Do you have any examples of things that
are like so out there that you're like,
"There's no way we can put a jacuzzi in
the back of this thing."
I don't think you could.
You can.
Can you?
You can.
How would that work?
Because the water will slash
out if you got to do things.
Tell about the electric covers.
It does do though.
I totally want to get a
jet with a jacuzzi now.
Sure.
Welcome to Own the
Jet by Aspen Aero Group,
where we share perspectives from some of
the leading voices in
private jet ownership and
business aviation.
I'm your host, Derek Savage, along with
my co-host, Jason Spoor.
President of Aspen Aero Group.
Our guest today is Sarah Larinaga, an
interior and exterior
designer of private jets.
Sarah works with brands, celebrities, and
business leaders to transform their jets
into unique expressions
that are truly their own.
Join us as we dive deep into the
mechanics, mindset, and moments that
define jet ownership.
And together, we'll learn
what it takes to own the jet.
All right.
Great.
Welcome, Sarah Larinaga, to Own the Jet.
And Sarah, for the uninitiated, Sarah is
both an interior
designer and an engineer,
which is an interesting kind of
combination of things.
And you work on
customizing jets for people, right?
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure to be here.
Yeah, much appreciated.
Wow.
And you've done some big things.
Like recently, you
did a complete redesign.
So you're just going to come
right out of the gate with that?
Just right out of the gate?
Yeah.
Complete redesign.
I got to hype her up.
Right?
Good.
You did a--
No small talk.
No.
Right.
I'll just go.
Well, let me say this.
We'll get into the projects later.
But you have done complete custom
overhauls of jet aircraft
for brands, for celebrities,
for people that we
would recognize if we heard.
100%.
Right?
OK.
That's awesome.
How does one get into that world?
Really, by accident, I
didn't know what I wanted to do.
I was going to school to be an engineer.
My father and all my uncles and family
were building contractors.
So I was like, OK, I'm
just going to be an engineer.
I'm going to be a building contractor.
So after that, then I started going to
interior design school at
SCAD in Savannah, Georgia.
And that's Gulfstream's
main hub is in Savannah.
OK.
Are you from Savannah?
Originally, I was moving there.
OK, nice.
Nice.
So when I was going to SCAD, I started
working at Gulfstream as an intern
and fell in love with
aviation and the restless history.
That's all I've done
for the last 18, 19 years.
And I love it.
What was your first project where
somebody was like, yeah, have at it.
Customize my jet.
Well, the first few projects, a lot of
us, as the intern, you're assisting.
You're helping out.
But I got some really cool opportunities
working on Robert Krauss,
Air Queen for the Patriots.
And I was like, OK, this is fun.
Nice.
A little dip into the sports world.
And so you started off kind of like, I
don't know, working with other people,
helping them do the thing.
At what point were you
like, this is my thing.
You know, I spent a few years working on
the manufacturing
side, the Gulfstream side,
the Bombardier side, just getting to know
those products well,
getting to know that the engineering
piece of it, getting to
know the design piece of it
and the behind the scenes build like what
they're doing, like the full process
from design ideation to the delivery of
the plane and what that
looks like on their side.
And then after about, you know, three to
four years, I started then
working on the customer side
with brokers.
So that way we're representing the
clients and we're
taking them to the facility.
We're helping them find a facility and
then we're taking them there
and then we're representing
them from we're doing their design.
We're communicating that to the
completion center and then we're
following their bill for
the price for quality
control, schedule control,
until delivery and then
delivering it to our client.
So like, I feel like it was such an
important piece to be able
to serve my clients better.
Was to have the inside track, which was
to have worked there
and known the challenges
that the facility faces and also what
things I need to look for with just like,
hey, we got to be really mindful about
this quality because this
is something that sometimes
gets overlooked or something that could
drag the schedule or
could drag the costs,
whatever that may be.
Well, and I'm thinking about this.
I'm thinking about this from the
perspective of like,
this isn't, you're not just going into
somebody's house and
picking out like drapes.
This is, this has to be engineered.
There are so many regulations or so many
safety concerns or so
many things where it's like,
you know, yeah, I realize you want a
jukebox, but you know, we're
going to have to like figure
out a way to bolt it down or like, you
know, you can't just rip
out the seats and put a
lazy boy in, you know what I mean?
Like there's all kinds
of things to consider.
So engineering wise, how
do you approach all of that?
Of course, like safety first and
foremost, and you know, that's the
beautiful part about aviation
and also the tricky part is just that
everything has, you know,
everything has to have its
certification.
Everything has to have its place.
Everything has to
have taken all that into.
Yeah.
So you work then with the manufacturer.
So if it's something that's like, like he
brought up a jukebox or
something out of the norm,
yeah, then you're
working with the manufacturer.
Yeah.
To try to figure out,
hey, can we do this?
And if we can, what does that look like?
Yeah.
For example, like, you know, if you, if I
have a client that has a new Gulf stream,
that's going to be built, right?
A new Bombardier 7500 that's going to be
built and we're sitting
down in this design phase and
they're like, you know, I want to have
this custom, like you
said, jukebox or custom system
or whatever it may be something a little
bit out of the norm or something special.
We're taking that drawing it up, working
on that design wise and then
doing our due diligence and
then passing that over to the completion
center and saying, Hey,
have you done this before?
What would that look
like to certify this?
What would that look like cost
wise, time wise, product wise?
And, you know, sometimes it's a no,
sometimes it's a
let's see what we can do,
but we're going to, we're going to run
the gamut of whatever we can
to see to make it possible.
And, you know, sometimes it is a no.
And that's really important because it
means that they can't
find a way to certify.
They can't find a way to
make it safe or functional.
You don't want to put something on the
aircraft and all of a
sudden you're having electrical
issues or lighting issues because you
integrated something
that you shouldn't have.
And that's so important.
It's like, and sometimes you have to find
a creative way to say,
no, we can't do that,
but this is why.
But here's an alternative option.
We can come up with this though.
There's other amazing.
It's like, well, we can't have a shark in
the saltwater fish tank, but.
But.
We can have a shark look more like it.
Might be a place for
sea horses, you know.
Exactly. So what is the, I guess the most...
Well, I mean, yeah.
Well, I guess I guess.
Bizarre? I don't know.
Before we go there, I kind of want to,
because like OEMs and like, you know,
we've talked to people that do like, you
know, maintenance
programs on jets and et cetera.
Right.
A lot of them take it upon themselves to
be like, oh, you want new upholstery?
We got you.
You know, it's like
things like that, right?
At what point do they
need to come to you?
At what point is it like?
I mean, if you ask me, I think they
should come to me at every point, but.
But I mean, there's gotta be
some stuff that's just not,
it's like, oh, you just need cup holders?
I'm not your person, you know?
Right. And the other thing is like, I
would like to say that,
try to be a little bit niche with that,
which is, I really like to
do everything from scratch.
Like I really want to start, I really
love a good, I know the
aircraft, take it down to
the bare bones and build it back together
and, you know, an unrecognizable project.
So I love that. And I do think that a lot
of the referrals I get are
a client that did something
like that. And then they're like, you
know, okay, you're
buying the shoes, aircraft,
you've got to go to her. Cause she's
going to help you from the
ideation, the planning of that
to the completion and like really get
into all those details
and think of everything.
And you know, sometimes there's clients,
it's like, they're like, well,
we're just looking to replace the carpet.
Can we help them? Absolutely.
But that might just be, you know, a quick
piece you don't ever want.
You want to service every client or
whatever their need be.
They're airplane. I have clients that
they buy an aircraft and it's really in
great condition. And so
it's better of me to say,
let me help you with that carpet or let
me help you with these,
just recovering these seats.
And let's revisit in a few years because
we can do it all. So I kind
of try to take an approach
like that. But you know, if someone's
buying a used aircraft
from someone else, I'm like,
call me immediately so we can just get
into it and make a plan.
When you're approaching these projects
too, are people looking at these like,
is there a spectrum between like, get it
back to brand new shape?
And then another side of the spectrum,
I'm imagining just like
full pimp my ride mode.
Right. So like, where on that spectrum do
you usually operate?
Well, I mean, I would always love to
operate and pimp my
ride mode. That's the fun.
But you know, it's really important
because I love to work with not only
clients and users, but I'm also working
with a lot of brokers in the industry
that they have aircraft that they've
gotten a great deal on that
they want to turn and sell fast.
So, you know, we're doing less, but like,
I try to just always think
and like, I think that's where
like that engineering rational side of my
brain versus like, we can
really go here, we can go here,
just to think about, okay, this person,
they want to spend this
much. They need to make this,
this and this look better and or function
better for the sell.
Right. Let's do that.
So you can't just be like, Oh, here's
this beautiful $80,000
carpet. This is going to be
amazing. He's like, really? No. Like you
find a good solution for
that person to do what they
need to do. Yeah. But and you know that
like whoever purchases
that for them is still going
to be in good shape with the choices that
you made. But then maybe
then that client is like,
Okay, this is a good looking aircraft.
Like, but what else can
we do? Right? But I mean,
if you go too far in the whole like
resale, and I got to be worried about
that, that's how you end
up with like beige carpet. Right? Like
that's how that's how it ends up boring.
Like I hesitate to say this on a podcast,
but I'm just gonna do it
anyway. Yeah. Like, I know
resell to a lot of people is important.
And I do value it. And
clients ask about that a lot. And
I do I give my honest opinion or I say
like, Okay, you want to put
in Starlink great resale value
there. Sure. You want to change a carpet
to orange? Maybe not. But
do you want that carpet to be
orange? Will you love that? Will you get
the most out of it? Are you
going to have this aircraft
for five years? If you are the next
person that buy it, they need to replace
this carpet anyways.
So like, get the orange. Do enjoy. Yeah,
get what you want. Like,
if you and there's people,
you know, they have different uses, maybe
it's a corporate use, and
they really want to tone
everything down. But if there's something
they really love, and they
want to go for it, I just
try to give them the facts like, Hey, are
you going to have this for
five years? Yeah. Will you love
this carpet for five years? Will you love
these seats for five
years? If so, the next person
honestly needs to replace that. So nobody
wants someone else's old
seat. Yeah. Rug. Yeah. What
would be absolutely fascinating to me
would be to have you just
sit down with Derek for like,
a few minutes and ask him what he'd want
in his airplane. I was
about to do that just now.
What are some of the options? What are
some like, like, if I want to, if I'm
like, you know what,
I want when I get out, I want there to be
a slide, you know, or like, I
don't know, what are some of
the things that emergency evacuation. I
don't know. I was just gonna have fun.
Yeah. Can we install a kegerator? Like,
what are the options? What
can we do? What are some of
the things? Well, I guess, I guess if
we're thinking about some
of the things you've done
in the past, like, give me some examples
of, of like, you know,
maybe what's the craziest
thing you've installed? Or what's the or
what are some things that
like, come up pretty regularly
that are just interesting things that
you've done? Because I know people,
people that have the kind
of means to own their own jet and can get
things the way they want.
They have ideas. They have
ideas, right? They have ideas. They have
thoughts. Maybe I have some
of my own ideas and I want to
design a jet, you know, but but what are
some things that that people come up
with? It's honestly,
and that's what makes like every project
fun and special is like
depending on the client and like,
what is their use of the plane? Like,
sometimes they are doing like
something really fun with it.
Maybe it has a promotional value. Like, I
had the pleasure of doing
an aircraft for Puma Sports,
Puma Basketball, and at that time they
were launching this
whole amazing like basketball
shoe line for the NBA. And they were
going to have members of that team. They
were going to be using
the jet to take them around and, you
know, promotional value
there. So we wanted to
needed to have like the fastest Wi-Fi,
needed a backup plan. Like you're
thinking of all those
things. They also wanted to have like,
you know, we're going to
highlight some of these cool
sneakers. Like, so we need a credenza
with special lights. We're going to put
the shoes there so that
like when the players are on you get
like, you see this
person shoe, this person shoe.
So that kind of stuff is fun. Like when I
hear someone say that,
I'm like, oh, I'm into that.
Like, let's see what we can do. Or if
someone, and I feel like I've gotten
really fortunate that
I've had a lot of clients that were like
very brand heavy and they
had like strong branding
that they wanted to carry out in the
aircraft. And I've enjoyed doing that,
you know, when you have
like the Rolex, the WWE, Puma, New
Balance shoes, Nike,
whatever it may be like that,
that's really fun to like dig into that
because they have this
established brand and you're like,
how do I take that into the aircraft?
That's for me, that's fun.
I'm not toning that down,
like ramping that up. But yeah, so you
know, you have your maybe you have your
custom shoe credenza.
Like for Paris Hilton's aircraft, we had
one of her custom eye
masks, bridge like made into the
credenza. So when the passengers come on,
they have her skincare line
there, they can grab a cool eye
mask or the mini fridge and like, you
know, she's treating them well
on there. I wonder why I love
playing. So like that kind of stuff is so
special and fun. Yeah. Well,
tell me, because you brought
it up. So tell me about that project,
right? So one of the things
that that has been going around
on social media a little bit lately has
been the recent project you
did for Paris Hilton's plane.
And I've seen it, it looks amazing. Can
you tell me about it?
They have a wonderful family,
a wonderful brand. I just loved digging
and getting that getting
into my inner pink with
that. Yeah, that project that was that
was amazing. They were she was a
wonderful client to work with,
as was her husband. What are some what
are some of the specific
outside of the, you know, the
credenza with the masks and things? What
are some of the custom
things that they want it done?
So, you know, he bought this present,
this aircraft for her as a
present, and they bought a used
aircraft and they're like, let's just got
it. Yeah, we're gonna put
all the latest and greatest
systems, all the latest and greatest
materials, we want this to
be her, her brand, her, every,
everything that she embodies. Yeah. So,
you know, even from
the moment you get on,
it's, of course, just the small
customizations, like custom format,
you're walking through the
galley, every glass, her brand, heart,
pink, the, there's a custom headliner
with hummingbirds on
it that Tapas Corporation did this
gorgeous and that's going from the front
to the back and it's
a gradient. So by the time you get to
that lavatory, it's all
pink clouds. So that's just
these type of details that were so fun.
Every seat belt has a
custom Paris logo. Nice. Itched
onto it. Even the backs of the seat has
her custom Paris sparkle is
embroidered in all of the seats
from the headrest to the bottom cushion
to every cup insert has a different
message on it inside
that's related to her brand. All of the
leather was dyed pink to
her custom pink color that's
patent to her. Yeah, and I think that's
the thing that, you know, when you see
it, that's one of the
first things that stands out. It's like,
wow, like I haven't seen a
jet that had pink leather in it.
This color. Yeah. And I feel like we did
it in a tasteful way. It's like, you
know, you don't look
on and it's these bright pink seats and
you know, it's just like the small
details like the gray
seats with the pink piping and then you
go into the aft and there's
like these beautiful divands,
but they have these pink armrests. Like,
I feel like even though
it was a small bit of pink,
it was like done in a powerful way and
same as the carpet. The
carpet has her custom pattern on
it with the pink, the pink sparkles and
everything is, everything is just
tailored to her. Yeah. And
even when you open the drawers and the
lavatory, there's a custom
leather there, custom patterns.
It's like, you can't open up a cabinet or
look at the surface in
that plane that doesn't have
something unique and custom to her there.
And that that's fun. Where
do you start on projects?
Like, like they'll come to you and
they'll be like, here's our brand
guidelines. Can you,
I mean, is that, is that kind of what it
is? Sometimes it's like
you, especially if it is
for a brand, you do need to know their
guidelines, understand
them. You know, obviously we all
have the, our own logos, even as we know
you have your logo, you don't want to
compromise that. Like
that's really important to you. You don't
want to, so it's just like,
what are they comfortable with,
with the play upon that and how do we
incorporate in the jet? So,
you know, you might start with a
brand guideline or you might have a
client like, like Paris or Puma or
whoever it may be that they
have a very strong brand presence and
they already had it and you know it. All
you have to do is one
click on Google and like it's very
apparent, like their strong brand and she
has a very strong brand.
So you kind of take that and a million
ideas come rushing to your head and you
start trying to pair
those down. Well, how much of it is
collaborative where you're working with
them and how much, I
mean, what's the process like? You know,
I say it's both depending
on, you know, there's sometimes
there's a client that they don't have
time to work on that or nor do
they want to. They're saying,
I hired you, you're the expert. Go do it.
Give me your ideas. I want
to see what you think about it
at first glance and then a lot of times
it's very collaborative
because it's so important to them
and they enjoy the involvement and person
is that way. Like I
initially came up with some ideas
and presented it and so she was very
involved with giving like a few like
wishes and things that she
liked or likes, didn't likes and she has
like a wonderful branding
team that works for her,
of course, on everything that she does.
So you got to work with her
team and you get to work with
her team and they're all amazing, like
creative geniuses. So
that's, that's nice. If every,
if every client had a team like that.
Yeah. So, so it's in that case, it's,
it's a lot of collaboration
with that team. A lot of collaboration,
which is so important
because you really want the product
at the end to be everything they wanted
to be. And like these are
the people and they know her
well, they know the brand and you don't
want to venture off from
that. Like if that's really
important, like you want to make sure
that you have just amplified
that brand. Totally don't want
to miss it. Yeah, you don't want to miss
that. And you, I mean, I love
it when you go into a space and
it's very clear where you are, what brand
it is. So I enjoy that.
What are, what are some, some,
I don't know, I hesitate to say, what's
the most insane thing you've
installed in a plane? But I
mean, like, do you have any examples of
things like that? Well,
outside of, I mean, obviously
people are going to want, you know, their
brand colors in their,
their aesthetic applied to the
plane. But are there other things that
people are looking for? There's
definitely other things.
I mean, I hope it's okay to tell this
story, but you know, I was, I
was young. I love that on the
show. If it's okay. So, you know, if
like, and maybe I would be
the same way if you have,
you've purchased this aircraft, you've
worked so hard for it
your whole life. Like
you want to do what you want to do on the
inside and the outside. So
I've been doing this about 19
years. I was a little younger when this
happened, but I had a
client ask me for my very first
stripper pole to be installed in a G450
in the back. And my first
thought, and they asked me,
they didn't ask me in an email, they
asked me in person in front of their
whole entourage. And so,
you know, here's 12 to 15 or so guys just
looking at you speaking
another language. Okay. You know,
here's the interpreter and you're like,
first thoughts,
engineering wise, structurally,
how do we do that? What location? I was
like, and what location were
you going to have that like in
the back and the aft cabin? And I'm
thinking, well, there's not
gonna be any room for any seats.
Like I was like, okay, so interpreter
like, Hey, you know where
we'd have to, if you're really
going to make use of this, we'd be to
remove these seats. So
then you're losing, you know,
four passengers, six passengers,
depending on your, so it's funny. It's
sort of just judging
the fact that they wanted it. You're just
like, I don't think
that's where we do it.
It becomes like an engineering, like,
this is your dream.
This is your plane. Like,
sure. Absolutely. You worked hard your
whole life. If you're
going to stripper bowl,
we're going to get you a stripper. I'm
not here to judge. That's not my job.
Um, there's a higher power for that. No
judgment coming from me.
You want to strip purple.
I'm going to figure out a way to do it,
make that work. But I have
questions like, you know,
so I had questions. I said, you know,
like you're going to lose
these seats. Like, is that,
you know, this is the passengers are
important. There's a large group of
people here. It seems
like you're traveling with a lot of
people. Like, where are they going to
sit? So like, you know,
you have to give them the facts. Sure. So
I say to the interpreter,
you know, these are some of
the things I'm, I just want them to be
aware of because we move
forward with this. It's going to
be very expensive. It's going to be a lot
of changes structurally.
And then granted when you
back to reselling, but like you go to
reselling, there's no
seats back there. So, you know,
there's going to be some things I want
them to be aware of. One
thing is like, logistically,
will this be that much fun? They're going
to, you know, there's not
that much room in the plane.
Whatever the interpreter says, they think
that I say the group
thinks that I said that I was
suggesting that they get little people as
strippers. I said, you
know what, this is going to,
it's going to the next time. So this was,
this was not, so there's
an interpreter. So like,
they're not even speaking English to you.
They're speaking through
an interpreter and you're
speaking back through that interpreter.
And we're trying to figure it
out. So I would love to have
been in that room. And I'm looking at the
inter, you know, I'm read as it be like,
that embarrassed room full of men talking
about this. They're looking at me like,
is she shocked? Is she not shocked? Does
she love it? And I'm
looking at the interpreter like,
are you really saying what I said?
Because that doesn't feel
like you said what I said.
A little like here we are, you know, like
what kind of a room is it?
But yeah, so that happened.
Did you do it? Did
you make it happen? Yes.
We will always make it happen. That's
great. That's great. You know,
everything is that everything is like
time and money. You figure it out.
It's a problem solving thing, right? Like
if you're, if you're
approaching it from an engineering
standpoint, it's not like, is this cool
or should I do it? Or is
it even ethical or whatever?
But it's, it's just like from an
engineering standpoint, it's
not for you to decide like what
they should or shouldn't do. It's like,
what do they want? Can you make it
happen? And sometimes
I'm like, I don't want to be the
designer. I want to be the problem
solver. Like, and that's part of
it. It's like, you don't want to just be
like, I'm, yes, I'm going
to manage your, the quality,
your budget, the schedule, the design,
the delivery, even after
the delivery, but like solve
their problems. Like it's more than just
picking out some materials.
You'd have to be a problem
solver. Be the person they go to for
everything related to that.
And you solve the issue. Have
you learned that? I'll figure it out.
That's my job to figure it
out. It's not for you to stress
about. Have you ever had to tell somebody
no? Definitely have had to
tell someone no, but just
in a more understanding and creative way,
you say, okay, this we
can't do, but compromise.
Yeah. Here's what we could do instead.
Here's a solution. And I
definitely, because I, I feel
like when I, I have to, of course, then I
become the middleman, which
is here's the facility. Here's
the standard arrow, the West star, the
Gulf stream, the Bombardier.
Yeah. Here's the client. Here's
you. So you're telling them yes and, or
maybe, and then you're
going over here and they want to
say, do you know, or I don't like it. So
I don't want to do you have
any examples of things that
are like so out there that you're like,
there's no way we can put a Jacuzzi in
the back of this thing.
You can, you can't. How would that work?
Because the water will slash
out if you gotta do things.
Tell about the electric covers. It does
do that. I totally want to
get a jet with a Jacuzzi now.
Sure. Yeah. See, it tells you. But you
know, it's very, the extra
water tank you need is very heavy
and then that affects your range. So it's
like, you know, people have
done this and there's even
like, you know, we had like a BBJ that we
put a steam shower in. So
it's like, you need extra
water for that. So like you really, yes
is the answer, but here's
like, it has, you're going to
lose something. Yeah. You have to tell
your clients like the whole
picture, like sure. We need,
we need additional water tanks for this.
That's going to change.
That's the cost. That's the
weight changes to this much. Therefore,
if you're trying to go here
to here, like that changes
your range. So you're going to have to
fuel more like knowing all
these things. Do you want to do
it? If you do, oh, you want a massage
table. You want to have a treadmill. You
want, yes, yes, yes.
But here's the compromises. Right. And I
think that we get into
that. It's like, you know, with
like the football teams, the basketball
team, soccer, like, you
know, they're spending so much
of their time traveling and it's such a
toll on your body. We all
know. So they might need those
resources. They need the doctor on board.
They need the treatment
table, the massage table,
because, you know, their time is so
valuable. You're going from
this city to this city to this
city. They're playing like back to back
games. Sometimes it would be
nice if they can, you know,
everything can be done on board the
aircraft. It's like, there's just so
much, you know, time wasted.
Right. That's three hours, they're in the
air and they need to do
something. Yeah. And then our job
is to figure out like the weights of
things. Like how can we make all of this
furniture like really
lightweight because we already have like
full passengers. So we
know, you know, the do they need
to go to London, LA? What is the deal?
Like how can we get creative
with keeping their range where
it's at or the marketed range that it's
at? And have we been
thoughtful about what we do on the
inside? And I try to like separate myself
in that way without just,
you know, I don't want anyone
to ever be like, oh, who designed this
plane? It can't, the range is down
because everything's so
heavy or there's this that and the other.
So I try to think about
that stuff just as much as the
aesthetic. What projects are you most
excited about that you can
talk about? Are there anything
coming out that you're just like, this is
going to be pretty awesome. I have some
exciting stuff coming
up that I'm excited about. I have a 6500
coming up for a WWE
wrestling. I'm excited about that.
I love a chance to, you know, and I think
that's one we want to kind
of help you with. Absolutely.
Be a part of. I love the thought of doing
everything black and red
and like really masculine,
especially on the tails of like this
beautiful pink aircraft.
Right. You did a totally like
feminine aircraft. Now it's a really
masculine. And they're such a great
company and I've worked
with them for a while and I love working
with them. So that's a
really fun one coming up and
we like to just think of all the details
and inside outside and
that's just such a piece
because they're showmen like that. I
mean, yeah, I mean, are you
also doing we talked a lot about
the interiors you're doing the experience
too. Like are you putting
rims on these things? Like
what are you doing? That's a good idea.
You know, just throwing it out there.
Right. We could just
get someone to cooperate with that we can
really bother. I'm putting
it out in the world. Yeah.
But yeah, I do the exteriors as well. I
love, I love that part of
it. I mean, I love to work on
the whole process. Just interior
exterior, even when it's down
to like the maintenance, how do
we make that more maintenance friendly?
You don't want, you don't
want the clients director of
maintenance on your tail like you with
the metallic pink. So,
you know, you've got to keep
everybody. Everybody's part of the job.
Like thinking about that.
What do our pilots need?
Like what requests do they have? And like
a lot of my clients are so
great. Like when we meet,
they say, make sure you talk to our crew
like and see what they
need up front. You know, like
you just bought the shoes aircraft. Does
it have all of the
equipment they need? We want to make
sure it's really safe for them. And like,
there's always new stuff
coming out and upgrades and like,
sometimes like the crew, they're so
great. They don't want to
ask. They're like, oh, this, you
know, this could be expensive, but this
would really make we, we
do a lot of night landings.
We're landing in Aspen. We're landing
here. Like they have things
that they can advise the client
on that. And I like to definitely always
consider that because it's better. Like
when, when everybody
is happy and everybody's working together
and you do have to consider
that. I mean, it's like the
pilot may not like the disco ball. It's
like whatever. It's like
just stuff like that. It's
like anything that's distracting or
anything. It's like, well, yeah, we don't
need them at the back
with this report. Yeah. Such an important
job. And so we try to
consider all of that stuff.
Like whatever we're specifying. So I love
all of that. I love the
exterior paint, love the inside,
but love getting into the maintenance and
love getting into the
avionics and just following
that process and love watching everything
be built and like monitoring like the
quality of that. Just
because it's so, it's such a, um, the
craftsmen in our industry that work on
this stuff, like their
hand making, you see covers like every
detail, like it's not just,
you know, Paris's embroidered
headdress, like people are really doing
all this stuff with their
hands and it's amazing. And so
just watching the quality of that, like
from the build and to the
end is I think the best part of
the job. If somebody, if somebody wanted
to work with you, right.
And, uh, you know, obviously you
probably get referrals all over the
place, but, but if somebody, if
somebody's like watching this
and like, you know what, I need to get my
own custom, I don't know,
golf simulator on a plane
or whatever it is, whatever is they're
trying to do, right. You
know, we've been thinking about
a golf simulator situation. Let's do it.
I'm here all day. I'll
just come up with crazy ideas
and we can just see if somebody like a
situation in like a 7,500
where they have that beautiful
bedroom in the back and like, it's a very
spacious area. Now there
could be some compromises there,
but just trying to think of a scenario
where at some points you
could have your golf simulator
on the bulkhead, like, you know, there's
some things to be worked
out. You may not be able to
drive, but maybe the putt, putting green
absolutely. We can do the
things. They're on their plane so
much. They're, they're doing a level of
exercising, whatever they
like to do on there. And so it's
really fun to think of like more creative
ways that they can instead
of just doing a little yoga,
like what else could they do? Right.
Right. We get that simulator. But if
somebody, if somebody did
want to get in touch with you, what's the
best way for them to do that to get the
conversation started?
I think the best way is just email, phone
call, social media.
Sadly, I have to check them all
the time. And, but yeah, like client
referrals, it's, it's the
best part of the business doing
a good job for each client. So they want
to refer you to the next person, but
nice. And we'll have,
we'll have something to put in the
description of the video in
terms of the best way or your
preferred way. Yeah. I don't want to put
all of your stuff out
there for everyone because it's
YouTube and who knows, right? Anything
before we wrap things up
though, is there anything else that,
that maybe I didn't ask you that you want
to, that you want to mention
or you want to talk about in
terms of people that are just thinking
about owning the jet,
right? And what their options are
and, and how they should approach just
the, the ability to do
whatever they want. Right.
Yeah. I mean, I would encourage every
client, like reach out,
you're thinking about buying a jet,
you need some advice about what, what
would be the right one for
your family, for your business,
for your fit, for your, for the range
that you need, et cetera.
Reach out so we can start planning
because it's so important to find the
right facility to do the
work and it's a used aircraft
or new aircraft. You know, there's a lot
of great facilities out there, West Star,
Standard Arrow, Duncan. And so getting
ahead, like, you know, pre-planning the
design, the paint slot,
the maintenance slot, all of these things
that go into it and just not
waiting till the last minute
and like, we help with all of it. So I
think that's it is like, and you're not
hesitating about to do
what you want and thinking it might not
be possible or you saw this 7X that you
were really interested
in, but you don't like the color of the
seats or the walls. It's like, well,
that's nothing. Like,
let's get into that. You're going to have
maintenance and stuff
you have to do anyway.
So to me, it's, you know, somebody goes
and looks at an airplane and, well, I
just really don't like
the seat colors. So now I'm going to pass
on that when it's, yeah, you
know, that's an easy change.
Great. Great. That's, yeah, we know
someone that can help them
on that. We know someone.
We know someone. I think that happened.
That might happen a lot.
And I hate that because
some of this stuff is such an easy
change, especially in the
grand scheme of things of
what they're doing. And especially when
you're looking at the used
aircraft market, because,
you know, a lot of the people that you
see in aircraft, it might not be your
taste, but, you know,
that person went for it and they did what
they wanted to do and
they enjoyed that plane. And
their crew has like, it's meticulously
maintained. It's like, you know what
that's do for new seats
and carpet and new paint job. Like, you
know, we encourage people to
like paint your plane every
seven years. So you don't have to worry
about corrosion and like
these type of things. So it's
like people maybe worry too much about
what the current aesthetic
is. And it's like, no, don't
worry about it. Does it have good
equipment? Has it been well maintained?
Like, because we want to
do something special for the inside
anyway. Yeah. I love it. I love it.
Sarah, thank you so much for
being on the show. Thanks for having me.
It was a pleasure. Yeah. I'm looking
forward to seeing how
this how this next project turns out.
Absolutely. I can't wait to share it.
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