1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,860 Unknown: An act that should have been bigger than they are. Oh, 2 00:00:01,860 --> 00:00:05,880 they should have, you know, the Mavericks, yeah, they, I know 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,280 that boy, they had a real following. You know, when they 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,980 do perform, especially here in Nashville, which, you know, is a 5 00:00:10,980 --> 00:00:15,660 little different venue than Wichita, yes. But you know, we 6 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:18,720 always pack the places here because, you know, he was just 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,160 so well that the band so well. Liked and loved here well. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,600 And they did that. They did one song that, I swear to God, if 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,020 you heard it, you'd think it was Buck Owens, but all you do is 10 00:00:30,020 --> 00:00:33,920 let me down. Oh, that was a great song. Great song, yeah. 11 00:00:33,980 --> 00:00:37,820 And plus they redid, dr, feelgood, which I recently put 12 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:42,100 up on my Facebook again, because I want people to hear it because 13 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:45,280 it's such a great version. It sounds like, it sounds like the 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,540 kind of song you'd hear in a really dangerous bar somewhere 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,680 or on Pulp Fiction, you know, Pulp Fiction soundtrack, it's 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,180 just done so well. 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,120 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:11,640 goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain. Welcome back 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,700 into circling the drain. It's the podcast that, well, we just 20 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,520 like to have fun, damn it. That's all it's about. All we 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,860 want to do is have some fun. Yes, we do write that down. You 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,880 know, I think it would get crow on the phone. Yes, she could do 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,360 that. And we want royalty. That's right, we want royalty 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:29,900 for radio. 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,980 Yeah, for radio, radio. But my name is Johnny Bozeman. A lot of 26 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:37,820 you know me as Johnny B over here is my buddy, Jay Harper, 27 00:01:37,820 --> 00:01:38,180 hello. 28 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:43,000 Jay Harper, thank you. John Ernest Bozeman, wow, no problem. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,660 Jim Harper, yeah, that's right. So did your mom or dad when they 30 00:01:46,660 --> 00:01:49,300 were ticked at you? Was it come here? John earnest, 31 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:51,820 how did you know my wife even does that? 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,020 And of course, we have James. What's the middle name? Jim 33 00:01:56,020 --> 00:02:00,280 Patrick, James. Patrick McCarthy man. Is that a nice Irish name? 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Very Italian 35 00:02:01,139 --> 00:02:03,239 here. I thought it was Chris. We'll 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,060 do Christopher. Why not? Whatever 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Christopher. But, you know, because of the work we have 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,500 done, we have had some celebrity encounter. 39 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,100 Yeah, it's kind of one of the perks of the gigs that we've had 40 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:20,540 that don't pay a damn thing, but they do give you some nice, nice 41 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:21,920 encounters, nice memories. 42 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:25,580 Yeah, you do. You get to meet artists. You get to, well, you 43 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:26,900 get to hang out backstage. 44 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:30,080 Sometimes there's, you know, there's been times when that's 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,960 been interesting, been kind of fun. It's the worst place to see 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,500 a show, 47 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:36,800 though, oh, it really is. The best part to see the show is out 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,560 in the out in the audience, because backstage, 49 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:43,060 it sucks. Can't see a damn thing. Can't hear 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,900 no, yeah, no. And they've got hangers on back there that are 51 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:47,620 wearing Yeah. 52 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:50,800 And these, these gurmy radio people, 53 00:02:52,180 --> 00:02:53,560 are the worst. 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,420 Oh, man. They always want something for free. 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,460 That's right. Radio voices, yeah. Can I get a picture? Yeah? 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,100 Okay, yeah, hey, I've got this pocket recorder. Can you do a 57 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:09,240 promo for me? Yeah, can you tell me that you really you dig my 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,260 show? That's right. Hey, I'm Garth Brooks, and I listen to 59 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:21,380 Johnny B on K. Who cares? Yeah, those radio guys backstage. 60 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:23,720 They're there. They're a gurmy lot. 61 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:27,440 Boy. They really are. They always want something for free. 62 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,160 What's the gurmiest thing you've ever seen? Oh, not like have 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,540 been part of, but seen, 64 00:03:32,780 --> 00:03:38,240 I can remember, during my time and in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,400 the of course, I was on the big FM powerhouse there. But there 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:47,200 was an am country station in town that the poor guy that was 67 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,720 like their PD, he was one of those guys that, you know, 68 00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:56,380 Louisiana is hot most of the time, and in the summertime it's 69 00:03:56,380 --> 00:04:01,200 especially hot, especially warm. But this dude, Stuart McCrea W, 70 00:04:01,380 --> 00:04:06,900 i, b, r, radio super, yeah, he always had the satin jacket on 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,760 with the radio station. I think they were like, I something, so 72 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,240 it looked like the logo, looked like the interstate sign, yes, 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,140 you know. And that was on the back of the satin jacket. And 74 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:24,800 the jacket had was already kind of oily, stainy looking, you 75 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,520 know what I mean, from the from the oil on the skin, yes. And 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,460 because I don't think Stewart ever took that damn thing off, 77 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:35,300 slept with it probably, yeah. So in the middle of summer, he's 78 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:39,380 got the satin jacket on, and he always carried around the wall 79 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:40,100 and sack, 80 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,820 reel to real. 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Oh gosh, the damn thing, you know, it was like a boat. Oh 82 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,440 yeah, those things were big, yeah. But he always would be. He 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,040 would show up at every show with the mic wanting to get those 84 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:59,260 promos from the from the from the ax. Can you say the call 85 00:04:59,260 --> 00:05:03,000 letters for him? Yeah, exactly, you know, and sound like you 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,820 really listen to the station, if you Yeah, and I got to give 87 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:09,180 Stuart credit, man. I mean, he showed up at everything, but you 88 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:13,260 could, he was so obnoxious with it, though, you know, poking 89 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:17,460 that mic in everybody's face and they're like, and asking for all 90 00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:21,380 that, that gurmy stuff. Yeah, it was, it was embarrassing to be a 91 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:25,640 part of that, you know, just to be associated with radio at the 92 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,940 time, you know, oh, I know, yeah, hey, dude, we're not, you 93 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:30,620 know, we're not all that way. 94 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,320 Well, there was one time when I worked at 106 FM in Nashville, 95 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:40,100 and, you know, we were the housewife happy music, you know, 96 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:42,880 we played a lot of Michael Bolton and things like that. 97 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,920 Well, Amy Grant had had eye surgery done, and the program 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,340 director, who I've talked about many times on this show, Billy 99 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:56,500 Shears, May God rest your soul, but Billy Shears had this great 100 00:05:56,500 --> 00:06:04,680 idea of getting a huge card, get well card for Amy Grant that the 101 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,860 station was going and have listeners sign it and whatever, 102 00:06:08,220 --> 00:06:14,580 and we were going to go out and bring it to her at her home. So 103 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,320 they did this. And the radio station had this thing called 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:26,420 Big Mo. It was this god awful, you know, the big truck of some 105 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:31,280 kind, big utility vehicle that they didn't service well at all. 106 00:06:31,340 --> 00:06:32,300 The thing smoked. 107 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,300 It backfired whole separate episode at all. 108 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,920 It really is. The thing just backfired like crazy. So it was 109 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,180 Phil Valentine, Terry Hopkins and myself, we were going to 110 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:48,400 deliver this at Amy's house in Big Mo. I think Terry was 111 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,600 driving Big Mo. Well, Terry and I are wearing these stupid 106 112 00:06:53,020 --> 00:06:57,340 shirts that looked like we were pizza delivery guys. Phil had 113 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,420 the which, of course, Phil Valentine lived by his own 114 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,240 rules. Anyway, we get in the thing. I said, you're not 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,460 wearing your shirt. He said, Hell no, I'm not wearing a 116 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:08,940 shirt. I'm not gonna look like a pizza delivery guy. Phil, look 117 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:13,500 great. We look like pizza delivery guys. So we go to Amy 118 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:19,800 Grant's house in Big Mo, it's in the middle of summer, and Billy 119 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,600 take a camera, make sure and get a camera with her, with the with 120 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,680 the card. Well, as you're thinking, she had eye surgery, 121 00:07:30,020 --> 00:07:33,740 she had eye surgery, she's not gonna want a picture taken. So 122 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:38,540 we didn't do that. But we get up to the we get up, we get up in 123 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:44,320 the driveway. Big Mo it's backfiring. You know, smokes 124 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,100 going everywhere. 125 00:07:45,099 --> 00:07:49,599 Is it like Eddie's mobile home on Christmas vacation? Yes, 126 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:50,679 exactly. 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:57,700 And so we go up and Terry hits the intercom and says, Yeah, 128 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:01,920 we're 106 we're coming up here to deliver the card to Amy 129 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,060 Grant. Oh yeah, she's waiting on you. She's out by the pool, and 130 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:11,880 Terry looks at me, and I went, Hey, bonus. She's out by the 131 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,560 pool, but she couldn't have been more gracious. But talk about 132 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,980 feeling like a germ. Oh gosh. I mean, we were all embarrassed, 133 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:25,580 and especially Phil said, we're not taking a picture. She 134 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,940 doesn't want a picture taken of her by the pool with her, you 135 00:08:28,940 --> 00:08:31,940 know, yeah, that eye patch on right? 136 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:35,420 That would be pretty embarrassing, yeah, for 137 00:08:35,420 --> 00:08:38,360 everybody there. But she dug the card, though, yeah. Well, 138 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,500 that's, that's cool. She was gracious about it. She was real 139 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:41,860 cool. 140 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:45,100 I really did like her. She was a very nice person. 141 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,580 You know, you talk about kind of showing up to events and 142 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:53,140 embarrassing vehicles on behalf of the radio station. I had to 143 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:55,960 drive a couple of clunkers with the station call letters on the 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:01,020 side of it. Oh, god, that's I remember we had a promotion in 145 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:05,340 Louisiana at one of the stations I worked at where we gave away a 146 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:13,320 cherried up 66 Mustang. It was a convertible, and it was restored 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,960 to its original condition. Yeah, sure. Well, it looked great. And 148 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,760 we jocks we had to drive. We would drive it to various 149 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,560 locations where we would show up. And if you met us there, you 150 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:32,180 could register to win the Mustang, you know. So, yeah, you 151 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:36,200 know, I drove it well. The damn thing broke down. It quick, 152 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,080 running about all of us jocks shared in that. Some of us would 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,800 take it to this location, and a jock would meet you at that 154 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,340 location and get in the car and drive it to others. You know, we 155 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:48,040 kind of did it that way. Well, naturally, it broke, broke down 156 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,900 when I was driving the darn thing. So the next location that 157 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:56,860 it shows up at, it died right when I was about to pull up to 158 00:09:56,860 --> 00:10:00,780 the thing. So I come, you know, and there's a fair. Decent group 159 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:03,840 of people there waiting on me because we had promoted the fact 160 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,280 that, you know, Jay Harper is going to be at so and so diner 161 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 or whatever, right? So there are people waiting on me to get 162 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,180 there. Well, the thing had broken down, and I had to be 163 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:22,460 pushed into location. So I just kind of get, you know, kind of 164 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:25,640 coast up to the place. And, you know, what else could I think 165 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,220 have to say, is she show runs, quiet, 166 00:10:31,460 --> 00:10:33,740 great, really trying not to turn it off. 167 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:37,220 Yeah, yeah. We don't, you know, those pistons, you know, they 168 00:10:37,220 --> 00:10:41,380 can kind of rub against the, you know, the block and you know 169 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:44,080 that would kind of flux capacitor, yeah, kind of ruined 170 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,980 things. But, but, yeah, you know, being in radio, and I work 171 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:52,060 for record labels, I produce concerts and stuff, you do get 172 00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:55,480 to have some encounters with some, some really cool people, 173 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,960 in terms of folks that you got to meet that dis, did you have 174 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,300 any encounters that kind of disappointed you? 175 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:07,080 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. Would you Would 176 00:11:07,079 --> 00:11:11,039 you care to share any of those? Or would you rather just speak 177 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:12,779 of the of the good experience? 178 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:17,160 Well, it was kind of half and half, really well, because I, 179 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,240 you know, I like Steve Earl's music, yeah, right. But I'm a 180 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,580 big fan of his music. Steve was going to be on the Phil 181 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:30,620 Valentine show, which I knew, you know, I didn't know if it 182 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:33,740 would go well or not, because they're both, you know, Phil was 183 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,540 more on the right and Steve's on the left, but it was about Steve 184 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:43,300 was doing these concerts for for what was called the journey 185 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:47,320 home. It was, you know, anti, anti death penalty, right? And I 186 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,640 tried to tell him that he and Phil actually agreed on that 187 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,600 subject, that Phil wasn't the big death penalty guy, even 188 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,500 though he was on the right. And when Steve first got there, it 189 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:03,780 was the coolest thing, because he got there early and I sat out 190 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:08,340 front. In fact, it's in the building that, you know, WT ends 191 00:12:08,340 --> 00:12:12,540 in. Now, it was W, L, A, C, at the time, and Steve and I talked 192 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:16,140 for about 45 minutes. Had a great conversation. I'm 193 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:18,960 thinking, Man, I'm getting to talk to one of my musical heroes 194 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,200 here. And it's it's going well, but then it took a turn for the 195 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,400 worst, because I had to tell him. I said, Well, I got to cut 196 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,400 this short. I got to go in. And he said, You do what you got to 197 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,940 do. And I said, Now Steve, even though Phil's on the right, I 198 00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:39,620 said, You guys have a common I said, he's not a big death 199 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:43,420 penalty guy. So I said, I think this interview will go well. He 200 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:49,000 said, No, he's going to ambush me. And I said, No, Phil's not 201 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:55,000 that kind of guy. And Steve had a guy that had been on death row 202 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:01,860 as a guest with him, nice guy. But after the when Steve went 203 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:06,480 in, you could tell Steve was ready for rumble when Phil 204 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:10,020 wasn't. I mean, it was, it was very odd interview, because 205 00:13:10,020 --> 00:13:14,700 Steve was real guarded. Didn't say a lot. He did, but you could 206 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:19,140 tell there was no connection. And what really brought me down 207 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:23,720 was that, and I don't do this. I usually don't ask artists for 208 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,840 pictures with me, or I did have him sign a sight CD for me, but 209 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,580 the news man said John would never do this, but he said, I 210 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:37,580 want to do this for him. He said, He loves your music. I 211 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:41,860 like to get a picture of you two guys together, and as we're 212 00:13:41,860 --> 00:13:46,840 sitting there posing, Steve is complaining about having to pose 213 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,280 for pictures with people. 214 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Yeah, that that surprises me, because he usually, you know, in 215 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,000 all the years that I've known him and worked with him, he's 216 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,500 never, never been like that. 217 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,960 I think he just didn't like being in the, you know, the 218 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:04,260 mouth of the beast of right wing radio, which I understood that, 219 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:09,780 but we were trying to be nice. But I think he was ready to, I 220 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:14,460 think he was wanting more to get into it, like a debate of some 221 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:18,240 kind, and it didn't happen. But, yeah, he was not very nice about 222 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,040 taking pictures. What? 223 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,420 When was this? He had 224 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:27,500 just done the mountain and he was getting ready to do the 225 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:28,820 transcendental blues. 226 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,440 He may not have been sober yet. No, he was sober. Okay, so he 227 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,080 had made that transition. Yeah, he had made that transition. 228 00:14:36,260 --> 00:14:38,900 Who knows what mean? He could have had a bad day. I don't know 229 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:42,820 what was going on, but that was not a fun celebrity, yeah, 230 00:14:42,820 --> 00:14:47,620 that's too bad it was, because I really enjoyed talking to him. I 231 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:49,360 enjoyed my time with, 232 00:14:49,660 --> 00:14:52,720 you know, Steve is not a quote, unquote educated guy in terms 233 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,120 of, you know, I think he never even graduated high school. He 234 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,320 didn't and, but, you know, certainly articulate and very, 235 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,060 very. Very smart, very intelligent fella, and that's 236 00:15:03,060 --> 00:15:06,480 why I enjoyed talking to Yeah. Well, you know, you can tell 237 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:12,180 he's he's brilliant with words. His songs and his lyrics are 238 00:15:12,180 --> 00:15:15,360 just borderline genius in many ways. 239 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,360 Well, we talked about story songs on this program, and 240 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,500 nobody does a story song better than Steve Earle. I mean, he 241 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:26,180 writes great story songs, 242 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,680 and He credits the likes of Billy Joe Schaefer and towns Van 243 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Zandt. Van Zandt Clark, going so far as to name his son after 244 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:40,240 towns Van Zandt, yeah. So yeah, but you know, I do know Steve 245 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,020 is, he can be a little moody, and I guess all of us can be. 246 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:51,940 But in terms of, you know, my celebrity encounters, I have 247 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,420 mostly good experiences with that. Of course, I met most of 248 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:59,380 them during my MCA Records days. And you know, you've got a 249 00:15:59,380 --> 00:16:02,820 different relationship when you're the record guy, right? As 250 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:07,200 opposed to being the radio guy, very true. I had, you know, some 251 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,160 pleasant encounters when I was the radio guy, and I guess I 252 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,720 still am one of those radio guys. But in terms of my 253 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,700 encounters with with folks that that are from the musical 254 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,780 spectrum of entertainment. Glen Campbell was just a delight to 255 00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:33,800 be around. And of course, when I was a little kid, I mean, he was 256 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,860 an idol of mine. Oh yeah, you know the Glen Campbell, you 257 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:41,500 know, the good time, our great show, you know. And he was the 258 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,260 fill in on the, you know, remember the Smothers Brothers 259 00:16:44,260 --> 00:16:46,780 show. They had a summer replacement called the summer 260 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:51,100 brothers smothers show, yes, and Glen Campbell was the, was the 261 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:56,560 host of that, yeah, you know, this is Gosh, 6869 in there 262 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,500 somewhere, probably, so, you know, gosh, Glen Campbell. I 263 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,980 just always thought he was so fantastic. He was one of my 264 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:05,280 dad's favorites too. So when I got to MCA Records, and Glen 265 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,580 Campbell came over to the label, you know, I got to hang with him 266 00:17:08,580 --> 00:17:14,460 quite a bit. It was just one of my best experiences with him was 267 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:18,720 backstage at the Opry, and he was playing the opry that night, 268 00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:22,700 and it was just he and I in his dressing room, and He's warming 269 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:26,840 up on his electric guitar, and he was showing off, oh, sure, 270 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:31,280 you know, yeah. And he was, he just, it was just him, and he 271 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,460 had his little amp plugged in there, in the in the dressing 272 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:38,900 room, and he is just ripping the hell out of the guitar. Of 273 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:41,800 course, he was, I think, one of the greatest guitarists that's 274 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,740 ever lived, but he is just ripping the hell out of it. And 275 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:52,540 he looked over me, and I went by JW, Harper back then, that was a 276 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:56,920 radio name that I that I brought with me to. MCA, well, my 277 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,500 grandfather was JW, so it was a tribute to him. But so he's, you 278 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:04,320 know, he's just ripping the guitar, just he and I man, and 279 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,460 he's like, so what do you think? JW, am I gonna make it? Am I 280 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:12,000 good enough to be on the Opry? What do you think it was just 281 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,600 ripping it up, and he's just laughing. He's one of those guys 282 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,040 that he was just musical. He was singing all the time. I mean, 283 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,560 you would ride with him in the car. He's singing. I literally 284 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,420 stood next to him at the urinal in the MCA Records restroom, and 285 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:36,740 he's in there singing while he's taking a whiz. And a funny guy, 286 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,800 and I will use an expletive here, but this was Glen 287 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,220 Campbell's humor in that aforementioned restroom at MCA 288 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:50,440 Records, there was a sign above the urinal that said, please do 289 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,180 not throw cigarette butts in the urinal. And Campbell and I, you 290 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:57,520 know, we're both kind of standing there. He looks up at 291 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,500 it, and he laughs, and he says, Do not throw cigarette butts in 292 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:06,000 the urinal. He looks over at me, and he says, Hey, JW, let shit 293 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:13,440 in it. That's hilarious, but, man, he was such a fun guy to be 294 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,780 around, and again, just such an enormous talent. But, you know, 295 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:20,480 I had a number of other encounter, you know George 296 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,240 straits, good dude, Reba, you know, got to know her on a 297 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,720 personal level. But again, you know, being on the record biz 298 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,120 side of thing, when you're kind of out there promoting their 299 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:32,600 stuff, you know they're gonna be, you know they're gonna be 300 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,920 nicer, yeah, they're, they're gonna be your pal, exactly. 301 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:42,160 I have to tell a good story on Hank Thompson, lot of some 302 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,140 younger viewers may not know 303 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,560 he was a superstar back in the 50s. He was a big star, 304 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,400 and one of my favorites, because I loved six pack to go and all 305 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,240 those great songs he had out, and he had such a great voice 306 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,860 and he enunciated, so 307 00:19:56,860 --> 00:20:01,320 yes, that's you never had to wonder. What he was saying. No, 308 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,280 you what he was singing. 309 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,960 You're correct, but just a cool guy. But I was doing music at 310 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,260 the time, and I was opening for him, and we were doing two 311 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:16,500 shows, and the first, and it was outside, the first show, was 312 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,380 terrible because there was only two people in the audience. It 313 00:20:19,380 --> 00:20:24,680 was dead. And I guess everybody knew that he wasn't in a good 314 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,040 mood. I didn't know. And like I said, I was young at the time. I 315 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:35,480 was only 17, maybe 1718, years old, so they picked me to 316 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,220 driving back to the hotel between shows. So I'm excited. 317 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:43,720 Man, this is Hank Thompson. This is Hank Thompson, baby. He's in 318 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,560 my car, so I get him in the car and I'm driving a hotel. Of 319 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,100 course, I'm just talking his head off, and he's not saying 320 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:54,580 anything. He's just looking out the window. And finally he looks 321 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:58,960 over at me. Said, Son, He said, If you wouldn't mind, he said, 322 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,180 I'd rather not talk. He said, If you could just be quiet and sent 323 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:07,440 me back to the hotel room. That'd be great. I said, No 324 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,640 problem, sir. So I didn't say a word. He got out of my car, 325 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,380 slammed the door, went to his hotel room. Well, then later on 326 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:21,980 the evening show, it was packed and the audience just ate him 327 00:21:21,980 --> 00:21:26,900 alive. I mean, he could have gone on stage and sneezed, and 328 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:30,980 they would have gone crazy that he just had his fans out there. 329 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:37,220 It was huge. So he's out signing autographs after the show, and 330 00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:43,600 I'm walking I'm carrying some gear. This dude leaves the 331 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:49,600 autographed the autograph line comes over to me. Says, Son, 332 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,320 son, I want to talk to you for a minute. I said, Sure. Mr. 333 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,640 Thompson, what? What can I do for you? He said, I wanted to 334 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,460 apologize to you because he said I was short with you this 335 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:06,060 afternoon. You didn't deserve that. You were just trying to be 336 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:10,620 kind. And he said, I wanted to make sure I apologize to you and 337 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:14,220 hope you understood. I said, Dude, I totally got it as I 338 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:17,340 understood why you felt the way you did. You did not need to 339 00:22:17,340 --> 00:22:21,320 apologize to me. He said, Yes, I did. He shook my hand. He said, 340 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Thank you for understanding. And he said, I can under I can tell 341 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,640 you're a fan. He said, I appreciate it. Yeah, gentlemen, 342 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,660 it was and that stuck with me. And forever, Hank Thompson has 343 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:36,200 always been one of my favorite country singers for that reason. 344 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,020 What a humanity to restored. Yes, 345 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,120 yeah, because I've seen artists that haven't been that kind 346 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:47,500 ever tell you what the story about the when I met the Judds, 347 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,520 I 348 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,960 believe so yeah, at the dealership, yeah, yeah. You said 349 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,880 that story right where you said that Ashley was a little aloof, 350 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,700 shall we say, compared to Naomi, Naomi was warm and friendly. 351 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:06,240 Yeah, I had a similar thing with Naomi and Winona. 352 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,540 Wynonna is great too. Yeah, well, 353 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:14,160 she wasn't this day. I mean, she wasn't bad, no, it was just 354 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,200 Naomi was much better. They were doing an interview across from 355 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,360 me, and they were both wearing sunglasses inside. And I don't 356 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,440 know why I found that hilarious, but I had shade, I had some Ray 357 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,320 Bans and so and we were Naomi, and I could see each other now. 358 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,080 She never looked over. She was always looking at whoever was 359 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,260 interviewing her. So I put my shades on, and she happened to 360 00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:45,940 look up look straight at me with my shades on, and for some 361 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:49,720 reason, she found that hilarious, and so they came over 362 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,960 and talked to me in my studio while and she goes, I noticed 363 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,240 you were wearing your sunglasses. I just had to say 364 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,380 hello, and she was just as sweet as could be. 365 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,260 Yeah, my encounter with her was the same. I was bringing Willie 366 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:08,520 Nelson on at a concert in Louisiana, and I was with a 367 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,620 radio station, and they the Judds were the opening act, and 368 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,500 not anybody really knew who they were at that time. I think mama, 369 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:19,740 he's crazy. Had had was out, yeah, but that was about it. 370 00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:23,600 This was 83 Oh yeah, they were just starting out. And yeah, 371 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,860 Winona is riding a bicycle around backstage in the hallways 372 00:24:27,860 --> 00:24:31,640 and stuff. But there was Naomi no makeup all by herself in the 373 00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:35,720 in the dressing room. And I just kind of see and I just kind of 374 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,740 poke my head in and I introduce myself, you know, is it okay if 375 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:43,420 I stop and say hello. Oh gosh, come on in. Have a seat. You 376 00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:46,720 know, she couldn't have been any warmer or more friendly and 377 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,140 gorgeous, yeah, with no makeup on. And I know I was sitting 378 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:53,680 there with my mouth open. Oh, sure. You know, she was probably 379 00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:57,100 3630 you know, because she had Winona at a very young age. 380 00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:00,300 Yeah, she did. I think Winona was like 1819, Gene or 381 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:04,380 something. But, yeah, you know, no makeup. Nothing pretentious 382 00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:07,320 about her at all, like, oh gosh, I can't have anybody see me all, 383 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,800 not all dolled up, right? But she was beautiful nonetheless, 384 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,080 and couldn't have been any any friendlier, any nicer. So yeah, 385 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,100 and again, I was just some girly radio guy to her, but she again, 386 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:25,280 couldn't have been any nicer. I had a that same concert. Grady 387 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,640 Martin was playing in Willie's band. Yeah, you know the 388 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:36,200 legendary guitar player. And I remember I saw Grady he and some 389 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,040 band members were walking backstage, and I went up to say 390 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,120 something to Grady Martin, and he was kind of like, you know, 391 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:48,940 gruff, oh yeah, a jackass, but I but I said, Man, I love playing. 392 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:52,960 I play your instrumentals on air. I'm with W Yeah, and I play 393 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,500 your instrumentals on air. And all of a sudden he just stopped 394 00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,660 and said, well, thank you. His whole demeanor changed, yes, 395 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:03,840 when I told him that, and we did, we did play, you know, 396 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560 instrumentals back then, and we played them, not just to back 397 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,300 time into the news. We did play them at other times, right? So, 398 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,900 but that, yeah, that was cool. Grady Martin was like, I mean 399 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,100 guitar God to me, yeah, in many ways, along with Glen Campbell 400 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:24,140 and Roy Clark and some others. But So yeah, Grady, you know 401 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:27,440 sometimes once you, and I think you've made the comment about 402 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680 kicks Brooks, once you said, and I'll let you tell the story 403 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,520 about meeting him and Vanderbilt, yeah, and saying, 404 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,940 instead of grooming him about his music, you commented and 405 00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,540 praised him on something else that kind of changed his 406 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:41,020 demeanor. 407 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,780 He was right around the time Arrington vineyards opened up, 408 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,500 yes, and my wife and I had went to a tasting there, and I saw 409 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,680 him, and you know, I'm like, Hey, man, I come up and talk. A 410 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,320 tap on his shoulder, kind of a tall guy, and you could tell the 411 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,380 way he looked. He turned around and looked at me like, Okay, 412 00:26:56,380 --> 00:26:59,920 another one of these. I said, I love your wine. And his eyes 413 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,960 just lit up. He's like, Thanks, because it was a new 414 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,960 venture for, yeah, exactly, a new passion that he was excited 415 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,200 about. 416 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,860 Well, that's, that's the reason I have such fond memories of a 417 00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:14,580 lot of people didn't like David Allen co you know, they I would 418 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:16,500 hear stories of all, he's a jerk. 419 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,420 Yeah, he was, he was not nice to me when I tried to interview the 420 00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:24,020 guy. But again, I think he was just not, you know, he just 421 00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,840 didn't feel good, wasn't in the mood, yeah, you know, people are 422 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720 people. They don't always want to be on. And, you know, have 423 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,880 somebody with a microphone, right? 424 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,120 I get it, and I too. I think with David, if you know his 425 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:39,020 music, he likes you. If you don't know his music very well, 426 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:44,200 he's going to be a jerk. But when I met him, it was at Spence 427 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,320 manor in Nashville. He would always stay there when he would 428 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,820 record. And a songwriter friend of mine told me, he said, Why 429 00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:55,000 don't you come to the Spence manner? I hang out with David, 430 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:59,980 and you can be there. He said, You're playing his music. And I 431 00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:03,360 wasn't aware David knew I was doing that, because when I was 432 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:10,020 introduced to him, he said, You know, John works at W and he's 433 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:13,380 playing your music all time. He said, Yeah, Buzz Rabin told me 434 00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:16,560 about you. He said, Man, I I really appreciate that. And the 435 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,040 whole night we got to talk music with him. You know, he bought 436 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,600 steak dinners for us. We had steak with him, and he was 437 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,020 singing, trying to sing, would you lay with me in the field of 438 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:33,620 stone, which he wrote for Tanya Tucker, yes, and he forgot the 439 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:37,280 words. So I, I would sing the words to him, and when he would 440 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,920 forget the words, he looked at but it was a great experience. 441 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,000 And even after that, when I saw him in station promotions, 442 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,100 whatever, always super nice to me. And so my, my experience 443 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,080 with him was phenomenal. 444 00:28:53,139 --> 00:28:56,799 Yeah, I had, I had, kind of, when I was in radio, developed a 445 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:01,439 little bit of a relationship with Gary Morris, who, you know, 446 00:29:01,439 --> 00:29:04,379 had some, some pretty good sized hits. He was playing a nightclub 447 00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:07,619 and stuff, and I was, you know, the radio geek to bring him on 448 00:29:07,619 --> 00:29:11,639 stage. And, yeah, so we're off on this, I say. And I smoked 449 00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:16,259 back then, and he did too, and he bummed cigarette off me, and 450 00:29:16,259 --> 00:29:20,299 then he bumped another one. And it kind of got to be a little 451 00:29:20,299 --> 00:29:23,239 bit of a joke there. Anyway, he came back to town and remembered 452 00:29:23,239 --> 00:29:25,879 me and, you know, and I would just give him say, great. He 453 00:29:25,879 --> 00:29:28,459 didn't even have to ask, you know. And I would pick on him, 454 00:29:28,459 --> 00:29:31,039 Hey, man, you know, here, I, matter of fact, I bought him a 455 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,879 pack, and I just brought him there. You don't have to buy me. 456 00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:39,259 I brought you a pack. He smoked Menthols. But anyway, he got to, 457 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,519 he got to where he would call me, you know, at the radio 458 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,979 station, when he had new stuff coming out, asked me what I 459 00:29:44,979 --> 00:29:48,039 thought a new album would come out. Hey, man, what do you like 460 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:50,979 is the single? I mean, you know, we had this little relationship 461 00:29:50,979 --> 00:29:55,899 kind of thing going and but then when he was named to be on 462 00:29:55,899 --> 00:30:01,799 Broadway in Les Miserables, where he did, uh. The Jean 463 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,579 Valjean character. I believe that was his role in that. Yeah, 464 00:30:06,479 --> 00:30:09,839 never heard, but never heard from him again once he hit 465 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:12,359 Broadway, exactly, was over. But, you know, it's kind of 466 00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:16,379 funny. I don't know, a year or so back, probably longer, I 467 00:30:16,379 --> 00:30:22,219 commented on his Facebook page about, you know, just kind of 468 00:30:22,219 --> 00:30:24,859 the little story I just told, right about him bummed 469 00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:29,359 cigarettes and all that on his Facebook page, and he responded. 470 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:33,139 And I didn't tell him where I was, but he asked in the in the 471 00:30:33,139 --> 00:30:38,479 Facebook response, he says, Were you a jock in Louisiana? And I'm 472 00:30:38,479 --> 00:30:42,939 like, Yes. He goes, I remember you, you were my cigarette guy, 473 00:30:42,999 --> 00:30:48,279 yeah, it's great, yeah. And I said, Well, I have quit smoking 474 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,719 since then. And he said, Good, so have I, but yeah, you know, 475 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:57,279 that was kind of a, you know, fun little exchange with Gary 476 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:02,039 Morris way back when. And, you know, the guy could just sing 477 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,519 his tail off. Man. Fantastic. That big. I mean, he was 478 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:09,839 certainly well qualified to be on Broadway. No doubt about 479 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:10,199 that. 480 00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:13,440 Yeah, there was one time I wish I would have had an encounter. 481 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:17,520 It was an artist that we recently lost, Raul Mallow, 482 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,940 yeah, yeah. Sad story. Oh very talk about a fantastic voice, 483 00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:27,200 just, yeah, operatic, almost great singer. 484 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,320 But my family and I were having dinner at the loveless cafe here 485 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,380 in Nashville. It's kind of outside of Nashville a little 486 00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:40,100 bit. And we were there one night, I think it was back in 487 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:44,440 2000 and Raul was there. He had, I guess, ridden on his 488 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,100 motorcycle, and he was just having, I think there was one 489 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:52,840 other person there was all and I knew it was him, but I didn't 490 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,620 want to bother him. And so me and the family were talking, and 491 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:01,200 we were talking that my dad was talking some shop to me about 492 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,720 right? You know the show, Phil Ballantine show, and after Raul 493 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,860 left before we did, and my sister, who worked in in the 494 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:14,460 music business, kind of pulled me aside. Said, did you notice 495 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:19,080 that Raul Milo was here? And I said, Yeah, I did. I said I 496 00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:21,620 would have loved to said something to him her, but she 497 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:25,040 said, I noticed every time you talked, said he must listen to 498 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640 your show because said every time you were talking, he would 499 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,300 stop talking, and I could tell he was eavesdropping. And I 500 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:37,280 thought, wow, that's cool. So I said, Either he hates me or, you 501 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,960 know, maybe he 502 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,220 likes me. I hope, yeah, I never did get a chance to meet him or 503 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:46,120 work with him, you know, he was on the MCA, but I had left the 504 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,300 label before, you know, before they came aboard. But, you know, 505 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,660 everybody that I did know at the label just said, you know, he 506 00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:55,900 was just a prince of a guy, that it was really fun working with 507 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,600 them. And that's an act, you know, we've had another podcast 508 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,900 about it, an act that should have been bigger than they are. 509 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,680 Oh, they should have, you know, the Mavericks, yeah, they, I 510 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440 know that boy, they had a real following. You know, when they 511 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,140 do perform, especially here in Nashville, which, you know, is a 512 00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:14,820 little different venue than Wichita, yes. But, you know, we 513 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:17,940 always pack the places here because, you know, he was just 514 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:21,500 so well that the band so well liked and loved here well, and 515 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:25,820 they did that. They did one song that, I swear to God, if you 516 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:29,120 heard it, you'd think it was Buck Owens, but all you do is 517 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,900 let me down. Oh, that was a great song. Great song, yeah. 518 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:37,160 And plus they redid Dr, feel good, which I recently put up on 519 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,200 my Facebook again, because I want people to hear it, because 520 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,380 it's such a great version. It sounds like, it sounds like the 521 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:48,700 kind of song you'd hear in a really dangerous bar somewhere 522 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,180 or on Pulp Fiction, you know, the pulp fiction soundtrack. 523 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,520 It's just done so well. 524 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:59,859 It's such a unique sound, too. I mean, a kind of a, some of the 525 00:33:59,859 --> 00:34:04,499 recordings of kind of a Tejano feel, yes, it's just really, 526 00:34:04,499 --> 00:34:08,039 really cool and creative stuff. Oh, they were fantastic, yeah, 527 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,279 so it's a shame, man, yeah. It made me really sad. Yeah. Rest 528 00:34:11,279 --> 00:34:13,019 in peace, and a young man too, 529 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,459 he was and what was sad is they were having a tribute concert to 530 00:34:17,459 --> 00:34:22,639 him two nights at the Ryman, and he was supposed to be there, but 531 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,879 couldn't. They had to rush him to the emergency room. When I 532 00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:27,319 heard that, I thought, he's not, 533 00:34:27,319 --> 00:34:30,619 yeah, if the man can't make his tribute, that's, yeah, that's a 534 00:34:30,859 --> 00:34:31,699 that's a horrible, 535 00:34:31,819 --> 00:34:34,639 that's a bad sign, horrible sign. So our thoughts and 536 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,399 prayers go out to his friends, his family, and yeah, 537 00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:41,740 man, we've lost some. We've lost some, some big ones in 25 Yeah, 538 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:41,860 we 539 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:45,820 had, well, shooter Jennings. He had a great drummer. And, gosh, 540 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,960 the guy's name is escaping me, but he died shortly after, 541 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,760 around the same time as Raul Mallow did. And great drummer. 542 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,240 Well, you know, again, getting to celebrity encounter. Years 543 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:05,280 that that we enjoyed. This is certainly a celebrity. He's not 544 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:11,460 a musical act. But, you know, I've and again, this is not to 545 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,120 suggest anything other than the fact that I met Donald Trump, 546 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,180 got a chance to be on his plane. This, I can tell you, yep, this 547 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:24,260 is in 2016 548 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:26,480 it was the greatest experience of 549 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,540 your life. You got to meet it was 550 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:30,560 totally wonderful. 551 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560 It was totally wonderful. Something best experiences 552 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080 you've ever had. Of all your life is better than going to 553 00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:36,680 China, 554 00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:41,560 but because you were a big fan of his right? Yeah, right. 555 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,880 Well, he had yet to 556 00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:51,160 announce his candidacy for president. This was in 2016 I 557 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,340 was in Charleston, South Carolina, and I worked at that 558 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:57,640 time for the South Carolina Radio Network, among other 559 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,980 stations, but I worked for the state network. We were on 30 560 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:05,760 some odd stations around South Carolina, and I was the morning 561 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,080 news anchor for the radio network. So anyway, I was tasked 562 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,960 to go, you know, had press credentials, and Trump appeared 563 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,320 in Charleston. He was actually speaking at the Citadel, which 564 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,700 is the Military College of South Carolina. My son's a graduate. 565 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,500 But anyway, my son met him too. I took my son with me on this 566 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:32,420 little jaunt. But anyway, we Donald Trump appeared in South 567 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:37,040 Carolina, and we were invited on his plane. And it's the plane 568 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,340 everyone probably has seen the big blue plane with Trump and 569 00:36:40,340 --> 00:36:44,200 blaze. And on the side, you can't miss it, yeah, and so you 570 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,220 know us press guys, we all you know, went up on the plane and 571 00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:52,000 hung out with the Donald. And I had a chance to interview him 572 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,940 and talk to him for a while. Couldn't he could not have been 573 00:36:54,940 --> 00:37:00,100 more warm, more friendly, more funny. Was very, very pleasant, 574 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:03,900 joking around with people, showing he was very proud of his 575 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,500 plane, which he should be beautiful. And of course, you 576 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:12,840 know, Mr. Ego, Mr. Trump, his initials were, are emblazoned in 577 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,040 the leather of all of the of the seating on the plane, and 578 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,040 mahogany wood everywhere. And but again, you know, I had some 579 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,400 little chats with him and stuff. He couldn't have been any nicer. 580 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,280 And, yeah, I got some photos, which is kind of a no no when, 581 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,220 you know, when you're in the press, yes, you know, you're 582 00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:34,220 Donald Trump, though you're not really supposed to, you know, 583 00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:38,660 get photos with people like that. But yeah, I went ahead. I 584 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:42,880 got photos with him. And, but, yeah, he, you know, couldn't 585 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,080 have been, couldn't have been any more pleasant, you know. So 586 00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:50,920 there are people that you know, when I tell them that they 587 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,280 automatically think that, you know, I'm this big right wing 588 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,200 weirdo, but I was there in terms of just a from a news 589 00:37:59,260 --> 00:38:00,040 perspective. 590 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,820 Well, the whole thing with Donald Trump, he's really not 591 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:06,420 right wing, that's what I that's what really blows me away, is 592 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:12,840 that the guy, I mean, he's voted Democrat his life. He's hung out 593 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,220 with Democrats. He's given Democrats money. I don't look at 594 00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:20,840 him as right wing, but yeah, well, that's people either hate 595 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,460 him or they, yeah, he's no middle ground. Well, thing with 596 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:29,900 me is I don't hate him. I also don't love him. I mean, I'm not 597 00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:31,520 drinking the Kool aids, yeah. 598 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,220 Well, but so, you know, there's a non entertainment celebrity 599 00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:40,780 that about. But, you know, in that role as news guy there in 600 00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:45,880 South Carolina, I will say I had, I had some fun covering, 601 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,560 you know, South Carolina, at least then, and I think still is 602 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:55,000 one of the early primaries in the presidential race. So all of 603 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,900 the candidates end up there. Yeah, I went to some I had to go 604 00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:02,820 to Hillary Clinton stuff as well. I never met her. They 605 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:07,020 didn't guy, they didn't let anybody. They didn't let she was 606 00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:11,820 so surrounded, they didn't let anybody get close to her. I bet 607 00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:16,500 not, but I went to some of her events, and, you know, it looked 608 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,780 like a lesbian Birkenstock convention. 609 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,760 But aside from why, that shocked me, 610 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,040 but you know, but anyway, I got a chance to get up close and 611 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,760 personal to her, but I never did interview or talk to her, but I 612 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,160 was I did have to go cover some of her campaign stops, but I did 613 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,920 get to talk and interview Jeb Bush, Rand Paul. I got to kind 614 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560 of know a little bit. I interviewed him a number of 615 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,500 times, and it got to where he would see me and say, Hey, Jay, 616 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:51,340 how are you, you know, wow, and a lot of the other candidates. 617 00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:56,260 So it was fun in that perspective of being able to 618 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,920 talk and get to meet with a lot of the of the President. 619 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,600 Initial, Mike Huckabee, yeah, you know, of course, you know, 620 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,060 there's not a camera or microphone. He doesn't like, 621 00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:08,460 that's true, but he's very good, yeah, he 622 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:11,400 is good at what he does. I had to interview him. I got to 623 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,040 interview him one time, and I sent him for Phil, yeah. 624 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:17,220 So, you know, in a very nice kind of, you know, down to earth 625 00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:21,200 guy. So from that perspective, being able to, you know, be 626 00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:24,620 around all of those kind of guys. You know, I saw George 627 00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:30,620 Bush speak at his brother's event there in Charleston for 628 00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:34,760 Jeb and of course, Laura was there, you know. And also, you 629 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,040 know, when I was on the plane with Donald Trump, I chatted 630 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,840 with Eric for a while. He was there. I'm impressed with Eric, 631 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,140 along with his wife, Laura, who I didn't know, you know, I met. 632 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:47,140 I knew that was Eric's wife, right, but I didn't know that it 633 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:50,440 was the, you know, Lara Trump, who is now a celebrity in her 634 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,260 own right. Yes, she is, you know. And they were both, both 635 00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:57,400 very pleasant to meet, but so, yeah, being around some of the 636 00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:01,740 political candidates was, was kind of interesting knowing that 637 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:05,520 full well, one of these folks that I'm shaking their hand or 638 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,520 chatting with is probably going to be President of the United 639 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,700 States. And I never, in my wildest dreams thought it would 640 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,420 be, have been Donald Trump. Oh no. I never thought that all of 641 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:17,100 those folks, you know. Well, I never 642 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,480 did. Yeah, I remember. I 643 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:23,420 remember when he first announced he was running. Dan Mendez saw 644 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:27,080 me in the kitchen. He said, What do you think of Donald Trump? 645 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,980 I said, snowball's chance. No way in hell that guy 646 00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:34,640 well, and I didn't even take it serious. I only think he's 647 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,420 serious about it, Dan, it's not gonna happen. What was I wrong? 648 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:42,940 Yeah, I know. Weren't we all? I can remember Nancy Pelosi being 649 00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:46,240 asked about Donald Trump being president, and she looked at the 650 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:51,100 camera and laughed. It's like, trust, there's no Donald Trump 651 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:56,560 is not gonna be president, even. Oh, everybody felt that way. But 652 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560 yeah, do you remember Saturday Night Live, doing the bits? And 653 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,540 they had, I forget who they have playing, yeah, I think they had 654 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,540 Alec Baldwin playing Trump, and whoever was playing Hillary 655 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:10,680 Clinton, they were supposed to be in a debate. And the person 656 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,180 playing Hillary Oh, this is so easy, like it's not gonna 657 00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:18,780 happen. I think it was Amy, but polar peeler, she says her name. 658 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:23,900 I think she did the Hillary stuff, but, but, but, you know, 659 00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:28,220 back to entertainers that I've met and had a chance to have 660 00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:31,100 encounters with. As I say, most of mine had been rather 661 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:35,960 pleasant. I did have an encounter around Kenny Rogers 662 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,020 where he was in a frustrating situation. I think I may have 663 00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:42,580 told this on a podcast in the past, I was stage managing an 664 00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:47,020 award show, you know, televised. This was actually being taped in 665 00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:51,700 Branson, Missouri. Yeah, it's like the opry hall there. I 666 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,280 mean, it's a beautiful, think it's, I forget what it's called, 667 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,580 but anyway, it's a nice, big theater in Branson, Missouri, 668 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,700 and Kenny Rogers was due to be a presenter on that. And there was 669 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,060 so I went and grabbed Kenny from the dressing room, and we walked 670 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:08,820 over to the wings, and he was supposed to, like, be there for 671 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:11,520 a few moments and then pop out and do his thing, read off the 672 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,520 teleprompter and what have you. Well, there was some sort of 673 00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:18,420 snafu with the taping or something. We had to stop they 674 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:23,000 had to stop tape. Oh, no. So it's, you know, the state of the 675 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,680 director. Okay, we'll be right with you, Kenny, you know. So 676 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,620 okay, you know Kenny Rogers, gosh, the guy's been making 677 00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:33,740 movies. He knows the whole hurry up and wait routine, right for 678 00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:37,520 that, but he was in no mood to hurry up and wait. We stood 679 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,140 around backstage for several minutes, and he starts pacing 680 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:44,980 and screaming the F word and all this, like, you know what? And 681 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,220 the F is taking, you know, and looking at his watch, this is 682 00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:54,880 effing crazy, so, you know. And I'm kind of like, you know, just 683 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,300 kind of standing there like, Well, gee, I'm sorry, Kenny, you 684 00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:02,820 know that. But anyway, when he finally got to, you know, when 685 00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:05,820 we got to where we were rolling tape again, yeah, you know, 686 00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:09,060 gosh, Mr. Pro Kenny, oh yeah, the minute the camera comes on, 687 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:12,360 yeah, yeah, it's like, Hey, thanks for being here. Super I'm 688 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,040 in a great mood. That's right, our next nominee, yeah. But, you 689 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,100 know, I got the guy some slam. He was nice to me. He was just 690 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:24,560 frustrated the situation. But, you know, it's again, it just 691 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,020 shows, you know, we get maybe these visions of people and, you 692 00:44:30,020 --> 00:44:33,860 know, but they're people, yes, yeah. Get frustrated, they get 693 00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:37,460 ticked, they get pod about bad mood, about Yeah, just like 694 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:40,660 everybody else. And, you know, in fairness to celebrities, 695 00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:46,120 they're always expected to be nice and friendly and and, and 696 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,780 most of them are, oh, they are. Most of them are, yeah, they 697 00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:52,720 realize and respect the fact that, hey, this is my public 698 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,020 these are fans. I appreciate them. If it weren't for them, I 699 00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:59,320 wouldn't have what I have exactly. But, you know, there 700 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,980 are times. And, you know, they're in a bad mood. I mean, 701 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:05,460 how many radio shows did you do where you felt like hell and 702 00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:08,280 maybe you weren't, you know, didn't have your A game, you 703 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,800 know, many times, yeah, I know that's been the case for me, 704 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,220 yeah. 705 00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:14,760 And what really used to drive me crazy was Phil would always come 706 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,320 to me, Phil Valentine, if he saw I was in a bad mood, you know. 707 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,420 And I was not one that was really good at hiding it. And 708 00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:29,240 he'd go, anything, everything, okay, in there, Johnny. But you 709 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,600 brought up celebrity, you know, because due to my father, I got 710 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,740 to be around primarily, it was two guys, Jimmy Dean and Roy 711 00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:40,060 Clark, and I got to be around those guys a lot when I was a 712 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:43,720 kid. And it was very funny, because when I first started 713 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:48,520 working at 106 with Phil Valentine and Terry Hopkins, my 714 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,300 first day there their their guest was on the phone, Jimmy 715 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:58,180 Dean. And so I had to call to get Jimmy on the phone. So as 716 00:45:58,180 --> 00:46:00,960 I'm trying to get Jimmy on the on, you know, ready for the 717 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,520 interview. He goes, your voice sounds familiar. He said, Do I 718 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,020 know you? And I thought for a minute. I thought, I don't want 719 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:13,260 to go down this road. I just said, Oh, I have one of those 720 00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:18,540 voices that people and so the more we talked, he said, I know 721 00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:23,120 you. He said, I know you from somewhere. And I said, No, 722 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600 Jimmy, I'm sorry. It's just, you know, I didn't want to go into 723 00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:30,440 it, because, for one thing, I was thinking of Phil and Terry. 724 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,880 I'm thinking these two guys don't want me to be the center 725 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,600 of discussion. Yeah, because knowing Jimmy, he would say 726 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,000 something on the air about it. And so I didn't tell him who I 727 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,860 was, but Dad, later on told him. He said that was John. He said, 728 00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:52,000 Why didn't he tell me? And he told him. He said, I understand, 729 00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:53,500 you know a 730 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,260 lot of folks. There's a whole generation that only knows of 731 00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:59,260 him from the sausage thing. Yes, that's all you know. He was a, 732 00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:02,700 he was a big star in his own right on TV show, oh yes, you 733 00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:06,000 know, Big Bad John. It was a monster. Yes, it was, you know, 734 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,200 1960 on country radio, pop, right? It didn't matter that 735 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,460 that was everywhere. 736 00:47:11,759 --> 00:47:15,299 Well, he was one of the first, actually, that made country 737 00:47:15,299 --> 00:47:19,199 music more than hillbilly music. You know, Jimmy kind of had some 738 00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,939 class about him. And, yeah, he was one of the first to really 739 00:47:22,939 --> 00:47:23,659 do that. 740 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:29,779 And of course, he was an actor on the Dan Daniel Boone with 741 00:47:29,779 --> 00:47:30,679 Fess Parker. 742 00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:34,100 He was in, he was in a James Bond movie, yeah, diamonds are 743 00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:37,640 forever. That's right, right? So yeah, and that made me kind of 744 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,480 feel cool. I was, you know, my friends all thought that, you 745 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:40,840 know that, 746 00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:46,720 yeah, I never got to, you know the I worked on a talent 747 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,720 promotion that was the Wrangler country showdown for years, and 748 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:53,500 then it became the True Value Hardware and GMC truck was a 749 00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:58,300 sponsor. Ultimately, Jimmy Dean sausage was a sponsor of, yes, 750 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,360 of that, of that contest. I had left all that before Jimmy Dean 751 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,260 took became a sponsor of that. But the folks I work with on the 752 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:11,220 on the promotion the contest, they got to deal with Jimmy Dean 753 00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,920 personally quite a bit, and they said he was kind of a demanding 754 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,420 guy. Oh, he could be that he could, yeah, that he could be 755 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,180 really, really kind of terse. He was that his bedside manner was 756 00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:25,160 a little suspect at times. 757 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:28,760 Well, when I was a kid, I enjoyed Roy Clark more than I 758 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,560 did, because Jimmy seemed to be more with the adults. Yeah, Roy 759 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,920 just seemed to love every he had a really fun loving spirit. 760 00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:37,580 Yeah, I 761 00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:41,440 remember those saying about Jimmy Dean that, and I hope I'm 762 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,560 remembering this properly, that he had kind of a young trophy 763 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,100 wife. 764 00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,460 Yeah, he did that. She used to sing at the stock. Guy kind of 765 00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:51,280 wanted to be a star. Well, yeah, she was on. She was a very 766 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,340 beautiful girl, and she sang at the stock Yeah. 767 00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:58,360 So yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. Never did 768 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,120 Donna Mead, that's it. Yes. Yes, yes. Okay, now it's all coming 769 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,360 back to me. Yeah, yeah. The stockyard man, that was kind of 770 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,940 a cool place. That was a cool place. Sat down and checking 771 00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:12,240 out. Oh, I got a great story about stockyard. I've got one 772 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,940 too. Go ahead. Johnny B Well, I 773 00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:18,840 just met Merle Kilgore, son Steve Kilgore, who was a 774 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,820 magician, and I'd met him with Dave White, my friend I've 775 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:26,480 talked about here many times. Dave, of course, was 776 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,500 handicapped, and we were going into the stock cars, and we were 777 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:37,520 all drunk, and I was first going down the stairs, Dave was behind 778 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:43,420 me, and Steve was behind Dave, and our wives were already they 779 00:49:43,420 --> 00:49:46,480 had already made the stairs down while we were taking our time 780 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,920 because of Dave. So Steve gets the wild idea, I'm going to help 781 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,820 Dave down the stairs. Well, all Steve did. Steve tripped into 782 00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:59,320 Dave. Dave tripped into me. We fall down the stairs into the 783 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,980 stockyard. It, and people were going fine, and Dave's wife 784 00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:09,780 goes, these three are too drunk to even think about fire. But it 785 00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:10,740 was very embarrassing. 786 00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:15,360 Yeah, I can imagine, man, I remember again. I was at MCA 787 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,460 Records at the time, Jerry Lee Lewis was playing the stockyard. 788 00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:26,240 Think about it. And all of us in the MCA Promotion Department, we 789 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:30,500 all, you know, went down to the stockyard to see Jerry Lee 790 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:37,340 Lewis. Oh, yeah. And he was, he was the killer that night. And 791 00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:41,980 he, you know, played all of his, you know, rocking my life away, 792 00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:44,920 which was a great, oh, that was a great, and a bunch of other 793 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,440 stuff. And then he said, Now, I recorded a version of this song, 794 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,640 and I got a lot of I got a lot of heat for it. And he started 795 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,080 playing the intro to somewhere over the rainbow. Oh, wow, 796 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,060 because he released that as a single you may recall, yeah, so 797 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,240 he starts playing that, and he's talking about it. He says, Yeah, 798 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,140 I caught a lot of crap for releasing this and but I'm gonna 799 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:12,600 play it anyway. I love this song. It's one of my favorite 800 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,080 song. I think I did a great job with it. So if you're offended, 801 00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:19,980 I hope you enjoy it, but if you're offended by the fact that 802 00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:26,660 I'm singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow. Go, whoa. Of course, 803 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,320 everybody, man, I apologize for that, but I it kind of loses its 804 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,460 emphasis if I don't say the real word right in my mind. But 805 00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:40,480 anyway, and then he just tackles like he's just no big deal. No, 806 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,900 he didn't care what anybody thought. And of course, you 807 00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:48,220 know, if I remember correctly, Bruce Hinton was also there. He 808 00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:54,160 was the second in command at MCA. Bruce is kind of, well, he 809 00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:57,880 was kind of a straight lace, kind of tight, you know, upper 810 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,680 lip kind of guy. And everything was very prim and proper with 811 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,660 Bruce, until, oh my God, and he was like a Paul. What did he 812 00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:09,420 say? Oh, my goodness, I can't believe he used such language. 813 00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:13,920 Oh, the filth that came out of that man's mouth. But of course, 814 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,400 Bruce was like the biggest pothead on the planet. So it was 815 00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:20,720 prim and proper. But, like, Yeah, but he and Bowen were, you 816 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,020 know, kindred spirits in that regard. They love the herb, 817 00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:29,180 yeah, love the Earth. But anyway, I was like, Man, that's 818 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,880 the killer. You know, Jerry Lee, yeah, 819 00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:36,080 I think one of the best celebrities I've ever met, and 820 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,860 one that really is near and dear to my heart's trace eggs, yeah, 821 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,020 I've never gotten to meet him, great guy. But what was funny 822 00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:49,780 is, when I he had already met Phil, but we were on the air, 823 00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:54,400 and it was when Honky Tonk, but donkey donk was out. And at that 824 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,480 time, I was married to a woman that had three daughters, and 825 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,980 the youngest daughter loved country music, and so I wouldn't 826 00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:08,040 when I would take her to school, I had to hear all this country 827 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:14,280 music, and she would go from station to station, and I had to 828 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,740 hear Honky Tonk with Donkey donk about three times a morning. And 829 00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:24,140 I said something about it on the air one day. I said, if I have 830 00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:28,280 to hear Honky Tonk, but donkey donk, one more time, somebody's 831 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,040 gonna lose their life. Lose their bad donkey. Yeah, you lose 832 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,280 their badonka. And it was about two calls later, all of a 833 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,660 sudden, I answered the phone, yeah, what's your name? And 834 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:47,620 trace. I went, Oh, crap. I said, this wouldn't be trace Atkins, 835 00:53:47,620 --> 00:53:53,020 would it? Silence is the only trace in this truck. I went, 836 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,240 Okay, hang on, but he was real good natured about it. He said, 837 00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:00,840 You can hate it all you want. It's gonna put my daughter's in 838 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,360 college, yeah, but after that, just got to know him, and I 839 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,840 couldn't think of a nicer guy that I've ever met, and somebody 840 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,460 that is, you know, I really think the world of, and I think 841 00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:19,080 he's a, you want to talk about a true man, a real man's man, 842 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,360 That's him man, yeah. And his wife is sweet as can be she, and 843 00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:27,920 she's an actress, and yeah, they are very good 844 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,620 together, yeah. And in one of the podcasts, we talked about 845 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,560 singers that want to be actors, and trace does a decent job. 846 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:34,400 We've talked about that, 847 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,800 yes. In fact, I saw one. My wife 848 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:41,140 put one on, and I'm sorry I fell asleep in it, because I was 849 00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:45,640 tired, but when I woke up, trace was doing a scene. It was called 850 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,900 mother's night out. Mom's Night Out had Patricia Heaton in it 851 00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:54,880 from Everybody Loves Raymond. Trace was doing a scene with 852 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,680 someone, and I mean, it was touching. I couldn't believe how 853 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,660 good. His acting was the guy ought to be. I don't know why 854 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:07,560 Taylor Sheridan doesn't use him. He would be perfect on his show. 855 00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:11,460 He'd be great. He'd fit in on land, man, your guy is 856 00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:12,720 phenomenal. 857 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,700 Well, again, you know, we've all had, for the most part, pleasant 858 00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:21,140 experiences. Yes, we have with the with the celebs, but again, 859 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:24,560 we've been in a little, little different position when meeting 860 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,800 them, as opposed to just your, you know, average fan out there 861 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,540 encountering these folks. 862 00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:32,780 I love your music, yeah, it saved my life. 863 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,540 You were in the Beatles. 864 00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:39,320 That was awesome. Yeah? That was great, man. 865 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,140 You guys gonna get back together? Well, guys, it's been 866 00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:47,860 wonderful to talk about this. 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