WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.520 I'm Travis Bader and this is The 00:00:10.520 --> 00:00:11.690 Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.310 --> 00:00:15.140 Join me as I discuss matters related to 00:00:15.140 --> 00:00:17.690 hunting, fishing, and outdoor pursuits with the 00:00:17.690 --> 00:00:20.090 people in businesses that comprise the community. 00:00:20.900 --> 00:00:22.790 If you're new to Silvercore, be sure to 00:00:22.790 --> 00:00:26.990 check out our website, www.Silvercore.ca where 00:00:26.990 --> 00:00:29.300 you can learn more about courses, services, and 00:00:29.300 --> 00:00:30.350 products that we offer. 00:00:30.740 --> 00:00:32.720 As well as how you can join The Silvercore Club, 00:00:32.990 --> 00:00:35.150 which includes 10 million in north America wide 00:00:35.150 --> 00:00:37.790 liability insurance, to ensure you are properly 00:00:37.790 --> 00:00:39.710 covered during your outdoor adventures. 00:00:43.250 --> 00:00:45.620 In this episode, I sit down with a lawyer, Ian 00:00:45.620 --> 00:00:48.050 Runkle and ask firearms related questions, 00:00:48.170 --> 00:00:50.570 which came directly from Silvercore Club members. 00:00:51.050 --> 00:00:53.210 There is a ton of great information crammed 00:00:53.210 --> 00:00:55.250 into this podcast that you won't want to miss. 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:59.339 Backed by very popular demand, I'm again, 00:00:59.339 --> 00:01:01.890 chatting with Ian Runkle, Canadian lawyer 00:01:01.949 --> 00:01:04.319 and host of the Runkle of the Bailey YouTube 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.570 channel, which deals with legal commentary, 00:01:06.570 --> 00:01:08.700 heavily leaning towards issues of interest to 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:09.840 the firearms community. 00:01:10.350 --> 00:01:13.200 Ian doles out countless hours of high quality 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.170 content and has a Patreon account where he can 00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:18.000 support us endeavor and get the inside 00:01:18.009 --> 00:01:19.200 scoop at the same time. 00:01:19.710 --> 00:01:21.360 If you haven't checked out Ian's work, 00:01:21.390 --> 00:01:23.220 there will be links in the description. 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:24.690 I highly recommended. 00:01:25.470 --> 00:01:28.140 Welcome back to The Silvercore Podcast, Ian. 00:01:29.270 --> 00:01:30.650 Oh, thank you for having me back. 00:01:30.650 --> 00:01:32.060 It's always a good time, so. 00:01:32.780 --> 00:01:34.550 Man, I had so much fun speaking with 00:01:34.550 --> 00:01:35.930 you in episode 43. 00:01:36.050 --> 00:01:38.449 And even though we spoke for quite some 00:01:38.449 --> 00:01:41.300 time, I felt like we're still just scratching 00:01:41.600 --> 00:01:42.530 the tip of the iceberg. 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:48.320 Oh, firearm law is such a, uh, it's such 00:01:48.320 --> 00:01:52.890 a complicated and kind of broken area that 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.630 there's so much to it. 00:01:54.720 --> 00:01:57.330 I mean, it's, uh, I kind of fell in love 00:01:57.330 --> 00:01:59.670 with it because I was in law school, uh, 00:01:59.730 --> 00:02:00.780 and started shooting. 00:02:00.780 --> 00:02:03.390 And I, just because law school is stressful. 00:02:03.390 --> 00:02:05.700 I remembered I enjoyed it as a kid, but I hadn't 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:08.550 really kept up with it, but I needed a hobby. 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.760 So I started that and then I thought, I don't 00:02:11.760 --> 00:02:13.740 want to be the guy who blows up his legal career 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:16.110 by getting himself into some sort of trouble. 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.010 So I'd better actually go and, uh, figure 00:02:20.010 --> 00:02:20.760 out what the law is. 00:02:20.760 --> 00:02:21.840 So I don't run into it. 00:02:22.710 --> 00:02:24.840 And at first I thought, I don't 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:25.740 understand this at all. 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:27.060 This is making no sense. 00:02:27.480 --> 00:02:31.380 And later as I dug into it more, I went, I 00:02:31.380 --> 00:02:33.270 think I'm understanding it just fine. 00:02:33.300 --> 00:02:34.920 It just makes no sense. 00:02:36.950 --> 00:02:37.280 Yeah. 00:02:37.340 --> 00:02:38.960 That's kind of the conclusion I've 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:39.770 come to as well. 00:02:39.770 --> 00:02:43.130 And I don't have any legal degree, but I 00:02:43.130 --> 00:02:46.130 have heard, being a firearms instructor 00:02:46.130 --> 00:02:48.829 and being in the industry since about 94. 00:02:49.709 --> 00:02:52.679 I tend to hear the same questions coming up 00:02:52.709 --> 00:02:53.910 over and over again. 00:02:53.910 --> 00:02:55.950 And you probably see the same thing as well. 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:56.850 Yep. 00:02:56.850 --> 00:02:59.480 And I try my best to sort of answer some of them. 00:02:59.510 --> 00:03:01.640 I, uh, I have the optimistic notion 00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:03.380 that some of my videos might settle some 00:03:03.380 --> 00:03:04.280 of these debates. 00:03:04.700 --> 00:03:07.670 Um, it's overly optimistic, but I am glad 00:03:07.670 --> 00:03:09.950 every time I see one of these fights starts up 00:03:09.950 --> 00:03:12.649 and somebody goes, no, we got an answer for this. 00:03:12.649 --> 00:03:13.459 Here's a video. 00:03:15.739 --> 00:03:15.950 Yeah. 00:03:15.980 --> 00:03:18.549 Well, in preparation for this podcast, we thought 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.870 it'd be kind of fun to provide Silvercore Club 00:03:20.870 --> 00:03:23.299 members an opportunity to ask questions 00:03:23.299 --> 00:03:25.519 and we could just generally discuss it. 00:03:25.670 --> 00:03:27.890 And Ian, you graciously obliged. 00:03:28.459 --> 00:03:28.730 Yep. 00:03:28.790 --> 00:03:30.950 I see there's a whole bunch of questions here. 00:03:30.950 --> 00:03:33.950 I can sort of dive into them or let you ask the 00:03:33.950 --> 00:03:35.959 ones that are most sort of key on your mind here, 00:03:35.959 --> 00:03:39.079 but, uh, yeah, there's a lot of questions that 00:03:39.079 --> 00:03:41.630 sort of keep coming up and a lot of them are 00:03:41.630 --> 00:03:43.459 fairly complicated when it gets down to it. 00:03:43.459 --> 00:03:45.680 I'll try to be kind of clear and concise 00:03:45.709 --> 00:03:46.730 as much as possible 00:03:47.220 --> 00:03:48.060 Well, you know what I thought it would 00:03:48.060 --> 00:03:51.660 be kind of fun was we can generally speak 00:03:51.660 --> 00:03:54.540 about the question and kind of discuss it. 00:03:54.660 --> 00:03:58.170 And if you have, for a lot of these, I do know 00:03:58.170 --> 00:04:00.630 that you already have content in long form on 00:04:00.630 --> 00:04:01.500 your YouTube channel. 00:04:01.860 --> 00:04:04.050 And what I'll do is I'll break them each one down. 00:04:04.050 --> 00:04:05.310 And if we feel like, Hey, we're getting a 00:04:05.310 --> 00:04:07.440 little bit far into this, we'll just put a link 00:04:07.440 --> 00:04:10.060 over and the listeners can go check it out 00:04:10.060 --> 00:04:12.120 on The Runkle of the Bailey YouTube channel. 00:04:12.510 --> 00:04:13.320 Sounds good to me. 00:04:14.220 --> 00:04:14.700 All right. 00:04:14.760 --> 00:04:16.950 So the first one is a really, really easy one. 00:04:17.370 --> 00:04:18.930 Um, I'm sure no one's ever asked 00:04:18.930 --> 00:04:19.710 this one before. 00:04:20.490 --> 00:04:21.690 Of course I'm being facetious. 00:04:22.650 --> 00:04:25.020 Are Canadian gun owners permitted to 00:04:25.020 --> 00:04:27.210 defend themselves with their firearms? 00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:30.330 And if so, in what situations? 00:04:30.710 --> 00:04:33.890 So this gets real complicated because, uh, 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.440 self-defense law is what lawyers like to call 00:04:36.440 --> 00:04:38.960 highly fact-specific, which means it comes 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:41.830 down to the very precise elements of, 00:04:42.210 --> 00:04:43.240 you know, of moments. 00:04:43.664 --> 00:04:46.905 So what is valid self-defense, uh, at 00:04:46.905 --> 00:04:50.055 one point might have been a serious criminal 00:04:50.055 --> 00:04:53.145 offense, four or five seconds previous. 00:04:53.745 --> 00:04:56.924 Um, as an example, you know, if you think of 00:04:56.924 --> 00:04:59.655 somebody who's got a knife and they're 45 feet 00:04:59.655 --> 00:05:02.205 away and you're standing there with a rifle and 00:05:02.205 --> 00:05:04.755 the rifle is drawn on them, the standard sort 00:05:04.755 --> 00:05:06.615 of, uh, you know, the Tueller drill and all 00:05:06.615 --> 00:05:08.565 of that, those assuming you're talking about 00:05:08.565 --> 00:05:11.445 a holster pistol, you can, you're effective at 00:05:11.445 --> 00:05:13.604 a much closer distance if you're drawn on 00:05:13.604 --> 00:05:16.155 somebody, but you know, they've got a knife and 00:05:16.155 --> 00:05:16.935 you're standing there. 00:05:16.935 --> 00:05:19.815 It would you know, a court would probably 00:05:19.815 --> 00:05:21.705 not be okay with you pulling the trigger 00:05:21.705 --> 00:05:23.354 on them if they're just standing there at 00:05:23.354 --> 00:05:25.245 that 45 foot distance. 00:05:25.875 --> 00:05:29.685 But they lean in and start a charge and the 00:05:29.685 --> 00:05:32.385 equation changes and the court would be much more 00:05:32.385 --> 00:05:34.484 likely to find that that was a reasonable time 00:05:34.484 --> 00:05:35.265 to pull the trigger. 00:05:35.955 --> 00:05:38.924 Uh, the problem is, is that when you 00:05:38.924 --> 00:05:41.054 get into highly fact specific things, people 00:05:41.054 --> 00:05:43.170 want simple answers. 00:05:43.170 --> 00:05:45.180 Like I can do this at this point. 00:05:46.770 --> 00:05:49.020 The general sort of rule is if you've got 00:05:49.020 --> 00:05:51.090 another option, take that other option. 00:05:51.690 --> 00:05:53.790 Um, there are plenty of cases where people 00:05:53.790 --> 00:05:55.740 have used firearms in self-defense and 00:05:55.740 --> 00:05:57.630 been acquitted, but keep in mind being 00:05:57.630 --> 00:06:00.120 acquitted at trial is incredibly expensive. 00:06:00.810 --> 00:06:03.180 Um, you know, if you're thinking about 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:05.700 somebody leaving with your TV or your truck, 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.040 I guarantee you it's cheaper to just buy a 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.010 new truck, you know. 00:06:10.010 --> 00:06:10.690 No kidding. 00:06:11.170 --> 00:06:14.070 So, you know, that trigger pull ends up 00:06:14.070 --> 00:06:16.830 being possibly the most expensive decision you 00:06:16.830 --> 00:06:17.730 would take in your life. 00:06:18.510 --> 00:06:21.060 And, you know, it could also cost 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:21.690 you your freedom. 00:06:22.650 --> 00:06:25.470 So if you have another option, take 00:06:25.470 --> 00:06:26.190 the other option. 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:30.150 And if you're ever in court, in this situation 00:06:30.150 --> 00:06:32.250 and you never want to be in the, in court, 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:36.030 being able to articulate, here's why I couldn't 00:06:36.030 --> 00:06:37.230 do anything else. 00:06:37.590 --> 00:06:42.120 You know, you know, if you say like, and 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:44.850 couldn't, and didn't want to, or different things 00:06:44.850 --> 00:06:47.190 like the guys leaving with my TV, I don't want 00:06:47.190 --> 00:06:48.240 them to leave with my TV. 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.390 I like my TV, but I can, you know, I'm 00:06:51.390 --> 00:06:52.380 still gonna be alive. 00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:55.440 But if the guy's coming after me with an ax, you 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:57.450 know, then it's like, well, I can't leave out 00:06:57.450 --> 00:06:59.820 the back door because that'll take too long. 00:06:59.850 --> 00:07:02.550 I got to fiddle with the back locks and 00:07:02.550 --> 00:07:03.750 you know, the guy's coming after me. 00:07:03.750 --> 00:07:04.560 I don't have time. 00:07:05.220 --> 00:07:08.760 You know, I tried telling him to, you know, to 00:07:08.760 --> 00:07:10.590 stop, he kept coming. 00:07:10.590 --> 00:07:12.900 I had the firearm in hands, you know, that's 00:07:12.900 --> 00:07:16.100 itself, a use of force and a show of force. 00:07:16.460 --> 00:07:17.390 And he kept coming. 00:07:17.900 --> 00:07:21.620 You know, I, I tried everything I could, this 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:23.240 was my last, last option. 00:07:23.810 --> 00:07:25.850 That's always going to be a better position, 00:07:25.910 --> 00:07:28.040 but there's, there's never any guarantees. 00:07:28.670 --> 00:07:31.430 Um, sometimes those cases surprise me 00:07:31.430 --> 00:07:32.540 in both directions. 00:07:32.540 --> 00:07:34.240 You know, I see situations where I think. 00:07:35.145 --> 00:07:37.034 You know, in case law, I think this was 00:07:37.034 --> 00:07:39.585 a good use of, you know, self-defensive 00:07:39.585 --> 00:07:42.615 force and the court says we disagree. 00:07:43.635 --> 00:07:45.585 And sometimes I think, well, that was pretty 00:07:45.585 --> 00:07:47.865 shaky and the courts says nah, that was fine. 00:07:49.034 --> 00:07:51.585 Um, judges are people too, as much as we love 00:07:51.585 --> 00:07:54.015 to think of the law as sort of this machine 00:07:54.015 --> 00:07:56.715 where you plug things in and the right results 00:07:56.715 --> 00:07:59.265 come out, um, sometimes. 00:08:00.224 --> 00:08:00.825 Not always. 00:08:01.044 --> 00:08:02.505 Not always. 00:08:02.615 --> 00:08:04.155 And there's sort of a school of thought 00:08:04.155 --> 00:08:06.525 that basically says sometimes decisions get 00:08:06.525 --> 00:08:09.344 made for reasons that are more complicated 00:08:09.344 --> 00:08:09.855 than you think. 00:08:09.914 --> 00:08:11.685 Like the judge just takes a dislike to you 00:08:11.685 --> 00:08:12.765 or something like that. 00:08:13.425 --> 00:08:15.914 Um, and that can shade how they look 00:08:15.914 --> 00:08:16.664 at the evidence. 00:08:17.175 --> 00:08:19.965 So if you have another option, take 00:08:19.965 --> 00:08:20.715 the other option. 00:08:20.775 --> 00:08:22.695 And I know that doesn't make a whole lot of 00:08:22.695 --> 00:08:24.855 people happy about, you know, a lot of people 00:08:24.855 --> 00:08:27.615 would like me to say, oh, well, you know, go ahead. 00:08:27.645 --> 00:08:30.495 But you don't ever want to be hiring 00:08:30.495 --> 00:08:31.425 somebody like me. 00:08:32.235 --> 00:08:33.914 And especially not if there's a body, 00:08:34.095 --> 00:08:37.095 like that's, that's a bad place to be. 00:08:37.664 --> 00:08:40.934 Um, I have represented people. 00:08:40.934 --> 00:08:42.765 Who've used defensive, you know, force in 00:08:42.765 --> 00:08:45.824 defense and just about everybody says they 00:08:45.824 --> 00:08:46.675 wish it never happened. 00:08:47.555 --> 00:08:48.234 No kidding. 00:08:48.754 --> 00:08:51.675 So, and that's including people who really had 00:08:51.675 --> 00:08:53.595 no choice, you know, that's including people 00:08:53.595 --> 00:08:56.505 who were cornered, who had no other option. 00:08:56.985 --> 00:08:59.115 They're still like, I wish I could think of 00:08:59.115 --> 00:09:01.425 some other way that that could have gone because 00:09:01.454 --> 00:09:02.564 I don't like the outcome. 00:09:03.525 --> 00:09:05.805 And that's people who win people who, you know. 00:09:06.905 --> 00:09:09.785 Well, when in one respect the win, the fight, 00:09:09.845 --> 00:09:11.975 but maybe not the full battle, the next eight 00:09:12.155 --> 00:09:14.245 years of your life in criminal and civil. 00:09:14.824 --> 00:09:16.655 Well, uh, Marie Henein, who's a 00:09:16.655 --> 00:09:18.665 lawyer who I've got tremendous regard for. 00:09:18.725 --> 00:09:21.725 Uh, she, uh, did a talk and one of the things 00:09:21.725 --> 00:09:24.214 she was saying, and I really liked this line 00:09:24.245 --> 00:09:26.824 is, you know, as a defense lawyer, we're 00:09:26.824 --> 00:09:29.194 never going to be able to put you back where you 00:09:29.194 --> 00:09:30.525 were before it happened. 00:09:31.655 --> 00:09:34.710 But we can try to put you in the sort of best place 00:09:34.710 --> 00:09:36.990 going forward, but you're always going to be worse 00:09:36.990 --> 00:09:40.110 off just by having gone through the process so. 00:09:40.110 --> 00:09:40.790 That's a good point. 00:09:41.310 --> 00:09:42.990 Um, you know, if the guy's walking away with 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:46.290 your TV and you let him walk away with your 00:09:46.290 --> 00:09:48.900 TV, you're not ending up being charged most 00:09:48.900 --> 00:09:52.050 likely, and that's a much happier place to be. 00:09:53.160 --> 00:09:53.380 Yeah. 00:09:53.470 --> 00:09:54.870 No I agree with you on that one. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.840 When, uh, armored car guards, they're carrying 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.630 firearms, they're using that firearm for 00:10:02.630 --> 00:10:05.120 protection of their life and they are civilians. 00:10:05.150 --> 00:10:06.890 They don't have any police powers, 00:10:06.890 --> 00:10:07.460 anything else. 00:10:07.460 --> 00:10:11.060 And I know the training system that they go 00:10:11.060 --> 00:10:12.770 through, they try and simplify it as 00:10:12.770 --> 00:10:13.910 much as possible. 00:10:13.910 --> 00:10:18.260 Obviously it's not a, uh, not from a, a 00:10:18.260 --> 00:10:21.500 lawyers perspective, but they say weapon, 00:10:21.500 --> 00:10:22.640 intent, delivery system. 00:10:22.700 --> 00:10:24.350 They take these three pieces. 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:26.150 There needs to be a weapon. 00:10:26.210 --> 00:10:28.150 There needs to be actual intent and there needs 00:10:28.150 --> 00:10:31.170 to be some mechanism for delivery and the guy 00:10:31.170 --> 00:10:33.780 can have a weapon and intent, but no means of 00:10:33.780 --> 00:10:35.400 actually doing damage. 00:10:35.820 --> 00:10:36.090 Yep. 00:10:36.630 --> 00:10:37.280 And that was one. 00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:40.830 And the other one was, um, and reasonable. 00:10:40.980 --> 00:10:43.260 If I'm recalling this correctly, reasonable 00:10:43.260 --> 00:10:45.090 grounds to believe that your life or life of 00:10:45.090 --> 00:10:47.460 a third party is an imminent danger of death 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:50.580 or grievous bodily harm and no less violent 00:10:50.580 --> 00:10:53.550 means available, like leaving or letting them 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:54.660 walk away with a TV. 00:10:55.100 --> 00:10:55.370 Yeah. 00:10:55.640 --> 00:10:58.700 And you know, I, this one is always especially 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:01.370 hard for farmers because you know, in 00:11:01.370 --> 00:11:04.700 my house, you know, a TV's a valuable object. 00:11:04.730 --> 00:11:07.160 There's various things, but you'd be hard pressed 00:11:07.670 --> 00:11:09.950 to walk out with more than say a few thousand 00:11:09.950 --> 00:11:11.120 dollars worth of stuff. 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.540 Um, you know, vehicle, you're probably 00:11:14.540 --> 00:11:16.940 getting into the five digits of, you know, 00:11:16.940 --> 00:11:17.960 but they're old cars. 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.150 I'm not, I'm not the sort of guy who likes to roll 00:11:20.150 --> 00:11:21.200 around in a Mercedes. 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:22.220 That's never been me. 00:11:22.520 --> 00:11:22.850 Right. 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.490 But you know, you get onto a farm property 00:11:25.490 --> 00:11:29.880 and you're talking about six-figure pieces of farm 00:11:29.880 --> 00:11:32.760 equipment that somebody might be stealing 00:11:32.760 --> 00:11:35.250 or damaging in the course of stealing it. 00:11:35.670 --> 00:11:38.160 You know, somebody going out there with, you know, 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:41.069 an all to steal or with some sort of drill to 00:11:41.069 --> 00:11:44.370 steal gas out of a big piece of farm equipment, 00:11:44.849 --> 00:11:47.310 uh, might be costing a huge amount of damage. 00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:49.589 And if he takes that equipment out of 00:11:49.589 --> 00:11:53.310 line, uh, before a key portion of, you know, 00:11:53.579 --> 00:11:57.630 the season that could ruin somebody, right? 00:11:57.660 --> 00:12:00.000 It's, you know, harvest, you've got a narrow 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.069 window if somebody taking your equipment out. 00:12:02.610 --> 00:12:05.130 So these get to be hard considerations, but the 00:12:05.130 --> 00:12:07.800 law doesn't typically weigh money, very 00:12:07.800 --> 00:12:10.560 highly, they weigh life. 00:12:11.520 --> 00:12:15.060 And so I might not say necessarily weapon, 00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:19.020 although a weapon is a, a sort of major factor, 00:12:19.589 --> 00:12:23.520 but like credible threat to life or the like, 00:12:24.839 --> 00:12:27.119 because somebody may not need a weapon for that. 00:12:27.900 --> 00:12:28.069 True. 00:12:28.069 --> 00:12:30.255 Um, you know, if you've got somebody who's built, 00:12:30.285 --> 00:12:32.895 you know, they're an MMA fighter sort of build, 00:12:33.314 --> 00:12:35.535 uh, they may not have a weapon, but if you are 00:12:35.564 --> 00:12:38.175 80 years old and this guy is going to come and lay 00:12:38.175 --> 00:12:40.574 a pummeling on you just with fists and boots, 00:12:41.055 --> 00:12:43.485 uh, you could very well die from that right. 00:12:43.515 --> 00:12:46.214 That's and so there's size considerations 00:12:46.214 --> 00:12:48.555 at play there's age considerations, 00:12:48.584 --> 00:12:50.865 gender, build, all of these things. 00:12:50.925 --> 00:12:53.235 Training, if you're aware of it, you know, 00:12:53.235 --> 00:12:56.145 it might be that somebody you've had a dispute with 00:12:56.145 --> 00:12:58.155 somebody online, they show up at your house 00:12:58.844 --> 00:13:01.935 and you know, this guy is, you know, serious 00:13:01.935 --> 00:13:05.505 ex-military and you're not, you know, that may 00:13:05.505 --> 00:13:06.615 weigh into it right. 00:13:07.094 --> 00:13:08.865 You know, are you going to win a 00:13:08.865 --> 00:13:10.155 hand-to-hand transaction? 00:13:10.155 --> 00:13:11.594 And what kind of damage are you 00:13:11.594 --> 00:13:12.555 likely to sustain? 00:13:12.584 --> 00:13:15.974 Because the court doesn't want to see lethal force 00:13:15.974 --> 00:13:19.125 used, unless there's a risk of you being 00:13:19.125 --> 00:13:22.305 killed or seriously, seriously, injured. 00:13:22.755 --> 00:13:25.215 You know, not just this is going to hurt, but 00:13:25.635 --> 00:13:28.905 this may affect you going on, you know, in future. 00:13:29.895 --> 00:13:34.215 So, but the real simple rule of thumb is just if 00:13:34.215 --> 00:13:35.355 you've got other options. 00:13:35.415 --> 00:13:38.385 And frankly, if you're still thinking about 00:13:38.385 --> 00:13:41.355 this question, like if this question of, can I 00:13:41.355 --> 00:13:43.785 shoot this guy is really even something that could 00:13:43.795 --> 00:13:44.775 enter into your head. 00:13:45.675 --> 00:13:47.595 The answer should be no, you know, find 00:13:47.605 --> 00:13:48.375 another solution. 00:13:49.065 --> 00:13:51.225 Um, the times when sort of it tends to 00:13:51.225 --> 00:13:54.375 be more justified are somebody's charging you 00:13:54.375 --> 00:13:57.015 with a weapon and you don't have time for this 00:13:57.015 --> 00:13:58.005 kind of introspection. 00:13:58.005 --> 00:13:58.995 It's just going to happen. 00:14:00.315 --> 00:14:03.975 And yeah, I really wish I could give a simple 00:14:03.975 --> 00:14:06.165 answer to this one, but there just isn't a simple 00:14:06.165 --> 00:14:09.915 answer other than, even if you win, you're going 00:14:09.915 --> 00:14:10.815 to hate the result. 00:14:11.505 --> 00:14:15.975 So if at the point where you'd be okay with 00:14:15.975 --> 00:14:17.865 spending the rest of your life in jail pulling 00:14:17.865 --> 00:14:20.505 that trigger, that's probably the point where 00:14:20.555 --> 00:14:23.385 you start to hit uh, legal justifications. 00:14:24.045 --> 00:14:25.695 Uh, because otherwise, you know, you're talking 00:14:25.695 --> 00:14:28.575 about somebody crippling you or, uh, you know, 00:14:28.575 --> 00:14:29.355 or murdering you. 00:14:30.975 --> 00:14:31.365 Wow. 00:14:31.965 --> 00:14:32.505 Thank you. 00:14:32.595 --> 00:14:35.055 Yeah, like I say, not an easy one at all. 00:14:35.585 --> 00:14:39.005 No, it's, uh, it's one of the more complicated 00:14:39.005 --> 00:14:41.645 and difficult areas of, you know, of law and 00:14:41.645 --> 00:14:43.895 it's always going to come down to arguments, 00:14:44.465 --> 00:14:46.745 um, sometimes over really subtle things. 00:14:47.165 --> 00:14:51.365 You know, did the guy actually start to charge 00:14:51.395 --> 00:14:53.435 forward when you pulled the trigger or was he 00:14:53.435 --> 00:14:54.245 just standing there? 00:14:54.935 --> 00:14:57.875 Um, did he have a knife versus not? 00:14:57.965 --> 00:15:00.635 Uh, sometimes people think they see a 00:15:00.635 --> 00:15:01.865 knife and they don't. 00:15:02.525 --> 00:15:05.165 Um, so that becomes a thing because mistakes 00:15:05.195 --> 00:15:06.365 are relevant, you know? 00:15:06.365 --> 00:15:09.995 And the question of how sure am I about this, is 00:15:09.995 --> 00:15:11.045 a good question to ask. 00:15:11.045 --> 00:15:13.355 I will tell you you're in a much better 00:15:13.355 --> 00:15:15.725 situation in terms of a self-defense argument. 00:15:15.755 --> 00:15:19.350 If that guy has a knife versus if you're like, 00:15:19.350 --> 00:15:21.690 well, I thought he had a knife, but he didn't. 00:15:22.350 --> 00:15:22.860 Right. 00:15:23.130 --> 00:15:25.560 You know, um, all of these get to be 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:30.030 interesting questions and, um, and the 00:15:30.030 --> 00:15:31.920 crown tends to be very willing to proceed 00:15:31.920 --> 00:15:32.970 with charges in these. 00:15:33.060 --> 00:15:35.820 Uh, I just recently did a video where a woman who, 00:15:36.420 --> 00:15:39.420 uh, she was apparently beaten quite badly, 00:15:39.420 --> 00:15:42.090 you know, broken ribs could barely breathe. 00:15:42.570 --> 00:15:44.790 Uh, she manages to get ahold of a knife 00:15:44.790 --> 00:15:47.160 in the course of this altercation and stabs 00:15:47.160 --> 00:15:50.550 the guy once in the leg and he dies and, 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:53.370 but she had serious injuries and she was 00:15:53.370 --> 00:15:55.950 almost certainly smaller than this guy was, you 00:15:55.950 --> 00:15:59.400 know, and this guy, you know, has a record, 00:15:59.400 --> 00:16:00.240 all of this stuff. 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:02.850 They still charged her with murder. 00:16:02.880 --> 00:16:04.350 They didn't proceed with the charges to 00:16:04.350 --> 00:16:07.230 trial, but she spent a month in jail. 00:16:07.950 --> 00:16:08.520 Wow. 00:16:09.030 --> 00:16:11.280 You know, and think about you as an 00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:12.180 ordinary person. 00:16:12.180 --> 00:16:13.680 Like what does a month in jail do? 00:16:15.045 --> 00:16:18.105 Um, your job, they're not going to stick around 00:16:18.105 --> 00:16:21.075 with you, you know, for a month while you're facing 00:16:21.075 --> 00:16:24.675 murder charges, you're, it doesn't matter how 00:16:24.675 --> 00:16:25.845 much your boss likes you. 00:16:25.905 --> 00:16:27.075 They don't like you that much. 00:16:27.555 --> 00:16:28.045 They will drop. 00:16:28.045 --> 00:16:29.645 Your social network, the gossip. 00:16:30.135 --> 00:16:30.405 Yeah. 00:16:30.615 --> 00:16:33.675 Well, and I mean, you know, that'll 00:16:33.675 --> 00:16:35.175 get reported in the news as well. 00:16:35.175 --> 00:16:37.785 So any time anybody looks you up, which 00:16:37.815 --> 00:16:39.435 employers do all the time, they're going 00:16:39.435 --> 00:16:40.935 to see murder charge. 00:16:42.135 --> 00:16:43.275 That'll be a big thing. 00:16:43.455 --> 00:16:48.105 Um, your, your, you know, your landlord, probably 00:16:48.105 --> 00:16:50.835 not so keen on you missing a month of rent. 00:16:52.365 --> 00:16:55.125 So lots of people sort of get out in a situation 00:16:55.125 --> 00:16:56.565 like this and they find that their life 00:16:56.565 --> 00:16:57.675 is entirely destroyed. 00:16:58.185 --> 00:17:00.465 You know, hey, you've got bail on murder. 00:17:00.975 --> 00:17:03.255 Um, your friends don't want to talk to you, 00:17:04.665 --> 00:17:07.095 your job isn't going to take your phone calls. 00:17:07.275 --> 00:17:08.325 They're telling you you're banned 00:17:08.325 --> 00:17:08.954 from the site. 00:17:09.555 --> 00:17:12.645 Um, your landlord has evicted you and thrown 00:17:12.645 --> 00:17:13.734 your stuff in a dumpster. 00:17:15.694 --> 00:17:16.064 You know, so. 00:17:16.064 --> 00:17:16.814 Massive. 00:17:17.265 --> 00:17:18.285 Yeah, lots of people are like. 00:17:18.285 --> 00:17:18.885 Life altering. 00:17:20.065 --> 00:17:21.975 Hey, I won in the self-defense case, 00:17:21.975 --> 00:17:23.655 but I ended up homeless for awhile. 00:17:23.685 --> 00:17:24.405 That kind of thing. 00:17:25.175 --> 00:17:25.505 Yeah. 00:17:26.495 --> 00:17:27.035 Good point. 00:17:27.995 --> 00:17:31.505 So we have another person who says that 00:17:31.505 --> 00:17:33.605 they own firearms that have been prohibited 00:17:33.755 --> 00:17:36.245 by the recent ordering council prohibition 00:17:36.335 --> 00:17:37.505 that they're moving. 00:17:37.565 --> 00:17:39.605 And they've asked for an authorization to 00:17:39.605 --> 00:17:42.275 transport, but the firearms program, 00:17:42.305 --> 00:17:44.885 isn't giving them an ATT for that. 00:17:44.885 --> 00:17:47.015 I don't know if this is typical or just happens, 00:17:47.015 --> 00:17:50.345 is this one individual, but they want, yeah. 00:17:50.795 --> 00:17:53.525 Sometimes people are being able to get ATTs. 00:17:53.555 --> 00:17:56.615 Often the CFO is saying, no, you don't need one. 00:17:56.945 --> 00:17:58.265 Uh, we're not going to give you one. 00:17:58.865 --> 00:18:02.585 Um, really, if you can try to press them to 00:18:02.585 --> 00:18:05.495 give you an ATT anyway, because the circumstance 00:18:05.495 --> 00:18:07.325 that may come up is let's say you're moving 00:18:07.475 --> 00:18:12.150 and the police say, Hey, you've got this firearm, 00:18:12.210 --> 00:18:13.650 it's a restricted firearm, or it's a 00:18:13.650 --> 00:18:15.690 prohibited firearm, where's your ATT? 00:18:16.650 --> 00:18:18.660 Um, you can't show one and they go, great, 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:21.090 you're in custody while we figure out the ins 00:18:21.090 --> 00:18:24.300 and outs of the order and counsel, um, there's 00:18:24.300 --> 00:18:26.400 actually an amnesty order that went with it. 00:18:26.520 --> 00:18:28.590 And one of the things that it provides for is 00:18:28.590 --> 00:18:31.890 transporting a firearm to where it's going 00:18:31.890 --> 00:18:33.780 to be stored, pending whatever disposition. 00:18:34.580 --> 00:18:37.580 So that would, would seem to include moving. 00:18:37.850 --> 00:18:39.200 You know, if you're moving house, you 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.260 obviously can't leave it there, but I you're 00:18:42.260 --> 00:18:44.030 going to want it to read the amnesty 00:18:44.030 --> 00:18:45.260 order very carefully. 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:47.300 Because one of the things that says is 00:18:47.870 --> 00:18:49.960 can't be in a vehicle with, ammunition. 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:51.750 Hmm. 00:18:51.850 --> 00:18:54.080 Now most people who are moving, are moving 00:18:54.080 --> 00:18:55.160 everything all at once. 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:55.370 Right. 00:18:55.370 --> 00:18:57.350 You write a big moving truck, you throw all 00:18:57.350 --> 00:18:58.310 your stuff in there. 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.550 And I don't know anybody who doesn't, who shoots, 00:19:01.580 --> 00:19:03.610 who doesn't have at least some ammunition 00:19:03.610 --> 00:19:05.310 on hand at all times. 00:19:05.340 --> 00:19:05.590 Right. 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:06.150 Right. 00:19:06.170 --> 00:19:08.390 Because if you decide, Hey, I want 00:19:08.390 --> 00:19:08.900 to go to the ranch. 00:19:10.035 --> 00:19:11.885 You want to be able to just grab your ammo and 00:19:11.955 --> 00:19:15.645 go, you know, the gun store is not always open. 00:19:16.065 --> 00:19:18.105 And you know, often if I'm going to the 00:19:18.105 --> 00:19:21.105 range, it's like 8:00 AM head off to the range, 00:19:21.105 --> 00:19:22.155 spend the day shooting. 00:19:22.755 --> 00:19:24.585 Uh, you don't want to go 8:00 AM drive 00:19:24.585 --> 00:19:26.295 to the gun store, pick up ammunition, 00:19:26.325 --> 00:19:28.465 drive home, pick up your restricted's. 00:19:29.445 --> 00:19:30.375 Yeah, that doesn't make sense. 00:19:30.735 --> 00:19:34.155 So, um, this whole thing of you're driving your 00:19:34.155 --> 00:19:35.415 prohibited firearms. 00:19:35.535 --> 00:19:38.325 They can't be in the same truck as the ammunition. 00:19:38.325 --> 00:19:40.245 You've got to make some separate trip. 00:19:41.055 --> 00:19:43.335 And for some people, this has been a big deal. 00:19:43.335 --> 00:19:44.835 I've talked to people who were like, listen, 00:19:44.835 --> 00:19:49.095 I'm moving from British Columbia to Manitoba. 00:19:50.145 --> 00:19:51.825 What do you mean I got to take two trucks? 00:19:54.415 --> 00:19:54.545 Yes. 00:19:55.325 --> 00:19:58.565 It's a terrible amnesty, it's was really 00:19:58.565 --> 00:19:59.495 poorly thought out. 00:20:00.035 --> 00:20:04.685 Um, honestly, as with a lot of these things, it 00:20:04.685 --> 00:20:06.605 seems like they don't have anybody in the room. 00:20:07.350 --> 00:20:10.830 Who might be affected by these things or who even, 00:20:11.310 --> 00:20:13.710 you know, has experience with shooting, who could 00:20:13.710 --> 00:20:16.950 say, wait a minute guys, what about this problem? 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.760 So, um, it is possible to move 00:20:20.760 --> 00:20:21.930 them without the ATT. 00:20:22.530 --> 00:20:26.430 Um, you will, however want to make sure that 00:20:26.430 --> 00:20:28.590 you are careful in reading the amnesty. 00:20:29.879 --> 00:20:31.530 The other thing is if you own some of these 00:20:31.530 --> 00:20:33.270 firearms that are prohibited by the OIC, 00:20:33.270 --> 00:20:35.610 you may also own other restricted firearms. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.520 In which case, like, what is the harm of them 00:20:38.520 --> 00:20:40.980 adding the prohibited firearm to the ATT. 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:44.895 You know, oh we're listing 10 firearms 00:20:44.895 --> 00:20:46.605 that you're moving, but we're not going 00:20:46.605 --> 00:20:48.014 to list that 11th one. 00:20:48.995 --> 00:20:49.475 I know. 00:20:49.504 --> 00:20:51.695 I think there, there might be a fear 00:20:51.695 --> 00:20:53.225 that they're getting trapped into something 00:20:53.225 --> 00:20:56.245 by legitimizing it by issuing an ATT. 00:20:56.645 --> 00:20:57.185 I don't know. 00:20:57.465 --> 00:20:57.645 Yeah. 00:20:57.645 --> 00:20:58.715 I don't know either, it's. 00:20:58.715 --> 00:20:59.415 It doesn't make sense. 00:20:59.505 --> 00:21:00.514 It's unnecessary. 00:21:00.514 --> 00:21:02.075 But just having that piece of paper 00:21:02.075 --> 00:21:03.605 can protect you from an officer who 00:21:03.605 --> 00:21:06.215 doesn't necessarily follow the law. 00:21:07.955 --> 00:21:11.195 You know, I am not always the hugest fan of 00:21:11.195 --> 00:21:13.955 police, but I recognize that most police aren't 00:21:14.105 --> 00:21:15.575 trying to be bad guys. 00:21:15.965 --> 00:21:18.004 There's very few police out there who are 00:21:18.004 --> 00:21:19.325 like, I am a bad guy. 00:21:19.835 --> 00:21:20.135 Right. 00:21:20.524 --> 00:21:22.385 What there's a lot of is police who are 00:21:22.385 --> 00:21:25.835 trying their best to deal with a giant 00:21:26.165 --> 00:21:27.995 catastrophe of laws. 00:21:28.685 --> 00:21:31.504 Um, you know, they, haven't gone 00:21:31.504 --> 00:21:32.165 to law school. 00:21:33.050 --> 00:21:35.540 They've taken a much shorter course, and that 00:21:35.540 --> 00:21:37.610 course includes all the other things in policing. 00:21:37.610 --> 00:21:39.620 You know, how to deal with evidence, how 00:21:39.620 --> 00:21:41.090 to talk a guy down. 00:21:41.090 --> 00:21:43.550 If he's looking like he's going to be violent, 00:21:43.550 --> 00:21:46.640 how to use force, if he's being violent, 00:21:47.150 --> 00:21:50.660 um, you know how to talk to a grieving 00:21:50.660 --> 00:21:52.700 widow, how to talk, you know, all of these 00:21:52.700 --> 00:21:53.960 things are in policing. 00:21:54.770 --> 00:21:58.040 And so they only get a little bit of the 00:21:58.040 --> 00:21:59.780 law and they can't, they don't have time 00:21:59.780 --> 00:22:01.880 to follow up with all of the developments 00:22:02.210 --> 00:22:04.100 because you know, something like the order 00:22:04.100 --> 00:22:05.000 in council comes up. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.940 Well, they've got paperwork to report that, 00:22:08.060 --> 00:22:10.580 you know, what happened on that file, where they 00:22:10.580 --> 00:22:13.580 went and somebody's dog bit somebody else, you 00:22:13.580 --> 00:22:16.460 know, they got write down a report about 00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:17.510 this noise complaint. 00:22:17.540 --> 00:22:19.130 They got it, you know, all of these things. 00:22:19.700 --> 00:22:21.800 So they just, they're trying their best. 00:22:23.540 --> 00:22:24.680 But they may not understand 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:25.340 what's going on. 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:27.590 And so they may see prohibited firearm, 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:32.625 no ATT, uh, and you might get it sorted 00:22:32.625 --> 00:22:34.305 out, but you might get it sorted out like 00:22:34.305 --> 00:22:36.395 six hours from then. 00:22:36.615 --> 00:22:37.665 And you know, when you think you're trying to 00:22:37.665 --> 00:22:40.485 move across the country and six hours you were 00:22:40.485 --> 00:22:41.445 spending in a cell. 00:22:43.295 --> 00:22:44.075 No, thank you. 00:22:44.135 --> 00:22:46.475 So make it easy for them, make it easy for them. 00:22:46.655 --> 00:22:46.925 Yeah. 00:22:47.105 --> 00:22:50.435 I would love to see the, uh, I mean, even 00:22:50.435 --> 00:22:52.595 if the CFO would do something like just, 00:22:52.655 --> 00:22:55.295 here's a letter on our letterhead that we'll fax 00:22:55.295 --> 00:22:58.355 you saying, we are aware this person is moving. 00:22:58.355 --> 00:23:01.265 This firearm here is why they don't have an ATT. 00:23:02.075 --> 00:23:03.845 Please present this to any officer. 00:23:03.845 --> 00:23:05.315 And here's a number to call us if 00:23:05.315 --> 00:23:06.004 there's a problem. 00:23:06.725 --> 00:23:08.105 Something like that would make people's 00:23:08.105 --> 00:23:11.315 lives easier, but they, I'm not aware of 00:23:11.315 --> 00:23:12.485 anything like that so. 00:23:13.025 --> 00:23:16.535 You know, uh, running a firearms business 00:23:16.535 --> 00:23:19.625 for quite some time now and dealing with 00:23:19.625 --> 00:23:21.575 the firearms program and you're getting a 00:23:21.575 --> 00:23:23.975 different answer from five different people if 00:23:23.975 --> 00:23:27.605 you phone five times on the same day, I started 00:23:28.305 --> 00:23:29.685 just requesting emails. 00:23:29.685 --> 00:23:30.885 Can you just email me? 00:23:30.965 --> 00:23:31.135 Right. 00:23:31.135 --> 00:23:31.195 Yeah. 00:23:31.195 --> 00:23:33.555 And you know, sometimes they do sometimes. 00:23:33.555 --> 00:23:35.145 Yeah, not a problem, I'll give you an email. 00:23:35.145 --> 00:23:36.495 Here's a, here's a response. 00:23:36.975 --> 00:23:39.045 Um, I know some people will record their 00:23:39.045 --> 00:23:41.115 conversation just as something in their back 00:23:41.115 --> 00:23:42.105 pocket that they have. 00:23:42.105 --> 00:23:44.805 And I think with a single party consent law, 00:23:44.835 --> 00:23:46.365 that's a permissible. 00:23:46.725 --> 00:23:50.265 But I agree having a piece of paper or 00:23:50.265 --> 00:23:51.735 something unofficial letterhead, man, 00:23:51.735 --> 00:23:52.785 that'd be a good, easy, wouldn't it? 00:23:53.375 --> 00:23:53.705 Yeah. 00:23:53.765 --> 00:23:55.535 Just something where you can present it to them 00:23:55.535 --> 00:23:58.985 and say, you know, cause saying, hey, I talked 00:23:58.985 --> 00:24:01.025 to this Runkle guy and here's what he said. 00:24:01.595 --> 00:24:01.745 Right. 00:24:01.745 --> 00:24:04.505 Well, the officer doesn't know me and 00:24:04.535 --> 00:24:07.805 doesn't care and quite possibly, he doesn't 00:24:07.805 --> 00:24:08.975 like me if he does know. 00:24:09.275 --> 00:24:11.695 So, you know, it's uh. 00:24:11.695 --> 00:24:12.375 C'mon now. 00:24:13.035 --> 00:24:15.485 Well, I mean, police have varying opinions 00:24:15.485 --> 00:24:16.385 of defense lawyers. 00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:18.665 There's lots of police out there who will 00:24:18.665 --> 00:24:20.495 say like, you know, if I get in trouble, 00:24:20.495 --> 00:24:21.365 I want a good defense. 00:24:22.185 --> 00:24:24.435 Uh, we recognize that we're all parts of the 00:24:24.435 --> 00:24:25.725 system and so forth. 00:24:25.725 --> 00:24:28.335 And we may have individuals that we 00:24:28.335 --> 00:24:30.435 don't like, or that they do like better. 00:24:31.095 --> 00:24:33.345 Um, but there's some officers and there's 00:24:33.405 --> 00:24:36.675 some defense lawyers, you know, who just don't like 00:24:36.675 --> 00:24:37.825 the other side right. 00:24:37.975 --> 00:24:38.865 Yeah, I've seen that. 00:24:39.225 --> 00:24:41.115 And so you never know, right? 00:24:41.115 --> 00:24:43.695 It's uh, I will say, you know, if I'm being 00:24:43.695 --> 00:24:45.465 stopped by the police at a traffic stop, I 00:24:45.465 --> 00:24:47.415 don't go, hey, I'm a criminal defense lawyer. 00:24:49.985 --> 00:24:51.395 Keep that little tidbit to yourself. 00:24:52.085 --> 00:24:55.625 But, uh, yeah, you never know what they're going 00:24:55.625 --> 00:24:57.575 to think of, hey, I talked to a lawyer and 00:24:57.575 --> 00:24:58.475 this is what they said. 00:24:58.985 --> 00:25:02.615 Um, it's not going to be a whole lot of value. 00:25:04.325 --> 00:25:04.505 Next. 00:25:05.135 --> 00:25:05.525 Oh, sorry. 00:25:05.525 --> 00:25:05.705 Go ahead. 00:25:06.125 --> 00:25:06.665 No problem. 00:25:06.665 --> 00:25:07.985 I was just saying the next one we have 00:25:07.985 --> 00:25:10.955 here is one that I've actually seen a video 00:25:10.955 --> 00:25:12.485 on, on your channel and we'll make sure we 00:25:12.485 --> 00:25:13.595 link that over as well. 00:25:13.655 --> 00:25:16.385 Actually a number of them on the list here, but 00:25:17.855 --> 00:25:20.135 I've heard this question over and over again. 00:25:20.135 --> 00:25:23.775 And it's about, is my firearm considered loaded 00:25:23.805 --> 00:25:26.505 if I have, let's say a side saddle or a little 00:25:26.505 --> 00:25:30.015 sleeve or sock on the, on the stock where I can put 00:25:30.015 --> 00:25:32.985 ammunition in storage, is that considered loaded? 00:25:33.815 --> 00:25:36.245 And this is one of these things where it's, I 00:25:36.245 --> 00:25:39.755 can't give a 100% answer, however I can give a, 00:25:40.445 --> 00:25:42.005 a pretty good answer. 00:25:42.005 --> 00:25:44.345 One that I'm pretty confident in, but 00:25:44.345 --> 00:25:45.665 the court could go the other way. 00:25:46.235 --> 00:25:48.425 Um, now interestingly, there isn't actually 00:25:48.425 --> 00:25:50.945 a definition of loaded in the appropriate 00:25:50.945 --> 00:25:51.665 regulations. 00:25:51.665 --> 00:25:53.085 There's a definition of unloaded. 00:25:53.085 --> 00:25:53.175 Okay. 00:25:53.705 --> 00:25:56.615 So firearm has to be unloaded. 00:25:57.275 --> 00:26:01.025 And presumably that means not anything other 00:26:01.025 --> 00:26:03.485 than this definition, but it says in respect 00:26:03.485 --> 00:26:05.075 of a firearm means that any propellant, 00:26:05.105 --> 00:26:07.385 projectile, or cartridge that can be discharged 00:26:07.385 --> 00:26:09.125 from the firearm is not contained in the breach 00:26:09.185 --> 00:26:11.735 or firing chamber of the firearm, nor in 00:26:11.735 --> 00:26:14.285 the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted 00:26:14.285 --> 00:26:15.035 into the firearm. 00:26:15.965 --> 00:26:19.605 Now, in terms of a sidesaddle, a sidesaddle 00:26:19.605 --> 00:26:22.125 isn't typically considered a cartridge 00:26:22.125 --> 00:26:24.645 magazine because the cartridge magazine 00:26:24.645 --> 00:26:26.655 is something that feeds into the sort 00:26:26.655 --> 00:26:27.585 of the firing path. 00:26:28.245 --> 00:26:29.625 And I'm just trying to see if I can 00:26:29.625 --> 00:26:31.905 pull up the actual definition of cartridge 00:26:31.905 --> 00:26:33.135 magazine here, but. 00:26:34.095 --> 00:26:34.575 Generally. 00:26:35.325 --> 00:26:38.295 Like a side saddle doesn't feed into the 00:26:38.295 --> 00:26:41.565 firearm, except possibly by action of your hand. 00:26:42.345 --> 00:26:44.505 And if we're including action of your hand 00:26:44.505 --> 00:26:47.895 in the whole equation there, then everything 00:26:47.895 --> 00:26:50.565 is a cartridge magazine because your pocket, 00:26:50.865 --> 00:26:52.605 you can, you know, a side saddle just 00:26:52.605 --> 00:26:53.295 like your pocket. 00:26:53.745 --> 00:26:54.075 Right. 00:26:54.525 --> 00:26:56.865 And if every container is a cartridge 00:26:56.865 --> 00:26:59.835 magazine, then we end up into a horrible 00:26:59.835 --> 00:27:01.875 land of everything in the world is bad. 00:27:03.515 --> 00:27:04.635 I got a bag of chips here. 00:27:05.145 --> 00:27:06.725 Cartridge magazine. 00:27:07.235 --> 00:27:08.915 If we're going to consider, you know, 00:27:09.035 --> 00:27:12.665 operation of the hand to be, I could fit 00:27:12.665 --> 00:27:15.125 a whole lot of .22, you know, cartridges. 00:27:16.425 --> 00:27:18.795 You know,.308, .223, whatever you 00:27:18.795 --> 00:27:19.665 want to talk about. 00:27:20.955 --> 00:27:23.565 Certainly, you know, more than 10, more than five. 00:27:23.595 --> 00:27:25.875 So is this a prohibited device? 00:27:26.145 --> 00:27:28.004 I can't see the court ever wanting to get 00:27:28.004 --> 00:27:29.075 into that scenario. 00:27:29.375 --> 00:27:31.415 Yeah, that gets pretty, pretty crazy, pretty 00:27:31.415 --> 00:27:32.195 quick, doesn't it? 00:27:32.375 --> 00:27:32.675 Yeah. 00:27:32.764 --> 00:27:35.075 And so they say cartridge magazine means a device 00:27:35.075 --> 00:27:36.665 or container from which ammunition may 00:27:36.665 --> 00:27:38.795 be fed into the firing chamber of a firearm. 00:27:39.305 --> 00:27:41.645 Uh, I would sort of say that the proper 00:27:41.645 --> 00:27:44.524 interpretation of that would be by action of 00:27:44.524 --> 00:27:47.915 the firearm, which, you know, you moving 00:27:47.915 --> 00:27:49.115 a bolt would count. 00:27:49.625 --> 00:27:51.485 Um, these, uh, semiautomatic 00:27:51.695 --> 00:27:52.805 action would count. 00:27:53.405 --> 00:27:56.045 Uh, but not you physically moving 00:27:56.045 --> 00:27:57.995 it a cartridge with your hands. 00:27:59.135 --> 00:28:01.535 Um, now I can't say that for certain, because a 00:28:01.535 --> 00:28:04.264 court could say could go in some weird direction, 00:28:04.325 --> 00:28:07.115 but if they do, they're going to enter into 00:28:07.115 --> 00:28:10.455 crazy town land where we suddenly banned you know, 00:28:10.455 --> 00:28:14.715 backpacks and Ziploc bags and all sorts of things. 00:28:15.004 --> 00:28:17.195 And there's going to be a YouTube video 00:28:17.225 --> 00:28:18.095 all about that. 00:28:18.095 --> 00:28:19.695 If they go over there, I'm sure. 00:28:19.865 --> 00:28:21.815 Oh it would just be like, they have 00:28:21.815 --> 00:28:22.655 really screwed up. 00:28:22.715 --> 00:28:25.235 But, uh, the other sort of interesting 00:28:25.235 --> 00:28:27.004 question is, let's say you've got yourself a 00:28:27.004 --> 00:28:29.225 cartridge magazine and you know, I'll show the 00:28:29.225 --> 00:28:32.555 pin just in case the RCMP is watching, pinned 00:28:32.555 --> 00:28:35.435 magazine here folks, not a, not an unpinned. 00:28:36.004 --> 00:28:38.524 Um, but let's say you take this and you 00:28:38.524 --> 00:28:41.915 decide to duct tape it to your firearm. 00:28:42.815 --> 00:28:45.845 Would that count as attached to or inserted 00:28:45.845 --> 00:28:46.655 into the firearm? 00:28:47.284 --> 00:28:50.075 A court could say yes, on a very technical 00:28:50.075 --> 00:28:53.014 reading, I'd say the proper interpretation, 00:28:53.014 --> 00:28:54.905 and one that I'd hope a court would go with 00:28:54.935 --> 00:28:56.045 would be to say no. 00:28:56.495 --> 00:28:58.745 When they say attached to are inserted into, 00:28:58.745 --> 00:29:01.895 they mean in a way, uh, it seems clear to me 00:29:01.895 --> 00:29:03.635 on reading this, that they mean in a way where 00:29:03.635 --> 00:29:06.085 it's actually completing the firing path. 00:29:06.085 --> 00:29:07.825 Mhmm, yeah I'd think so. 00:29:08.205 --> 00:29:11.595 But I mean, I also have like a 10/22 with a 00:29:11.625 --> 00:29:14.325 backpacker stock that has a little compartment 00:29:14.325 --> 00:29:16.245 that opens up where you can store magazines. 00:29:16.545 --> 00:29:16.875 Right. 00:29:17.415 --> 00:29:20.925 That's into the firearm, but it's not into the 00:29:20.925 --> 00:29:24.465 firearm in a way that allows for firing or 00:29:24.465 --> 00:29:25.955 feeding or the like, so. 00:29:25.955 --> 00:29:26.825 What a quagmire. 00:29:26.825 --> 00:29:30.135 I think, I think properly a court should interpret 00:29:30.135 --> 00:29:33.825 this as unloaded, but I put that at like 00:29:33.825 --> 00:29:36.735 80% in terms of if that question ends up 00:29:36.735 --> 00:29:37.515 in front of a court. 00:29:38.235 --> 00:29:39.795 Um, so yeah. 00:29:39.925 --> 00:29:41.475 Definitely, maybe, I love it. 00:29:42.585 --> 00:29:42.855 Yep. 00:29:43.035 --> 00:29:46.245 It's that's the situation we end up with a lot, 00:29:46.305 --> 00:29:49.755 um, side settles, I'd say like 95%. 00:29:50.535 --> 00:29:54.675 Um, yeah, 95% sure that the court would 00:29:54.675 --> 00:29:55.485 find it to be fine. 00:29:57.065 --> 00:29:59.345 Well, next one was about loaded firearms 00:29:59.435 --> 00:30:00.305 in a vehicle. 00:30:00.305 --> 00:30:02.195 Of course you can't have a loaded firearm 00:30:02.195 --> 00:30:05.490 in a vehicle in Canada, but what about, let's 00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:08.429 say your doing some target shooting or your 00:30:08.429 --> 00:30:10.800 hunting, and you wanted to use the hood of your 00:30:10.800 --> 00:30:12.419 vehicle as a steady rest. 00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:15.500 So this is going to depend on your province 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:16.550 and you're going to have to read your 00:30:16.550 --> 00:30:18.889 provincial regulations because lots of them 00:30:18.889 --> 00:30:20.449 have different rules. 00:30:20.449 --> 00:30:23.959 In some provinces, for instance, um, discharging 00:30:23.959 --> 00:30:26.899 a firearm within X many meters of a vehicle, 00:30:27.590 --> 00:30:29.060 is itself an offense. 00:30:29.510 --> 00:30:31.129 And so it isn't the fact that you're 00:30:31.129 --> 00:30:32.699 using it as a rest. 00:30:32.719 --> 00:30:35.330 In fact, if you were using a rock next to the 00:30:35.330 --> 00:30:37.340 vehicle as a rest, they'd still go after you. 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:39.530 Um, but. 00:30:39.530 --> 00:30:40.040 Interesting. 00:30:40.429 --> 00:30:44.300 Some places say things like not inside or 00:30:44.360 --> 00:30:47.750 on a vehicle and what they meet, what they're 00:30:47.810 --> 00:30:49.850 probably trying to capture in terms of the, 00:30:49.850 --> 00:30:52.040 on a vehicle is like somebody who's riding 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:53.000 in the bed of a truck. 00:30:54.290 --> 00:30:54.620 Right. 00:30:55.219 --> 00:30:57.530 But the on seems to me that it would 00:30:57.530 --> 00:30:59.570 probably capture using it as a rest. 00:31:01.020 --> 00:31:03.240 I can't sort of give a, a blanket answer 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.250 here because we got a whole lot of provinces. 00:31:06.060 --> 00:31:07.560 I haven't even read all of the different 00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:11.010 provinces hunting rules, but check 00:31:11.010 --> 00:31:12.870 your regulations real carefully. 00:31:13.560 --> 00:31:15.030 Um, you don't want to mess with 00:31:15.030 --> 00:31:15.929 fish and wildlife. 00:31:15.959 --> 00:31:18.240 They actually tend to have some pretty giant 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.469 fines available to them. 00:31:20.610 --> 00:31:22.139 And so you get people going, you know, what 00:31:22.139 --> 00:31:23.879 do you mean the fish and wildlife guys want 00:31:23.879 --> 00:31:25.139 20 grand in fines. 00:31:25.169 --> 00:31:27.209 And it's like, well, that's what 00:31:27.209 --> 00:31:28.050 they're asking for. 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.459 People may get lesser fines than that, but they 00:31:32.459 --> 00:31:35.070 tend to come in asking for real high numbers. 00:31:36.379 --> 00:31:36.590 Yeah. 00:31:36.590 --> 00:31:37.550 And they got teeth too. 00:31:37.550 --> 00:31:38.719 They seem to be able to get what 00:31:38.719 --> 00:31:39.530 they're asking for. 00:31:40.100 --> 00:31:41.990 They have a lot of powers of searching. 00:31:42.199 --> 00:31:44.540 And so they'll often get warrants to say 00:31:44.540 --> 00:31:45.889 like, hey, we want to go and look through 00:31:45.889 --> 00:31:47.750 somebody's house, looking for, you know, 00:31:48.590 --> 00:31:51.169 any poached animals and those kinds of things. 00:31:51.169 --> 00:31:53.959 So, um, you never really want to be 00:31:53.959 --> 00:31:55.969 on the receiving end of a home search. 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.199 They're very stressful. 00:31:57.199 --> 00:32:00.524 They're very invasive and yeah. 00:32:01.575 --> 00:32:01.965 Okay. 00:32:01.995 --> 00:32:03.585 Well, what about the next one talking about 00:32:03.585 --> 00:32:05.865 replica firearms and this person's a little 00:32:05.865 --> 00:32:08.294 bit confused over what a replica firearm might be. 00:32:08.585 --> 00:32:11.585 So replica firearms currently are basically 00:32:11.585 --> 00:32:14.315 things that closely resemble with near 00:32:14.315 --> 00:32:18.365 precision an actual firearm, but are not 00:32:18.365 --> 00:32:19.504 themselves firearms. 00:32:19.595 --> 00:32:21.425 And when I say actual firearm, I mean, 00:32:21.425 --> 00:32:23.615 something that really exists in the world. 00:32:24.095 --> 00:32:27.245 So if you design something that, uh, looks 00:32:27.245 --> 00:32:32.705 like, um, you know, some fictional like the, uh, 00:32:32.764 --> 00:32:34.205 the rifle from halo say. 00:32:34.985 --> 00:32:37.385 You know, which is a firearm that 00:32:37.385 --> 00:32:39.425 doesn't exist, it's a fictional item. 00:32:39.905 --> 00:32:41.825 So if you have something that replicates that, 00:32:41.855 --> 00:32:44.135 you're not looking at a replica firearm, because 00:32:44.135 --> 00:32:45.665 it's not a real firearm. 00:32:46.504 --> 00:32:48.784 Um, even though it might look like it could be a 00:32:48.784 --> 00:32:50.675 firearm, you know, you can design something 00:32:50.675 --> 00:32:51.395 that looks like it. 00:32:52.595 --> 00:32:55.445 You know, that looks like a handgun, but so long 00:32:55.445 --> 00:32:58.535 as it doesn't look like a handgun that actually 00:32:58.535 --> 00:32:59.515 exists in the world. 00:33:00.285 --> 00:33:00.375 Okay. 00:33:00.375 --> 00:33:01.199 It's going to be fine. 00:33:01.800 --> 00:33:04.949 Um, near precision is, gets to be a matter 00:33:04.949 --> 00:33:06.929 of debate, you know, what does that mean? 00:33:06.929 --> 00:33:09.360 Although the courts in terms of import 00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:12.360 rules have said like colour probably isn't 00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:13.080 enough to do it. 00:33:13.919 --> 00:33:18.000 Um, but like size might be, uh, there's all sorts 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.800 of things that factor into it, including, you 00:33:19.800 --> 00:33:22.050 know, coloration, size. 00:33:22.379 --> 00:33:24.030 Um, does it have moving parts? 00:33:24.060 --> 00:33:25.530 Does it have branding on it? 00:33:26.010 --> 00:33:29.070 Um, does it, uh, does it have the 00:33:29.070 --> 00:33:30.090 same sort of weight? 00:33:30.300 --> 00:33:32.189 Does it have, you know, all of these 00:33:32.189 --> 00:33:34.770 sorts of things and it ends up being kind 00:33:34.770 --> 00:33:35.610 of a judgment call. 00:33:36.209 --> 00:33:36.659 Okay. 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:40.229 But, uh, the not a firearm part is kind 00:33:40.229 --> 00:33:42.600 of critical here because most people 00:33:42.600 --> 00:33:44.310 don't understand what firearm means. 00:33:44.310 --> 00:33:46.469 There's two sort of steps of gun. 00:33:47.250 --> 00:33:49.860 Step one is, can it shoot a projectile 00:33:49.860 --> 00:33:52.139 through a barrel that can cause serious 00:33:52.139 --> 00:33:53.840 bodily injury or death? 00:33:54.350 --> 00:33:56.760 So pellet guns and airsoft guns and 00:33:56.760 --> 00:33:58.920 paintball guns are all firearms under this 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:00.629 definition because they can put your eye out. 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:01.410 Right. 00:34:01.560 --> 00:34:03.810 We, we really have the, put your eye out 00:34:03.810 --> 00:34:07.740 test in Canada, but a lot of these things 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.889 are what I call 84 sub three firearms, which 00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:12.389 means you don't need a license for them. 00:34:12.989 --> 00:34:14.759 And they don't count as a firearm for 00:34:14.759 --> 00:34:17.100 certain purposes of the criminal code, but they 00:34:17.100 --> 00:34:19.770 do for other purposes of the criminal code. 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.179 And it's very complicated. 00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:26.909 So, um, this is why a nail gun, for instance, 00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:29.610 doesn't count as a firearm, you know, when 00:34:29.610 --> 00:34:33.090 you're going to the Home Depot to buy one, but it 00:34:33.090 --> 00:34:35.100 would count as a firearm if you were to use it 00:34:35.100 --> 00:34:38.190 to rob a convenience store, you know. 00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:42.630 Or if you actually go and, you know, drive 00:34:42.630 --> 00:34:45.300 nails into somebody that would be, you know, 00:34:45.870 --> 00:34:48.029 using a firearm on the person, discharging a 00:34:48.029 --> 00:34:51.285 firearm with intent to wound, kind of thing so. 00:34:51.825 --> 00:34:52.305 Okay. 00:34:52.665 --> 00:34:53.535 Um, yeah. 00:34:53.535 --> 00:34:57.195 So airsoft guns, you know, currently, 00:34:57.345 --> 00:34:58.935 although the government is trying to change 00:34:58.935 --> 00:35:01.305 this, uh, airsoft governance currently 00:35:01.725 --> 00:35:03.615 avoid being called replicas because they 00:35:03.615 --> 00:35:04.935 are actually firearms. 00:35:05.825 --> 00:35:06.335 Right. 00:35:06.905 --> 00:35:08.465 They can discharge a projectile, they got 00:35:08.465 --> 00:35:10.995 a barrel and it can cause bodily harm. 00:35:12.215 --> 00:35:13.505 Ralphie and Randy must have written 00:35:13.505 --> 00:35:14.495 that one, I tell ya. 00:35:15.275 --> 00:35:18.575 Uh, just complicated laws and working 00:35:18.575 --> 00:35:20.345 in ways that maybe people didn't expect. 00:35:21.045 --> 00:35:24.965 I remember picking up some, uh, ASP, 00:35:25.235 --> 00:35:27.155 uh, training guns. 00:35:27.155 --> 00:35:28.565 It just rubber basically. 00:35:28.565 --> 00:35:30.455 And they're, they're bright red and being 00:35:30.455 --> 00:35:32.075 told at one point that those are replica 00:35:32.075 --> 00:35:33.935 firearms and there's some debate over it. 00:35:34.775 --> 00:35:37.025 Eventually we got them all and everyone agreed 00:35:37.025 --> 00:35:39.605 that they probably aren't replica firearms, but it, 00:35:39.695 --> 00:35:41.945 it seems to be something that comes up and down 00:35:41.945 --> 00:35:44.105 over the years, what's replica and what isn't. 00:35:44.195 --> 00:35:47.115 And that's, uh, uh, the points you raised 00:35:47.115 --> 00:35:48.435 are interesting. 00:35:48.635 --> 00:35:51.000 Uh, well, and I get, uh, sometimes people 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.020 who are, uh, uh, so they do leather 00:35:55.020 --> 00:35:55.980 work for instance. 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.680 And so they want to import like 00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:00.210 blue guns, right. 00:36:00.270 --> 00:36:02.160 Just, you know, they don't want an actual 00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:04.410 gun, but they want to be able to make a holster 00:36:04.410 --> 00:36:05.350 for a particular gun. 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.190 You know, a customer says, I have this gun, 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:09.840 I want a holster for it. 00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:12.540 And the leather workers, like I don't 00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:14.010 shoot, I don't have any interest in it. 00:36:14.010 --> 00:36:15.240 Please don't send me the gun. 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:17.640 But they look at ordering, you know, a 00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:19.890 blue gun to match the shape just so that they 00:36:19.890 --> 00:36:22.230 can, you know, craft the leather holster around 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:25.500 it, which often involves like soaking and pressing 00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:26.850 and, you know, forming. 00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:27.330 Yep. 00:36:28.050 --> 00:36:30.810 And, uh, you know, and you might not want w 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.630 wet leathers sitting against your, you 00:36:33.630 --> 00:36:34.980 know, precious gun. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.060 So sometimes these get seized at the border, 00:36:39.270 --> 00:36:40.920 not withstanding the fact that, you know, when I 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.365 say blue gun, they're named this because 00:36:43.365 --> 00:36:44.535 they are bright blue. 00:36:44.805 --> 00:36:45.435 That's right. 00:36:45.975 --> 00:36:48.105 And you know, when you're looking at them sort of 00:36:48.105 --> 00:36:52.004 front on, they don't have like a, they've got sort 00:36:52.004 --> 00:36:53.955 of a barrel protrusion, but it's solid. 00:36:54.944 --> 00:36:56.865 You know, if somebody's pointing a gun at me 00:36:56.865 --> 00:36:58.845 and I'm looking at it and it's bright blue 00:36:58.845 --> 00:37:02.685 and there's no actual hole in the barrel, I'm 00:37:02.685 --> 00:37:05.025 kind of thinking I'm not super concerned. 00:37:05.055 --> 00:37:06.975 Maybe they'll hit me with it and that would hurt. 00:37:07.515 --> 00:37:10.185 But, um, you know, I'm not thinking that they're 00:37:10.185 --> 00:37:13.395 going to shoot me with this thing, but sometimes 00:37:13.395 --> 00:37:14.145 those get seized. 00:37:15.964 --> 00:37:18.035 Well, what about, okay, I'm looking at the next 00:37:18.035 --> 00:37:20.884 two questions and I'm thinking that they might 00:37:20.884 --> 00:37:23.435 be even easier to answer just by pointing people 00:37:23.435 --> 00:37:25.625 over to your YouTube channel for the next two, 00:37:25.654 --> 00:37:28.924 which is what's happening with the ordering council 00:37:28.924 --> 00:37:30.004 fires prohibition. 00:37:30.095 --> 00:37:32.194 And the next one after that is what are the 00:37:32.194 --> 00:37:34.565 main points of concern regarding the proposed 00:37:34.565 --> 00:37:35.645 BC firearms law? 00:37:36.690 --> 00:37:39.779 So the OIC prohibition is currently a, 00:37:39.779 --> 00:37:41.790 there's a court battle going on on that one. 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.440 It's a civil case. 00:37:43.529 --> 00:37:46.290 And so the civil cases tend to last 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:47.220 just about forever. 00:37:47.850 --> 00:37:50.310 Um, they asked for an injunction against the 00:37:50.310 --> 00:37:52.560 order in council being in effect, um, that was 00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:55.500 not granted, which is not terribly surprising. 00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:58.620 And injunction is a, an extraordinary remedy. 00:37:59.549 --> 00:38:01.860 Um, that's sort of the language of the court. 00:38:01.890 --> 00:38:03.660 It's an unusual remedy. 00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:05.610 There might be a better, there might be 00:38:05.640 --> 00:38:07.200 a reapplication on that. 00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.259 I can't say for certain, um, when, and 00:38:10.259 --> 00:38:12.299 if the amnesty starts looking like it's going 00:38:12.299 --> 00:38:14.460 to run out, because then you might start 00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:17.430 talking about, you know, about additional 00:38:17.430 --> 00:38:19.860 harms, but that one's going to be locked 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:21.270 in court for a while. 00:38:22.529 --> 00:38:24.480 Main points of concern regarding the BC 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.370 proposed firearms law. 00:38:26.430 --> 00:38:27.990 Oh man, there's a whole lot of these. 00:38:28.560 --> 00:38:31.020 Um, one of the big ones is basically that they 00:38:31.049 --> 00:38:34.080 want to reimplement a lot of the criminal 00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:35.080 code provisions. 00:38:35.715 --> 00:38:38.145 And they want to do so in slightly 00:38:38.145 --> 00:38:39.075 different language. 00:38:39.735 --> 00:38:41.595 So what that means is you end up with two 00:38:41.595 --> 00:38:43.815 slightly different wordings that you have 00:38:43.815 --> 00:38:44.955 to comply with both. 00:38:45.765 --> 00:38:47.595 And that becomes a big problem. 00:38:47.715 --> 00:38:51.105 Um, in some cases it may be very difficult 00:38:51.105 --> 00:38:54.015 to travel legally with, uh, with your airsoft 00:38:54.015 --> 00:38:57.315 guns, um, is, may end up shutting down a number 00:38:57.315 --> 00:38:59.174 of fields and so forth. 00:38:59.205 --> 00:39:01.665 There's a whole lot of issues, but I 00:39:01.665 --> 00:39:04.235 think I did several videos on this so. 00:39:04.365 --> 00:39:04.995 Yeah, you did. 00:39:04.995 --> 00:39:07.904 Kind of a, this one is going to be a bit of a 00:39:07.904 --> 00:39:10.065 longer one that I, you know, that I can say. 00:39:10.065 --> 00:39:13.065 I'm just, the problem is really that they're 00:39:13.065 --> 00:39:15.705 trying to reimplement a lot of the firearm laws 00:39:16.005 --> 00:39:19.665 and they missed certain critical exceptions. 00:39:20.654 --> 00:39:23.055 And that means that as a result of it, the 00:39:23.055 --> 00:39:26.535 whole law doesn't do what they need it to do. 00:39:27.225 --> 00:39:30.045 Um, there's a big place where they use firearm 00:39:30.075 --> 00:39:33.600 and what they mean is like real steel, you 00:39:33.600 --> 00:39:37.020 know, your .223, your .308, but they don't 00:39:37.020 --> 00:39:38.850 realize that that also includes airsoft. 00:39:40.490 --> 00:39:42.180 So it's going to end, you know, pellet 00:39:42.180 --> 00:39:43.140 guns and so forth. 00:39:43.140 --> 00:39:45.600 So it's going to end up causing a whole lot 00:39:45.600 --> 00:39:48.600 of problems I don't think they meant to have 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.490 or meant to include. 00:39:51.529 --> 00:39:52.970 Well, it seems to me that they're 00:39:52.970 --> 00:39:55.220 just going to create loophole city here. 00:39:55.250 --> 00:39:57.799 If they have two competing laws 00:39:57.799 --> 00:39:59.720 or legislation or regulation. 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.600 The problem is, is that they're not, um, 00:40:04.100 --> 00:40:06.560 they're not sort of loopholes in the way that 00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:08.720 benefits anybody here. 00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:11.630 They're loopholes in the sense of, uh, they 00:40:11.630 --> 00:40:14.029 can create ways where you might think you're 00:40:14.029 --> 00:40:16.009 in compliance with the law, but you're only 00:40:16.009 --> 00:40:19.640 in compliance with one out of two laws so. 00:40:21.359 --> 00:40:22.049 Okay. 00:40:22.080 --> 00:40:24.359 Um, brass knuckles. 00:40:24.540 --> 00:40:24.810 Okay. 00:40:24.810 --> 00:40:27.590 So brass knuckles are illegal, uh, why are 00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:31.410 carabiner's and Eskimo Ulu, or scissors held 00:40:31.410 --> 00:40:33.270 backwards, not illegal? 00:40:34.100 --> 00:40:36.410 So, um, if we look at the criminal code, 00:40:36.410 --> 00:40:39.140 it's got an interesting sort of provision for 00:40:39.140 --> 00:40:40.220 prohibited weapon. 00:40:40.700 --> 00:40:43.629 So primitive weapon is any sort of flick or 00:40:43.640 --> 00:40:47.959 gravity knife or anything like that, or any weapon 00:40:48.230 --> 00:40:50.029 other than a firearm that is prescribed to 00:40:50.029 --> 00:40:50.959 be a prohibited weapon. 00:40:51.890 --> 00:40:55.009 And so something, these things are not designed 00:40:55.009 --> 00:40:57.680 to be weapons and unless they're being used as 00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.200 weapons, um, they're not going to count 00:41:00.200 --> 00:41:02.480 as prohibited weapons simply because of that, 00:41:02.870 --> 00:41:04.490 not withstanding the fact that they may be 00:41:04.490 --> 00:41:06.109 very similar in design. 00:41:06.589 --> 00:41:08.720 Um, I found some things that are used 00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:09.649 as massage tools. 00:41:10.665 --> 00:41:14.625 And they're actually basically like a metal 00:41:14.625 --> 00:41:17.115 band that fits over your hand and it's intended 00:41:17.115 --> 00:41:18.465 for sort of rubbing. 00:41:18.915 --> 00:41:19.215 Okay. 00:41:19.605 --> 00:41:21.225 But you could absolutely punch somebody in 00:41:21.225 --> 00:41:21.765 the face with it. 00:41:22.155 --> 00:41:22.605 Totally. 00:41:22.875 --> 00:41:25.725 Um, similarly I found some things that were, 00:41:25.725 --> 00:41:28.905 uh, for climbing rigging, and they're basically 00:41:28.905 --> 00:41:32.085 like a flat metal plate with a series of holes 00:41:32.085 --> 00:41:35.235 in it that would be in some sizes fit just 00:41:35.235 --> 00:41:36.345 fine in your fingers. 00:41:37.935 --> 00:41:39.705 And you know, they're intended, you attach 00:41:39.735 --> 00:41:41.295 carabiners to them so that you can have 00:41:41.355 --> 00:41:44.305 one rope sort of splitting off to five. 00:41:44.675 --> 00:41:45.015 Right. 00:41:45.015 --> 00:41:47.835 Um, but I'm looking at these things going, 00:41:48.435 --> 00:41:51.165 those are brass knuckles, but because they're not 00:41:51.165 --> 00:41:53.205 designed as a weapon, they wouldn't count. 00:41:54.075 --> 00:41:56.325 Um, the Ulu's actually interesting because the 00:41:56.325 --> 00:42:01.035 Ulu isn't sort of a, a flat metal bit, that's 00:42:01.035 --> 00:42:01.935 like a blunt thing. 00:42:01.935 --> 00:42:05.445 It's a, a sharp object and there's actually 00:42:05.505 --> 00:42:07.965 a provision in the primitive weapons 00:42:07.965 --> 00:42:10.995 thing for uh, if you've got a blade that is 00:42:11.295 --> 00:42:14.055 perpendicular to the handle, but the Ulu is 00:42:14.055 --> 00:42:16.395 actually specifically excluded from that. 00:42:17.125 --> 00:42:17.605 Interesting. 00:42:17.605 --> 00:42:21.315 So an Ulu is not covered by that, which I think 00:42:21.315 --> 00:42:24.525 is probably because they said, Hey, wait, Canada's 00:42:24.525 --> 00:42:28.634 got Inuit and the Ulu is a traditional, you know, 00:42:29.055 --> 00:42:32.595 all purpose tool for the Inuits and I own one. 00:42:32.595 --> 00:42:35.505 They're a fantastic, you never really realize 00:42:35.505 --> 00:42:37.515 how useful they can be until you have one. 00:42:38.174 --> 00:42:39.315 So I'm glad they were accepted. 00:42:41.495 --> 00:42:43.205 Well, it's kind of weird because from my 00:42:43.205 --> 00:42:46.115 understanding, it's only if they are made out 00:42:46.115 --> 00:42:48.485 of metal and they're the brass knuckles. 00:42:48.485 --> 00:42:50.375 If you make them out of wood or carbon 00:42:50.375 --> 00:42:52.205 fiber or hard plastic. 00:42:53.045 --> 00:42:53.404 Yeah. 00:42:53.404 --> 00:42:55.685 They phrase the law very weirdly. 00:42:55.835 --> 00:42:59.915 Um, so stone is fine, plastic is fine. 00:42:59.915 --> 00:43:01.525 You know, there's all sorts of people with 00:43:01.525 --> 00:43:02.645 acrylic knuckles. 00:43:03.025 --> 00:43:05.025 Now, of course, the wrinkle to that is that 00:43:05.025 --> 00:43:07.635 Canada very much limits what you can do in terms 00:43:07.635 --> 00:43:09.705 of carrying weapons in the first place. 00:43:09.975 --> 00:43:10.275 Right. 00:43:10.305 --> 00:43:12.435 So possession of a weapon for purposes of dangerous 00:43:12.435 --> 00:43:16.785 for the public peace, which typically the most 00:43:16.785 --> 00:43:18.705 carrying of weapons, they will say falls into 00:43:18.705 --> 00:43:21.545 that category or carrying a concealed weapons. 00:43:21.545 --> 00:43:23.685 So there's lots of people who are like, Hey, um, 00:43:24.165 --> 00:43:25.965 you know, the police arrested me and these 00:43:25.965 --> 00:43:27.045 are plastic knuckles. 00:43:27.045 --> 00:43:27.765 So they're illegal. 00:43:27.765 --> 00:43:28.725 I'm like, yes. 00:43:29.235 --> 00:43:31.035 And the officer, you know, laid the charge of 00:43:31.035 --> 00:43:33.075 possession of prohibited weapon on you that one's 00:43:33.075 --> 00:43:36.855 not going anywhere, but the carrying a 00:43:36.855 --> 00:43:38.955 concealed weapon and possession of weapon for 00:43:38.955 --> 00:43:40.665 purposes of dangerous in the public peace. 00:43:41.835 --> 00:43:43.965 And maybe in some cases, the assault 00:43:43.965 --> 00:43:46.305 with a weapon, all of those have legs. 00:43:48.105 --> 00:43:51.315 So you can own plastic knuckles if you just 00:43:51.315 --> 00:43:52.845 want to keep them on a shelf, because they're 00:43:52.845 --> 00:43:54.135 an interesting curiosity. 00:43:54.435 --> 00:43:55.685 Stick 'em in your pocket. 00:43:55.870 --> 00:43:56.600 If I ever. 00:43:56.970 --> 00:43:57.300 Nope. 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.190 If I ever sort of redesigning in terms 00:44:02.190 --> 00:44:04.830 of my recording space set up, I have an 00:44:04.830 --> 00:44:06.810 idea for setting up sort of shelves with, 00:44:06.870 --> 00:44:08.160 uh, with neat items. 00:44:08.910 --> 00:44:10.950 I might get some acrylic knuckles just to put 00:44:10.950 --> 00:44:13.950 them there on display as like, here's the thing, 00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:16.770 but you wouldn't want to carry them around. 00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:18.780 It's a good way to get to yourself. 00:44:18.810 --> 00:44:21.960 Uh, it's sort of the play stupid games 00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:23.400 side of things. 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.280 Well, the next one's, uh, the age old one about 00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:29.540 suppressors as safety equipment, like what 00:44:29.540 --> 00:44:32.570 would it take in Canada to have suppressors 00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:34.670 recognized as safety equipment, like in 00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:35.330 many other countries? 00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:41.800 Um, real long shot would be, um, so real long 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:45.790 shot would be, uh, say if the court were to 00:44:45.790 --> 00:44:48.700 find that it was a, a charter violation on the 00:44:48.700 --> 00:44:51.880 basis of life, liberty, security the person. 00:44:53.009 --> 00:44:54.779 I don't put good odds on that. 00:44:54.990 --> 00:44:57.359 I think that the court would likely say, ah, no. 00:44:58.529 --> 00:45:02.850 Um, more likely what this will take is a 00:45:02.850 --> 00:45:05.580 government that actually cares enough to do it. 00:45:05.879 --> 00:45:08.609 And it would be a little bit politically difficult 00:45:08.609 --> 00:45:12.089 because of course, uh, you know, once the, uh, 00:45:13.890 --> 00:45:16.350 once the government says, hey, uh, you know, we're 00:45:16.350 --> 00:45:18.060 going to reverse this. 00:45:18.120 --> 00:45:20.279 The opposition parties are going to say, 00:45:20.279 --> 00:45:23.069 hey listen, um, you know, look at what 00:45:23.069 --> 00:45:23.729 they want to do. 00:45:23.729 --> 00:45:26.640 They want to, uh, you know, we're going 00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:28.859 to have, you know, these ninja assassins 00:45:28.859 --> 00:45:29.790 on our streets. 00:45:30.839 --> 00:45:31.439 Same old game. 00:45:31.439 --> 00:45:31.749 No we're not. 00:45:32.309 --> 00:45:33.159 Same old game. 00:45:33.649 --> 00:45:33.719 Yeah. 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:33.989 All right. 00:45:34.879 --> 00:45:37.250 Uh, what about, this was an interesting one, 00:45:37.250 --> 00:45:43.520 why are 32, .32 and .25 calibre handguns illegal 00:45:44.060 --> 00:45:46.279 when the law leaves out that decimal place and 00:45:46.279 --> 00:45:50.390 list 32 and 25 calibre without the decibel? 00:45:51.420 --> 00:45:53.730 Well, that one is largely because, um, 00:45:54.240 --> 00:45:59.040 it's ultimately going to be, uh, the court 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:01.140 is going to say, hey, this is what they meant 00:46:01.350 --> 00:46:02.339 in terms of that law. 00:46:02.819 --> 00:46:05.279 Um, there, to my knowledge, there aren't 00:46:05.279 --> 00:46:08.790 any, you know, 32 calibre rifles out there. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:09.299 Right. 00:46:09.540 --> 00:46:12.240 Um, I, somebody could build one. 00:46:12.660 --> 00:46:13.049 Yep. 00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:15.900 But it also talks about, you know, handguns 00:46:15.930 --> 00:46:20.400 in and nobody I think would want to shoot a 32 00:46:20.540 --> 00:46:24.210 calibre handgun so yeah. 00:46:24.529 --> 00:46:24.860 Yeah. 00:46:24.890 --> 00:46:27.020 That'd be a big honking handgun for sure. 00:46:27.200 --> 00:46:27.440 Yeah. 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:30.380 The .32 makes a lot more sense. 00:46:32.569 --> 00:46:33.200 Okay. 00:46:33.259 --> 00:46:36.740 Um, gun racks from the firearms act, it looks 00:46:36.740 --> 00:46:39.620 like gun racks are legal, provided a license PAL 00:46:39.620 --> 00:46:43.100 holder is in the vehicle and the non-restricted 00:46:43.100 --> 00:46:44.029 firearm is unloaded. 00:46:44.879 --> 00:46:48.089 Would there be charges for disturbing the 00:46:48.089 --> 00:46:50.759 public peace if he drove around with guns in 00:46:50.759 --> 00:46:51.750 a gun rack like that. 00:46:51.779 --> 00:46:56.520 And uh, it says, yeah, and if so, how could 00:46:56.520 --> 00:46:57.720 that act be disturbing? 00:46:58.549 --> 00:46:58.819 Yeah. 00:46:58.850 --> 00:47:01.940 Well, um, so the criminal code provisions 00:47:01.940 --> 00:47:07.310 for a public peace, um, and I'm just sort 00:47:07.310 --> 00:47:09.950 of look, there's two sort of things to 00:47:09.950 --> 00:47:10.850 worry about there. 00:47:10.850 --> 00:47:12.830 One is possession of weapon for, you know, 00:47:12.839 --> 00:47:14.839 purposes dangerous to the public peace. 00:47:15.049 --> 00:47:15.319 Okay. 00:47:15.589 --> 00:47:18.200 Um, it really depends on why you were doing that. 00:47:18.919 --> 00:47:25.460 And, uh, so I don't know that, uh, you know, that 00:47:25.460 --> 00:47:29.690 that would necessarily count, um, that to me, 00:47:30.740 --> 00:47:32.419 it's, it really depends on why you're doing it. 00:47:32.450 --> 00:47:35.690 Like if you loaded up a rifle in your gun 00:47:35.690 --> 00:47:39.470 rack and then drove to your ex's house and, 00:47:39.500 --> 00:47:40.819 you know, with whom you were having an 00:47:40.819 --> 00:47:43.839 acrimonious relationship and hung out. 00:47:44.670 --> 00:47:47.520 Outside, you know, your ex's house, just making 00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:49.560 sure she sees your rifles in the gun rack. 00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:51.840 I could absolutely see them charging you for 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.660 that, but let's say it's hunting season and 00:47:54.660 --> 00:47:56.549 you're driving around the back roads and you got 00:47:56.549 --> 00:47:57.570 a gun in the gun rack. 00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.930 I think that they'd have a very hard time 00:48:00.930 --> 00:48:01.650 making that case. 00:48:01.670 --> 00:48:05.720 So, um, we get into some edge cases though, 00:48:06.049 --> 00:48:08.870 where let's say that you're loading up your 00:48:08.870 --> 00:48:11.360 stuff to go to the back roads, but you live 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:12.440 in downtown Toronto. 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.049 And so you're driving your truck out of 00:48:15.049 --> 00:48:17.090 downtown Toronto with a rifle and the gun 00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:19.160 rack and the cop pulls you over because you're 00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:20.330 in downtown Toronto. 00:48:21.350 --> 00:48:23.509 I think that they would try to find anything they 00:48:23.509 --> 00:48:24.529 could to charge you with. 00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:25.700 Even if it didn't stick. 00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:29.480 Now, people sort of say, well, causing 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.540 a disturbance, uh, that's the appropriate 00:48:32.540 --> 00:48:36.110 sort of criminal code section here, uh, cause 00:48:36.110 --> 00:48:37.840 there's possession of weapon for purposes of 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.630 dangerous, the public piece that might. 00:48:40.470 --> 00:48:43.110 Um, causing a disturbance wouldn't and that's 00:48:43.110 --> 00:48:45.210 because they have everyone who is not 00:48:45.210 --> 00:48:47.520 in a dwelling house, causes a disturbance 00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:49.380 by fighting screaming, shouting, swearing, 00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:51.180 singing, or using insulting or obscene 00:48:51.180 --> 00:48:53.730 language, by being drunk or impeding or 00:48:53.730 --> 00:48:54.900 molesting other persons. 00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:57.540 You're not going to count under that or b. 00:48:57.810 --> 00:48:59.580 Openly exposes or exhibits an 00:48:59.580 --> 00:49:01.680 indecent exhibition in a public place. 00:49:02.730 --> 00:49:06.000 So if you're playing porn out in public, that's 00:49:07.110 --> 00:49:07.980 not going to cover it. 00:49:08.640 --> 00:49:10.920 Uh, loiters in a public place and in any way, 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.650 obstructs persons who are in that place again, not 00:49:13.650 --> 00:49:15.280 going to cover it and d. 00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:17.100 Disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants 00:49:17.100 --> 00:49:19.350 of the dwelling house by discharging firearms or 00:49:19.350 --> 00:49:22.800 other orderly conduct in a public place or various 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.590 other things, not going to be covered by that. 00:49:25.950 --> 00:49:28.710 So it doesn't cover all disturbances, it 00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:31.380 covers certain, very specific disturbances. 00:49:32.790 --> 00:49:35.940 Um, so there's nothing inherently wrong 00:49:35.940 --> 00:49:36.870 with a gun rack. 00:49:37.790 --> 00:49:40.110 It's also often not the best way 00:49:40.110 --> 00:49:41.040 to go about things. 00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:43.630 Um, for one thing. 00:49:43.630 --> 00:49:44.350 Situation dependant. 00:49:44.350 --> 00:49:46.050 To note, you're advertising a little 00:49:46.050 --> 00:49:50.190 more than you have to, then you need to, and, 00:49:50.220 --> 00:49:52.920 you know, criminals have been known to 00:49:53.520 --> 00:49:55.620 check out people's cars to decide if they want 00:49:55.620 --> 00:49:56.670 to hit their house. 00:49:57.060 --> 00:49:57.360 Sure. 00:49:57.420 --> 00:49:59.310 And so, you know, if you've got a gun rack 00:49:59.310 --> 00:50:01.770 in the back of your car that tells them, hey, 00:50:01.770 --> 00:50:04.080 I got firearms here and lots of gun owners think, 00:50:04.200 --> 00:50:05.820 hey, you know, if the criminals know I have 00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:07.920 guns, they're not going to break into my house. 00:50:09.630 --> 00:50:11.370 Not really because criminals always 00:50:11.370 --> 00:50:12.210 want to avoid you. 00:50:12.210 --> 00:50:13.890 They're going to wait until you're not at home. 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:14.610 Right. 00:50:14.670 --> 00:50:17.640 And if you've got guns, you probably 00:50:17.670 --> 00:50:18.900 also have a day job. 00:50:20.730 --> 00:50:23.070 And so, you know, you're not at home all the time, 00:50:23.070 --> 00:50:24.030 while you're at work. 00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:26.850 Um, we always have this notion that criminals 00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:28.950 are breaking in at night, you know, in the cover 00:50:28.950 --> 00:50:32.174 of darkness, Very rarely. 00:50:32.505 --> 00:50:32.865 Right. 00:50:33.315 --> 00:50:36.315 When they like to work is during working 00:50:36.315 --> 00:50:39.615 hours, same time you're at work because then 00:50:39.615 --> 00:50:40.275 you're not at home. 00:50:41.795 --> 00:50:45.275 Quite often, I've seen, uh, people looking a 00:50:45.275 --> 00:50:47.825 little sketchier than you think they would for what 00:50:47.825 --> 00:50:50.464 they're trying to do, but they're got a colored 00:50:50.464 --> 00:50:52.915 shirt on and a pair of jeans and carrying around 00:50:52.924 --> 00:50:55.355 and awake in a Watchtower and knocking door to 00:50:55.355 --> 00:50:56.705 door to see who opens up. 00:50:56.705 --> 00:50:59.404 And they got the cover of spreading the word. 00:50:59.555 --> 00:51:01.415 But if nobody opens and there's a knock 00:51:01.415 --> 00:51:02.134 on the back door. 00:51:02.645 --> 00:51:04.444 I think most of those guys are, you know, 00:51:04.444 --> 00:51:06.725 Jehovah's witnesses, but it wouldn't surprise 00:51:06.725 --> 00:51:09.065 me if somebody had tried pretending to 00:51:09.065 --> 00:51:10.415 be one and wasn't. 00:51:10.775 --> 00:51:11.915 I've seen a couple of those. 00:51:12.335 --> 00:51:14.615 But I've seen people come up to my door and they're 00:51:14.615 --> 00:51:17.045 just like, oh, does you know, does Joe live here? 00:51:17.045 --> 00:51:18.935 And it's like, well, no, obviously you're 00:51:18.935 --> 00:51:21.275 not going to random doors asking for Joe. 00:51:21.665 --> 00:51:26.790 Um, this very much seems to me to be a, you know, 00:51:26.790 --> 00:51:28.379 and then they're going down to the next door. 00:51:28.379 --> 00:51:30.180 Like nobody goes door to door, looking for 00:51:30.180 --> 00:51:33.240 their friend, you know, I was like, this 00:51:33.240 --> 00:51:35.240 was somebody sketchy seeing if I was home. 00:51:35.790 --> 00:51:35.990 Yep. 00:51:37.299 --> 00:51:41.990 So, uh, is it true that there are some firearms 00:51:41.990 --> 00:51:44.180 that do not require a firearms license 00:51:44.210 --> 00:51:45.680 if they are antique? 00:51:46.850 --> 00:51:47.210 Yes. 00:51:47.390 --> 00:51:50.600 Um, so antique firearms, the general category 00:51:50.600 --> 00:51:53.000 of them, uh, don't need a firearms license. 00:51:53.270 --> 00:51:56.450 You can buy them without one, but now people 00:51:56.509 --> 00:51:57.710 get confused on this. 00:51:57.710 --> 00:51:59.540 They confuse antique with old. 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.890 And in fact, I've heard of at least one instance 00:52:03.890 --> 00:52:06.799 of an antique store owner who did not understand 00:52:06.799 --> 00:52:11.000 the distinction and sold an old gun that 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.060 was not an antique gun. 00:52:14.420 --> 00:52:14.990 Oops. 00:52:15.319 --> 00:52:15.799 And. 00:52:16.740 --> 00:52:17.130 Yeah. 00:52:17.610 --> 00:52:21.509 So, you know, I wasn't involved in that file. 00:52:21.509 --> 00:52:23.700 It's not a file that I was, you know, directly 00:52:23.700 --> 00:52:26.310 connected to, but I heard about it through 00:52:26.310 --> 00:52:30.090 sort of the grapevine and you know, that 00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:31.290 is a bad scenario. 00:52:31.290 --> 00:52:33.540 So you want to go and check your regulations 00:52:33.540 --> 00:52:34.470 very carefully. 00:52:34.890 --> 00:52:38.400 Um, some antique firearms will come with a, like 00:52:38.430 --> 00:52:41.009 a certification from the chief firearms officer 00:52:41.279 --> 00:52:43.230 saying, hey, we've considered this one, it 00:52:43.230 --> 00:52:45.420 is a certified antique. 00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:47.580 That's not actually necessary. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.860 Um, that's just sort of them giving 00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:50.580 their opinion. 00:52:51.240 --> 00:52:53.100 And if they're wrong on that, that's actually 00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:54.900 on you, you know. 00:52:54.900 --> 00:52:55.710 Interesting. 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.340 And if, uh, if they're right on that one, 00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:00.690 then, you know, great. 00:53:01.140 --> 00:53:02.910 But if you have a firearm where you don't 00:53:02.910 --> 00:53:04.800 have that letter, but it actually meets the 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.770 antique standards, you're you're good. 00:53:08.130 --> 00:53:08.490 Right. 00:53:08.910 --> 00:53:12.570 So there was actually a case, um, not long ago, 00:53:12.570 --> 00:53:16.185 I covered it on, in a video, but a guy who was 00:53:16.185 --> 00:53:19.305 sort of a bad dude, he's involved in, you know, 00:53:19.305 --> 00:53:22.515 I think it was a drug trafficking stuff that 00:53:22.515 --> 00:53:25.395 they also found, but they wanted to convict him on 00:53:25.395 --> 00:53:27.404 possession of a handgun without a license. 00:53:28.575 --> 00:53:31.035 And they couldn't because it was an 00:53:31.035 --> 00:53:31.854 antique firearm. 00:53:32.225 --> 00:53:32.914 Interesting. 00:53:32.914 --> 00:53:34.725 This guy either was the luckiest criminal 00:53:34.725 --> 00:53:37.135 on the planet or else the best researched 00:53:37.154 --> 00:53:38.085 criminal on the planet. 00:53:38.865 --> 00:53:39.795 He did some homework. 00:53:40.725 --> 00:53:43.215 I mean, it may be, but I suspect he just 00:53:43.215 --> 00:53:44.115 lucked into this. 00:53:44.615 --> 00:53:44.975 Wow. 00:53:45.305 --> 00:53:47.555 That's some, that's some dumb luck for sure. 00:53:48.125 --> 00:53:49.955 Well, maybe, you know, somebody's stolen 00:53:49.955 --> 00:53:52.205 antique or, you know, the guy acquired 00:53:52.205 --> 00:53:53.975 it from somewhere else or whatever. 00:53:55.115 --> 00:53:55.325 Yeah. 00:53:56.045 --> 00:53:57.485 So next one is going to interesting. 00:53:57.515 --> 00:54:01.595 It's the, uh, Butler Creek 10/22 magazines. 00:54:02.384 --> 00:54:04.365 Person says it can't be purchased in Canada 00:54:04.365 --> 00:54:07.334 anymore apparently due to a police bulletin. 00:54:07.694 --> 00:54:10.845 Is this legal and what should be done if someone 00:54:10.875 --> 00:54:13.935 owns those magazines and these are the 25 round, 00:54:14.415 --> 00:54:16.345 uh, Butler Creek, mags. 00:54:16.714 --> 00:54:19.115 So basically the police have taken the, uh, 00:54:19.115 --> 00:54:24.424 the view that because, uh, somebody possesses 00:54:24.424 --> 00:54:28.535 the, uh, or because these things also fit 00:54:28.535 --> 00:54:32.045 into the charger pistol that they're designed 00:54:32.045 --> 00:54:34.325 for the charger pistol, even ones that were 00:54:34.325 --> 00:54:36.305 actually manufactured before the charger 00:54:36.305 --> 00:54:37.535 pistol was an idea. 00:54:38.795 --> 00:54:42.365 So they say, you know, because of that, they're 00:54:42.365 --> 00:54:45.035 saying, oh, well that limits them to, to 10. 00:54:45.845 --> 00:54:50.795 Um, I have some issues with this interpretation. 00:54:51.335 --> 00:54:53.194 However, I wouldn't own one of these. 00:54:53.444 --> 00:54:55.475 And the reason why is because as much as I have 00:54:55.475 --> 00:54:57.870 some issues with this interpretation, until 00:54:57.870 --> 00:55:00.360 a court sorts it out these are very legally 00:55:00.390 --> 00:55:04.320 perilous things to have, because let's say you're 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:06.420 found with one and they decided to charge you. 00:55:07.050 --> 00:55:09.330 It could cost you a whole pile of money. 00:55:10.080 --> 00:55:13.860 Now, typically what's happened is, um, they 00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:16.770 don't really want Joe average, who has one 00:55:16.770 --> 00:55:19.350 of these magazines to, to be the poster 00:55:19.350 --> 00:55:20.820 child for running this. 00:55:21.120 --> 00:55:23.580 So I've seen a number of cases where they've 00:55:24.240 --> 00:55:26.940 arrested people who've had these and the case 00:55:26.940 --> 00:55:29.010 ends up getting resolved for, we're not giving 00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:30.660 you your magazines back, but we're also 00:55:30.660 --> 00:55:31.680 dropping the charges. 00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:36.150 Don't expect that to be the case though, because 00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:37.890 there's no reason why they couldn't say we're 00:55:37.890 --> 00:55:39.000 going to trial on this. 00:55:39.570 --> 00:55:41.370 You know, it's going to cost you a whole and 00:55:41.430 --> 00:55:44.820 defending this properly, like mounting a proper 00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:47.430 argument on this one is going to be expensive. 00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:49.080 You're going to need expert witnesses. 00:55:49.080 --> 00:55:52.470 You're going to need, um, historical evidence. 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:54.690 You're going to need all of these things. 00:55:54.690 --> 00:55:58.450 Like, you know, uh, bringing in patents, 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.220 for instance, would be highly relevant here. 00:56:00.220 --> 00:56:02.080 You know, the patent for this magazine 00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:05.170 predates the charger pistols existence. 00:56:06.310 --> 00:56:08.410 Um, are we talking about time machines? 00:56:10.150 --> 00:56:12.790 I don't like the argument they're making, but 00:56:13.630 --> 00:56:15.940 getting into a legal fight with the RCMP 00:56:15.940 --> 00:56:17.920 is much expensive. 00:56:17.980 --> 00:56:23.140 And we'll also, you know, they're playing like 00:56:23.170 --> 00:56:25.780 their stakes in terms of this is if they lose, 00:56:27.100 --> 00:56:28.990 nobody is out anything. 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:29.680 Right. 00:56:30.010 --> 00:56:32.950 If you lose and you're running this, um, your 00:56:32.950 --> 00:56:35.650 stakes are you get a firearm ban, you 00:56:35.650 --> 00:56:36.760 lose all your guns. 00:56:36.910 --> 00:56:38.560 You might see jail time. 00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:43.360 This is playing a game at the world's worst casino. 00:56:43.870 --> 00:56:44.620 Hmm. 00:56:45.430 --> 00:56:45.880 Good point. 00:56:46.870 --> 00:56:50.500 Uh, okay, this next one is kind of interesting. 00:56:50.530 --> 00:56:54.990 Why can I legally load more than 10 9mm rounds 00:56:54.990 --> 00:56:58.379 in a Glock 22 magazine and shoot it in my 00:56:58.379 --> 00:57:01.470 9mm Glock, but I'd be breaking the law if I 00:57:01.470 --> 00:57:04.140 loaded more than 10 in a Glock 17 magazine. 00:57:04.910 --> 00:57:07.069 So this is sort of the interesting wrinkle 00:57:07.069 --> 00:57:09.140 of the cartridges of the type for which 00:57:09.140 --> 00:57:10.009 it is designed. 00:57:10.339 --> 00:57:10.609 Okay. 00:57:10.700 --> 00:57:16.370 So, um, I own a SIG P226, and if you get 00:57:16.370 --> 00:57:19.430 the 40 calibre magazine for that, uh, it will 00:57:19.430 --> 00:57:23.230 hold slightly more than 10 cartridges of 9mm. 00:57:23.750 --> 00:57:27.560 And in fact it feeds 9mm, just fine, but 00:57:27.560 --> 00:57:29.689 because that magazine is designed for the 00:57:29.689 --> 00:57:32.600 40 calibre cartridge, it's allowed to hold 00:57:32.600 --> 00:57:34.850 10 40 calibre rounds. 00:57:36.049 --> 00:57:39.709 So it's all of this is that the law was 00:57:39.709 --> 00:57:41.359 designed fairly terribly. 00:57:42.439 --> 00:57:44.330 Um, there's all sorts of ways that they 00:57:44.330 --> 00:57:46.520 could have designed it much more sensibly, 00:57:47.720 --> 00:57:48.709 but they didn't. 00:57:49.009 --> 00:57:54.605 And I mean, that's just the long and short of it. 00:57:54.935 --> 00:57:55.765 Is what it is. 00:57:56.235 --> 00:57:56.425 Yeah. 00:57:56.425 --> 00:57:56.645 Perfect. 00:57:58.365 --> 00:58:01.565 So here's one about an ATC or an authorization 00:58:01.565 --> 00:58:04.835 to carry person says why won't the RCMP 00:58:04.895 --> 00:58:07.385 issue an authorization to carry for protection 00:58:07.385 --> 00:58:10.125 of life, the legal framework exists, but 00:58:10.125 --> 00:58:11.415 it seems illusory. 00:58:12.185 --> 00:58:15.325 And I mean, it really kind of is because we say 00:58:15.325 --> 00:58:17.545 that this is available, but they grant it to 00:58:17.575 --> 00:58:18.745 just about nobody. 00:58:19.045 --> 00:58:21.805 There's like a handful in existence 00:58:21.805 --> 00:58:22.915 at any given time. 00:58:23.455 --> 00:58:25.465 Um, you could count them on the fingers of 00:58:25.465 --> 00:58:27.325 a very clumsy carpenter. 00:58:27.925 --> 00:58:33.445 So yes, give, they won't usually give 00:58:33.445 --> 00:58:35.005 straight answers about how many there 00:58:35.005 --> 00:58:36.205 are, where they are. 00:58:36.205 --> 00:58:37.615 They will never give straight answers 00:58:37.615 --> 00:58:38.575 about who they are. 00:58:39.235 --> 00:58:41.515 Um, so we have theories that, you know, there are 00:58:41.515 --> 00:58:42.685 various connected people. 00:58:42.685 --> 00:58:46.020 But one of the elements of this is basically uh, 00:58:46.110 --> 00:58:48.870 that they have to certify the police protection 00:58:48.870 --> 00:58:49.710 is not sufficient. 00:58:50.130 --> 00:58:50.430 Right. 00:58:50.820 --> 00:58:52.920 Well, when they put in the test, basically, 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.930 can you get the police to sign off that 00:58:54.930 --> 00:58:56.850 they are not able to do their jobs? 00:58:58.350 --> 00:58:59.310 You know, how often. 00:58:59.310 --> 00:58:59.950 It's not going to happen. 00:58:59.950 --> 00:59:01.140 Does that happen? 00:59:01.290 --> 00:59:01.650 Right. 00:59:02.070 --> 00:59:03.690 You know, it's like asking a carpenter, 00:59:03.690 --> 00:59:06.090 hey, listen, I need you to put it in writing 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.250 that you do not know how to build a house. 00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:09.000 Right. 00:59:09.240 --> 00:59:10.350 It's not going to happen. 00:59:10.590 --> 00:59:10.890 Yeah. 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:14.160 So absent very unusual circumstances. 00:59:14.190 --> 00:59:16.020 They're just, they're going to say no. 00:59:16.050 --> 00:59:16.890 We're good enough. 00:59:18.170 --> 00:59:20.720 I remember many moons back. 00:59:20.790 --> 00:59:23.030 We had an individual who was applying for 00:59:23.030 --> 00:59:26.000 the ATC and went through training with us. 00:59:27.674 --> 00:59:30.345 He made it pretty far up into a point where the 00:59:30.345 --> 00:59:32.774 firearms program turned around and delayed it 00:59:32.774 --> 00:59:33.634 for quite some time. 00:59:33.674 --> 00:59:35.475 Then he came back, says, okay, tell you what, 00:59:35.685 --> 00:59:37.575 we'll give it to you, here's your last hurdle 00:59:37.575 --> 00:59:38.384 you have to go through. 00:59:38.595 --> 00:59:41.055 We want the chief of police in your area to 00:59:41.084 --> 00:59:43.274 sign this letter saying that police protection 00:59:43.274 --> 00:59:44.084 is not adequate. 00:59:44.625 --> 00:59:46.754 And he says, well, what if I just get it 00:59:46.754 --> 00:59:47.774 from a police officer? 00:59:47.805 --> 00:59:48.105 Nope. 00:59:48.134 --> 00:59:50.444 It's gotta be from the chief in, in your 00:59:50.444 --> 00:59:52.244 area saying,police protection's 00:59:52.265 --> 00:59:52.935 not adequate. 00:59:53.174 --> 00:59:54.915 And of course, no, chief's gonna 00:59:54.975 --> 00:59:55.875 sign off on that. 00:59:56.265 --> 00:59:58.004 And what do they say, when seconds count, 00:59:58.035 --> 01:00:00.915 the police are minutes away, but apparently 01:00:00.915 --> 01:00:03.345 afterwards, one of the firearms officers told 01:00:03.345 --> 01:00:05.084 this fellow, he's like, you know, you had us 01:00:05.084 --> 01:00:05.984 go in there for a bit. 01:00:06.015 --> 01:00:07.694 And I think you're one of the closest that 01:00:07.694 --> 01:00:10.665 you've been able to get to get an, an ATC, which 01:00:10.665 --> 01:00:13.125 is a little telling if that actually was what 01:00:13.125 --> 01:00:16.334 was relayed over to the mindset of, of the issue. 01:00:17.435 --> 01:00:17.674 Yeah. 01:00:17.674 --> 01:00:19.955 I mean, it's basically just impossible. 01:00:20.205 --> 01:00:20.734 It's a game. 01:00:21.374 --> 01:00:21.615 Yeah. 01:00:22.495 --> 01:00:24.690 So, I mean, they say it's available, but 01:00:24.690 --> 01:00:26.460 the standards they apply to it are just 01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:31.080 so far out there that, uh, nobody succeeds. 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:32.630 Fair enough. 01:00:33.140 --> 01:00:36.230 Uh, why are some knives illegal to 01:00:36.230 --> 01:00:38.780 import, but not illegal to own in Canada? 01:00:40.070 --> 01:00:42.830 So there's a lot of knives that, uh, 01:00:42.860 --> 01:00:45.080 basically the CBSA imposes a fairly 01:00:45.080 --> 01:00:47.090 restrictive view of what's coming, you know, 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.240 but the problem is that they don't seem to apply 01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:53.660 these same standards to, you know, nice stores 01:00:53.660 --> 01:00:56.420 or big corporations, because there are some 01:00:56.420 --> 01:01:00.020 knives that are actually pretty much, you know, I 01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:02.180 can't see a way that they would be legal to own 01:01:02.180 --> 01:01:05.120 in Canada, but you can get them at Home Depot. 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.320 And I have seen people charged over these where, 01:01:09.380 --> 01:01:11.420 you know, they say, hey, I got this knife at, 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:13.580 you know, Home Depot, why is this prohibited? 01:01:13.580 --> 01:01:16.430 And it's like, well, because it is. 01:01:16.730 --> 01:01:20.174 Like, you know, and so you end up 01:01:20.205 --> 01:01:23.145 arguing, you know, on sentencing or something. 01:01:23.145 --> 01:01:25.365 Hey, listen, he got this at Home Depot, 01:01:26.234 --> 01:01:28.694 you know, we've got his credit card statement. 01:01:28.725 --> 01:01:30.765 Here's where it shows that he bought it there. 01:01:31.334 --> 01:01:33.524 You know, this guy shouldn't be punished 01:01:33.524 --> 01:01:35.805 or at least not punished very strongly, 01:01:37.484 --> 01:01:39.464 but it's weird. 01:01:39.495 --> 01:01:41.595 And I mean, I think the solution to that is 01:01:41.595 --> 01:01:44.444 really to stop worrying so much about what 01:01:44.444 --> 01:01:45.825 style of knife it is. 01:01:46.095 --> 01:01:46.424 Hmm. 01:01:46.665 --> 01:01:49.725 It's weird that I can own a, you 01:01:49.725 --> 01:01:50.834 know, a big machete. 01:01:51.165 --> 01:01:52.604 Cause of course you can right there, 01:01:52.615 --> 01:01:54.285 there, excellent yard work tools. 01:01:54.285 --> 01:01:57.975 I've got a couple of, uh, kukri's rather than 01:01:57.975 --> 01:02:00.345 machetes, but when I go to do yard work and 01:02:00.345 --> 01:02:04.125 I need to trim back a tree 100%, like. 01:02:04.634 --> 01:02:04.845 Yeah. 01:02:04.904 --> 01:02:09.464 It is the thing to use, but you can't own 01:02:09.524 --> 01:02:11.984 a little tiny knife that flicks open. 01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:15.030 And, you know, when you think about it, 01:02:15.030 --> 01:02:17.220 there's all sorts of circumstances where 01:02:17.220 --> 01:02:20.190 these things make sense to have um, if you're 01:02:20.190 --> 01:02:23.250 doing anything that is fiddly, it's really nice. 01:02:23.250 --> 01:02:25.350 If you can have a knife that opens one handed. 01:02:25.710 --> 01:02:26.100 Totally. 01:02:26.520 --> 01:02:28.650 Uh, you know, or if you're up on a ladder, 01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:31.130 for instance, you know, you want your, your 01:02:31.170 --> 01:02:33.450 gripping on, you need a knife, you can open 01:02:33.450 --> 01:02:35.640 the knife and then, you know, use the knife. 01:02:36.510 --> 01:02:38.370 You know, having to use two hands when 01:02:38.370 --> 01:02:40.290 you're up on a ladder is not necessarily 01:02:40.290 --> 01:02:41.280 the greatest thing. 01:02:42.210 --> 01:02:45.840 Um, you know, if you're off doing all sorts of 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.200 things, there's just times when you don't 01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:51.360 want to have to, you know, to fiddle with it. 01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:53.940 They're always, you know, they're thinking of like, 01:02:54.030 --> 01:02:57.240 you know, fifties era, you know, movies of like, 01:02:58.230 --> 01:03:00.690 you know, sharks versus jets and people pulling 01:03:00.690 --> 01:03:01.740 out their switchblades. 01:03:01.770 --> 01:03:05.860 Well, I'm sorry, you know, the, the 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:07.770 switchblades, aren't the main concern 01:03:07.770 --> 01:03:08.370 at this point? 01:03:08.670 --> 01:03:09.060 No. 01:03:09.510 --> 01:03:12.779 So but our laws are really based with a 01:03:12.779 --> 01:03:16.140 whole lot of, uh, you can see that they had 01:03:16.140 --> 01:03:19.350 fear of like fifties era gangsters and that they 01:03:19.350 --> 01:03:20.910 had fear of, you know. 01:03:21.230 --> 01:03:22.049 Those greasers. 01:03:22.620 --> 01:03:22.950 Yep. 01:03:23.189 --> 01:03:27.720 Well, and the, uh, you know, and ninjas, 01:03:27.750 --> 01:03:28.460 there's a big worry. 01:03:28.460 --> 01:03:28.880 Ninja's yes. 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.000 About ninja's in our law. 01:03:30.180 --> 01:03:31.319 Stealth assassins. 01:03:31.379 --> 01:03:31.680 Yeah. 01:03:31.770 --> 01:03:32.040 Yup. 01:03:32.100 --> 01:03:36.120 So, I mean, a lot of these rules just, they 01:03:36.120 --> 01:03:37.169 don't make any sense. 01:03:37.799 --> 01:03:40.589 That's uh, I wish I could say that I had 01:03:40.589 --> 01:03:41.430 a good reason for it. 01:03:41.870 --> 01:03:42.339 I got to wait. 01:03:42.339 --> 01:03:44.930 I'm just trying to remember back to like 01:03:44.930 --> 01:03:47.779 grade 12 physics here, but a flick knife 01:03:47.779 --> 01:03:49.370 is something that's supposed to open with 01:03:49.399 --> 01:03:50.959 centrifical force, right? 01:03:51.020 --> 01:03:51.169 Yeah. 01:03:52.189 --> 01:03:55.319 Well, isn't centrifical force an implied force 01:03:55.339 --> 01:03:56.959 and I'd have to look this up, but I think 01:03:56.959 --> 01:03:59.029 centripetal force would be the force that would 01:03:59.029 --> 01:04:00.169 actually open that knife. 01:04:00.439 --> 01:04:01.200 I wonder if. 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.794 Yeah, the uh, I mean, without getting into 01:04:03.794 --> 01:04:05.835 the physics arguments about one versus the 01:04:05.835 --> 01:04:07.875 other, the court is going to understand 01:04:07.875 --> 01:04:08.634 what this means. 01:04:08.634 --> 01:04:08.814 Right. 01:04:08.814 --> 01:04:09.015 Totally. 01:04:09.015 --> 01:04:10.544 Understand what is intended. 01:04:10.904 --> 01:04:12.884 The really weird thing about that is that it's 01:04:12.884 --> 01:04:16.214 determined by how hard you can flick something. 01:04:17.205 --> 01:04:20.234 And so the courts had to grapple with just how 01:04:20.234 --> 01:04:23.685 hard is that because like I could build a machine 01:04:23.685 --> 01:04:27.435 that could probably flick the blade off of 01:04:27.464 --> 01:04:29.865 a fixed blade knife, you know, that could 01:04:29.865 --> 01:04:33.044 just spin it and then stop fast enough that 01:04:33.044 --> 01:04:35.265 the fixed blade knife blade would be sheered 01:04:35.265 --> 01:04:36.404 off by the forces. 01:04:37.305 --> 01:04:39.705 Um, you know, if we're talking about machine 01:04:39.705 --> 01:04:42.285 assistance, that there is no knife that opens 01:04:42.285 --> 01:04:45.375 that can't be opened by that means because, 01:04:46.305 --> 01:04:48.044 you know, you could put tremendous force 01:04:48.044 --> 01:04:48.855 on things with that. 01:04:48.855 --> 01:04:49.485 It's limitless. 01:04:49.485 --> 01:04:49.735 Yeah. 01:04:50.175 --> 01:04:52.185 You know, you fire it into a centrifuge. 01:04:52.185 --> 01:04:54.335 Did you put a hard brake on it, you're going to. 01:04:54.635 --> 01:04:55.355 It'll open. 01:04:55.865 --> 01:04:56.065 Yup. 01:04:56.145 --> 01:04:57.885 It'll open or it might shatter into 01:04:57.885 --> 01:05:00.435 pieces, but if it survives, it'll open. 01:05:00.765 --> 01:05:01.035 Yeah. 01:05:01.545 --> 01:05:04.965 Um, so they've said it as the standards of a 01:05:04.965 --> 01:05:06.165 person has to do it. 01:05:06.195 --> 01:05:08.835 So basically you got to find a human being 01:05:08.835 --> 01:05:09.495 who will open it. 01:05:10.425 --> 01:05:12.645 Well, they've said it doesn't matter which 01:05:12.645 --> 01:05:14.925 person, you know, you can go and shop around for 01:05:14.925 --> 01:05:16.005 a really strong person. 01:05:16.605 --> 01:05:19.125 Well, I'm sitting here, you know, I've, 01:05:19.395 --> 01:05:20.565 I've got skinny arms. 01:05:21.855 --> 01:05:23.985 I am not, you know, a bodybuilder. 01:05:23.985 --> 01:05:26.985 I'm not what, so I buy a knife and I'm 01:05:26.985 --> 01:05:28.695 trying to see, hey, is this knife legal? 01:05:29.475 --> 01:05:31.634 There's only so much force I can, you 01:05:31.634 --> 01:05:33.285 know, impart on this knife to test it. 01:05:33.675 --> 01:05:33.975 Right. 01:05:34.515 --> 01:05:37.575 And there's methods that of flicking it. 01:05:37.575 --> 01:05:40.275 That'll open it more reliably than others. 01:05:40.335 --> 01:05:43.395 And you know, I might not know these methods, 01:05:43.395 --> 01:05:45.735 so I might buy a knife and think it's perfectly 01:05:45.735 --> 01:05:48.555 legal, but it turns out that the police force 01:05:48.944 --> 01:05:51.765 has a guy who is the strongest guy who they've 01:05:51.765 --> 01:05:54.555 specially trained to be their knife opening guy. 01:05:55.995 --> 01:05:58.545 It's like, why is the standard for when a 01:05:58.545 --> 01:06:01.815 knife is legal, based on the arm of some 01:06:01.815 --> 01:06:02.985 dude I've never met. 01:06:03.255 --> 01:06:04.335 So arbitrary. 01:06:04.905 --> 01:06:06.585 It's like, you know, we've moved away 01:06:06.585 --> 01:06:08.475 from measurement systems based on some 01:06:08.475 --> 01:06:09.645 dead King's thumb. 01:06:11.835 --> 01:06:14.445 But now, you know, in order to measure 01:06:14.625 --> 01:06:17.055 a knife's legality, I need to find the 01:06:17.055 --> 01:06:19.455 strongest man on the planet and ask them to 01:06:19.455 --> 01:06:20.655 open my knife for me. 01:06:21.855 --> 01:06:23.775 I'm pretty sure he'd be tired of, you know, 01:06:23.835 --> 01:06:25.705 tired of fielding those requests that people 01:06:25.705 --> 01:06:26.565 were actually doing that. 01:06:28.305 --> 01:06:30.225 So it's such a weird test. 01:06:30.435 --> 01:06:31.455 It makes no sense. 01:06:32.255 --> 01:06:32.825 Okay. 01:06:32.945 --> 01:06:35.855 Well, what would happen if someone 01:06:35.855 --> 01:06:38.225 used dog spray on a human in self-defense. 01:06:39.359 --> 01:06:41.400 Now this one, you know, sometimes people say, 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.040 hey, dog spray becomes a primitive weapon if you 01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:46.200 spray somebody with it, and that's not the case. 01:06:46.710 --> 01:06:51.480 Um, if you spray a dog spray because 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:53.580 it's not designed for people and you gotta be 01:06:53.580 --> 01:06:55.259 careful because there are some dogs sprays 01:06:55.259 --> 01:06:58.560 that say works on dogs and also people, in 01:06:58.560 --> 01:07:00.029 which case it would be a prohibited weapon. 01:07:00.839 --> 01:07:03.870 Uh, but you know, let's say, we assume that it's 01:07:03.870 --> 01:07:06.629 just a strict dog spray or strict bear spray. 01:07:07.290 --> 01:07:09.990 Well, it doesn't, it can't transform into 01:07:09.990 --> 01:07:12.210 being a prohibited weapon in that sense. 01:07:12.930 --> 01:07:15.779 However, um, they will probably charge you 01:07:15.779 --> 01:07:17.940 for, you know, assault with a weapon, uh, 01:07:17.970 --> 01:07:20.370 possibly depending on the scenario, carrying 01:07:20.370 --> 01:07:22.200 a weapon, possession of weapon for purposes 01:07:22.200 --> 01:07:24.779 of dangerous of public peace, public carrying 01:07:24.779 --> 01:07:25.770 concealed weapon. 01:07:26.279 --> 01:07:28.500 Um, it really depends on the self-defense 01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:29.150 scenario, too. 01:07:29.970 --> 01:07:32.340 Like, let's say you're walking along and you 01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:35.100 know, some guy jumps out of the bushes and 01:07:35.100 --> 01:07:37.680 you spray him and you're walking in a place where 01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:40.500 there's lots of dogs and the police roll up. 01:07:40.529 --> 01:07:42.390 They find this guy and he's clawing at his 01:07:42.390 --> 01:07:44.799 eyes and, you know, which he probably isn't 01:07:44.819 --> 01:07:46.500 cause the dog sprays aren't that effective, 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.230 but let's say he's really having a bad day. 01:07:49.230 --> 01:07:52.319 He has an asthma attack, he's in the bushes and 01:07:52.319 --> 01:07:54.299 they find he's got a kit with, you know, duct 01:07:54.299 --> 01:07:57.900 tape and bleach and you know, whatever else. 01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:58.319 Right. 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:00.750 Um, the police would probably say, you 01:08:00.750 --> 01:08:03.210 know what, we're good. 01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:03.960 Right. 01:08:04.049 --> 01:08:05.640 You know, we don't need to proceed here, but 01:08:05.640 --> 01:08:08.180 I say only probably because I don't know. 01:08:09.259 --> 01:08:11.870 Um, but it's basically the same as if you use 01:08:11.870 --> 01:08:15.410 any weapon, you know, or any object, you know, if 01:08:15.410 --> 01:08:17.930 somebody broke in right now and I don't know 01:08:17.930 --> 01:08:20.899 what to sort of grab, you know, maybe I ended 01:08:20.899 --> 01:08:24.769 up grabbing a glass or a bottle or something 01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:28.560 and heck I've got a. 01:08:28.979 --> 01:08:30.210 How about that microphone right there? 01:08:31.700 --> 01:08:33.229 Microphone might not work all that well, 01:08:33.229 --> 01:08:35.600 but hey, I got a jar of pickled onions. 01:08:36.229 --> 01:08:37.550 Well, if I threw that jar, it might 01:08:37.550 --> 01:08:38.390 do some damage. 01:08:38.870 --> 01:08:40.580 They could charge me with all sorts of things on 01:08:40.580 --> 01:08:42.510 that, you know, in terms of assault with a weapon. 01:08:42.510 --> 01:08:47.540 And so, I got a plastic skull back there 01:08:47.540 --> 01:08:48.470 maybe that will work. 01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:49.910 That'll do some damage. 01:08:50.899 --> 01:08:53.840 Well, here's the last one and it's kind of 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.359 an interesting one, is a zap strap or 01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:00.380 zip tie considered a legal, secure, locking 01:09:00.380 --> 01:09:01.819 device for a firearm? 01:09:02.630 --> 01:09:05.779 And this one is one secure locking device 01:09:05.779 --> 01:09:08.060 says that a device that can only be open to 01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:10.189 released by the use of an electronic, magnetic 01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:12.680 or mechanical key, or by setting the device 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.750 in accordance with an alphabetical or numerical 01:09:14.750 --> 01:09:18.200 combination or that when applied to a firearm 01:09:18.260 --> 01:09:20.870 or sorry and that would apply to a firearm, 01:09:20.870 --> 01:09:22.729 prevents the firearm from being discharged. 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:27.185 So secure locking device, it doesn't 01:09:27.185 --> 01:09:29.285 seem to qualify because it doesn't have an 01:09:29.285 --> 01:09:32.945 electronic magnetic or mechanical key or a code. 01:09:33.475 --> 01:09:35.195 You know, you'd have to cut it off. 01:09:35.915 --> 01:09:37.715 And you might say, well, isn't that better? 01:09:38.615 --> 01:09:40.715 Let's say, you know, we're envisioning not 01:09:40.745 --> 01:09:44.015 a plastic zip tie, but let's say we envision 01:09:44.015 --> 01:09:47.795 like a strip of hardened steel and something 01:09:47.795 --> 01:09:50.105 where you actually, you know, you pull it tight 01:09:50.135 --> 01:09:52.145 and at the end of it, you drop a weld on it. 01:09:52.985 --> 01:09:55.175 So it's, you know, even more tough. 01:09:55.205 --> 01:09:56.035 And let's say this. 01:09:56.035 --> 01:09:56.215 Totally. 01:09:56.405 --> 01:10:00.005 This steel is, you know, let's say it's a good 01:10:00.005 --> 01:10:00.905 quarter inch thick. 01:10:00.905 --> 01:10:03.635 You had to bend it physically with 01:10:03.635 --> 01:10:04.565 tools to block. 01:10:05.705 --> 01:10:07.745 The courts have said, basically, even if 01:10:07.745 --> 01:10:11.565 your storage is better, then the regulations, 01:10:11.565 --> 01:10:13.095 you still have to meet the regulations. 01:10:13.394 --> 01:10:14.235 Right. 01:10:14.265 --> 01:10:16.394 So I do a video sort of talking about that 01:10:16.394 --> 01:10:18.375 a little bit, where I talked about John 01:10:18.375 --> 01:10:21.165 Wick's firearm storage, where he's got his guns 01:10:21.855 --> 01:10:25.275 buried under a concrete floor, and the case 01:10:25.275 --> 01:10:27.075 law suggests that's probably not good enough. 01:10:27.825 --> 01:10:30.495 Now, if he takes that, wooden, you know, 01:10:30.495 --> 01:10:32.385 there's a cheap sort of wooden box in there. 01:10:32.385 --> 01:10:34.575 Once he digs out the concrete, if he puts a 01:10:34.575 --> 01:10:36.974 padlock on that, he's probably good even 01:10:36.974 --> 01:10:37.815 without the concrete. 01:10:39.434 --> 01:10:42.555 But you know, this means that our laws 01:10:42.555 --> 01:10:43.695 are often very dumb. 01:10:45.105 --> 01:10:49.605 I, they're designed badly, but, uh, the other 01:10:49.605 --> 01:10:51.585 thing that is always super ironic about this 01:10:51.585 --> 01:10:54.495 is that if you go to a courthouse and you 01:10:54.495 --> 01:10:58.545 see them dealing with firearms in court, um, 01:10:58.635 --> 01:11:00.495 one of the things the court doesn't want to 01:11:00.495 --> 01:11:05.315 deal with is, you know, the actual, that one. 01:11:08.685 --> 01:11:10.875 So, you know, they don't want to deal with 01:11:10.905 --> 01:11:12.405 a combination lock. 01:11:12.675 --> 01:11:12.915 Right. 01:11:12.945 --> 01:11:16.425 Sorry my, uh, thing is hunting for, for focus 01:11:16.425 --> 01:11:18.195 here, because then they got to remember all 01:11:18.205 --> 01:11:20.475 these combinations or if they're keys, they 01:11:20.475 --> 01:11:22.695 got to remember, where did we put our keys? 01:11:22.915 --> 01:11:23.355 Right. 01:11:23.925 --> 01:11:25.605 And, you know, they want something that 01:11:25.605 --> 01:11:28.665 just comes in a bag of a hundred or 500 that 01:11:28.665 --> 01:11:30.045 they can just reuse. 01:11:30.105 --> 01:11:32.205 And you know, it doesn't cost them a whole lot 01:11:32.205 --> 01:11:34.395 because think of how many, how much these 01:11:34.395 --> 01:11:35.835 would end up costing. 01:11:36.675 --> 01:11:38.325 You know, I've seen files with, you know, 01:11:38.325 --> 01:11:42.465 somebody brings in 75 rifles, these ain't 01:11:42.465 --> 01:11:45.915 cheap, you know, and it adds up with a court. 01:11:46.125 --> 01:11:48.585 So let's, so they don't want that. 01:11:48.765 --> 01:11:49.605 So what do they use? 01:11:50.085 --> 01:11:50.775 Zip ties. 01:11:51.685 --> 01:11:52.755 Interesting. 01:11:52.995 --> 01:11:55.035 But the court has different exceptions 01:11:55.035 --> 01:11:55.725 that apply. 01:11:55.815 --> 01:11:58.545 Uh, nobody's going to go and charge a clerk of 01:11:58.545 --> 01:12:01.545 the court for securing a firearm with a zip tie. 01:12:03.405 --> 01:12:05.045 That sounds like an interesting case law. 01:12:06.075 --> 01:12:09.105 Um, nobody would, no , like you would 01:12:09.105 --> 01:12:12.315 be, the police officer that wanted to, uh, to 01:12:12.315 --> 01:12:14.025 bring that would be mad. 01:12:14.565 --> 01:12:16.635 Like they'd just be completely insane. 01:12:16.695 --> 01:12:17.535 Just bonkers. 01:12:18.045 --> 01:12:20.775 So, and I don't think that they could make out 01:12:20.775 --> 01:12:27.015 that case in law, but, uh, ultimately the rules 01:12:27.015 --> 01:12:28.755 for the court, because lots of people say, 01:12:28.755 --> 01:12:29.835 of course it's valid. 01:12:30.255 --> 01:12:31.755 I see them doing this in court all the 01:12:31.755 --> 01:12:33.705 time, of course that means it's valid. 01:12:34.245 --> 01:12:36.105 Well, that doesn't mean it's okay for you to do 01:12:36.105 --> 01:12:38.915 what your house or on the way to the range, you've 01:12:38.915 --> 01:12:40.255 got different rules you've got to follow up. 01:12:40.715 --> 01:12:41.455 That's a good point. 01:12:41.735 --> 01:12:41.795 So. 01:12:42.195 --> 01:12:44.855 So unless they were able to get a zip tie that had 01:12:44.885 --> 01:12:47.755 some sort of a key that would open it up then. 01:12:47.755 --> 01:12:49.025 Well, I mean, that's basically what a 01:12:49.025 --> 01:12:50.155 cable lock is right? 01:12:50.395 --> 01:12:50.575 Right. 01:12:50.575 --> 01:12:51.135 Totally. 01:12:51.135 --> 01:12:52.715 Sort of metal zip tie with a key. 01:12:53.045 --> 01:12:53.465 Totally. 01:12:54.245 --> 01:12:54.755 Interesting. 01:12:55.865 --> 01:12:57.515 So out of all of those questions that 01:12:57.515 --> 01:12:59.255 we're asking, thank you very much, Ian. 01:12:59.255 --> 01:13:00.235 I mean, that's a. 01:13:00.675 --> 01:13:01.875 Oh happy to, these 01:13:01.894 --> 01:13:05.804 are always sort of fun questions they're, it's 01:13:05.804 --> 01:13:09.554 a, it's a weird and fun area of the law. 01:13:10.385 --> 01:13:12.065 And I'm sure some of them you've been asked 01:13:12.365 --> 01:13:13.855 over and over again. 01:13:14.375 --> 01:13:14.675 Yep. 01:13:14.705 --> 01:13:16.445 And the other sort of thing I'll do at this 01:13:16.445 --> 01:13:18.485 point is given my usual warning, don't take any 01:13:18.485 --> 01:13:20.495 of this as legal advice because any of this 01:13:20.495 --> 01:13:24.495 stuff could expire as of when I'm done saying it. 01:13:24.495 --> 01:13:24.914 Right now. 01:13:25.374 --> 01:13:29.135 Um, and I mean, bill C-21 will change some 01:13:29.135 --> 01:13:30.545 of the things that are going on here. 01:13:31.085 --> 01:13:34.085 Um, all sorts of things can change really rapidly 01:13:34.115 --> 01:13:36.815 and your situation may be different sometimes. 01:13:37.175 --> 01:13:38.945 So it's always best, if you're looking at 01:13:38.945 --> 01:13:41.525 contemplating, you want to do something, talk 01:13:41.525 --> 01:13:43.144 to a lawyer that you can tell about your 01:13:43.144 --> 01:13:45.995 specific scenario, as opposed to general 01:13:45.995 --> 01:13:48.394 information about the law that I can give here. 01:13:49.054 --> 01:13:51.255 Um, I just don't want somebody to be 01:13:51.255 --> 01:13:53.145 like, well, Runkle said this is fine. 01:13:53.145 --> 01:13:55.005 And it's like, Hmm, no Runkle was asking 01:13:55.005 --> 01:13:56.865 some questions or answering some questions. 01:13:56.865 --> 01:13:58.184 I'm not your lawyer. 01:13:58.885 --> 01:13:59.555 We're just discussing. 01:13:59.555 --> 01:14:01.025 I'm a lawyer, not your lawyer. 01:14:02.805 --> 01:14:05.705 Well Ian, thank you very much for being on this 01:14:05.705 --> 01:14:07.025 Silvercore Podcast again. 01:14:07.265 --> 01:14:08.825 Thank you for having me, as I said, it's 01:14:08.825 --> 01:14:09.935 always a blast, so. 01:14:10.445 --> 01:14:10.955 I love it. 01:14:11.945 --> 01:14:12.395 All right. 01:14:12.665 --> 01:14:13.505 Well, let's see. 01:14:13.985 --> 01:14:15.725 Um, that was pretty good. 01:14:16.145 --> 01:14:21.815 You had, well, you had some pretty interesting 01:14:21.815 --> 01:14:23.765 takes on a lot of these things and got me to look 01:14:23.765 --> 01:14:25.775 at things differently than I have before. 01:14:25.775 --> 01:14:26.405 And I like that. 01:14:26.735 --> 01:14:28.145 Well, a lot of these are questions that 01:14:28.145 --> 01:14:30.575 I've sort of had to think about before. 01:14:30.605 --> 01:14:32.855 I mean, just about every, not all of 01:14:32.855 --> 01:14:34.445 these, but just about every one of these 01:14:34.445 --> 01:14:37.955 has in some fashion, uh, showed up in a 01:14:37.985 --> 01:14:39.305 criminal case somewhere. 01:14:39.575 --> 01:14:39.875 Right. 01:14:39.905 --> 01:14:42.895 Um, some of them are very niche cases that I don't 01:14:42.895 --> 01:14:45.150 think, I don't think are going to come up. 01:14:45.180 --> 01:14:47.160 I haven't seen the side saddle one come up 01:14:47.160 --> 01:14:48.780 where somebody has been charged with that, for 01:14:48.780 --> 01:14:53.880 instance, but I've seen some really bad charges. 01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:56.430 Um, I saw somebody charged with possession 01:14:56.430 --> 01:14:58.260 of a firearm for something that was 01:14:58.260 --> 01:15:02.580 welded shut and like no portion of it moved. 01:15:02.580 --> 01:15:04.200 It had welds all through it. 01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:04.889 Wow. 01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:06.599 And it was just like, this is 01:15:06.599 --> 01:15:07.830 obviously not a gun. 01:15:08.519 --> 01:15:09.660 That didn't stick did it? 01:15:10.019 --> 01:15:10.380 No. 01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:10.610 No. 01:15:10.889 --> 01:15:11.519 It did not. 01:15:11.550 --> 01:15:13.220 But, uh, yeah. 01:15:13.590 --> 01:15:16.760 You know, I was wondering about the, so federal, 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:17.900 provincial, municipal. 01:15:17.990 --> 01:15:20.059 Federal can make laws, provincial can make 01:15:20.059 --> 01:15:22.070 laws, municipal can make laws, but not one 01:15:22.070 --> 01:15:25.880 of those can make laws that can, uh, be less 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:27.200 than the one above it. 01:15:27.290 --> 01:15:28.490 If I understand it correctly, 01:15:28.740 --> 01:15:29.190 correctly right? 01:15:29.190 --> 01:15:31.849 Yeah, it's, so this is getting into the 01:15:31.849 --> 01:15:34.040 issue of sort of federal paramountcy. 01:15:34.639 --> 01:15:36.620 And so what that means is basically 01:15:36.620 --> 01:15:38.750 where there's two laws that are in conflict. 01:15:39.660 --> 01:15:41.969 Uh, and it's a federal law and a provincial 01:15:41.969 --> 01:15:45.120 law and municipal laws are a subcategory 01:15:45.120 --> 01:15:45.900 of provincial law. 01:15:46.889 --> 01:15:49.589 Um, they're sort of their own weird thing, 01:15:49.589 --> 01:15:52.410 constitutionally speaking, but, uh, the 01:15:52.410 --> 01:15:56.160 federal law trumps, however, most people sort 01:15:56.160 --> 01:15:58.769 of have a different idea of what conflict mean. 01:15:59.519 --> 01:16:01.530 So let's say for instance, that the 01:16:01.530 --> 01:16:05.460 federal law says, um, you cannot 01:16:05.460 --> 01:16:08.759 transport a firearm by a vehicle period. 01:16:09.809 --> 01:16:12.120 And the provincial law says you can transport 01:16:12.120 --> 01:16:15.000 a firearm by vehicle only if you have, you 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.269 know, a particular permit issued by the province. 01:16:19.200 --> 01:16:20.980 You know, this is pure hypothetical's, these 01:16:20.980 --> 01:16:21.960 are not real laws. 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.240 This is just, and people say, well, 01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:25.320 this is in conflict. 01:16:25.379 --> 01:16:26.700 Well, what the court would say 01:16:26.700 --> 01:16:27.839 is no, it's not. 01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:29.460 It's entirely possible for you to 01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:30.540 follow both laws. 01:16:31.019 --> 01:16:34.139 You just don't drive your car, you know, 01:16:34.139 --> 01:16:35.819 with the, uh, with the firearm in it. 01:16:37.125 --> 01:16:38.745 And people say, well, what if it's the opposite 01:16:38.775 --> 01:16:40.695 where the province is saying that you can't 01:16:40.695 --> 01:16:41.835 drive the car at all? 01:16:41.865 --> 01:16:44.415 You know, can't transport by vehicle at all. 01:16:45.115 --> 01:16:46.215 Still the same result. 01:16:46.605 --> 01:16:48.345 They'd say, listen, you know, not withstanding 01:16:48.345 --> 01:16:50.895 the fact that the federal government says, this 01:16:50.895 --> 01:16:52.635 is a requirement that you have a license. 01:16:52.635 --> 01:16:55.095 They don't guarantee that you can, they just 01:16:55.095 --> 01:16:57.375 say it's an offense to do so without a license. 01:16:57.375 --> 01:17:00.195 So now the province says it's an offense to do 01:17:00.195 --> 01:17:02.745 so regardless, but you can certainly follow 01:17:02.745 --> 01:17:05.475 both laws just by not having a gun in the car. 01:17:06.795 --> 01:17:08.925 So that's kind of its own. 01:17:08.955 --> 01:17:11.745 Uh, but let's say you've got two things where you 01:17:11.745 --> 01:17:15.945 say, for instance, um, the federal government 01:17:15.945 --> 01:17:19.275 says you must do a particular thing. 01:17:20.385 --> 01:17:21.885 And the provincial government says, you 01:17:21.885 --> 01:17:24.195 must not do a provision or a particular thing. 01:17:25.485 --> 01:17:27.735 You know, there, you cannot follow both. 01:17:28.005 --> 01:17:28.305 Right. 01:17:29.055 --> 01:17:30.765 And so they'd say, well, the federal 01:17:30.765 --> 01:17:31.995 government rule trumps. 01:17:33.645 --> 01:17:35.805 Well in British Columbia, we've got 01:17:35.805 --> 01:17:38.925 provisions for disabled individuals to be able 01:17:38.925 --> 01:17:40.385 to hunt from a vehicle. 01:17:40.825 --> 01:17:41.045 Yeah. 01:17:41.385 --> 01:17:43.455 Which seems to me, if you're hunting 01:17:43.605 --> 01:17:48.165 from a vehicle, wouldn't that be less, 01:17:48.715 --> 01:17:50.925 loosening, a federal requirement saying you 01:17:50.925 --> 01:17:52.735 can't have a loaded firearm in a vehicle. 01:17:52.785 --> 01:17:54.025 I don't know. 01:17:54.055 --> 01:17:55.955 The thing is is that they don't really let the 01:17:55.955 --> 01:17:58.805 province, I mean, I had problems with this when 01:17:58.805 --> 01:18:01.445 I was in constitutional law because you know, 01:18:01.445 --> 01:18:03.215 when you're sitting there and you're envisioning, 01:18:03.215 --> 01:18:04.955 like, let's say the federal government says 01:18:04.985 --> 01:18:07.715 you need a license to transport a vehicle or 01:18:07.715 --> 01:18:08.795 a firearm in a vehicle. 01:18:09.605 --> 01:18:12.035 And the provincial government says you 01:18:12.035 --> 01:18:13.745 can't transport a firearm in a vehicle. 01:18:14.375 --> 01:18:16.205 Um, typically the way they've had, they 01:18:16.205 --> 01:18:18.635 will interpret that as just don't transport a 01:18:18.635 --> 01:18:19.565 firearm in a vehicle. 01:18:19.595 --> 01:18:21.425 But to my mind, it seems like the 01:18:21.425 --> 01:18:24.035 federal government very much wants to 01:18:24.035 --> 01:18:24.935 make that possible. 01:18:24.965 --> 01:18:27.065 That's their notion of how the law should work. 01:18:28.155 --> 01:18:30.105 But they don't that isn't typically how the 01:18:30.105 --> 01:18:31.394 courts have gone with it. 01:18:31.425 --> 01:18:33.705 Now these are not typically in firearm 01:18:33.705 --> 01:18:34.934 related scenarios. 01:18:35.505 --> 01:18:37.545 These are typically in things like business 01:18:37.545 --> 01:18:40.035 regulations, and there's a couple of 01:18:40.035 --> 01:18:40.635 reasons for that. 01:18:40.635 --> 01:18:43.695 One big businesses tend to be better able 01:18:43.695 --> 01:18:45.585 to bring court cases because they've got the 01:18:45.585 --> 01:18:46.905 dollars for the lawyers. 01:18:47.295 --> 01:18:47.655 Totally. 01:18:47.804 --> 01:18:49.755 You know, you or me, if somebody says, 01:18:49.755 --> 01:18:52.065 Hey, do you want to spend $80,000 taking 01:18:52.065 --> 01:18:53.655 something to court? 01:18:53.684 --> 01:18:54.044 We're like. 01:18:54.804 --> 01:18:55.304 See ya. 01:18:55.504 --> 01:18:57.075 Where am I going to find 80 grand? 01:18:57.395 --> 01:18:57.855 Right. 01:18:58.635 --> 01:19:02.385 That's not pocket change, but if you're Microsoft 01:19:02.385 --> 01:19:04.245 and it's, hey, this is going to cost 80 grand. 01:19:04.245 --> 01:19:06.915 It's like, well, okay, that's less than we 01:19:06.915 --> 01:19:09.255 spend on toilet paper in a year or so. 01:19:10.035 --> 01:19:11.775 And it might literally be less, you know, 01:19:11.775 --> 01:19:14.745 for some of these big major companies, you 01:19:14.745 --> 01:19:17.085 know, Walmart might actually spend that 01:19:17.085 --> 01:19:19.605 kind of big money on toilet paper across all 01:19:19.605 --> 01:19:21.825 of their stores across all of these countries. 01:19:22.934 --> 01:19:25.275 So, you know, you might literally be talking 01:19:25.275 --> 01:19:28.094 about butt wipe money for some of these guys. 01:19:28.094 --> 01:19:29.684 Totally. 01:19:30.384 --> 01:19:32.220 Can you tell me about your, uh, your 01:19:32.220 --> 01:19:33.120 Patreon account? 01:19:33.240 --> 01:19:34.020 How does that work? 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:36.440 So basically people can sign up. 01:19:36.470 --> 01:19:39.740 It's a way for sort of recurring donations. 01:19:40.130 --> 01:19:43.100 Um, YouTube is kind of erratic in terms 01:19:43.100 --> 01:19:45.590 of how much, you know, ad revenues 01:19:45.590 --> 01:19:46.790 bring in and so forth. 01:19:47.330 --> 01:19:49.190 So it provides some stability. 01:19:49.250 --> 01:19:52.340 Uh, it provides that I know that, um, you 01:19:52.340 --> 01:19:54.740 know, as part of trying to get the channel 01:19:54.830 --> 01:19:57.980 going properly, uh, I've needed to talk to 01:19:57.980 --> 01:20:00.290 a lawyer because I am a lawyer, but I don't 01:20:00.290 --> 01:20:01.550 do all areas of law. 01:20:01.580 --> 01:20:04.460 And one way that lawyers can get themselves 01:20:04.460 --> 01:20:08.450 into real trouble is by assuming, hey, I can 01:20:08.450 --> 01:20:10.520 just do stuff outside of my area, no problem. 01:20:11.930 --> 01:20:13.970 But when you start saying things like, hey, is 01:20:13.970 --> 01:20:15.200 that something I can do? 01:20:15.740 --> 01:20:18.260 You got to know you've got sort of a consistent, 01:20:18.380 --> 01:20:20.420 uh, you know, income too. 01:20:21.230 --> 01:20:24.405 So you can say like, Hey, if I, if I'm um, 01:20:24.465 --> 01:20:27.855 I also signed up for a better, uh, legal 01:20:28.344 --> 01:20:31.275 research tools so that I can get, because 01:20:31.275 --> 01:20:33.135 there's a lot of firearm cases that are just not 01:20:33.135 --> 01:20:34.545 available on CanLII. 01:20:35.085 --> 01:20:37.035 And I wouldn't be able to talk about them if 01:20:37.035 --> 01:20:38.925 I didn't have access to some of those tools. 01:20:39.195 --> 01:20:39.615 Right. 01:20:39.855 --> 01:20:41.745 But at the point where you're signing something 01:20:41.745 --> 01:20:44.115 saying for the next year, I'm going to be spending 01:20:44.144 --> 01:20:45.344 X much per month. 01:20:45.405 --> 01:20:47.985 You want to be able to say, I have some 01:20:47.985 --> 01:20:50.835 expectations of what sort of income I might have. 01:20:51.125 --> 01:20:51.415 Totally. 01:20:51.445 --> 01:20:52.555 Yeah, I guess those weapon offences. 01:20:52.555 --> 01:20:54.375 You don't want to be sitting there with, you 01:20:54.375 --> 01:20:56.935 know, no revenue and a whole lot of expenses 01:20:57.245 --> 01:20:59.115 Yeah, those manuals and the resources, 01:20:59.135 --> 01:20:59.644 they're not cheap. 01:20:59.644 --> 01:21:03.724 I get those weapons, offenses annual books 01:21:03.724 --> 01:21:05.825 that are put out by the law society or whoever 01:21:05.825 --> 01:21:09.184 I get those . Sent over, it costs a little bit. 01:21:09.184 --> 01:21:09.964 Little expensive. 01:21:09.964 --> 01:21:10.235 Yeah! 01:21:10.235 --> 01:21:11.825 Costs a bit to keep these things going. 01:21:12.335 --> 01:21:12.635 Yup. 01:21:12.695 --> 01:21:14.675 Well, and you know, other things like, you 01:21:14.675 --> 01:21:18.455 know, um, I'm planning to apply in the near future 01:21:18.455 --> 01:21:20.434 for a firearm business license and talking 01:21:20.434 --> 01:21:21.394 about this for awhile. 01:21:21.575 --> 01:21:21.755 Yeah. 01:21:22.635 --> 01:21:25.725 Just sending in that form is thousands 01:21:25.725 --> 01:21:27.255 of, you know, is more than a grand. 01:21:27.705 --> 01:21:28.125 That's right. 01:21:28.185 --> 01:21:30.135 Um, so lets me do stuff like that. 01:21:30.195 --> 01:21:33.675 It lets me, uh, I've got some stuff I've picked 01:21:33.675 --> 01:21:35.085 up that I plan to test. 01:21:35.085 --> 01:21:38.505 I'm getting, uh, molds for ballistic gelatin. 01:21:39.165 --> 01:21:39.375 Uh. 01:21:39.525 --> 01:21:40.095 So cool. 01:21:40.485 --> 01:21:44.505 So, uh, I was trying to develop my own mold, but 01:21:44.535 --> 01:21:46.485 I think I'm probably just going to go and buy one, 01:21:46.485 --> 01:21:51.045 but, um, you know, uh, one of the things I want 01:21:51.045 --> 01:21:53.415 to test is that often the test for if something 01:21:53.415 --> 01:21:55.665 is a firearm, is can it cause serious bodily 01:21:55.665 --> 01:21:59.955 injury or death, which is, does it, uh, you 01:21:59.955 --> 01:22:01.995 know, the sort of eyeball test, but the eyeball 01:22:01.995 --> 01:22:05.505 test, uh, you gotta have an eyeball that's in 01:22:05.505 --> 01:22:06.525 an appropriate medium. 01:22:07.695 --> 01:22:11.025 So I'm, the game plan is I want to sort of take 01:22:11.025 --> 01:22:14.110 this, put it in a mold and sort of surround it 01:22:14.130 --> 01:22:16.630 with ballistic gelatin for here is flesh 01:22:16.650 --> 01:22:19.710 around skull, around eyeball sticking, you 01:22:19.710 --> 01:22:21.720 know, and then scoop out the eye sockets and 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:23.700 plunk in a pig's eye. 01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:26.280 And then I can do proper testing of 01:22:26.580 --> 01:22:28.769 here's what happens when we shoot this 01:22:28.769 --> 01:22:32.280 projectile at this face. 01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:33.150 You know. 01:22:33.890 --> 01:22:35.420 You're going to have to name that skull 01:22:35.420 --> 01:22:37.940 Ralphie or Randy, or if you haven't already. 01:22:38.809 --> 01:22:41.090 Uh, I, I was asking for suggestions. 01:22:41.090 --> 01:22:42.349 I got a whole lot of good ones. 01:22:42.349 --> 01:22:44.210 I haven't sort of settled on one at this 01:22:44.390 --> 01:22:47.030 point, but, uh, there's a whole lot of good 01:22:47.030 --> 01:22:48.080 suggestions out there. 01:22:48.080 --> 01:22:50.660 I will have to sort of, uh, go 01:22:50.660 --> 01:22:51.440 through all of that. 01:22:52.220 --> 01:22:56.840 Um, but I mean, also things like, uh, just 01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:59.269 getting a torso shape for ballistic gelatin 01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:01.160 because often we're sort of shooting ballistic 01:23:01.160 --> 01:23:02.269 gelatin at a block. 01:23:02.809 --> 01:23:02.990 Right. 01:23:03.019 --> 01:23:05.570 And I think that there's useful things to that, 01:23:05.570 --> 01:23:08.930 but a torso shape has, um, some interesting 01:23:08.930 --> 01:23:10.730 elements to it because sometimes I see people 01:23:10.730 --> 01:23:11.720 shooting at a block. 01:23:13.485 --> 01:23:15.675 All of the expansion happens outside 01:23:15.675 --> 01:23:16.275 of the body. 01:23:16.785 --> 01:23:17.085 Right. 01:23:17.595 --> 01:23:19.155 You know, you've got things that expand 01:23:19.155 --> 01:23:22.245 late and it might have a really impressive 01:23:22.245 --> 01:23:25.905 expansion pattern, but you go, well, 01:23:26.385 --> 01:23:28.665 that happens after the bullet has left the, 01:23:29.265 --> 01:23:31.655 you know, the body, um. 01:23:32.395 --> 01:23:33.495 That's pretty exciting. 01:23:34.185 --> 01:23:34.905 Stuff like that. 01:23:34.905 --> 01:23:38.535 I'd also like to try to do things like get a pig 01:23:38.565 --> 01:23:42.255 carcass and try to embed ribs in it and so forth. 01:23:42.945 --> 01:23:45.735 Just to see if I could do a, I want to sort of 01:23:45.735 --> 01:23:47.505 do a test side by side. 01:23:47.985 --> 01:23:48.255 Right. 01:23:48.285 --> 01:23:50.175 Of like, here's what it looks like when there 01:23:50.175 --> 01:23:52.995 are bones in there versus here's what it looks 01:23:52.995 --> 01:23:55.485 like otherwise, you know, what difference 01:23:55.485 --> 01:23:56.265 does that make? 01:23:57.405 --> 01:24:00.405 Um, especially with small calibres, because 01:24:00.495 --> 01:24:03.675 if you look at .22 going into ballistic gelatin, 01:24:03.735 --> 01:24:06.525 it, you know, it makes a nice, neat pattern. 01:24:08.145 --> 01:24:10.365 And from seeing files where people have 01:24:10.365 --> 01:24:13.455 been shot with .22's um, often the pattern 01:24:13.455 --> 01:24:14.175 is not so neat. 01:24:14.205 --> 01:24:16.605 You get people who are shot, like, you 01:24:16.605 --> 01:24:19.215 know, entry wound here, exit wound here. 01:24:19.365 --> 01:24:19.695 Right. 01:24:20.295 --> 01:24:22.425 And you're going well, that doesn't happen if 01:24:22.425 --> 01:24:24.465 you're just making an arm entirely at a ballistic 01:24:24.465 --> 01:24:27.165 gelatin, because what ends up happening, you 01:24:27.165 --> 01:24:29.775 know, it goes in, it bounces off the bone, 01:24:29.775 --> 01:24:32.835 it deflects weirdly it hits it again and comes 01:24:32.835 --> 01:24:37.844 out and makes a weird sort of staple shape. 01:24:39.165 --> 01:24:42.675 Um, I've seen even weirder, exit entry 01:24:42.675 --> 01:24:46.995 wounds, uh, one with a entry wound, you know, 01:24:47.025 --> 01:24:51.735 under the chin exit wound out near the wrist. 01:24:52.985 --> 01:24:53.495 Really? 01:24:54.394 --> 01:24:55.594 They must have had their hand up or 01:24:55.594 --> 01:24:56.615 doing something funny. 01:24:57.264 --> 01:25:01.375 You'd think, but it's just, um, sometimes, 01:25:01.375 --> 01:25:03.535 and it's very weird scenarios, but you get 01:25:03.535 --> 01:25:06.325 sort of bullet tunneling where they start to 01:25:06.384 --> 01:25:07.674 tumble through the body. 01:25:08.115 --> 01:25:11.385 And they go in weird ways and being able to 01:25:11.385 --> 01:25:13.755 sort of play around with that would be at least 01:25:13.755 --> 01:25:14.925 interesting to see. 01:25:16.065 --> 01:25:19.215 You know, talk about some of these things and just 01:25:19.665 --> 01:25:22.485 heck just for my own, you know, own interest, 01:25:22.485 --> 01:25:25.605 being able to say, hey, listen, you know, people 01:25:25.605 --> 01:25:30.675 say, Hey 20, the, uh, the whole is a 22, a 01:25:30.675 --> 01:25:34.035 sufficient defensive, you know, cartridge, which I 01:25:34.035 --> 01:25:36.315 think most people would say no, but there are 01:25:36.345 --> 01:25:38.625 still people who say, yes, it's just fine. 01:25:39.345 --> 01:25:42.135 Um, how does it do against something of 01:25:42.135 --> 01:25:43.485 sort of skull density? 01:25:44.595 --> 01:25:46.035 You know, they say, well, so long as your 01:25:46.035 --> 01:25:47.145 shot placement is good. 01:25:47.145 --> 01:25:47.895 It'll be fine. 01:25:47.925 --> 01:25:49.275 Well, is it. 01:25:51.030 --> 01:25:51.330 Yeah. 01:25:51.360 --> 01:25:53.370 You know, and that's the age old question, what 01:25:53.370 --> 01:25:54.480 calibre is the best. 01:25:54.480 --> 01:25:56.130 And you're going to have a whole bunch of opinions 01:25:56.130 --> 01:25:58.830 on it because there you've got the scientific 01:25:58.830 --> 01:26:01.830 side and the theory, all of the physics and 01:26:01.830 --> 01:26:05.640 it makes perfect sense, but then everyone's a 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:08.850 little different people are moving and then you 01:26:08.850 --> 01:26:11.520 start to look at the statistical analysis 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.820 of, uh, where it lands. 01:26:14.850 --> 01:26:17.310 So, yeah, 22, absolutely perfect. 01:26:17.400 --> 01:26:19.290 Is it your, would that be my first choice? 01:26:19.320 --> 01:26:22.440 Well, no, but I it's going to kill you just 01:26:22.440 --> 01:26:24.750 as bad as a bigger round if placed in 01:26:24.750 --> 01:26:25.290 the right place. 01:26:25.790 --> 01:26:27.680 Most of the time, if you're talking about 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:29.630 defensive handgun, use people don't have 01:26:29.630 --> 01:26:30.830 time to go shopping. 01:26:31.230 --> 01:26:31.440 Right. 01:26:31.850 --> 01:26:33.470 Even if you've got somebody kicking down 01:26:33.470 --> 01:26:35.600 your front door, like let's say you make 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.620 it to your gun safe. 01:26:37.430 --> 01:26:39.950 You're probably grabbing the first thing where 01:26:39.950 --> 01:26:42.620 you can get a gun and ammunition together for 01:26:42.620 --> 01:26:43.760 it at the same time. 01:26:44.630 --> 01:26:45.800 Um, you know. 01:26:46.940 --> 01:26:48.630 .22 will do the job just fine. 01:26:49.090 --> 01:26:51.885 Well, and most defensive firearm use, 01:26:51.975 --> 01:26:53.955 involves not pulling the trigger at all. 01:26:55.005 --> 01:26:57.015 Uh, when you actually look into the, you 01:26:57.015 --> 01:26:58.815 know, the research on that often, it's 01:26:58.815 --> 01:27:01.835 just, I have a gun it's enough, you know? 01:27:02.465 --> 01:27:05.375 Cause you think about, you know, I was talking 01:27:05.375 --> 01:27:07.445 earlier about the burglar wants your TV 01:27:08.255 --> 01:27:11.825 while he might want your TV real bad, but 01:27:11.825 --> 01:27:12.815 probably not that bad. 01:27:12.875 --> 01:27:15.095 And he wants to do harm to you. 01:27:15.455 --> 01:27:18.905 You know, even if he's somebody like you get 01:27:18.905 --> 01:27:21.605 into a fight online, you know, you, somebody 01:27:21.605 --> 01:27:23.885 says, hey, you know, this is what the law is. 01:27:23.885 --> 01:27:25.955 And I say it actually isn't nieces, I'm going 01:27:25.955 --> 01:27:27.395 to come to your house and I'm going to kill you. 01:27:28.385 --> 01:27:30.035 And he shows up out of the, you know, 01:27:30.035 --> 01:27:32.405 outside and he's kicking down my door. 01:27:35.465 --> 01:27:37.055 People don't typically have that much 01:27:37.055 --> 01:27:39.905 commitment, you know, a lot of the time if they 01:27:39.905 --> 01:27:43.500 see a weapon they're like you know, I've kind of 01:27:43.500 --> 01:27:44.550 had a change of plans. 01:27:44.550 --> 01:27:47.460 I really like the fight of getting into, the idea 01:27:47.460 --> 01:27:49.770 of getting into a fight with a 120 pound guy. 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:53.280 I don't like that idea so much now 01:27:53.280 --> 01:27:53.910 that you got a gun. 01:27:54.270 --> 01:27:54.570 Right. 01:27:55.050 --> 01:27:57.390 Um, I mean, this is why cops carry 01:27:57.390 --> 01:27:58.830 firearms, in large part. 01:27:58.890 --> 01:28:01.920 The whole, even if the cop never draws 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:03.660 the firearm, simply having it on their 01:28:03.660 --> 01:28:06.960 hip is a tremendous disincentive to doing 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:07.920 violence to the cop. 01:28:08.160 --> 01:28:10.790 That's their very, very first stage on their use 01:28:10.790 --> 01:28:13.410 of force continuum is their officer presence. 01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:14.240 Yep, officer presence. 01:28:14.240 --> 01:28:14.600 Just being there. 01:28:14.990 --> 01:28:17.360 And officer presence, you know, the uniform does 01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:18.920 some stuff cause there's, some people are gonna 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:20.360 say, hey, you know what? 01:28:20.360 --> 01:28:21.140 It's a big deal. 01:28:21.140 --> 01:28:23.120 If I take a swing at this guy. 01:28:24.140 --> 01:28:25.520 But I mean, the officer isn't just 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.190 present as like random dude in a uniform. 01:28:28.850 --> 01:28:30.590 It's also that, you know, they've got the 01:28:30.590 --> 01:28:32.390 baton, they got the pepper spray, they 01:28:32.390 --> 01:28:34.520 might have a taser, they got a handgun, 01:28:36.050 --> 01:28:37.760 you know, that takes some commitment to say, 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.290 I want to go get into a fight with the guy, 01:28:39.290 --> 01:28:41.150 with all these weapons and some training. 01:28:41.610 --> 01:28:42.990 And the radio to call in all the 01:28:42.990 --> 01:28:43.919 backup in the world. 01:28:44.160 --> 01:28:44.429 Yeah. 01:28:44.730 --> 01:28:48.750 So all of this stuff is, uh, you know, you 01:28:48.750 --> 01:28:53.790 just, it's hard to say, but, uh, but yeah, in 01:28:53.790 --> 01:28:55.830 terms of the Patreon there's all sorts of 01:28:55.830 --> 01:28:57.690 things I would love to be able to play with. 01:28:57.719 --> 01:29:01.200 Um, high-speed cameras would be fantastic 01:29:01.230 --> 01:29:02.549 for looking at some of this stuff. 01:29:02.969 --> 01:29:04.679 I want a Phantom camera so bad. 01:29:05.190 --> 01:29:07.620 The thing is, I just can't justify it at. 01:29:08.070 --> 01:29:08.849 Only a hundred grand. 01:29:09.120 --> 01:29:09.540 Come on. 01:29:10.379 --> 01:29:12.780 I mean, you can get used ones for like 01:29:12.809 --> 01:29:14.810 low five figures. 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:15.900 See, you've been shopping. 01:29:16.580 --> 01:29:20.669 I have, but at the same time, like low 01:29:20.669 --> 01:29:22.769 five figures is still a lot of dollars right. 01:29:22.860 --> 01:29:24.530 It's still low five figures, yes. 01:29:24.530 --> 01:29:28.679 And you know, so if you're, if you're 01:29:28.679 --> 01:29:30.690 considered and you know, I don't just 01:29:30.690 --> 01:29:32.339 want one because it'd be fun to play with 01:29:32.580 --> 01:29:33.900 I mean, absolutely. 01:29:33.900 --> 01:29:37.200 It would, but things like, um, ranges 01:29:37.200 --> 01:29:38.669 get asked, you know, well, what about 01:29:38.669 --> 01:29:39.609 ground strikes? 01:29:40.710 --> 01:29:42.330 It'd be really great to be able to take 01:29:42.330 --> 01:29:44.700 one of those cameras, build a protective 01:29:44.700 --> 01:29:45.750 enclosure for it. 01:29:47.010 --> 01:29:50.220 And then, you know, take it somewhere where 01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:52.290 I know that it's a safe area, you know, 01:29:52.290 --> 01:29:55.710 a, uh, a box canyon or something like that. 01:29:56.790 --> 01:29:59.639 And see what happens on ground strikes. 01:29:59.700 --> 01:30:03.540 You know, what is this actually doing in terms 01:30:03.540 --> 01:30:04.440 of the ballistics? 01:30:04.470 --> 01:30:06.240 Because you know, maybe they're right. 01:30:06.269 --> 01:30:08.670 Maybe these things are a major danger to, 01:30:09.059 --> 01:30:09.870 you know, the public. 01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:15.389 But maybe they're just full of crap. 01:30:15.900 --> 01:30:19.290 So I would love to be able to go and do videos 01:30:19.290 --> 01:30:20.190 on stuff like that. 01:30:20.190 --> 01:30:23.700 Like here is what is, you know, going on with this. 01:30:24.240 --> 01:30:28.110 Um, if I get the business license and can look at 01:30:28.110 --> 01:30:30.090 some of these things, one, because one of the 01:30:30.090 --> 01:30:33.540 things people always ask me is, um, there's this 01:30:33.540 --> 01:30:36.090 knife I'm looking at online, is it prohibited? 01:30:36.540 --> 01:30:36.780 Right. 01:30:37.470 --> 01:30:39.360 Well, the knife itself, you know, it's really 01:30:39.360 --> 01:30:41.730 hard to evaluate that without actually having 01:30:41.730 --> 01:30:42.630 the knife in your hand. 01:30:43.950 --> 01:30:45.960 And the knife itself might be 80 bucks. 01:30:46.260 --> 01:30:46.500 Yep. 01:30:47.519 --> 01:30:51.510 But the risk of ordering that knife might be 01:30:51.900 --> 01:30:52.769 way bigger than that. 01:30:52.769 --> 01:30:55.380 So if I've got the business license and it 01:30:55.380 --> 01:30:57.570 allows for prohibited weapon import, I can 01:30:57.570 --> 01:30:59.099 say, hey, listen, I'm importing this 01:30:59.099 --> 01:31:02.220 knife for the purposes of, you know, the 01:31:02.220 --> 01:31:03.210 firearm business. 01:31:04.349 --> 01:31:05.670 And then I could do some things like 01:31:05.670 --> 01:31:06.269 that, you know? 01:31:06.780 --> 01:31:06.900 Um. 01:31:07.875 --> 01:31:09.405 Well, there's the other side as well, 01:31:09.405 --> 01:31:11.685 that once you've made that investment, it's 01:31:11.685 --> 01:31:13.755 done, you can't do anything with it. 01:31:13.755 --> 01:31:15.945 And especially like with firearms, if a prohibited 01:31:15.945 --> 01:31:18.885 firearm gets imported and a prohibited firearm 01:31:18.885 --> 01:31:21.945 is put into a business inventory, become dead. 01:31:21.975 --> 01:31:24.525 They can be traded or sold to other businesses 01:31:24.525 --> 01:31:27.675 or museums, but they can't go to individuals. 01:31:27.735 --> 01:31:30.045 And I'm saying like, let's say a grandfathered 01:31:30.075 --> 01:31:31.755 prohibited firearm that an individual 01:31:31.755 --> 01:31:33.015 could otherwise have. 01:31:33.345 --> 01:31:34.965 So there's that cost as well. 01:31:35.085 --> 01:31:36.525 It's not like it's something you can 01:31:36.525 --> 01:31:38.434 sell again afterwards, at least not easily. 01:31:38.485 --> 01:31:38.775 I mean, 01:31:38.795 --> 01:31:40.595 it's, it's a sunk cost. 01:31:40.595 --> 01:31:42.455 Like if I go and somebody says, Hey, is 01:31:42.455 --> 01:31:43.355 this knife prohibited? 01:31:43.355 --> 01:31:46.715 And I get it and go, yeah, it totally is. 01:31:47.765 --> 01:31:49.805 Um, at the end of the day, the result of 01:31:49.805 --> 01:31:52.145 that is I've got, you know, I've spent money 01:31:52.145 --> 01:31:54.335 on something that will never go anywhere. 01:31:54.965 --> 01:31:57.005 And in fact, you know, I might, after 01:31:57.005 --> 01:31:58.415 I'm done with it, I'd have to basically 01:31:58.415 --> 01:32:00.245 say, you know what, it's not worth keeping 01:32:00.245 --> 01:32:01.025 this thing around. 01:32:01.445 --> 01:32:05.370 Let's just take it to the, uh, the grinding 01:32:05.370 --> 01:32:06.990 wheel out back, and just sort of feed it 01:32:06.990 --> 01:32:08.160 in until it's a stub. 01:32:08.490 --> 01:32:08.910 Right. 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:12.150 So, you know, but that sort of expense 01:32:12.150 --> 01:32:15.360 is something that I can only do if I have 01:32:15.360 --> 01:32:19.170 some sort of, uh, some sort of accounting 01:32:19.170 --> 01:32:20.070 where I can say, hey. 01:32:20.120 --> 01:32:20.870 You need that. 01:32:21.019 --> 01:32:21.200 Yeah. 01:32:21.230 --> 01:32:22.910 And I, and I think people want to see 01:32:22.910 --> 01:32:26.360 that and I'm, oh, like. 01:32:27.860 --> 01:32:28.130 Yeah. 01:32:28.160 --> 01:32:30.230 I'm not like John Q bad-ass, I'm not going to 01:32:30.230 --> 01:32:32.120 be going and reviewing, like, this is the best 01:32:32.120 --> 01:32:36.530 tactical sling, because quite frankly, I would 01:32:36.530 --> 01:32:38.690 not be the guy I can tell you, you know, 01:32:39.050 --> 01:32:41.809 10 or 15 people who are absolutely the guy 01:32:41.809 --> 01:32:42.800 for that on YouTube. 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:46.910 Um, but I can look at something and go, is 01:32:46.910 --> 01:32:49.370 this legally interesting and talk about, you 01:32:49.370 --> 01:32:51.080 know, what are the laws around this? 01:32:51.860 --> 01:32:53.480 And I don't think there's a whole lot 01:32:53.480 --> 01:32:54.740 of, of that out there. 01:32:54.769 --> 01:32:56.690 So that's something I'd love to be able to do. 01:32:57.410 --> 01:32:58.950 I think you should raise a price for your 01:32:58.950 --> 01:33:01.710 Patreon membership, it's really low. 01:33:01.710 --> 01:33:03.390 And I mean, for what people are getting 01:33:03.510 --> 01:33:04.920 in the content that you're producing. 01:33:05.450 --> 01:33:07.370 I mean, the thing is, is I've got different tiers. 01:33:07.370 --> 01:33:09.530 People can sort of sign up on, you know, what 01:33:09.530 --> 01:33:11.360 they can afford and what they, what they think 01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:12.170 it's worth to them. 01:33:12.350 --> 01:33:12.620 Sure. 01:33:13.010 --> 01:33:16.940 I don't really want to be, uh, the other 01:33:16.940 --> 01:33:19.520 thing is I've had people who, you know, 01:33:19.700 --> 01:33:21.560 I had somebody sign up and say, Hey, I signed 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:23.900 up, but you know, this low tier and you know, 01:33:23.900 --> 01:33:27.680 but money is tight and I'm like, okay, don't. 01:33:28.250 --> 01:33:28.610 Right. 01:33:29.270 --> 01:33:29.720 What do you mean? 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:31.100 I'm like, if you're telling me money is 01:33:31.100 --> 01:33:35.600 tight, like, you know, feed your family first. 01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:38.060 This is entirely a luxury thing. 01:33:38.060 --> 01:33:41.390 It's, you know, I'm going to be okay. 01:33:41.450 --> 01:33:43.330 I'm not going to starve to death or whatever. 01:33:44.280 --> 01:33:47.280 Um, as much as I have big dreams for what might, 01:33:47.400 --> 01:33:48.480 you know, might happen. 01:33:49.020 --> 01:33:51.120 Um, even just like in terms of being able 01:33:51.120 --> 01:33:53.040 to afford things like a high-speed camera, 01:33:53.070 --> 01:33:54.720 that's a big dream. 01:33:54.870 --> 01:33:55.170 Right. 01:33:55.740 --> 01:33:57.990 You know, even just like, if I take an entire 01:33:57.990 --> 01:34:00.360 year's income, could I afford something like 01:34:00.360 --> 01:34:04.230 that even used, you know, that's a big dream. 01:34:04.470 --> 01:34:04.740 Right. 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:05.190 Totally. 01:34:05.670 --> 01:34:08.640 Um, but it's, these are dreams, right? 01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:11.310 Feed your family first is, uh. 01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:13.910 And then feed these dreams. 01:34:14.330 --> 01:34:16.730 Well, Ian let me, I think we should 01:34:16.730 --> 01:34:17.480 wrap it up there. 01:34:17.480 --> 01:34:19.410 We'll just keep this a real short after chat. 01:34:19.580 --> 01:34:21.650 And I just wanted to make sure people had an 01:34:21.650 --> 01:34:25.580 idea of what the Patreon account was about and, 01:34:25.580 --> 01:34:27.650 uh, what they can expect to see in the future, 01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:31.160 because man, you must be like the energizer bunny. 01:34:31.160 --> 01:34:33.380 You're pumping out so much content and 01:34:33.380 --> 01:34:34.820 good quality content. 01:34:34.820 --> 01:34:36.310 It's uh, it's impressive. 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.870 Well, I, uh, I set a goal of trying to get one out 01:34:39.870 --> 01:34:41.790 per day or other day. 01:34:41.970 --> 01:34:44.730 I don't always meet it, but that's the goal. 01:34:45.330 --> 01:34:47.940 And I'll tell you, um, sometimes it's, 01:34:47.940 --> 01:34:51.120 it's tough because, you know, you want 01:34:51.120 --> 01:34:53.010 to put out an hour of content because you're 01:34:53.010 --> 01:34:54.390 looking at a long video. 01:34:54.510 --> 01:34:56.940 It probably takes three or four hours to get 01:34:56.940 --> 01:34:59.309 that, you know, get that down to a place 01:34:59.309 --> 01:35:00.160 where I'm happy with it. 01:35:00.340 --> 01:35:00.840 Easily. 01:35:01.509 --> 01:35:04.559 And, you know, and that's, I don't 01:35:04.559 --> 01:35:06.150 have a whole lot of fancy graphics. 01:35:06.150 --> 01:35:08.250 I don't have a whole lot of fancy editing. 01:35:08.280 --> 01:35:10.740 I'll cut out parts where I'm like, no, 01:35:10.740 --> 01:35:11.700 I was rambling here. 01:35:11.700 --> 01:35:12.480 That's stupid. 01:35:12.510 --> 01:35:14.130 You know, cut that out and rerecord it. 01:35:14.340 --> 01:35:14.700 Yeah. 01:35:15.120 --> 01:35:19.290 Um, but you know, I don't have a whole lot of, if 01:35:19.290 --> 01:35:21.480 I wanted to step up my production values, I'd 01:35:21.480 --> 01:35:24.990 probably have to step down my, uh, my rate. 01:35:24.990 --> 01:35:26.580 And maybe at some point, I'll go back. 01:35:26.610 --> 01:35:29.880 If I get better at editing, I might go 01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:32.250 back and revisit some of my videos that are 01:35:32.250 --> 01:35:37.560 particularly important or ones that are lasting 01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:39.210 legal principles and do like, here's a 01:35:39.210 --> 01:35:40.410 shiny version of this. 01:35:40.970 --> 01:35:41.080 Yeah. 01:35:41.080 --> 01:35:41.750 That's a good idea. 01:35:42.380 --> 01:35:46.010 I'd love to see something like this used and create 01:35:46.010 --> 01:35:49.730 case law off of Runkle of the Bailey YouTube. 01:35:49.790 --> 01:35:53.210 I know of there's at least a few times where 01:35:53.210 --> 01:35:55.880 people have, other lawyers have sent my 01:35:55.880 --> 01:36:00.050 videos to prosecutors to say, hey, look, 01:36:00.170 --> 01:36:02.030 you've got the law wrong, here's a guy. 01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:05.180 And you know, it's not just me saying it just 01:36:05.180 --> 01:36:07.730 because I think this because he recorded 01:36:07.730 --> 01:36:08.900 this three months ago. 01:36:09.410 --> 01:36:12.350 So clearly this is his interpretation, 01:36:12.350 --> 01:36:13.430 he walks through it. 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:14.360 Watch the video. 01:36:15.320 --> 01:36:17.420 I haven't heard back yet in terms of results on 01:36:17.420 --> 01:36:19.790 those, but I am following up on some of them. 01:36:19.850 --> 01:36:21.920 I mean, often results are sort of slow. 01:36:22.190 --> 01:36:23.090 Sure, sure. 01:36:23.300 --> 01:36:24.770 But, uh, yeah, no. 01:36:26.580 --> 01:36:29.730 That's kind of the dream and I've already, there's 01:36:29.730 --> 01:36:32.580 already places where I've made it an impression on 01:36:32.580 --> 01:36:34.769 the legal system as it were, you know, sort of 01:36:34.780 --> 01:36:38.790 carved my, uh, my name in the Runkle V Alberta 01:36:38.790 --> 01:36:40.950 case is, is still cited. 01:36:40.950 --> 01:36:41.759 It was cited. 01:36:41.849 --> 01:36:45.209 Uh, not that long ago in the decision off, 01:36:45.330 --> 01:36:46.440 out of the east coast. 01:36:46.980 --> 01:36:47.250 Right. 01:36:47.250 --> 01:36:48.929 That's always nice when you're like, Hey, 01:36:48.929 --> 01:36:51.209 I was able to pick this fight and it, you 01:36:51.209 --> 01:36:52.379 know, it had an impact. 01:36:53.370 --> 01:36:55.169 Um, but. 01:36:55.169 --> 01:36:55.650 It feels good. 01:36:56.190 --> 01:36:56.459 Yeah. 01:36:56.610 --> 01:36:58.500 I mean, I say pick this fight. 01:36:58.500 --> 01:37:00.299 It was really, they changed the rules 01:37:00.299 --> 01:37:01.980 and I was like, I'm not having this. 01:37:02.360 --> 01:37:02.719 Right. 01:37:02.990 --> 01:37:03.679 So. 01:37:03.980 --> 01:37:05.389 Decided not to back down. 01:37:05.839 --> 01:37:06.049 Yeah. 01:37:07.219 --> 01:37:11.929 So yeah, that's, that's where I like to be. 01:37:11.929 --> 01:37:14.030 That's a, it's always nice to know that you're 01:37:14.240 --> 01:37:15.919 making a difference in some fashion. 01:37:16.370 --> 01:37:16.610 Totally. 01:37:17.750 --> 01:37:19.669 Well, Ian, thank you. 01:37:21.660 --> 01:37:24.360 Thank you for having me, as I said, it's 01:37:24.360 --> 01:37:33.530 wonderful being