1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,480 Unknown: Hey, welcome back to circling the drain podcast. It's 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,680 the show that wants to try to keep the entertainment world and 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,000 the radio world all of that from going into the garbage disposal. 4 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:15,180 And I think we're kind of getting there. And my partner 5 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:18,360 right over here, brother, Jay. Partner, yeah, how you doing, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,800 Jay? I'm doing fine. Partner, thank you, partner, thank you, 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,200 partner, I got an email from a young lady. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Oh, young lady, what? So you're already attracting? Young lady, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:27,800 no, 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,240 no, it's you. It's you. She wants to know if that is a 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,920 wallet in your pocket, or if you're glad to see going back to 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,300 a previous five years, a little callback there. And the guy that 13 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,540 keeps us running. Jim McCarthy, Jim, how you doing? My brother? 14 00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:46,180 I'm doing well. Thank you for having me. Well, you know, we 15 00:00:46,180 --> 00:00:49,120 were talking before the every all the cameras came on and 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,520 everything, we thought we'd invite you guys into this 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,420 discussion. We were talking about story songs, because they 18 00:00:55,420 --> 00:01:00,120 used to be pretty popular in the music world, yeah. 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,720 You know, especially in the country music genre, Oh, yeah. 20 00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:07,560 But, you know, even in the in the pop world as well, well, 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,340 we were just talking about the one that I liked it. It didn't 22 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:14,580 seem like you guys were as wild about us as I was, but the wreck 23 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:17,400 of the Edmund Fitzgerald, I always loved that song. 24 00:01:19,620 --> 00:01:21,380 Yeah, I understand I wasn't a big 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,420 no, I I totally agree with you, though. I mean, I was certainly 26 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:30,740 captivated by that song, even though the melody just kind of 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,640 went over and over. Well, yeah, and the song was, it was three 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,020 days long. Also it 29 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:38,480 was very long, but it was a great three business days, yes, 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,420 but it has some great 31 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:43,480 line, absolutely. I mean, Gordon Lightfoot, you know, sadly, he 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,260 passed away here, what about a year or so back? And, yeah, he, 33 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,860 you know, he was one of those artists that people under seem 34 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:55,360 to under appreciate, as is the case with many artists. I guess 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,880 people in general, after he passed, people came out of the 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,440 woodwork about how great he was, well, 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,940 and that always the case, yeah, yeah, that's always the and why 38 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:06,900 is that? I always wonder why all of a sudden, records just take 39 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:09,960 off. When these guys it was when, like, Eddie Van Halen 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,020 died, the Van Halen catalog just went nuts, 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,960 yeah, and the best career move was death, yeah, it really is. 42 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:20,540 You know, remember when Michael Jackson passed crazy with with 43 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:23,540 his records. But you know that happened recently with Ozzy, 44 00:02:23,780 --> 00:02:26,960 yeah, did you know? Oh, really did Black Sabbath stuff? 45 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,779 I think when people die early, you know, Kurt Cobain, 46 00:02:29,779 --> 00:02:32,719 unexpected, Jimmy Hendrix, right? They're, they're, they're 47 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:36,379 just, you know, the 27 club, yeah, it's, they're basically 48 00:02:36,379 --> 00:02:37,519 put up on a pedestal, for 49 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:38,359 sure. Yeah, they are. 50 00:02:38,359 --> 00:02:43,959 Janis Joplin, yeah, legendary. Morrison, yeah, Brian Jones of 51 00:02:43,959 --> 00:02:46,359 the stone. But it seemed like, boy, there were a bunch of them 52 00:02:46,359 --> 00:02:51,819 there in the 60s and early 70s. Van Gogh, yeah. Van Gogh, he van 53 00:02:51,819 --> 00:02:52,179 went. 54 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:03,540 That was very good. In fact, he started the my late friend Phil 55 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:08,100 Valentine started on his show. If anybody wasn't quite 56 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,500 listening as closely as they should, he'd always call them a 57 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,140 Van Gogh listeners. And for those that don't know the Van 58 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:18,060 Gogh story, he cut off an ear and didn't he send it to a lover 59 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:22,820 or girl that he was Yeah, yeah. Didn't quite work out. That's 60 00:03:22,820 --> 00:03:23,360 kind of 61 00:03:23,900 --> 00:03:27,620 he did not. He didn't see that he was friend zoned, yeah? She 62 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:29,060 put, she put him in the friend zone. 63 00:03:29,060 --> 00:03:32,420 Yeah, she did, yeah. We could still be friends, right? But, 64 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:35,240 you know, there's so many great story songs out there. One guy 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,620 that was really good, I thought, in writing story songs was Guy 66 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:43,840 Clark. What a great I mean, yeah, homegrown tomatoes, yeah, 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Randall knife about his father. I mean, very, very good song. 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,220 But you guys aren't the first person people that talked about 69 00:03:51,220 --> 00:03:54,040 the need for the story song, the concept of the story song to 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,100 make a comeback. My brother is of the same opinion. 71 00:03:57,339 --> 00:03:59,739 Well, we're right there with him, yeah, right there with you, 72 00:03:59,739 --> 00:04:00,959 bro, yeah. But, I 73 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:04,379 mean, you know, the songwriting industry, and the whole music 74 00:04:04,379 --> 00:04:08,399 industry is, like, you know, even Neil Thrasher talks about 75 00:04:08,579 --> 00:04:11,459 AI being the best co writer right now, and that's going to 76 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:11,939 be a thing. 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,780 Boy, AI, boy, that's going to be an, what we talked about, that's 78 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:19,200 going to be, you talk about a death nail the radio, well, 79 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,700 radio talent, and it's and it's troubling for the music 80 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:25,040 business. Yeah, it is very troubling. Well, in fact, we're 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,640 already seeing it. If you, if you look at social media, 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,720 they're putting out a lot, and especially like on Facebook, I 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,220 noticed it more so than any other. They're putting up AI 84 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,600 images that aren't real, and they're also putting stories to 85 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:44,080 it that, yeah, that are BS. Yeah, they are. I mean, they're 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,260 not even true. There's one out now that says there's going to 87 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:52,780 be a big 2026, tour with stones and Springsteen and, oh, really, 88 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:55,180 oh yeah, all these acts are getting together. And I'm 89 00:04:55,180 --> 00:04:57,460 thinking, that's not happening. Yeah, no, it's not gonna 90 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:59,920 happen. I did it. I always thought like a good collab. 91 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:02,640 Collaboration would have been with Eddie Van Halen and Ricky 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,160 Skaggs. That would have been, I think you actually I put the 93 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,400 picture up and you, I think you commented on it, yeah, as well 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,000 as Mike fucel Fussel, yeah, was the tree. He was a die hard 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,660 Eddie Van Halen fan. I said that would have been a collaboration 96 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:16,920 just for us nerds. 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,980 Well, yeah, it would. And you talk about two guys that can 98 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:23,960 play, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah. I love Ricky Skaggs. I mean that 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,620 dude 100 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 can play anything. It's got strings on it. Son of a gun, can 101 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:28,580 play. Yes, he can. 102 00:05:28,580 --> 00:05:32,360 And, and, plus a big Beatles fan, yeah, big Beatles fan. In 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,980 fact, he always wanted to get a when I met him, he wanted to get 104 00:05:36,980 --> 00:05:39,440 together with me and talk Beatles, which I always will 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:39,920 with people. 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Well, you know what? Maybe we get to bring him on the show. I 107 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:42,940 think that would be 108 00:05:42,940 --> 00:05:45,700 great. The Beatles, yeah. Let's talk Beatles, really, yeah. 109 00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:51,700 You know, getting back to AI, with respect to music, I'm sure 110 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:54,700 you guys have seen there was an and there been a couple of them, 111 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:59,320 but there was one act in particular that had many, many 112 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,540 live streams, was kind of on the charts, quote, unquote, and it 113 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:08,100 was total AI, and even the photos of the band members were 114 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,960 AI created. It was all AI, and the public had no clue until 115 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,120 they came out. That sounded weird, yeah, until they until 116 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,860 they made themselves, you know, public in the sense that, hey, 117 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,640 this is all BS. There are no live musicians here. This is all 118 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,560 totally, totally AI, well, 119 00:06:27,980 --> 00:06:31,400 you know, that's kind of a sad thing with music for me right 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,340 now. I was just thinking about this the other day. You know, 121 00:06:34,340 --> 00:06:37,580 when you listen to a lot of the records from I'll take Dave 122 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:41,800 Clark, five, for example, glad all over. If you listen to that 123 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,000 song. I mean, it's got power, but it's not perfect. There are 124 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,040 mistakes in that song and but the sound of it, the sound of 125 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,340 that record, I think that's missing in today's music, 126 00:06:54,340 --> 00:06:56,200 because everything's so damn perfect 127 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,860 well. And you know when Jimmy Bowen came along into into 128 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:03,000 Nashville, you know, when I worked for him at MCA, brilliant 129 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,260 dude. You know, he brought the whole digital thing to Music 130 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:12,240 City and got him off of analog and got him off the tape. And, 131 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:15,780 you know, the community, the, you know, the old guard, if you 132 00:07:15,780 --> 00:07:19,680 will, just went ballistic, claiming that kind of what 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,080 you're saying, that it became too pristine, yeah, clean, too 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,420 cold. It was, it lost its warmth. 135 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:29,780 Well, you know, with country music, I don't know it didn't, 136 00:07:29,780 --> 00:07:32,900 it didn't bother me as much, because I did like some of the 137 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:36,320 production on Jimmy Bowen's. I thought he was great producer. 138 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,780 Absolutely, the guy was brilliant, yeah, because, I 139 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:42,700 mean, waylons career, when he got a hold of Waylon. Waylon had 140 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:46,960 been sticking with the same sound for so long that it kind 141 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,820 of lost its, you know, it's allure. And then when he did, 142 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:55,060 will the wolf survive with Jimmy Bowen, that was a great, great, 143 00:07:55,060 --> 00:08:00,280 great album in his version of that, oh yeah, just kicked butt 144 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,920 man with the mandolins, that hot mandolin there, yeah, 145 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:09,180 but with rock and roll music, I think a lot of the best rock and 146 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:14,340 roll music was made, I mean, was done in the studios and and, 147 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,700 like I said, Dave Clark, five is a great example. Glad all over 148 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:20,660 if you've never heard that song, if you're a youngster out there, 149 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:24,260 listen to the song and listen to the energy that record 150 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:27,980 that, that's the word for me, energy. I mean, you go back to a 151 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:32,840 lot of that old rare earth, oh yeah, stuff, man, just sizzles 152 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,400 needles, the stones, the energy on that, those records, you 153 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,800 know, just sounds like hey, and I'm sure it was, you know, they 154 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:45,280 just all piled in a studio, and, you know what? 2123, and, you 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,600 know, in a way, they went, Man, 156 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:49,180 yeah, Dave Clark was not the greatest drummer. I mean, I 157 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:53,080 think you can back me up on that, but there was something 158 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,000 about his sound. People will say the same 159 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,940 thing about Ringo. Oh, Ringo was perfect for the beat. He was 160 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:00,040 absolutely perfect. And the thing is that, and Greg 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,700 Bissonette identified this. He says, you take the music out of 162 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,160 and you just listen to the drums on any Beatles song, you could 163 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,620 tell what it is. You could tell what song it is. Yes, he was 164 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:11,340 that good in terms of making it identifiable. And you could say 165 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,700 a lot of these guys came up with their own sound. Alex Van Halen, 166 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:17,160 for sure, you know, you could tell he's playing. You could 167 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,440 tell Neil's playing. You could tell just a lot of guys are some 168 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,260 for most drummers, they don't really come up with their own 169 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:28,280 sound, but I will say I did when I when I had to play with the 170 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,420 Huey band a couple months ago. Yeah, I wanted to put a click 171 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:35,840 track just to because they had different, like tracks we were 172 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,240 playing with, but I wanted to have the actual music as a 173 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,160 reference when I was practicing right? That was a chore, because 174 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,020 those guys didn't record with a click, 175 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:50,320 yeah, well, and when you try to, because I have a friend, Todd 176 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,220 Austin, who is known as Todd Zilla in Nashville, great guitar 177 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:58,180 player. He was playing with a prince tribute band, and they 178 00:09:58,180 --> 00:10:03,480 were really good. But. He said, Man, trying to replicate. He 179 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,380 said that dude was a brilliant guitar player, yeah, and try and 180 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:12,540 Todd also, it was big Van Halen fan, and that's who Todd kind of 181 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:16,560 reminds me of. Is Prince, a combination of Prince and Van 182 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:20,360 Halen, right? That's the kind of sound that I think he brings 183 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:20,720 out. 184 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:25,460 And my point being is that with those old records here, they are 185 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,600 having a lasting impact, almost, standards. Yes, you know, cross, 186 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:33,260 not from genre, but you know, generation, multi, generation 187 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:36,380 hits. You know, don't stop believing. What are the don't 188 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:39,560 stop believings being written today. You know what I mean? 189 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:42,880 No, exactly. And I think one thing that's hurting it too, is 190 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,720 the concert prices, right? Because when we were growing up, 191 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,320 it didn't cost that much to go to a concert, seven or eight 192 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,980 bucks maybe, and you were in, you know. But nowadays, I mean, 193 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:56,320 you're talking, it's getting up to $500,000 194 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,980 to, well, to go to a show, 195 00:10:59,980 --> 00:11:03,720 yeah. I mean, what? McCartney here in Nashville, oh, man, you 196 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,960 know, over 1000 bucks just to, you know, of course, a smaller 197 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,020 venue as well, that affects things, yet it does, yeah, 198 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,200 but yeah, that's what's I think that, and I think that's what's 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,040 kind of killing rock music right now, is that, where are the kids 200 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,240 going to get their inspiration from if they can't afford to go 201 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,380 to these shows, because a lot of the musicians that we really dug 202 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,860 like Van Halen brothers, for example, they were not, they 203 00:11:27,860 --> 00:11:31,100 didn't grow up wealthy, no, and they wouldn't have been able to, 204 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:35,420 you know, put together $500 to go to a show. 205 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:40,160 They also grew up in an age, and an age, a time and a location 206 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,020 that was lightning in a bottle. Oh, was 207 00:11:42,020 --> 00:11:46,000 it ever? Yeah, and talk about perfect, yep. I mean, getting 208 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,660 David Lee Roth, getting Michael Anthony, just the Sunset Strip 209 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,960 that whole night. Oh, it was. And the sad thing about Michael 210 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,700 Anthony, I think that guy gets a real he's kind of like Ringo. He 211 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:00,280 gets a short shrift. You know, people say, well, he wasn't that 212 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,840 great of a bass player. He was, but very he was, he was 213 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,020 underrated. But what he really brought to the band was the 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,220 sound of vocal sound, because David's vocals would have really 215 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,200 sucked without, without that high. Michael, Anthony, 216 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:22,100 well, kind of like, uh, Buck Owens and Don rich, exactly, you 217 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:25,820 know, after Don rich, sadly, you know, was killed in that 218 00:12:25,820 --> 00:12:29,720 motorcycle wreck. I think he was like 34 Yes, when he passed 219 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,000 buck, Owen's career was never the same. No, it 220 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,660 really wasn't. He added a lot to his sound, yeah. So, yeah, 221 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:39,860 there's a lot of but, yeah, I wish it's not that I want to go 222 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:43,660 back so much, but I think they're trying too hard to make 223 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:49,360 every record just perfect. And Perfection doesn't always mean 224 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,220 the greatest musical ever heard. Sometimes you take Deep Purple's 225 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:58,600 made in Japan, for example, that was a great record, and there 226 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,340 were no overdubs, no overdubs done at all, and you can hear 227 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:06,600 mistakes in it. Blackmore makes mistakes. In fact, Blackmore 228 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,560 used to drive me crazy because he never replicated the the 229 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:15,060 total solo he did on Highway star, which was one of my 230 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:19,500 favorite Deep Purple songs, but he always screwed around in I 231 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:23,240 think he's a great guitar player. Was like, play the solo 232 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,280 like you recorded, come on. 233 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,780 Well, you know, when it was recorded, it was probably just 234 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,640 free form, you know? And, well, yeah, they're trying to recreate 235 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,640 that any given night kind of that's true, that's 236 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,220 true. And plus, they recorded it in a hotel, 237 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,560 which is how they came up with Smoke on the Water. 238 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:47,200 You know, live albums, 239 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:55,000 to me, you know, way back when, just the sound of them, the I 240 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000 don't know, just the audio quality of a lot of live albums, 241 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,400 way back when, I never really liked live albums for that 242 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,980 reason, until Elton John's 1117, 70. That was a great record 243 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,360 where they just kicked ass. Three guys, man, Dee Murray on 244 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,800 bass. Oh yeah, Nigel Olsen on drums. I had, I had dinner with 245 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,200 Nigel Olsen. Did you really way back when? Anyway, and and then, 246 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,140 of course, Elton on piano. And there were mistakes in that. I 247 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:27,860 mean, it was live that, I think the Troubadour in LA, yes, is 248 00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:31,580 where that was recorded. And just that, you know, going back 249 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:34,940 to the word energy, yeah, I mean the energy and passion. I mean 250 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:39,620 Elton was smoking back then. Oh yeah, he was, you know, I think 251 00:14:39,620 --> 00:14:44,440 that was his best period from about 70 till about 7475 when he 252 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,400 started the caribou album, with all the drugs and stuff, is 253 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,280 where he just, kind of, you know, started to write, to go 254 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,600 downhill, but mad man across the water. Tumbleweed, connection, 255 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,920 honky chateau, my favorite, you know, I mean, just great stuff. 256 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Stuff. And again, it was all about just the passion and the 257 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,320 energy of those albums. And I don't know, I don't sense that 258 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,860 in some of the the newer stuff. Now, of course, things are now 259 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:16,620 so electronic. Yeah, that's that kind of for me. Anyways, a turn 260 00:15:16,620 --> 00:15:19,620 off. Well, they also overdub now, I mean, if there's a 261 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:24,440 mistakes made on live show. They'll overdub now. Van Halen 262 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,640 last live Record Tokyo dumb and concert. You know, they didn't 263 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,780 overdub anything on that because their mistakes and plus Dave's 264 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:35,600 voice, you know, nowadays is God 265 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:40,100 not stellar. Yeah. Did you guys watch the Billy Joel documentary 266 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,560 that came out? No, I've yet 267 00:15:41,860 --> 00:15:44,440 to see that. Oh, it's incredible. Is that right here? 268 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Is that a Netflix thing? Ah, there might be primer Netflix, 269 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,340 one of the two. But, you know, just following his career and 270 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:54,340 everything, speaking of getting back the story songs, you know, 271 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:55,060 piano, man, 272 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:59,380 yeah. I mean, right? Billy Joel, I mean, a number of his big hits 273 00:15:59,380 --> 00:16:00,400 were story songs. 274 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,420 Oh yeah, the entertainer. What a great, great, great tune. 275 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,820 Italian restaurant, yes, yeah. The Entertainer was a an angry 276 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:10,020 song, because he's like, 277 00:16:10,020 --> 00:16:13,320 we're getting this off. Yes. Let me write about Well, see, I like 278 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,860 those. I kind of like them. I like the tunes that where people 279 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,980 take well, I David Allen co had 280 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,320 one boy, he did a lot of those screw you mentality, oh yeah. 281 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Sense of 282 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,060 humor was a good one, yeah. 283 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,040 But there was, comes when you're pissed off, yeah, 284 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,840 but, but when he wrote one that I loved, it was kind of directed 285 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,920 toward the music industry, and he dedicated it to Bob Dylan. 286 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,860 Was called castles in the sand. Yes, I remember. And that was a 287 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:42,820 great and talk about a great story song. And we'll have this 288 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:47,500 guy on with us, actually, the guy that wrote the ride where he 289 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:49,060 meets the ghost of Hank Williams. 290 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:52,600 David Allen co David, you know, with the big hit, yeah, but it'd 291 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 be Gary Gentry. He's a great songwriter, and has written a 292 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,940 lot of but we'll have him in, yeah, he's, he had a lot of 293 00:16:57,940 --> 00:16:59,500 great story songs, like 1959 294 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,840 John Anderson, yeah, yeah. Some good, good stuff. So yeah, 295 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,080 looking forward to to meeting him. So he's a cool guy. 296 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,659 It's funny, because I think the allure of a story song still 297 00:17:09,659 --> 00:17:12,899 exists, especially amongst the young population. Believe it or 298 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:16,259 not, like my daughter, who's still a teenager, she's 19, she 299 00:17:16,259 --> 00:17:18,899 was into a play. She's very big into Broadway shows, especially 300 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,279 contemporary ones. They were very big into Hamilton. Yeah, it 301 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:24,439 really kind of piqued my interest when she got into a 302 00:17:24,499 --> 00:17:28,279 show called Dear Evan Hansen. And the music in that is really 303 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:31,219 good. And of course, you know, Broadway plays tell a story, and 304 00:17:31,219 --> 00:17:35,359 the musicality of them to help to tell those stories. But it 305 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,999 was, yeah, I mean, it's so there's something there, you 306 00:17:37,999 --> 00:17:41,019 know that if you're, if you're a songwriter in town, give 307 00:17:41,020 --> 00:17:44,980 it a shot. Oh, yeah, I'll tell you who another guy that did a 308 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:48,700 great job with story songs, and it may engage guys. May not 309 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:53,140 agree with me, but Alice Cooper, yeah, great, great story song. 310 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,300 Oh, I know just, you know, I had a friend of mine, or is actually 311 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:03,120 a friend of my father's. He did it. He had a rock station in 312 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,740 Kansas, and Alice Cooper played. He was about the only him, and 313 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:10,620 there were only a few bands that came through my hometown of 314 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:15,960 Wichita. Alice played there every year, right? And this guy 315 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,840 was going, he took every act out for dinner, and had a lot of 316 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,380 interesting stories. He said Alice Cooper totally blew him 317 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:27,620 away, because he said, I go to pick this guy up, and I'm 318 00:18:27,620 --> 00:18:31,280 expecting a real freak show. He said he was like Fred McMurray, 319 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:35,900 you know, my three sons. Yeah. He said he was just very 320 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:40,780 straight down the drank a lot of beer, but, yeah, but he said, 321 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,260 very normal, nothing like what he was expecting. 322 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:47,740 Yeah, Budweiser was his sponsor back then. Yeah, it was Yeah. 323 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:51,160 And I think he personally kept Budweiser in business the way he 324 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,160 for a long time. Yeah, he was a practitioner, yes. But, you 325 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:54,280 know, 326 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:57,700 it was kind of like me and Jack Daniels. You know, I drank so 327 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:01,560 much Jack Daniels that when I went to visit the Jack Daniels 328 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,280 distillery here in Tennessee, they had a new walkway that they 329 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,920 had just put in. I swear to God, I probably paid for that. 330 00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:13,320 Well, when you walked in there, it was like norm on cheers, you 331 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:13,500 know, 332 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:21,380 thank you for keeping us in business for so many years. That 333 00:19:21,380 --> 00:19:24,380 was the worst thing. Whenever I quit drinking, I think they 334 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:28,340 quiet the blues at Jack Daniels, oh, man, he's oh no, oh no. He 335 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:29,480 lost Johnny. 336 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,240 Yeah, Alice now, all totally 337 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,380 Christian, yeah, totaler, yeah. Oh hey, man, good for him. 338 00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:42,520 You're not kidding, man, yeah, I saw him at a send amphitheater 339 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,860 when he, you know, here in Nashville, I guess it's been a 340 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:48,400 couple of years ago now, and, you know, still entertaining as 341 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000 can be with all of the theatrics and and whatnot. You know. 342 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,580 Well, he brought back the old band too, which I'm glad, 343 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,840 because I've missed that band, to be honest, I like the other 344 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,460 musicians he's had. It, but it didn't have the magic that those 345 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:06,000 guys had together. And so now they brought it back with the 346 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,600 revenge of Alice Cooper. So I'm anxious to hear the whole album. 347 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,560 I've heard some of it. 348 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,260 You know, he'll be here next month with Judas Priest. Yes, he 349 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:14,400 will first think, 350 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:19,320 all right, yeah, yeah. The venue that's impossible to get in and 351 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,380 out. Have you been there? Yeah, the last time I was there, I sat 352 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:26,720 there longer than I wanted to, trying to get in and out of 353 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,560 there. It was just one lane. They had, you know, to get in 354 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:30,920 and out. 355 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,380 I just Uber in and out. Man, 356 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,240 you're the smart man. That's why Jim is our guy. He's really the 357 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,980 brains of this old right, you 358 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:42,520 know, and that's troubling. But you know 359 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:45,580 that we talk about venues. We used to have a place here called 360 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:46,300 Starwood. 361 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:48,640 Oh, yep, saw many great acts there. Yeah, 362 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,760 it was, oh, I had a great time down there. But yeah, trying to 363 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,240 leave that place, because, as always, it could be a challenge. 364 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,060 Oh, it could be. Everybody was Murfreesboro Road, yeah, then 365 00:20:58,060 --> 00:21:01,380 they were inebriated. A lot of people, that is true. Yeah, 366 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:02,160 don't get behind 367 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,560 the wheel if you're when did they build that place? That was 368 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,520 before I moved here. 369 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Oh, man, that had to be the 80s. Well, I moved here in 85 and it 370 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,400 was here then, yeah, well, 371 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,660 it was rolling 372 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:14,880 by then, because the amphitheater, I guess they were 373 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,000 one of the first model amphitheater that came out, 374 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,260 because the amphitheater model took off in the 90s, because we 375 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:23,420 had the in Hartford, Connecticut. We had the big 376 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:26,420 amphitheater up there. It's, you know, it was like the CT 377 00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:32,060 now.com, it was initially called the meadows, and, you know, as a 378 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:35,120 ct now.com, meadows music. That was such a mouthful to say on 379 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:35,540 the radio. 380 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:36,500 Oh, I know 381 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:42,280 I'm hearing rumors that they're trying to revive Starwood, 382 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,940 really, that'd be kind of cool, because I enjoyed Starwood. 383 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,240 I don't know if, I don't know what is there anything in its 384 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,880 old location? Now, I've, now, I haven't been out there, you 385 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,080 know, Antioch. I haven't, 386 00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:56,020 no, I haven't either, yeah, I don't know if it's not a desired 387 00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:56,740 place to go, 388 00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:01,860 yeah, yeah. It can be a little rough, yeah. But, you know, the 389 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:07,020 story songs, many of them also seem to transcend genres. Yes, 390 00:22:07,020 --> 00:22:11,340 you know, I mean, the gambler, that thing was played everywhere 391 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:14,820 in the same thing with Marty Robbins El Paso, that was a big 392 00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:19,200 pop hit as well back in 1960 Yeah. And Kenny Rogers had 393 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,280 another one called Lucille. Yeah, Lucille and coward of the 394 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,400 county. I mean, he really rolled with those stories, songs there, 395 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,100 you know. And let's face it, those kicked his career into 396 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:31,220 another gear. I mean, you know, he was just kind of languishing 397 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:32,900 with that whole first edition thing. 398 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:36,980 Oh, yeah. He was country music really. I mean, Larry Butler 399 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:40,420 should be, yeah, the really commended for bringing him back 400 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:41,500 from, yeah. 401 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,520 And then, you know, that period there in the mid 80s where Kenny 402 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,860 Rogers kind of sort of announced that he was a pop star, you 403 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:55,540 know, he was doing a lot of that lush, orchestra laden stuff, you 404 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:58,900 know, Lady and, oh yeah, when he got with Lionel Richie, Lionel 405 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:03,900 Richie. And then, you know, kind of disowned, dissed country 406 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,620 radio to a certain degree. Yeah, and there were a lot of country 407 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:10,860 stations. I remember it well. It's like, Hey, Kenny, just 408 00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:14,580 remember us, yes, see this yeah, see this thing. 409 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:17,100 Yeah. 410 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:21,000 Tell us how you really Yeah, yeah. 411 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,000 So he did himself no favors doing that, but, but, yeah, 412 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Kenny Rogers, you know, I, I got to be around Kenny a bit. I was 413 00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:40,960 stage managing a TV special that was filmed in Branson, and Kenny 414 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,120 Rogers was one of the, well, he was kind of a presenter on the 415 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,320 on the show and, you know, teleprompter and all that stuff 416 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,980 at a podium. And they ran into some technical problems. I mean, 417 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:56,980 it was a live taping thing with an audience and whatnot, yeah, 418 00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,980 and Kenny Rogers, you know, I went and, you know, he said, 419 00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,760 Hey, we're ready for Kenny. So I run back to the dressing room, 420 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,880 you know, you know Mr. Rogers, you know time for you know, I 421 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,000 didn't sound like that, but you know what I mean, Hey, Kenny, 422 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:09,780 we're ready for you. 423 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,620 So, like an old school lucky 424 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:16,620 strikes, that's right, yeah. 425 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,980 But so anyway, I grabbed Kenny, you know, and we go into the 426 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:25,100 wings there, and we're waiting. And then they're like, oh, hold 427 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:28,580 up. Well, you know, delay. So I'm standing there with Kenny. 428 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:31,640 We're shooting the breeze a little bit. And then finally, 429 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280 you know, we kind of the delay got a little longer, a little 430 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,020 longer, and, you know, we're keeping this clean, but he 431 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,500 probably said more F words, waiting on, you know, what the f 432 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:49,900 is taking so effing, you know, FF and ballistic, you know, it 433 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:56,080 was like Tony Montana in Scarface, you know. But, yeah, 434 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,600 he grew very, very impatient, you know? Yeah, well. Was going 435 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,960 on. And finally, when everything was clear, you know, he pops out 436 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,660 on the stage and, you know, good evening and never, you know, 437 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:09,000 just missed, you know, he turned it on. You know, 438 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,820 see, that's what I love about Pete. There was a, and I won't 439 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,600 say who it was, but I was told about someone that was on local 440 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,920 TV here, the newscaster female, and they said that and that, 441 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:28,100 they said that she was just blowing a gasket. I mean, 442 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:33,500 cussing everybody out, yelling nothing was right. And they were 443 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:37,160 count and they were counting her down and when, when they got to 444 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,800 where she was on camera. Hi, I'm 445 00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:44,080 Little Miss Sunshine. 446 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,380 See, I couldn't do that because I remember when I worked with 447 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:52,360 Phil Valentine, if I was really having a bad day, and Phil would 448 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:56,080 always do this. I think he did it on purpose because he wanted 449 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960 me to lose it on the air. But he'd go everything, all right, 450 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,640 in there. And instead of going, everything's great, Phil, we're 451 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,340 having a great time. Instead, it was, you know, no, 452 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,940 who's asking? 453 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,800 But yeah, Branson, Missouri, that's another I remember Johnny 454 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,440 Cash. Johnny Cash had the, I think he said this to his 455 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,560 daughter. I read this in a book that Robert Hilbert did on on 456 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,360 Johnny Cash. But apparently, when Johnny Cash went to went to 457 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,940 Branson, come on in, dude, come on in, because you're going to 458 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:38,000 be on the show, on our next on our next podcast. Yeah, we're, 459 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:41,980 we're doing one right now, but Gary Gentry has joined us. He's 460 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:45,700 gonna be good to see you, bro. But we're talking about story 461 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,520 songs. This guy actually wrote some great ones. Yeah, some 462 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,340 classics. But I was gonna tell you about Johnny Cash, right 463 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:55,120 with Branson, Missouri. He apparently told his daughter. He 464 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,760 said, You know the difference between Jurassic Park and 465 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,160 Branson, Missouri? Blue hair. 466 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,020 I so which daughter was that? John? It was Kathy. It was, 467 00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:08,220 again, it was a cat. 468 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,300 John Carter, wouldn't there, you know, 469 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:17,640 but, yeah, again, you know, getting back to the crossing 470 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,700 over to different formats and stuff, I mean, story songs have 471 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,300 more of a propensity to do that than, you know, any other types 472 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:28,580 of songs, certainly too, you know, because, I mean, people 473 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:33,260 from whether you're a rock fan, pop fan, country, bluegrass, 474 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,960 whatever it may be, you can still relate to these story 475 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,680 songs. Oh yeah, death. You know, regardless of the quote, unquote 476 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,540 style of the song itself. Can't forget about Harry Chapin, man, 477 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,280 oh yeah, the master 478 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,640 cats in the cradle. What a great song, W O L D, oh yeah. That was 479 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,360 a great song. W O L D, I'm all about Harry Chase. 480 00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:58,420 He had a lot of good songs he did, yeah, I guess that's like 481 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,460 that. That's the only death that happened that didn't really have 482 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:05,640 the effect, you know, it kind of, I mean, his music may be 483 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,640 kind of the cats in the cradle, of course, had longevity, but 484 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,180 the rest of the songs are just, you got to really like my wife 485 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:15,120 introduced me to a lot of his music because her parents used 486 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,700 to listen to it. And, you know, we used to listen to it when we 487 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,960 dated, when we got married, and cleaning the apartment, and it 488 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,820 just gets embedded, yeah, it's just good 489 00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:26,240 stuff, yeah, yeah. I mean, it seems like just about everything 490 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,500 he did was a story song, taxi. Oh yeah, I forgot about that 491 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:38,780 one. Yeah. How are you, Harry? So, yeah, that that, yeah, and, 492 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,980 but where are those types of songwriters again, you know, 493 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,360 Gary Gentry, just walking in, you'll be joining us here in a 494 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,860 podcast. And, yeah, you know, I would love to kind of ask him, 495 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:53,860 you know, what he thinks about, you know, where is this other? 496 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:58,120 Where is the new generation that has the ability, or the desire, 497 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,480 perhaps, to write those songs? You know, 498 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,420 yeah, we need more of those, because there was such great 499 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:04,500 writers. Very true. 500 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,880 But, I mean, even, 501 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,320 to be fair, a lot of the hits in the 80s, the rock hits and stuff 502 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,160 like that, you know, jump wasn't a story song, not at all. What 503 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,260 would you what kind of a song would you call that? Though? 504 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,400 Jump, yeah, 505 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,500 that's a great question. 506 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:22,520 It's inspirational, 507 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,360 believe. Well, I thought it was, I thought it kind of, I 508 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,740 understood it. I've asked, kind of the way David Lee Roth, you 509 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:35,900 know, had written it, that it's trying to tell you to jump and, 510 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,800 you know, to go, like, say, if you're, if you're trying to 511 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,420 reach a goal of some kind, jump for it, right? Or if you're 512 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:46,780 trying to ask a girl out and you're afraid to jump, make it 513 00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:49,720 happen, even if everything goes wrong, at least you jumped. At 514 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,920 least you you tried to reach the brass ring, so to speak, 515 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,680 like presently conceptual, I guess would be, 516 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,900 wow, man, that's too heavy. 517 00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:02,880 That's really deep. Yeah. Up. I always loved what he the story 518 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,320 he told of what inspired him to write it. He always said that he 519 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,900 was in his car in LA and that somebody was threatening to 520 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,060 jump. Oh, really, off a bridge. 521 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:18,000 Go ahead, jump. 522 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,340 Have you read the book The brothers 523 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:26,360 book yet? Yeah, I have, yeah, very good, yeah, very good book. 524 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,740 I was just surprised. There were nothing about the Hagar years or 525 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:32,240 anything of that nature. 526 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,000 Yeah, Alex is holding on to that anger. Well, there's 527 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000 the Van Halen brothers as a talent as they are. They know 528 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,020 how to hold a grudge. I know they do that better than they 529 00:30:41,020 --> 00:30:43,840 do. They're even they're playing, I know they're very 530 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,860 dedicated to that. 531 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,240 It's like, you know, it's a double, double edged sword with 532 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,880 the sharper side of it pointed towards you, yeah? Living on 533 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,460 anger like that. Yeah, it is. That's ridiculous. But you know, 534 00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:57,940 Bon Jovi living on a prayer. It's kind of a story song, yeah, 535 00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:59,620 it is. Well, Tommy and Gina 536 00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:03,480 and what was the other one that he had? He did, I think it was a 537 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,120 solo Bon Jovi. Was it glory? Was laser glory? Yeah, that was kind 538 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,140 of a story song, 539 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:11,640 right? 540 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:19,680 And there was a song that Mark chestnut cut that was, I 541 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,100 believe, a Bon Jovi song, really. And it was, it was a 542 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,820 single in chest. I, you know, we used to play it on the the 543 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,840 classic country station, yeah, and I'm drawing a blank on the 544 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,960 title of the thing, but at the time, chestnut said it was a 545 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,780 mistake that he recorded that. But it still gets played, you 546 00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:43,060 know, on, on classic country, 547 00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:46,300 yeah, there's some, there's some country covers that probably 548 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,340 should have never been done. You know, far as 549 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:51,640 rock Conway Twitty, slow hand. What did you think of that? Or 550 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,380 heartache tonight? You know, Conway, 551 00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:56,619 heartache tonight was a little. I actually liked his version of 552 00:31:56,619 --> 00:32:00,539 slow hand. I thought it was okay. The Rose, yeah, that's a 553 00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:00,959 little 554 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,300 Yeah, yeah. Conway was in that period there on Warner Brothers 555 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,540 where he just was like, Mr. Cover, you know, 556 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,080 the one that really came to my mind when we were talking about 557 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,880 this. And Gary, I'm sorry if you're a fan of this song, but 558 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:22,580 Garth Brooks version of fever by Aerosmith I couldn't get 559 00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:26,000 in. Yeah, or, what about shameless, what did you think of 560 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400 that? It was all right, you know the Billy Joel. 561 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,840 It was our I see, I'm not a, 562 00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:33,440 truth be told, I'm just not a big Garth fan. 563 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Yeah, honey. You and I've talked about that. I am not either. I 564 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,740 mean, I'm just really indifferent. 565 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,840 I mean, well, I am too. It's not that I dislike him, right? Yeah, 566 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,640 he's just not my cup of tea. 567 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,240 Yeah, yeah, that. But, you know, you got to give him credit 568 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,780 there, though, 569 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,260 oh my gosh. I mean, the guy changed 8990, 570 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,980 when he came along, you know, the pendulum started swinging 571 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,020 back. A little more traditional. Well, I 572 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,640 think he did what Steve Earle was trying to do. He was, I 573 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,660 think that Garth actually made the country music shows more of 574 00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:14,340 a rock event. Yeah, true, and crossed him over to an audience 575 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:16,980 that, yeah, didn't get into country music 576 00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:19,800 instead of a guy just standing there, wooden with the guitar. 577 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,780 Here's a song I wrote back in, you know. Well, okay, thank you. 578 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,220 Well, as much as I love Alan wrote, 579 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:28,940 as much as I love Alan Jackson, the only stage presence that 580 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:31,820 dude has is, you know, the moving the leg, yeah, 581 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,500 the sizzle and the stick, yeah, he did. Well, you know, 582 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,840 there are certain artists who can get away with that. I mean, 583 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560 George Strait, just, you know, stood there and smile, you know, 584 00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:41,860 well, 585 00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:44,920 Waylon Jennings and well, first time I saw Waylon, I couldn't 586 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,700 believe how entertained I was. And I thought this guy never 587 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,040 said anything to you, yeah, never said a word. Never said 588 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:58,480 only thing I think he said was, hello. Yes, he was he could 589 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,380 entertain you just by being up there. Well, come over here, if 590 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,360 you will, have you on early 591 00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:08,400 this man just landing. 592 00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:12,239 Yeah, we'll put you on early because you're such a good 593 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,199 friend anyway. Well, I gotta tell a story before he gets on 594 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:16,619 here. 595 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,560 Yeah, I'll let you tell 596 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,180 that Butler's building. His building was next door. Yeah. He 597 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:27,260 came in one night and Ed Hudson, the engineer, said, Hey, Gary, 598 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:30,560 you always wanted to meet Waylon. Here come. Oh boy, yeah. 599 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:38,300 He walked in the door. He went in the bath. I went upstairs to 600 00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:42,820 co write with a buddy. Waylon was in the studio, Larry Butler 601 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:47,200 studio, yeah, and when I came down three hours later, Ed said 602 00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:49,780 he's still in there. I said, What's he doing? He didn't have 603 00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:53,200 the band. He didn't have any back. He's listening to drum 604 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:59,920 beats and bass lips. And Ed Said he does that. He was all about. 605 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,080 Music. Oh, yeah, he was Waylon. It was very interesting, because 606 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,200 the only time I met him, and I really goofed it, because I, for 607 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,020 one, I didn't think he'd talk to me because I wasn't supposed to 608 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:15,780 be there. This was a, this was a meeting that my father had with 609 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,100 a gentleman that produced waylands Rec. In fact, Wayland, 610 00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,260 it was ALCAR T. He used car T studios a lot, but they were 611 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:30,620 going to build a big hotel for artists that would also have, 612 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560 you know, staging to produce television shows and all this. 613 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,980 And they really didn't think Wayland and Waylon and Johnny 614 00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:40,600 Cash were supposed to be at this meeting. So when, when I get 615 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,660 there, and I'm not even supposed to be there, my dad just said, 616 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:48,100 Do you want to come? You can just sit in there and listen to 617 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,640 everything. He said, I know you dig Waylon and Johnny Cash. So I 618 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,760 get in there, and Jesse Coulter's sitting across from 619 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,780 me, and then Jim Carter's over here. I love June Carter, 620 00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:01,800 because I thought this gal doesn't care about any, you 621 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,700 know, she doesn't care about any kind of decorum. She's got her 622 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,180 feet up on the desk. She's wearing these slippers that are 623 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:14,940 really, I don't know they're gaudy, but what was really cool 624 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:18,300 is Jesse coltra. And man, Was she beautiful. I mean, I 625 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:22,460 couldn't shake my eyes out of this woman, but she was sitting 626 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:26,840 there, and all of a sudden, and you couldn't see the door to the 627 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,820 outer office, but the door the outer office opens, and Jessie 628 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:35,900 goes, well, there's Wayland. And I said, How do you know that's 629 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:39,800 Waylon? She goes, I just know. And sure enough, in with a 630 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,200 members only jacket. Here it is, in the middle of summer, got the 631 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,560 members only jacket on the cowboy hat on. There he is, 632 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,900 Waylon Jennings, and it was very interesting to watch because I 633 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:57,160 was more impressed with Johnny Cash because Waylon was so quick 634 00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:02,280 to sign his name to anything like I'm thinking, you know, I 635 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,500 really don't know if these guys can pull it off, and they 636 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:08,880 didn't. Because I knew that my father, at the time, was not 637 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,740 financially where he could get this done himself. But Johnny 638 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:17,220 Cash was really cool, because he said, I'll have to look it over 639 00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:23,240 my financial advisor before I sign my name. But he looked at 640 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:27,740 me, and he goes, I know you from somewhere. And I thought, What 641 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:32,720 do I say? Yes, you do where I don't know. Yeah, we were 642 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,520 picking up some goods, if you know what I mean, 643 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,520 gave us sinus trouble. 644 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,080 But yeah, it would be good to see the story song come back 645 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,900 like this gentleman wrote, and we're going to get into that in 646 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:50,980 our in our next future, our next podcast, right? We're going to 647 00:37:50,980 --> 00:37:53,800 talk about all the great songs he wrote. But I would like to 648 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,640 see the stories. 649 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,120 I also got to say, you know, in the 90s Pearl Jam and Jeremy was 650 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,700 a story song. Yes, that. I think of it, yeah, because I'm, like, 651 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,040 racking my brain, what did I grow up with? And what was a, 652 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:07,140 you know, similar to that? You know, we talked about the 653 00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:09,540 Sullivan so I think we stood before we started recording, 654 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,120 right? I can't remember the band that did that song. I'll look it 655 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,220 up, but they wrote a song about similar to the concept of Saving 656 00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:20,960 Private Ryan, when the military would put three brothers just to 657 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,620 keep them together because of what happened with the Sullivan 658 00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:28,100 brothers. They all died on a naval ship. I want to say, 659 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,980 right? They stopped that practice. So because, I mean, 660 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:34,100 you know, three quarters of their kids were wiped out in one 661 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:38,240 fell swoop. And the band did a story about that, a song about 662 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:38,420 that 663 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:42,520 story. Well, what I have your gym. It was a band called 664 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,080 Carolina's spine. That's right. Caroline spine, yeah. Caroline 665 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,280 spine, yeah. 666 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,680 1995 Yep. Return. Turn your blue star to gold. Was a powerful 667 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:53,980 line, 668 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,280 I tell you. And I just think about another one that was a 669 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,440 story song with Motley Crue Dr field, good, yeah? Because when 670 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,380 you listen to that song, when it's tells a story well, and 671 00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:08,340 especially, it was covered by the Mavericks, if you listen to 672 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:11,760 their version of it, it's more of a, I don't know, kind of like 673 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,420 a big band sound to it. Then you read more the story. Yeah, you 674 00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:18,720 hear more of the story. And it's, I'm thinking, Man, that's 675 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,460 a heck of a story, actually, because with Motley Crue. So you 676 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:25,340 know, you're listening to the guitar. It's a badass song. Oh, 677 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:30,380 it was, but when you hear I, I asked you to listen to Mavericks 678 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:35,600 version of it. It is really good. It, in fact, I fell in 679 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,780 love with it more than I did the original, the crew version. 680 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:41,060 Yeah, the crew and I love Motley Crue, 681 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,620 actually, I will say Zach Brown does a good job of story songs. 682 00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:48,100 Yes, you know, he has some categories like presently, I 683 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,700 guess more label them presently conceptual, but he's got a song 684 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,300 that came on. We were doing a lighting job a couple of years 685 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,840 ago, and I was eight days away from my family. And I'm a former 686 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,860 electricians approach. On us. So I'm, you know, we're, we have a 687 00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:05,100 multitude of businesses here, so including podcasts, really, 688 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,180 yeah, so we went up there, we did a lighting job up in 689 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:13,920 Cleveland area. And I'm, you know, away from my kids, my 690 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,560 family and everything like that, I'm listening to music. Just 691 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,140 keep myself and you get into the rhythm of work, and this one 692 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:22,400 song comes on, and and it's going to be, if my, my daughter 693 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,940 gets married, it'll be the one we dance to. But my, I was a 694 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:29,120 sobbing mess. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, 695 00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:31,760 story songs can get to you, like, 696 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,700 well, empty chair by trace Adkins, if you've ever heard 697 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,880 that, it is really very well done. 698 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,100 There goes my life. Yeah, yeah. That was written by Neil 699 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,580 Thrasher and somebody else who I can't think of, but he said 700 00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:48,580 he'll tell you. He's like, Yeah, that was about my daughter, blue 701 00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:49,240 eyes and bouncing. 702 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:53,380 Wow. Steve Earle actually wrote one about his son that passed 703 00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:58,300 away, Justin towns. Earl called last words, man, I can't listen 704 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,440 to that. I listened to that one time, and that was it. I 705 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,460 couldn't do anymore. 706 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:07,080 Kelly Lovelace, he wrote the Brad Paisley hit. Didn't have to 707 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,220 be that about the dad who became a stepdad, yeah. And it's a 708 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:13,980 beautiful song. And then when I met him for the first time, I'm 709 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,220 like, you wrote that? And he goes, Yeah. And I said, you sob. 710 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:21,140 He kind of like real back. I said, You freaking got me with 711 00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:25,340 that one? I remember when I heard it, yeah, and I was, oh, 712 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:27,680 gosh, hit you right in the fields. 713 00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:30,260 That's when, you know, you got a good writer, when they can make 714 00:41:30,260 --> 00:41:31,460 you Yeah. And the 715 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:34,460 unfortunate thing is, Neil even said thing. He says, I recently 716 00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:37,580 he had said, I've written some of the best stuff in the last 717 00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:39,380 five years. It'll never get cut. 718 00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:41,860 Wow. That crazy. 719 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:46,900 So he was sob. He was the same old boy, right, right. Gary. 720 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,560 Hey, man, man, I tell you, it's great to see Gary. And I've 721 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,000 never met, but I'll tell you, I was so excited. I'm Jay Harper, 722 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,600 by the way. But Gary, I was so excited, you know. Man, I played 723 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,620 your records. Man, you know the sob, you know, same old boy, 724 00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:10,020 I've always been. Man, I've always thought 725 00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:14,340 that positions wouldn't play itself a little risk game, no. 726 00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:18,840 Man, well, I can tell you w, I N, K, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, we 727 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,620 played the fire 728 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:25,880 when well, when we when we get to our next podcast with Gary, 729 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,320 I'm gonna have to tell you all a story about a song that Gary 730 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,920 wrote that I loved by Johnny paycheck, called drinking and 731 00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:36,799 driving. Drinking and driving that woman right out of my mind. 732 00:42:36,799 --> 00:42:38,419 Well, I got, I 733 00:42:38,419 --> 00:42:42,879 had so much trouble out of that song? Yeah, I will tell you. 734 00:42:43,059 --> 00:42:45,999 We'll tell the story when we get to our next podcast, which will 735 00:42:45,999 --> 00:42:48,459 be coming up, yeah, little tease for you, little tease for you. 736 00:42:48,459 --> 00:42:53,319 But yeah, it, I mean, it was a battle, because I love the song. 737 00:42:53,319 --> 00:42:57,519 Oh yeah. But yeah, I had, I had, there was a program director. 738 00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:03,779 His wife was a big member of Matt, right, right. Oh, man, she 739 00:43:03,899 --> 00:43:08,639 gave me, oh, man, it was a battle, and I lost. Yeah, I 740 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,179 ended up losing. So we'll tell that story on the next podcast. 741 00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:14,520 I think we should encourage the listeners in the comments make 742 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,100 sure that you any songs we're missing that are Star Story 743 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,320 songs, and maybe we can revisit this topic. 744 00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:22,760 Yeah, please do. And in fact, if there's ever anything you want 745 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,140 us to talk about that you would like to to let us know about. 746 00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:32,300 Please, do you know? Please let us know. Comment to us and and 747 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,940 we'll read them. There we go. Yeah, a lot of people don't, but 748 00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:37,580 we do. We read them. We read them. It may not look like if we 749 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:38,120 know how to read. 750 00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:43,060 Yes, yeah. So soul radio guys do have a another skill or two? 751 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,100 Yeah? We do. Yeah. So skilled. 752 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,980 We are so skilled, multifaceted 753 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,580 under underratedly skilled, but skilled, we even know where to 754 00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:51,880 put our 755 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160 water, underpaid skills. Yes, right. 756 00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:57,940 We just don't really negotiate too well for ourselves. 757 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,620 Well, that's the truth, man, tell me about it. I needed an 758 00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:04,980 agent. I needed you. Back in those days, you 759 00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:06,660 know, I needed me to I just didn't know 760 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,200 it took me getting into the sales game to be like, Oh, 761 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480 that's how it works. You actually got to negotiate with 762 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,640 people and understand your value proposition. 763 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,840 Well, shall we call this to a close, my friends? Well, 764 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,440 circling the drain. We really appreciate you joining us 765 00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:25,340 circling the drain with Johnny B Jay Harper and, of course, Jim 766 00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:29,360 McCarthy. And we're going to be back next time you see us with 767 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,360 this gentleman right here. Yeah, good friend and a great 768 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,220 songwriter. Gary Gentry, 769 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,740 thank you, and look forward to it.