WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:06.130 CJ: Welcome to build and learn. 00:00:06.150 --> 00:00:07.190 My name is cj. 00:00:07.242 --> 00:00:11.462 Colin: And I'm Colin, and we're back to talk about what we're working on, 00:00:11.712 --> 00:00:15.292 what we're learning, and yeah, what's going on in Craftworkland for you. 00:00:15.514 --> 00:00:19.544 CJ: first of all, we're hiring we just had an on site in charlotte It was 00:00:19.554 --> 00:00:24.074 awesome to see the whole team if you are a rails dev or a react native dev. 00:00:24.094 --> 00:00:27.699 We'd love to chat with you. We're building some really cool stuff a 00:00:27.699 --> 00:00:32.989 lot of boring rails, crud things, and also a lot of like very awesome 00:00:32.999 --> 00:00:34.779 machine learning stuff mixed together. 00:00:35.319 --> 00:00:37.169 And yeah, so we'd love to chat. 00:00:38.029 --> 00:00:40.779 Colin: Yeah, we'll have to put some links in the show notes for that, but 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:45.249 it's almost every app has some boring, crud, something in there, right? 00:00:45.259 --> 00:00:46.479 even machine learning things. 00:00:46.529 --> 00:00:47.849 you gotta put stuff in a database. 00:00:47.849 --> 00:00:48.499 You gotta read it. 00:00:48.559 --> 00:00:51.209 a pretty cool opportunity for someone if you're out there 00:00:51.239 --> 00:00:53.219 looking for a new, what's next? 00:00:53.624 --> 00:00:54.074 CJ: Totally. 00:00:54.714 --> 00:00:55.214 Yeah. 00:00:55.244 --> 00:00:58.544 Actually, like surprisingly, some of that stuff that, many might 00:00:58.584 --> 00:01:01.574 consider boring, like just putting stuff in the database is exciting. 00:01:01.574 --> 00:01:06.764 Cause it's we get to play with all these like Postgres extensions to make Rails do 00:01:06.764 --> 00:01:11.734 really interesting things with semantic search or with, trying to get chatbots 00:01:11.744 --> 00:01:16.114 to handle automate, like automated sales and support and some other things. 00:01:16.164 --> 00:01:18.284 lots of really cool stuff we're working on right now. 00:01:19.304 --> 00:01:22.284 you're like on the edge of your seat though because of something 00:01:22.284 --> 00:01:26.844 about a school bus So yeah, curious to hear what the heck is going on. 00:01:26.984 --> 00:01:28.434 Colin: Yeah, we're recording this. 00:01:28.484 --> 00:01:31.444 this will be time dilated a little bit, but, right now I'm 00:01:31.444 --> 00:01:36.104 the high bidder of a government auction to buy a short school bus. 00:01:36.714 --> 00:01:41.504 it's something that I've been wanting to do for a long time and, I eventually want 00:01:41.504 --> 00:01:43.924 to convert it into a little RV type thing. 00:01:43.934 --> 00:01:48.954 I have no aspirations to live in a school bus, but just the idea of like 00:01:49.014 --> 00:01:54.414 I've looked at a lot of RVs, and I am in Nevada where there's a lot of space, and 00:01:54.414 --> 00:01:58.164 we have things like Burning Man, and I think it would just be a fun project to 00:01:58.164 --> 00:02:02.924 convert it, work with my hands, not be in front of a computer, and I have gone 00:02:02.934 --> 00:02:06.254 back and forth, and everyone around me is probably sick of listening to should 00:02:06.254 --> 00:02:10.124 I buy a school bus, should I not buy a school bus, and so I, this morning, it 00:02:10.124 --> 00:02:14.454 ends in three hours, and right now I'm the high bidder, so I just, Put in a bid. 00:02:14.474 --> 00:02:15.224 I was like, you know what? 00:02:15.224 --> 00:02:17.484 I can spreadsheet this out as much as possible. 00:02:17.484 --> 00:02:21.454 I can go back and forth, but ultimately it's a reversible decision. 00:02:21.454 --> 00:02:25.974 So like it will be a school bus that I can resell if I choose not to convert 00:02:25.974 --> 00:02:28.314 it, if it's just not going to be. 00:02:28.594 --> 00:02:30.784 worth having, then I can do that. 00:02:30.794 --> 00:02:31.614 It is in LA. 00:02:31.724 --> 00:02:36.174 So if I win it, I have 10 business days to go get it, drive back. 00:02:36.614 --> 00:02:39.854 so I'm going to have to do some gymnastics with my schedule if I get it. 00:02:39.864 --> 00:02:44.294 So if we get it, we'll do an update and it'll be part of the building and learning 00:02:44.914 --> 00:02:45.514 CJ: Nice 00:02:45.704 --> 00:02:47.364 Colin: side projects for the future. 00:02:47.674 --> 00:02:48.084 CJ: Nice. 00:02:48.814 --> 00:02:53.464 Man, this sounds awesome for you because you camp so much and you go out and do 00:02:53.464 --> 00:02:58.084 stuff outdoors so much that it'll be amazing to just pull up to any campsite 00:02:58.084 --> 00:03:01.854 anywhere in Northern Nevada, Northern California, and just have all your gear 00:03:01.854 --> 00:03:03.544 and all your stuff like ready to go. 00:03:04.034 --> 00:03:07.894 Colin: that's the plan and hopefully it'll open up more like cold weather camping and 00:03:07.894 --> 00:03:12.559 stuff because we like to If we get this, it's going to be like, we have to use it. 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.699 If we find that we don't use it, then it probably should go find a new home. 00:03:16.709 --> 00:03:18.349 But, yeah, we'll see. 00:03:18.369 --> 00:03:20.309 So I'll keep everybody updated on that. 00:03:20.814 --> 00:03:21.224 CJ: Nice. 00:03:21.274 --> 00:03:25.544 I was surprised when we got like a utility vehicle, it actually changed 00:03:25.544 --> 00:03:27.344 our lifestyle a surprising amount. 00:03:27.374 --> 00:03:29.054 I didn't realize how much it would impact. 00:03:29.054 --> 00:03:31.394 I thought it's just Oh, it's another daily driver kind of thing. 00:03:31.804 --> 00:03:36.144 But we actually started doing bigger projects, like on the house and actually 00:03:36.144 --> 00:03:42.204 hauling, giant, Like loads of cordwood or giant things of pine needles and, 00:03:42.524 --> 00:03:46.354 sheet rock and pavers and like all this stuff that is much harder to do 00:03:46.384 --> 00:03:48.164 just in the back of your like sedan. 00:03:48.664 --> 00:03:53.384 it also like for us, for a four person family, it unlocked like longer trips 00:03:53.414 --> 00:03:56.334 because we could pack just like an ridiculous amount of stuff in the back. 00:03:56.724 --> 00:03:58.844 So we would go with the kids with. 00:03:59.344 --> 00:04:04.594 the trunk full of all the goodies and huge, ice chests full of all the 00:04:04.594 --> 00:04:07.704 food and everything that we would need to go for, big long trips. 00:04:08.624 --> 00:04:11.704 So definitely excited for you to have that sort of same experience. 00:04:23.524 --> 00:04:23.754 Colin: Yeah. 00:04:23.754 --> 00:04:26.794 the friends who have one, they haven't converted it because 00:04:26.874 --> 00:04:29.934 what's cool about school buses is you can literally wash it out. 00:04:30.364 --> 00:04:31.794 They use it to go to the dump. 00:04:31.804 --> 00:04:32.944 They use it to move stuff. 00:04:32.974 --> 00:04:38.394 They, when they do go to Burning Man, they like throw a folding couch bed into 00:04:38.394 --> 00:04:41.564 it and they just don't convert it, which means they don't have to register it 00:04:41.564 --> 00:04:46.984 as an RV and there's like a whole world of in some States you have to convert 00:04:46.984 --> 00:04:50.414 it and turn it into an RV if you don't want it to be a commercial vehicle. 00:04:50.844 --> 00:04:51.384 this bus. 00:04:51.684 --> 00:04:54.264 in particular is actually just registered as a van. 00:04:54.554 --> 00:04:57.914 So I'm dodging a lot of headaches there with it. 00:04:58.294 --> 00:04:58.974 It's a van. 00:04:58.974 --> 00:04:59.984 It's not a school bus. 00:04:59.994 --> 00:05:01.094 It's not a commercial vehicle. 00:05:01.104 --> 00:05:03.254 So I'll share some learnings here. 00:05:03.254 --> 00:05:06.694 maybe we'll have an Instagram, a school bus Instagram or something, 00:05:06.704 --> 00:05:08.114 maybe YouTube in the future. 00:05:08.174 --> 00:05:08.554 We'll see. 00:05:08.564 --> 00:05:09.154 CJ: nice. 00:05:09.504 --> 00:05:10.164 Very cool. 00:05:10.514 --> 00:05:10.964 Awesome. 00:05:12.344 --> 00:05:16.844 so I was on Twitter and Reddit this morning and I noticed 00:05:16.844 --> 00:05:18.824 this new flex UI library. 00:05:18.824 --> 00:05:19.964 I don't know if you've seen this. 00:05:20.484 --> 00:05:26.114 this, this rails dev is, indie hacker kind of releasing their own 00:05:26.134 --> 00:05:31.104 UI framework that is built on flex with a bunch of UI components. 00:05:31.484 --> 00:05:33.144 and yeah, I don't know. 00:05:33.524 --> 00:05:35.414 I'm not sold on it a hundred percent. 00:05:35.424 --> 00:05:39.014 I think I love the idea of flex because you don't have to write, like you 00:05:39.014 --> 00:05:43.174 can write everything with Ruby and I don't love spending time in HTML, 00:05:43.194 --> 00:05:48.434 but at the same time, there's just so many code examples and templates and 00:05:48.434 --> 00:05:50.994 other UI frameworks that come with. 00:05:51.194 --> 00:05:56.484 HTML and CSS examples that I have a hard time like just going 00:05:56.484 --> 00:05:58.464 all in on something like flex. 00:05:58.644 --> 00:06:00.444 Colin: Yeah, there's a lot of libraries. 00:06:00.444 --> 00:06:05.134 I think you mentioned this one from ShadCN here as well, which is 00:06:05.144 --> 00:06:07.704 built on top of Radix and Tailwind. 00:06:08.404 --> 00:06:11.624 They don't build themselves as a component library, but I like this 00:06:11.624 --> 00:06:14.324 idea of reusable code snippets. 00:06:14.324 --> 00:06:17.054 It's like, how many of us have to reinvent the wheel every single 00:06:17.134 --> 00:06:19.394 time we want to do the same things? 00:06:19.774 --> 00:06:20.324 We're not. 00:06:20.834 --> 00:06:23.614 We're not at a point in web development where we're trying to reinvent the wheel. 00:06:23.614 --> 00:06:27.304 Like users know how to use things and they don't want surprises. 00:06:27.794 --> 00:06:31.024 but we also, we don't want to re implement them over and over again. 00:06:31.034 --> 00:06:33.834 So yeah, this one's pretty interesting. 00:06:34.174 --> 00:06:37.934 We've got so flexes for Ruby devs and then rails UI. 00:06:37.994 --> 00:06:38.564 Is that 00:06:38.954 --> 00:06:41.854 CJ: Rails UI is another, it's just like another UI framework. 00:06:41.964 --> 00:06:46.944 And, yeah, I don't know how any of these are going to, how adoption 00:06:46.944 --> 00:06:48.014 is going to go for any of them. 00:06:48.124 --> 00:06:50.664 also I signed up to try to get access to v0. 00:06:50.664 --> 00:06:51.114 dev. 00:06:51.694 --> 00:06:58.094 This is ShadCN got acquired by Vercel and they've been working on a GPT 00:06:58.094 --> 00:07:01.254 tool where you can like type in what you want it to generate, and then 00:07:01.254 --> 00:07:04.604 it's supposed to generate it for you, which I think would just be mind 00:07:04.604 --> 00:07:06.514 blowing, that would be so amazing. 00:07:06.614 --> 00:07:08.674 But yeah, I haven't gotten access yet. 00:07:08.684 --> 00:07:12.794 So I'm, waiting, with bated breath to see how that's going to work out. 00:07:13.689 --> 00:07:14.199 Colin: Awesome. 00:07:14.719 --> 00:07:14.909 Yeah. 00:07:14.909 --> 00:07:18.389 I've been looking at the Shed CN one and then the other one. 00:07:18.409 --> 00:07:19.739 I don't, are we saying that right? 00:07:19.739 --> 00:07:20.279 I think so. 00:07:20.679 --> 00:07:24.499 and then, I also, I think we're both tailwind UI customers. 00:07:24.549 --> 00:07:28.409 I love, being able to copy and paste some of those, or even just go look 00:07:28.409 --> 00:07:30.519 at okay, how did you guys build this? 00:07:31.099 --> 00:07:31.709 so 00:07:31.744 --> 00:07:34.804 CJ: I definitely lean on Tailwind UI way hard. 00:07:34.904 --> 00:07:38.774 Drew on our team is incredibly good at Tailwind and. 00:07:40.449 --> 00:07:43.549 As both a designer and a front end engineer, he can look at something 00:07:43.549 --> 00:07:45.579 and be like, Oh yeah, that's, you just need this class here, 00:07:45.579 --> 00:07:46.729 this class here, this class here. 00:07:46.729 --> 00:07:48.389 I'm like, Whoa, how did you even do that? 00:07:48.409 --> 00:07:49.229 Cause I just, 00:07:49.739 --> 00:07:51.199 Colin: CSS, 00:07:51.419 --> 00:07:52.809 CJ: yeah, exactly. 00:07:52.809 --> 00:07:56.579 I'm like, I just, I'm like just copying and pasting from tailwind 00:07:56.599 --> 00:07:58.859 UI and it looks good enough. 00:07:59.169 --> 00:08:03.464 Colin: I will say it's still worth learning CSS because it's I think a lot 00:08:03.464 --> 00:08:07.984 of people are learning with tailwinds and they don't fully understand how 00:08:08.014 --> 00:08:10.214 things like the box model and stuff work. 00:08:10.394 --> 00:08:15.034 And if you do know CSS well, then you're like, Oh, I know exactly what 00:08:15.034 --> 00:08:16.534 helper classes to throw on here. 00:08:16.534 --> 00:08:20.364 And it took me a long time to come to terms with using all these class 00:08:20.364 --> 00:08:24.294 names on elements, because I'm so used to using like a descriptive ID with a 00:08:24.414 --> 00:08:27.554 very separate CSS file and all of that, 00:08:27.869 --> 00:08:28.069 CJ: yeah. 00:08:28.574 --> 00:08:33.774 Colin: the CSS Zen garden, way of doing things, but it's hard to deny 00:08:33.774 --> 00:08:37.994 how fast and how like you don't have to maintain style sheets and stuff. 00:08:37.994 --> 00:08:40.044 It's just beautiful. 00:08:42.029 --> 00:08:44.809 CJ: The other thing though, that we bumped up against was that. 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:51.409 When I kicked off the Rails app, I edited the generators that, Jumpstart 00:08:51.409 --> 00:08:57.429 Pro comes with so that it would spit out, standard HTML for all of the views that we 00:08:57.429 --> 00:08:59.289 needed with a bunch of Tailwind classes. 00:08:59.739 --> 00:09:04.139 And that is not very maintainable now that we're, hundreds and... 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:05.739 Hundreds of views deep. 00:09:06.119 --> 00:09:09.259 And so now we're starting to extract some of that into things like view 00:09:09.259 --> 00:09:14.029 components and little helpers, not just like partials, but like 00:09:14.029 --> 00:09:16.089 actually like proper components. 00:09:16.569 --> 00:09:20.479 but I don't know, is something like flex UI, if it just gave you the component 00:09:20.509 --> 00:09:24.469 and then you had to style that, would it be as easy to copy over the CSS into 00:09:24.479 --> 00:09:29.409 those versus just having some HTML and like a view component template somewhere? 00:09:29.719 --> 00:09:30.059 I don't know. 00:09:31.569 --> 00:09:35.929 not, not so not totally sold, but also not, not closing my mind to 00:09:35.929 --> 00:09:37.309 the idea that it could work out. 00:09:37.309 --> 00:09:39.669 So if anyone has strong opinions, let us know. 00:09:40.239 --> 00:09:40.549 Yeah. 00:09:40.554 --> 00:09:41.214 Colin: Interesting. 00:09:41.294 --> 00:09:44.074 And Flex UI has an element of a premium option. 00:09:44.074 --> 00:09:45.384 paywall or something. 00:09:45.414 --> 00:09:45.714 Hey, breaking news. 00:09:48.509 --> 00:09:48.859 CJ: Yeah. 00:09:48.859 --> 00:09:50.429 And it's also pre sale. 00:09:50.449 --> 00:09:52.709 so I think today was like the first sales were happening. 00:09:52.709 --> 00:09:54.959 So this is yeah, hot off the presses. 00:09:55.029 --> 00:09:55.449 Yeah. 00:09:55.829 --> 00:09:56.679 Breaking news. 00:09:56.729 --> 00:09:59.669 probably, I don't know, a few weeks ago, whenever this episode 00:09:59.709 --> 00:10:01.339 actually goes out, but, yeah. 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:02.249 Colin: Cool. 00:10:02.929 --> 00:10:05.879 shifting into a little something different, I think listeners 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.149 want to hear a fitness update. 00:10:07.429 --> 00:10:08.239 CJ: Oh yeah. 00:10:08.299 --> 00:10:08.789 Let's do it. 00:10:08.839 --> 00:10:09.399 Let's do it. 00:10:09.409 --> 00:10:09.859 So 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:10.529 Colin: going? 00:10:10.939 --> 00:10:12.139 CJ: yeah, it's going well. 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:18.539 I'm down to 226 pounds, which is a little bit past my goal of 230, which, yeah. 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:18.989 Thank you. 00:10:18.989 --> 00:10:19.359 It feels 00:10:19.389 --> 00:10:19.689 Colin: horn? 00:10:19.719 --> 00:10:21.269 Insert air horn here. 00:10:21.562 --> 00:10:26.492 CJ: the accountability like cohort thing that I did on a, which is like a group 00:10:26.492 --> 00:10:28.262 of dads on Facebook, that was huge. 00:10:28.272 --> 00:10:33.122 Just having to record every single thing that I ate and show them pictures of it. 00:10:33.152 --> 00:10:37.652 And also they could see like my workouts every day. 00:10:37.702 --> 00:10:41.742 And they, we would call each other out if someone was slacking, like, Oh, hey, 00:10:42.062 --> 00:10:43.762 where's your, pictures of your food today? 00:10:43.762 --> 00:10:46.702 Or, Hey, it looks like you took it too easy on that ride. 00:10:46.712 --> 00:10:47.982 Like, why don't you ride a little harder? 00:10:48.482 --> 00:10:49.362 so that worked really well. 00:10:49.372 --> 00:10:53.702 It ended and I've like definitely plateaued a little bit since it ended. 00:10:54.082 --> 00:10:56.512 but I'm also okay, I gotta take a little break and then. 00:10:57.107 --> 00:10:57.887 Next stop is 2. 00:10:57.887 --> 00:10:59.817 15, so we're gonna keep going. 00:11:00.177 --> 00:11:02.787 Couple things that I learned and would recommend checking out. 00:11:03.297 --> 00:11:07.547 I have used MyFitnessPal a ton for tracking calories, but there's 00:11:07.547 --> 00:11:09.317 this other one called MacroFactor. 00:11:09.832 --> 00:11:14.222 the UI is different and, it feels a lot quicker and it's more modern. 00:11:14.582 --> 00:11:17.852 And, my buddy Jeff is having a great success with this. 00:11:18.242 --> 00:11:22.272 The way that it works is you put in the same details and as long as 00:11:22.272 --> 00:11:27.842 you're tracking correctly, it can calculate your basal metabolic rate. 00:11:28.927 --> 00:11:32.237 Based on like your weight and the calories that you're entering. 00:11:32.237 --> 00:11:35.107 So it can figure out like, Oh, here's exactly how many calories 00:11:35.107 --> 00:11:36.147 you should be eating each day. 00:11:36.677 --> 00:11:39.437 And then make recommendations automatically based on that, instead 00:11:39.437 --> 00:11:42.557 of you having to go and do research and then enter in certain things, 00:11:42.967 --> 00:11:47.080 it gives you a more intelligent of, your diet, which is cool. 00:11:48.050 --> 00:11:51.400 And I think I mentioned on the last, episode, but this book called The 00:11:51.410 --> 00:11:55.420 Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition, which was like super dense and 00:11:55.430 --> 00:12:00.050 scientific, I really liked it, and it gave me a lot of things to chew on. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.850 I'm like definitely in the camp of More data is better and nerding out about, 00:12:03.890 --> 00:12:10.870 Oh, all the different, proteins and, the exact number of like grams of carbs that 00:12:10.870 --> 00:12:13.800 you should be eating based on your weight and based on your gender, based on your 00:12:13.800 --> 00:12:15.380 activity level, et cetera, et cetera. 00:12:15.380 --> 00:12:17.100 So that was pretty cool. 00:12:17.740 --> 00:12:18.490 yeah, it's going well. 00:12:18.985 --> 00:12:21.685 Colin: Yeah, I've been looking at an app called chronometer. 00:12:21.785 --> 00:12:24.835 I guess I haven't talked about on the show, but I've just passed a hundred 00:12:24.835 --> 00:12:26.995 and something days of being vegan. 00:12:27.695 --> 00:12:30.835 and one of the concerns there is like making sure that you get 00:12:30.925 --> 00:12:32.535 all of your nutrients and things. 00:12:32.535 --> 00:12:34.175 And so chronometer will break down. 00:12:34.455 --> 00:12:38.085 I think my fitness pal and macro factor might do this too, but it 00:12:38.085 --> 00:12:39.415 goes really in depth that way. 00:12:39.415 --> 00:12:41.135 If you record your food, Yeah. 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:46.570 It'll show you like this meal was like hits your targets on like certain 00:12:46.570 --> 00:12:50.570 vitamins and minerals that you need, because that's one of the concerns. 00:12:50.570 --> 00:12:53.710 There's a lot of people end up eating vegan junk food and never 00:12:53.710 --> 00:12:54.980 getting what they really need. 00:12:55.090 --> 00:12:59.940 and so things like B12, different, are you just eating salts all the time and 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:01.680 everything's just overwhelmed with sodium. 00:13:02.070 --> 00:13:03.410 Those kinds of things are important. 00:13:03.460 --> 00:13:07.270 I think I, I was mostly doing it to just try something for consistent 00:13:07.290 --> 00:13:09.050 a hundred days and see how it goes. 00:13:09.050 --> 00:13:14.080 And now I'm waiting to, gonna do a blood test, as part of my just annual checkup 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.530 at the end of November and we'll see if we'll stay on the vegan train or not. 00:13:17.570 --> 00:13:17.860 But, 00:13:17.970 --> 00:13:18.880 CJ: How do you feel? 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:20.360 Colin: I feel pretty good. 00:13:20.410 --> 00:13:22.530 I haven't noticed too many things. 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:26.140 I think for me, like my weight is more consistent and I've actually been 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:31.180 losing weight in a, fairly healthy way without doing much workouts. 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.460 and so like I have a new normal basically. 00:13:35.060 --> 00:13:38.440 but I also don't crave a lot of the stuff that I used to crave. 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:42.580 I've really figured out how to make it easy in social situations as well as 00:13:42.630 --> 00:13:44.330 going out to eat and things like that too. 00:13:44.380 --> 00:13:46.460 yeah, we're hacking all the things over here. 00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:47.470 It sounds like both of us. 00:13:47.790 --> 00:13:52.910 CJ: Yeah, I think it's like a good thing to experiment with your body, with your 00:13:52.910 --> 00:13:58.626 diet, , I think it also builds your confidence, if you can control what you 00:13:58.866 --> 00:14:03.916 eat, just like just being able to do that I think reflects like a certain 00:14:03.916 --> 00:14:07.396 level of discipline, which trickles down into so many other areas of your 00:14:07.396 --> 00:14:09.366 life that I don't know, it feels good. 00:14:10.106 --> 00:14:10.296 Colin: Totally. 00:14:11.446 --> 00:14:14.446 So you guys are hiring, you've been playing with some UI stuff, 00:14:14.466 --> 00:14:16.396 what else have you been building? 00:14:17.101 --> 00:14:21.291 CJ: Yeah, right now on the side, I started, I've just been trying 00:14:21.291 --> 00:14:24.931 to learn more and more of these, machine learning and natural 00:14:24.931 --> 00:14:26.971 language processing and GPT tools. 00:14:27.471 --> 00:14:32.311 And so I'm building a tool that will write fiction novels. 00:14:33.196 --> 00:14:34.866 Or help you write fiction novels. 00:14:34.866 --> 00:14:40.216 Obviously, you still have to be very involved in the process, but 00:14:40.336 --> 00:14:48.286 trying to use GPT to like help be a, co pilot or tailwind for 00:14:48.326 --> 00:14:50.426 authors to, to write these books. 00:14:50.446 --> 00:14:51.936 So that's been really fun. 00:14:52.376 --> 00:14:55.766 There is some tooling in the Ruby ecosystem. 00:14:55.776 --> 00:14:57.497 So there's a project called LangChain. 00:14:57.497 --> 00:15:03.106 rb that is, that's got like some stuff in the toolkit. 00:15:03.376 --> 00:15:07.386 and so what I'm finding is oh, I get to like deep dive into 00:15:07.606 --> 00:15:09.096 the approaches that these. 00:15:09.651 --> 00:15:14.341 Libraries are taking and really it's just like several interactions 00:15:14.341 --> 00:15:17.531 with different large language models to get different results. 00:15:17.531 --> 00:15:19.991 Oh, first I want you to. 00:15:20.721 --> 00:15:26.131 Do a search based on this query to find similar results from the past. 00:15:26.161 --> 00:15:30.251 And then I want you to combine those together as input into the next query 00:15:30.331 --> 00:15:31.811 and then give me the ultimate result. 00:15:31.811 --> 00:15:38.781 So combining or summarizing or splitting or thinking about or, planning or 00:15:38.831 --> 00:15:41.571 like all these different like steps that you can do in the middle. 00:15:41.951 --> 00:15:45.911 I'll share more details later, but, I heard on the radio somewhere that 00:15:45.951 --> 00:15:51.631 Amazon just changed their rules about self publishing and at some 00:15:51.631 --> 00:15:54.071 point, like you could self publish as much as you wanted on Amazon. 00:15:54.071 --> 00:15:56.291 And they recently made it so that you're only allowed to self 00:15:56.291 --> 00:16:00.581 publish three books per day because people were just like plowing. 00:16:01.056 --> 00:16:03.726 It's yeah, generating a bunch of stuff and self publishing. 00:16:03.726 --> 00:16:07.646 And I was like, huh, wouldn't it be cool if there was like a tool that helped 00:16:07.646 --> 00:16:13.766 you do that self publishing, but also like lets you edit in the process. 00:16:14.356 --> 00:16:19.956 also slightly inspired my, Nicole and my mom, went to Salem, Massachusetts. 00:16:20.401 --> 00:16:25.731 During October, which there's like all of this like crazy, tourist activity 00:16:25.741 --> 00:16:27.551 around like the witch trials and stuff. 00:16:28.021 --> 00:16:31.591 And there was a couple of really interesting, like historical 00:16:31.591 --> 00:16:33.111 figures that they learned about. 00:16:33.481 --> 00:16:36.271 And then when they came home, they were like, Oh, I wish there was a. 00:16:36.381 --> 00:16:38.981 historical fiction book about this specific person. 00:16:39.351 --> 00:16:41.081 I would love to hear and learn about their life. 00:16:41.081 --> 00:16:43.621 And maybe I should write a book that, talks about that. 00:16:43.621 --> 00:16:46.591 And in my head, I'm like, Oh my God, like I could feed all this 00:16:46.591 --> 00:16:51.121 like historical reference data to GPT and then help help be the co 00:16:51.121 --> 00:16:52.831 pilot for writing a fiction novel. 00:16:52.901 --> 00:16:57.801 And so that's a combination of several different like ideas 00:16:57.841 --> 00:16:59.201 that are plowing into that. 00:16:59.201 --> 00:16:59.481 So 00:17:00.101 --> 00:17:00.601 Colin: Very cool. 00:17:01.231 --> 00:17:02.051 CJ: yeah, it should be fun. 00:17:02.521 --> 00:17:06.081 Colin: It's fun to work on something that's not work specific too. 00:17:06.591 --> 00:17:06.911 CJ: Yeah. 00:17:06.941 --> 00:17:07.241 Yeah. 00:17:07.291 --> 00:17:10.781 I'm also like trying to be more fun with it and just like crazy 00:17:10.781 --> 00:17:15.031 colors and, move as fast as possible and, working on it with the kids. 00:17:15.041 --> 00:17:16.421 So that's always fun too. 00:17:17.021 --> 00:17:17.571 Colin: Nice. 00:17:18.321 --> 00:17:18.771 CJ: Yeah. 00:17:20.191 --> 00:17:23.751 How's, the conference app going? 00:17:24.401 --> 00:17:24.841 Colin: Good. 00:17:24.861 --> 00:17:29.761 Yeah, I think we've talked about this one a lot, calendars in general, but I 00:17:29.761 --> 00:17:34.191 finally decided I'm in this accountability group and we're building it. 00:17:34.241 --> 00:17:37.901 So I've got four more weeks. 00:17:38.031 --> 00:17:41.151 It might not be fully featured by then, but I'm hoping we have 00:17:41.151 --> 00:17:42.571 to do show and tell at the end. 00:17:42.571 --> 00:17:48.231 So at the end, I'll have the ability to at least have the iPad app show. 00:17:48.231 --> 00:17:50.871 And it's just going to be a react website for now. 00:17:50.871 --> 00:17:55.201 It's not going to be a native app, but, turn red and green when it's been 00:17:55.201 --> 00:17:57.761 booked and then the ability to log in. 00:17:59.471 --> 00:18:04.571 Create an account and actually click and drag and book the meetings, 00:18:04.571 --> 00:18:07.811 which I think I'm gonna look at full calendar like you mentioned last week. 00:18:08.231 --> 00:18:12.461 just because as much as I would like to use the really cool tailwind calendars. 00:18:12.491 --> 00:18:13.741 I am not building all of that. 00:18:14.156 --> 00:18:14.806 CJ: Yeah. 00:18:15.116 --> 00:18:15.396 Yeah. 00:18:16.296 --> 00:18:20.516 I am really curious the structure for the accountability group. 00:18:21.006 --> 00:18:24.496 And like, how did you find out about it is, yeah. 00:18:24.496 --> 00:18:26.826 Like how often do you meet and how does that, yeah, how does it work? 00:18:27.126 --> 00:18:29.786 Colin: Yeah, so we, it's part of our co working space. 00:18:29.826 --> 00:18:33.136 it's like a perk of being a member and we meet once a week for eight weeks. 00:18:33.586 --> 00:18:34.946 and I'm the facilitator for it. 00:18:34.946 --> 00:18:37.406 So I guide them through picking one project. 00:18:37.896 --> 00:18:39.856 we seem to attract very. 00:18:40.361 --> 00:18:45.001 ambitious members who they're like, I'm going to work on all three of these things 00:18:45.061 --> 00:18:47.431 and they make no headway on any of them. 00:18:47.431 --> 00:18:49.851 And so we have really tuned the project. 00:18:49.881 --> 00:18:53.711 Like we've done this probably 20 times over the last couple of years. 00:18:53.711 --> 00:18:58.391 And We've learned to really make people dial into one project, do less than 00:18:58.391 --> 00:19:00.181 you think you can do in eight weeks. 00:19:00.191 --> 00:19:03.541 Cause we're only meeting for an hour and people are probably only carving 00:19:03.541 --> 00:19:04.951 a few hours out of every week. 00:19:05.371 --> 00:19:09.281 but we have somebody who's practicing and rediscovering their love for guitar. 00:19:09.681 --> 00:19:12.791 We have someone, trying to work on a course that they're doing. 00:19:13.341 --> 00:19:15.011 someone's working on a curriculum for yoga. 00:19:15.346 --> 00:19:18.656 Academy, like there's all kinds of different things, which is really cool. 00:19:19.046 --> 00:19:19.936 and it'll be fun. 00:19:19.936 --> 00:19:23.136 Cause show and tell for the guitar person is going to be, them performing 00:19:23.136 --> 00:19:26.686 a song and then we'll see, like the conference room app and things, 00:19:26.686 --> 00:19:28.486 so yeah, it works pretty well. 00:19:28.516 --> 00:19:31.496 Cause man, eight weeks goes by so fast. 00:19:31.671 --> 00:19:33.141 CJ: Yes, totally. 00:19:33.581 --> 00:19:36.881 Do you find that the day before you're, you meet with the other people, 00:19:36.881 --> 00:19:40.781 you're just like hustling to try to get something done to show like the next day. 00:19:40.781 --> 00:19:41.091 Yeah. 00:19:41.646 --> 00:19:45.576 Colin: I think that helps because you have to show something and we alternate 00:19:45.576 --> 00:19:47.426 between a rose and thorn update. 00:19:47.426 --> 00:19:50.146 So something that went well this week and something that, was 00:19:50.146 --> 00:19:51.666 a challenge or a speed bump. 00:19:52.056 --> 00:19:55.646 and then sometimes it'll be like, what's the thing that you ran into that you're 00:19:55.646 --> 00:19:57.186 interested in learning more about? 00:19:57.776 --> 00:20:01.206 and so It's really nice because some of our members, they come in and they work. 00:20:01.206 --> 00:20:04.646 If you've been to a WeWork or any of these places, like you don't really get 00:20:04.646 --> 00:20:07.716 to understand what people work on, what they're doing, what their challenges 00:20:07.716 --> 00:20:12.006 are, it becomes a little bit of group therapy where everything that happens in, 00:20:12.036 --> 00:20:14.296 in, in cultivation stays in cultivation. 00:20:14.296 --> 00:20:16.786 people get a little bit vulnerable if they're a freelancer and they're like, 00:20:16.786 --> 00:20:18.846 yeah, no clients are paying me on time. 00:20:19.316 --> 00:20:22.016 What, my, sometimes that project might be. 00:20:22.576 --> 00:20:26.236 I'm just going to figure out my invoicing and billing and getting a better system in 00:20:26.236 --> 00:20:28.606 place that makes people pay me up front. 00:20:28.606 --> 00:20:30.176 And it's really helpful. 00:20:30.196 --> 00:20:32.536 Cause then there's other people who probably were in that. 00:20:32.676 --> 00:20:35.346 position in the past that they can offer some advice. 00:20:35.356 --> 00:20:35.626 So 00:20:36.701 --> 00:20:38.571 CJ: And you said you've run it like 20 times. 00:20:38.826 --> 00:20:42.476 Colin: yeah, we've been doing it since 2017, I think. 00:20:42.506 --> 00:20:43.756 So it's, yeah. 00:20:43.761 --> 00:20:44.231 CJ: Okay. 00:20:44.776 --> 00:20:48.476 Colin: So we do, I think, three a year and they take about eight weeks. 00:20:49.151 --> 00:20:51.351 CJ: Are there certain cohorts? 00:20:51.771 --> 00:20:55.541 That you remember thinking like, wow, this one was really, like 00:20:55.981 --> 00:20:58.331 good results versus others. 00:20:58.351 --> 00:21:01.451 And then maybe were there like certain things that you took away from that? 00:21:01.501 --> 00:21:01.951 Colin: Yeah. 00:21:02.251 --> 00:21:07.661 the, it's so different how, like one year we had somebody who was running a packaged 00:21:07.661 --> 00:21:12.791 food company that was like a granola bar that people have heard of, and they're 00:21:12.791 --> 00:21:18.661 like, my goal is to hit a certain millions of dollars in revenue by the end of this 00:21:18.691 --> 00:21:22.291 program, and it's okay, I'm just wanting to just get my shit together and have 00:21:22.291 --> 00:21:26.931 a to do list by the end of this, right, So it always is so wildly different. 00:21:26.931 --> 00:21:32.111 And, but what's cool is that each member learns from a very different 00:21:32.121 --> 00:21:34.191 industry, very different type of work. 00:21:34.471 --> 00:21:38.051 cause some of them are remote employees, some are startup folks, some are 00:21:38.061 --> 00:21:42.071 freelancers, some are just striking it out on their own for the first time. 00:21:42.071 --> 00:21:42.811 And so you get. 00:21:42.906 --> 00:21:47.466 A lot of cross, cross communication and learning and those members end up 00:21:47.466 --> 00:21:49.166 knowing each other so much better too. 00:21:49.166 --> 00:21:53.906 And so outside of the program, selfishly for us too, they end up staying longer, 00:21:54.246 --> 00:21:57.836 in terms of being coworking members because they're growing as part of it. 00:21:57.836 --> 00:22:01.456 And so it's like a no brainer to stay a member, even if they don't 00:22:01.466 --> 00:22:03.006 need the physical space anymore. 00:22:03.981 --> 00:22:05.651 But yeah. 00:22:06.101 --> 00:22:09.301 anything else, what things are you digging into over 00:22:09.546 --> 00:22:13.946 CJ: Ah, man, just so much, so much of it is around this AI stuff. 00:22:13.946 --> 00:22:17.146 You know what's been really surprising is like, how good 00:22:17.626 --> 00:22:20.046 LLMs are at giving you back JSON? 00:22:20.646 --> 00:22:24.976 So you can just be like, Hey, generate this story with 10 characters 00:22:25.076 --> 00:22:29.426 and put the characters in a JSON array that looks like this, it'll 00:22:29.426 --> 00:22:31.136 come back like super well formed. 00:22:31.136 --> 00:22:34.176 And it's almost always right, at least with GPT four. 00:22:34.606 --> 00:22:38.661 And so that has just been like mind blowing that you can Tell it to do 00:22:38.661 --> 00:22:43.681 stuff and give you back well structured data that you can use as like part 00:22:43.681 --> 00:22:47.841 of programming something and not just like making an API call to generate 00:22:47.841 --> 00:22:50.831 a name and then making an API call to generate an occupation and making 00:22:50.831 --> 00:22:52.351 an API call to generate a background. 00:22:52.351 --> 00:22:54.971 It's no, just generate a bunch of stuff for me all at once. 00:22:55.271 --> 00:22:55.481 Colin: Yeah. 00:22:55.481 --> 00:22:56.321 We have like a. 00:22:56.651 --> 00:23:01.121 An AI discord that it's very similar to chat GPT, but like 00:23:01.121 --> 00:23:03.901 being able to say here's a bunch of country codes for localization. 00:23:04.481 --> 00:23:06.921 And I'm not going to go look up each of these country codes to 00:23:06.921 --> 00:23:08.541 see which countries they are. 00:23:08.541 --> 00:23:11.391 And I'll just say create a table with all the country names 00:23:11.821 --> 00:23:13.341 and whether or not we support. 00:23:13.486 --> 00:23:17.036 In this case like payments in that country and it just generates it for 00:23:17.036 --> 00:23:21.186 us It always you always like I feel like you need to spot check it and be 00:23:21.186 --> 00:23:23.336 like, okay Is there anything wrong? 00:23:23.336 --> 00:23:24.676 Did you hallucinate or anything? 00:23:25.126 --> 00:23:27.616 but for factual stuff like that, it's really nice. 00:23:27.646 --> 00:23:31.806 I think it's when it starts getting a little bit creative or I found 00:23:31.806 --> 00:23:35.566 that because I haven't worked with it as Directly as you have, 00:23:35.956 --> 00:23:37.336 sometimes I'll give it documents. 00:23:37.336 --> 00:23:41.676 Like I actually gave it a city council agenda and I was like, can you please 00:23:42.006 --> 00:23:43.936 just summarize this whole thing for me? 00:23:43.956 --> 00:23:48.166 And it took the densest, like when you're thinking of being like a 00:23:48.166 --> 00:23:51.056 city council representative, you would think that agenda should be 00:23:51.056 --> 00:23:52.666 approachable by the common person. 00:23:53.146 --> 00:23:54.646 And it's the exact opposite of that. 00:23:54.646 --> 00:23:56.846 It's AB four, five, six, seven. 00:23:56.856 --> 00:23:58.996 We're going to be talking about this and you're like, what the hell is that? 00:23:59.006 --> 00:24:00.656 And it went through and found. 00:24:01.151 --> 00:24:05.021 All I was like, who is in attendance of the meeting, who's presenting, 00:24:05.421 --> 00:24:09.381 which bars are asking for liquor licenses and stuff like that. 00:24:09.701 --> 00:24:12.801 So it's almost like being able to ask questions about, just a 00:24:12.801 --> 00:24:14.181 meeting, which is pretty cool. 00:24:14.541 --> 00:24:18.671 but it's sometimes forgets the context in between where they're like, Oh, we don't 00:24:18.671 --> 00:24:20.311 know who is going to be at this meeting. 00:24:20.311 --> 00:24:21.491 I was like, I just gave you. 00:24:22.071 --> 00:24:22.891 The list of people. 00:24:22.901 --> 00:24:24.361 So I'm like, Oh, my apologies. 00:24:24.361 --> 00:24:25.231 Here's the list of people. 00:24:25.241 --> 00:24:29.371 So sometimes it forgets between calls, but, I'll have to tune 00:24:29.371 --> 00:24:32.131 that a little bit and figure out how to make it remember better. 00:24:33.571 --> 00:24:37.001 CJ: Yeah, there's a, I've been really surprised that, using Claude, like 00:24:37.001 --> 00:24:42.011 the Claude version, the context window is so much bigger, like they give you 00:24:42.011 --> 00:24:45.741 a hundred thousand, I think it's a hundred thousand tokens or something. 00:24:45.751 --> 00:24:46.701 it's ridiculous. 00:24:47.251 --> 00:24:52.181 so you can give it just like a humongous file or document it and ask questions 00:24:52.181 --> 00:24:58.711 about it versus, a GPT three or four where you're limited to like 8k or 32k 00:24:58.711 --> 00:25:03.706 tokens, in which case You might have to do like some creative approaches 00:25:03.706 --> 00:25:09.356 to like splitting up the document, generating embeddings for it, using a 00:25:09.356 --> 00:25:14.286 vector database to use semantic search to pull out like the relevant chunks 00:25:14.296 --> 00:25:18.436 of the document, and then using that to feed GPT and tell it like give me an 00:25:18.436 --> 00:25:20.496 answer based on these three sections. 00:25:21.096 --> 00:25:22.696 but yeah, it's getting really good. 00:25:23.906 --> 00:25:27.606 There's this tool inside a lang chain called the conversational. 00:25:28.301 --> 00:25:29.451 Buffer memory. 00:25:29.871 --> 00:25:32.521 They're like trying to build out these concepts of memory because you 00:25:32.521 --> 00:25:34.401 have that limited context window. 00:25:34.861 --> 00:25:38.191 So imagine you have the super long running conversation, or you try to feed 00:25:38.191 --> 00:25:43.501 it all of the meeting notes from every city council meeting ever, and then you 00:25:43.501 --> 00:25:46.951 want to talk to it, like eventually it's going to run out of that memory space. 00:25:46.951 --> 00:25:49.901 But like one of the approaches that there's, teams are starting to 00:25:49.901 --> 00:25:51.881 explore is if it's an older message. 00:25:52.641 --> 00:25:56.281 Try to keep it in the context window by summarizing the older messages and 00:25:56.281 --> 00:26:01.931 just keeping it as information dense as possible and then give me space at 00:26:01.931 --> 00:26:05.691 the bottom of the context window or whatever to ask my question and have 00:26:05.691 --> 00:26:07.441 enough left over to get a response. 00:26:07.981 --> 00:26:11.971 and so this is something I've been trying to build with Rails where it's okay, build 00:26:11.971 --> 00:26:16.021 up the memory of different characters and like the traits of different characters. 00:26:16.061 --> 00:26:22.816 And then when we're crafting a section of the story where A subset of characters 00:26:22.816 --> 00:26:28.506 are involved, pull their character traits and then also maybe a sample from their 00:26:28.536 --> 00:26:33.856 memories where it's like relevant to the part of the story that we're writing now. 00:26:34.346 --> 00:26:36.286 So it's all fun. 00:26:36.986 --> 00:26:39.906 Yeah, it's like it's so crazy to me that any of this works. 00:26:39.966 --> 00:26:43.306 Colin: Yeah, and I was having a meeting with some folks who are trying to 00:26:43.306 --> 00:26:47.016 figure out how to make City Council be more transparent, and that's where 00:26:47.016 --> 00:26:52.196 that idea came from, and it was just interesting to see, we deal with 00:26:52.196 --> 00:26:56.666 tech all day long, and, some of these folks were past City Council members. 00:26:57.121 --> 00:26:58.521 in the 2000s. 00:26:58.531 --> 00:26:59.571 They're a little bit older. 00:26:59.571 --> 00:27:01.411 They just don't use tech as much as we do. 00:27:01.961 --> 00:27:05.041 And they're like, yeah, now they like split the agenda into multiple 00:27:05.141 --> 00:27:06.961 agendas and multiple files. 00:27:06.961 --> 00:27:09.111 And I was like, computers do not care about that. 00:27:09.111 --> 00:27:13.151 Like it makes it harder for people to follow, which is unfortunate 00:27:13.181 --> 00:27:14.851 and intentional probably. 00:27:15.831 --> 00:27:19.801 And sometimes the topics, if you're interested in a certain proposal. 00:27:19.886 --> 00:27:22.256 It might change names between councils. 00:27:22.306 --> 00:27:25.256 And it's okay, do we assume it's making it more specific? 00:27:25.266 --> 00:27:28.406 Or is this out of is this out of just like negligence or is this intention? 00:27:28.841 --> 00:27:31.181 That they intentionally don't want you to follow it. 00:27:31.591 --> 00:27:35.351 I was like, we should be able to know, and that, that memory that you're 00:27:35.351 --> 00:27:40.051 talking about, I would love to have all of the city council database, right? 00:27:40.061 --> 00:27:43.631 All of the, all of them, because I want to know not only the agenda, 00:27:43.651 --> 00:27:47.511 but also the transcript of every meeting, and say, tell me all the 00:27:47.511 --> 00:27:48.961 meetings that this person attended. 00:27:48.981 --> 00:27:52.161 Tell me, all the meetings where this topic was discussed. 00:27:52.736 --> 00:27:56.356 without having to go pay, a paralegal or somebody to go 00:27:56.366 --> 00:27:58.316 through and find all these things. 00:27:58.346 --> 00:28:01.346 And I'm sure this is helping a lot in the legal space. 00:28:01.346 --> 00:28:04.716 I know Joshua Pig, spigford on Twitter. 00:28:04.736 --> 00:28:07.206 He has been working on detangled. 00:28:07.516 --> 00:28:08.836 ai, which is pretty cool. 00:28:08.836 --> 00:28:11.136 You can give it a legal document and it spits out. 00:28:11.306 --> 00:28:15.256 the, run of the mill, give it to me straight, summary, which is awesome. 00:28:15.936 --> 00:28:16.756 I think that's pretty cool. 00:28:17.311 --> 00:28:22.451 CJ: So for the city council stuff, would you imagine like a sort of 00:28:22.451 --> 00:28:26.141 chat with your docs type situation or like question and answer? 00:28:26.141 --> 00:28:29.351 Like you want to just ask Hey, what happened here? 00:28:29.361 --> 00:28:29.841 Or, 00:28:30.841 --> 00:28:34.931 Colin: Yeah, their default thinking was to create yet another newspaper. 00:28:35.301 --> 00:28:37.111 And I was like, that does not scale, right? 00:28:37.161 --> 00:28:40.841 even if you had the summaries that you gave to a person to then write 00:28:40.851 --> 00:28:44.771 up the summaries and create some perspective, like almost every 00:28:44.771 --> 00:28:49.281 issue has two sides or more, so there's going to be editorial bias. 00:28:49.311 --> 00:28:53.421 And if you're in support of this thing, if we report on it. 00:28:53.716 --> 00:28:57.616 That's going to be obvious from this perspective versus I'm more interested 00:28:57.616 --> 00:29:02.526 in what's Factually happening or happened not necessarily editorializing 00:29:02.526 --> 00:29:06.766 on it I think doing questions would be interesting But I think the thing you 00:29:06.766 --> 00:29:09.996 the problem with any of these things you gotta get people to use it and 00:29:09.996 --> 00:29:14.116 I think would be more interesting to say CJ signed up for his local council 00:29:14.116 --> 00:29:20.616 watch and I see Jay live in this ward and I'm interested in these topics. 00:29:20.986 --> 00:29:25.106 Tell me any time bike infrastructure pops up on a city agenda. 00:29:25.186 --> 00:29:29.096 And then you get emails letting you know, but then we can 00:29:29.096 --> 00:29:30.696 also say this is how you can. 00:29:30.761 --> 00:29:35.231 Call in, write in or show up to a meeting based on the things you 00:29:35.231 --> 00:29:39.141 care about, because unfortunately we can't create a whole bunch of public 00:29:39.141 --> 00:29:43.281 comment off of a government website and then submit it for public comment. 00:29:43.311 --> 00:29:45.861 'cause they'll be like, oh, these trolls on the internet. 00:29:45.861 --> 00:29:49.861 it has to go through actual government, proceedings and 00:29:50.401 --> 00:29:51.631 meetings and stuff like that. 00:29:52.256 --> 00:29:57.026 CJ: But it could, as I think a lot of people aren't familiar, number one, 00:29:57.026 --> 00:30:00.906 like, how to call in or show up or have their voice heard, but also, it 00:30:00.906 --> 00:30:02.686 might be interesting to, give examples. 00:30:03.006 --> 00:30:08.416 To them like, okay, here's a, yeah, here's a drafted email for you to send. 00:30:08.426 --> 00:30:12.036 And here's the email address you should send it to and have the, this is how you 00:30:12.036 --> 00:30:13.476 can have your voice heard or whatever. 00:30:13.526 --> 00:30:16.256 Colin: oftentimes you see those templates and they're exactly the same 00:30:16.256 --> 00:30:18.876 and they just get tuned out by staff. 00:30:18.896 --> 00:30:23.666 But if you can regenerate the summary every time or at least give them a 00:30:23.676 --> 00:30:25.616 starting point, be like, what's your name? 00:30:26.016 --> 00:30:26.796 What do you care about? 00:30:26.796 --> 00:30:27.546 Where do you live? 00:30:27.546 --> 00:30:28.056 What ward? 00:30:28.066 --> 00:30:30.496 And then we generate a little thing that's custom to you. 00:30:30.566 --> 00:30:33.096 And with Twilio and stuff, we could even send it. 00:30:34.896 --> 00:30:36.566 yeah, it starts to get interesting. 00:30:36.566 --> 00:30:38.566 It's mostly like a civic engagement thing. 00:30:38.566 --> 00:30:41.586 It's do we just bury our faces in our phones more? 00:30:41.986 --> 00:30:45.836 Or do we use this tech to actually get people more engaged? 00:30:45.956 --> 00:30:50.346 Because people do care about where they live and the decisions being made. 00:30:50.356 --> 00:30:52.606 But like these meetings are during the middle of the day 00:30:52.606 --> 00:30:54.026 when most people can't go. 00:30:54.536 --> 00:30:56.106 and so we want to tell you like. 00:30:56.176 --> 00:30:59.006 If you're going to take time out of your work day, if you're going to call out 00:30:59.006 --> 00:31:04.466 sick or PTO, like this is, here's a letter to your boss one, to get your time off. 00:31:04.986 --> 00:31:07.666 But we want to make sure that you go to the most impactful 00:31:07.676 --> 00:31:10.136 meetings and not waste your time. 00:31:10.776 --> 00:31:12.856 I may be surprised city council in the process. 00:31:12.856 --> 00:31:15.796 You're like, you want, civic engagement. 00:31:15.796 --> 00:31:17.476 We're going to make you make people show up. 00:31:18.506 --> 00:31:19.346 CJ: I love that idea. 00:31:19.426 --> 00:31:20.076 That's very cool. 00:31:21.916 --> 00:31:24.296 And I also hadn't thought about like a monitor. 00:31:24.726 --> 00:31:26.426 Like a GPT based monitor. 00:31:26.426 --> 00:31:29.526 That's just tell me anytime bike infrastructure comes up in these 00:31:29.526 --> 00:31:34.156 meetings and then it could parse the docs and if it, even if it says bicycle 00:31:34.156 --> 00:31:38.726 instead of bike or whatever, like bike lane, whatever, like it's not, 00:31:38.726 --> 00:31:42.526 Colin: and in Reno, they're calling it micro mobility or multimodal. 00:31:42.526 --> 00:31:45.286 And I'm like, use the words that humans use. 00:31:45.497 --> 00:31:45.797 CJ: Yeah. 00:31:46.156 --> 00:31:50.236 Colin: these are city planning and like architecture, grad 00:31:50.237 --> 00:31:52.126 student words, which is great. 00:31:52.126 --> 00:31:56.906 But if you got an email that says come vote on micro mobility, whatever, like a 00:31:56.906 --> 00:31:58.276 lot of people are going to tune that out. 00:31:58.811 --> 00:32:01.371 but then you look at the bike organizations and they're like 00:32:01.371 --> 00:32:04.041 sending an email with save the bikes in all caps, right? 00:32:04.411 --> 00:32:07.621 One of those emails is getting open and one of them isn't and so 00:32:08.141 --> 00:32:11.611 there's these little nuances that come up and Yeah, maybe i'll have 00:32:11.611 --> 00:32:14.351 to dig into some nlp stuff here, too 00:32:14.797 --> 00:32:15.917 CJ: sounds like a fun project. 00:32:16.435 --> 00:32:17.155 Seems like a wrap. 00:32:17.155 --> 00:32:17.785 What do you say? 00:32:18.020 --> 00:32:20.800 Colin: yeah, I think there's Some topics here we can talk about 00:32:20.800 --> 00:32:24.230 next time, but, we've got some great shout outs for the show. 00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:26.910 So welcome to any new listeners out there and things for the 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