WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.550 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.949 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.439 If you enjoy the positive and educational content. 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:35.530 We provide, please let others know by sharing, commenting, and 00:00:35.530 --> 00:00:39.630 following so that you can join in on everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:43.340 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:47.929 Silvercore club and community, visit our website at silvercore. 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:48.370 ca. 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.610 Some people seem naturally inclined towards leadership while others 00:00:55.610 --> 00:00:57.394 find leadership thrust upon them. 00:00:57.665 --> 00:01:00.995 Whether in the boardroom, the shop floor, the sports field or the 00:01:00.995 --> 00:01:06.655 battlefield, effective leadership can easily make or break an organization. 00:01:07.485 --> 00:01:10.915 When I was a child, I was told to memorize the following leadership is 00:01:10.915 --> 00:01:12.814 the art of influencing human behavior. 00:01:12.815 --> 00:01:14.895 So it's accomplished a mission in the manner. 00:01:14.895 --> 00:01:17.695 So desired by the leader, it's an art. 00:01:18.085 --> 00:01:22.255 Well, some people can find that they have a natural penchant towards art and 00:01:22.255 --> 00:01:24.354 it might seem to come to them naturally. 00:01:24.665 --> 00:01:26.215 A lot can also be learned. 00:01:26.875 --> 00:01:31.205 In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi, leaders aren't born, they 00:01:31.205 --> 00:01:34.795 are made, and they're made just like anything else through hard work. 00:01:35.255 --> 00:01:38.634 I'm joined today by a man who has dedicated himself to providing 00:01:38.884 --> 00:01:42.074 thousands of others with the tools to be effective leaders. 00:01:42.475 --> 00:01:45.085 Welcome to the Silvercore podcast, Angus Hilsley. 00:01:45.835 --> 00:01:47.235 Angus Hilsley: Hi, thanks for having me on. 00:01:47.735 --> 00:01:48.585 Travis Bader: It's good to have you. 00:01:48.585 --> 00:01:50.515 It's about time that we finally got you on here. 00:01:50.655 --> 00:01:50.845 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:01:50.845 --> 00:01:51.505 It's been a while. 00:01:51.515 --> 00:01:52.795 We got there eventually. 00:01:53.815 --> 00:01:55.685 Travis Bader: You know, one of the outtakes that I had. 00:01:56.005 --> 00:01:59.214 So we both know Jamie, Jamie Flynn, he's been on the 00:01:59.215 --> 00:02:00.814 Silvercore podcast in the past. 00:02:00.814 --> 00:02:05.195 And in my introduction and for me, whatever reason it is, the introduction 00:02:05.195 --> 00:02:06.375 is always the hardest part for me. 00:02:06.405 --> 00:02:09.425 Just getting that, that first part out and getting the conversation rolling. 00:02:09.425 --> 00:02:15.015 And, And I'm saying he's a former speaking to his military career. 00:02:15.425 --> 00:02:17.015 And I accidentally say he's a farmer. 00:02:19.115 --> 00:02:22.864 Ended up making that into a bit of a, an outtake, but you actually did have 00:02:22.865 --> 00:02:24.555 a bit of a stint where you're a farmer. 00:02:24.724 --> 00:02:24.814 Just 00:02:24.814 --> 00:02:26.475 Angus Hilsley: a little bit short and sweet. 00:02:28.195 --> 00:02:31.085 Travis Bader: Well, I'd love to hear a bit about your background, what 00:02:31.085 --> 00:02:35.005 kind of, what gives you street cred as a person who could provide advice 00:02:35.005 --> 00:02:39.150 on leadership and, uh, kind of start getting into the, uh, And that's some 00:02:39.150 --> 00:02:41.000 bolts of what makes a good leader. 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:45.500 Angus Hilsley: Okay, yeah, so I'll, um, I'll go back to when I was 15. 00:02:45.640 --> 00:02:47.080 That's when I left school. 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.550 And that's when I went into the Army Foundation College in Harrogate, 00:02:51.640 --> 00:02:52.929 back in the United Kingdom. 00:02:53.709 --> 00:02:58.589 Um, and that's, uh, it's a year long course for people transitioning out of 00:02:58.629 --> 00:03:02.680 school, looking to join the military, but they've kind of got that age buffer 00:03:02.690 --> 00:03:06.679 where they need to kind of fill it in and they use this time to kind of fill it in 00:03:06.679 --> 00:03:10.559 wisely by taking you through education and military training kind of thing. 00:03:10.559 --> 00:03:17.130 So I joined Harrogate when I was just turned 16 and I was there for a year 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:21.250 and you go through pretty much the exact same as any normal army training, 00:03:22.019 --> 00:03:25.580 but they also incorporate a lot of education into it as well just to try 00:03:25.580 --> 00:03:28.150 and kind of follow on from from school. 00:03:28.150 --> 00:03:29.700 So I done that for a year. 00:03:30.625 --> 00:03:31.745 which I absolutely loved. 00:03:31.745 --> 00:03:33.975 I quickly realized that the military was for me. 00:03:34.135 --> 00:03:34.585 Mm hmm. 00:03:34.605 --> 00:03:39.545 Um, I mean, me personally, I always knew that I wanted to be in the army. 00:03:39.625 --> 00:03:39.865 Yeah. 00:03:39.934 --> 00:03:44.155 As a little boy, I was always running about in the woods with camos on 00:03:44.155 --> 00:03:45.485 and pretending to be a soldier. 00:03:45.485 --> 00:03:45.840 Yeah. 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:46.194 Travis Bader: And 00:03:46.195 --> 00:03:48.485 Angus Hilsley: reading lots of military books and stuff like that. 00:03:48.485 --> 00:03:51.375 And I just, I quickly realized that that was the life I wanted to pursue, so. 00:03:51.945 --> 00:03:55.180 And then once I got into this uh, Training Foundation College. 00:03:55.180 --> 00:03:57.640 I quickly realized that it was definitely the right choice 00:03:57.670 --> 00:03:59.780 and I had made the right call. 00:03:59.780 --> 00:04:01.920 So We progressed through that. 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:04.450 I ended up doing very well through that. 00:04:04.815 --> 00:04:08.855 That year long process ended up graduating as the top recruit out 00:04:08.855 --> 00:04:11.835 of the whole process So I think it was just over a thousand recruits. 00:04:12.095 --> 00:04:16.894 I managed to get the top top guy out of that Which is they have a junior rank 00:04:16.894 --> 00:04:20.484 structure So I got the junior regimental sergeant major, which was quite a 00:04:20.484 --> 00:04:22.575 big achievement for my first ever. 00:04:23.064 --> 00:04:24.025 Travis Bader: That was what 16? 00:04:24.065 --> 00:04:24.395 That was 00:04:24.585 --> 00:04:25.945 Angus Hilsley: the 16, 16 years old. 00:04:25.965 --> 00:04:27.075 So that was my first ever kind of 00:04:29.185 --> 00:04:33.075 Entry into leadership and that it was something that came maybe a 00:04:33.075 --> 00:04:34.974 little bit more naturally to me. 00:04:35.185 --> 00:04:41.125 Um, because I quickly realized that within my platoon, boys would look to me for, 00:04:41.145 --> 00:04:45.164 for help or guidance or boys would listen to what I was saying and they would, they 00:04:45.164 --> 00:04:48.414 would naturally start coming to me for things that they were struggling with. 00:04:48.414 --> 00:04:52.560 So then I started putting things together and As I progressed through there, 00:04:52.609 --> 00:04:57.120 yeah, it done very well and I managed to graduate top of my class, which was huge. 00:04:58.180 --> 00:05:01.210 And then from there we move on to our phase two training, which is just 00:05:01.969 --> 00:05:04.509 focusing completely around infanteering. 00:05:04.870 --> 00:05:08.859 Um, and that's another four months of training, pretty much the same as 00:05:08.859 --> 00:05:11.859 what we're doing, but a lot more in depth and a lot more kind of rigorous 00:05:11.870 --> 00:05:17.650 training, a lot more fitness, a lot more field craft stuff, um, and a 00:05:17.690 --> 00:05:19.169 lot more kind of firearms training. 00:05:19.169 --> 00:05:21.179 So do that for four months. 00:05:22.070 --> 00:05:23.479 Progress to the same. 00:05:23.900 --> 00:05:27.080 We moved through with the same platoon as what we did in the foundation college. 00:05:27.080 --> 00:05:31.489 So it was, it was very easy for me because we had a platoon of boys that we all knew. 00:05:31.510 --> 00:05:33.149 We'd already been together for a year. 00:05:33.149 --> 00:05:34.089 So it helps. 00:05:34.140 --> 00:05:34.440 Yeah. 00:05:34.489 --> 00:05:35.640 Oh, it was, it was amazing. 00:05:35.640 --> 00:05:40.440 So we already had an amazing bond as a platoon when we moved on to ITC Catrick. 00:05:40.440 --> 00:05:43.280 And yeah, we just kind of got into it and everybody was great. 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:45.469 Like we all knew how to work with each other by then. 00:05:45.700 --> 00:05:47.289 It takes a long time to figure people out. 00:05:47.585 --> 00:05:51.784 And by then we'd already realized how each other work and what each other strengths 00:05:51.784 --> 00:05:53.284 and weaknesses are and stuff like that. 00:05:53.284 --> 00:05:53.565 So, 00:05:53.655 --> 00:05:55.475 Travis Bader: so that'd be infantry training center, 00:05:55.475 --> 00:05:56.394 Angus Hilsley: Catrick, ITC. 00:05:56.394 --> 00:05:58.564 That was ITC, So. 00:05:58.805 --> 00:06:03.345 Um, yeah, went through there, smashed through our, kind of, um, this side of 00:06:03.345 --> 00:06:05.535 training and same again, progressed. 00:06:05.625 --> 00:06:09.825 I managed to come out at the end with the Soldier's Medal, which was, the 00:06:09.825 --> 00:06:13.275 Soldier's Medal is something that's not given to you by your instructors, 00:06:13.275 --> 00:06:14.545 it's given to you by your platoon. 00:06:15.065 --> 00:06:20.495 So the platoon do a vote, and it's, um, on who looks out for everybody 00:06:20.495 --> 00:06:22.944 the most, who helps people the most, who do, who's the best. 00:06:23.755 --> 00:06:28.705 people look to, to, to get guidance from and they all voted for myself, um, 00:06:28.715 --> 00:06:32.005 which was, which was really nice and a kind of humbling experience for me. 00:06:32.034 --> 00:06:37.474 So I got the soldier's medal and then also I got, um, top recruiting fitness 00:06:37.474 --> 00:06:38.825 as well, which was the first recruit. 00:06:38.825 --> 00:06:42.925 So I got two, two awards graduating out of ITC Cartrick, which was great. 00:06:42.925 --> 00:06:44.755 So I got off to a good start. 00:06:44.935 --> 00:06:45.735 Um, no kidding. 00:06:45.745 --> 00:06:46.185 Yeah. 00:06:46.215 --> 00:06:52.245 And my, in my military career and Graduating from ITC Catrick, I realised 00:06:52.275 --> 00:06:56.405 that this was definitely the career that I wanted to pursue and I wanted to go as 00:06:56.405 --> 00:06:59.614 far as I possibly could in the military and get to the kind of highest echelons 00:06:59.615 --> 00:07:01.949 I could and that was always my goal. 00:07:02.750 --> 00:07:06.950 And that was always my aim, to go for selection for the SAS, because when 00:07:06.950 --> 00:07:10.990 I was younger, the first book that my dad ever gave me was a book by Robin 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.839 Horsfall, um, an old SAS, um, serving member, and I read it, and as soon as 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.115 I read it, I was like, That's the job. 00:07:18.315 --> 00:07:18.985 Which book was it? 00:07:19.005 --> 00:07:19.765 Do you remember the title? 00:07:19.855 --> 00:07:21.005 I can't remember what it was. 00:07:21.005 --> 00:07:22.855 It was pretty much his autobiography. 00:07:22.855 --> 00:07:27.015 It was his whole progression through his time in the Parachute Regiment, 00:07:27.275 --> 00:07:30.635 then on to Selection because I think he went through Selection two or three 00:07:30.665 --> 00:07:33.665 times and then his career after that. 00:07:33.684 --> 00:07:37.937 But it was the first ever book I read and I was like, okay, this is the job. 00:07:37.937 --> 00:07:39.515 This is what I want to do. 00:07:40.035 --> 00:07:47.405 So, um, so yeah, moving out of, uh, So I joined the 1st Battalion Scots Guards, 00:07:47.405 --> 00:07:52.984 which is the ceremonial and household division, um, for the British Army. 00:07:52.984 --> 00:07:58.545 So we're, we're first of all frontline soldiers, infantiers, but Our second 00:07:58.885 --> 00:08:04.145 kind of secondary role is being posted outside Buckingham Palace or, um, St. 00:08:04.145 --> 00:08:06.935 James's Palace, Tower of London, doing the Queen's Birthday Parade, 00:08:06.935 --> 00:08:10.805 so those funny guys with the furry hats and the red tunics, that's, 00:08:10.805 --> 00:08:14.854 that's what I did for a year, which was, honestly, it was a great time. 00:08:15.175 --> 00:08:17.144 experience and I really did enjoy it. 00:08:17.145 --> 00:08:20.865 It wasn't for me, but I made the most of what it was and I was a 00:08:20.865 --> 00:08:24.365 young guy just enjoying myself in London and good for you. 00:08:24.365 --> 00:08:25.484 Yeah, it was nice. 00:08:25.484 --> 00:08:27.924 It was good, but luckily I wasn't there too long. 00:08:27.924 --> 00:08:31.935 I managed to get, I managed to get out of there after like six or seven months. 00:08:31.935 --> 00:08:33.584 So it wasn't, it was pretty good. 00:08:34.525 --> 00:08:37.814 And from there I progressed onto my battalion, which was based up in Cartrick. 00:08:37.824 --> 00:08:44.100 So moved up to Cartrick and then I was in battalion just doing basic kind of normal 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:47.650 routine training for the first six months. 00:08:48.160 --> 00:08:52.290 And then that's when they asked me to go on to my first leadership course. 00:08:52.299 --> 00:08:56.889 So my junior NCO carder it's called, which is your promotion to Lance Corporal. 00:08:57.550 --> 00:09:03.564 And normally it's, it's something that's, Asked of somebody after serving 00:09:03.564 --> 00:09:05.555 maybe three or four years in the army. 00:09:05.725 --> 00:09:07.095 And this, this was six months. 00:09:07.105 --> 00:09:09.195 Travis Bader: So somebody in their twenties years and you're 00:09:09.195 --> 00:09:10.285 like how old at this point? 00:09:10.314 --> 00:09:12.794 Angus Hilsley: Um, I was only 18 at this point, I think. 00:09:12.835 --> 00:09:13.165 Yeah. 00:09:13.205 --> 00:09:15.575 17 when I trained, yeah, I was 18 years old. 00:09:15.715 --> 00:09:16.255 Travis Bader: Wow. 00:09:16.325 --> 00:09:19.414 Angus Hilsley: So 18 years old when I first got put on that course and 00:09:19.415 --> 00:09:21.454 it was, it was, yeah, it was crazy. 00:09:21.454 --> 00:09:24.325 And I was like, I was definitely. 00:09:24.630 --> 00:09:25.970 Not confident enough. 00:09:26.420 --> 00:09:30.020 Like I knew that I'd done very well, but to get put on my promotion course 00:09:30.020 --> 00:09:32.040 at that age I was pretty unsure. 00:09:32.100 --> 00:09:34.080 I was like, I don't know if I can do this kind of thing. 00:09:34.130 --> 00:09:34.670 Travis Bader: No kidding. 00:09:34.800 --> 00:09:37.050 And you're probably in there with a bunch of people who are maybe a 00:09:37.050 --> 00:09:38.430 bit more seasoned in there along? 00:09:38.470 --> 00:09:41.830 Angus Hilsley: I'm in there with guys that have been in for like eight, ten years. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.590 Some, some of them, like, they're just, they hadn't focused their 00:09:45.590 --> 00:09:48.025 career around, kind of, um, Promotion. 00:09:48.025 --> 00:09:50.875 It was more around other things and it started moving on. 00:09:50.875 --> 00:09:55.135 So I was working with some guys that were Seriously, seriously, like 00:09:55.225 --> 00:10:01.040 seasons within the military and we do a specific um Leadership course, so we are 00:10:01.040 --> 00:10:02.600 different from the rest of the infantry. 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.910 So the Guards Division and the Parachute Regiment do ours together. 00:10:06.010 --> 00:10:06.450 Mm hmm. 00:10:06.610 --> 00:10:10.390 So it's called HTPRCC, which is Household Division Parachute 00:10:10.410 --> 00:10:11.970 Regiment Centralized Courses. 00:10:12.090 --> 00:10:12.340 Okay. 00:10:12.380 --> 00:10:17.810 So everything that we do in terms of promotion courses, sniper courses, 00:10:17.829 --> 00:10:20.670 anything like that, The parachute regiment, a household division, do 00:10:20.670 --> 00:10:23.730 them together and we do them completely separate away from everybody else. 00:10:23.760 --> 00:10:26.910 We use their own instructors and we use their own kind of like curriculum. 00:10:26.910 --> 00:10:28.380 It's, it's completely different. 00:10:28.610 --> 00:10:31.739 Travis Bader: Were you kind of, I don't know, uh, given a hard time or looked 00:10:31.750 --> 00:10:33.290 down on being the young guy in there? 00:10:34.890 --> 00:10:35.190 No 00:10:35.190 --> 00:10:38.180 Angus Hilsley: end, like every day, nonstop. 00:10:38.180 --> 00:10:38.510 Yeah. 00:10:38.740 --> 00:10:39.890 Like, I don't know. 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:44.060 I just took it like for what it was like, I understand that. 00:10:44.855 --> 00:10:47.395 There was definitely a lot of guys that were probably quite bitter 00:10:47.395 --> 00:10:49.885 towards it and they were like, what's this guy doing on here? 00:10:49.885 --> 00:10:51.045 Like he's not done anything. 00:10:51.045 --> 00:10:52.225 He doesn't deserve to be here. 00:10:52.815 --> 00:10:53.315 I got it. 00:10:53.355 --> 00:10:54.384 Like I understood. 00:10:54.384 --> 00:10:57.655 And then that's why I kind of voiced my opinions to my platoon sergeant 00:10:57.655 --> 00:10:59.594 when I first got to battalion. 00:10:59.594 --> 00:11:02.594 I was like, surely there's boys that are more qualified and 00:11:02.595 --> 00:11:04.745 like, and they deserve it more. 00:11:04.745 --> 00:11:07.685 And they're like, yeah, they do probably, but we think you've got great potential 00:11:07.695 --> 00:11:08.695 and we want to take a risk on you. 00:11:08.695 --> 00:11:11.064 And we want to, we want to put you on and see how you do. 00:11:11.185 --> 00:11:11.354 It's a 00:11:11.355 --> 00:11:11.894 Travis Bader: bit of pressure. 00:11:11.895 --> 00:11:12.115 Hey, 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:13.440 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, huge. 00:11:15.850 --> 00:11:18.260 Yeah, so it was, it was a lot to take in. 00:11:19.750 --> 00:11:24.660 But yeah, we done, um, so before our promotion courses, we do pre courses. 00:11:24.950 --> 00:11:27.400 So I've done a two week pre course in Battalion. 00:11:28.179 --> 00:11:30.670 And, um, There was quite a lot of us on it actually. 00:11:30.670 --> 00:11:32.770 It was kind of like a selection process. 00:11:32.770 --> 00:11:36.410 So I think there was about 20 or 30 guys and you kind of just go through all 00:11:36.410 --> 00:11:42.069 the basic stuff, fitness, um, firearms, um, medical, all the stuff that you 00:11:42.190 --> 00:11:43.620 are going to get assessed on and use. 00:11:44.090 --> 00:11:46.179 And then they just put it all together and they kind of like give 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:47.189 you an overall grade at the end. 00:11:47.189 --> 00:11:49.480 And I think there was 10 of us that went down and then, so. 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:50.590 Wow. 00:11:50.810 --> 00:11:55.710 So went down onto my, um, junior NCO carder, got on it. 00:11:55.810 --> 00:11:56.769 There was a big course. 00:11:56.770 --> 00:12:01.585 We had, I think a hundred and 20 people, 130 people on this course, 00:12:01.605 --> 00:12:03.175 which is a lot for just parachute. 00:12:03.265 --> 00:12:06.945 Um, yeah, that's like a, a huge course. 00:12:06.945 --> 00:12:08.684 Normally they're about 60. 00:12:08.685 --> 00:12:13.335 So, so yeah, already we had a lot of competition, but that's good. 00:12:13.335 --> 00:12:13.695 Yeah. 00:12:14.444 --> 00:12:15.234 Yeah, for sure. 00:12:15.255 --> 00:12:16.815 And yeah, everything went well. 00:12:16.815 --> 00:12:20.170 And then we got into the course and Yeah, I immediately started 00:12:20.170 --> 00:12:24.750 realizing that age definitely doesn't matter when it comes to leadership. 00:12:25.190 --> 00:12:30.290 It's experience definitely helps, but I think some people either take to it 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:35.019 a lot quicker than others do, and then others need to kind of build on it ever 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:39.060 so much, but it was something that did come slightly easier to me, I feel. 00:12:41.810 --> 00:12:45.100 And I think that that definitely stood me in good stead for this course. 00:12:45.500 --> 00:12:48.390 There was a lot of things that I needed to learn because I was so new. 00:12:48.950 --> 00:12:54.040 I had boys that had done two, three tours of Afghanistan and Iraq on this course 00:12:54.040 --> 00:13:01.699 and they, they obviously knew so much more about combat, leadership, basic skills 00:13:01.699 --> 00:13:04.170 and drills, like all these little things. 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:06.880 I was just soaking it all in. 00:13:07.189 --> 00:13:10.420 Like, I like, I just, I never put my ego out there. 00:13:10.420 --> 00:13:14.030 I just stay quiet, listen to all these guys and just 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.270 everything that they were saying. 00:13:15.270 --> 00:13:19.250 I was just taking as much in as I could and it was one of the biggest educational 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:20.610 experiences that I've ever had. 00:13:20.860 --> 00:13:24.160 Travis Bader: Why do you feel that the leadership portion of this seemed 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:27.559 to come a bit more naturally to you? 00:13:27.560 --> 00:13:28.919 Angus Hilsley: I'm not too sure to be honest. 00:13:28.920 --> 00:13:34.010 Like if I go right the way back to school, um, even in school 00:13:34.010 --> 00:13:36.259 it was, it was much the same. 00:13:36.290 --> 00:13:37.870 Like we used to have. 00:13:39.189 --> 00:13:43.860 Like different kind of teams in school for sports events and stuff like that, 00:13:43.870 --> 00:13:49.330 like I was always made the head of the sports teams and these kind of different 00:13:49.330 --> 00:13:52.709 things we've done in school, like Burns Night for you and me first night. 00:13:52.710 --> 00:13:53.509 Yes, yeah. 00:13:53.550 --> 00:13:56.209 Yeah, so we used to have Burns Night every year at school. 00:13:56.210 --> 00:14:01.240 I was always the chairman for the Burns Suppers, like they're just something 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.830 just always was quite natural to. 00:14:04.385 --> 00:14:11.145 Yeah, can it take control or maybe not even take control, just having a demeanor 00:14:11.145 --> 00:14:16.545 that people find at ease to come up to me and be like, okay, I'm, I'm stuck. 00:14:16.545 --> 00:14:17.415 I need some help with this. 00:14:17.415 --> 00:14:19.395 Or like, he's a fair guy. 00:14:19.425 --> 00:14:19.935 Do you know what I mean? 00:14:19.935 --> 00:14:23.715 I think it was my demeanor that was the main thing that 00:14:23.745 --> 00:14:25.395 allowed people to have a kinda. 00:14:27.190 --> 00:14:29.440 I dunno, an approachable connection to it. 00:14:29.520 --> 00:14:30.400 Travis Bader: Maybe it's a confidence. 00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:32.040 Have you always been fairly fit? 00:14:32.140 --> 00:14:34.324 Like you're, you're always being serious, seriously 00:14:34.324 --> 00:14:34.655 Angus Hilsley: fat. 00:14:34.655 --> 00:14:34.987 Yeah. 00:14:34.987 --> 00:14:39.890 Like as a young boy, I was always playing rugby, football, like doing 00:14:40.150 --> 00:14:44.750 track and school and like fitness was a huge part of my life as a, as a kid. 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:50.010 Like, and I think that a lot of it came from when I was reading those 00:14:50.030 --> 00:14:53.339 books about the military, when I was reading those books about boys that were 00:14:53.339 --> 00:14:57.880 on SAS selection and they were like, Talking about the hells and it's just 00:14:57.880 --> 00:15:02.130 like, right, you need to be a different level of fat and it's all fine and well 00:15:02.140 --> 00:15:06.090 being a footballer, but you need to be like a robust, robust individual. 00:15:06.130 --> 00:15:08.829 Travis Bader: Well, that's, that's physically fit both heart and lungs, 00:15:08.829 --> 00:15:10.459 but that's mentally fit as well. 00:15:10.489 --> 00:15:10.819 Angus Hilsley: Mental. 00:15:10.949 --> 00:15:11.249 Yeah. 00:15:11.289 --> 00:15:12.649 That's another huge part. 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.240 And I think that kind of started. 00:15:16.484 --> 00:15:18.504 Making things in my head turn. 00:15:18.504 --> 00:15:18.775 Okay. 00:15:18.775 --> 00:15:20.244 I need to start preparing myself. 00:15:20.634 --> 00:15:24.404 And that's when I just, I always pushed myself as hard as I could 00:15:24.405 --> 00:15:25.704 go when it came to fitness. 00:15:26.144 --> 00:15:30.934 Playing rugby is a pretty arduous sport and that was always good fun. 00:15:31.074 --> 00:15:33.794 Um, but it was always tough going, but yeah. 00:15:33.874 --> 00:15:38.744 So I think in my life, I think it was probably just me as a person, 00:15:38.754 --> 00:15:43.405 like in terms of, How people could relate to me that made me maybe 00:15:43.415 --> 00:15:45.104 slightly better at leading people. 00:15:45.384 --> 00:15:47.334 Travis Bader: Did you have strong leadership role models 00:15:47.514 --> 00:15:48.814 as a youngster in your life? 00:15:49.535 --> 00:15:50.025 Um, 00:15:50.964 --> 00:15:55.554 Angus Hilsley: growing up, I would say that I definitely had 00:15:55.555 --> 00:15:57.055 a good role model as a father. 00:15:57.064 --> 00:16:03.375 He was very old school, strict, old fashioned, but how things should be done. 00:16:03.814 --> 00:16:06.915 And he was a superintendent and. 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:13.360 the oil rigs and he'd done that for 35 years and he was always in charge 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.730 of a lot a lot of people and he always used to come home and like me and 00:16:17.730 --> 00:16:22.660 my dad are The only thing me and my, my, my dad do is either hunt or fish. 00:16:22.660 --> 00:16:23.140 That's it. 00:16:23.199 --> 00:16:23.260 Yeah. 00:16:23.260 --> 00:16:24.520 We don't do anything else. 00:16:25.175 --> 00:16:29.739 no other, no other kinda things that we, we both enjoy is either hunt or fishing 00:16:29.745 --> 00:16:30.670 and we always used to, that's okay. 00:16:30.849 --> 00:16:33.790 When he came back, he always used to take me and we would go down to 00:16:33.790 --> 00:16:37.270 the, the local L and we would get on a boat and go fishing and he 00:16:37.270 --> 00:16:38.530 would sit and tell me about all. 00:16:39.265 --> 00:16:42.564 experiences that he'd had when he was away working, having to deal with 00:16:43.194 --> 00:16:46.485 people from different backgrounds, different nationalities, different, 00:16:46.834 --> 00:16:53.010 um, seniority levels and At that time in my life, I probably didn't pay 00:16:53.060 --> 00:16:56.950 too much attention to the leadership side of things, but subconsciously, I 00:16:56.950 --> 00:16:58.560 think it probably started to soak in. 00:16:58.750 --> 00:16:59.170 Gotcha. 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:01.570 And he was, he was a very good leader. 00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:04.410 He promoted up very fast throughout the oil industry and 00:17:04.410 --> 00:17:06.129 like, he, he got out of the top. 00:17:06.129 --> 00:17:08.379 So, like, he done really good. 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.470 I think a lot of that probably came from my father. 00:17:10.589 --> 00:17:11.020 Travis Bader: Mmm. 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:16.880 Well, it's, it's good to be able to have that, uh, you know, not, not nepotistic, 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.989 but, but that sort of bloodline of it, where you just, if you're raised in a 00:17:19.990 --> 00:17:23.679 certain way and your outlook on life is a certain way, you're naturally 00:17:23.679 --> 00:17:25.420 inclined to, to move in that path. 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:31.379 And it sounds like you've just embraced that path and used what you had 00:17:31.649 --> 00:17:33.089 and then take it with the military. 00:17:33.089 --> 00:17:35.970 And then you've tempered that for, for something yourself. 00:17:36.030 --> 00:17:36.370 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:17:36.410 --> 00:17:39.420 It was, um, it's something that I still thank my dad for every day. 00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:40.000 That's cool. 00:17:40.040 --> 00:17:40.430 Just how. 00:17:41.500 --> 00:17:43.730 Just how he rubbed off on me as a father. 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:45.970 And when you're growing up, you don't always think that I've got 00:17:45.970 --> 00:17:47.580 your best interests at heart. 00:17:48.670 --> 00:17:52.080 But he was always telling me all for things, but looking back in it as 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:55.450 an, uh, an adult and a fully grown man and having been through my own 00:17:55.450 --> 00:17:58.999 personal experiences of, of having to deal with people and leadership. 00:17:59.340 --> 00:18:02.669 Yeah, it's, uh, I can't thank him enough for it. 00:18:02.859 --> 00:18:03.649 Travis Bader: That's pretty cool. 00:18:03.709 --> 00:18:08.869 So you, you spent some time as a, um, uh, platoon commander as well. 00:18:08.869 --> 00:18:09.209 Didn't you? 00:18:09.495 --> 00:18:10.725 Angus Hilsley: Was it platoon or section commander? 00:18:10.735 --> 00:18:11.595 Section commander. 00:18:11.595 --> 00:18:16.225 So once I finished that first promotion course at Junior NCO 00:18:16.255 --> 00:18:17.795 Carter, that was to Lance Corporal. 00:18:17.845 --> 00:18:18.045 Yeah. 00:18:18.414 --> 00:18:21.914 And I finished that course with a distinction, top, top award you can 00:18:21.914 --> 00:18:26.729 get in that course, which was, which was That's when I started to solidify 00:18:26.749 --> 00:18:30.850 my kind of confidence in myself, and that's when I was like, okay, right Maybe 00:18:30.989 --> 00:18:35.919 maybe I do have the capabilities now to do what I think I can do Still hadn't 00:18:35.919 --> 00:18:39.669 been on tour at this point though, and at this time, this is in the height of 00:18:39.669 --> 00:18:43.530 Afghanistan So everybody had been on tour and that was a big thing was okay. 00:18:43.669 --> 00:18:48.240 It might it might be a good Lance Corporal, but he's not been on tour. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.325 He's never been under Like, the stress of, of contact, so I was 00:18:52.365 --> 00:18:53.615 like, okay, right, fair enough. 00:18:54.315 --> 00:19:02.285 Went back to my battalion, um, and then, I think it was only six or seven months. 00:19:02.464 --> 00:19:03.874 I was 19 years old, anyway. 00:19:03.975 --> 00:19:04.915 It wasn't long after. 00:19:05.304 --> 00:19:05.924 Nowhere near. 00:19:06.114 --> 00:19:10.205 And it just happened by sheer chance that one of the guys that was 00:19:10.215 --> 00:19:14.430 supposed to be on it was, He wasn't confident in his fitness abilities. 00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:17.700 He was like, listen, I want, I need another six months to get ready for this. 00:19:17.700 --> 00:19:18.290 I'm not ready. 00:19:18.820 --> 00:19:19.840 He's like, do you want it? 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:22.485 And I was like, I don't think I'm ready for it either. 00:19:22.485 --> 00:19:26.665 I mean, I've only just promoted to lance corporal and, uh, my company commander at 00:19:26.665 --> 00:19:29.024 the time, he was like, nah, you're on it. 00:19:29.504 --> 00:19:29.945 Go for it. 00:19:29.945 --> 00:19:30.835 Get your bags packed. 00:19:31.254 --> 00:19:35.345 So I was like, okay, and this was for the next promotion to section commander. 00:19:36.475 --> 00:19:37.984 So I was like, right, okay, fine. 00:19:38.034 --> 00:19:38.825 Pack my bags again. 00:19:39.974 --> 00:19:44.534 Headed down to Brecon and jumped on, on junior Brecon. 00:19:44.655 --> 00:19:46.024 That's a four month long course. 00:19:46.024 --> 00:19:46.054 It's. 00:19:47.024 --> 00:19:50.544 very arduous first two months is all about firearms instructing. 00:19:50.965 --> 00:19:54.985 So you learn, I think it's about 15 different weapon systems that 00:19:54.985 --> 00:19:56.145 you'll use within the military. 00:19:56.604 --> 00:19:58.935 Um, and you learn how to teach that to recruits. 00:19:59.405 --> 00:20:03.294 Um, so that's your first two months that you then go through all your range safety, 00:20:03.364 --> 00:20:05.304 how to be a range conducting officer. 00:20:05.794 --> 00:20:11.705 Um, and after that you progress on to your two months in the field, 00:20:11.715 --> 00:20:13.155 which is all field craft stuff. 00:20:13.155 --> 00:20:13.465 So, 00:20:15.505 --> 00:20:19.905 doing section attacks, all the kind of basic skills and drills of an infantryman, 00:20:20.865 --> 00:20:25.525 and it's going through the leadership side of those environments, so that's 00:20:25.555 --> 00:20:29.344 taking you as a section commander with your second in command, which 00:20:29.345 --> 00:20:33.634 would be a lance corporal, and putting you under stress of fire, and under 00:20:33.634 --> 00:20:38.795 stress of time constraints, and all these different sorts of experiences, 00:20:39.145 --> 00:20:41.335 and that's where they kind of put you to the test to see if you've got 00:20:45.504 --> 00:20:48.155 Travis Bader: And four months later, they looked at it and they said, what? 00:20:48.475 --> 00:20:50.645 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, four months later, progressed through it, 00:20:50.885 --> 00:20:53.395 got a fine, got an instructor's recommendation at the end of it. 00:20:53.405 --> 00:20:57.585 So an instructor's recommendation means that they, that you've done that 00:20:57.585 --> 00:21:02.145 well, that they want you to come back as an instructor to the Brecon School 00:21:02.184 --> 00:21:04.605 of Infantry, which is a big thing. 00:21:04.774 --> 00:21:05.284 No kidding. 00:21:05.355 --> 00:21:06.514 Yeah, so that was awesome. 00:21:06.534 --> 00:21:08.645 So very happy with that. 00:21:08.655 --> 00:21:10.135 You don't promote straight away. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:13.700 So once you pass your course, you need to wait a couple of months 00:21:13.700 --> 00:21:14.650 till you can set the board. 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:18.490 So I finished my course and then from there I deployed straight on to Headache 00:21:18.490 --> 00:21:25.140 17 in Afghanistan, which was great because this was now giving me the, the kind of 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.380 backing that I needed to everybody else. 00:21:29.399 --> 00:21:33.159 Cause everybody else, that was their one gripe was, okay, yeah, fine. 00:21:33.159 --> 00:21:36.430 It might be passing these courses, but can I actually do this when 00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:40.510 it comes down to like the actual What we need to do for a job. 00:21:40.510 --> 00:21:43.180 Like when it comes down to contact and we're like, okay. 00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:44.800 So I was very excited to get out there. 00:21:44.860 --> 00:21:47.050 I really wanted to go out and prove myself. 00:21:47.380 --> 00:21:48.730 And we had a great team of boys. 00:21:48.850 --> 00:21:50.140 Went out, had a great tour. 00:21:50.380 --> 00:21:53.650 Tour was, it's what it is. 00:21:53.650 --> 00:21:56.680 But as a whole we, we worked really well together. 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.830 Um, I had to step up and be a section commander even though I wasn't 00:21:59.830 --> 00:22:01.150 promoted to a section commander. 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.330 I stepped up to a section commander, um, and I led. 00:22:04.930 --> 00:22:09.820 Multiple patrols as a section commander going through the thick of it, sometimes 00:22:09.820 --> 00:22:11.350 I had to step up to a platoon commander. 00:22:11.350 --> 00:22:13.660 You'll have, um, sorry, a platoon sergeant. 00:22:13.660 --> 00:22:14.770 You'll have one platoon sergeant. 00:22:14.775 --> 00:22:16.480 So when he was away, other tasks? 00:22:16.510 --> 00:22:16.600 Mm-Hmm. 00:22:16.840 --> 00:22:18.130 to step up as a platoon sergeant. 00:22:18.430 --> 00:22:22.890 So that was 20 years old and I was stepping up to be, uh, an acting 00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:24.630 platoon sergeant on operations. 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:25.650 How was that received? 00:22:26.970 --> 00:22:27.270 Hmm. 00:22:28.665 --> 00:22:34.765 So the boys of my peer level, it was received very well because I had the boys. 00:22:35.740 --> 00:22:40.100 My kind of age group and that I used to like socialize with, 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:43.910 they were all like, yeah, Angus is the man for the job for sure. 00:22:43.950 --> 00:22:44.730 Like he's brilliant. 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.899 But the, we did have a couple of older Lance corporals and stuff that 00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:52.599 had been in for like 15 years and yet they weren't happy about it. 00:22:52.990 --> 00:22:55.429 Travis Bader: Cause that's going to be a common thread amongst anybody 00:22:55.429 --> 00:23:00.255 who's finding themselves thrust or Into a leadership position or growing 00:23:00.255 --> 00:23:03.245 into a leadership position, they're always going to have those who look 00:23:03.245 --> 00:23:06.635 at them and say, who is this person to tell me what to do or to lead me. 00:23:06.735 --> 00:23:07.915 And to be honest, 00:23:07.934 --> 00:23:13.535 Angus Hilsley: that's one of the great things about being a leader is 00:23:13.535 --> 00:23:18.385 if you have the ability to be able to communicate with people that feel like 00:23:18.385 --> 00:23:21.815 that and still get them to do what you want them to do, then you know that. 00:23:22.254 --> 00:23:23.375 you're doing something right. 00:23:23.945 --> 00:23:28.995 So I definitely had a few of those types of people or a couple 00:23:28.995 --> 00:23:33.335 of those types of guys in my platoon, but it didn't bother me. 00:23:33.355 --> 00:23:36.855 Like, I honestly didn't care because I know that I'd been in my courses, 00:23:36.885 --> 00:23:41.125 I'd passed it, I'd been out, I'd done patrols, I'd proved myself, like, 00:23:41.725 --> 00:23:44.535 if these guys didn't like it, that was their problem, not my problem. 00:23:44.774 --> 00:23:47.800 But being able to have the ability to speak to them in a way that, you 00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:52.375 know, brings you down to the same level and you take both your egos out of it 00:23:52.895 --> 00:23:55.554 and having that skill to communicate with them and still being able to be 00:23:55.554 --> 00:23:58.165 operationally effective was massive. 00:23:58.695 --> 00:24:00.455 And I learned that very quickly in Afghanistan. 00:24:00.455 --> 00:24:00.864 Can 00:24:00.865 --> 00:24:03.695 Travis Bader: you talk to me about ego in a leadership role? 00:24:04.145 --> 00:24:08.205 Angus Hilsley: So this is a huge thing that I, um, talk 00:24:08.215 --> 00:24:13.355 about in the, my business, Stoic Leadership Academy as the ego war. 00:24:14.610 --> 00:24:19.280 So, we can take this into any type of environment, it doesn't have to be in 00:24:19.290 --> 00:24:23.580 the military, but we're always going to have people we don't get on with, always. 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.629 There's always, it doesn't matter if they're different departments, same 00:24:26.629 --> 00:24:31.249 department, they're more superior to us, they're, it doesn't matter, like we're 00:24:31.249 --> 00:24:35.785 always going to have people that we just We don't see eye to eye with and it's been 00:24:35.785 --> 00:24:40.995 able to have the skills as a leader to be able to communicate with these people. 00:24:41.065 --> 00:24:46.015 And sometimes you have to take a big bite out of your own ego and just 00:24:46.215 --> 00:24:50.194 accept it for what it is and say, okay, maybe this is more my fault, even 00:24:50.195 --> 00:24:53.965 though it's not your fault, but given them the moral high ground or making 00:24:53.965 --> 00:24:58.635 them feel as if they've got the moral high ground is a huge step into canal. 00:25:00.265 --> 00:25:04.145 Can I like deactivate, or sorry, that's not the right word, can I? 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:06.050 Travis Bader: De escalating? 00:25:06.070 --> 00:25:06.200 De 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:08.140 Angus Hilsley: escalating the kind of situation. 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:08.630 Nullifying? 00:25:08.670 --> 00:25:12.519 Because I think that the egos is one of the biggest reasons 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:13.820 that things won't get done. 00:25:14.340 --> 00:25:17.500 Is, oh, I'm not speaking to him because I don't get on with it, I don't agree with 00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:18.329 what he does, I don't agree with him. 00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:23.360 But as a leader you need to have the ability to be able to, see it 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:27.140 from their point of view, because that's the problem, is we all think 00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:28.450 that we're right most of the time. 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:29.200 Travis Bader: Of course. 00:25:29.600 --> 00:25:31.339 Angus Hilsley: We always think that this is the way it should be done, 00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:33.490 because this is the way that we do things, and this is what I've learned, 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:35.930 and through all my experiences, I feel that this is the right way. 00:25:36.810 --> 00:25:39.800 But if you look at it from their perspective, they've had 00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:43.179 completely different experiences, completely different, and it's, 00:25:44.419 --> 00:25:47.649 They've developed their own concept of how things should be done. 00:25:48.800 --> 00:25:52.269 They might be completely opposite, but you need to be able to take a step back and 00:25:52.269 --> 00:25:54.080 think, Okay, why does he think like that? 00:25:54.590 --> 00:25:57.129 Why does he think that this isn't the right way to do it? 00:25:57.919 --> 00:26:02.675 And once you can start putting yourself in, And, and those shoes, I think it's 00:26:02.675 --> 00:26:07.505 very easy for it to be like, Okay, listen mate, I understand that you feel 00:26:07.505 --> 00:26:11.594 this way, I understand that I think differently, I probably should be a little 00:26:11.595 --> 00:26:13.455 bit more open to the way that you think. 00:26:13.705 --> 00:26:17.605 And once you start kind of de escalating that conflict, Things 00:26:17.605 --> 00:26:19.725 can work out a lot, a lot easier. 00:26:20.325 --> 00:26:20.565 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:26:20.565 --> 00:26:23.405 And it's funny because as a leader, you look at something and 00:26:23.405 --> 00:26:24.545 say, this is the way it's done. 00:26:24.545 --> 00:26:25.704 I know this is how it's done. 00:26:25.725 --> 00:26:28.365 I know this because of my experiences and how I've applied it. 00:26:28.375 --> 00:26:29.894 This is the right way to do it. 00:26:29.905 --> 00:26:31.204 And you can have that in your head. 00:26:31.765 --> 00:26:35.165 But I think it was general Patton who said, don't tell a person. 00:26:35.845 --> 00:26:39.065 How to do something, tell them what you want to see accomplished 00:26:39.085 --> 00:26:41.875 and let them surprise you with the results and let them just go for it. 00:26:42.085 --> 00:26:42.465 Angus Hilsley: Right. 00:26:42.465 --> 00:26:43.155 Yeah, for sure. 00:26:43.305 --> 00:26:45.575 Travis Bader: And a person can succeed or fail in their own right. 00:26:45.935 --> 00:26:46.355 Yeah. 00:26:46.835 --> 00:26:48.025 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, a hundred percent. 00:26:48.045 --> 00:26:51.974 And that's another big thing that I teach as well is, um, you. 00:26:52.600 --> 00:26:55.080 You get, this is why I teach anyway, you've got three 00:26:55.080 --> 00:26:56.660 different types of leaders. 00:26:57.820 --> 00:27:01.930 You've got power leaders, inspiring leaders, and pleasing leaders, because 00:27:01.970 --> 00:27:06.820 everybody's always going to have their own approach to leadership, and 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:12.295 it depends what environment they're in, depending on depends on if they 00:27:12.295 --> 00:27:13.915 will thrive or if they will not. 00:27:14.885 --> 00:27:19.445 So some people that are power leaders will thrive very well in, let's say 00:27:19.455 --> 00:27:24.015 military environments or whatever, and then inspiring leaders will thrive 00:27:24.065 --> 00:27:26.165 completely differently to, to those guys. 00:27:26.165 --> 00:27:29.115 But it all depends on what environment you're in and also 00:27:29.115 --> 00:27:30.445 what type of leader you are. 00:27:30.505 --> 00:27:32.875 But as you say, it's completely 00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:39.020 If you start micromanaging people, that's when it's just 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:40.490 all going to start going wrong. 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.850 Travis Bader: I found when I reached a point where I have somebody around 00:27:43.850 --> 00:27:45.719 me that requires micromanagement. 00:27:46.290 --> 00:27:48.239 And then some people are just like that. 00:27:48.250 --> 00:27:51.009 They will consistently put themselves in a position where they need to 00:27:51.019 --> 00:27:55.430 be micromanaged because they don't want to accept responsibility 00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:56.320 or whatever it might be. 00:27:57.225 --> 00:28:02.165 I find I have to identify that really quick and early and adios, right? 00:28:02.375 --> 00:28:02.645 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:28:02.645 --> 00:28:03.544 Cause that's, that's. 00:28:04.015 --> 00:28:05.405 Like you're a busy guy. 00:28:05.415 --> 00:28:06.515 Leaders are busy guys. 00:28:06.535 --> 00:28:09.495 Like you don't have the time to be doing stuff like that. 00:28:09.505 --> 00:28:13.365 Like, unless they've got the willingness to learn themselves and better themselves, 00:28:13.665 --> 00:28:20.154 like you can't hold their hand and it's a very, very hard thing to do, but you need 00:28:20.154 --> 00:28:22.484 to sometimes just take that kind of step, 00:28:22.654 --> 00:28:26.005 Travis Bader: you know, one pitfall as a, so I started my business when 00:28:26.005 --> 00:28:31.635 I was, I started teaching basically, uh, the, Uh, the main parts of what 00:28:31.635 --> 00:28:34.145 we do in Silvercore around 1994. 00:28:34.205 --> 00:28:35.575 I was still in high school at the time. 00:28:35.715 --> 00:28:37.045 I went through the cadet system. 00:28:37.045 --> 00:28:40.725 I learned their, uh, version, which was borrowed from, which is 00:28:40.725 --> 00:28:44.705 the department of national defense leadership training, which of course 00:28:44.725 --> 00:28:46.204 Canada borrows from the Brits. 00:28:46.465 --> 00:28:52.919 And, uh, uh, I, I, I learned that from And, um, I, I put into play the little 00:28:52.919 --> 00:28:57.860 pieces that I knew and what I'd learned from, uh, from different places and 00:28:58.350 --> 00:29:03.970 wanting to build people up was one of the, uh, difficult lessons that I learned 00:29:03.980 --> 00:29:06.300 is how to properly build somebody up. 00:29:07.459 --> 00:29:10.790 Because you can correct a person to a point where they're just 00:29:10.810 --> 00:29:12.320 incapable of doing anything. 00:29:12.389 --> 00:29:17.699 You can, uh, over praise somebody to the point where it builds a 00:29:17.699 --> 00:29:20.519 level of resentment in them because the next time they do something 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.610 and that's wrong, they're like, well, I did it so great before. 00:29:22.610 --> 00:29:23.129 What do you mean? 00:29:23.129 --> 00:29:23.369 Right. 00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:30.225 So, so that, that whole balance, that dichotomy of, of, uh, Corrective 00:29:30.225 --> 00:29:35.074 and instructive leadership in a way that's not micromanaging, and it's 00:29:35.084 --> 00:29:39.584 also not providing sort of a false confidence in the individual was 00:29:39.594 --> 00:29:41.655 something at a young age that I found. 00:29:41.655 --> 00:29:42.844 I had a difficult time juggling. 00:29:43.135 --> 00:29:44.994 Is that something that you've seen that others have? 00:29:45.885 --> 00:29:54.970 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, it's, I noticed it the most when I went to, so, At 00:29:55.010 --> 00:29:57.580 the end of my career in the military, I went to the Infantry Training 00:29:57.580 --> 00:29:59.050 Centre, Kachik, as an instructor. 00:29:59.570 --> 00:30:03.490 Um, and I spent the last five years there, instructing recruits to become soldiers. 00:30:04.040 --> 00:30:09.990 And that's when I really seen, seen that, was when you're getting people coming 00:30:10.010 --> 00:30:13.520 from all different experiences, all different backgrounds to life, and you're 00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:19.319 taking them through the same rigorous training, and you're, you've got time 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.749 constraints, you've got, they've got to pass certain tests, like you've got to 00:30:22.750 --> 00:30:26.875 progress through the curriculum, because it's, You've got six months, that's it. 00:30:27.185 --> 00:30:28.995 It's not like you can just keep dragging this out. 00:30:29.505 --> 00:30:34.325 And that's when you really start to see that some people just don't 00:30:34.325 --> 00:30:36.234 want to help themselves, right? 00:30:36.544 --> 00:30:40.165 They really just want everybody to do everything for them, right? 00:30:40.345 --> 00:30:47.165 And we used to get, I think it was platoons of about 30 to 40 guys, and 00:30:47.165 --> 00:30:51.060 we would take them through Obviously, we'd literally teach them everything 00:30:51.070 --> 00:30:55.190 from making a bed and brushing their teeth all the way through to firing a 00:30:55.190 --> 00:30:58.420 weapon system and doing bayonet training. 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.840 Like, we used to take them through absolutely everything. 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.819 But you would always get two or three people within one platoon. 00:31:04.819 --> 00:31:07.030 So I went through at least four or five platoons. 00:31:07.130 --> 00:31:07.370 Mm. 00:31:07.390 --> 00:31:07.550 Whatever. 00:31:08.030 --> 00:31:08.780 as an instructor. 00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:12.370 But you'd always get two or three people that just didn't want to help themselves. 00:31:12.410 --> 00:31:17.589 Like they just, no matter what approach to coaching you took. 00:31:17.890 --> 00:31:21.130 So depending on how, because you obviously have to adapt as a leader and say, okay, 00:31:21.130 --> 00:31:22.579 I'm going to try this approach first. 00:31:22.929 --> 00:31:23.919 Okay, it doesn't work. 00:31:23.949 --> 00:31:25.189 Okay, let's try this approach. 00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:26.509 Okay, it doesn't work. 00:31:26.549 --> 00:31:26.899 Okay. 00:31:27.070 --> 00:31:30.870 But you can only try so many approaches until it gets to the point where, 00:31:30.950 --> 00:31:34.934 okay, I'm sorry, but this person just doesn't have the will to, 00:31:35.285 --> 00:31:35.515 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:31:35.515 --> 00:31:37.285 And it's detracting from everyone else. 00:31:37.415 --> 00:31:40.405 If they're setting a low standard and that's viewed as acceptable. 00:31:40.625 --> 00:31:41.525 Angus Hilsley: Well, yeah. 00:31:41.535 --> 00:31:44.345 And it's like, I was always very strict. 00:31:44.345 --> 00:31:45.575 I've always got high standards. 00:31:45.575 --> 00:31:49.005 I was very strict and I think that they should have the highest 00:31:49.005 --> 00:31:50.265 of standards at all times. 00:31:50.695 --> 00:31:52.935 And my section that I had were great. 00:31:52.944 --> 00:31:56.605 They always, they always used to try and put so much time into the struggling 00:31:56.605 --> 00:31:59.815 members and stuff, but I could always see the point in which it turned. 00:31:59.815 --> 00:32:02.465 So I would say the first two months. 00:32:02.885 --> 00:32:06.475 It was a case of, I would go and show them how to do things, I would speak to 00:32:06.475 --> 00:32:10.865 the rest of my guys, and then they'd be like, okay, and they would get on top of 00:32:10.865 --> 00:32:13.845 the one person that was struggling, they'd be like, okay, what can I do to help me, 00:32:13.855 --> 00:32:16.365 like, do you need me to take you through this, do you want me to show you how to 00:32:16.395 --> 00:32:20.004 do this again, and they would always get around them, but I could always tell the 00:32:20.004 --> 00:32:25.444 one point in the section where everything changed towards this person, because they 00:32:25.584 --> 00:32:29.084 just wouldn't help themselves, there's only so much that they could do and I 00:32:29.114 --> 00:32:34.215 could do, and then this person was kind of like, Is that a recourse or a bin? 00:32:34.605 --> 00:32:38.695 So if that's the case and they, and they're not passing requirements, 00:32:38.735 --> 00:32:40.255 they'll get what's called back squatted. 00:32:40.285 --> 00:32:42.655 So they'll go to the platoon behind us, which is probably 00:32:42.665 --> 00:32:43.914 about six to eight weeks. 00:32:44.305 --> 00:32:46.274 They'll go back, retrain everything again. 00:32:46.605 --> 00:32:48.395 The other thing, they'll get one more chance. 00:32:48.494 --> 00:32:52.205 And then after that they get brown layered and they'll just get told to leave. 00:32:52.345 --> 00:32:52.705 Yeah. 00:32:53.155 --> 00:32:55.695 Which needs to be, at the end of the day, you're training for 00:32:55.695 --> 00:32:59.880 something that you can't really have There's no much margin for error. 00:33:00.010 --> 00:33:00.600 Do you know what I mean? 00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:01.460 When it gets down to it? 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.830 So, 00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:05.560 Travis Bader: you know, I used to spend a lot of time trying to 00:33:05.800 --> 00:33:10.020 research ways to bring the best people on that I can on the team. 00:33:10.579 --> 00:33:15.719 Uh, how, how can I write the best copy for a, uh, uh, helped wanted 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.679 at, how can I do the best interview to kind of weed people out? 00:33:18.679 --> 00:33:21.950 How can I, and I go through all these different things, uh, And I've learned 00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:28.890 that some people that just wouldn't pass the bar on this, uh, testing system that 00:33:28.890 --> 00:33:34.539 I'd created prior could actually be really good people to work with and other people 00:33:34.540 --> 00:33:38.349 who could just do phenomenally, like I'd look at CVS of a law enforcement come 00:33:38.350 --> 00:33:41.905 through and they'd have Four pages of all these different little two day and three 00:33:41.905 --> 00:33:43.565 day courses that they're an expert in. 00:33:43.575 --> 00:33:46.135 They go through and it's like, man, this person looks great, but if they 00:33:46.135 --> 00:33:49.194 didn't have those core values that their mother should have taught them, right. 00:33:49.194 --> 00:33:49.494 Yeah. 00:33:49.555 --> 00:33:51.235 It was your loss. 00:33:51.245 --> 00:33:55.195 So instead of getting very good at hiring, I took a different mindset. 00:33:55.655 --> 00:33:58.795 And get very good at firing, which has always been a very difficult 00:33:58.805 --> 00:34:01.165 thing for me, because I want to see the best in everybody. 00:34:01.175 --> 00:34:06.245 I want to see everyone succeed, but I kind of changed my perspective on get 00:34:06.245 --> 00:34:10.275 good at firing and it's not like the Donald Trump apprentice you're fired. 00:34:10.525 --> 00:34:13.035 It's look at you're not working out here. 00:34:13.364 --> 00:34:16.135 Um, it's clear you're passionate about other things. 00:34:16.155 --> 00:34:16.825 You know what? 00:34:16.865 --> 00:34:19.655 I know people who work in the area that you're passionate about. 00:34:19.935 --> 00:34:22.095 Let's get you over into a different area. 00:34:22.125 --> 00:34:24.115 Let's make sure you've got a positive reference. 00:34:24.125 --> 00:34:27.175 Let's make sure you got a little bit extra money in your pocket 00:34:27.175 --> 00:34:28.754 as you go out of the door. 00:34:28.754 --> 00:34:31.644 And just, I mean, when I first started, I was like, why would 00:34:31.645 --> 00:34:36.115 I pay a person who's absolutely just humping the dog here, right? 00:34:36.955 --> 00:34:37.975 A bit extra to get out. 00:34:38.215 --> 00:34:42.975 And in the long run, I've found it creates a much Better environment 00:34:43.615 --> 00:34:45.055 and I'm still learning every day. 00:34:45.055 --> 00:34:45.545 I've learned it 00:34:45.555 --> 00:34:47.685 Angus Hilsley: for sure, though, but it is the right way to go. 00:34:47.685 --> 00:34:49.975 I mean, you can only take something so far. 00:34:49.975 --> 00:34:54.455 And then you need to start thinking of how you could best help that person move on. 00:34:55.024 --> 00:35:00.025 And a big part of, um, well, stoicism, what I My business 00:35:00.025 --> 00:35:01.695 is Stoic Leadership Academy. 00:35:02.105 --> 00:35:04.995 One of the virtues of Stoicism is justice. 00:35:05.765 --> 00:35:07.835 And with justice, that's what it's all about. 00:35:08.164 --> 00:35:12.355 Even though you might not agree with somebody or see eye to eye with 00:35:12.365 --> 00:35:17.955 somebody, you're still gonna have basic kind of level of understanding as a 00:35:17.955 --> 00:35:22.175 leader that this person isn't for me, but I still want to see them do well. 00:35:22.175 --> 00:35:26.455 And it's all about helping that person that might not came from the 00:35:26.465 --> 00:35:30.635 best background or they might not be that nicer person in general. 00:35:30.675 --> 00:35:34.674 Like you might not think that actually a good person, but you still want to provide 00:35:34.695 --> 00:35:39.915 them with as much help as you possibly can and kind of give them that direction that 00:35:39.975 --> 00:35:43.735 when you can, uh, when you Once they leave your environment, you can say, I did as 00:35:43.735 --> 00:35:45.325 much as I possibly could for that person. 00:35:46.125 --> 00:35:47.175 Travis Bader: I agree with that. 00:35:47.195 --> 00:35:49.405 And I think, and it might not be the case. 00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:52.635 Everyone's perspective is always going to be different and be like, 00:35:52.635 --> 00:35:54.715 well, I'll go 50, 50 with you. 00:35:54.735 --> 00:35:55.085 Right. 00:35:55.204 --> 00:35:56.364 We did, it didn't work out. 00:35:56.364 --> 00:35:57.645 Here's we've split it down the middle. 00:35:57.674 --> 00:35:58.465 And I found. 00:35:59.445 --> 00:36:05.284 I have to take a mindset where I'm giving 60 percent or 70%. 00:36:05.285 --> 00:36:05.575 Yeah. 00:36:05.935 --> 00:36:09.634 And you just, you're taking the high, high ground, which is beyond 00:36:09.635 --> 00:36:12.574 reproach and in the other person's head, maybe they're thinking it's 00:36:12.574 --> 00:36:15.725 50, 50, even though in your head, you're like, no, no, this isn't right. 00:36:16.545 --> 00:36:16.894 Angus Hilsley: It's true though. 00:36:17.055 --> 00:36:17.285 Yeah. 00:36:17.295 --> 00:36:18.005 It's so true. 00:36:18.135 --> 00:36:18.405 Right. 00:36:18.445 --> 00:36:18.575 And. 00:36:19.665 --> 00:36:23.645 Yeah, it's a hard one as a leader, it is, it's very hard, but that's something 00:36:23.645 --> 00:36:28.835 that all you can do is, is grow as a person from your own experiences and, 00:36:29.085 --> 00:36:34.145 and kind of try and better yourself and approach things a little bit better and 00:36:35.335 --> 00:36:41.264 it comes to people eventually, I think having that kind of broad dynamic of 00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:45.670 having all these different leadership types that I talked about earlier on. 00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:50.750 So I've, I've got a chart that I use that I teach and it's not about being 00:36:51.009 --> 00:36:54.250 a power leader or being an aspiring leader or being a pleasing leader. 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:58.040 It's about having the right ratio of your pie chart of all three. 00:36:59.240 --> 00:37:00.850 You need to assess the situation. 00:37:00.850 --> 00:37:04.660 You need to assess the person that you're looking at and you need to say, 00:37:04.660 --> 00:37:06.950 what, who, what leader do I need to be? 00:37:07.390 --> 00:37:11.360 For this person to make it work and I think just having that 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:16.015 flexibility and adaptability in your Your skills is, is one of the 00:37:16.025 --> 00:37:17.385 best tools you'll learn as a leader. 00:37:17.595 --> 00:37:21.335 Travis Bader: Do you have any examples of some particularly inspiring leaders 00:37:21.335 --> 00:37:25.625 that you've encountered or times when you've applied your leadership principles 00:37:25.625 --> 00:37:28.155 in a way that you look back and like, man, that worked out really well. 00:37:28.535 --> 00:37:34.665 And, uh, conversely to that, any examples of times that everything kind of went 00:37:36.035 --> 00:37:36.465 Angus Hilsley: wrong. 00:37:37.120 --> 00:37:41.740 So it's first starting off on good leaders, um, that I've had within my 00:37:41.740 --> 00:37:45.360 life when I very first turned up to my battalion we had this company commander 00:37:46.390 --> 00:37:50.540 and He was to this day probably the best leader I've ever seen in my life 00:37:50.590 --> 00:37:51.000 Travis Bader: Hmm, 00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:53.689 Angus Hilsley: and I never realized he was the best leader until we got 00:37:53.689 --> 00:37:57.540 our next company commander who was the worst leader Like, I don't know 00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.724 Travis Bader: Was it just because of the comparison this guy was saying? 00:37:59.725 --> 00:38:02.145 So good that the other one looks terrible or both 00:38:02.145 --> 00:38:05.865 Angus Hilsley: of them renowned for their respective kind of positions. 00:38:06.425 --> 00:38:10.034 So it wasn't just our judgment as soldiers. 00:38:10.125 --> 00:38:13.934 It was, it was the truth, but the first company commander we 00:38:13.935 --> 00:38:16.765 had, he was literally everything that you would want as a leader. 00:38:16.774 --> 00:38:17.215 He was. 00:38:17.375 --> 00:38:22.995 Just inspiring, fit, robust, knowledgeable, like, very compassionate, 00:38:23.005 --> 00:38:26.535 empathetic, like he was, he had it all and it was just natural to him. 00:38:26.565 --> 00:38:30.264 He was one of those people that just people would, would want to follow. 00:38:31.015 --> 00:38:33.925 And he was kind of, I would say one of my mentors for the, probably the 00:38:33.925 --> 00:38:35.625 first five years of my army career. 00:38:36.135 --> 00:38:38.865 And definitely the reason to where I got to. 00:38:39.705 --> 00:38:42.015 Um, Yeah. 00:38:42.025 --> 00:38:45.335 On the flip side to that, the one we got next was horrendous. 00:38:45.685 --> 00:38:48.225 Morale was at an all time, all time low with that guy. 00:38:48.835 --> 00:38:52.745 But because, what would he do that would cause morale to be low? 00:38:54.335 --> 00:38:56.844 Always thought about himself and never about his men. 00:38:58.935 --> 00:39:05.494 So when I was talking about my three types of leaders, power leaders, 00:39:05.984 --> 00:39:08.980 and each type of leaders, roles. 00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:10.180 They've got good and bad. 00:39:10.470 --> 00:39:14.110 And with power leaders, a lot of the time, it's for their own ego. 00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:15.590 Everything they do is for their ego. 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.209 It's not, it's not for their men. 00:39:17.209 --> 00:39:20.809 It's for, okay, I want to make myself look good, or I want to get some 00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:23.010 sort of gain from what I'm doing. 00:39:23.459 --> 00:39:24.309 And that's what it is. 00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:25.929 And that's all he ever did. 00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:30.230 Everything was always to make him look good. 00:39:30.310 --> 00:39:32.590 But the rest of the boys measurable. 00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:38.350 Like if he would, He would make us stand outside for hours and hours and hours 00:39:38.350 --> 00:39:41.380 just while he was sorting something out in his office where he could have just 00:39:41.380 --> 00:39:45.330 told us, okay, go away, lads, go and get some food or whatever, small things 00:39:45.330 --> 00:39:51.070 like that, small, small things that over a course of two years, that gets to 00:39:51.080 --> 00:39:54.740 the point where guys are just like, I'm not, I'm not doing what you want, like, 00:39:55.010 --> 00:39:59.630 Travis Bader: isn't it funny how, when you start putting others ahead of yourself, 00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:02.080 all of a sudden it builds you up. 00:40:02.130 --> 00:40:04.080 Angus Hilsley: So that's one of the biggest things. 00:40:04.795 --> 00:40:12.385 I believe as a leader, if you start putting people's futures as a forefront 00:40:12.405 --> 00:40:16.604 of what you're trying to achieve, and don't think about anything else of your 00:40:16.604 --> 00:40:21.725 own personal gain, just really want the best outcome for that person, everything 00:40:21.725 --> 00:40:25.384 in your life will start just automatically following the way you want it to follow. 00:40:25.574 --> 00:40:27.244 That is brilliant advice. 00:40:27.384 --> 00:40:32.984 It's once we stop looking at ourselves and start looking at other people and 00:40:32.984 --> 00:40:38.090 just really wanting the best out of everybody that we're working with. 00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:42.310 I think all the other things that we worry about just kind of start fading out. 00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:46.919 And before we know it, we'll look back in 10 years and be like, Oh my God, like 00:40:47.029 --> 00:40:49.269 I'm actually the person I wanted to be. 00:40:49.650 --> 00:40:52.170 And all I've done is help people wanted to help. 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.149 Do you know what I mean? 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:59.825 I think it's, Such a simple tool that people forget about because it's only 00:40:59.825 --> 00:41:03.055 natural that we want to think about our own best interests but once you 00:41:03.055 --> 00:41:07.035 start thinking about other people's more than yourself, that selflessness. 00:41:07.165 --> 00:41:07.635 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:10.640 Well, when you're, when you're running a sports team, or you're 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:14.560 running a business, you're running an organization, what's the best interest? 00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:17.480 Well, for a sports team, it's where we're cohesive and we're winning 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.609 games and we're, we're progressing and everyone's doing well, right? 00:41:20.610 --> 00:41:23.979 The business you're, you're making money, you're working together as a team, right? 00:41:24.339 --> 00:41:28.399 So people might not necessarily look at an individual's best interest. 00:41:28.399 --> 00:41:30.590 They say, well, this isn't the best interest for the company. 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.030 We want to get from point A to point B, we want to be able to earn more money. 00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:38.085 And they kind of lose sight of the, the Individual that's involved, 00:41:38.095 --> 00:41:39.545 that's required to take you there. 00:41:40.165 --> 00:41:44.735 And they'll say, well, come on, let's, let's put some more in. 00:41:44.735 --> 00:41:46.124 Cause we've got to get wherever it might be. 00:41:46.124 --> 00:41:54.034 But I think it takes a keen individual to be able to identify another individual and 00:41:54.034 --> 00:41:58.825 what their strengths or weaknesses might be, because if they're really struggling 00:41:58.835 --> 00:42:00.245 and they're having a difficult time. 00:42:01.225 --> 00:42:05.145 And you're putting that pressure on for them so that your sports team or your, 00:42:05.155 --> 00:42:06.845 your business can get to the next level. 00:42:07.495 --> 00:42:11.405 Um, you're not thinking about them as an individual anymore. 00:42:11.475 --> 00:42:11.755 Yeah. 00:42:11.935 --> 00:42:12.175 Yeah. 00:42:12.695 --> 00:42:15.155 And maybe the best thing you can do for that person is say, 00:42:15.634 --> 00:42:16.925 this isn't the place for you. 00:42:17.004 --> 00:42:17.344 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:42:17.455 --> 00:42:17.745 Right. 00:42:17.764 --> 00:42:18.335 A hundred percent. 00:42:18.584 --> 00:42:18.794 Yeah. 00:42:18.834 --> 00:42:19.684 Could not agree more. 00:42:20.125 --> 00:42:21.065 It just all depends. 00:42:21.125 --> 00:42:25.385 It's your, your, your decision as a leader where you need to make, and 00:42:25.725 --> 00:42:29.115 it's a, an example I've got of this is. 00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:34.900 So when we were instructing recruits, we used to have people from some horrendous 00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:40.679 backgrounds, really bad, like literally this was their last chance in life, and 00:42:40.680 --> 00:42:44.860 you know the funny thing was most of these people were always the best soldiers. 00:42:45.939 --> 00:42:47.310 Travis Bader: It's funny how that works, eh? 00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:48.329 Angus Hilsley: Always the best. 00:42:48.369 --> 00:42:48.779 Why do you 00:42:48.779 --> 00:42:49.160 Travis Bader: think that 00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:49.450 Angus Hilsley: is? 00:42:49.490 --> 00:42:50.190 Because the 00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:54.230 , they've just got everything to gain. 00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:55.310 They've got nothing to lose. 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:55.790 Mm. 00:42:55.790 --> 00:42:58.550 It's just they've got, they burnt the ships. 00:42:59.060 --> 00:43:00.410 Uh, and they're humble though. 00:43:00.410 --> 00:43:01.100 They're like, right. 00:43:01.970 --> 00:43:03.320 They were always the humblest. 00:43:03.325 --> 00:43:05.600 Like we had people that used to live in the streets that were drug 00:43:05.600 --> 00:43:10.940 addicts that used to go through horrendous forms of, um, abuse. 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:12.890 And they were always the best. 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:18.440 They were always, I think just having the cohesion of having friends around 00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.390 them for the first time, having. 00:43:21.275 --> 00:43:25.495 some form of kind of not rank structure, but people to look up to 00:43:26.015 --> 00:43:28.295 having food, like just basic things. 00:43:28.295 --> 00:43:30.005 I think to them it was everything. 00:43:30.885 --> 00:43:34.925 And they, they, they just, they appreciated everything they got 00:43:34.975 --> 00:43:37.494 and they really made the most of the opportunity that they had. 00:43:37.495 --> 00:43:43.795 But going back to the example that, um, that we were talking about before, 00:43:43.825 --> 00:43:48.985 when you're dealing with these type of people, um, it really does make you. 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.290 When you're focusing, like, cause I, it's hard to say but I, you end up kind of 00:43:55.390 --> 00:44:00.449 picking your favourites within a section, not that you'd ever say that, but you 00:44:00.449 --> 00:44:04.695 always kind of see like, And it was always the people that had the worst backgrounds 00:44:04.695 --> 00:44:07.295 that became your favorite, I feel. 00:44:07.875 --> 00:44:11.134 I feel like people that came from privileged backgrounds were always hard 00:44:11.134 --> 00:44:16.754 to deal with, they, like, they just, they thought they were better than everybody 00:44:16.754 --> 00:44:21.405 else and you had a lot of things that you needed to kind of break out of them, so 00:44:21.414 --> 00:44:23.155 you could kind of remold them as soldiers. 00:44:23.625 --> 00:44:26.405 Whereas these guys were just, you wanted them to do well, because they 00:44:26.405 --> 00:44:27.835 knew that this was their last shot. 00:44:28.165 --> 00:44:30.585 Travis Bader: Maybe a bit of it, have you heard of the Sports Illustrated curse? 00:44:30.950 --> 00:44:33.640 No, they say you get on the cover of sports illustrated and all of a 00:44:33.640 --> 00:44:36.930 sudden you're going to go downhill. 00:44:37.150 --> 00:44:37.410 Yeah. 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.710 Well, if you're on the cover of sports illustrated, it's probably 00:44:39.710 --> 00:44:41.420 because you're top of your game. 00:44:41.750 --> 00:44:43.190 Where else do you have to go? 00:44:43.220 --> 00:44:43.520 Right. 00:44:43.550 --> 00:44:44.030 Angus Hilsley: Exactly. 00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:46.160 There's no, there's, there's no, there's nowhere else to go. 00:44:46.179 --> 00:44:46.519 Travis Bader: Right. 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.589 You can, you can maybe maintain for a while, but at some point you're 00:44:49.589 --> 00:44:50.944 going to start going downhill and. 00:44:51.615 --> 00:44:51.695 Angus Hilsley: Exactly. 00:44:51.805 --> 00:44:54.675 And what we were talking about before though, like seeing these people. 00:44:54.675 --> 00:44:59.885 So when you focus your attention on these people and take yourself 00:44:59.925 --> 00:45:02.895 out of the equation, because in the army, there's no personal gain. 00:45:03.085 --> 00:45:05.824 You're not getting anything from this apart from your 00:45:05.825 --> 00:45:07.655 fulfillment at the end, right? 00:45:07.745 --> 00:45:08.464 That's it. 00:45:08.465 --> 00:45:09.495 You don't get any more money. 00:45:09.735 --> 00:45:11.244 Like you don't get respect of your peers. 00:45:11.244 --> 00:45:12.289 You get your spectator peers. 00:45:12.289 --> 00:45:12.975 Yeah, that's true. 00:45:13.235 --> 00:45:16.695 And that's, that's what ended up happening with me after my second 00:45:16.695 --> 00:45:19.385 platoon was I got the top instructor out of the whole battalion. 00:45:19.385 --> 00:45:20.145 Yeah. 00:45:20.145 --> 00:45:20.159 Yeah. 00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:23.830 Because it was, I was dealing with these types of people and focusing all my energy 00:45:23.850 --> 00:45:29.020 on these people and you don't realize it at the time, like you're just focused 00:45:29.020 --> 00:45:31.889 on, okay, I want to get this guy through the next stage of training, I want to get 00:45:31.889 --> 00:45:36.159 him to pass out, I want to get him to be a soldier, move on his battalion and you 00:45:36.290 --> 00:45:39.320 don't think about your own personal gain at all because in the military there's 00:45:39.329 --> 00:45:45.830 not really much to gain, but that sense of fulfillment at the end when they pass out 00:45:45.830 --> 00:45:49.640 and they're passing out parade, one of the best feelings I've ever had in my life. 00:45:50.030 --> 00:45:52.160 Travis Bader: Well, doesn't Simon Sinek say something about that? 00:45:52.210 --> 00:45:53.260 Do you ever, do you ever, 00:45:54.210 --> 00:45:55.770 Angus Hilsley: I'm the Bitcoin reason why. 00:45:56.090 --> 00:45:56.420 Travis Bader: Right. 00:45:56.420 --> 00:45:56.750 Okay. 00:45:56.810 --> 00:45:57.270 That was good. 00:45:57.330 --> 00:45:58.070 That was a good one. 00:45:58.180 --> 00:46:02.719 And he talks about, you know, true leaderships are there to look after 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:03.690 the people that they're leading. 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:04.779 That's, that's their role. 00:46:04.780 --> 00:46:09.460 It's not to, uh, you know, It's not for you to be awesome and 00:46:09.470 --> 00:46:10.580 look at, look at this great job. 00:46:10.610 --> 00:46:13.750 Your, your job literally is you're, you're a humble servant 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.820 for them to make them awesome. 00:46:15.829 --> 00:46:18.429 Angus Hilsley: You need, you need to be, you need to think about your guys. 00:46:18.449 --> 00:46:23.629 And if you just think about your guys, you will be a good leader in some respect, 00:46:24.050 --> 00:46:29.150 like maybe not in other areas, but if you just put your men or your women or 00:46:29.150 --> 00:46:33.920 whoever, like an army, it was always had my boys in front of everything 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.119 else and made sure that they were okay. 00:46:37.190 --> 00:46:38.530 everything else was normally fine. 00:46:38.650 --> 00:46:42.560 Like, and it's, that was one thing that the army does teach you very 00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:46.999 well because they give you, the army love acronyms and formats and 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:52.540 those, and it's literally, as a lance corporal or as a section commander, 00:46:52.629 --> 00:46:58.170 before you do anything to yourself, you've got to go around sectional 00:46:58.170 --> 00:46:59.190 platoon and make sure they're fine. 00:46:59.890 --> 00:47:05.210 So before you change your socks, before you your own food 00:47:05.260 --> 00:47:06.630 before you clean your own rifle. 00:47:06.630 --> 00:47:09.800 Before you do any of this, you're going around all your, all your 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.260 guys, making sure that they've got all the things that they need. 00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:14.000 They're all doing fine. 00:47:14.010 --> 00:47:14.939 Their morale is okay. 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.330 Once all that's done, then you start focusing on yourself. 00:47:17.770 --> 00:47:19.640 Travis Bader: How do you turn around poor morale? 00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:20.920 I've been in it earlier. 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.090 We're talking about some of the work that I've done across Canada. 00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:28.430 At one point I was doing all of the armor car companies for British 00:47:28.430 --> 00:47:32.195 Columbia, their firearms, repair and maintenance, and, and Uh, a couple 00:47:32.195 --> 00:47:33.645 of different multinational ones. 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.930 And one of the multinational organizations, uh, had gone 00:47:37.930 --> 00:47:41.870 and turned over numerous times and numerous, uh, name changes. 00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:48.000 And you could see for years, the morale sliding and sliding and sliding. 00:47:48.770 --> 00:47:53.169 Uh, if you were to come into, let's say, an, in a, you come to a platoon 00:47:53.169 --> 00:47:56.109 that you've watched the morale just go straight downhill or a business where 00:47:56.230 --> 00:47:58.100 the morale has been having been an issue. 00:47:58.350 --> 00:48:01.195 What would you do to try and, uh, Change that around. 00:48:01.865 --> 00:48:02.355 Um, 00:48:03.715 --> 00:48:07.745 Angus Hilsley: so whatever environment it was that was coming into, if it 00:48:07.745 --> 00:48:12.135 was a platoon or a section or if it was whatever, a business, sports, 00:48:12.525 --> 00:48:15.994 whatever it would be, if you're coming into work with a team, um, there's a 00:48:15.994 --> 00:48:20.034 progression system that I use on my course and principles that I use, but 00:48:20.034 --> 00:48:21.565 you need to, first of all, observe. 00:48:21.625 --> 00:48:27.245 So you need to just step back and watch a day in the life of this team. 00:48:27.745 --> 00:48:28.555 How do they work? 00:48:29.015 --> 00:48:29.875 Who speaks to who? 00:48:29.904 --> 00:48:31.015 Who doesn't talk to who? 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.390 how do they communicate? 00:48:33.670 --> 00:48:34.250 How do they work? 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.130 What's their efficiency? 00:48:35.170 --> 00:48:39.350 Like you need to just step back and watch them and from there you'll be 00:48:39.350 --> 00:48:43.070 able to gauge what's wrong and then depending on what's wrong that's 00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:44.709 when you need to start as a leader. 00:48:44.709 --> 00:48:48.670 You need to start thinking about ways you need to start problem solving. 00:48:48.670 --> 00:48:50.439 Problem solving is a huge part about being a leader. 00:48:50.859 --> 00:48:53.370 You start problem solving your way around how you're going to do that. 00:48:53.390 --> 00:48:58.170 I feel that bond and interaction is the biggest thing for morale. 00:48:59.905 --> 00:49:00.765 It's huge. 00:49:00.915 --> 00:49:05.695 In the military, the bond that you get with the people that you 00:49:05.695 --> 00:49:10.764 work with is like no other bond you'll ever get with anybody. 00:49:10.855 --> 00:49:11.585 It's crazy. 00:49:11.615 --> 00:49:17.055 Like, I still speak to guys every now and then after years 00:49:17.055 --> 00:49:18.155 and it's just like, we've Yeah. 00:49:18.685 --> 00:49:20.095 spoke yesterday, do you know what I mean? 00:49:20.095 --> 00:49:21.865 Like you create a bond that's unbelievable. 00:49:23.125 --> 00:49:29.005 And when you can create a team that's got such a strong bond together, it 00:49:29.005 --> 00:49:33.915 doesn't matter what job you're doing or how bad the job is or how horrendous the 00:49:33.915 --> 00:49:38.685 task is or whatever it is, it doesn't matter because if you're in it together, 00:49:38.705 --> 00:49:41.885 you just laugh and joke about it and you just help each other through it. 00:49:42.145 --> 00:49:48.080 So I think, Bond and team cohesion is the first step to having good morale. 00:49:48.110 --> 00:49:52.760 If you, if people don't get on and you're just arguing and bickering and all these 00:49:52.770 --> 00:49:56.350 egos that we're talking about before, if there's too many egos in there, if you 00:49:56.350 --> 00:49:59.300 can't create a team that works, you're never going to have a team of morale. 00:50:01.095 --> 00:50:03.635 Travis Bader: Uh, a shared adversity I found is, is something 00:50:03.635 --> 00:50:05.735 that's pretty effective as well. 00:50:05.815 --> 00:50:06.405 Huge. 00:50:06.415 --> 00:50:07.105 It's massive. 00:50:07.155 --> 00:50:10.905 Angus Hilsley: And once you start, once you start having a team, that's kind 00:50:10.905 --> 00:50:14.365 of, let's say weathered and they've been through experiences together 00:50:14.365 --> 00:50:20.564 and they start going through hard, hard situations, then it's going 00:50:21.675 --> 00:50:23.395 That team will just be unbreakable. 00:50:23.805 --> 00:50:26.405 They'll go through anything you want them to go through and it 00:50:26.405 --> 00:50:28.655 doesn't matter how good or how bad. 00:50:28.655 --> 00:50:33.535 That bond that they have, as a leader, you probably won't even have to do very much. 00:50:33.565 --> 00:50:36.485 Because their bond will be that good that they can just work with each other 00:50:36.485 --> 00:50:38.224 and their morale will always be good. 00:50:39.114 --> 00:50:44.215 That's one thing that I always really loved about the military, was no matter 00:50:44.215 --> 00:50:49.975 how bad things were, it was just, there's always a way to make fun of 00:50:49.975 --> 00:50:54.445 somebody or have a laugh and like, you just, you don't take things seriously. 00:50:54.445 --> 00:50:57.334 You just, you just do it together because you're in it together 00:50:57.335 --> 00:50:58.325 and you just get through it. 00:50:58.814 --> 00:51:00.755 And the thing is you do it for each other. 00:51:01.995 --> 00:51:04.335 That's a very hard thing to do outside of the military though. 00:51:05.434 --> 00:51:09.215 How do you make people work for each other and not make them work for the company? 00:51:09.405 --> 00:51:09.885 That was going to be 00:51:09.885 --> 00:51:10.475 Travis Bader: my question. 00:51:11.055 --> 00:51:11.365 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:51:11.445 --> 00:51:12.515 That's the hardest thing. 00:51:12.545 --> 00:51:15.605 So in the military, you work with each other because. 00:51:16.775 --> 00:51:20.365 When it comes down to it, your life's on the line, and you're looking after their 00:51:20.365 --> 00:51:24.405 life, and you're looking after the guys left and right here, or behind you, or 00:51:24.405 --> 00:51:27.555 whatever it is, but at the end of the day, you're looking after each other's lives. 00:51:27.565 --> 00:51:32.574 So, when it comes down to it, like, the bond that you build is with each other, 00:51:32.575 --> 00:51:37.405 because, you know, if you get it wrong, then it's gonna have serious consequences. 00:51:37.435 --> 00:51:43.730 So you take things very seriously, but when you come out, And, uh, kind 00:51:43.730 --> 00:51:47.390 of the business world or whatever it may be, it's very hard to make 00:51:47.410 --> 00:51:50.200 people work for each other rather than think, Oh, well, no, this is 00:51:50.200 --> 00:51:51.920 just for the company's best interest. 00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:54.850 Like they just want to make more money out of us or do you know what I mean? 00:51:54.850 --> 00:52:02.070 You need to focus the gain as a team rather than outside of that team. 00:52:02.090 --> 00:52:06.770 And for the company, it needs to be more towards how are we 00:52:06.770 --> 00:52:07.880 going to better each other? 00:52:07.890 --> 00:52:08.679 How are we going to. 00:52:09.640 --> 00:52:10.740 What are we going to get out of this? 00:52:10.740 --> 00:52:11.320 Do you know what I mean? 00:52:11.380 --> 00:52:14.390 Travis Bader: Well, maybe, yeah, by within a company rewarding. 00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:21.310 Maybe it might not be the top earner that's getting the reward that month, but 00:52:21.310 --> 00:52:25.320 as a person who's provided that top order, the ability to all the leads for their 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:28.910 sales, or they busted their butt to make sure that they had everything in order. 00:52:28.910 --> 00:52:32.609 So the other person could go out and do whatever it might be, and maybe changing 00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:34.889 that reward structure of for sure 00:52:35.189 --> 00:52:38.140 Angus Hilsley: that like, and you read all about it, as you said, about Simon 00:52:38.140 --> 00:52:41.990 Sinek with his leadership, but he uses Costco as one of the main example, 00:52:42.450 --> 00:52:46.715 because they've got one of the best, um, uh, Kind of reward system in the world. 00:52:46.825 --> 00:52:51.555 And like, when you look at their company growth from way back in 1980 or 90, when 00:52:51.555 --> 00:52:54.795 they first started, and then you look at their growth and everybody was like, 00:52:54.805 --> 00:52:56.435 oh, there's no way that's going to work. 00:52:56.435 --> 00:52:57.525 Like that's crazy. 00:52:57.805 --> 00:52:59.485 And then you just see it gradually over time. 00:52:59.575 --> 00:53:02.154 It's just like, what do they do for their reward system? 00:53:02.165 --> 00:53:05.145 So they, they give them. 00:53:05.735 --> 00:53:10.505 Shares in the company, they give them, I think it's an unbelievable benefits 00:53:10.505 --> 00:53:13.885 package that's like the best you can get. 00:53:14.385 --> 00:53:17.705 Um, they give them, I think more time off than any other company. 00:53:17.825 --> 00:53:22.054 They pretty much give them more perks than what most companies do, but it works 00:53:22.204 --> 00:53:23.694 because people are happy to work there. 00:53:24.454 --> 00:53:27.625 Travis Bader: I think there's got to be a, um, a balance to that as well. 00:53:27.635 --> 00:53:27.805 Angus Hilsley: For 00:53:27.805 --> 00:53:28.085 Travis Bader: sure. 00:53:28.435 --> 00:53:31.185 Angus Hilsley: You need to figure out what works for you in terms of. 00:53:31.555 --> 00:53:34.435 Like productivity and you're not going to start losing money 00:53:34.585 --> 00:53:35.385 Travis Bader: because you look at Twitter. 00:53:35.395 --> 00:53:38.115 Remember when Elon took over Twitter and he's 00:53:38.115 --> 00:53:40.455 Angus Hilsley: like, it's got 80 percent of it, and 00:53:40.455 --> 00:53:42.795 Travis Bader: it's still running and doing what it's got to be doing. 00:53:42.795 --> 00:53:43.265 It shows you 00:53:43.265 --> 00:53:43.804 Angus Hilsley: that doesn't it? 00:53:43.804 --> 00:53:49.585 Like you can be very brutal and things can still work, but it's, I think it's 00:53:49.605 --> 00:53:53.505 just all about your, Your business though, and your kind of people that 00:53:53.505 --> 00:53:57.085 you have working for that business and how you want the image of your business 00:53:57.085 --> 00:54:01.024 to look like, for instance, Elon Musk didn't care at all about censorship. 00:54:01.024 --> 00:54:05.545 So he's just like, okay, I'm cutting 80 percent of the people that check that. 00:54:05.554 --> 00:54:09.014 So it's, it's all about how you want your company to look and Costco 00:54:09.014 --> 00:54:11.725 have nailed it the way that they do it and people are happy to work 00:54:11.905 --> 00:54:13.415 for them for a long period of time. 00:54:13.975 --> 00:54:19.555 And another one that Costco does is they've got a great leadership program. 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:20.520 Okay. 00:54:20.530 --> 00:54:26.290 So taking people from when they first join and working with them and educating them 00:54:26.990 --> 00:54:31.960 and coaching them up through the kind of seniority rank structure of the company. 00:54:32.270 --> 00:54:34.200 And yeah, it works. 00:54:34.299 --> 00:54:37.740 And you look at the figures and the charts that's in that book and it's, 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.379 it's unbelievable because for somebody to look at that kind of business idea 00:54:43.879 --> 00:54:49.295 right at the very start of launching a business, you'd be like, that's craziness. 00:54:49.335 --> 00:54:51.365 You're, you're, you're just going to be bleeding money. 00:54:51.425 --> 00:54:53.435 Like, but it works. 00:54:53.435 --> 00:54:56.185 Like if you give people That a little bit more and show 00:54:56.185 --> 00:54:57.385 them that you care about them. 00:54:57.765 --> 00:54:59.375 They'll give back a little bit more. 00:55:00.085 --> 00:55:02.985 Travis Bader: And they have those amazing hot dogs that always stay the same price. 00:55:03.265 --> 00:55:04.604 For one, 1. 00:55:04.604 --> 00:55:04.605 50. 00:55:04.605 --> 00:55:04.865 That's right. 00:55:05.205 --> 00:55:05.345 Angus Hilsley: Crazy. 00:55:07.055 --> 00:55:08.884 It's a, it's dangerous game going in there. 00:55:08.885 --> 00:55:09.819 I love it. 00:55:09.819 --> 00:55:10.443 I love 00:55:10.443 --> 00:55:10.754 Travis Bader: it. 00:55:11.595 --> 00:55:13.725 Um, I was researching those hot dogs. 00:55:13.725 --> 00:55:16.635 I thought they were like Nathan's hot dogs, which I like as well, but, uh, 00:55:16.675 --> 00:55:19.625 they make their own, they got their own operation to keep costs down. 00:55:19.665 --> 00:55:19.955 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:55:19.955 --> 00:55:21.345 Oh, they're so good, man. 00:55:21.545 --> 00:55:23.145 It's just, it's a highlight of my day. 00:55:23.184 --> 00:55:23.885 Whenever I go to Costco. 00:55:24.695 --> 00:55:24.775 I 00:55:24.775 --> 00:55:26.864 Travis Bader: don't know how a person could ever go hungry between Ikea 00:55:26.864 --> 00:55:29.527 breakfasts and Costco hot dogs or lunch. 00:55:29.527 --> 00:55:29.948 It's 00:55:29.948 --> 00:55:30.790 Angus Hilsley: the dream. 00:55:30.790 --> 00:55:32.052 It's so good. 00:55:32.052 --> 00:55:33.736 Not good for the 00:55:33.736 --> 00:55:34.157 Travis Bader: waistline. 00:55:34.157 --> 00:55:34.999 No, no. 00:55:34.999 --> 00:55:40.750 Um, So yeah, Steve jobs, he, I forget who he was talking with, uh, but there 00:55:40.750 --> 00:55:44.540 is an interview, I think it was in Forbes and they're just talking about how you 00:55:44.540 --> 00:55:49.120 can take a highly productive, highly motivated individual and you put them 00:55:49.120 --> 00:55:54.649 into a team environment of underachievers and how quickly that person can. 00:55:54.890 --> 00:55:57.250 It just becomes an underachiever with the rest of them. 00:55:57.290 --> 00:56:01.230 And likewise, you take this underachiever, put them into a 00:56:01.230 --> 00:56:04.209 highly productive environment, how quickly they turn that around. 00:56:04.209 --> 00:56:07.990 And all of a sudden they might not be ace number one star, but, 00:56:08.030 --> 00:56:08.480 Angus Hilsley: but they're, 00:56:08.600 --> 00:56:09.890 Travis Bader: but they're higher than what they started. 00:56:09.940 --> 00:56:10.560 Exactly. 00:56:10.579 --> 00:56:10.849 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:12.540 And it's like, that's the influence of a team. 00:56:12.619 --> 00:56:14.549 Like if you've got huge, yeah. 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.160 If you've got a team that's down in the dumps all the time, morale's 00:56:17.180 --> 00:56:20.820 low guarantee that there's, they're not going to change their ways. 00:56:20.829 --> 00:56:22.410 It takes somebody very, very. 00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:27.480 Powerful or inspiring or just an all around good leader to change that. 00:56:28.970 --> 00:56:34.550 There's a good example that um, Jocko Willink uses when he was a SEAL 00:56:34.550 --> 00:56:39.985 instructor and they had these They do the boat races and there was, I think 00:56:39.985 --> 00:56:41.715 it was boat two was always winning. 00:56:41.735 --> 00:56:46.185 They had a, uh, a platoon commander who was just an astounding leader. 00:56:46.205 --> 00:56:46.785 So good. 00:56:46.915 --> 00:56:48.135 Always front of the pack. 00:56:48.535 --> 00:56:50.865 Always the first ones to win every event. 00:56:50.865 --> 00:56:51.845 It's just unbelievable. 00:56:51.865 --> 00:56:53.905 And then they had, I think it was boat six or whatever. 00:56:54.014 --> 00:56:54.834 Always last. 00:56:55.024 --> 00:56:55.935 Morale was low. 00:56:56.325 --> 00:56:57.961 Just never won anything. 00:56:57.961 --> 00:56:59.615 And then they swapped leaders. 00:57:00.815 --> 00:57:02.765 And I think it was boat six won the next one. 00:57:03.425 --> 00:57:03.925 Really? 00:57:04.895 --> 00:57:09.595 So it just shows you, like, even though a team's I think the most 00:57:09.595 --> 00:57:13.225 important about having a bond, if you've got the right leader, they 00:57:13.225 --> 00:57:14.765 can make the, all the difference. 00:57:15.255 --> 00:57:17.895 Travis Bader: And there's a psychological component to that as well. 00:57:17.915 --> 00:57:20.445 The individuals will say, well, we got the top leader on our team. 00:57:20.755 --> 00:57:21.645 We're going to do better. 00:57:21.685 --> 00:57:23.254 It's like the Nike effect. 00:57:23.255 --> 00:57:25.155 If you're wearing Nikes, you're going to jump higher. 00:57:25.165 --> 00:57:26.675 You're going to run faster, right? 00:57:26.715 --> 00:57:27.305 Angus Hilsley: Exactly. 00:57:27.305 --> 00:57:31.585 Like it's sometimes it's all just a kind of placebo effect, but at 00:57:31.595 --> 00:57:36.434 the end of the day, it's like those guys that were coming last, their 00:57:36.434 --> 00:57:38.245 fitness didn't change in the space of. 00:57:38.825 --> 00:57:43.895 Like 20 minutes, I mean, they were already capable of winning that they 00:57:43.895 --> 00:57:45.045 just needed the right leadership. 00:57:45.715 --> 00:57:49.135 So it just shows when, when you've got the right person for the job and 00:57:49.135 --> 00:57:52.815 they're, they can always change a team regardless of their, their output. 00:57:53.455 --> 00:57:55.675 Travis Bader: Now, one thing I've always kind of wondered about, cause you talk 00:57:55.684 --> 00:58:00.435 about like bonding, morale, it's like in the military working with the troops 00:58:00.435 --> 00:58:04.555 and the respect you have for, let's say a section commander who's looking after 00:58:05.180 --> 00:58:07.160 You before looking after themselves. 00:58:07.160 --> 00:58:10.000 Cause of course they're going to get in crap of their immaculate, their 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.089 kits immaculate, their weapons in order and nobody else's is right. 00:58:13.090 --> 00:58:14.410 Because that's, that's a poor leader. 00:58:14.710 --> 00:58:15.250 Oh, it works. 00:58:15.670 --> 00:58:18.660 Um, but there's going to be a close sort of bond between the 00:58:18.660 --> 00:58:20.010 section commander, their section. 00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:20.440 Yeah. 00:58:20.950 --> 00:58:24.100 Platoon commander is going to have less of a bond company commander is going to 00:58:24.120 --> 00:58:26.050 have less of a bond with that section. 00:58:26.160 --> 00:58:26.320 Right. 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:27.410 Battalion commander. 00:58:27.580 --> 00:58:32.820 And the further up the food chain, it goes, there's a more detached, uh, role. 00:58:32.829 --> 00:58:37.510 It's like, just like, that's why you have Uh, an officer's mess and you got the 00:58:37.510 --> 00:58:42.190 general ranks mess and they, they kind of, kind of keep the different ranks apart. 00:58:42.370 --> 00:58:42.550 Yeah. 00:58:43.210 --> 00:58:48.930 Um, that can be difficult in the workplace to the, what, to an individual 00:58:48.930 --> 00:58:53.150 who, let's say he was in the section commander position and he's being 00:58:53.150 --> 00:58:57.210 promoted up, but he's still in that same, or she is still in that same 00:58:57.210 --> 00:58:58.330 workplace in the same environment. 00:58:58.370 --> 00:59:00.700 They don't have a separate mess that they're going into. 00:59:00.700 --> 00:59:03.360 They don't have a separate group structure that they're dealing with. 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:03.500 Yeah. 00:59:04.110 --> 00:59:09.870 Um, is that something you've ever seen or dealt, had to deal with, with people or 00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:12.250 like, how, how are those interpersonal. 00:59:12.895 --> 00:59:17.585 Uh, relationships going to change as they progress as a leader. 00:59:17.945 --> 00:59:23.215 Angus Hilsley: Um, I think it's all about staying humble. 00:59:24.145 --> 00:59:28.195 I think it's with a lot of people, power goes to their head. 00:59:28.965 --> 00:59:33.275 So when they start promoting up, they're like, oh yeah, I'm a sergeant now. 00:59:33.305 --> 00:59:35.215 I'm not going to speak to a corporal or I'm not going to 00:59:35.215 --> 00:59:35.995 speak to a lance corporal. 00:59:36.095 --> 00:59:38.275 There's no way to speak to a private outside of work. 00:59:38.275 --> 00:59:41.865 I think power for some people is. 00:59:43.165 --> 00:59:46.955 It has a very negative effect on them as a leader, and I think 00:59:49.445 --> 00:59:52.835 I would say majority of people actually kinda sometimes let it go of their head. 00:59:52.925 --> 00:59:53.105 Mm-Hmm. 00:59:53.360 --> 01:00:01.375 . But you need to have that outlook that if, if your privates aren't working 01:00:01.375 --> 01:00:05.785 for you or don't respect respect you, you're not gonna get the desired 01:00:05.785 --> 01:00:06.740 effect of what you want to achieve. 01:00:06.770 --> 01:00:07.300 Like Mm-Hmm. 01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:10.615 , you need to have the same relationship even though you might 01:00:10.615 --> 01:00:13.885 not socialize with 'em as much, or you might not see them as much. 01:00:14.275 --> 01:00:15.205 You still need to. 01:00:15.915 --> 01:00:17.095 Know their first names. 01:00:17.255 --> 01:00:20.205 You still need to be able to walk up to them and have a conversation. 01:00:20.465 --> 01:00:25.895 You should know Roughly what's going on in their life, maybe not in depth 01:00:25.945 --> 01:00:30.225 But you still need to know how they're doing like if they've just had a baby. 01:00:30.405 --> 01:00:30.985 Do you know what I mean? 01:00:31.075 --> 01:00:32.935 Yeah, doesn't matter how far up you go. 01:00:32.975 --> 01:00:39.035 Like I've worked under some unbelievable leaders that are in charge of 100 plus 01:00:39.035 --> 01:00:41.705 men and they could tell you the first names of every single one of them. 01:00:41.875 --> 01:00:43.535 And they can probably tell you a little bit about them. 01:00:44.215 --> 01:00:46.215 So it's all about, it's all about how much you care. 01:00:46.855 --> 01:00:50.315 Like, and as long as you care and you care about your men, 01:00:50.315 --> 01:00:54.585 regardless of what position you're in, they'll always work for you. 01:00:55.245 --> 01:00:59.430 They'll always understand that you can never, you have the same relationship 01:00:59.430 --> 01:01:03.370 as when I was a Lance Corporal hanging out with all my privates. 01:01:04.290 --> 01:01:08.130 They know that I can't hang about them in that sense because I've 01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:12.080 got to uphold myself to certain standards and a kind of a position. 01:01:12.610 --> 01:01:16.870 But as long as I care about them and as long as I still interact 01:01:16.870 --> 01:01:21.470 with them with a level of respect, they're always going to respect me. 01:01:21.470 --> 01:01:25.550 I think once as long as I care about them, Letting things go to your head 01:01:25.560 --> 01:01:28.680 and you start not respecting people is very quick for you to lose that. 01:01:29.310 --> 01:01:29.500 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:01:29.500 --> 01:01:32.970 One thing I noticed, if someone's going to tell me that they're the boss, that 01:01:32.990 --> 01:01:34.970 they're the leader, they've already lost. 01:01:35.020 --> 01:01:36.060 Angus Hilsley: They've already, exactly. 01:01:36.060 --> 01:01:36.640 Straight away. 01:01:36.720 --> 01:01:41.110 Like sometimes the best and the highest leaders are the most humble people in 01:01:41.110 --> 01:01:42.440 the room that you would never expect. 01:01:42.620 --> 01:01:46.680 Travis Bader: I very often, I find that the, just salt of the earth. 01:01:46.680 --> 01:01:52.795 You'd never expect, it was like, I flew into, um, Uh, Terrace and 01:01:52.825 --> 01:01:55.185 was at a friend's, uh, lodge area. 01:01:55.185 --> 01:01:57.335 He's got Skeena Spade fly fishing lodge. 01:01:57.345 --> 01:02:00.765 And, and, uh, we're talking back and forth. 01:02:00.775 --> 01:02:04.525 He's like, you know, actually the owner of Patagonia is in town. 01:02:04.535 --> 01:02:07.715 He's doing, he's doing a talk with a local store because they have 01:02:07.715 --> 01:02:09.135 some world class fishing over there. 01:02:09.135 --> 01:02:13.195 I'm like, oh yeah, owner of Patagonia, they're talking all about this guy. 01:02:13.195 --> 01:02:14.715 And then they start describing him. 01:02:14.715 --> 01:02:15.765 I'm like, wait a minute. 01:02:16.420 --> 01:02:18.780 This guy was on the flight that I flew in with just flying 01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:20.500 business class, going in, right. 01:02:20.790 --> 01:02:23.710 Wearing old Patagonia clothing, old stuff. 01:02:23.710 --> 01:02:24.140 That's all good. 01:02:24.530 --> 01:02:26.380 Like you would never even notice it. 01:02:26.380 --> 01:02:26.800 Right. 01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:28.640 It's just, just regular dude. 01:02:28.640 --> 01:02:28.890 Right. 01:02:28.890 --> 01:02:29.970 And sure. 01:02:30.030 --> 01:02:31.910 Multi multi multi millionaire. 01:02:31.910 --> 01:02:32.180 Right. 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:33.370 Angus Hilsley: Just shows you that doesn't that. 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:33.910 Right. 01:02:34.140 --> 01:02:37.740 And it's, I've guaranteed he's probably one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. 01:02:37.810 --> 01:02:38.400 Travis Bader: I'm sure. 01:02:38.700 --> 01:02:40.100 I wish I had a chance to talk to them. 01:02:40.100 --> 01:02:41.040 I even knew who he was. 01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:41.730 I just thought odd. 01:02:41.905 --> 01:02:44.925 Cause I'm always profiling, I get on the plane and especially when you're 01:02:44.975 --> 01:02:47.685 going over, it's like, okay, so that one, this person is an angler. 01:02:47.685 --> 01:02:49.785 They're going to be, Oh, this person is going to be working out. 01:02:51.175 --> 01:02:53.325 Angus Hilsley: But, uh, checking out your surroundings always. 01:02:53.335 --> 01:02:53.855 Of course. 01:02:53.865 --> 01:02:54.975 Yeah, definitely. 01:02:55.145 --> 01:02:56.975 No, honestly, I couldn't agree more. 01:02:56.985 --> 01:03:01.485 I think if we, if we want to talk a little bit more about role models that 01:03:01.485 --> 01:03:06.795 I had, one of my dad's best friends was, um, they were very close together. 01:03:06.795 --> 01:03:08.345 He was a big part of my life growing up. 01:03:08.405 --> 01:03:09.895 Still is a big part of my life just now. 01:03:10.325 --> 01:03:15.030 And, uh, And he left, I live in a very rural place in Scotland, left 01:03:15.030 --> 01:03:17.820 there, went to business school in London and progressed through it. 01:03:18.270 --> 01:03:21.380 Now he's the president of one of the biggest companies in 01:03:21.730 --> 01:03:23.740 Hong Kong, like huge, huge. 01:03:24.040 --> 01:03:27.130 And this guy is still wearing the same jeans he wore 20 years ago. 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.039 Like, if you looked at him, you would think that they had no money. 01:03:30.340 --> 01:03:35.100 I don't, and that's probably another guy that I like to kind of use as a role 01:03:35.100 --> 01:03:39.700 model is just the most humble, pleasant down to earth guy you would, you would 01:03:39.700 --> 01:03:43.320 ever meet and he would, he would buy a drink for anybody in the bar, you 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.000 know, he's just one of those types of guys just, and he would sit down and 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.290 speak to them, but he's actually just 01:03:49.670 --> 01:03:53.040 Travis Bader: huge guy, inspiring leader, doesn't have to show it, 01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:55.630 doesn't have to put it in your face and rub your face in it, 01:03:56.130 --> 01:04:00.750 Angus Hilsley: and it's, it does instantly make an assessment on some day based off, 01:04:04.315 --> 01:04:08.375 Travis Bader: So there's also, um, the wing I've been watching the wing, 01:04:08.935 --> 01:04:10.815 um, that, that looks interesting. 01:04:10.815 --> 01:04:12.645 Can you tell me about what the wing 01:04:12.655 --> 01:04:13.095 Angus Hilsley: is? 01:04:13.095 --> 01:04:13.425 Yeah. 01:04:13.425 --> 01:04:18.185 So it's, uh, my new business endeavor, um, so I originated 01:04:18.185 --> 01:04:19.505 from one of my best friends. 01:04:19.505 --> 01:04:25.625 He unfortunately lost his five month old daughter, um, and lost her a little Iris. 01:04:26.415 --> 01:04:31.685 And, uh, when he was going through that grieving process, it had just, 01:04:31.835 --> 01:04:38.885 uh, overwhelming kind of amount of guys reaching out to him, just offering support 01:04:38.915 --> 01:04:44.555 and just being there for him to, to help him through that kind of rough time. 01:04:45.135 --> 01:04:51.615 And from that, you got this idea thinking, okay, men need more of a support network. 01:04:51.875 --> 01:04:56.945 Like we need something as a collective where men feel comfortable to 01:04:56.945 --> 01:05:00.185 speak to other men about similar situations that there have been in. 01:05:00.825 --> 01:05:05.250 And And from that he, he came up with this idea of the wing and he came to 01:05:05.250 --> 01:05:06.090 me and he's like, what do you think? 01:05:06.090 --> 01:05:08.750 And I was like, yeah, I think it sounds amazing to me personally 01:05:08.750 --> 01:05:11.210 or something that's very close to my heart is men's mental health. 01:05:11.770 --> 01:05:17.550 And I think that men should have as much, um, resources and they 01:05:17.550 --> 01:05:20.860 should have as much support as they could possibly have available to 01:05:20.970 --> 01:05:22.750 them in terms of mental health. 01:05:22.890 --> 01:05:26.860 And we've got a massive problem in today's society with suicide. 01:05:26.860 --> 01:05:29.720 And I think that once we talk this over. 01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:36.900 We, um, we came up with this kind of forum now that we've got, there's six, six 01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:40.740 guys in there that they're all qualified and, um, we've got a counselor, we've 01:05:40.740 --> 01:05:44.360 got a nutritionist, we've got a personal trainer, mental health and addiction 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:49.050 coach, I'm doing leadership, um, and then we've got one more on mindset. 01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:54.160 And um, These are all certified guys in loads of different areas, loads of 01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:59.330 experience, like over, I think we've got 90 years experience or something in the 01:05:59.340 --> 01:06:04.550 military alone, and then they've got all their other things, and then we've pretty 01:06:04.550 --> 01:06:11.530 much just created a community for men that provides them with all this support and 01:06:11.540 --> 01:06:19.615 help in one, you know, um, school network and it's literally a case of you sign up, 01:06:19.965 --> 01:06:26.195 comment, and you've got access to all this information on all those things that I've 01:06:26.195 --> 01:06:32.530 just, um, said to you and it's just a good way for men to be able to take control 01:06:32.530 --> 01:06:33.920 of their lives a little bit better. 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.410 So in terms of if they're feeling depressed, they could maybe 01:06:37.410 --> 01:06:39.700 start changing their nutrition, because we all know nutrition is 01:06:39.700 --> 01:06:41.320 a huge part about how we feel. 01:06:41.870 --> 01:06:44.020 Start changing your nutrition, maybe a little bit more awareness 01:06:44.020 --> 01:06:45.370 to your nutrition side of things. 01:06:46.505 --> 01:06:50.495 But not only that, it's also got an open forum in there where anybody can 01:06:50.495 --> 01:06:56.135 post, and it's made to be relatable for men to be able to find other 01:06:56.135 --> 01:06:59.205 men in the same situations as them. 01:06:59.665 --> 01:07:05.115 So, let's say for instance, you've got an addiction problem, I had an addiction 01:07:05.115 --> 01:07:09.065 problem, I've been in the wing for six months, I've went through all the 01:07:09.085 --> 01:07:14.585 videos and the kind of training that's in there, I'm now doing really well. 01:07:14.595 --> 01:07:15.675 I've came out the other side of it. 01:07:15.675 --> 01:07:18.175 I'm now posting about all the progress that I'm making. 01:07:18.615 --> 01:07:21.375 It's for you to be able to come and read my posts and be like, okay, 01:07:21.375 --> 01:07:24.565 that's exactly where I am just now, but I know that this is achievable 01:07:25.135 --> 01:07:28.425 and you can reach out to myself and you can say, okay, how was this? 01:07:28.425 --> 01:07:29.615 How did, how did you do this? 01:07:29.615 --> 01:07:30.225 Blah, blah, blah. 01:07:30.845 --> 01:07:33.695 And you can kind of just create some really good relationships 01:07:33.695 --> 01:07:34.955 with like minded people. 01:07:36.065 --> 01:07:41.290 And at the end of the day, We all know that it's hard for men to actually 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:47.150 reach out and to say that they've got a problem and I think when you go to 01:07:47.150 --> 01:07:53.860 a counsellor or you go to let's say an addiction coach or anything, you're kind 01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:58.120 of admitting that you've got a problem but with this it's just a nice relaxed 01:07:58.130 --> 01:08:02.100 open forum where you come in you've got six areas that you can improve your 01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:09.255 life with and it's just a very easy Nice network that I think will really, 01:08:09.295 --> 01:08:11.195 really be beneficial for a lot of guys. 01:08:11.405 --> 01:08:15.235 Travis Bader: You know, I, I find some interesting things in there. 01:08:15.615 --> 01:08:20.650 So I've, uh, We're going back, Neil Smith, um, did a podcast with him, 01:08:21.210 --> 01:08:25.320 uh, he and Bear Grylls are the co founders of a, uh, an app called 01:08:25.330 --> 01:08:27.780 metal and it's men's mental fitness. 01:08:27.780 --> 01:08:30.610 They call it, and they've got different things and they trying 01:08:30.610 --> 01:08:35.160 to gamify and amplify it and have peoples where they can, uh, check 01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:36.210 into these different things. 01:08:36.210 --> 01:08:40.270 And he's saying that the number one killer of men in the UK between, I 01:08:40.270 --> 01:08:43.774 forget what the age span, I think it was like 25 and, you know, I think 01:08:43.775 --> 01:08:47.045 45, or maybe it was a larger gap. 01:08:47.125 --> 01:08:49.635 Number one killer is men killing themselves. 01:08:49.635 --> 01:08:51.785 And he says, I think he says, don't quote me on it. 01:08:51.785 --> 01:08:53.835 I think those stats apply throughout the world. 01:08:53.945 --> 01:08:54.485 Yeah, definitely. 01:08:54.585 --> 01:08:54.995 For sure. 01:08:55.045 --> 01:08:55.205 Angus Hilsley: Yeah. 01:08:55.205 --> 01:08:56.145 I was looking at Canada. 01:08:56.145 --> 01:08:57.155 Canada is pretty much the same. 01:08:57.285 --> 01:08:57.575 Travis Bader: Is it? 01:08:57.615 --> 01:08:58.745 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, it's, it's crazy. 01:08:58.885 --> 01:09:02.595 Travis Bader: So there's an issue there and people are identifying that 01:09:02.595 --> 01:09:08.295 there's a problem and people have generally treated, um, you know, Men's 01:09:08.345 --> 01:09:11.025 mental health in the same way that they treat women's mental health. 01:09:11.155 --> 01:09:11.425 Okay. 01:09:11.425 --> 01:09:12.095 Let's sit down. 01:09:12.105 --> 01:09:13.015 Let's talk about it. 01:09:13.025 --> 01:09:16.885 Let's like you say, admitting that you have a problem, men don't 01:09:16.885 --> 01:09:18.065 want to admit they have a problem. 01:09:18.115 --> 01:09:19.015 I got it sorted out. 01:09:19.015 --> 01:09:20.045 I'm supposed to be strong. 01:09:20.375 --> 01:09:20.915 Angus Hilsley: Exactly. 01:09:20.915 --> 01:09:21.165 Yeah. 01:09:21.165 --> 01:09:23.805 And that's, that, that's what we're trying to kind of like 01:09:23.875 --> 01:09:27.415 disarm is the fact that men aren't admitting they've got a problem. 01:09:27.455 --> 01:09:30.555 It's just that they want to do better than what they currently are. 01:09:31.325 --> 01:09:32.735 So it's not a case of. 01:09:32.950 --> 01:09:35.710 Me admitting I've got an addiction problem, it's just, okay, I know that 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:39.510 I'm not doing well, I would like to improve my life, I'm going to join 01:09:39.510 --> 01:09:43.900 this, start improving these areas of my life, and then, when they look 01:09:43.910 --> 01:09:46.630 back on it, they'll be like, okay, yeah, I did have an addiction problem 01:09:46.660 --> 01:09:47.940 that I've now managed to solve. 01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:51.650 Travis Bader: One of the things that really struck me about what you're 01:09:51.650 --> 01:09:57.985 talking about here, as, as a huge positive, Is, um, that sense of 01:09:57.995 --> 01:09:59.635 community talking with other people. 01:09:59.635 --> 01:10:03.555 I mean, uh, bill W did it with his 12 step program, right? 01:10:03.565 --> 01:10:07.405 With, he got your, after your 12 steps and he'd find someone else and you're in 01:10:07.405 --> 01:10:13.895 with, but the, I believe it was the same podcast with, uh, with Neil, I did there. 01:10:13.895 --> 01:10:16.925 And he's talking about, you know, you got that one person in your life that 01:10:16.925 --> 01:10:20.845 you can talk to, or you can confide in, or as a man be able to turn 01:10:20.855 --> 01:10:24.605 around and, uh, you know, Talk about these things that are vulnerable. 01:10:24.755 --> 01:10:24.995 Yeah. 01:10:25.355 --> 01:10:31.685 And the number of people who private messaged me personally, uh, or posted 01:10:31.705 --> 01:10:37.135 on social media or through YouTube or different places or emailed our office 01:10:37.135 --> 01:10:39.035 and said, that was a really cool episode. 01:10:39.085 --> 01:10:41.115 Um, I don't have anybody. 01:10:41.315 --> 01:10:44.705 It'd be cool if I had somebody, I don't have any, the number of people that 01:10:44.705 --> 01:10:46.885 have come up and said, I have nobody. 01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:48.340 Angus Hilsley: It was, it 01:10:48.530 --> 01:10:50.120 Travis Bader: was, yeah. 01:10:50.120 --> 01:10:54.070 And I, and honestly, as I look at it, cause I'd follow up with these people 01:10:54.330 --> 01:10:59.190 and the thing that I found over and over again, it wasn't that they had nobody. 01:10:59.230 --> 01:11:01.320 It wasn't that they didn't have anybody. 01:11:02.120 --> 01:11:05.700 It was that they didn't feel they could reach out and talk about these things 01:11:05.740 --> 01:11:10.370 because I'm can almost guarantee you those other people in their life would 01:11:10.370 --> 01:11:12.010 turn around and say the exact same thing. 01:11:12.020 --> 01:11:14.620 I don't have anybody who I can say these things to. 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:18.960 Angus Hilsley: And it's, yeah, it's crazy just how, how little 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:20.200 support they think they have. 01:11:20.425 --> 01:11:20.765 Right. 01:11:20.795 --> 01:11:25.355 When, when they do have support, but it's just how they approach that support. 01:11:25.415 --> 01:11:25.805 Travis Bader: Right. 01:11:25.865 --> 01:11:29.615 And, and even if you don't think you have the support within your, in your, 01:11:30.145 --> 01:11:36.685 your circle, uh, David Ward, some people who follow, uh, Myself or other 01:11:36.685 --> 01:11:40.955 people within the same social media circles, uh, will know David Ward. 01:11:40.965 --> 01:11:43.725 I think his, uh, Instagram handle is bushwookie. 01:11:44.095 --> 01:11:44.275 Yeah. 01:11:44.365 --> 01:11:46.005 Um, XPP CLI. 01:11:46.775 --> 01:11:50.345 And I was talking with a friend of mine on Christmas, uh, sub 01:11:50.345 --> 01:11:52.185 Lavois and said, how you doing? 01:11:52.185 --> 01:11:52.525 Not good. 01:11:52.525 --> 01:11:54.215 He says, what's going on? 01:11:54.325 --> 01:11:57.795 Oh, one of the guys starts going through telling me about David 01:11:57.795 --> 01:11:59.565 here, tried to take his own life. 01:11:59.645 --> 01:11:59.855 Right. 01:12:00.535 --> 01:12:07.190 Um, Ended up, uh, not succeeding and, uh, he's got some life changing, uh, 01:12:07.210 --> 01:12:13.430 repercussions from this, but an individual who was under the influence of alcohol 01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:19.080 at the time, during a dark time of the year, both literally and figuratively 01:12:19.080 --> 01:12:24.240 for a lot of people, uh, feeling like he didn't have support or others in his life 01:12:24.240 --> 01:12:28.715 he could reach out to, uh, And the massive amount of people that have rallied around 01:12:28.715 --> 01:12:34.445 him and continue to touch base with him and the people's lives he has touched in 01:12:34.445 --> 01:12:40.465 a positive way, despite that negative, um, dark moment in his life has been able 01:12:40.465 --> 01:12:41.665 to turn into something very positive. 01:12:41.665 --> 01:12:44.525 So even if people don't think they have it directly in front of them, there's 01:12:44.535 --> 01:12:48.935 others out there, maybe something like the wing is a perfect place to. 01:12:49.255 --> 01:12:49.715 For sure. 01:12:49.805 --> 01:12:49.925 I 01:12:49.925 --> 01:12:53.995 Angus Hilsley: think that's a perfect example of, of, of what's 01:12:53.995 --> 01:12:55.445 going on out there in the world. 01:12:55.910 --> 01:12:59.400 And at the end of the day, I don't think that we can have enough 01:12:59.400 --> 01:13:00.820 support for it, you know what I mean? 01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:04.250 I think as long as we keep approaching this in different ways and providing 01:13:04.250 --> 01:13:10.310 loads of different kind of, um, areas for men to kind of try to improve themselves 01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:14.390 mentally or physically or whatever it may be, spiritually, like as long as we've, 01:13:14.875 --> 01:13:19.245 We're trying to develop as many ways as possible to try and solve this problem. 01:13:19.595 --> 01:13:22.885 I think we'll, we'll make, make a big difference. 01:13:23.135 --> 01:13:25.095 Travis Bader: And I think the other part is being able to surround 01:13:25.095 --> 01:13:28.365 yourself with other people who have like, uh, aspirations. 01:13:28.545 --> 01:13:28.745 Yeah. 01:13:29.095 --> 01:13:31.685 I mean, if you're sitting in the pub and you're like, I'm going to 01:13:31.695 --> 01:13:35.165 be physically fit, I'm going to be mentally, I want to work on my 01:13:35.175 --> 01:13:36.865 spiritual side, whatever it might be. 01:13:36.865 --> 01:13:39.665 And all your mates are looking at you like, Who is this guy? 01:13:39.725 --> 01:13:40.025 Right? 01:13:40.085 --> 01:13:40.265 Oh, 01:13:40.295 --> 01:13:40.765 Angus Hilsley: for sure. 01:13:40.775 --> 01:13:44.305 Like if you're hanging around people that don't want to have any 01:13:44.305 --> 01:13:47.445 ambition in their life and they're quite happy doing things that are 01:13:48.275 --> 01:13:50.215 having a detrimental effect on you. 01:13:51.375 --> 01:13:52.535 You'll never change your life. 01:13:52.625 --> 01:13:55.135 Travis Bader: And oftentimes you don't know that detrimental effect that's 01:13:55.135 --> 01:13:56.535 happening when you're in the thick of it. 01:13:56.545 --> 01:13:58.205 Angus Hilsley: No, you need to get outside of that. 01:13:58.205 --> 01:14:00.855 And you need to be around people that are doing the things that 01:14:00.865 --> 01:14:03.875 you want to do for you to realize, okay, right, wait a minute here. 01:14:04.465 --> 01:14:06.075 There's the, I need to make a change. 01:14:06.295 --> 01:14:06.645 Yeah. 01:14:06.715 --> 01:14:08.575 And that's not saying that you need to start cutting out 01:14:08.575 --> 01:14:09.535 your friends in your life. 01:14:09.595 --> 01:14:10.435 Sometimes you do. 01:14:10.475 --> 01:14:11.775 Maybe you got to pull the weeds. 01:14:11.795 --> 01:14:17.385 Sometimes you need to, but sometimes you just need to prioritize how much 01:14:17.385 --> 01:14:18.725 time you spend with certain people. 01:14:19.395 --> 01:14:24.705 For instance, I'll have people in my life that don't have any ambition or 01:14:24.735 --> 01:14:29.755 any desire to do anything better for themselves, still love them as a person, 01:14:29.765 --> 01:14:30.855 still love hanging out with them. 01:14:31.655 --> 01:14:35.795 But if I'm wanting to actually grow and improve myself, they're not the 01:14:35.985 --> 01:14:37.285 types of people I'd hang around with. 01:14:37.525 --> 01:14:37.885 Travis Bader: Totally. 01:14:37.915 --> 01:14:39.395 Angus Hilsley: I've got my group of friends that I'd hang 01:14:39.395 --> 01:14:40.055 around with that are hustlers. 01:14:41.015 --> 01:14:41.455 Yeah. 01:14:41.635 --> 01:14:42.785 They're always after it. 01:14:42.935 --> 01:14:43.135 Yeah. 01:14:43.165 --> 01:14:46.585 And it's, yeah, it's honestly, I'm very excited for it. 01:14:46.635 --> 01:14:46.905 Will. 01:14:46.905 --> 01:14:47.115 B. 01:14:47.115 --> 01:14:47.495 M. 01:14:48.170 --> 01:14:49.910 We'll be going live on the 13th of May. 01:14:50.500 --> 01:14:52.680 Right now we're just having a waiting list. 01:14:52.690 --> 01:14:56.900 So it's, if anybody is interested, it's just the wing on Instagram, 01:14:56.940 --> 01:14:59.630 just underscore the wing and you can follow the wing. 01:14:59.630 --> 01:15:02.190 And when we do go live, people can come and have a look at it. 01:15:02.190 --> 01:15:06.000 But right now we're just building building all our content. 01:15:06.090 --> 01:15:09.130 So it's going to be a case of once you join it, jump in, you're going to have 01:15:10.420 --> 01:15:14.240 um, three videos from each person that you can work through and then there's going 01:15:14.240 --> 01:15:17.890 to be little bits of homework, there's going to be recommended books that we 01:15:17.890 --> 01:15:21.880 recommend you read, um, there's going to be fitness challenges, there's going to be 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.589 loads of different things in there, loads and loads and it's, yeah, very exciting. 01:15:27.230 --> 01:15:30.240 Travis Bader: Um, and what about for, um, stoic leadership? 01:15:30.790 --> 01:15:34.370 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, stoic leadership is going well right now. 01:15:34.400 --> 01:15:39.310 I'm still moving through my proof of concept for my business. 01:15:39.330 --> 01:15:44.820 Um, so predominantly I'm targeting my, um, business towards corporate. 01:15:45.110 --> 01:15:49.790 Um, and I want to be trying to focus on taking all my experiences from a military 01:15:49.790 --> 01:15:56.015 side of things and converting it into kind of relatable and usable tool in the 01:15:56.015 --> 01:16:01.365 corporate world because I've been through quite a lot of leadership courses outside 01:16:01.365 --> 01:16:09.135 of the army and with businesses and these, but these leadership courses are good at 01:16:09.635 --> 01:16:14.885 allowing you to improve certain outside skills to make you a better person. 01:16:14.885 --> 01:16:18.905 So let's see if that's body language reading or communication 01:16:18.925 --> 01:16:22.025 or all these types of things that refine you as a person. 01:16:22.395 --> 01:16:23.095 I think that. 01:16:24.300 --> 01:16:28.860 these courses are very good at, it doesn't give you a step by step plan of how to 01:16:28.860 --> 01:16:30.950 be a better leader in the thick of it. 01:16:32.030 --> 01:16:32.820 Do you know what I mean? 01:16:32.820 --> 01:16:38.830 In terms of if you're walking into a new job or a new environment or a 01:16:38.830 --> 01:16:43.510 stressful environment, you need to have a layout in your head of how 01:16:43.650 --> 01:16:45.720 you are going to be a good leader. 01:16:46.010 --> 01:16:50.115 And yes, like all these things, Improving all these things are going to make 01:16:50.115 --> 01:16:54.725 you a better person, but sometimes you just need to be able to think back. 01:16:54.955 --> 01:16:58.505 Okay, on that course I learned, I need to do this, this, this and this. 01:16:58.585 --> 01:17:02.165 And going through that process will allow you to make your 01:17:02.185 --> 01:17:04.044 team the way you want it to be. 01:17:04.285 --> 01:17:06.295 Travis Bader: If there's one thing the military is good for, it's 01:17:06.295 --> 01:17:07.795 been able to systemize things 01:17:08.255 --> 01:17:08.815 Angus Hilsley: massively, 01:17:08.865 --> 01:17:13.875 Travis Bader: get a lot of top level information into a very simple format. 01:17:13.875 --> 01:17:15.045 Angus Hilsley: Simplicity is key. 01:17:15.085 --> 01:17:17.355 That's one of the, one of the main things that I talk about 01:17:17.355 --> 01:17:20.755 as well as stoic leadership academy, it's simplicity is key. 01:17:20.765 --> 01:17:26.815 Like if you start taking things just completely until the realms, you 01:17:26.815 --> 01:17:28.505 just need to keep it simple and just. 01:17:29.340 --> 01:17:33.290 Just go through a step by step process and don't get me wrong You can bolster 01:17:33.290 --> 01:17:37.780 loads of different things onto this step by step process to improve it But you 01:17:37.780 --> 01:17:43.130 need to just have a format that you can use as a leader because some people that 01:17:43.130 --> 01:17:48.030 I've seen just get Putting management positions just because they've been 01:17:48.280 --> 01:17:50.400 at the company for five years, right? 01:17:50.460 --> 01:17:53.825 They've done absolutely zero Training as a leader, 01:17:53.905 --> 01:17:54.285 Travis Bader: but it's 01:17:54.285 --> 01:17:56.055 Angus Hilsley: just because they've been at the company for five years. 01:17:56.065 --> 01:17:56.415 Okay. 01:17:56.415 --> 01:17:56.665 Right. 01:17:56.665 --> 01:17:57.745 You're ready for management. 01:17:57.955 --> 01:17:58.315 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:17:58.385 --> 01:17:59.985 Angus Hilsley: And it's like, well, have you ever done any management? 01:18:00.025 --> 01:18:00.315 No. 01:18:00.655 --> 01:18:01.945 Do you know anything about leadership? 01:18:01.975 --> 01:18:02.305 No. 01:18:02.725 --> 01:18:03.575 Very often. 01:18:03.575 --> 01:18:05.235 That's the case a lot. 01:18:05.305 --> 01:18:07.125 And that's what I'm trying to target. 01:18:07.125 --> 01:18:10.685 So Now with my business, that's who I'm working with. 01:18:10.685 --> 01:18:14.525 I'm working with a few companies in Vancouver just now, um, on 01:18:14.615 --> 01:18:15.955 how they're going to change that. 01:18:16.095 --> 01:18:21.085 So it's going to be a case of the, they'll go through my curriculum 01:18:21.085 --> 01:18:22.595 and they'll go through my training. 01:18:22.595 --> 01:18:26.265 And once I've done that, then it'll be a year thing where they'll come 01:18:26.275 --> 01:18:29.575 and do just a little refresher, not as in depth as what I first did, 01:18:29.655 --> 01:18:33.385 but a little refresher to see where they're at and how they've put it into 01:18:33.385 --> 01:18:34.885 practice and how they can change it. 01:18:35.315 --> 01:18:38.165 And then eventually I'm going to be moving into actual leadership days. 01:18:38.185 --> 01:18:41.895 So I'm going to, once I've got it completely established, it's going to be 01:18:41.895 --> 01:18:46.635 a case of businesses are going to send their teams to me or their leaders to me. 01:18:47.125 --> 01:18:50.455 And then we're going to go through different, um, experiences, different 01:18:50.665 --> 01:18:52.445 environments, different scenarios. 01:18:52.775 --> 01:18:54.905 And they're going to put everything that I've taught them in the 01:18:54.905 --> 01:18:56.565 theoretical side into practice. 01:18:56.645 --> 01:18:58.005 Travis Bader: That sounds amazing. 01:18:58.015 --> 01:18:59.084 That sounds like a lot of fun. 01:18:59.235 --> 01:19:01.095 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, that's, that's the, the main goal. 01:19:01.095 --> 01:19:06.165 So if we're just, now, I'm just delivering the theory side of Stoic Leadership 01:19:06.165 --> 01:19:09.645 Academy to, to these businesses and we're gonna move on to the online, 01:19:10.005 --> 01:19:11.775 online side of things pretty soon. 01:19:11.865 --> 01:19:15.595 Uh, right now it's just physical, but that's the end goal is working 01:19:15.595 --> 01:19:17.605 actually in person with these leaders. 01:19:17.605 --> 01:19:19.610 After they've learned the theoretical side, they're gonna come. 01:19:20.115 --> 01:19:20.825 Come to us. 01:19:21.585 --> 01:19:23.935 We're going to take them through all these different scenarios, and then 01:19:23.935 --> 01:19:26.595 we're just going to observe them and then we're going to give them kind 01:19:26.595 --> 01:19:29.595 of an after action review on how they did, and then we're going to start 01:19:29.655 --> 01:19:33.205 coaching them on how they can improve the skills that they've already learned, 01:19:33.235 --> 01:19:34.895 but just start making it better. 01:19:35.055 --> 01:19:35.975 I'm looking forward to seeing 01:19:35.975 --> 01:19:36.195 Travis Bader: that. 01:19:36.225 --> 01:19:37.095 Angus Hilsley: Yeah, it should be really good. 01:19:37.095 --> 01:19:37.615 It's exciting. 01:19:37.735 --> 01:19:39.095 Travis Bader: Is there anything else we should talk about 01:19:39.095 --> 01:19:40.065 that we haven't talked about? 01:19:40.515 --> 01:19:43.325 Angus Hilsley: Um, I think we've got it all covered to be honest. 01:19:43.325 --> 01:19:43.475 Yeah. 01:19:43.475 --> 01:19:46.835 In terms of a little bit about me, a little bit about leadership. 01:19:47.380 --> 01:19:48.980 Stoic Leadership Academy in the wing. 01:19:49.540 --> 01:19:53.420 That's pretty much all that's taken up my, taking up my time just now. 01:19:53.420 --> 01:19:55.870 I'm also training for a triathlon that I've got as well. 01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:56.830 I saw that. 01:19:57.030 --> 01:19:57.590 I saw that. 01:19:58.210 --> 01:19:58.520 Yeah. 01:19:58.520 --> 01:19:59.880 I'm a first ever triathlon. 01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:01.740 That's a, it's exactly a month today. 01:20:01.750 --> 01:20:02.210 It's happening. 01:20:02.210 --> 01:20:06.119 So never mountain bike before my life, my swimming is abysmal. 01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:10.864 So it's going to be, it's going to be a kind of fun experience, but we're doing 01:20:10.864 --> 01:20:13.097 it for charity, so it's a good cause. 01:20:13.097 --> 01:20:13.655 That'll be 01:20:13.655 --> 01:20:13.934 Travis Bader: good. 01:20:13.934 --> 01:20:14.213 Yeah. 01:20:14.213 --> 01:20:17.004 Angus, so much for being on the Suffolk World Podcast. 01:20:17.005 --> 01:20:17.535 You're welcome. 01:20:17.535 --> 01:20:17.975 Anytime. 01:20:18.115 --> 01:20:19.075 Angus Hilsley: No, thank you very much. 01:20:19.095 --> 01:20:20.095 It's been, it's been great fun. 01:20:20.135 --> 01:20:20.535 Thank you.