.650 for the next three or four years while they 00:50:28.650 --> 00:50:30.480 enter the hunting world. 00:50:31.069 --> 00:50:34.040 So we'll talk about it and then I'll give 00:50:34.040 --> 00:50:34.759 you the shortcut. 00:50:35.180 --> 00:50:37.819 Essentially, you talked about recoil, so 00:50:37.819 --> 00:50:40.160 recoil, is this going to be energy, right? 00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:41.210 The energy coming back. 00:50:41.210 --> 00:50:42.830 For every action, there's an equal and 00:50:42.830 --> 00:50:44.060 opposite reaction. 00:50:44.879 --> 00:50:47.609 You want to have enough energy in that projectile 00:50:47.609 --> 00:50:50.680 coming out in order to ethically and humanely 00:50:50.700 --> 00:50:51.899 harvest an animal. 00:50:52.350 --> 00:50:56.009 And they measure that energy by the mass of 00:50:56.009 --> 00:50:58.729 the projectile going out, is essentially an 00:50:58.729 --> 00:51:01.649 equation, it's one half mass times the velocity 00:51:01.649 --> 00:51:04.799 squared, and that that'll give you the energy. 00:51:04.859 --> 00:51:08.279 So what that tells you is the more mass 00:51:08.279 --> 00:51:11.535 a projectile has, the more energy it's going 00:51:11.535 --> 00:51:13.965 to transfer in both directions, right? 00:51:13.965 --> 00:51:16.125 So that's going to be more recoil and more 00:51:16.125 --> 00:51:18.675 energy transfer onto the animal that you're 00:51:18.675 --> 00:51:19.455 wishing to harvest. 00:51:19.965 --> 00:51:24.495 But it's half mass times velocity squared. 00:51:24.915 --> 00:51:28.885 So if we take a look at the other side, the more 00:51:28.905 --> 00:51:33.345 velocity we have, man, we can have less mass 00:51:33.345 --> 00:51:37.305 projectile, but have a higher velocity and still 00:51:37.305 --> 00:51:41.265 achieve the same or more energy on the target. 00:51:41.985 --> 00:51:44.145 So there's a. 00:51:44.174 --> 00:51:47.055 Can I just put that into, I'm going to 00:51:47.055 --> 00:51:48.234 say that back to you. 00:51:48.395 --> 00:51:48.714 Yeah yeah. 00:51:48.714 --> 00:51:50.595 In the language that I think I understand. 00:51:50.654 --> 00:51:51.015 Okay. 00:51:51.075 --> 00:51:55.125 So you have the weight of the bullet. 00:51:55.295 --> 00:51:55.765 In grains. 00:51:55.785 --> 00:51:56.835 You have the speed. 00:51:56.985 --> 00:51:58.634 Yeah, in grains, we call it ingrain and 00:51:58.634 --> 00:52:00.585 then we have the speed the bullet goes. 00:52:01.005 --> 00:52:01.365 Yeah. 00:52:01.755 --> 00:52:05.325 And the more, the heavier and the faster 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.090 the bullet goes, the more energy it will 00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:11.190 impact an animal with. 00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:11.910 That's right. 00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:13.650 And. 00:52:13.650 --> 00:52:14.230 And. 00:52:14.490 --> 00:52:15.860 Go on, I interrupted. 00:52:15.990 --> 00:52:16.340 Go on. 00:52:16.740 --> 00:52:19.880 No that was it, so if you have a, you can have a, 00:52:20.450 --> 00:52:21.980 and then you can start to play with the factors. 00:52:21.980 --> 00:52:25.380 You can have a lighter bullet going faster. 00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:25.650 Right. 00:52:25.650 --> 00:52:27.300 That'll make the same amount of energy or 00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:29.940 you can have a heavier bullet going slower. 00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:30.390 Right. 00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:33.150 Which will create enough energy or the similar 00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:34.020 amount of energy so. 00:52:34.130 --> 00:52:34.290 Right. 00:52:34.560 --> 00:52:36.890 So when we look at it, and the only 00:52:36.890 --> 00:52:39.080 reason I butt in, I said grains, right? 00:52:39.080 --> 00:52:41.030 Because really, I mean, we're measuring 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:42.830 the energy in joules or foot pounds. 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.590 It's because when people go to buy their 00:52:45.590 --> 00:52:47.360 ammunition for their firearm, they might 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.410 just think, Oh I need rounds for this calibre. 00:52:52.425 --> 00:52:55.095 But that can come in different weight grain 00:52:55.155 --> 00:52:56.775 projectiles that come out of there too. 00:52:56.805 --> 00:52:58.725 So you can have ones that perhaps have a 00:52:58.725 --> 00:53:00.925 bit more recoil or a bit more energy on 00:53:00.925 --> 00:53:03.045 the animal as well. 00:53:03.045 --> 00:53:05.595 So, I mean, when we talk about grains, we 00:53:05.595 --> 00:53:07.305 measure powder in the same way, and I know some 00:53:07.305 --> 00:53:09.225 people get confused and they're like, hold on, 00:53:09.285 --> 00:53:11.895 are you counting those individual grains and 00:53:11.895 --> 00:53:13.750 no that's not how it is. 00:53:13.750 --> 00:53:15.220 Grains is a unit of measurement. 00:53:15.250 --> 00:53:18.190 I mean, we've got, Jewlers will use Troy 00:53:18.190 --> 00:53:19.990 weight right and I think grains kind of 00:53:19.990 --> 00:53:21.549 came in there through the English system. 00:53:21.699 --> 00:53:24.600 Druggist's use apothecary weight, avoirdupois 00:53:24.700 --> 00:53:27.580 system was ounces and pounds and stuff. 00:53:27.970 --> 00:53:30.640 And I think between Avoirdupois and Troy, 00:53:30.640 --> 00:53:32.500 grains are probably measured about the same, 00:53:33.250 --> 00:53:34.690 if I recall correctly. 00:53:35.290 --> 00:53:39.795 But it's just a unit of measurement for weight. 00:53:39.795 --> 00:53:42.735 So if you say I've got a 175 grain bullet 00:53:42.775 --> 00:53:44.845 right, you going to know that they're 00:53:44.865 --> 00:53:46.365 just talking about how much I think weighs. 00:53:47.165 --> 00:53:47.375 Yep. 00:53:47.375 --> 00:53:47.515 And. 00:53:48.165 --> 00:53:50.225 175 grain bullet weighs more than 00:53:50.225 --> 00:53:51.605 120 grain bullet. 00:53:51.665 --> 00:53:52.205 Easy, yeah. 00:53:52.205 --> 00:53:54.250 And that's it right? 00:53:54.250 --> 00:53:54.940 You don't have to go much. 00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:55.640 That's it. 00:53:55.640 --> 00:53:57.040 Don't have to go much further than 00:53:57.040 --> 00:53:58.390 that one, but. 00:53:58.390 --> 00:53:59.470 Weighs about announce, maybe. 00:53:59.470 --> 00:53:59.709 Yeah. 00:54:00.430 --> 00:54:04.000 But now we know, I can have that one rifle and 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.399 I might be able to get different ammunition for 00:54:06.399 --> 00:54:10.490 it for maybe something that I wanted penetrate 00:54:10.505 --> 00:54:12.215 a little bit deeper and that penetration is 00:54:12.215 --> 00:54:15.905 going to come through projectile shape, right. 00:54:15.935 --> 00:54:18.395 And that projectile shape affects a 00:54:18.395 --> 00:54:19.505 ballistic coefficient. 00:54:19.505 --> 00:54:21.455 And that's a fancy way of saying just how it cuts 00:54:21.455 --> 00:54:22.325 through the air, right? 00:54:22.655 --> 00:54:24.905 The higher, the ballistic coefficient, the better 00:54:24.905 --> 00:54:25.895 it cuts through the air. 00:54:27.725 --> 00:54:29.565 But as well, it would be like, let's say you 00:54:29.565 --> 00:54:31.605 have a needle, a needle can go through something 00:54:31.605 --> 00:54:34.154 pretty darn good, but it's not going to be 00:54:34.154 --> 00:54:36.555 transferring the energy the same way that a 00:54:36.585 --> 00:54:37.935 hammer would, right. 00:54:38.325 --> 00:54:40.725 A hammer is going to probably not penetrate 00:54:40.725 --> 00:54:42.105 through something that well, but it's 00:54:42.105 --> 00:54:43.415 going to transfer a lot of that energy. 00:54:44.085 --> 00:54:45.884 So these are all kind of things that people 00:54:45.884 --> 00:54:47.654 can kind of keep in the back of their mind. 00:54:47.865 --> 00:54:49.154 And I told you, there's going to be a shortcut 00:54:49.154 --> 00:54:49.725 at the end of this. 00:54:50.575 --> 00:54:50.725 Yeah. 00:54:50.755 --> 00:54:51.005 Yeah. 00:54:51.015 --> 00:54:51.535 I love it. 00:54:51.535 --> 00:54:55.125 When I asked you to talk about this topic, 00:54:55.355 --> 00:54:57.245 you're like I can kind of get in the weeds 00:54:57.245 --> 00:54:58.715 a little bit when I get into this stuff. 00:54:59.165 --> 00:55:00.095 I'm enjoying this so. 00:55:00.575 --> 00:55:01.535 I gave an example. 00:55:02.355 --> 00:55:02.625 Yeah. 00:55:03.315 --> 00:55:05.745 I gave an example to you because I said there is, 00:55:06.835 --> 00:55:10.575 CBC asked me to opine on something one time and 00:55:11.085 --> 00:55:13.155 I turned them down and instead I referred them 00:55:13.155 --> 00:55:15.525 to another individual and afterwards I listened to 00:55:15.525 --> 00:55:16.665 that individual's answer. 00:55:16.665 --> 00:55:18.945 And although that answer, in my opinion, was 00:55:18.945 --> 00:55:21.705 technically wrong, it was the correct answer 00:55:21.885 --> 00:55:24.765 for CBC, cause it was so clear, so concise 00:55:24.765 --> 00:55:25.575 and to the point. 00:55:25.915 --> 00:55:28.580 And really on the technical side, who 00:55:28.580 --> 00:55:30.590 cares what he got across was right. 00:55:30.830 --> 00:55:33.310 So yes, I can get into the weeds a bit. 00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:35.170 But this is good. 00:55:35.170 --> 00:55:36.610 So let's, I think it's an important thing, I 00:55:36.610 --> 00:55:38.590 mean, these are things that as people can 00:55:39.070 --> 00:55:42.080 pick up on some of this stuff and they can dig 00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:43.120 deeper into this and. 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:44.910 As they wish, yeah. 00:55:44.910 --> 00:55:47.430 And so it's important to recognize that bullets 00:55:47.430 --> 00:55:48.210 have different shapes. 00:55:48.470 --> 00:55:51.000 Some are, fly through the air better. 00:55:51.310 --> 00:55:51.410 Sure. 00:55:51.410 --> 00:55:53.970 Than others and others do a better 00:55:53.970 --> 00:55:56.290 job of essentially killing an animal. 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:01.150 Like they're designed to hit an animal and 00:56:01.720 --> 00:56:06.869 they're, we call it opening up or getting 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:08.479 like, mushrooming out. 00:56:08.479 --> 00:56:11.490 And then eventually well, bullets are actually 00:56:11.490 --> 00:56:13.710 designed to try and like, when they hit the 00:56:13.710 --> 00:56:15.490 animal, they're kind of designed to stop. 00:56:15.890 --> 00:56:17.730 They're ideally, they're going to hit the animal, 00:56:17.970 --> 00:56:21.299 drive, penetrate the flesh through the heart 00:56:21.299 --> 00:56:23.430 and lungs and then ultimately stop there. 00:56:23.490 --> 00:56:25.770 They want to dissipate all of their energy 00:56:26.069 --> 00:56:28.440 in the animal to maximize the purpose 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.180 of that bullet, which is to kill the animal. 00:56:30.850 --> 00:56:33.819 Other bullets are designed to fly really 00:56:33.819 --> 00:56:36.100 stable and flat for a long distance and 00:56:36.100 --> 00:56:38.560 be extremely accurate at distance, but 00:56:38.740 --> 00:56:42.299 they may be less effective at that job 00:56:42.299 --> 00:56:44.940 of potentially hitting an animal and opening 00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:45.660 up and killing it. 00:56:45.660 --> 00:56:47.460 So there's always a bit of a balance between, 00:56:47.990 --> 00:56:50.640 what that bullet's designed to do and its 00:56:50.640 --> 00:56:52.740 performance, whether it's for target shooting 00:56:52.740 --> 00:56:55.639 or the performance, if it's designed to be a 00:56:55.979 --> 00:56:59.020 load that is intended to shoot into, to open 00:56:59.020 --> 00:57:00.100 up and kill an animal. 00:57:00.100 --> 00:57:03.160 So that's sort of where we dive into that 00:57:03.160 --> 00:57:07.120 bullet world and get to know what different 00:57:07.120 --> 00:57:09.040 bullet manufacturers and how they perform 00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:09.520 it at different. 00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:11.460 And they all perform at different speeds too, 00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:13.210 it's fascinating stuff. 00:57:13.300 --> 00:57:15.730 You can go down and go deep into it right? 00:57:16.410 --> 00:57:17.190 You know, but. 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:18.110 What's the guys name? 00:57:18.110 --> 00:57:20.009 Bryan Litz or lilts, litz? 00:57:20.100 --> 00:57:21.570 He's got a few books out there. 00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:23.430 I mean, if you really want to geek out on that 00:57:23.430 --> 00:57:25.380 kind of stuff, there's a guy to go check out his. 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:29.490 But and that this is exactly what you say 00:57:29.490 --> 00:57:31.920 here, which is why we have laws that say, 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.380 if you're going to be using certain types of 00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:37.710 ammunition for harvesting animals, it has to be 00:57:37.710 --> 00:57:38.910 expanding ammunition. 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.710 It's gotta be designed to be able to open up 00:57:40.710 --> 00:57:41.750 and transfer that energy. 00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:43.680 And there are, I guess, different schools of 00:57:43.680 --> 00:57:47.160 thought within hunters, some who say, man I 00:57:47.160 --> 00:57:50.190 wanted to the projectile to go in and stop in the 00:57:50.190 --> 00:57:52.650 middle of that animal and just completely make your 00:57:52.650 --> 00:57:55.109 primary wound channel and your secondary cavity. 00:57:55.109 --> 00:57:57.240 And it just, I want a lot of damage 00:57:57.270 --> 00:57:57.930 go right through. 00:57:58.170 --> 00:58:00.180 Some say, I don't want it to stop till it 00:58:00.180 --> 00:58:02.100 gets to the skin on the other side, right? 00:58:02.100 --> 00:58:04.200 Like basically as much penetration without 00:58:04.200 --> 00:58:05.009 over penetrating. 00:58:05.745 --> 00:58:07.275 And then I've heard some say, no, I want 00:58:07.275 --> 00:58:08.775 through and through, I want it to go in and 00:58:08.775 --> 00:58:10.425 do some damage and then come out the other side 00:58:10.425 --> 00:58:12.135 cause it gives a better blood trail to track. 00:58:12.595 --> 00:58:16.545 Ehh, you know, once he started getting there, 00:58:16.545 --> 00:58:19.095 here, you're using your expanding tip 00:58:19.095 --> 00:58:23.265 projectiles and you're probably cranking out a 00:58:23.265 --> 00:58:24.254 little too much power. 00:58:24.615 --> 00:58:26.475 And when we start looking at this power 00:58:26.475 --> 00:58:28.185 thing, when people start saying, I want one 00:58:28.185 --> 00:58:31.245 gun, quite often, they say bigger is better. 00:58:31.904 --> 00:58:34.455 And bigger is not necessarily better 00:58:34.484 --> 00:58:36.825 because the worst thing that you can do as 00:58:36.825 --> 00:58:40.205 a new firearms owner is ingrain a flinch, 00:58:40.205 --> 00:58:42.165 flinching yourself, right from the get go. 00:58:42.645 --> 00:58:44.905 That's hard to overcome a flinch. 00:58:45.735 --> 00:58:47.765 Are you still there Dylan? 00:58:48.915 --> 00:58:51.705 All right, so right about now I realize that Dylan 00:58:51.705 --> 00:58:54.105 is having some technical difficulties on his end 00:58:54.855 --> 00:58:58.005 and this voiceover, well, this voiceover is only 00:58:58.005 --> 00:59:00.255 here to serve as a segue between the first half 00:59:00.255 --> 00:59:01.125 and the second half. 00:59:02.295 --> 00:59:04.155 I don't know where I was, because we've 00:59:04.155 --> 00:59:05.895 been down for a little bit, the joys of doing 00:59:06.495 --> 00:59:09.255 online podcasting, this is our second time. 00:59:09.915 --> 00:59:12.865 This is a second time Dylan that you and first 00:59:12.885 --> 00:59:15.105 time, your battery, you forgot to plug in your 00:59:15.105 --> 00:59:16.835 computer, but this time it wasn't your fault. 00:59:16.835 --> 00:59:18.455 How do you remember these things? 00:59:18.485 --> 00:59:18.935 God. 00:59:19.425 --> 00:59:20.775 Okay, great. 00:59:20.775 --> 00:59:23.055 I dunno. 00:59:23.085 --> 00:59:24.138 Everything, it's like a steel trap. 00:59:24.138 --> 00:59:24.215 Yeah. 00:59:24.215 --> 00:59:25.535 You're pulling out these quotes are 00:59:25.545 --> 00:59:26.465 these like, yeah. 00:59:26.555 --> 00:59:26.975 I love it. 00:59:26.975 --> 00:59:27.425 I love it. 00:59:27.575 --> 00:59:29.195 But yeah, no, I definitely, yeah. 00:59:29.795 --> 00:59:31.384 I just had a malfunction of the whole system 00:59:31.384 --> 00:59:32.705 here, but I appreciate your patience and 00:59:32.705 --> 00:59:33.414 we'll get back to it. 00:59:33.414 --> 00:59:35.765 So we were kind of talking about like, you 00:59:35.765 --> 00:59:37.584 know, bullet coefficient and talking about 00:59:37.584 --> 00:59:39.555 bullet, the variation. 00:59:39.575 --> 00:59:41.075 And I think this is a cool thing you're talking 00:59:41.075 --> 00:59:42.665 about was like, this is the variation between, 00:59:43.084 --> 00:59:46.745 you know, even if you go with one calibre rifle, 00:59:47.075 --> 00:59:49.294 you still have a lot of options as to whether 00:59:49.774 --> 00:59:53.254 you want to shoot heavy bullets out of it, or a 00:59:53.435 --> 00:59:56.915 lighter bullets or and the bullet configuration, 00:59:56.915 --> 00:59:58.325 how they're designed and shape has a 00:59:58.325 --> 00:59:58.984 different, so. 00:59:59.700 --> 01:00:01.840 You know, it's a kind of a cool conversation 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.549 because as much as a variation in the calibre, 01:00:04.549 --> 01:00:06.210 which is where I want to kind of lead us here, 01:00:06.600 --> 01:00:08.759 there's also within any calibre there's variation 01:00:08.759 --> 01:00:12.000 in terms of the weight, the design of the bullet, 01:00:12.120 --> 01:00:13.320 what it's designed to do. 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:15.990 And then you even mentioned about grains. 01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:18.545 How many grains of gunpowder that you put 01:00:18.545 --> 01:00:20.915 behind the bullet to shoot it, which makes 01:00:20.915 --> 01:00:21.765 it perform differently. 01:00:21.765 --> 01:00:24.525 So it really is a complicated discussion 01:00:24.865 --> 01:00:27.675 as you get down and start talking about 01:00:28.495 --> 01:00:30.185 bullet design and the configuration of 01:00:30.185 --> 01:00:31.405 the actual cartridge. 01:00:31.815 --> 01:00:32.275 Right. 01:00:32.715 --> 01:00:35.640 So on that note, what do you think is the most 01:00:35.670 --> 01:00:39.220 versatile cartridge, like most versatile calibre. 01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:40.890 So total wormholes. 01:00:40.890 --> 01:00:42.410 So I'm going to throw out okay. 01:00:42.620 --> 01:00:44.990 Because if someone's getting into it and 01:00:44.990 --> 01:00:47.120 they want to use it for hunting, I mean 01:00:47.210 --> 01:00:51.710 in British Columbia anyways, we don't have 01:00:51.710 --> 01:00:55.910 any restrictions on our big game hunting until 01:00:55.910 --> 01:00:57.765 you get to bison, right. 01:00:58.155 --> 01:01:00.425 So bison's what? 01:01:00.445 --> 01:01:05.625 175 grain, 2000 foot pound, or more energy 01:01:05.625 --> 01:01:06.435 at a 100 meters. 01:01:06.705 --> 01:01:09.405 So aside from that, you're kind of free to 01:01:09.405 --> 01:01:11.325 use whatever you want when you're hunting 01:01:11.325 --> 01:01:13.275 anything but bison. 01:01:13.755 --> 01:01:17.655 So you're going to want to, I mean, there 01:01:17.655 --> 01:01:20.235 are some centerfire cartridges that just 01:01:20.265 --> 01:01:22.545 don't have much oomph behind them that 01:01:22.545 --> 01:01:23.955 it just wouldn't be ethical to use. 01:01:25.050 --> 01:01:26.490 But if you're starting out and you're getting 01:01:26.490 --> 01:01:31.220 into it, 243 Winchester, a 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 01:01:31.930 --> 01:01:35.350 308 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 30-06, 01:01:35.370 --> 01:01:37.260 I mean, they're all great choices. 01:01:37.260 --> 01:01:39.780 And 30-06 was always the old standby. 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.930 Everyone says, ah just get a 30-06, you can 01:01:41.930 --> 01:01:45.710 load up, you can load down, go with that. 01:01:46.085 --> 01:01:49.924 6.5 Creedmoor has been gaining a heck of a lot 01:01:49.924 --> 01:01:51.165 more popularity lately. 01:01:51.165 --> 01:01:53.525 It's got its detractors, it's got the people 01:01:53.525 --> 01:01:56.105 who just swear by it, but it's going out of 01:01:56.105 --> 01:01:57.335 there at a faster rate. 01:01:57.335 --> 01:02:01.745 And the big thing it has going for it is, very 01:02:01.775 --> 01:02:06.005 low recoil and still great muzzle energy. 01:02:07.115 --> 01:02:08.975 Great ballistic coefficient, cuts 01:02:08.975 --> 01:02:11.315 through the air and it'll take over most 01:02:11.315 --> 01:02:15.205 of the game that you want within British 01:02:15.225 --> 01:02:17.325 Columbia, most game within North America. 01:02:17.325 --> 01:02:20.895 I pulled some good size black bears with a 6.5 01:02:20.895 --> 01:02:22.155 Creedmoor just this year. 01:02:23.895 --> 01:02:26.475 It comes down to your familiarity with the 01:02:26.475 --> 01:02:30.675 firearm and your ability to put a round where 01:02:30.675 --> 01:02:32.595 it matters, because if you're shooting something 01:02:32.595 --> 01:02:36.825 in the tail or the foot, I mean, maybe a needle, 01:02:36.945 --> 01:02:38.985 a canon behind you, but if you take your 01:02:38.985 --> 01:02:41.535 time and you close that distance, your practice. 01:02:42.660 --> 01:02:44.610 Everything that you're learning through, 01:02:45.310 --> 01:02:47.640 EatWild and everything you're learning through 01:02:47.640 --> 01:02:53.069 Silvercore and put that round where it matters, 01:02:53.609 --> 01:02:55.740 then you don't really need a huge honking 01:02:55.740 --> 01:02:57.240 calibre to do the job. 01:02:57.450 --> 01:03:00.000 And in fact, I did pod, sorry, I'll let you go. 01:03:00.029 --> 01:03:02.799 I did a podcast with the fellow, you and 01:03:02.819 --> 01:03:05.040 I both know with Marshall Lowen and he 01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:06.270 was, he recounted us. 01:03:06.270 --> 01:03:06.530 Oh yeah. 01:03:06.530 --> 01:03:10.359 Yeah and he recounted a story of a indigenous 01:03:10.379 --> 01:03:13.915 woman who would use a 22 for moose hunting. 01:03:14.485 --> 01:03:16.015 And he says, isn't that hard? 01:03:16.045 --> 01:03:18.025 He says, she says, the hard part is getting 01:03:18.025 --> 01:03:19.585 the animal home, right? 01:03:19.935 --> 01:03:22.885 So shot placement really is where it's at. 01:03:24.165 --> 01:03:26.835 I heard an interesting discussion and it was 01:03:26.835 --> 01:03:31.425 about like the sort of, this guy went from 01:03:31.425 --> 01:03:34.155 hunting, being a rifle hunter to a bow hunter, 01:03:34.155 --> 01:03:37.335 and then you really get focused on shot 01:03:37.335 --> 01:03:38.184 placement with the bow. 01:03:38.184 --> 01:03:41.115 And with a bow, like you really are just trying to 01:03:41.115 --> 01:03:45.565 poke a hole in the lung with a blade essentially. 01:03:45.585 --> 01:03:47.924 And then you hope that that one hole in the 01:03:47.924 --> 01:03:52.175 lung causes bleeding in the lungs and dies. 01:03:52.175 --> 01:03:54.765 And the point I thought it was interesting, was 01:03:54.785 --> 01:03:56.755 the individuals that, you know, it was so it's 01:03:56.755 --> 01:04:00.810 just like, it just puts the whole discussion 01:04:00.810 --> 01:04:05.130 around, you know, is 243 enough calibre to 01:04:05.130 --> 01:04:08.339 take down a deer or a moose or it's just like, 01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:09.569 it just like there's. 01:04:09.990 --> 01:04:15.450 243 causes catastrophic damage to lungs. 01:04:15.450 --> 01:04:16.020 Absolutely. 01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:18.450 Beyond the, put any potential of any bow 01:04:18.450 --> 01:04:19.140 hunter out there. 01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:21.390 And there's bow hunters, shooting moose and 01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:22.140 bison, anything else. 01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:24.149 So like tha, like going to your point 01:04:24.149 --> 01:04:25.020 about shot placement. 01:04:25.109 --> 01:04:28.509 Any any of those high powered centerfire 01:04:28.529 --> 01:04:31.740 rifles will cause enough damage to the lungs. 01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:32.850 If you cause damage. 01:04:32.850 --> 01:04:35.129 If you put a hole in the lungs, those animals 01:04:35.129 --> 01:04:37.080 will die, they will die quickly and efficiently 01:04:37.080 --> 01:04:37.620 and ethically. 01:04:37.980 --> 01:04:40.680 So really a lot of it is about shot placement. 01:04:42.169 --> 01:04:44.730 Really what I think where people start to 01:04:44.730 --> 01:04:50.220 think about, you know, increasing the distance 01:04:50.220 --> 01:04:53.010 they can shoot and carry energy out to longer 01:04:53.010 --> 01:04:55.890 distances, it becomes a bit of a discussion. 01:04:55.890 --> 01:04:58.440 And whereas some of the lighter rifles 01:04:58.470 --> 01:05:00.540 lose energy cause they're, don't have 01:05:00.540 --> 01:05:03.030 as much gunpowder behind the bullet 01:05:03.390 --> 01:05:04.480 on a smaller rifle. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:08.600 Like I have a 300 Winchester Magnum and 01:05:08.870 --> 01:05:12.060 it's a gigantic cartridge and it makes a huge bang. 01:05:12.230 --> 01:05:13.010 Sure it does. 01:05:13.770 --> 01:05:13.940 Yeah. 01:05:13.980 --> 01:05:15.200 Boots like a mule. 01:05:15.650 --> 01:05:16.500 Yeah, I don't like it. 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.350 But it, you know, I have every confidence that 01:05:19.350 --> 01:05:23.070 when I'm shooting an elk at 250 to 300 yards, 01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:25.290 which is my outside range of comfort on an 01:05:25.290 --> 01:05:28.560 animal of that size, that it's got plenty, 01:05:28.900 --> 01:05:34.120 it still has 2000 foot pounds of energy to cause 01:05:34.140 --> 01:05:36.120 devastation to the lungs. 01:05:36.120 --> 01:05:38.940 And if I miss the lungs and hit in the shoulder, 01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:42.180 it's gonna break enough shoulder and eventually 01:05:42.180 --> 01:05:43.650 work its way into the lungs that I'm going to 01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:47.520 is going to be a dead elk, 100%, for sure. 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:52.580 Whereas maybe with the 243 at 300 yards, if 01:05:52.580 --> 01:05:54.680 you hit the shoulder, it may not penetrate 01:05:54.680 --> 01:05:56.780 through the shoulder and into the lungs. 01:05:57.080 --> 01:05:59.120 And I think that's kind of where the discussion 01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:02.250 starts to go a little bit sideways or gets a 01:06:02.250 --> 01:06:03.540 little bit more relevant, but if your shot 01:06:03.540 --> 01:06:05.040 placement is perfect, it's all irrelevant. 01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:08.279 It's all like, yeah the 22 will do enough damage 01:06:08.279 --> 01:06:09.569 to the lungs, as long as you get it between 01:06:09.569 --> 01:06:10.170 the ribs you know? 01:06:10.279 --> 01:06:13.490 So Colonel Townsend Whelen, and he was a guy 01:06:13.490 --> 01:06:16.190 for many, many years, everyone recorded him and 01:06:16.220 --> 01:06:18.650 he says a thousand foot pounds of energy that's 01:06:18.650 --> 01:06:19.850 what you need, right so. 01:06:20.150 --> 01:06:20.299 Yeah. 01:06:20.330 --> 01:06:21.070 Like full stop. 01:06:21.529 --> 01:06:23.935 And everyone says, Oh, we need a 01:06:23.935 --> 01:06:24.655 thousand foot pounds. 01:06:24.655 --> 01:06:27.265 So if it's at X distance, I want have a thousand 01:06:27.265 --> 01:06:29.095 foot pounds at that distance in order to 01:06:29.095 --> 01:06:30.355 have ethical and humane. 01:06:31.135 --> 01:06:32.575 The way that modern bullets are 01:06:32.575 --> 01:06:35.215 constructed in modern ammo's being made. 01:06:35.215 --> 01:06:37.345 And some people have different thoughts on it, 01:06:37.555 --> 01:06:39.955 but that's always been the general knowledge. 01:06:40.015 --> 01:06:42.385 And when you look at how you're going to 01:06:42.385 --> 01:06:45.825 be putting an animal down it's going to die 01:06:45.855 --> 01:06:48.555 through, realistically, one of two ways. 01:06:48.975 --> 01:06:51.825 One way you've got a CNS shot, a central 01:06:51.825 --> 01:06:53.955 nervous system shot, so that's going to be brain 01:06:53.955 --> 01:06:55.975 or spinal cord, right? 01:06:55.975 --> 01:06:58.154 Second way is going to be that you 01:06:58.154 --> 01:07:00.805 indeuce hypovolemic shock, essentially. 01:07:00.805 --> 01:07:03.205 You induce hypovolemic shock through massive 01:07:03.225 --> 01:07:05.085 cardiopulmonary decompression, and that's 01:07:05.085 --> 01:07:08.805 going to be interruption of its ability to breathe 01:07:08.835 --> 01:07:11.565 or circulate oxygen through its body, through 01:07:11.565 --> 01:07:13.214 heart or through lungs. 01:07:13.275 --> 01:07:15.944 And the fastest way to fix that is to have a 01:07:16.545 --> 01:07:17.555 bleed out quickly, right? 01:07:17.595 --> 01:07:19.365 So you can put a whole bunch of rounds 01:07:19.365 --> 01:07:20.025 into something. 01:07:20.325 --> 01:07:22.395 The more rounds, the faster you're going 01:07:22.395 --> 01:07:24.855 to introduce that shock, but you're also 01:07:24.855 --> 01:07:26.475 wasting a whole ton of meat too, right? 01:07:27.509 --> 01:07:30.180 So those are some of the considerations. 01:07:30.270 --> 01:07:34.140 When it comes to rifles, because just a segue back 01:07:34.140 --> 01:07:36.319 to your point, just tell him what to get a Tikka 01:07:36.319 --> 01:07:40.500 T3X, very popular, the new Sauer 100, popular. 01:07:40.770 --> 01:07:44.700 Mauser M18's, popular and affordable, right? 01:07:44.730 --> 01:07:46.799 So those are a few things that the listeners 01:07:46.799 --> 01:07:47.850 might want to look at. 01:07:47.879 --> 01:07:51.120 They're all Mauser action, bolt 01:07:51.120 --> 01:07:51.899 action rifles. 01:07:52.230 --> 01:07:52.770 That's simple. 01:07:53.069 --> 01:07:53.580 Simple. 01:07:53.640 --> 01:07:55.529 So it's bolt that bolt action for sure. 01:07:55.560 --> 01:07:59.730 The, well let's not, we're not gonna let 01:07:59.730 --> 01:08:02.490 you off the hook that simple, you listed like 01:08:02.509 --> 01:08:04.209 seven different calibres. 01:08:05.130 --> 01:08:08.100 If you had to buy one calibre for your 01:08:08.100 --> 01:08:09.940 son, who's going to turn, say he's 01:08:09.940 --> 01:08:11.069 turning 16 years old. 01:08:11.090 --> 01:08:12.740 I've got him at 6.5 Creedmoor, that's 01:08:12.740 --> 01:08:13.450 all my son shoots. 01:08:14.410 --> 01:08:16.095 And my son shoots that because that's what 01:08:16.095 --> 01:08:20.024 my wife shoots and I wish you'd sat because 01:08:20.024 --> 01:08:22.904 International Barrels in Abbotsford spun up a 01:08:22.934 --> 01:08:25.394 barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor for me just to test out. 01:08:25.665 --> 01:08:27.885 And it keeps us all on the same ammo platform 01:08:28.245 --> 01:08:30.915 when we're out there, rather than everybody 01:08:30.915 --> 01:08:31.995 using different ammo. 01:08:32.335 --> 01:08:34.694 6.5 Creedmoor was something that I was 01:08:34.755 --> 01:08:37.215 interested in from an accuracy standpoint. 01:08:37.734 --> 01:08:40.274 Did some reading about it, wanted to see how 01:08:40.274 --> 01:08:43.379 the thing performed out in the field and 01:08:43.379 --> 01:08:45.479 so far, I've been impressed with it. 01:08:45.620 --> 01:08:49.790 I'm using the Hornady ELDX bullets in them, 01:08:49.790 --> 01:08:53.250 and it's putting the animals down 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:54.599 quickly and humanely. 01:08:54.689 --> 01:08:59.099 And, but that's just because I happened 01:08:59.099 --> 01:09:01.119 to get it from International Barrels. 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:05.140 They made this deadly accurate barrel and I 01:09:05.170 --> 01:09:07.290 ended up just going with that for my wife and a 01:09:07.349 --> 01:09:08.639 son cause low recoil. 01:09:09.630 --> 01:09:09.899 Yeah. 01:09:09.990 --> 01:09:11.640 And that's so I think that's, to me, that's 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:13.649 the point I want to key on is that the 01:09:13.649 --> 01:09:15.000 comfort of shooting? 01:09:15.029 --> 01:09:19.440 So I'm a big advocate of the 243, the 6.5 or 01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:22.920 the 7-08, because all three of those guns 01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:27.099 have significantly less recoil than a 30-06 or 01:09:27.099 --> 01:09:29.410 a 270, both of which are awesome calibres. 01:09:29.410 --> 01:09:32.625 But the three that I just listed, they 01:09:32.625 --> 01:09:35.854 have probably 30% to 40% less recoil, 01:09:35.854 --> 01:09:37.234 so they're just more comfortable to shoot. 01:09:37.514 --> 01:09:39.854 And I think, I mean, this is something that I 01:09:39.854 --> 01:09:40.995 suffered from as a kid. 01:09:41.024 --> 01:09:44.085 I, you know, the first guy in that my dad 01:09:44.185 --> 01:09:48.345 bought me about a 6.5 pound, 30-06 when I was 01:09:48.375 --> 01:09:52.305 13 or 14 years old and handed to me with a 01:09:52.305 --> 01:09:55.815 couple of blocks as 180 grain Federal bullets. 01:09:55.815 --> 01:09:57.735 And I went and shot it and just beat the shit 01:09:57.735 --> 01:10:01.035 out of myself and I maintain that same fear 01:10:01.275 --> 01:10:06.210 of recoil and well, and I still have a flinch that 01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:07.690 I work on at all time. 01:10:07.690 --> 01:10:10.470 And I have improved my shooting over the years, 01:10:10.470 --> 01:10:11.850 but the thing that improved my shooting 01:10:11.850 --> 01:10:15.720 the most is that when I bought a 7mm-08 and 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.490 I took it to the range and I was like, wow, 01:10:17.490 --> 01:10:20.880 this feels to me like I'm shooting at 22. 01:10:20.940 --> 01:10:24.000 It's just, I'm not afraid of it, I'm comfortable. 01:10:24.490 --> 01:10:27.415 I just started building on like, I make a good 01:10:27.415 --> 01:10:29.765 shot and I make another good shot and I make 01:10:29.785 --> 01:10:31.345 another good shot, I got a good group. 01:10:31.345 --> 01:10:34.615 And that confidence just like, helped me build up 01:10:34.675 --> 01:10:37.915 my confidence, cause I could never comfortably 01:10:37.915 --> 01:10:40.255 shoot the 30-06, I never enjoyed shooting it. 01:10:40.725 --> 01:10:43.675 I ended up winning a 300 when I was, you 01:10:43.675 --> 01:10:45.905 know, somewhere in my mid twenties at a BC 01:10:45.905 --> 01:10:47.865 Wildlife Federation conference so now I've 01:10:47.865 --> 01:10:50.765 got this beautiful Tikka 300, which is a 01:10:50.765 --> 01:10:51.775 great elk, moose gun. 01:10:51.775 --> 01:10:53.335 And I had it really got into elk hunting 01:10:53.335 --> 01:10:55.875 then so it was, you know, effective for 01:10:55.965 --> 01:10:58.035 hunting elk, but I hated shooting it and 01:10:58.035 --> 01:10:58.935 I still do actually. 01:10:59.275 --> 01:11:00.525 Like, I'm glad like, one shot a year, 01:11:00.525 --> 01:11:01.335 great, go to the range. 01:11:01.605 --> 01:11:03.765 Two inches high at a 100 yards, done, 01:11:03.765 --> 01:11:06.495 back in the case, let's go elk hunting. 01:11:06.825 --> 01:11:08.895 But I'll sit there and I'll actually shoot with 01:11:08.895 --> 01:11:13.065 my 7-08 and I will build my confidence and comfort 01:11:13.065 --> 01:11:14.445 at shooting at 300 yards. 01:11:14.894 --> 01:11:17.535 And just trying to, I just enjoy shooting. 01:11:17.565 --> 01:11:19.755 And that's the first time that I didn't enjoy 01:11:19.785 --> 01:11:22.065 shooting until I was basically in my thirties, 01:11:22.105 --> 01:11:25.005 like which is something to be said for that. 01:11:25.005 --> 01:11:28.215 So yeah, I liked the call and the 6.5. 01:11:28.645 --> 01:11:30.780 And that's not because I'm married 01:11:30.780 --> 01:11:31.440 to the cartridge. 01:11:31.500 --> 01:11:33.510 It's just happened to be something I was testing 01:11:33.510 --> 01:11:34.650 out and it works well. 01:11:34.990 --> 01:11:36.840 But all the cartridges you mentioned there, 01:11:37.260 --> 01:11:39.450 recoil is going to be one of the things that 01:11:39.450 --> 01:11:40.590 puts people off the most. 01:11:40.740 --> 01:11:42.330 The fit of the firearm, you want to make 01:11:42.330 --> 01:11:43.200 sure it fits to you. 01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.570 Recoil can be mitigated through proper 01:11:45.570 --> 01:11:47.370 technique, it can be mitigated through 01:11:47.370 --> 01:11:49.980 having a heavier firearm because that's going 01:11:49.980 --> 01:11:51.390 to change felt recoil. 01:11:51.690 --> 01:11:53.730 The energy recoil is going to be the same, 01:11:53.730 --> 01:11:55.620 but the length of time it takes, or the recoiled 01:11:55.630 --> 01:11:58.260 impact on you is going to be dissipated over 01:11:58.260 --> 01:12:00.705 a longer time period, so it's going to feel 01:12:00.705 --> 01:12:02.865 more like a shove than a sharp push. 01:12:03.255 --> 01:12:05.985 And then a good recoil pad on there, or even a 01:12:05.985 --> 01:12:10.985 muzzle break if you don't mind the loud concussive. 01:12:10.985 --> 01:12:11.655 Blowing your buddies eardrums. 01:12:11.675 --> 01:12:11.995 Exactly. 01:12:12.535 --> 01:12:14.655 So that can all help. 01:12:15.155 --> 01:12:16.370 That can all help. 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:16.790 Yeah. 01:12:17.110 --> 01:12:17.350 And. 01:12:18.110 --> 01:12:18.530 Totally. 01:12:18.550 --> 01:12:21.400 The real shortcut to all of that, and 01:12:21.400 --> 01:12:22.870 we're talking about different, like kind of 01:12:22.870 --> 01:12:25.090 calibres and guns and models on the rest and 01:12:25.090 --> 01:12:27.070 you're talking about the Vancouver urbanite 01:12:27.070 --> 01:12:29.800 living in an apartment, go to Reliable Gun and 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.620 Tackle on Fraser street, and they have a wide 01:12:32.620 --> 01:12:34.810 selection and they'll take you down and they'll 01:12:34.810 --> 01:12:35.560 take you through it. 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.560 And they just get those same questions asked 01:12:38.770 --> 01:12:40.760 day in, day out and they're going to find 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.650 something that works with your budget and 01:12:42.650 --> 01:12:44.390 that'll work for you, or your local gun store. 01:12:44.390 --> 01:12:45.620 I mean, I just say Reliable cause 01:12:45.620 --> 01:12:47.060 you're talking about Vancouver there. 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.460 That would be, that would be the shortcut, 01:12:49.490 --> 01:12:51.440 I'd take this knowledge and go on and say, I 01:12:51.440 --> 01:12:53.270 heard Dylan and Travis talkin about this. 01:12:53.300 --> 01:12:55.930 Can we, I gotta say, I got a 7-08 or a 6.5, 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.300 but I think the other one that, that falls 01:12:58.300 --> 01:12:59.980 into that same category that's worth mentioning 01:12:59.980 --> 01:13:01.400 it, is the 308. 01:13:01.420 --> 01:13:08.850 And I think the 308 is kind of the, both the 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:12.509 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7-08 are all built on the 01:13:12.509 --> 01:13:14.500 same cartridge as a 308. 01:13:14.500 --> 01:13:17.099 I think it's the same cartridge? 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:19.049 The same with the 6.5 yeah. 01:13:19.110 --> 01:13:19.320 Right. 01:13:19.540 --> 01:13:20.910 It just it's different sized bullet that 01:13:20.910 --> 01:13:22.049 they're shooting out of the same cartridge, but 01:13:22.049 --> 01:13:22.740 they're all relative. 01:13:22.740 --> 01:13:24.870 They're short action rifle they're, so 01:13:24.870 --> 01:13:26.400 that means they're not, they're a shorter 01:13:27.129 --> 01:13:29.169 full, like the bullet length of the cartridge 01:13:29.169 --> 01:13:30.200 length is short. 01:13:31.340 --> 01:13:32.580 Which is, there's some advantage of 01:13:32.580 --> 01:13:34.830 that because the gun has overall shorter. 01:13:35.130 --> 01:13:38.670 In some cases you save an inch versus the 7-08 is 01:13:38.670 --> 01:13:41.830 a whole inch longer, the bullet or the cartridge 01:13:41.830 --> 01:13:42.570 is an inch longer. 01:13:42.570 --> 01:13:45.090 So you just get that much more metal and around 01:13:45.090 --> 01:13:46.230 the chamber and stuff. 01:13:46.230 --> 01:13:49.670 So some merit to that, but the 308 is kind 01:13:49.670 --> 01:13:51.380 of got that balance of recoil, but it 01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:54.929 still will shoot a heavier bullet, if you. 01:13:56.820 --> 01:13:57.343 It'll take everything. 01:13:57.343 --> 01:13:57.743 Going bison hunting. 01:13:57.743 --> 01:13:58.143 It'll take everything. 01:13:58.143 --> 01:14:00.809 And yeah most, it's super, the bullet, that's 01:14:01.259 --> 01:14:02.790 other thing to think about the affordability 01:14:02.790 --> 01:14:03.389 of the bullets. 01:14:03.389 --> 01:14:06.690 Like 308 ammo was by far the cheapest ammo, 01:14:07.110 --> 01:14:08.639 so you could shoot lots of it if you're 01:14:08.639 --> 01:14:09.680 going to shoot lots. 01:14:10.290 --> 01:14:12.679 It's affordability and availability, especially 01:14:12.679 --> 01:14:14.240 if you're going to be out in Timbuktu with 01:14:14.240 --> 01:14:15.469 a firearm, you want to have something 01:14:15.469 --> 01:14:17.400 that you can find ammo for if you need it. 01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:20.415 And that was why I think 6.5 took a while 01:14:20.415 --> 01:14:22.725 for people to kind of adopt because up 01:14:22.725 --> 01:14:24.975 until recently, it wasn't as ubiquitous. 01:14:26.144 --> 01:14:26.865 Yeah, totally. 01:14:26.894 --> 01:14:27.195 Totally. 01:14:27.195 --> 01:14:29.415 So the only, and then just thinking about 01:14:29.415 --> 01:14:31.565 like, you know, the only downside of going with 01:14:31.565 --> 01:14:34.754 like a 308 or sorry, a 30-06 or a 270 you 01:14:34.754 --> 01:14:36.815 know, ultimately is how you manage recoil. 01:14:36.815 --> 01:14:38.195 Like you said, there's options for 01:14:38.195 --> 01:14:39.125 managing recoil. 01:14:39.634 --> 01:14:42.754 Those rifles kind of do everything if you 01:14:42.754 --> 01:14:44.945 want them, particularly the, yeah, if you're a 01:14:44.945 --> 01:14:47.165 long range shooter, the 270 is a great option. 01:14:47.525 --> 01:14:49.355 If you want to be a moose hunter, an elk hunter 01:14:49.355 --> 01:14:52.755 and a deer hunter to the 30-06 is about as good 01:14:52.755 --> 01:14:55.215 as it gets, but again, you're managing recoil. 01:14:55.215 --> 01:14:59.025 So I think we kinda, I think we kinda covered 01:14:59.025 --> 01:14:59.804 that off a little bit. 01:14:59.804 --> 01:15:00.275 I think so. 01:15:00.305 --> 01:15:02.075 I think for more or less, if they want to delve 01:15:02.075 --> 01:15:03.665 in more, I mean, they can always email us. 01:15:04.245 --> 01:15:04.705 Phone us up. 01:15:04.705 --> 01:15:05.485 Sure email us. 01:15:05.940 --> 01:15:06.660 And I like your suggestion. 01:15:06.660 --> 01:15:09.630 It's just go see the guys or the folks I 01:15:09.630 --> 01:15:12.940 should say down at Reliable there they, 01:15:13.410 --> 01:15:14.790 what I like about Reliable is that they're 01:15:14.790 --> 01:15:15.870 very accessible shop. 01:15:16.049 --> 01:15:18.750 Like they could see a new hunter walking to 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.970 the door and they make you feel welcome and make 01:15:21.970 --> 01:15:23.920 you feel like it's not a, that, cause it's a fairly 01:15:23.940 --> 01:15:25.940 intimidating experience walking into a gun store. 01:15:26.440 --> 01:15:29.450 And they do a good job of yeah, making everybody 01:15:29.450 --> 01:15:30.040 feel comfortable. 01:15:30.310 --> 01:15:30.620 Yeah. 01:15:30.980 --> 01:15:32.630 On that note, I was going to ask you, this is one 01:15:32.630 --> 01:15:34.349 of the questions I had and as we were gonna 01:15:34.349 --> 01:15:36.470 try and wrap up here I think, but I'm curious 01:15:36.530 --> 01:15:39.350 what you think the value is in the market of say 01:15:39.350 --> 01:15:41.510 like a new hunter going, Hey, should I buy a used 01:15:41.510 --> 01:15:43.290 rifle or a new rifle? 01:15:43.320 --> 01:15:47.300 Do you have any thoughts on which direction to go? 01:15:47.370 --> 01:15:50.410 Yeah, get new. 01:15:50.690 --> 01:15:54.355 Get a new rifle, unless you're getting it from 01:15:54.355 --> 01:15:55.245 a reputable source. 01:15:55.255 --> 01:15:57.625 It will stand behind it afterwards because a lot 01:15:57.625 --> 01:16:00.385 of, when you're getting brand new into this, 01:16:00.385 --> 01:16:01.915 you want to know that your equipment works. 01:16:01.945 --> 01:16:04.695 And if you're buying something used off of 01:16:06.065 --> 01:16:09.305 uncle Bob, or if they find a advertisement in 01:16:09.305 --> 01:16:11.355 a buy and sell somewhere and you pick the thing 01:16:11.355 --> 01:16:13.005 up, there's a whole bunch of questions 01:16:13.005 --> 01:16:13.575 that you're gonna have. 01:16:13.575 --> 01:16:15.525 Like, did the person mess with it ahead of time? 01:16:15.555 --> 01:16:18.285 I mean, you never know how there's a lot of 01:16:18.315 --> 01:16:20.685 backyard gunsmiths and people who get it a 01:16:20.685 --> 01:16:22.485 dremmel tool and they figure that, hey, I 01:16:22.485 --> 01:16:25.155 can do whatever I want and now I'm a gunsmith, 01:16:25.165 --> 01:16:25.845 I got a dremmel. 01:16:26.415 --> 01:16:29.015 If you know what you're doing, by all means 01:16:29.015 --> 01:16:29.895 get used to it right. 01:16:29.895 --> 01:16:32.215 If you're into it for a while and you've been 01:16:32.235 --> 01:16:33.645 around firearms, you know what you're looking 01:16:33.645 --> 01:16:35.440 for, get a used firearm. 01:16:35.470 --> 01:16:37.570 I mean, there's a possibility to save 01:16:37.570 --> 01:16:39.280 some good money and get some great deals. 01:16:39.490 --> 01:16:41.260 But if you're just getting into it, the 01:16:41.260 --> 01:16:44.620 price of some of these new firearms that shoot 01:16:45.160 --> 01:16:48.370 extremely well out of the box it's just, to me, 01:16:48.370 --> 01:16:51.724 it doesn't make sense to delve in the used market 01:16:51.755 --> 01:16:53.195 as your first firearm. 01:16:53.405 --> 01:16:54.155 I totally agree. 01:16:54.155 --> 01:16:56.035 Like there's not, I mean, the one thing 01:16:56.285 --> 01:16:57.515 that's great about, if you're going to be 01:16:57.515 --> 01:16:59.045 that person that buys lots of firearms, it's 01:16:59.045 --> 01:17:00.755 kind of like having money in the bank. 01:17:01.235 --> 01:17:03.425 Like firearms don't typically go down in 01:17:03.425 --> 01:17:05.045 value all that much. 01:17:05.045 --> 01:17:07.175 The resale value is pretty high on a 01:17:07.175 --> 01:17:08.615 well cared for rifle. 01:17:08.735 --> 01:17:10.445 So the flip side of that is that if you're 01:17:11.255 --> 01:17:13.094 thinking that you're going to go, you want 01:17:13.115 --> 01:17:14.675 to save a few hundred bucks and you're going to 01:17:14.735 --> 01:17:16.144 explore the use market. 01:17:16.595 --> 01:17:18.575 A good quality firearm has been well cared 01:17:18.575 --> 01:17:21.120 for is going to be basically the same 01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:22.110 cost as a new one. 01:17:22.380 --> 01:17:24.580 It's incredible that, you know, that resale 01:17:24.580 --> 01:17:28.470 value, often guns, the manufacturers, it's 01:17:28.470 --> 01:17:29.280 just not available. 01:17:29.280 --> 01:17:31.530 Some of the calibres or the manufacturer, the 01:17:31.530 --> 01:17:32.500 type of type of rifle. 01:17:32.500 --> 01:17:35.460 So I've got rifles in my closet that are worth 01:17:35.460 --> 01:17:37.875 more now than when I bought them three or 01:17:37.875 --> 01:17:40.815 four years ago, like it's kinda unique that way. 01:17:40.815 --> 01:17:42.615 So I don't think there's a huge 01:17:42.615 --> 01:17:43.685 benefit of going used. 01:17:43.685 --> 01:17:45.435 And like you said, there's the concern of 01:17:45.435 --> 01:17:47.565 what was the history of the rifle before so. 01:17:47.644 --> 01:17:49.505 And even if everything's fine on a firearm, but 01:17:49.505 --> 01:17:50.735 you're not hitting the target and then you're 01:17:50.735 --> 01:17:52.865 sitting in the back of your head thinking, is 01:17:52.865 --> 01:17:54.425 it because the rifles not working as it 01:17:54.425 --> 01:17:56.135 should, did somebody monkey with it, right. 01:17:56.255 --> 01:17:57.545 At least you can eliminate some of 01:17:57.545 --> 01:17:58.355 those variables. 01:17:59.015 --> 01:18:00.495 Well, and then the last thing abouy used 01:18:00.515 --> 01:18:03.255 firearms, I've got some firearms I don't like, 01:18:03.255 --> 01:18:04.695 cause I've never been able to shoot them well. 01:18:04.755 --> 01:18:04.935 Sure. 01:18:04.965 --> 01:18:06.345 So there's something fundamentally wrong 01:18:06.345 --> 01:18:07.905 with me or something fundamentally wrong 01:18:07.905 --> 01:18:09.945 with the rifle and I might consider selling 01:18:09.945 --> 01:18:11.475 that rifle and passing it on because I just 01:18:11.475 --> 01:18:13.035 never been able to get comfortable with it. 01:18:13.035 --> 01:18:14.495 So most. 01:18:14.495 --> 01:18:14.725 That's right. 01:18:14.725 --> 01:18:18.275 The firearms that I like, that I shoot well with. 01:18:18.275 --> 01:18:18.755 You hold onto them. 01:18:18.755 --> 01:18:19.545 Are still in my locker. 01:18:20.415 --> 01:18:22.325 So like the ones that are out there, I mean 01:18:22.825 --> 01:18:24.675 the only way I see, like there's benefit of 01:18:24.675 --> 01:18:27.775 going with some, where you get some benefit is 01:18:27.775 --> 01:18:29.635 maybe in the optics part. 01:18:29.635 --> 01:18:32.125 Like you might find it like an old Remington 01:18:32.155 --> 01:18:35.245 with a good Leupold golden scope on it for 01:18:35.575 --> 01:18:37.345 five or 600 bucks or something like that. 01:18:37.345 --> 01:18:39.415 And you may be getting $300 with optics and 01:18:39.415 --> 01:18:41.655 it's a three or $400 gun and the package is 01:18:42.055 --> 01:18:43.975 probably better than you might buy for the same 01:18:43.975 --> 01:18:45.805 value in the new market. 01:18:47.095 --> 01:18:48.840 There's maybe those types of deals around 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.389 and maybe if you have an uncle or a family member 01:18:51.690 --> 01:18:53.790 that you know, is passing on some guns and moving 01:18:53.790 --> 01:18:55.679 them out, there may be some options to look at. 01:18:56.059 --> 01:18:59.309 But I think, the other piece and the last 01:18:59.309 --> 01:19:00.610 question, I'm gonna ask you a Travis before 01:19:00.610 --> 01:19:01.230 I let you go and. 01:19:01.339 --> 01:19:01.580 Yeah, yeah. 01:19:01.580 --> 01:19:04.030 Enjoy the rest of your evening is, you know, 01:19:04.050 --> 01:19:05.730 people come up against the question of whether 01:19:05.730 --> 01:19:07.559 they should buy a stainless rifle or a 01:19:07.559 --> 01:19:10.320 blued rifle when thinking about their first rifle. 01:19:10.320 --> 01:19:12.360 Do you have any initial thoughts on where 01:19:12.360 --> 01:19:13.190 the value is there? 01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:14.089 Yeah, stainless. 01:19:14.929 --> 01:19:15.960 That was easy. 01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:18.599 Getting your first rifle, I mean, you're 01:19:18.599 --> 01:19:20.190 brand new to the game of learning how to 01:19:20.190 --> 01:19:21.750 clean it and learning how to care for it. 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.160 Blued firearms are great and there's 01:19:26.160 --> 01:19:26.910 nothing wrong with them. 01:19:27.030 --> 01:19:29.970 Really, if you're learning about how to 01:19:29.970 --> 01:19:33.000 care for your firearm and you're going to be 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.139 on the field for a few days, save yourself 01:19:37.139 --> 01:19:38.670 the hassle and just get something that's 01:19:38.670 --> 01:19:40.660 going to stain less. 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:42.910 It's not that it's not going to rust, right? 01:19:43.310 --> 01:19:45.570 It's, can still very well rust and the parts 01:19:45.570 --> 01:19:49.110 inside it can rust, and if you don't like the 01:19:49.110 --> 01:19:52.810 color of red color of the silver firearm paint it. 01:19:53.100 --> 01:19:55.650 Or they, you can actually, there is 01:19:55.650 --> 01:19:57.930 chemical processing, you can blacken stainless 01:19:57.930 --> 01:19:59.650 firearm, you can buy them like that too. 01:20:00.090 --> 01:20:03.840 But the old school of thought was that's 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:05.880 stainless didn't shoot as well as 01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:10.555 a, let's say blued carbon steel firearm. 01:20:11.394 --> 01:20:14.485 The advancements in metallurgy and the way 01:20:14.485 --> 01:20:17.245 it's put together, you know, most of the high 01:20:17.245 --> 01:20:19.915 end shooters are shooting stainless barrels. 01:20:20.245 --> 01:20:23.635 So I would be inclined as a brand new shooter 01:20:23.695 --> 01:20:24.894 to go that route. 01:20:24.985 --> 01:20:27.055 And then you can play around from there. 01:20:27.465 --> 01:20:28.335 I don't know, what would you say? 01:20:29.205 --> 01:20:33.205 Oh, I mean, I grew up with stainless 01:20:33.225 --> 01:20:35.325 guns, cause that was when my first kind 01:20:35.325 --> 01:20:39.045 I had and I did buy a like a beautiful 01:20:39.075 --> 01:20:43.375 wood stock Stier with a blued barrel. 01:20:43.405 --> 01:20:43.705 Oh yeah. 01:20:43.915 --> 01:20:45.615 That was that 7-08 that I came across 01:20:45.615 --> 01:20:46.245 somewhere along. 01:20:46.245 --> 01:20:46.434 Nice. 01:20:46.434 --> 01:20:46.705 The way. 01:20:47.195 --> 01:20:49.895 And, beautiful gun, I love shooting it, but 01:20:49.905 --> 01:20:53.505 like I like the thought of taking it on a 01:20:53.505 --> 01:20:55.155 sheep hunt or something just like, I was like, 01:20:55.155 --> 01:20:55.995 no, I can't do that. 01:20:55.995 --> 01:20:57.344 I'll just, just destroy it. 01:20:57.735 --> 01:21:01.775 And that's it, like, you nailed another point in 01:21:01.775 --> 01:21:03.485 there because really who cares if it's rusted? 01:21:03.514 --> 01:21:05.285 I mean, will it still shoot as long as it's 01:21:05.285 --> 01:21:06.485 not rusty in the bore? 01:21:06.905 --> 01:21:09.440 It'll so shoot, but it's the worry. 01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:10.620 It's like jewelry man. 01:21:10.620 --> 01:21:12.740 That's it, you got it. 01:21:12.940 --> 01:21:13.180 Right. 01:21:13.230 --> 01:21:15.570 So if you're going out and breaking the bank 01:21:15.570 --> 01:21:18.210 to buy some brand new first firearm you've 01:21:18.210 --> 01:21:20.820 ever had and you just got the most expensive 01:21:20.850 --> 01:21:22.590 pretty thing out there, are you really going to 01:21:23.190 --> 01:21:24.930 want to use it, right? 01:21:25.410 --> 01:21:27.840 Well, I've got a hunting partner, Jenny P, who 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:28.920 is often on the podcast. 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:35.490 She has a nice Micro Midas Browning a 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.740 firearm, and this is a real piss off. 01:21:37.770 --> 01:21:41.040 If you're a female or if you're a short statured 01:21:41.370 --> 01:21:44.760 hunter with a short pole, like the pole, you 01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:48.510 have very few options for gun manufacturers 01:21:48.510 --> 01:21:54.010 that make firearms in a smaller rifles for 01:21:54.010 --> 01:21:55.240 'em in stainless steel. 01:21:55.630 --> 01:21:57.490 In fact, there's almost no options. 01:21:57.490 --> 01:21:59.019 The majority of the manufacturers make 01:21:59.019 --> 01:22:01.690 youth model rifles, but I think in their mind, 01:22:01.690 --> 01:22:02.830 they're like, well, they're, if you're a 01:22:02.830 --> 01:22:04.750 youth you're going to grow out of this gun, so 01:22:04.750 --> 01:22:08.140 you don't really need a stainless long-term gun. 01:22:08.530 --> 01:22:12.040 But you know, I've been down this path a number 01:22:12.040 --> 01:22:15.280 of times with female friends of mine who 01:22:15.280 --> 01:22:17.919 are shorter stature, and we're looking for a 01:22:17.919 --> 01:22:20.740 smaller gun and there's very few firearms on 01:22:20.740 --> 01:22:23.740 the market that are both stainless steel, give you 01:22:23.740 --> 01:22:27.580 an array of calibres and come in more micro sizes. 01:22:27.910 --> 01:22:32.219 And the one that actually helped my cousin, Jess, 01:22:32.250 --> 01:22:35.710 and then now just Mickey buy, is a Remington 01:22:35.710 --> 01:22:40.980 Model Seve and it's a short stock and a short 01:22:40.980 --> 01:22:44.950 barrel and it does come in a stainless barrel, 01:22:46.190 --> 01:22:47.560 beautiful little gun and. 01:22:47.940 --> 01:22:49.500 But there's very few options that are 01:22:49.500 --> 01:22:52.230 available to smaller statutes shooters. 01:22:52.230 --> 01:22:54.510 So something that the industry could start 01:22:54.570 --> 01:22:57.190 cluing into that, you know, women and 01:22:57.210 --> 01:22:58.980 little people want to hunt in the mountains 01:22:58.980 --> 01:23:00.690 too, and want to have the versatility 01:23:00.690 --> 01:23:01.590 of a stainless gun. 01:23:01.620 --> 01:23:02.370 Totally. 01:23:02.940 --> 01:23:04.130 Or just make it modular. 01:23:04.130 --> 01:23:05.809 So you can just, rather than having to take 01:23:05.809 --> 01:23:08.389 it to a gunsmith and chop it down, get one 01:23:08.389 --> 01:23:10.429 that you can just take spacers out, right? 01:23:11.184 --> 01:23:11.985 You can sell to. 01:23:11.985 --> 01:23:12.445 Of course. 01:23:12.594 --> 01:23:13.134 A whole wide. 01:23:13.505 --> 01:23:15.904 From a marketing standpoint, I don't know. 01:23:16.014 --> 01:23:16.945 But you're right. 01:23:17.304 --> 01:23:17.754 You're right. 01:23:18.285 --> 01:23:19.184 Not a lot of options. 01:23:19.184 --> 01:23:20.355 And so anyway, I think it was talking about 01:23:20.355 --> 01:23:22.755 Jenny P, who I, you know, we've done huge 01:23:22.755 --> 01:23:23.775 adventure hunts together. 01:23:24.014 --> 01:23:27.355 And this poor, like Browning micro midas 01:23:27.375 --> 01:23:28.905 that she has is, which is a Woodstock and a 01:23:28.905 --> 01:23:32.054 blued barrel, like it's just been beat to shit. 01:23:32.054 --> 01:23:35.025 Like we took, last year we took 150 kilometers 01:23:35.025 --> 01:23:37.275 of whitewater rafting, you know, knocking on 01:23:37.275 --> 01:23:37.985 the bottom of a boat. 01:23:38.335 --> 01:23:41.415 It was, we went on a bear, saltwater 01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:43.230 fishing bear hunt. 01:23:43.320 --> 01:23:45.420 So her rifle is like knocking around on the 01:23:45.420 --> 01:23:47.410 front of my boat in saltwater conditions, you 01:23:47.809 --> 01:23:48.230 know. 01:23:48.230 --> 01:23:50.190 So let me ask you this, is it rusty? 01:23:52.019 --> 01:23:53.089 Oh, yeah. 01:23:53.719 --> 01:23:56.280 I mean, it'srusted up, but the barrel 01:23:56.280 --> 01:23:56.850 is probably fine. 01:23:57.050 --> 01:23:57.410 Okay. 01:23:57.620 --> 01:24:00.059 So yeah, you know, it's one of these things 01:24:00.330 --> 01:24:02.929 that you really got to stay on top of it if 01:24:02.929 --> 01:24:04.099 you're going to be in those conditions for 01:24:04.099 --> 01:24:04.910 a long period of time. 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.110 There's nothing wrong with blued, 01:24:06.150 --> 01:24:06.980 there really isn't. 01:24:07.009 --> 01:24:09.050 But for a first gun, if you had the money to 01:24:09.050 --> 01:24:12.110 spend and your looking for a little bit easier 01:24:12.110 --> 01:24:14.059 maintenance and the rest of yourself, I'd 01:24:14.059 --> 01:24:15.019 lean towards stainless. 01:24:15.974 --> 01:24:18.105 Yeah, I think stainless is, I mean, if you can 01:24:18.105 --> 01:24:20.325 afford it is probably 30% more I think, like 01:24:20.325 --> 01:24:22.275 if you go across the board to invest in 01:24:22.275 --> 01:24:23.835 the 20 or 30% more. 01:24:23.835 --> 01:24:25.425 But I think you'll get that back right away 01:24:25.425 --> 01:24:28.455 when you, the first time you get out there, you 01:24:28.455 --> 01:24:30.345 know, you come back to your tent, it's soaking 01:24:30.345 --> 01:24:31.695 wet and you're gone soaking wet, and you 01:24:31.695 --> 01:24:35.115 can't do anything to really dry it out cause 01:24:35.115 --> 01:24:36.495 you're sleeping in a pup tent for the night 01:24:36.495 --> 01:24:38.025 and it rains for four more days after that. 01:24:38.025 --> 01:24:39.772 Like it's a lot, it's really nice having 01:24:39.772 --> 01:24:40.459 that stainless in that type of conditions. 01:24:40.459 --> 01:24:42.934 Or they could listen to the tips and tricks 01:24:42.934 --> 01:24:45.005 on the EatWild podcast about how to care for 01:24:45.005 --> 01:24:46.655 your firearm, when out in the field. 01:24:46.655 --> 01:24:47.334 Well, that's great. 01:24:47.334 --> 01:24:48.214 We shouldn't mention that. 01:24:48.214 --> 01:24:51.575 So the last time that we talked, we hung 01:24:51.575 --> 01:24:53.195 out, we talked about, we had gun care in the 01:24:53.195 --> 01:24:56.585 field and storage and that was a lot of fun. 01:24:56.585 --> 01:24:58.054 And I said, that was the one that probably 01:24:58.054 --> 01:24:59.464 got the most feedback from listeners. 01:24:59.464 --> 01:25:02.625 Just like enjoyed just getting that, those tips. 01:25:02.644 --> 01:25:04.125 But this has been really fun, hanging 01:25:04.125 --> 01:25:04.725 out with you Travis. 01:25:04.725 --> 01:25:07.695 I think, we should do this more often 01:25:07.695 --> 01:25:07.995 and hang out. 01:25:07.995 --> 01:25:09.144 I think we've got a bit of a plan. 01:25:09.144 --> 01:25:11.675 I taught that I talked to Mark Hall of the 01:25:11.675 --> 01:25:15.685 Hunter Conservationist podcast and I think it'd 01:25:15.705 --> 01:25:17.985 be fun having a longer conversation around like 01:25:19.134 --> 01:25:21.705 hunter certification and training for firearms 01:25:22.075 --> 01:25:24.345 for new hunters and the standards that we apply. 01:25:24.345 --> 01:25:26.405 And what that looks like when people get 01:25:26.405 --> 01:25:27.275 out there in the field. 01:25:27.275 --> 01:25:29.045 I think there's a great conversation there. 01:25:29.045 --> 01:25:31.235 So I'm hoping that we can meet up in the next 01:25:31.235 --> 01:25:33.215 couple of months and have that conversation with 01:25:33.215 --> 01:25:34.745 Mark and you up for that? 01:25:35.065 --> 01:25:35.905 How fun would that be? 01:25:36.985 --> 01:25:38.815 And I think between the three of us, we 01:25:38.815 --> 01:25:41.635 could probably have an opinion or two on 01:25:41.635 --> 01:25:43.105 the subject matter. 01:25:43.964 --> 01:25:44.565 Perhaps. 01:25:45.344 --> 01:25:45.884 Yeah, for sure. 01:25:45.884 --> 01:25:47.415 Well, I think we've all done a lot to, you 01:25:47.415 --> 01:25:49.514 know, I think everybody at the same, when it 01:25:49.514 --> 01:25:51.434 comes to new hunters and ensuring that people 01:25:51.434 --> 01:25:53.025 have the support they need and the mentorship. 01:25:53.025 --> 01:25:54.945 I think that's something that we're all talking 01:25:54.945 --> 01:25:55.945 about and thinking about. 01:25:55.945 --> 01:25:58.724 And, we know how hard it is for new hunters to 01:25:58.724 --> 01:25:59.625 get in and get involved. 01:25:59.625 --> 01:26:02.215 So Travis, if people want to find you, where 01:26:02.275 --> 01:26:03.134 would they find you? 01:26:03.844 --> 01:26:06.094 So if they're looking for the Silvercore podcast, 01:26:06.094 --> 01:26:08.705 you can download that anywhere fine podcasts 01:26:08.705 --> 01:26:11.434 are distributed, so we're essentially on 01:26:11.940 --> 01:26:14.550 all the platforms or YouTube, or you can 01:26:14.550 --> 01:26:17.760 go to Silvercore.ca and I believe we've 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.490 got blog posts with the full transcripts. 01:26:20.490 --> 01:26:23.610 And if you have ADHD like myself and you 01:26:23.610 --> 01:26:25.390 just want to get right to the point, you can 01:26:25.390 --> 01:26:26.590 find it right there. 01:26:26.790 --> 01:26:27.230 Oh, cool. 01:26:27.410 --> 01:26:29.000 Let's take it to the next level, that's 01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:30.320 awesome and that. 01:26:30.900 --> 01:26:31.220 Awesome. 01:26:31.220 --> 01:26:31.280 Hey. 01:26:31.280 --> 01:26:32.170 And then of course Travis. 01:26:32.170 --> 01:26:33.500 Of course, you're going to have a copy of this 01:26:33.500 --> 01:26:34.400 transcript as well. 01:26:34.490 --> 01:26:36.230 If this is a share cast, I'll give you a 01:26:36.230 --> 01:26:37.520 copy and there you go. 01:26:37.550 --> 01:26:38.030 Good to go. 01:26:38.330 --> 01:26:38.630 There you go. 01:26:38.740 --> 01:26:39.310 I learned something. 01:26:39.340 --> 01:26:40.060 Yeah, for sure. 01:26:40.060 --> 01:26:41.530 Awesome, well I really enjoyed having you 01:26:41.530 --> 01:26:42.210 on here, Travis. 01:26:43.280 --> 01:26:44.980 Hey, so everybody else out there, thanks so 01:26:44.980 --> 01:26:47.370 much for hanging out with Travis and I, you 01:26:47.370 --> 01:26:49.865 know, for sure we're still living COVID life, 01:26:49.865 --> 01:26:52.475 I just want to say like we're all on lockdown 01:26:52.475 --> 01:26:53.965 here, no doubt you know, some people that are 01:26:54.235 --> 01:26:56.305 really challenged right now with maintaining 01:26:56.315 --> 01:26:56.965 social connection. 01:26:56.975 --> 01:26:59.275 So I just say, remind you to get out there, call up 01:26:59.275 --> 01:27:01.345 those friends of yours, have a conversation, 01:27:01.345 --> 01:27:02.485 reach out to them because I know that people 01:27:02.485 --> 01:27:03.085 are suffering now. 01:27:03.115 --> 01:27:04.585 Just something I've been thinking about lots right 01:27:04.585 --> 01:27:06.465 now is as these days are getting shorter. 01:27:07.445 --> 01:27:08.955 Yeah, stay connected with those people you 01:27:08.955 --> 01:27:10.045 care about and reach out. 01:27:10.435 --> 01:27:12.735 And I'll be doing more podcasts coming up and 01:27:12.735 --> 01:27:16.525 if you're looking for a gift for this Christmas, 01:27:16.525 --> 01:27:23.025 I'm rolling out my EatWild webinars series, 01:27:23.025 --> 01:27:24.585 is a great idea for the hunter in your life 01:27:24.585 --> 01:27:27.165 to give them a gift of learning and hanging out 01:27:27.165 --> 01:27:29.924 with Dylan and friends on the webinar series. 01:27:30.275 --> 01:27:32.254 I can vote for that one because I sat in on one 01:27:32.254 --> 01:27:34.174 of your webinars and that was a fun time. 01:27:34.205 --> 01:27:35.525 That was a good thing, check it out. 01:27:35.885 --> 01:27:37.275 Oh, yeah, there are tons of fun, thanks 01:27:37.275 --> 01:27:37.735 for that Travis. 01:27:37.835 --> 01:27:40.385 I enjoy doing them and usually get an audience 01:27:40.385 --> 01:27:42.605 of, you know, 20, 25 people and a few experts 01:27:42.605 --> 01:27:44.815 and we just got a presentation to follow 01:27:44.815 --> 01:27:48.065 and, yeah do our best to equip people on a topic 01:27:48.065 --> 01:27:50.014 that I think is important to be a better hunter. 01:27:50.014 --> 01:27:51.155 So yeah, they've been fun. 01:27:51.684 --> 01:27:53.025 Dylan, it was a great idea. 01:27:53.335 --> 01:27:54.385 Love doing these things. 01:27:54.385 --> 01:27:55.585 I look forward to the next one we do. 01:27:55.845 --> 01:27:56.785 Yeah, right on, that was a lot of fun.