WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.200 Hey, everybody, we're the Bibble guys. And if you're just 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.320 tuning in recently, just know that we are showing a 3 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:07.120 little bit of reruns for a few months and then 4 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:09.839 we'll be back bigger and better than ever on August 5 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.519 thirty first, because behind the scenes we're taking a hiatus 6 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:14.720 to do some very important things. 7 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.399 Yeah, we're building building out a new studio and we've 8 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:21.399 got some new structure. Super excited about it. So August 9 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:24.359 thirty first, brand new content. But in the meantime, enjoy 10 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:25.600 some of our greatest hits. 11 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:27.600 Hey, Chris, I've got a song for you, man I 12 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:29.359 love if you know it, maybe just sing along with me. 13 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:33.359 It goes like this, Father Abraham sons. 14 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:38.759 Many sons had Father Abraham. I'm one of them, and 15 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:41.719 so are you, and so are you. So let's just 16 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.240 praise the Lord. Right, that's right, good enough. 17 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:46.759 Hey, By the way, if you grew up in church, 18 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.719 everybody knows that's right right. But if you didn't grow 19 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.399 up in church, just know that today we're talking about 20 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.960 Abraham's faith and how he is justified. 21 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:57.600 That's we're in Roman chapter four today today. 22 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.880 Because Jeff is in India, he's Kyle, I'm Chris, and 23 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:15.319 today we are the Bible guys. Well, Kyle, yes, sir, 24 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:17.840 today we have a segment that has been handed to 25 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.840 us that I have not read a single syllable of it. 26 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:22.519 Yes, but it is the dad jokes. 27 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:24.760 Yes, And honestly I lovedad jokes because I'm a dad 28 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:26.239 and I got two daughters, and I used to think 29 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:26.920 I was a cool dad. 30 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.480 And I'm getting older and trying to realize I'm not 31 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:29.439 a cool dad. By the way. 32 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.159 I was in church a couple of days ago, obviously 33 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.439 with you, and you know, a lot of times the 34 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:37.959 people who attend our church that listen to the Bible guys, 35 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.000 and you know, out of all the segments that we do, 36 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.959 I usually get feedback on segments, you know, and I 37 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.040 hardly ever hear my dad jokes. And some guy who 38 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.760 passed me just on Sunday and he goes, hey, I 39 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.000 said what, and he goes, I love dead jokes and 40 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.040 I said really, and he goes, They're so great. 41 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.319 I thought, wow, So you know who you are. 42 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.439 So this segment is for you. It's great. 43 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:02.239 All right, here's our first one. All right, you ready 44 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:06.280 for this for sure? Okay, first dad joke, do trees poop. 45 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.080 Oh my word, the answer is this. 46 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.199 Of course they do. That's how we get number two pencils. 47 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:16.159 Oh my goodness. That was actually really good. I liked it. 48 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.719 Right now, I'm gonna just kind of scroll down and see. Okay, 49 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.240 here we go. Here's the next one. 50 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.520 Today I started an argument with my wife while I 51 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:26.879 was riding in an elevator. 52 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.280 I was wrong on so many levels. 53 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:31.080 That's good. 54 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.479 That's actually really good. That's good. 55 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:36.240 Actually, way to go, man, that's actually that's great. 56 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.719 She's wrong on so many levels. I have to use 57 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:39.319 that one for my wife. 58 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:41.120 That's good, all right. Third one, here we go. 59 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.439 What do you call a snake that's exactly three point 60 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.520 one four meters long? 61 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:50.039 Oh meters? I don't know. I was gonna try to guess, 62 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.199 but I can't guess. Okay, I'm gonna repeat this. 63 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.520 What do you call a snake that's exactly three point 64 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:59.439 one four meters long? It's a pie thon? Oh pie 65 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.039 three point one for Yeah, du that's a bad math joke, dude. Well, 66 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:07.120 if I would have just remembered that, yeah, it's so random. 67 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.560 It's really random. Okay, here's here's the third one, or 68 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:10.240 another fourth one. 69 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:10.680 Here we go. 70 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.560 Ready, Today I found out that Dwayne Johnson lives in 71 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:15.840 the apartment above mine. 72 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.360 I can't believe that. For years I've been living under 73 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:22.719 a rock. Oh jeez, dang, that wasn't as good. But hey, 74 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.319 we're these pretty punny. We're like it. We're good. All right, 75 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:25.680 here you go. 76 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.560 Fifth one ye fun fact, sugar is the only word 77 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:33.800 in the English language where sue means sound. At least, 78 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:40.000 I'm pretty sure that's correct. 79 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:43.680 I don't know if I get it because she's wrong, 80 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:48.360 because she's saying sure, oh, okay, okay, okay, oh yeah, sure, 81 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.360 that's really fun good all right, so uh this is 82 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.800 the last one, apparently ready, all right. My first computer 83 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.000 dates back to Adam and Eve. It was an Apple 84 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:04.400 with limited just one bite and then everything crash. 85 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.400 Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's good. 86 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:08.360 You're not used to hearing computer computer humor. 87 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:13.360 Yeah, and then it crashed and then it crashed. 88 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:14.879 I'd just say it all crash or it crashed. 89 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.079 That's pretty good. It says everything crashed. I like that. 90 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:17.639 That's a good one. 91 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.279 Good Apple joke, Apple computers trendy. Hey, Actually, one thing 92 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:23.279 I would love for people to do. Anybody who's watching this, 93 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.600 maybe who hasn't started following us on Facebook. Just a 94 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.360 few weeks ago, I know we were over a thousand 95 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:29.759 Facebook followers on the page. 96 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:30.360 Is really cool. 97 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.199 Cool, but also one of the things you may not 98 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:34.399 know about. Maybe you're listening to this podcast or you're 99 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.519 watching us, but one of the things we do on 100 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.279 our Facebook page is we give a bunch of daily encouragement. 101 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.920 We'll share other Bible verses, we may share highlight from 102 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.720 the messages, a lot of those different ways to stay connected. 103 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.560 So make sure if you can, if you have not already, 104 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:51.040 go ahead and like follow our page and maybe even 105 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:52.319 share it because I know we have a lot of 106 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.160 people out there. There's one hundred people that listen every 107 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.839 single day. They have hundreds, if not thousands people following them. 108 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:58.759 It'd be cool if we got some more followers since 109 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.000 people paying attention to the Bible guy. 110 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.959 So yeah, hopefully it's beneficial. That's right. 111 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.519 Well, listen, let me set the context before please Kyle 112 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.040 reads it, and that is again Paul's writing to the 113 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.360 Church of Rome that he's never been to, and he's 114 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.560 just really giving his resume, introducing himself. 115 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.480 But he's also laying out the theology. And so what 116 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:16.360 he's about to do. 117 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.879 Is he just finished up in chapter three talking about 118 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.879 Jesus Christ paying for our sins. 119 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.199 He's a substitution. And today he's going to basically link 120 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:24.560 all the. 121 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.839 Way back to Father Abrahraham, right, And it's because most 122 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.839 of the people in the church are of Jewish descent. 123 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:34.240 And they all love Abraham. 124 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.399 And we all know that the promise was given to Abraham, 125 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.319 and we all connect ourselves to him. 126 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:40.600 In fact, most. 127 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:43.120 World religions that even are different than ours, they all 128 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.360 recognize Abraham. Abraham is the common denominator and in a 129 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:47.480 lot of world religions. 130 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.560 But anyway, so that's what he's about to do. 131 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:51.959 He's about to basically talk about, Hey, this Abraham that 132 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.519 you revere so much, there's a truth about him, and 133 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:55.439 then we're going to lay it out. 134 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:56.480 It's good. 135 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.439 So chapter four verse starting in verse one, says us 136 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.279 Abraham was humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. 137 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.199 What did he discover about being made right with God? 138 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.079 If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, 139 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:11.879 he would have had something to boast about. 140 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:13.639 But that was not God's way. 141 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.639 For the Scripture tells us Abraham believed God, and God 142 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.079 counted him as righteous because of his faith. When people work, 143 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.120 their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. 144 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.759 But people are counted as righteous not because of their work, 145 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.240 but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. 146 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.680 David also spoke of this when he described the happiness 147 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.120 of those who had declared righteous without working for it. Oh, 148 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.519 what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins 149 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.399 are put out of sight? Yes, what joy for those 150 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:45.399 whose record the Lord has cleared of sin. Now is 151 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.040 this blessing only for the Jews or is it also 152 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:52.160 for uncircumcised gentiles. Well, we have been saying that Abraham 153 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.600 was counted as righteous by God because of his faith, 154 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.519 But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous 155 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:02.120 only after he was circumcised circumcised or was it before? Clearly, 156 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.959 God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised. Circumcision was a 157 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.879 sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had 158 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.800 already accepted him, and it declared him to be righteous 159 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.319 even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is a spiritual 160 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.959 father father Abraham of those who have faith, but have 161 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:20.120 not been circumcised. 162 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.480 They are counted as. 163 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.480 Righteous because of their faith, and Abraham is also the 164 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.360 spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only 165 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.600 if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had 166 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.759 before he was circumcised. Clearly, God's promise is to give 167 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.959 the whole earth to Abraham. I'm just laughing about Jesus 168 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.680 least man. It's a lot here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Abraham 169 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.920 and his descendants who based not on his obedience to 170 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.319 God's law, but on a right relationship with God that 171 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.279 comes by faith. If God's promise is only for those 172 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.000 who obey the law, then faith is not necessary and 173 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.079 the promise is pointless, for the law always brings punishment 174 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.480 on those who try to disobey it, and then it 175 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:56.480 says the only way to avoid breaking the law is 176 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.120 to have no law to break. So the promise is 177 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.279 received by faith. It is given as a free gift, 178 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.279 and we are all certain to receive it whether or 179 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.519 not we live according to the Law of Moses, if 180 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.079 we have faith like Abraham's. 181 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.720 For Abraham is the father of all who believe. 182 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.519 That is what the scripture means when God told him 183 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.279 I have made you the Father of many nations. This 184 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:19.839 happened because Abraham believed in the God who brings the 185 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:22.000 dead back to life and who creates new things out 186 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.600 of nothing. Even when there was no reason for hope, 187 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.319 Abraham kept hoping, believing that he would become the father 188 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.639 of many nations, for God had said to him, that's 189 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.559 how many descendants you will have. In Abraham's faith and 190 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.000 not weakened, even though at about one hundred years of 191 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.480 age he figured his body was as good as dead, 192 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:39.840 and so is Sarah's womb. 193 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.120 Wild one hundred years of. 194 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.600 Age, Abraham never wavered in believing God's promise. In fact, 195 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.919 his faith grew stronger, and in this he brought glory 196 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:50.279 to God. He was fully convinced that God is able 197 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.240 to do whatever he promises, and because of Abraham's faith, 198 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.240 God counted him as righteous. And when God counted him 199 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.519 as righteous, it wasn't just for Abraham's benefit, It courted 200 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.559 for our benefit, to assuring us that God will also 201 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.799 count us as righteous if you believe in him. The 202 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.200 one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He 203 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.720 was handed over to die because of our sins, and 204 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.080 he was raised a life to make us right with God. 205 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:15.559 Wow, there's a lot there, man. 206 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.440 Yeah, it is. That's good. So all of chapter four 207 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.600 he covers Abraham. 208 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.720 He never wavers, and so let's go back to the 209 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.879 very beginning. So he starts off by saying, you know, 210 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.080 he's the father of our Jewish nation, and he asks 211 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.879 the question right away, what did he discover. 212 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.600 About being made right with God? 213 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.200 Now, it's interesting if you think about that question. He's 214 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.840 introducing the Abraham's the idea of Abraham, and then he's 215 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.759 asking a foundational question to answer the question himself. 216 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.000 And what he's really trying to say is. 217 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.919 He's trying to prove that the Old Testament itself, the 218 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:52.320 Old Testament that the Jewish people love, supports what Jesus 219 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.960 has done with the law. Because people misunderstand. It's that 220 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.039 same thing we talked about yesterday's podcast. People think, oh, 221 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:01.279 you have to obey God and you have to obey 222 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.080 the law. You have to do good deeds in order 223 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.799 get to heaven. And Paul is saying, no, no, no, you 224 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.039 know you don't get to heaven by that. You're made 225 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:12.039 righteous through Christ. Christ took the pitnished punishment, everything else. 226 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.840 But then he says, hey, let's talk about Abraham. This 227 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:20.080 aligns your faith, your reverence of Abraham, if you really 228 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.679 think about it. He said, what did he discover by 229 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.759 beingre with God? Because Abraham was a man who got circumcised. 230 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.919 Abraham was a man who was very famous for obeying God. 231 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:34.399 God said, go, and Abraham went. God said, don't be 232 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.080 afraid to sacrifice your only son, which is a whole. 233 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.000 Other sermon altogether. 234 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:42.600 Right, Abraham obeyed, and the Book of Hebrews the Hall 235 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:46.879 of Faith talks about, you know, Abraham's actions right, and 236 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.159 how they proved his faith right. But yet he wasn't 237 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.559 made righteousness righteous by his actions. He was made righteous 238 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.679 before he was circumcised. So Abraham actually was called when 239 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.039 he was seventy five years old. Genna says, I don't know, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 240 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:03.759 somewhere around there. 241 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:04.320 It's crazy. 242 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.440 He was seventy five years old, right, Well they lived longer, right, yeah, 243 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.639 still then, but then he wasn't actually circumcised until he 244 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.840 was ninety nine, which is why the Bible actually says 245 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:14.679 about one hundred. 246 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:17.399 But he was ninety nine, So think about it. 247 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.799 That's twenty four years later, you know, So you can't 248 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:26.080 really necessarily look at the obedience of Abraham, because all 249 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.360 you have to do is look at the fact that 250 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.240 you know, again, it goes over and over, and it 251 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:30.200 says he. 252 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.279 Believed in God, and God counted. 253 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.039 It for him as righteousness because of his faith, because 254 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:35.759 of his belief. 255 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.679 Right. So that's sort of what Paul is establishing. 256 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.519 And I love that, by the way, because like you 257 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.919 mentioned yesterday, Paul is an expert in the law right. 258 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.200 So Paul's grew up as a pharisee. 259 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:50.519 Paul is uniquely qualified to having known the law so 260 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.759 well that he can just quote verses. 261 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:53.960 Which, by the way, he does well. 262 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.720 Abraham was probably a kid his like legend, right, I mean, like, yeah, Abraham. 263 00:11:58.279 --> 00:11:59.919 Was the guy that he would go to, you know, 264 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:00.840 his go to guy. 265 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:01.279 Yeah. 266 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.799 And I imagine that when Paul quoted right at the 267 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.679 beginning of verse seven, he quoted Psalm chapter thirty two, 268 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.360 verses one and two, I would imagine that, you know, 269 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.960 he probably didn't have a Bible next to him, right, 270 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:13.879 and he quoted that because. 271 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.120 He knows it. It was written on his heart. He 272 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.200 knows the law, right. That's really cool. 273 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:18.600 The one thing that stands out to me is like 274 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.399 I think it is mentioned in here, but the joy 275 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:23.679 of forgiveness, and I just love that that's saying the 276 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.960 joy of forgiveness that Paul is talking about, but also 277 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.960 he experienced, he experienced by the transformation that Jesus had 278 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.440 done in his life, and it's completely the opposite of 279 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:36.080 condemnation and guilt and shame. And you know, just reading 280 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:37.960 through this and just seeing the fact that we find 281 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.480 no condemnation in Jesus right, like he could have take 282 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:41.960 that upon he took that upon himself. 283 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:42.960 He could have given us. 284 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.440 We could have been guilty as we are right, but 285 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.559 instead he saw us as guilt free. He sees us 286 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.799 and puts the shame on himself and the guilt on himself. 287 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:53.879 But it makes me think, you know, this past week 288 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.159 or a few weeks ago, actually Chris here was speaking 289 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.360 at our church were part of Heritage, And it's interesting 290 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.399 because you talked a lot about this idea of people 291 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.480 feeling like, uh, you know, just to idea like they've 292 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.399 messed up, right, which is kind of this This concept 293 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.000 is a lot in Romans. Sure Where's God when I've 294 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.120 messed up? And they don't want to share for anybody 295 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.000 who doesn't go to Heritage's great message, go back and 296 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.759 check that out. But I ended finding out after there's 297 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:17.960 a lot of guys, which by the way, it's Heritage 298 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.519 Church dourch dot com. Yes, great message from January, check 299 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.159 it out with Chris here. But a lot of guys 300 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.120 actually really resonated with the service. And I think what 301 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.000 it was is you shared something personal that you had 302 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.399 gone through in your life, some overcoming, some obstacles, some 303 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.080 sin struggles, that sort of thing, and I think so 304 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.600 many men that a lot of men struggle with, right, 305 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.039 and so you know, it's really easy to live in 306 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:39.919 the shame, live in the guilt, live and the pain 307 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:40.559 from the past. 308 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.440 And then talking about aout pornography. 309 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.480 Yeah, and then the quote would close with the song 310 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.399 and the song is called come Out of Hiding, Yeah, 311 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.159 and it's by Stephanie Gretting or anyways, it just made 312 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.120 me think of this idea of like condemnation, we're stot 313 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.159 to come out of hiding, We're still come away and 314 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.279 just like walk in the light that that Jesus gives us. 315 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.080 And so reading over this I kind of was really 316 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:58.399 resonating you with that song that we shared at Heritage 317 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.519 a few weeks back, and that message you gave and 318 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:02.559 the fact that so many people they seemed to see 319 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:04.919 themselves through the lens of condemnation. They see this, seem 320 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.360 to see themselves through the lens of shame, and that's 321 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:08.799 not what God wants to see us. 322 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.039 As that's great in the uh. 323 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.600 And by the way, it's because you know, I feel 324 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.720 like I have to unpack that, at least for a sentence. 325 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.720 So when I first got married, I had decided to 326 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.600 come out of hiding and come clean with my wife 327 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.200 because I grew up with pornography in my home and 328 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.399 and it was basically an every day part. 329 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:28.799 Of my house. 330 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.639 So so it was so bad that actually every person 331 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:34.519 who came to visit my house would say, Hey, I'm 332 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:35.840 gonna use the restroom, and then they would go in 333 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.720 the restroom. They'd been there for like an hour, and 334 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.200 it's because they were just you know, looking through magazines 335 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.919 that were just unapologetically just stacked and you know, under 336 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.000 the sink, and it was just there for everybody, And 337 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.240 so everybody sort of knew that that was our household. 338 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:51.519 And I grew up with that, and so my wife 339 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.679 grew up in a household that is entirely different. She 340 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.080 grew up in a nice Christian household, you know, and 341 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:58.360 and and so you know. 342 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.279 She didn't want to contrast. Well, she was not exposed 343 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:01.519 to it. 344 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.279 In fact, she was just blown away even the thought that, 345 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.360 you know, when I said, oh, these magazines are under 346 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:06.720 the saying. 347 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:08.399 She's like, what are you talking about? Like how could 348 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.279 that even be a thing. 349 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.879 So anyway, what had happening was I can clean. I 350 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.799 just said I don't want to enter into ministry because 351 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.879 I was graduating from Baba College, you know, with this, 352 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.519 with this hanging over me as a secret. I want 353 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.000 you to know that I'm trying to overcome this and 354 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.720 I'm trying to you know, not be a person that's 355 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:25.240 like this. 356 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.320 And she didn't understand because back then. 357 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.159 She she didn't even know that men are attracted by 358 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.200 sight and women are primarily not you know which. 359 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.759 By the way, that's a thing. Yeah right, And she 360 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:37.480 didn't even know that. 361 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.399 And so it took us like an entire year, our 362 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.080 first year of marriage, we didn't even talk to each other. 363 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.200 So anyway, now we're thirty one years in the marriage. 364 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.320 Good job, and so yeah, it's really. 365 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.759 But I mean, I know pologies for bringing up that 366 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:51.759 can of words, but I really think that this idea 367 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.759 like for so many people, just like really was great. 368 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:56.840 And hearing so many people, especially get men just coming 369 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.279 out and saying wow, like I maybe have been living 370 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.279 with a shame and living under a rock. 371 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.120 As we talked about the dead jokes, you. 372 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.279 Know, of the shame, I say, comfort of them to 373 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.440 come forward and just see that they're the way God 374 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:08.679 sees them is just really cool. 375 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:11.360 Well, I think it's I think it's important to share 376 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:12.159 that on the podcast. 377 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.080 I think it's worth it because I think that there 378 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.600 are a lot of people who you know, obviously the 379 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.320 majority don't attend heritage who listen so to hear that, 380 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.320 to hear like, can a pastor admit that the answer 381 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:24.279 is yes? 382 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:26.759 You know why because of what Paul is saying here. 383 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.279 Yes, exactly, Paul is saying every one of us are sinners, 384 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.759 every one of us falls short. You know, Uh, did 385 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.759 you have something else? Because I was just going to 386 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:40.039 comment on this circumcision. You Paul talks a lot about circumcision, 387 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.200 and the reason why is because if you think about it, 388 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:45.639 you know, if you're wondering about that, you're reading it 389 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.600 and you're like, what is this, Why does Paul talk 390 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:48.519 about that so much? 391 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:51.360 Excuse me, Holy Christmas. 392 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.759 Well, for a lot of our listeners who are children, 393 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.399 you know, circumcision is a is an operation. We know 394 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.559 it as an operation that babies get when they're born, right, 395 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:01.919 and they do it just out of health reasons, and 396 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.400 it's and that's exactly what it is. It's an operation 397 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:08.880 for for males, for boys. And now think about it 398 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.000 this way. So if you're in the Old Testament, and 399 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.640 let's just say, you know, before Jesus walked the earth, 400 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:16.559 and you are a person who decided to convert to Judaism, 401 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.640