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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Everybody, Welcome to the Bible guys. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you tuning in and giving us a shot, another shot,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully another shot. Yeah, maybe there's the second shot. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean to take a shot at them?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't want them taking a shot at us.

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<v Speaker 3>Just give us another shot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just didn't realize how many implications that phrase

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<v Speaker 1>has take a shot, give us a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Different implications, time different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's or a big shot.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a fan of one, or I've been not a

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<v Speaker 3>fan of the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Hey, welcome to the Bible guys. And we are

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a series called god Well, talking

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<v Speaker 1>about God's promises in different contexts, written by different authors

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<v Speaker 1>in different centuries actually, and all within the same book

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah one, it's all about him being faithful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure it is. And we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be in tewod Timothy chapter two today. Yeah, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we do, we have a different segment for today.

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<v Speaker 3>This one's for you, Chris and all of our fans

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<v Speaker 3>to play along at home and try to beat you.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh so we're gonna see if Chris can guess the

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<v Speaker 3>keyword while I give you clues without using the forbidden words.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So so it's a race against me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like taboo.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're racing against me. And hopefully if you're watching

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<v Speaker 1>a video, we'll put all the words, the italicized words

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<v Speaker 1>on screen that you're not allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, correct, okay, yes? Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? How many words are there?

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<v Speaker 3>Five words? Okay? Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me? Do they have a theme? Ummm no, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm always getting nervous about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife has an obsession about this morning fluid. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not allowed to say morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>Answer, he's coffee, that's right. But I wasn't allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>say morning. I wasn't gonna say caffeine, drink, mug or addicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and normally you don't blow it, but you blow.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I blew that one this teah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever see the people on family Feud? This

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<v Speaker 1>this team who's like ready to steal? They always go

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<v Speaker 1>like this with their hands they must tell them to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. That's right, it's so goofy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's another one. Uh, I don't feel like doing

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<v Speaker 3>it today, but I might do it the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>Procrastinate almost what's the whole word procrastination? There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't about to say later, delay, avoid tomorrow, or task,

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<v Speaker 3>so I said the next day, okay. Uh, let me see.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a person who worries because they're putting too

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<v Speaker 3>much into it worry work. No, no, no, they're putting

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<v Speaker 3>too much into it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're putting too much into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The word would uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's all one word.

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<v Speaker 1>Investor what what?

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<v Speaker 3>But instead of above, you would say it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't think you're allowed to do that like

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<v Speaker 1>above a below.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't do like rhymes okay, antonyms or like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I could sounds like okay rhymes with so.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're you're extremely worried about something because you're putting

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<v Speaker 2>too much mental work on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Too much mental work anxiety.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're a oh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh okay. Were you about to say overthinking?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeh, I blew it overthink yeah, because you saw Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>You now to my verb. Yes, okay, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>creations Okay you said, oh and I was like over thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>So here you go. Are you ready for this? Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>while I'm sorry for the fourth one, for the I'm

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<v Speaker 3>blown it, I've blown it on.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, this is not this is not real.

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<v Speaker 3>This is yes. Okay, are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So people, yes, who are obsessed with social media,

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<v Speaker 3>always walking around taking selfies, the worst people in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>They their their job title is influencer. There you go,

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<v Speaker 3>very good. I wasn't allowed to say followers, Instagram, promote

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<v Speaker 3>brand or sponsored. Oh wow, okay, so influencer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. By the way, I don't think all influencers are

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<v Speaker 1>the worst people in the world, but that's not who

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<v Speaker 1>you were describing at first. That's right, And some influencers

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<v Speaker 1>are good. Some actually I would say maybe most are bad.

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<v Speaker 3>When when here's the fifth one, this's the fifth one. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you can be sending a message and it winds

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<v Speaker 3>up sending a cuss word instead to the word you typed.

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<v Speaker 1>What Sometimes you can be saying a computer oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>mean like a autocorrect autocorrect. Okay, okay, yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>You got that. So so we got three. Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't about to say type o, but I said typed.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two different words.

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<v Speaker 1>They are.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two with two totally different meanings. They're not

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<v Speaker 3>even related phone, fixed, wrong or text. I wasn't say

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<v Speaker 3>those words are pretty close cousins. Type, typed and typo

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<v Speaker 3>or two different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are different things, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, they're different actions.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if you are allowed to say a

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<v Speaker 1>form of the word or not, though there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not a form. Typo was not a form of typed.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you allowed to say procrastinate?

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<v Speaker 3>If the words procussion a form a form of a

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<v Speaker 3>form of No, no, no, you're talking about different meanings. Typed,

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<v Speaker 3>types typing are all forms of type. But type o

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<v Speaker 3>is an incorrect thing. It's different. Yeah, it's so different,

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<v Speaker 3>very very very different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most different ever, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The most differentest. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to make a

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<v Speaker 3>ruling on that one. That's unanimous. That's accepted, Okay, otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>we will three out of them. You blew it? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you both blew two? And then if you're gonna ding

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<v Speaker 3>me for typo, because I said.

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<v Speaker 1>Typed No, no, no, I'm not gonna ding you. You've

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<v Speaker 1>already been dinged. You've been dinged.

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<v Speaker 3>Typo is a noun, typed is a verb.

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<v Speaker 1>What about type type? Oh? That that's that's a verb too, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's two type yes, okay, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, man, that was great. It was really No

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<v Speaker 3>one else is really great.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's transition.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do. I'll do a sub I'll do a substantial tradition.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jeff, I feel like when you were doing that game,

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<v Speaker 1>you were discipling me. Really yeah, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you were big brothering me. The whole time

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<v Speaker 1>you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Leading those bringing you along, you were bringing me along us,

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<v Speaker 3>bringing you to the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what that reminded me? What the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between Paul and Timothy. Yeah, and even though i'm your elder.

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<v Speaker 3>By significantly, you're significantly older than.

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<v Speaker 1>Me when it comes to this game.

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<v Speaker 3>I think our viewers at least can tell. Yeah, they say, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, who's the guy with the white hair, who's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy with the black hair? But they always actually nobody

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<v Speaker 1>nobody says that, but they say, and your hair is

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<v Speaker 1>not even white Beard. It's big time, big time white

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I was going to say, uh, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your elder when it comes to this game, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>you were my mentor mentor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what's happening is Paul wrote a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of letters to Timothy while he was in prison, and

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<v Speaker 3>Timothy was his young protege, and he's kind of mentoring Timothy,

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<v Speaker 3>and Timothy is about to step into primary elder leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>He's sending him off to crete and different places to

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<v Speaker 3>establish churches and to establish elders and leaders of churches,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he's given them guidance even though he's a

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<v Speaker 3>young man. And so in two Timothy, Chapter two, he says, Timothy,

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<v Speaker 3>my dear son, be strong through the grace that God

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<v Speaker 3>gives you. In Christ Jesus, you've heard me teach things

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<v Speaker 3>that have been confirmed by many reliable witnesses. Now teach

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<v Speaker 3>these truths to other trustworthy people who will be able

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<v Speaker 3>to pass them on to others. Endure suffering along with

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<v Speaker 3>me as a good soldier, Christ Jesus. Soldiers don't get

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<v Speaker 3>tied up in the affairs of civilian life, for then

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<v Speaker 3>they cannot please the officer who enlisted them, and athletes

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<v Speaker 3>cannot win the prize unless they follow the rules, and

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<v Speaker 3>hard working farmers should be the first to enjoy the

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<v Speaker 3>fruits of their labor. Think about what I'm saying. The

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<v Speaker 3>Lord will help you understand all these things. I always

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<v Speaker 3>remember that Jesus Christ, the descended the King David, was

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<v Speaker 3>raised from the dead. This is the good news I preach.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I preach this good news, I'm suffering and have

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<v Speaker 3>been chained like a criminal. But the Word of God

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<v Speaker 3>cannot be chained. So I'm willing to endure anything if

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<v Speaker 3>it'll bring salvation eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those

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<v Speaker 3>God has chosen. It's a trustworthy saying. If we die

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<v Speaker 3>with him, we will also live with him. If we

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<v Speaker 3>endure hardship, we will reign with him. If we deny him,

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<v Speaker 3>he will deny us. If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful,

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<v Speaker 3>for he cannot deny who he is. Remind everyone about

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<v Speaker 3>these things and command them in God's presence to stop

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<v Speaker 3>fighting over words. Such arguments are useless and they can

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<v Speaker 3>ruin those who hear them. Well, there you go, there

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<v Speaker 3>you go. He goes on and says, work hard, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he keeps going.

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<v Speaker 1>He does, he does so being a good soldier of

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ. That's the heading on chapter two for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And he starts off by saying, Timothy my dear son,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love that, isn't it so endearing? So again,

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<v Speaker 1>you've already explained that he's a mentor to Timothy. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's not necessarily related to Timothy, or he's

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<v Speaker 1>not related to Timothy, but he's but your firs name

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<v Speaker 1>as my dear son, be strong through the grace that

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<v Speaker 1>God gives you in Christ Jesus. You've heard me teach

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<v Speaker 1>things that have been confirmed by many reliable witnesses. Now

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<v Speaker 1>teach these truths to other trustworthy people who also be

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<v Speaker 1>able to pass them on to others. Now, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't know this. In fact, I would venture

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<v Speaker 1>to say maybe even I don't know, eighty percent, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>possibly of everybody who listens to the Bible guys regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>they always hear us talk about the Timothy initiative. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or Tti we say that, And a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 1>not always, but a lot of time when you're not

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<v Speaker 1>here and we have the platinum edition or just the

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<v Speaker 1>average edition with Kyle, he said he was the average ed. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Worth his name was Chad, Right, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so that's the average edition or the Platine edition.

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<v Speaker 1>With weight, that's right. But oftentimes when we're experiencing that

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<v Speaker 1>To two, which is the what we just read.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. He said, you've heard me teach these things, so

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<v Speaker 3>now you teach them to trustworthy people who will pass

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<v Speaker 3>them on to others. So Paul's saying, Timothy, I taught you.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul was looking past Timothy to Timothy's disciple, hoping and

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<v Speaker 3>others also. So I Paul taught you Timothy, who taught

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<v Speaker 3>and everywhere around the world in two thousand years is

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<v Speaker 3>because disciple making goes beyond just making a disciple. You

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<v Speaker 3>That's exponential. Most churches, if they're growing at all, are

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<v Speaker 3>growing by addition. Even here's church. So the church you

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<v Speaker 3>and I pastor this last year we grew by. We

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<v Speaker 3>grew by about eleven hundred people, give or take. As

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<v Speaker 3>eleven hundred fifty people. That's amazing. God's blessed us. We baptized.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to have baptized eight hundred people. We have

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<v Speaker 1>We have eighty people sign up right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we will baptize eight hundred and something people

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<v Speaker 3>this year. That is an amazing work of God. That's

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're borderline revival kind of stuff happening at

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<v Speaker 3>aer Tois Church. But that's not multiplication, that's addition, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because we already had thousands, right, right, right, So we

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<v Speaker 3>have thousands and then we add one thousand more, that's addition, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But the way Paul was, if we did Paul's math, one,

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<v Speaker 3>it leads to two, leads to four.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, if everyone leads to four, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, then that would mean next year we would have

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<v Speaker 3>ten thousand people. The year after that, we'd have twenty

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<v Speaker 3>That would mean next year we would baptize sixteen hundred people,

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<v Speaker 3>and the year after that we baptie thirty two hundred people.

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<v Speaker 3>After that we baptize sixty four hundred people. That is

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<v Speaker 3>exponential growth. And that's when you start leaning into that

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<v Speaker 3>third and fourth generation believers, not just addition, but multiply.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the model and that's why the gospel has

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<v Speaker 3>spread so far, so fast. It's almost unbelievable how fast

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<v Speaker 3>the gospel spread in that first hundred years with no cars,

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<v Speaker 3>no planes, no radio, no television, no electricity, no motors,

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<v Speaker 3>no internet, no phones. Right, it's unbelievable how fast it

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<v Speaker 3>spread in that first hundred years. And it's this way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because of this. It was exponential growth.

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<v Speaker 1>As you were doing that list, my mind went to

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<v Speaker 1>no phones, no lights, no motor cars, not a single

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<v Speaker 1>luxury like Robinson Crusoe, as primitive as can be.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got the Gilligans Island going on in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>Join us here each week, my friends, you're sure to

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that wasn't exactly what I was thinking. But no, that.

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<v Speaker 1>You were going through all the.

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<v Speaker 3>All the things that didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And the gospel spreads so fast. And this is what

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<v Speaker 3>this is the reason why is because the metric, the

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<v Speaker 3>matrix that Paul was using was a multiplication matrix. And

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<v Speaker 3>most of us, most pastors were thinking addition. Always we're

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<v Speaker 3>thinking a percentage edition. If we could just add ten percent,

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<v Speaker 3>if we could just add fifteen percent, if we could

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<v Speaker 3>just add five percent, right that that that's that's usually

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<v Speaker 3>what we're doing. And we're happy with that because corporate

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<v Speaker 3>America is happy with a two three percent, four percent return.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we've kind of gotten this corporate mindset rather

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<v Speaker 3>than this holy spirit and tend to cost kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know all that, but like, there are plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of churches that really don't experience growth. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of churches that you know, sometimes go into the red.

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<v Speaker 3>Only ten percent of all churches grow by ten percent

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<v Speaker 3>or more in any given year. That these ninety percent

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<v Speaker 3>of churches don't grow by double digits, Well, isn't that amazing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it's amazing considering and I say this with

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<v Speaker 1>the obviously we both do with a grand amount of humility.

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<v Speaker 1>But last year's growth was thirty five percent, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the year before. I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's one of those things that that's why I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I think heritage is on the verge of if we're

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<v Speaker 3>not rate in our revival revivals always precede awakenings. Revivals,

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<v Speaker 3>are you know, God says, if my people who are

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<v Speaker 3>seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then

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<v Speaker 3>while I hear from heaven, I will forgive their sins,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will heal their land. So what our desire

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<v Speaker 3>as Christians is, we want God to heal our land.

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<v Speaker 3>We want we want God to just sweep through our

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<v Speaker 3>nation and the millions of people who are far from Him,

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<v Speaker 3>we want them to meet Jesus. And there are these

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<v Speaker 3>great awakenings that have happened in history, even in American history.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been three great awakenings in American history, at least two,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe three. There seems to be revival that sweep through

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<v Speaker 3>the American culture about every fifty years. We're sitting right

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<v Speaker 3>on the verge of one of those time slots right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is about it. So God's people come back, and

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<v Speaker 3>what was dried up in their faith and what was

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<v Speaker 3>starting to be kind of old news suddenly has this fresh,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's because we come to the point where we

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<v Speaker 3>begin collectively seeking God's face. We're coming back to him,

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<v Speaker 3>and then what happens is He breaks people's hearts for

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<v Speaker 3>the lost, and then there's an awakening that begins to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>where the God's spirit begins to spread. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing awakening among our young people in our nation today.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have to have a plan as church leaders,

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<v Speaker 3>not for audition. When we're sitting on the verge of

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<v Speaker 3>a revival and awakening is beginning among us, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to have a multiplication strategy. And that is I believe

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<v Speaker 3>genuinely that we are. One of the things we do

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<v Speaker 3>with the Timothy Initiatives is we'd lay out a strategy,

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<v Speaker 3>a matrix where we share the Gospel regularly. I'm sharing

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<v Speaker 3>my story in God's story. I have an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>lead you to Jesus. Finally, you know, you share the

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<v Speaker 3>Gospel fifteen times, You're gonna lead somebody to Jesus. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just telling you, if you would learn how to share

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<v Speaker 3>the Romans Road, the Three Circles, the Great Divide, the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC's of Salvation, any model of sharing your faith. If

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<v Speaker 3>John John three sixteen, if you would share the Gospel

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen times, you will lead somebody to Jesus. That seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be true in every nation in the world. It

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<v Speaker 1>Culture is why do you say fifteen? Is that an

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? O, yes, yeah. On average in the West it's ten.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the whole world, you share the Gospel fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>times and offer to lead them to Jesus. Offer, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>would you confess your sins and avite Jesus, come your Savior.

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<v Speaker 3>Get to that point fifteen times after you share the Gospel,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna lead somebody Jesus. So I lead you to Jesus,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say. And then from there I start kind of

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<v Speaker 3>downloading with you the fundamentals of the faith, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of walking in the spirit, the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>learning how to share your faith. What is God's story?

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<v Speaker 3>What's my story? You know, your testimony, because there's two

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<v Speaker 3>bullets that take the devil out in the book Revelation.

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<v Speaker 3>their testimony. Right, those are the two things that take

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<v Speaker 3>out the devil. So we need those two things, God's

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<v Speaker 3>story and my story. And then beginning to learn about

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<v Speaker 3>what it means to function in the church and to

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<v Speaker 3>I'm bringing you along on this one on one. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not just a generic sit in church. But then it's

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<v Speaker 3>also obedience based discipleship. Do these things, Paul said, I

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<v Speaker 3>others and they're doing them and they're taught. These faithful

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge based discipleship. And then I'm modeling it for you.

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<v Speaker 3>And Paul says, you saw me do it, now you're

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<v Speaker 3>see you do it. So we're using the matrix I

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<v Speaker 3>do you watch and then maybe it's sharing the gospel

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<v Speaker 3>or something, and then I do you help? Now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>recruiting you into it, and quickly, not years days of

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<v Speaker 3>That's the hardest thing for leaders is to let their

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<v Speaker 3>followers begin doing and we stand back and watch. It's

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<v Speaker 3>And then finally I step back and not do it

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<v Speaker 3>all you do. I watch, and by that point I'm

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<v Speaker 3>able to spin you off. This is why Paul was

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<v Speaker 3>go make new new elders in the church. He's a

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<v Speaker 3>to the third and fourth generation and have spiritual authority

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<v Speaker 3>we've lost that model. We've lost this idea, and we've

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<v Speaker 3>talk right right, not making disciple makers. Instead, it's we've

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the four sides of the square that you

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<v Speaker 1>So most people go from side one to side four,

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<v Speaker 1>where they say, I do you watch? Okay, now you

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<v Speaker 1>do I watch. But to actually teach somebody to bring

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<v Speaker 1>them along to disciple them is side two and three,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, hey, I'll still take the lead, but

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<v Speaker 1>still here to help you. Right before you get to

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<v Speaker 3>seen that practically and something really exciting that's happening here

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<v Speaker 3>to church. So last winter, my wife and I hosted

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<v Speaker 3>a small group in our home and it was all

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<v Speaker 3>young adults, really sharp young adults, and I was teaching,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were teaching through Tewod Timothy as a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of fact, and I was I from the get go,

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<v Speaker 3>I decided I wanted them to begin taking the lead.

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<v Speaker 3>They came for me to lead, but I wanted them

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<v Speaker 3>to begin leading. And so the first two weeks I

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<v Speaker 3>explained how a discovery Bible study works and that what

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna do is we're gonna look back at what

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<v Speaker 3>were the promises we made to God last week? And

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<v Speaker 3>what are the things we're praying about. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>look up what's God's saying to us today. We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to ask these basic questions. What is the Bible say

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<v Speaker 3>about God? Was to say about people? What was to say?

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<v Speaker 3>You know all these things? And then the end, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to look forward. What is God ask me to

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<v Speaker 3>do this next week? Is result We're gonna make a commitment.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did that two weeks in a row. There

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<v Speaker 3>were two young guys that are pretty sharp guys, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I said to them. I said to one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, hey, this week, when I get to the

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<v Speaker 3>look back part, I'm going to bring it up, but

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to take an initiative and you be

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<v Speaker 3>the first one to speak on it. He's like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, because I want to get the whole group going,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want you're kind of a leader. I see

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<v Speaker 3>this in you. I see God doing this in you,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you speak up first and just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>remind us. He's okay. And then I went to the

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<v Speaker 3>other guy and I say, hey, listen, this week, when

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<v Speaker 3>I get to the looking up part, we start asking.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to ask, what is this passage teach

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<v Speaker 3>us about God? What's this passage teach about people? I

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<v Speaker 3>want you to be speaking up on that one, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>cause you're kind of leaders, is what I see in you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, okay, i'll do it so then and then

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<v Speaker 3>i'll finish up with the last. So we did that

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks. Then I said, hey, here's what I really want.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're doing such a good job leading. Why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you lead the look back part and I'll I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be the first to speak up. And then I went

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<v Speaker 3>to the other guy, why don't you lead the look

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<v Speaker 3>up part? And I'll be the first one to speak up.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay. They were a little nervous, but they were

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<v Speaker 3>more confident because what they did two weeks before. So

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<v Speaker 3>they do that. Then we come down to the seventh

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<v Speaker 3>and eighth week and I couldn't be there. I was

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<v Speaker 3>out of town, and so I went to them and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I need you guys to lead this for me, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were ready. Well, then now they're both leading four

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<v Speaker 3>or five groups. They have twenty twenty five guys in

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<v Speaker 3>each of their groups. They were talking about how to

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<v Speaker 3>share their faith. One of the guys goes, well, what

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<v Speaker 3>we have to do is start practicing looking for opportunities

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<v Speaker 3>to share the three circles. He said, that's the way

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<v Speaker 3>I'm learning how to share the gospel, and we need

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<v Speaker 3>to look for Well, then DoorDash guy shows up and

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<v Speaker 3>the guys go share the three circles with him, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was like it was nervous. He's like he was

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<v Speaker 3>looking for every reason not to share it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're watching. So he steps up, shares the gospel with

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, leads his guy to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy has come to Heritage Church ten times. He's

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<v Speaker 3>in a small group. He's on fire. I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna baptize him this weekend, super excited for Jesus. Next thing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, all those young men that were in this

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<v Speaker 3>guy's group and now want to learn how to be

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<v Speaker 3>a disciple because they saw him run the play and

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<v Speaker 3>they saw it work, and now they're on fire. And

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<v Speaker 3>so we've got like twenty five forty guys that are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be in this next round of training on

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<v Speaker 3>how to be a disciple maker because they saw him

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So in one year, yeah, one year, I taught

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<v Speaker 3>two guys. Those two guys are leading almost sixty guys

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<v Speaker 3>that are on fire to become disciple makers. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>it works. You know. The best first multiplication, The best.

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<v Speaker 1>Part is if we were running a Bible study on

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<v Speaker 1>Segwi Timothy two, we barely got past the first couple

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<v Speaker 1>of verses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and yet we didn't even get to the

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<v Speaker 3>problems are highlighted.

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<v Speaker 1>Verse was if we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for

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<v Speaker 1>he cannot deny who he is. So you know, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely our time. But the fact that Paul says,

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<v Speaker 1>even when we are unfaithful, God remains faithful, all that

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<v Speaker 1>really means is his faithfulness is not connected to our faithfulness, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, God doesn't wink at our sin.

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't want us to disobey. God obviously invites us

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<v Speaker 1>and commands us to obey. But all that to say,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how unfaithful we may be or may not be,

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<v Speaker 1>none of that is going to influence the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>God is always faithful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he will never turn his back on us even

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<v Speaker 3>if we stumble.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's always for us, and he's going to keep supporting

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<v Speaker 3>us as long as we're in this mission. All this

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<v Speaker 3>is connected is connected to disciple making.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you stumble with this a little bit, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and he says, for he cannot deny who he.

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<v Speaker 3>Is, it's the essence of who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, he cannot deny who he is. He cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be something he's not. Yeah, you know, which is just

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<v Speaker 1>really great.

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<v Speaker 3>So hey, so go share the Gospel. He's with you,

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<v Speaker 3>he can't help but be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, that's great. Okay, well, hey, that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>our time, so thanks for tuning in. We'll see you tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys,