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Unknown: But music is our way
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place at a time where it's hard
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anything right. A person on the
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They see it this way. A person
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thing, sees it another way. But
music is a place where we can

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all meet in the middle, where we
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the thing about music, this is
an analogy that I use when I do

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motivational speaking. If I take
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floor and I cough, right, two
things got nothing to do with

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each other unless I put them on
the beat. Drop, cop. Drop, drop,

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drop, right at that point, these
two things that used to be

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unrelated, these two things that
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a relationship, not just that
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space, but it's a relationship
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can build on. This is the rich
Redmond show. So,

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Joe, what was the first thing
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tell you this. I remember
playing third and Lindsley with

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this West African I think
they're mostly Nigerian cats,

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and we had a band called
osadalos, and it was kind of

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like a reggae world beat thing.
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was like, Oh, God, I hope we
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Joseph, and then Paul Chapman
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I miss Paul, me too, but really

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do really how you got on my
radar and all your brothers was

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the old third and Lindsley,
where there was the wall still

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there, and the pinball machine
in the corner. And you guys had

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a residency every Wednesday
night. And it was like there was

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never a question what people in
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Wednesday night, right? We're
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brothers. And you, I think you
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breaks.

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We would the closest thing we do
to take a break is let somebody

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take a long solo. Yeah, so that,
like, we always use drummers

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that had, you know, a big
repertoire of stuff that they

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wanted to say. So Raymond
Massey. Raymond Massey would

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walk off for 10 minutes, 15
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his thing. Then there was neoshi
Jackson. Neoshi There was, oh,

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I'm looking right at him. Well.
JD, Blair, Oh, yeah. JD, Blair,

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a bunch. I haven't seen JD in a
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JD did Shania for a long time he
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time too. And then when he was
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that's right. And I was I was
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was bagging groceries. Happy as
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be. Now that is an interesting
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musicians, I feel like we have
this, this pressure on ourselves

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to be we define ourselves as
human beings from making money

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exclusively from playing music.

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Yeah, some of some of us do. JD
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know, as as happens in music.
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has a different idea of the
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there you are out the door. But
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had a hard time making that
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Publix. He liked the people. He
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liked working with him, and he
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fine. Now, I've been talking to
him a bit, and he's talking

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about me playing on some
sessions with him again. So as a

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musician, you can't really turn
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So he's, I'm sure he's still
ever right with ideas with one

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of my favorite drummers to play
with, but, yeah, the other

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drummer is getting ready to
mention Marcus Finney. Yeah,

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Marcus Finney, just, you know,
lots of smooth,

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flip Winfield.

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What's his first name? I'm
having the same things. Take our

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ginkgo Balboa today.

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I'm taking mine every day. But I
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difference.

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Yeah, I'm taking my but

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I forget I know exactly what you
mean, Rob.

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That's right. But you know,
there's nice job lots of that

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was the closest thing that the
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taking a break was let somebody
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leave the stage and I'd sing
some of my songs and or, you

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know, somebody else would take a
long drum solo, or Reggie would

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take a long guitar thing, and it
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straight, straight music. It
forever. I think when we first

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started doing it was $4 to get
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Finally, Ron said, Reggie, you
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we moved it up to five. And when
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need a raise, that means you're
doing a good job. It means

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you're doing a good job. And you
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a little more. That's awesome,
and we but it was men. It was a

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lot of fun. And the good thing
about it is, you find out who

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you are, not in the practice
room. You find out like I when I

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came to Nashville,

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which what year was that? 1990
Okay, so I got here at 96 it

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quickly became 97

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Well, I was I arrived in
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1990

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I love the fact that you have
the exact thing, because I know,

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I know it was February or March.
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So September 18, 1990 and I
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friend of mine. Now, here's,
here's a crazy story. So I

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wasn't married yet. I was with
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Heidi. And we knew that we were
getting ready to leave. We

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thought, you know, I'm thinking,
I pretty much run out of options

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in Virginia. We were living in
Newport. News, Virginia gotcha,

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and I had come Victor had come
to Nashville in the late 80s,

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and to be part of the Fleck tone
thing Baylor was. Baylor was

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putting together a thing for
this, this special called the

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Lonesome Pine special, which
was, you know, kind of like the

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other Austin City Limits, kind
of like back in the day, and he

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was looking to put together this
special kind of bank, because

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Baylor obviously doesn't play
regular old banjo. So Kurt

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story, the late great Kurt
story, now, had worked with the

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brothers at Busch Gardens in
Williamsburg in the earlier part

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of the 80s. He said Baylor, the
best bass player in the world,

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lives in Virginia. His name is
Victor Wooten. So on Kurt on

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Kurt's story's recommendation,
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Baylor calls Victor on the
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over the telephone. Baylor says,
come to Nashville. So amazing a

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telephone audition. Victor comes
in Nashville, moves in with Jo

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Nell mosser, who, at the time,
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you know who's now singing with
the doobies. He's also the voice

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of operators. Victor moves in
with him. So Baylor is looking

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for a drummer. He's auditioning
drummers. Victor says, Baylor, I

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got her brothers doing some
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ever seen before. So Victor's
recommendation, electronic

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thing, playing the, I call it
the contraption, yeah, he was

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playing the thing, you know, it
was, uh, he had taken the, added

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some electronics to the old
synth X, synth X electric

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guitar, right? So the scent sent
X drama. So God Roy comes and

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and, you know, they hit it off,
and he knew he was going to use

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Howard Levy. So, you know, that
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was there was a competition in
at the old corner music next to

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forks, yes, and it was a guitar
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Wang off. All the rock
guitarists would get there do

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their thing, yeah, man, you
just, that's a rough name, man,

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that's a rough name. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. You say it on their

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imagery. That's right, yeah.
Everybody just kind of ignores

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where your brain obviously goes,
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So Victor was going to enter on
base, and they were like,

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Victor, this is a guitar
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like, you know, I want to enter
this thing on base, like Victor,

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you can't get into the wing off
on base. So Victor says, Okay,

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well, I got a brother. So he
calls Reggie. So Reggie comes in

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and he wins the guitar
competition. He still has the

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snake skin Randall. And the
snake skin, I think, is the

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Randall stack. And I think it
was a baby blue, a black with

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baby boo polka dots. Was it a
Kramer guitar? Anyway, he still

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has the stuff that he won from
there. So this is that was like

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in and so that was somewhere in
the late 80s. So there was a

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woman named Alice Randall. Alice
Randall is an author. She's a

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best selling author right now,
my Black Country, I think, is,

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but she is the name of the book
that she has now. At the time,

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she was doing the soundtrack to
an upcoming movie called Mother

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Dixie, and she wanted the title
track song, but she didn't want

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a normal country voice. So she
was asking Victor, you know, do

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you want to sing it? Victor is
like, I'm not really this

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singer, but I have a brother. I
got four other brothers, yeah.

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So he called, he called me, and
I came in. This is in the latter

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part of the 80s. I came in, sung
it. We hit it off. She loved it.

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And I'm in Nashville going, I
kind of, I like the feel of

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this. I was already feeling like
I was running out of options in

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Virginia, sure. And so I called
my then girlfriend, Heidi, and

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said, This feels like a good
place. They said, You know,

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we'll just consider it if it
looks if it moves in that

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direction, we'll do it. So she's
waiting to pick me up at the

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Trailways Greyhound station,
because by then Trailways and

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Greyhound emerged at Fort Eustis
at the bus stop, and while she's

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sitting there waiting for a sign
of whether it was a good move,

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sounds like, seems like. It
sounds like something out of a

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movie, but it's the truth. As
I'm stepping off the bus next to

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our Datsun 210 in the next
parking space, pulls in a U haul

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with Nashville, Tennessee on the
side, a moving a moving truck

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with Nashville

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on the side that's probably had
like a banjo rolling hills. It

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had the banjo on the boots. You
know, every every state has had

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the banjo on the boots. So not
long after that, a friend of

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ours, her name is Patty Bishop.
At the time, I had worked with

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her at Busch Gardens. She said,
I'm getting ready to get

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married. My husband and I are
going to have a house on the

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lake in Mount Juliet. You can
move in with us, if you want,

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until you get on your feet,
nice. And it all worked out. So

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we jumped in like you realize
how crazy you are when when you

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get older. But we jumped in a,
I'm not sure if it was four

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doors, but it was a Datsun 210
we had two cockatiels that had

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just laid eggs that wound up
hatching as we got to Tennessee,

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but we had a half Labrador, half
Collie. We had a half Dalmatian,

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half something. Yeah, we had two
cats, two cockatiels, and a big

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blue and gold Macaw. Exotic
pets. Yes, we, well, my first

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wife, you know, we've had all
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By the time I had kids, it was
easy.

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Joseph, you're on number two.

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I'm on wife number two, okay,
but I don't feel so bad. But we,

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we, we moved to Nashville and
and, and, you know, it all

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worked out three years later,
September the 12th, and I'm

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sorry, March the 12th. 93 I get
a call from Steve Miller. Ah.

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And I was in the Steve Miller
Band for 32 and a half years,

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and I saw you out there at the
First Bank Arena with Ron wixoe

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on the drums. That's right, it
was maybe two years ago.

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Fantastic. Yeah, it's a man
that's a fun show to play. Well,

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that's the one that's part of
the slice of Americana, or the

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American song. It

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really, was really storybook
about it for me, like graduating

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high school in 1979 all those
Steve Miller hits that was my

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middle school, high school. I
always loved fly like an eagle,

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because that's just, that's some
of the best b3 playing in a pop

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soul hit in a long time. And I
grew up done it. I'm the guy

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that got a chance to do it.

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What's it like to get a phone
call directly from Steve Miller?

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I mean, how does he open up the
call? Well, some people call me

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the space cow.

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No, nothing like that. He's,
he's Steve is a pretty off the

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stage, pretty straight guy.
Yeah, right. So I was doing a

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recording session for a man
named Chris McCarthy. Chris

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McCarthy wrote swing town. He
wrote a song called horse and

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rider. And I think he also, I
mean, he co wrote with Steve. He

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also co wrote, did you see the
light

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shoot? Is the song in a minor

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I'm looking at this anyway.
It'll come to me in a minute. He

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wrote that too and

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serenade I was

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doing a recording session for
him, two days of recording, and

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the first day he said, You Steve
Miller, just lost a keyboard

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player. You'd be perfect for it.
And yeah, when you're playing

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music, people tell you stuff all
the time. So I was polite. I

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didn't blow him off. I didn't
say anything rude, I just didn't

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do anything. And the next day,
it came for the next session. My

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car was down at the time, so he
came to my house and picked me

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up. And he said, You should have
said that audition tape

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yesterday. He said, Here's his
mailing address. You need. You

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need to do this. You'd be
perfect for this overnight,

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overnight. And he said that, uh,
you know, it's the kind of gig

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you go out for three months.
You've made your money for the

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year. You can do whatever you
need to do for the rest of the

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year great, which, when he gave
me his mailing address, I was

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like, okay, I'd be really
negligent not to send something

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in if I have his mailing
address. So Mike Webb is a

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keyboard playing friend of mine.
Love Mike, yeah, from Virginia,

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double kick productions. I don't
know why I remember that, but

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double kick productions. He also

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was in a band with Roy when Roy
had his first prototype strap on

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drum set.

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That's just really quick before,
just in case people are in the

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dark, paint a really quick
picture of who all your brothers

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are and what they play.

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Okay, youngest brother is
Victor, and most, most people

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know Victor Wooten. If you're a
bass player, you certainly know

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him. I'm second to the youngest
Joseph, three years older than

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Victor, three years older than
me, was Rudy, who used to blow

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two sexes at once, and Rudy's
jazz room is named after him. I

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did not know that. So if you if
you're in Rudy's and you look at

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the stage, if you look opposite
of the stage. On the back wall

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is his alto saxophone.

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So he did not know that. Yeah,
wow,

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yeah. So, and then one year
older than Rudy is Roy, aka

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future man, one year older than
less than a year older than Roy,

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they're 10 days inside of a year
for 10 days, they're the same

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age. Tech, they're the same age
right now. Reggie's birthday is

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on the 23rd so the end,
everyone's eight years apart.

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The whole cycle from the top to
bottom. Yeah, eight years nice.

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And that oldest is Reggie.
Reggie showed me how to play

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when I was five. Showed Victor
how to play when he was two. So

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he showed us at the same time.
And, yeah, I mean, showed us

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well enough that three years
after he showed us how to play,

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that was in 1967 Yeah, we were
opening for war. In 1970 we

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opened for war in Sacramento,
California at the Memorial

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Auditorium. Victor was Victor
was five and I was eight. Older

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brothers, 1112, 13. Less than
two years later, we opened for

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Curtis Mayfield on on his
Superfly tour. Amazing. Wow,

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three different shows. Oh, yeah.
So we, you know, when Reggie

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showed us, he showed us really
well. But back to 93 Yeah, he

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was asking, what's it like when
Steve calls Yeah, so I sent in

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the audition tape. What I did.
By then, the Wooten brothers had

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been to Arista Records and had
an unsuccessful record deal. So

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we signed to Arista Records the
same time they signed Whitney,

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same label, same producer.
Kashif was producing our album.

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He was producing his album. Was
that Narada? Narada, no, the

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Narada was on the next album. I
want to dance with somebody. He

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was on the next album, but
Kashif was. A hit maker at the

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time, you know, he had the
Evelyn champagne King hits. He

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had the he had the he was an R,
B hit maker at the time. He had

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the, so far so fun. You blow my
mind. Boom, boom, the boom,

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boom, boom. He had the way I
feel about you. There just ain't

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no doubt about it. I'm in love
Evelyn champagne king. He had

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some hits with her. He had some
hits with with Melbourne. More.

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Bet you see, don't love you. He
was a hit maker. So they wanted,

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Clive wanted to launch Whitney R
and B first. So they went to

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cashif Kashif had two songs to
do. One was a song called, you

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know, you give good love. When
she sang, you give good love, I

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was there, right? I watched her
sing it, come on. She was right

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on the other side of the glass.
The thing I remember, because

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most singers, you pull a
headphone off so that you can

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hear. And she would push both
the headphones on tightly and

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just sing like you'd never
heard. And at the time, nobody

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was really singing like that.
Yet. Now there's a bunch of

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them. There's Christina
aguileras, and you know, you

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mean, well, yes, sort of that,
that power vocal, with those

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riffs, they weren't really
singing just that approach yet,

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like Whitney showed another way
to sing, R, B before that, the

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singers largely were coming out
of the Aretha school. And then

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there were the Chaka singers,
the singers that sounded kind of

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like Chaka in comes Whitney
Clive knew what he had, and he

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was right. And I got a chance to
see it as it was happening.

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Kashif's second song was
supposed to be the second single

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was a song called thinking about
you. And because Kashif is

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producing our album, Kenny G's
album and his album, we're all,

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yeah, we're living. He bought
Jackie Robinson's place, Jackie

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Robinson's place in Stanford,
Connecticut. So we're living,

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you know, in Jackie Robinson's
old house. Yeah, there's,

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there's a picture of when we
first moved in. There was still

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a picture of Jackie Robinson
stealing home downstairs in the

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game room that became the
studio. There's pictures to him

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and all the great athletes of
the time. The coolest thing was,

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just before you walked
downstairs, upstairs, you walked

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past his National League MVP
plaque that was still on the

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wall, like living in
Cooperstown, right? So when

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Kashif was recording Whitney
songs, the second song was a

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song called thinking about you.
Well, she's singing, I'm in the

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booth just singing along,
harmonized. He goes, I like

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that. Go in there and sing it.
So I'm on, I'm on that song.

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Amazing. Now, similar to my
career, I didn't get paid for

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it. I didn't get credit. You
didn't sign no paper, yeah,

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well, because she was also the
producer, right? So you know,

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you're making your sacrifices
trying to, you

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know when, you know when Eddie
Van Halen played on, what was

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the big that he played on beat
it? Yeah, they just called him

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in, hey, play guitar. So on this
he thought he would never see

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the light of day. They said. He
said, Do you want to sign the

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paper? And he said, I'm

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fine. You know why he did that?
Though? Why? Because he didn't

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want the rest of the band to
know he did it.

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Well, the cat's out of the back.
Well,

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Alex Van Halen told the story in
his books, and he said because

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they didn't like anybody
pollinating in other bands, and

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Alex never played with anybody
else. He expected the same from

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everyone.

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Wow. So the footnote is longer
than the story. The reason I'm

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telling it is because when I
sent in my audition tape, yes,

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with Steve, I sent in I had just
as I'm bringing it all together.

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Mike Webb, I had just bought
software from him. Whenever we

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see each other, we start geeking
out keyboard wise, because,

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like, we were two of the first
that bought the D 50 back in

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Virginia, and so I bought his
old sequencing software. I

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bought his Master Tracks. So on
his Master Tracks, I did a funky

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loop of abracadabra, I put a
piano solo on it, an organ solo

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on it, and a synth solo. This
was your audition tape. This was

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my audition tape. Also on that
audition tape at the time, more

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than gigs surviving, I was doing
a lot of sound alike work where

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you go into sound like the K
tell what kind of like? Yeah,

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more. It's more you would see it
like, if you go to any place

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where they needed the popular
song but didn't want to pay the

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licensing of so I had all the
RMB and the hip hop Nice. So I

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had done boys to men's acapella
version of. It so hard to say

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goodbye to yesterday, so I did
that so that he would know that

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I could sing harmony, so that he
would know how I played. I sent

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the audition tape, and then I
sent a snippet of me singing

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with Whitney, so that he would
know that I had done it at a

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high level. And maybe I don't
remember how many days it was

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later, but you know, here's a
voice, a speaking voice that

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sounds just like his singing
voice. Hi. This is Steve Miller.

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I really liked your audition
tape. I'd like for you to join

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the Steve Miller Band. He said,
What I remember is him saying,

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this is the kind of gig that you
could have for the next 10

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years, if you want it, right?
And it was almost 33 not quite

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33 congratulations, yeah. And it
was, it was, it was fun. You

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know it was fun? Yeah.

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I mean, that effort that you
made bought you the 33 years.

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Absolutely, you could have just
mailed it and say, yeah, here's

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me blowing some changes, blah,
blah, blah, you know, that's it.

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But you made a nice

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I did, I, uh, I was, I'm kind of
like that. If I do anything, I'm

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gonna put my best foot forward.
Perfect. So I sent in, you know,

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the three kinds of like
abracadabras, do, do, do, and I

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did. Boom. Then I went in and
played like myself, yeah, no, I

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did. I didn't. I didn't know how
it was going to go. But after

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getting the gig, it was really
the thing that sticks in my head

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was he's like, Okay, you're in
the Steve Miller Band. You know,

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if you in a day, you'll get your
rehearsal tape. Got my rehearsal

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cassette

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tape, cassette audio tape.

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I got my cassette tape. But the
thing that I remember is, after

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getting the cassette, I didn't
know that I was familiar with

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that much. Steve Miller music,
yeah.

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So you get the songbook, right?
So you got Joker fly like a

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needle, abracadabra jet
airliner. Rock me, jungle love.

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And I was fortunate enough to
play, living in the USA, at the

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Ryman Auditorium for the School
of Rock with your brother

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Victor. Cool

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man, take the money and run.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Jungle

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love. I mean, wow, yeah, it goes
on and on swing town serenade.

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Is there one that's your
favorite? Is it? Would it be the

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fly like an eagle? By far? Fly
like an eagle is like, just

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right down my alley. Now I get a
chance to take a solo on it

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during the show. That's sort of
my big moment. It's how it

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opens. Well, sometimes we change
the set list slot. Yeah, we did

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the set list at one point with
fly like an eagle the opener.

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We've done the set list with fly
like an eagle, kind of, you

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know, in the showcase position.
But it's not my favorite,

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because I get a chance to take a
solo on it. It's my favorite,

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and I get a solo on it. But I
just, I think some of it I like

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it because the groove is very
similar to another song I really

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like, which is slipping in the
darkness by by war, yes, boom to

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boom to boom. Boom to boom to
boom, right? And both of those

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just hit me in a good well,

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the boom to boom to boom is
coming right from the Latin

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American clavie. It's coming
right from Bo Diddley.

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Absolutely, there's a lot
happening there.

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Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. I
mean, funk is just rhythm, and

426
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,320
rhythm it music is rhythm,
harmony, Melody, by far, the

427
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,960
most important component is
rhythm, because not everybody is

428
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,300
moved by the same harmony.
Melody is not the most necessary

429
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,480
component of music. It's like
the license plate on the car, so

430
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,520
you know, what's the signature.

431
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,340
Hey, now that is incredible. I
have not heard that viewpoint,

432
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:57,640
but you're, I would, I would say
you're absolutely right, yeah.

433
00:28:57,639 --> 00:29:00,239
I mean, you can, you can still
you can play music without a

434
00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:04,739
melody. You can groove without a
melody, but if you want to know

435
00:29:05,459 --> 00:29:08,699
what groove it is, I mean, you
don't have to play the whole

436
00:29:08,699 --> 00:29:12,299
concerto. You can just go, oh,
yeah, okay, you know what I'm

437
00:29:12,299 --> 00:29:16,859
talking about. The melody is
that, yeah, the melody is the is

438
00:29:16,859 --> 00:29:21,619
that is that is the identifier,
yes. But the most important

439
00:29:21,619 --> 00:29:26,239
component of music is rhythm,
because rhythm is the thing that

440
00:29:26,239 --> 00:29:30,079
puts us all on the same page.
You can have a good beat and not

441
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,399
even have any music. I use an
analogy. There's a there was an

442
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:37,879
old YouTube clip, and there was
one of the world's greatest

443
00:29:37,879 --> 00:29:42,099
violinists on the corner, and he
was playing, and people were

444
00:29:42,099 --> 00:29:45,219
just walking by, you know,
playing a Stradivarius, people

445
00:29:45,219 --> 00:29:48,279
just walking by, and somebody
was complaining that people have

446
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,619
no appreciation for music. He
was the world's greatest

447
00:29:50,619 --> 00:29:55,119
violinist ever, ever heard and,
and I was like, it's not that

448
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:58,239
people don't like violin. It's
just that every violin is not

449
00:29:58,239 --> 00:30:02,399
everybody's thing. You. But you
could take a drummer. It doesn't

450
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:05,879
even have to be a good bucket
drummer. Yes, a bucket. You

451
00:30:05,879 --> 00:30:09,299
could have a drummer, and all
he's got is a kick drum just

452
00:30:09,299 --> 00:30:14,759
going, and he's going to draw a
crowd, because people like, know

453
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:18,179
something's about to happen
right here, like he's setting

454
00:30:18,179 --> 00:30:23,299
something up. Because music,
rhythm, rhythm is the unifier,

455
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,479
without anybody having to say
anything, and that's what makes

456
00:30:26,899 --> 00:30:30,919
music so powerful. We have a
chance of unifying people

457
00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:34,999
skipping over all the things
that makes barriers, cultural

458
00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:40,479
barriers, cultural language
barriers, seminars, studies on

459
00:30:40,479 --> 00:30:44,139
religion, and we skip over all
of that and go right to

460
00:30:44,139 --> 00:30:47,619
togetherness, right to
togetherness. And that's what

461
00:30:47,619 --> 00:30:51,699
makes music such a powerful
tool. But largely it's the

462
00:30:51,699 --> 00:30:56,439
rhythm that does. It rhythm. It
rhythm is the unifier, because

463
00:30:56,439 --> 00:30:59,319
if you hear a good beat, you
don't even realize it. You hear

464
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,479
a good beat, and your head is
just going, yes, yes, yes, I'm

465
00:31:03,479 --> 00:31:06,299
in for whatever you're selling.
Yeah. So is it safe to say that

466
00:31:06,419 --> 00:31:09,359
every member of the Wooten
brothers plays little drums?

467
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:14,819
Yeah? I saw a picture on your
website with you behind a kid.

468
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:21,500
Yeah, I can play some drum Well,
when we were young in 1970 we

469
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:26,300
saw James Brown. Now my brothers
Reggie, Roy and Rudy had seen

470
00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:30,020
them as children. My aunt took
them to see James Brown, and

471
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:34,160
their lives were changed. But
Victor and I as a family, we saw

472
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,920
them in 1970 James Brown at at
his best back when Bootsy

473
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,660
Collins was in the band playing
that white finger precision, and

474
00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:48,880
his brother, catfish was on
guitar. Jabo Stark's Clyde

475
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,540
Stubblefield, oh my god, yeah,
Pee Wee and St Clair and Macy o

476
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:59,020
talk about over sampled and
underpaid. No doubt about it. No

477
00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:02,400
doubt about it. Hey. Really
quick. Macy o Parker, life on

478
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,880
planet, groove. You heard that
record, right? I haven't heard

479
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,160
the whole record. I've heard
some of it. My god, yeah. I

480
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,020
mean, so we saw James Brown, and
our lives were changed. Our

481
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,380
lives were changed. And why am I
telling this story? Oh, about

482
00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:20,660
the rhythm and you could play
drums. So, right? Thank you. So

483
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,340
we, the Wooten brothers, wanted
to recreate a lot of this James

484
00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:30,980
Brown stuff. So Roy, believe it
or not, aka future man, could

485
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:34,640
move just like James Brown, and
we knew we had to have that in

486
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,160
our show. So he taught me to
play, you know, this James Brown

487
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:44,740
groove so that he could come
from behind the drums and go out

488
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,720
and sing and dance like James.
So I learned, I learned to play,

489
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,180
and we had the strobe light and
everything. Because James Brown

490
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,000
had a strobe light, we had to
get a strobe light. Yeah. So the

491
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,380
Wooten brothers, to this day, we
are still James brownified to

492
00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:04,260
the to the extent that when,
because Reggie was still our

493
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Victor, and my musical mentor at
that time still is, I mean, to

494
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,380
this day, but when he was
teaching us a play, we go,

495
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:16,380
Reggie, Reggie. My kids are
there, and he goes in the James

496
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:20,060
Brown key, which we we knew it
was a James Brown key before we

497
00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:27,980
knew it was D, what keys it in?
It's two down from the James

498
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:31,040
Brown key. It's one up from the
James Brown key, long before we

499
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,080
knew C and E flat proximity to
the James Brown key, that's

500
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,780
incredible, and that was a fun
way of growing up. Kept us out

501
00:33:40,780 --> 00:33:44,680
of trouble, gave us focus. They
kept other people from trying to

502
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,980
get us in trouble. Yes, because
they recognized that we were

503
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,980
focused. And when people see
that you're focused, other

504
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:57,880
people want to even the even the
even the the wrongdoers, yes,

505
00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:00,660
don't want to see you lose your
focus and get pulled into that

506
00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:04,020
so they they weren't trying to
get us into gangs. They weren't

507
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:08,520
trying to get us to drink or do
drugs. We were just focused. You

508
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,400
had your purpose. We had our
purpose, and they knew it too.

509
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:15,720
So it's what's really gratifying
as an adult, when we go back to

510
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,460
our old neighborhood in Virginia
and people still hold us in high

511
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:24,740
esteem because we were sort of
for them. We were their local

512
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:29,300
Jackson Five. Like we won. We
had a we were opening for

513
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:34,340
Stephanie Mills back in the 80s,
and the tour bus came down the

514
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:37,220
street and pulled right up to
the house, and like, you know,

515
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,120
we, we might as well have been
in the Jackson fire, and still

516
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,620
to this day, people are still
proud, yeah, to tell other

517
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:50,140
people, oh, yeah, I grew up with
Victor Wooten. No, I grew up

518
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:54,160
with Joseph Wooten. Or yeah, you
know, as it feels, it feels

519
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:58,300
good, but that's what music
that's what music does, and

520
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:02,640
largely, it's. It's the rhythm
and the things that you attach

521
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,740
to the rhythm that does it notes
by themselves. I mean, without

522
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:12,360
rhythm, music is just a pile of
notes with no context. But when

523
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,900
you hang those notes on rhythm,
it's the spaces between those

524
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:20,040
notes that give those notes
purpose, yes, and that's that's

525
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,980
the power of it. That's why I
love being a musician. And

526
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,960
foolishly or smartly, I'm not
exactly sure I think, I think I

527
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,100
have a tool that can help us get
out of this mess we're in.

528
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:43,120
Because music never fails. It
like never if you go back to the

529
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:50,500
early 70s or the late 60s,
right? There's the war effort

530
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:54,400
they're trying to fight in
Vietnam. And here's this hippie

531
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,160
kid with a guitar and a
microphone singing, give peace a

532
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,080
chance. There are these people.
They just skip over the

533
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,860
government mandate. They're
burning draft cards. They're

534
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:08,940
sitting in peace circles with
love beads, and they burn and

535
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:11,580
they're just messing up the war
effort. I'm not saying they're

536
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:15,480
right or wrong. I'm just saying
that music is a disruptor. Yes,

537
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,360
at the highest level, at the
highest level, there was

538
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,180
nothing, there's there's nothing
that Congress could do, so they

539
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:27,080
just deported him. Gotta get out
of here. We're trying to fight a

540
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,060
war here. And it's not like he
had an AK 47 and a knife. He

541
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:36,380
had, like a guitar, just to get,
not even always a microphone and

542
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:40,660
an idea. Oh, we are saying is
give peace a chance. And this

543
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:48,280
idea from this guy, with some
notes and some beats and a good

544
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,780
idea disrupted the whole
machine. So that's possible.

545
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,280
It's possible coming out of the
out of the civil rights

546
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,360
movement, I mean, they're
arresting them, they're beating

547
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,260
them, sticking dogs on them,
fire hoses. And they sing their

548
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:08,040
way through the misery This
little light of mine, or or we

549
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,240
shall overcome. They sing their
way out of it. Yes, the worst

550
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,020
oppression always gets rid of
the music. Take the drums away

551
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,480
from the African stop the
Indians from doing the Ghost

552
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Dance, because you'll you will
create yourself free if it's

553
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,020
allowed to happen. And

554
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:27,380
then you have Congo Square, and
then there's an outlet for that,

555
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:30,020
and then there's this whole
other art form that's born

556
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,100
Absolutely. It's like, it's
incredible. I love the I love

557
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:34,640
that you

558
00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:38,420
put rhythm on a pedestal, like
that,

559
00:37:38,899 --> 00:37:43,479
man I do. In fact, James Brown
did too. So James Brown was a

560
00:37:43,479 --> 00:37:46,179
drummer, right? So the beat that
you learned was everything?

561
00:37:46,179 --> 00:37:48,279
Well, yeah, absolutely.

562
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:51,940
Drummer that one, yeah, I mean,

563
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:58,600
but that's, in my opinion, in my
opinion, that's when, that's the

564
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,880
turning point where James Brown
goes from playing R B to playing

565
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:10,560
funk right at that point. That's
just, that's not just R B, it's

566
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,880
swinging a little bit. Oh yeah,
that's funk and that. And from

567
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,180
there, you know, James Brown
becomes not just a R B soul

568
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:23,300
artist. He becomes a funk
artist, and then Sly Stone

569
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:27,620
electrifies it, and then
Parliament electrifies and then

570
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,000
takes it into space.

571
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,520
But that

572
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:35,660
Do you know brother Paul the
keyboard player? Brother Paul,

573
00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:38,900
Brother Paul the water boys,
absolutely. He's got a funny

574
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,500
story about thinking that he was
gonna go see kiss in his youth.

575
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,060
And he's goes to the, you know,
the convention center, wherever

576
00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:50,380
they were playing. And it was,
it was wrong, it was people. And

577
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:53,560
he said, I went inside, and it
just changed my life.

578
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,980
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
for a reason, yeah. Interesting

579
00:38:56,980 --> 00:39:01,260
thing is like that those guys
knew what they were doing like

580
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:04,740
James. Let me hold that point.
The point that I was getting

581
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:07,740
ready to make is James Brown
would challenge his band. He

582
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:09,960
would ask them what instrument
they were playing. You know,

583
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,500
this is a trumpet. Mr. Brown,
no, no, that ain't right. It's a

584
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,020
guitar. Mr. Brown, no, no, that
ain't right. All of you are

585
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,380
playing drums. He would tell
him, all y'all playing drum you

586
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:22,940
play because he knew that he and
Bobby bird used to talk about

587
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:26,600
the funk like, you know, they
get over in a corner and they'd

588
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,180
be talking to each other like it
was a government secret.

589
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Somebody else came in that they
didn't feel belonged in the

590
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,420
conversation. They stopped
talking. But he knew that he had

591
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:40,420
this potent thing, because what
made James Brown different is he

592
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,240
was doing it for a purpose. He
knew his people were in trouble,

593
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,080
and he knew he had a vehicle for
getting him out, and he knew

594
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480
this rhythm and this
togetherness that he could do to

595
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:52,780
get him. He also knew that money
with you had enough money you

596
00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:58,120
could do anything. So when we
saw James Brown, he was

597
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:05,280
performing 300 35 nights a year,
30 like out of the year. He only

598
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,580
had took off Christmas. He only
had the month up. He had

599
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,300
literally two bands. One band
was traveling and one band was

600
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:15,900
playing, and he was in the jet
playing every night. Wow, he

601
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,540
knew that he was bigger than the
promoter. What do I need a

602
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:22,340
promoter for? I'm the promoter.
I'll pay some, you know, some

603
00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:25,520
little hungry cat, you know,
from college. I'll give him a

604
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,440
few 100 make flyers, yeah, to
sell it, to get on the radio and

605
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,040
make sure they know, make sure
they know I'm coming. And he

606
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:40,220
would take all those suitcases
of money out. And his plan was,

607
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,840
his plan was to buy up enough
radio stations so black people

608
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,480
could get on the radio, because
radio was really segregated back

609
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,600
in those days. That's where the
term crossover artist comes

610
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,780
from. Black people could only
play on black radio, which was

611
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:59,980
limited, you know, just a
limited clientele. If you

612
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:03,720
crossed over on the white radio,
you could be a national hit,

613
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,020
like, I feel good. Was a
crossover hit. You what I mean,

614
00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:09,900
I didn't, wasn't Alan Freed, the
guy that would play African

615
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:10,920
American artists. Yeah,

616
00:41:10,919 --> 00:41:13,259
there was a few of them. Alan
Freed was the one we know about

617
00:41:13,259 --> 00:41:16,439
the most. There were, there were
a few of them that would there's

618
00:41:16,439 --> 00:41:19,439
always throughout history,
there's always some people that

619
00:41:19,439 --> 00:41:25,399
bucked the system. I think it
was, I think it was Betty

620
00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,859
Wright, I think when she was
younger, I hope I had the actors

621
00:41:27,859 --> 00:41:36,679
right who dared to let this
black tap dancer, you know,

622
00:41:36,739 --> 00:41:40,099
stand beside her. I don't know
if she held his arm or kissed

623
00:41:40,099 --> 00:41:44,139
him on the cheek or something,
but it was like, super taboo,

624
00:41:44,259 --> 00:41:48,219
like for a minute. Nat King Cole
had a 15 minute show back in the

625
00:41:48,219 --> 00:41:54,039
50s. Just 15 minutes, and
somebody can't remember they

626
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,979
kissed him on the cheek or
something, and boom, he's gone.

627
00:41:56,979 --> 00:42:00,539
It's a different time in the
country, but music could always

628
00:42:00,539 --> 00:42:05,099
cut through, yes, and that's
what James knew. So he was all

629
00:42:05,099 --> 00:42:09,299
those nights he's playing to
make enough money so that his

630
00:42:09,299 --> 00:42:14,339
people could play music like the
rest of it. He had a grand

631
00:42:14,339 --> 00:42:19,499
vision. He did. He really did.
That's why he took, he took a a

632
00:42:19,499 --> 00:42:23,719
lot of heat when he endorsed,
when he endorsed Richard Nixon,

633
00:42:23,779 --> 00:42:27,259
because Richard Nixon knew he
needed some black voters. How do

634
00:42:27,259 --> 00:42:30,439
you get black voters? You caught
James Brown. We made a bunch of

635
00:42:30,439 --> 00:42:35,059
promises to James, and James
knew a president could help his

636
00:42:35,059 --> 00:42:38,719
people. What? Of course, Nixon
didn't live up to any of them.

637
00:42:39,259 --> 00:42:43,719
And you know, word was calling
the White House just causing up

638
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,659
a storm. Yeah, because, you
know, not only did you make me

639
00:42:46,659 --> 00:42:51,579
look bad, but you didn't deliver
on what you said. That long

640
00:42:51,579 --> 00:42:57,999
story to show the power of music
and moving culture with the

641
00:42:57,999 --> 00:43:02,279
right person. Because it's easy.
It's easy to be unfocused when

642
00:43:02,339 --> 00:43:04,799
your music is powerful and
people start telling you how

643
00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:09,899
good you are, it's easy to lose
your focus. A regular, sensible

644
00:43:09,899 --> 00:43:12,599
person, it's easy for you to
lose your focus and think, I

645
00:43:13,979 --> 00:43:18,839
don't know what you think, but
to be unfocused. But music is

646
00:43:18,839 --> 00:43:22,339
our way out, because it's a
meeting place at a time where

647
00:43:22,339 --> 00:43:26,299
it's hard to get anybody to
agree on anything right. A

648
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,659
person on the right sees looks
at one thing. They see it this

649
00:43:29,659 --> 00:43:32,539
way. A person on the left looks
at the same thing, sees it

650
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,839
another way. But music is a
place where we can all meet in

651
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:40,419
the middle, where we can all
meet in the middle. And the

652
00:43:40,419 --> 00:43:43,599
thing, the thing about music,
this is an analogy that I use

653
00:43:43,959 --> 00:43:44,979
when I, when I,

654
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,520
when I do motivational speaking,

655
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,540
if I, if I take a chair and I
drop it on the floor and I

656
00:43:55,540 --> 00:44:00,360
cough, right? Two things got
nothing to do with each other

657
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:09,420
unless I put them on the beat,
drop, cop, drop, right at that

658
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:12,300
point, these two things that
used to be unrelated, it's

659
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:15,180
awesome. These two things that
used to be unrelated now are in

660
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,300
a relationship, not just that
they're respecting each other's

661
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,080
space, but it's a relationship
that we can build off of. We got

662
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,920
a baseline. I can add some keys.
We can bring a rapper in before

663
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,100
you know this choreography, you
know we're signing release forms

664
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,380
based off of these two things
that you should be unrelated, a

665
00:44:30,379 --> 00:44:34,459
chair and a cough, organized in
a specific manner, the

666
00:44:34,459 --> 00:44:36,199
foundation of the house,

667
00:44:36,379 --> 00:44:40,479
respecting, essentially, though
the moral of that story are

668
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,399
sounds that are different,
sounds that are different that

669
00:44:45,399 --> 00:44:49,299
now respect each other's space
in an intelligent way that

670
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:55,239
applies to sound. It applies to
people. So what happens is with

671
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,799
people, when we're different,
rather than finding a way for us

672
00:44:59,799 --> 00:45:03,059
to. Respect our space
differently. I mean, I'm sorry,

673
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,399
intelligently. Instead, we do
more like competition, like

674
00:45:08,399 --> 00:45:11,699
sports, like sports is
entertaining. Sports is

675
00:45:11,699 --> 00:45:14,639
entertainment, but it's not a
way of moving culture forward,

676
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,719
because sports is always
creating new losers along with

677
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,715
the winners. We win at
somebody's expense, and that's

678
00:45:22,955 --> 00:45:26,735
good for entertainment. It's a
terrible way to move culture

679
00:45:26,735 --> 00:45:30,335
forward. I mean, that's why war
is the most lethal form of it.

680
00:45:30,635 --> 00:45:36,755
We win. You know, it's a lethal
competition, yes, but if we

681
00:45:36,755 --> 00:45:40,779
could learn the lesson of music,
music takes things that are

682
00:45:40,779 --> 00:45:44,139
unrelated and have them respect
each and has them respect each

683
00:45:44,139 --> 00:45:47,919
other's space intelligently, and
it gives sounds that are

684
00:45:47,919 --> 00:45:50,919
incompatible, a path forward
that we can build on. And the

685
00:45:50,919 --> 00:45:56,739
way that we do it culturally is
just to sell respect, rather

686
00:45:56,739 --> 00:46:00,959
than trying to get you to think
like me, right? If G and G and a

687
00:46:00,959 --> 00:46:04,199
flat. You know, they're the
picture of tension. They're

688
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:10,079
right next to each other, yes,
but if one of, if one of those

689
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,639
notes, I call it, take the high
road, you're still a G, just be

690
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,999
a higher version of a G, right?
And now you got to a flat and a

691
00:46:17,999 --> 00:46:20,839
G, we can maybe play A flat
major seven, and we have more of

692
00:46:20,839 --> 00:46:25,039
a chance of harmony if we if
they're not competing for the

693
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:30,439
same space, you should. I mean
in terms of civilization, if we

694
00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:36,139
can learn the lesson of music,
the lesson is put respect

695
00:46:36,139 --> 00:46:40,659
between the two of us. You don't
have to stop being conservative

696
00:46:40,659 --> 00:46:46,479
or liberal or whatever it is, I
don't have to stop as long as if

697
00:46:46,479 --> 00:46:49,599
I need to move a couch, if I can
call you, you know what I mean?

698
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,899
Yeah, then hopefully your
conservative self will come over

699
00:46:52,899 --> 00:46:56,739
and help me move this couch, or
your liberals or whatever. But

700
00:46:56,739 --> 00:47:00,219
instead, we're still competing.
We're still trying to make the

701
00:47:00,219 --> 00:47:03,779
other person be more like us,
and that's not a way to move

702
00:47:03,779 --> 00:47:07,199
society for which is why
politics is necessary, but it's

703
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:11,459
not the answer, because politics
is competition too. Yeah, trying

704
00:47:11,459 --> 00:47:14,699
to the right tries to, you know,
the we're right, you're wrong,

705
00:47:14,699 --> 00:47:17,879
yeah, then they're right on the
right. The right tries to own

706
00:47:17,879 --> 00:47:23,839
the left. When the tool that I
use with people, I'll say, if

707
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,959
you want, if somebody voted for
candidate A, you voted for

708
00:47:26,959 --> 00:47:30,319
Candidate B, before you tell
them why Candidate A is wrong.

709
00:47:30,619 --> 00:47:32,419
Make that point first, like

710
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:36,920
I was talking to a person, I
said, Okay,

711
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,900
you thought the last leader was
weak. You wanted somebody

712
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,780
strong. You knew he wasn't
perfect, so you went with this,

713
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,940
with the strong leader, even
though you knew he wasn't

714
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:49,480
perfect. You didn't like the way
the country is run. Businessman.

715
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,600
You see a business you thought
you say a businessman would be

716
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,580
better at it. I understand that.
Here's my concerns. Now we're

717
00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:00,480
having a conversation, and that
person knows that they're heard.

718
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,260
They know that whether I agree
with them or not, they know that

719
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:06,480
I don't disrespect them and I
don't think that they're

720
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,360
unreasonable. And those are the
things that everybody needs.

721
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,360
Those are the part of the basic
things that we need in life, to

722
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,080
feel like we're reasonable and
to feel heard. Now we can, if we

723
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,680
do it that way, we can move
forward even if we disagree.

724
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,020
That's me taking the high road.
That's me being G up here. I

725
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:27,380
could be G right next to a flat
and go, Hey, man, you're in my

726
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:30,080
space. You know what I mean. And
we do that tug of war that we

727
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:35,300
see everybody do, but we we're
so convinced that that we have

728
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:39,020
to succeed at somebody else's
expense, and it's not the truth.

729
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,340
And because we don't do that
with notes. That's why we can

730
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:46,000
make music. Music is a path
forward for all of these sounds

731
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,660
that don't match what I what I
do. And then I'll let you get a

732
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:50,200
word,

733
00:48:50,979 --> 00:48:55,119
because you're opening up
Pandora box. You know, for you

734
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,539
as an author and a speaker, and
you've got some great concepts

735
00:48:58,539 --> 00:48:59,499
on things that I want to

736
00:49:00,340 --> 00:49:04,860
address. The point that I'm
making is what I do is so people

737
00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:08,280
can feel the beauty of music.
I'll tell somebody to say

738
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,220
something positive that means
something to you. And then,

739
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,340
like, one time somebody said,
you live and you learn. So, you

740
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:20,280
know, I went to the key well,
you live and you learn, but

741
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:23,900
you live and you learn,

742
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,320
or you crash and you burn, and
you know everybody sang the

743
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,320
refrain, put a verse on it. And
I said, I do that so that you

744
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,100
can see how music can take
something ordinary and make it

745
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,040
extraordinary. Turns it into an
anthem, turns it into something

746
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,060
we can all join in on. But then
I said, but this is what I make

747
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:46,180
music from. And then I go to the
piano and press all the keys

748
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:50,740
down. I says, Make music from a
mess. That's that's the source

749
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:53,800
of music is a mess, and so is
the life that we're living. It's

750
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,280
a mess, but like all these keys
down on the piano, it's a mess

751
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,660
with potential. It's what the
reason that is. Beautiful is

752
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:04,320
that you hear that I've given
this mess, you can hear that

753
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:09,120
I've given this mess a path
forward. That's what music is, a

754
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,920
path forward for the mess and
civilization can be that too. We

755
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,800
just have to undo it in a
different way than competition.

756
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Competition is not it's not the
way. It's entertaining. If

757
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,800
you're winning like people will
say, Nothing brings people

758
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,740
together like sports, because
they'll see a Super Bowl winner,

759
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:30,680
and everybody's together. But
meanwhile, on the other bus,

760
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,640
it's the worst

761
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,920
day. The other side of the Super
Bowl Shuffle was like the

762
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Patriots. They weren't so happy
going back to New England and

763
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,700
whatever that year is, and life
doesn't have to be success at

764
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:52,060
somebody else's expense. It's
also the reason I don't really

765
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:55,600
like music competitions, because
music is really we don't really

766
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,040
sing to make somebody else lose,

767
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,380
and that's what we have now with
American Idol and the voice. We

768
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:02,520
have these gamifications of
people's talent and

769
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,760
dreams. And I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that it's a bad

770
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,900
thing. It's given us some great
artists. But also, the detriment

771
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,500
of it, it has us listen to music
going, Oh, that person's not as

772
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,080
good as that person. That's not
what music is for. Well, how do

773
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,860
you describe how do you define
good? But everybody defines it

774
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:22,940
from where they sit. Yeah,
right. It's like, if I'm sitting

775
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:26,540
here, that mailbox is behind the
tree. It ain't behind the tree

776
00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:30,260
from where you're sitting, but
for me, you know, you can't see

777
00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:32,360
it. It's in the wrong place,
because I can't see it. And

778
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,960
everybody's everybody's
perspective, is different. I

779
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,600
would love. And then I'll let
you get a word

780
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,400
in. This is highly educational,
and we're getting a glimpse into

781
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,000
your talks, man,

782
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:48,520
but I would love, I would love a
music show that's not

783
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:54,640
competition, a music show that
just highlights a person's

784
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,560
positive things and gives them
more ideas of where Their music

785
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,440
is good. Get us out of that this
person is not as good as that

786
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,620
person. No, that person can't
sing. This person can sing. It's

787
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,140
like, there's, there's not
really a reason for that, and

788
00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:14,340
that's music. We don't learn
music to make somebody else lose

789
00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:19,920
I mean, that's, that's why the
music business is anathema to

790
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,420
the music because the music
business is there to make you

791
00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:26,060
bigger than somebody else.
It'll, it'll make you kick

792
00:52:26,060 --> 00:52:29,240
somebody else off the stage if
you can, you know, get this, get

793
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,620
the headlining spot. That's not
what music is for. The music

794
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:37,220
business. That's a music
business. That's why musicians

795
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:40,480
make such terrible business
people, because we're more

796
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,500
creative brand, yeah, well, also
because you get good with your

797
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:50,260
humility. You get good by
knowing, by by seeing how far

798
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:53,800
you are away from where you want
to be. That is humbling. Yes,

799
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,320
it's only, it's only the ego
test that goes, Man, look how

800
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,460
good I am, right? You're, it's
like counting to infinity,

801
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,240
right? You can, you can count to
5 million. You're no you're no

802
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,540
far, you're no closer to the to
the goal than when you started.

803
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:12,360
And if you're an arrogant
counter, it doesn't make any

804
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,720
sense, because you're no closer
to the distance. I mean, you're

805
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:21,440
no closer to the end. But the
quality, the quality of what you

806
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,220
do is available to everybody
really what what you should be

807
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,120
chasing, or what you could be
chasing that is fulfilling every

808
00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:34,160
every individual has a unique
perspective that nobody else

809
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,640
has, and once you find it,
you're out of the competition

810
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,200
like it was my brother Roy that
said nobody will compare Stevie

811
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,980
Wonder and Ray Charles. And
they're both blind piano

812
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:50,920
players, singer songwriter, you
know what I mean? You don't

813
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,660
compare them because they're
both. They're so individual that

814
00:53:55,660 --> 00:54:00,900
they don't overlap. And the
hardest thing, the hardest thing

815
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:05,280
on the planet is to find your
voice and express from there is

816
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,080
like, it's such a paradox. The
most unavoidable thing in life,

817
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,880
which is to be yourself, is the
hardest thing in the world to do

818
00:54:15,060 --> 00:54:17,460
something that was taught to you
when you were young. Because

819
00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:20,420
that's funny, we brought up the
Van Halen brothers. That was

820
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:24,140
like, that was their foundation.
Their father was a musician, and

821
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:26,720
they said, as long as you, when
people hear you, they know it's

822
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,220
you that was very important,

823
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:33,740
really well for us, it wasn't my
parents, it was my brother,

824
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:38,000
Reggie, for whatever reason. You
know, he's Victor's two,

825
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,120
Reggie's 10. And Reggie, as a 10
year old, is looking for

826
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,480
something that he and his
brothers could do together

827
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:50,560
forever. So he said he was
young, he always loved running

828
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,160
fast. You know, at one time, he
wanted to be the fastest in the

829
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:00,060
world. He realized couldn't do
that forever. And and I, I. I

830
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:03,480
remember hearing we were living
on a military base in Hawaii,

831
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,740
and I remember how exciting it
would sound that somebody down

832
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:10,260
there, you know that you could
hear the bass guitar carrying

833
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:12,720
and you could hear the drums
carrying. It was so exciting.

834
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:17,640
And it was his idea to teach
Victor and I to play because he

835
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,900
was already playing Roy's
ukulele. Roy was already beating

836
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,900
on things, and Rudy was playing
the recorder. They were all

837
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:26,540
really good. I never remember
them sounding like they were

838
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:29,660
learning. I only remember them
sounding like they could play.

839
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:34,460
So Reggie, you know, essentially
said, you know, Joe, if you do

840
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:37,580
this and Vic, you do that, you
can be part of the band. Well,

841
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:39,980
of course, we want to be part of
whatever our older brothers were

842
00:55:39,980 --> 00:55:43,960
doing, because we looked up to
them. And he taught us, you

843
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,360
know, how to play one note. What
he the first thing he did is

844
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,840
pretty ingenious. There was
little Schroeder piano in the

845
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,020
house, and he said, just play
this note, ding, ding, ding,

846
00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:57,580
ding, ding, ding, ding. And I
remember not being enthused at

847
00:55:57,580 --> 00:56:01,020
all, right, but I'm doing it
because he asked me to Ding,

848
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:05,100
ding, ding, ding, ding, ding,
ding. And he let Victor pick up

849
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:08,340
the little Mickey Mouse guitar.
He's just playing along. Not

850
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:11,460
really notes yet. He's just
playing along. And then as I'm

851
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:14,280
going, ding, ding ding, he picks
up the ukulele, ding ding,

852
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:21,080
dating. And in my I remember,
and because my ears have always

853
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,960
been good. I can hear this note
staying the same, but it's

854
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,740
changing, you know, as he goes
from the one to the four, ding,

855
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,620
ding, ding, ding, you know,
that's and then he starts

856
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:34,640
singing Midnight Hour, you know,
I loved Wilson Pickett. And

857
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,360
instead of learning to play, on
day one, I'm playing, I'm on the

858
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,860
bike riding, and the next day,
we played a little concert out.

859
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:45,700
I think my brother Roy called my
mom at work, mommy, mommy,

860
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:47,980
mommy, we have a band. We have a
band. We have a band. She said,

861
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:51,040
Well, okay, practice. When you
get home, I'm going to want to

862
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,000
hear it, and I want you to be
good at it so. And she got home,

863
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,660
and we did our little thing, and
the next day in the front yard,

864
00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:02,580
all the neighbors were playing
our little stuff now. Mind you,

865
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:04,380
Reggie's carrying most of it,

866
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,160
but Reggie taught you music
theory through practical

867
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,040
application. He taught went
right to the song. He taught us

868
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,740
music before he taught us
theory. I mean, that's but you

869
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:17,460
were learning it in a very spoon
fed practical way, pragmatic.

870
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:21,380
He's given us the joy of playing
before you get to through the

871
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,240
Drudge to the drudgery, not so
much a practice, but of learning

872
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,700
the terminology, yes and the
same. Now, Victor is the one

873
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:31,940
that uses the analogy of you
learn to talk long before you

874
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:36,860
learn English. Learn the rules
of it. You just your parents

875
00:57:36,860 --> 00:57:38,060
allow you to say it wrong.

876
00:57:38,060 --> 00:57:42,940
That's actually really I met
Reggie when in 1997 playing gigs

877
00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:46,000
of pizza perfect. You know what
I mean? I'm like, This cat's

878
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,060
over in the corner at a pizza
parlor just loving life. Yeah,

879
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,060
you know what I mean, amazing.
And then he had the thing, the

880
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:54,820
muffling device, yeah, the
hairstyle, or whatever,

881
00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:58,180
whenever, whenever I see because
now they have, they have

882
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:01,560
official ones. But I know that
somebody, at some, some kind of

883
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,940
way, has grabbed the elbows with
the wounds, some kind of way,

884
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,660
because it was a, it's a thing
for Reggie, you know, doing all

885
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:13,260
that tapping, it helps to muffle
the back strings to make it

886
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:16,620
cleaner. So he did it. Vic said
I did it because my brother did

887
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:19,680
it. And people saw Victor and
Reggie do it. And now they're

888
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:20,540
all over the place.

889
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:23,660
So, so this is what's beautiful
about the commitment to the

890
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:27,500
family band, is that you guys
all have your other musical like

891
00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:30,020
money making outlets, right?
That you have your

892
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,480
responsibilities and you have
your schedules, but then you

893
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,760
make it a priority to look at
that schedule and say, All

894
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,000
right, now we're our family band
is going to Europe for two

895
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,900
weeks, right? You found the time
to make it happen. We

896
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:42,100
leave tomorrow. That's awesome.

897
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:45,520
That is, thanks for squeezing us
in here. Man, oh, it's

898
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,000
so cool. I'm so glad I could do
it. But yeah, we, we do. We

899
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:57,460
know. We know that that we are
each other's largest priority.

900
00:58:57,820 --> 00:59:01,020
So everybody does other stuff.
Yeah, no, I have people that are

901
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:03,300
helping me. I'm getting ready to
come out with a Christmas

902
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:08,760
record. Okay, should be, should
be released on December 1. Now

903
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,400
that you know, I'm freed up from
the Steve Miller thing, it's

904
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:15,660
kind of exciting having, having
you're a phoenix rising. This is

905
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:19,500
like another chapter of your
life, which is really, I love

906
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,520
your song Nashville. I actually
used it on Instagram post the

907
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,860
other day, because it's very
appropriate. Because, you know,

908
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:27,260
I don't know when you wrote it,
but Nashville is so popular

909
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:29,960
right now, like all the that's
where I party. Here are coming.

910
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:35,360
I love that you rhymed demon
brewing. And do

911
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:42,560
mom brew on demand?

912
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,720
Bouillon, yeah, this place to be
Nashville, Tennessee, yeah, um,

913
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:51,940
I'll probably re release that at
some point, yeah. But it's, I

914
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:55,420
think Nashville is a great city,
yes, and music is a great thing

915
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:00,840
a city whose foundation is
music. I. Love being a part of

916
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,220
it. I love our greatest export
from this city is music. Is

917
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:10,500
music, and I love being I love
being from Nashville. I love

918
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:13,680
saying that I'm from here when
I'm out of town. Everybody holds

919
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,180
our city in high regard. I love
being a part of it, not just

920
01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:21,920
being country music. Yes,
because the export oftentimes

921
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,460
makes it look like it's that
Country Music City. Yeah, I like

922
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:29,120
being a part of showing people
that it's not only that, because

923
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,940
there's all kinds of things
going on, but a city whose

924
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:40,780
identity is music, I love that.
Yes, I love that. So I wanted my

925
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:46,360
my goal there was to write a
song that really highlighted,

926
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,060
you know, Nashville, the Music
City, where the girls are

927
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:52,300
pretty, where you can listen to
the hands of soul, or hear

928
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:54,640
Conway Twitty, yeah. Now that's
another

929
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,000
thing for you. Is that you have
another project. Joe fought

930
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,660
hands of soul, right, right,
right. And you always have a

931
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:01,500
birthday bash

932
01:01:01,740 --> 01:01:06,060
every, every, every December, I
do. So my birthday is December

933
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:11,880
the 15th. Which is I also like
December the 15th, because I was

934
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:17,880
born on the 170th anniversary of
the ratification of the Bill of

935
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,540
Rights and the First Amendment.
So I have a First Amendment,

936
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:25,760
Bill of Rights, birthday Second
Amendment too. But I like that.

937
01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:31,460
So every Christmas I do, every
December, I do a birthday slash

938
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:36,800
Christmas concert that I did the
first one when I turned 50, and

939
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:42,340
I obviously skipped one during
covid, but this one will be at

940
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:45,220
the Hutton hotel in the analog
room, beautiful room, December

941
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:50,440
the 14th, nice and working on
some some special guests. It's

942
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,380
going to be fun. I'll have new
Christmas music that I can

943
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:56,020
present that's incredible to
everybody. Oh,

944
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:58,960
you know what? So I'm thinking,
because I could picture my

945
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,500
schedule my mind's eye. I'm
going to be in Cincinnati

946
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:06,120
teaching a bunch of young kids
how to play drums, darn it, but

947
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,300
I have to brag on you. Okay,
this book. Whenever we have a

948
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:11,820
guest that's an author, I
immediately download the book,

949
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:14,640
and I try to consume it, because
I realize how difficult it is,

950
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:17,400
what a major task it is to write
a book. And you wrote a book in

951
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:20,840
2017 you can get it from Jeff
Bezos. He'll you could download

952
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,620
it to your your Kindle. It all
matters, what I believe, words

953
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:27,620
that I live by. So I got my
coffee today. I ended up

954
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:32,060
drinking a pot of coffee, read
this book, and I got I got

955
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:36,260
really emotional, man, because
you're a man who's lived many

956
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:40,540
lives. You definitely have some
philosophies, things you've

957
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:45,100
learned from music, and I love
it. It's just this, all these

958
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:48,520
little, short phrases, these
wisdom nuggets, one of the

959
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,360
things I remembered was you have
an idea about what the

960
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,880
difference is between the blues
and funk, and there might be

961
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,620
even something before the blues.

962
01:03:01,540 --> 01:03:02,920
It's, what do I say?

963
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:07,720
It's a musical style that that
preceded the blues, and then the

964
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,260
difference between the blues and
funk. And I wanted to have the

965
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:14,320
book on my iPad and then, like,
highlight everything, but I just

966
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,380
consumed it on this little
device right here. But anyways,

967
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,360
it's I learned a lot, man, and
it made me do a lot of thinking,

968
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,940
which I assume is one of the
goals.

969
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,900
Well, yeah, absolutely. The
reason that I did it was because

970
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:34,280
my mom was full of so much
wisdom, like just so much, and

971
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,700
she would give you these
nuggets, like, what you what you

972
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:40,600
read, wisdom nuggets, wisdom
nuggets that you could just hang

973
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,100
your life on, yeah, and we
didn't write down enough of it.

974
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:48,940
I wish that she had done it. So
when I'm talking to people like

975
01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:51,280
I'm talking to you, you wind up
saying some things that could

976
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,760
use saying again. So I started
keeping track of them. I have

977
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,700
this book that has a bunch of
them in there. Somebody saw it

978
01:03:57,700 --> 01:04:01,620
and went, you should publish
this? And I was like, Man, I

979
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:05,460
don't know. And it was a
publicist that I was using for a

980
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:09,720
while. He said, if you put it
into a document, I'll get it

981
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,580
published. So I put it into a
document, and he got it

982
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:20,240
published. Yes, and it's, I wish
that my mother had done it,

983
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:28,640
because so many of them I use on
my kids, and in just a matter of

984
01:04:29,420 --> 01:04:34,520
days, I'll be a grandfather. All
right, yeah, I just, I just saw

985
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:41,080
my, my my younger son and his I
just saw my younger son and his

986
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,380
girlfriend for the last time
before their parents. I wanted

987
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:46,840
to say it one more time, because
when I come back from Europe,

988
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:52,180
there'll be parents amazing. But
when the day comes and they

989
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:55,660
wonder who they who her
grandfather was, here will be

990
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:01,800
this thing that shows who I was.
Same thing, same thing with with

991
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:08,640
my mother. We we know who she
is, and we share her with so

992
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,580
many, yes, so many people. In
fact, the brothers are getting

993
01:05:11,580 --> 01:05:17,400
ready to get together and and
just share the things that we

994
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,620
can remember for from her.

995
01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:22,460
Like, it's like writing your
mom's like my mom's got the

996
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:24,980
recipes, you know what I mean.
So I'm gonna have to collect

997
01:05:24,980 --> 01:05:31,100
these little, you know, stained
olive oil, stained recipe cards,

998
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,920
put them in a book or something.
You know what I mean?

999
01:05:33,919 --> 01:05:37,939
Yeah, I've got podcast episodes
like my kids will all my

1000
01:05:37,939 --> 01:05:39,739
grandkids will be able to find
out who their

1001
01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:42,160
grandfather, yeah, listening to
this body of work, Jim,

1002
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,580
there's lots of there's lots of
gigs, and there are lots of

1003
01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:48,940
people that have met you on gigs
and stuff. But this, you know,

1004
01:05:48,940 --> 01:05:51,340
this is a concrete thing where
they can go, Well, what did,

1005
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,940
what did he think about? And
then here's the thing that I

1006
01:05:54,940 --> 01:06:00,308
also wish, like, when, when my
mother was around, I wish that

1007
01:06:00,308 --> 01:06:05,108
my mom had gotten a chance to
meet Stephanie, the one that I'm

1008
01:06:05,108 --> 01:06:10,028
married to now, like, I wish
she, like Stephanie, loves to

1009
01:06:10,028 --> 01:06:13,808
dote over people. And my mom
would never admit it, but she

1010
01:06:13,808 --> 01:06:17,348
liked being doted on you. And I
mean, ah, you don't have to do

1011
01:06:17,348 --> 01:06:17,768
anything.

1012
01:06:19,148 --> 01:06:23,180
And you know, I wish that I had
gotten a chance to see that it

1013
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:27,320
didn't work out, you know, but
I, I know she'd be she'd be

1014
01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:29,720
pleased, very, very pleased and
very proud. Oh, she'd be

1015
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,020
pleased. I knew that this would
be super challenging. We're on a

1016
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:35,720
time constraint today, because
my co host, we have to have him

1017
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,000
back. We really, we really
should have a part two, because

1018
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,740
I knew it would be so
challenging. Because you're a

1019
01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:41,620
keyboardist, you're a
keyboardist, you're a singer,

1020
01:06:41,620 --> 01:06:43,720
you're a songwriter, you're an
author, you're a philanthropist.

1021
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,240
There's something happening with
the Olympics that you're

1022
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,900
involved in. Maybe we'll address
that next time, absolutely, but

1023
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,920
I just nothing but respect and
reverence for you, and I thank

1024
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,460
you for what you've done to
music in Music City and around

1025
01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:01,380
the world. And yeah, we got to
have you back on part two. Yeah,

1026
01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:06,780
we'll come back and we'll do it
again. It's, it's fun watching

1027
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:10,080
your star rise. When I first met
you, you were just one more

1028
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,100
drummer in town, but you were
even motivated back then. Like,

1029
01:07:14,940 --> 01:07:17,940
you appreciate it. You had a
plan back then. And like, every

1030
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:21,800
time I see him, he's like, he's
now I'm doing motivational

1031
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,460
speaking, yeah? Now I got a
podcast. Now I'm playing a jet

1032
01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:31,280
every time I see him, you know.
So it's, it's inspiring, though,

1033
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,020
because, because I like to mode,
I like to do motivational

1034
01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:39,920
speaking, following you as an
example, you've given me some,

1035
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,260
some tools.

1036
01:07:41,259 --> 01:07:43,479
Yeah, well, I mean, everybody
check out. I checked out your

1037
01:07:43,479 --> 01:07:46,239
TEDx talk, and that you guys
filmed in Memphis, Tennessee.

1038
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:48,819
It's on the internet for all to
see. The talk is called why it

1039
01:07:48,819 --> 01:07:52,419
all matters. And there's this
hook about the relationship

1040
01:07:52,419 --> 01:07:55,119
between one zero, and you've got
some concepts on that

1041
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,519
absolutely. So I've done a deep
dive in Joseph Wooten in the

1042
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:00,039
last couple of days. If people
want to get in touch with you,

1043
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,479
what's the best way for people
to get

1044
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,300
in touch? Well, there's Joseph
Wooten down. There's Joseph

1045
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:06,420
wooten.com he's go to the Wooten
brothers.com my wife and I have

1046
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:10,140
a charity called I matter you,
matter nice, so you can go to I

1047
01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:17,760
matter you, matter y, o, u,
matter.com. I'm on Facebook. I'm

1048
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:23,420
on Instagram. The letter J, the
word Wooten soul. Jay Wooten,

1049
01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:27,620
soul is me. I'm on Tiktok.
Joseph Wooten with the kids,

1050
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:31,940
right? Yeah, I'm trying. I'm
trying. I do a daily positive

1051
01:08:31,940 --> 01:08:35,480
message on social media. Every
day. It's on Tiktok and it's on

1052
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:40,900
Instagram. It copies over to
Facebook. So if you want to,

1053
01:08:41,140 --> 01:08:46,060
I've done 600 and I'll be on, I
think today will be six, number

1054
01:08:46,060 --> 01:08:47,080
658, that

1055
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,840
is a great idea, yeah, because
you can impact a person, like,

1056
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,900
frame right over their morning
coffee, yeah. And then you've,

1057
01:08:52,900 --> 01:08:55,060
like, dropped the mic. Your work
is done for the day. You know

1058
01:08:55,060 --> 01:08:57,160
what I mean, that's, that's,
that's very impact.

1059
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,460
It's impactful. It's, it's more
work than it, you know? Then you

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would think it is, because you
do it, and then you do all of

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that, but it's, he's trying to
make as much positive impact as

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possible. Is it a podcast as
well? It's not a podcast, but

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yeah, being here,

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yeah, but yeah, I would love to
come back.

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I'd love to have you come back
and, you know what? We bring

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little, little micro keyboard,
and sometimes I'll jam with my

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guests. I'll get a little hand
drum or something and, and you

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know that happens a lot on the
show, so So maybe we'll do that

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thing. But we really appreciate
your time, man. Thank you,

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Europe, my

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pleasure. Thank you for having
the maps of pleasure. Meeting

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you. Yeah, vice versa. Thank you
for having me. I look forward to

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coming back. I get back on the
10th of November. So nice. Yeah,

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okay, time for

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some pumpkin pie. Yeah, pumpkin
pie.

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Well, let's just label this part
one and do a part two.

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Ladies and gentlemen, it's
Joseph Wooten. Joseph hooten.com

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I'm going to this camera to tell
all of you out in podcast land

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to be sure to subscribe, share,
rate and. View. It helps people

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find the show. We appreciate
you. Joseph, thank you, Jim.

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John Rob, Jim, thanks, buddy.
We'll see you next time. Thanks,

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folks. This

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has been the rich Redmond show.
Subscribe, rate and follow along

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01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:20,180
at rich redmond.com forward,
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