Data Reveal | S1Ep02. Inclusion or Bust?: Discussing Domestic Violent Extremists (DVEs) with Daveed Gartenstein-Ross

In today’s episode, we reflect on September 11, 2001, as a turning point twenty years later. We discuss data related to domestic violent extremism and the challenges we are facing related to this grassroots phenomenon. We discuss data literacy problems and extremism that bends data to fit specific views that deny the ground truth.

Our guest Dr. Daveed Gartenstein-Ross is a scholar, author, practitioner, and entrepreneur who is the founder and chief executive officer of Valens Global and also leads a project on domestic extremism for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD). The International Herald Tribune has described Daveed as “a rising star in the counterterrorism community.” He has previously held positions at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Google’s tech incubator Jigsaw, and Georgetown University. Daveed has recently published two monographs on domestic extremism as part of the project he leads for FDD, exploring white supremacist extremism and the militant anarchist and anti-fascist movements.

Show Notes

👉 Reflection and activation: 20 years after 9/11. 00:35

🧐 Politics is a profound tension, a tension between competing ideals and values. 01:20

💬 Data related to domestic violent extremism.03:12

👋 Welcome, Dr. Daveed! 04:15

🤔 DVE’s are a growing challenge and wrong usage of data. 06:06 

🖥️ Daveed and Mark ‘met’ via a counterterrorism blog in 2005. 08:59

😮‍💨 Mark’s experience on 9/11 and the vivid memories that have lasted. 6:48

🏛️ Andrew was at a conference in Baltimore with the Social Security Administration and his work with the government after 9/11. 11:06

✌️ Courtney was a senior in college and eventually began working on interoperability issues that caused the death of so many first responders during 9/11. 12:16

⚖️ Daveed was in law school at NYU, and 9/11 interrupted the course of his life and career. 13:09

6️⃣ A positive outlook: Six things that have gone right tactically after 9/11/2001. 16:15

📱 Post January 6th: the maturation of technologically empowered mobilization. 21:11

🗣️ Social media can be used to not only mobilize movements quickly but also to predict actions and help prevent them. 25:12

↔️ Daveed’s papers and overviews of Militant Anarchism and Anti-Fascism and the Transnational White Supremacist Extremist Movement. 26:30

🇺🇸 Militant anti-fascists and anarchists in the United States and predictions for the future. 29:46

❗ Drifting to extremes: Our reactions are immediate and based on scant information on social media. 31:44

🤓 The quality of the information we all receive: basic critical thinking skills and media literacy are crucial now. 35:39

Articles mentioned:

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06/14/skinheads-saints-and-national-socialists/

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2021/06/14/behind-the-black-bloc/

Connect with Daveed:

https://valensglobal.com/who-we-are/#team

https://www.fdd.org/issue/domestic-extremism/

Connect with Mark, Andrew, and Courtney.

 

Mark Fedeli

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/markfedeli

Twitter: @markfedeli

 

Andrew Churchill

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/fachurchill/

Twitter: @FAChurchill

 

Courtney Hastings:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/courtneyhastings

Twitter: @chatrhstrategic

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