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It's not my thing, but I look at
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make duck calls, but they are
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stations. I want to make bald
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people don't know that the bald
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niche thing, but here we have,
you know a bald man, bald man,

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salt and pepper shakers. Bald
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know there's all sorts of
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thinking, Yeah, it'll be you and
Danny still creating things.

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Sure. Okay. Oh, yeah. So anyway,
to answer your question, you

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know the thought leaders, I have
nothing against it. It doesn't

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really do a lot for me. I like
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does somebody in a different
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parks, what are they doing? And
how can I distill that down into

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something that I'm doing? That's
kind of what happened. Yeah.

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Does your wife think you're
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Yeah, and she's also forbidden
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businesses. This is the rich
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Jim. We had Jay Weinberg on
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great session player. I got to
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Jeff roach. And, you know, was
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we talked about, not a lot about
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inspiration. There was some,
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happened. That's okay, that's
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look who's in the room today.
Music, motivation and success.

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This man has a haircut that
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Percussion. We're talking about
our friend. Mike McKey, thanks

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for coming, buddy. Oh my god,
man. I mean, if people don't

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know you're from Raleigh, North
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Raleigh, don't say don't see
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dead giveaway. There's a rally
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dead giveaway that you're not
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enough. And then you've been
calling Nashville home for five

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years. Man, you're a newbie. I'm
new for 11 years. You have been

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Delta Ray? Yes, founding member

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and drummer with the Americana
Rock Band Delta Ray, if you

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thought that was enough, no.
There's more to the story.

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Founding member, along with his
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company called bald man
percussion, two times you guys

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won Best in Show at Nam for an
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Here it is, right there. It's
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faint of heart, but it's we're
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is, how it came about. I was an
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haven't been able to use it live
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these sounds that have this kind
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the track, you know what I mean.
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that, but it is an amazing
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this thing called the drum team
collective, kind of rock and

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roll team building. So there's
so much to talk about. Mike

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McKey, thanks for coming, bud.
My joke. Yeah, man,

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housekeeping, housekeeping. We
gotta get some house. Jim will

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not let me do an episode without
saying that we do have the rich

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Finally, thank you. Check it
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episodes, by this time this
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episodes. We have merch. So
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iconic coffee mug that the
people have been asking about

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for five years. Even behind
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to your house. They will lick a
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house. We got beanies, we got
hats, we got hoodies, we got

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baseball jersey shirts. The
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25 fall 25 for a 25% discount.
Do it. Do it right now. Do it.

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Yeah, right. See housekeeping
Done, done and Rich will deliver

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these mugs to your house.
Personal person, on foot. On

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foot, he will walk. That's how
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people in my life, but this guy
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guy. You guys haven't put out an
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not back yet. He's not
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He is, yeah, on foot, he's
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Kevin, in Iowa, I'm telling you,
I love your energy, man, you

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know. But Raleigh, that's the
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mean, you have North energy,

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okay, I'll take it, you know. I
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because I'm from Jim and I are
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little slow around here. But you
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liked, I like life. I like doing
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that are interesting and
exciting, that find me

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interesting and exciting. And,
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charm to us. It felt like a
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did? Now, did you move here
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my band, Delta Ray, we signed to
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Seymour Stein, up in New York
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Seymour Stein, Delta Ray.
There's lots of stories out

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there of us doing long form of
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Thank you. And then we spent a
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forth. La, all over the world,
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all the all the fun stuff. And
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and here's why we were back and
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residency at the basement, the
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We turned this small, like 150
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Every week we had a preacher

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outside, warning people do not
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light arena lights everywhere. I
never heard of this because it

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sold out every time it was. It
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that we did it for 16 weeks.
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guest. We had Jamie Johnson pop
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single time. That's smart and
and you were, you were probably

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one of the brainchilds behind
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theme park kind of guy, and it
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playground to to create a theme
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black box. 150 people, teeny,
tiny, tiny. We'd be talking like

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sardines. It was sardines every
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stuff, look up the Delta Ray
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you'll see what I'm talking
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on your website with Delta Ray,
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where you have, like this,
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then the keyboard player jumps
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pans and trash cans. Delta Ray
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of percussion. Yeah, it's like,
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yeah, we get compared to that a
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magazine said, if delta Ray is
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North Carolina, you'd get delta
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Thank you. Yeah, good sound

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bite. Thank you. Good sound
bite. So there's a there's ups

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and downs with the band, label
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then when the pandemic hit, you
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Yes, thank you. And I will tell
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leaving Big Machine Records and
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record. And I'm sure the folks
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this, but for those who don't
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labels, you don't actually own
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own the music. You have your IP
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recording. So this will be our
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independent record release. We
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on Kickstarter. Blew it out of
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crazy, boom. It was amazing. It
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a trust fall into our fans, and
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special, and a wonderful,
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made two records upon But before
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and we call it behind the door.
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We're independent now we can do
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single month, every all six band
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TV shows. I made like a cocktail
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songwriting session, playing
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on guitar, and we would give
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fireside chat. So we were just
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with letting them into our
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exactly, and it would, and it
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this day now, you know, five
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chats. We all have kids and
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community of del charee die
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friendships and relationships
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they travel around together and
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heart. Is an amazing thing, but
we're also able to keep our

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working all the time and
pivoting a lot. I hate that

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word, but it's just just true.
It is overused. It is but, but I

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think here's my favorite quote.
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from HG Wells a director. He
says, the enemy of art is the

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absence of limitations. I'm
gonna say that again, the enemy

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of art is the absence of
limitations, meaning, if you

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have no restraints, no sorry, no
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personnel, everything that is
gonna create bad art. However,

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if you have constraints,
monetary restraints, time now,

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oh, you can't tour, that creates
amazing opportunity for art and

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ideas. So we have those
constraints, and that squeeze

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made us create behind the door.
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don't remember exactly who it
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art is created out of having not
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that's a constraint. It's
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The enemy of art is the absence
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I almost, I almost feel like you
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and showed labels how they could
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may or may not be having those
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because I, I don't, I don't see
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going to see something that
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it to the masses. Yeah, I have a
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and you're every time when I'm
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organized, and you were telling
me a way how you do your To Do

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lists and your action items and
all that. And I thought I was a

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pretty organized person, but, I
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bro. Well, I love seeing how
people work in their day to day.

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I think it's just fun. Yeah, and
I like to show people how I do

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my day to day work. And you
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different things which most
musicians do, and most, I'm

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sure, your audience here. They
are all professional musicians,

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but you have other things that
you're working on as well. Yeah,

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you got to figure out how to
time box thing. You know, I like

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to use a post it note every
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11. Here's what I'm doing. 1130
this time lunch break is this

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time I literally write it down.
I'm a kinetic learner, so I

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don't type it. I write it with
my hands. Oh, interesting. A

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kinetic learner. Kinetic
learner. Yeah, writing must be

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from Connecticut. That's there's
actually something to that. From

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North Carolina, charting songs
instead of using software. Bad

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jokes, man, when you write the
chart out, it helps you learn.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Typing out a chart. But yeah,

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same thing. Same thing. Yep. My
god, that is very, very

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impressive. So I'm looking at
your shirt right now. Bald

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member 2018

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you're the one with no glasses.
I'm the one with no glasses,

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correct? So then now tell us who
your partner is, who I know very

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well, Danny. Danny is one of my
favorite people in the whole

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wide world. Unbelievable.
Drummer, a talent through

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through the nose, and a super
hard worker. So we have a very

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wonderful working room.

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Relationship. We were similar in
a lot of ways, but the way we do

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work and stuff is polar
opposite, which I like, I like a

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little bit of friction with my
partners, because it creates

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great things and so, but we met
on the road. His band was

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opening up for Delta Ray. He saw
he was playing with Dan timinsky

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At the time, right? That this
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artist called the church
sisters. Okay, yeah. So anyway,

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as drummers, we typically wear
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drummers are bald. So he walked
in, yeah, exactly. So I was

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wearing my black V neck, and he
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Oh, hey, shirt brothers, yeah.
And he saw this thing up on the

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drum my drum kit. It was a
sloppy version of the junk hat.

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Okay, it didn't look like that
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And I'm not a woodworker, and
I'm not very good at crafty

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stuff. He saw that. He goes,
dude, that thing looks awesome,

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but it's so ugly. Can I make one
for myself? That's just more

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esthetically pleasing? Because
he says, because Dan, he's a

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woodworker, would work? Yes,
stupid talent guy. And he did.

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And he did, and he goes, dude,
this thing's cool. And then I

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was like, That's awesome. Well,
let's just keep on noodling

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around with it. And I was in
Raleigh at the time, but back

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and forth a bunch. So as I was
back and forth with del Terre

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doing the revival residency that
show would, I would stick around

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Nashville for a while, and I
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we I'd just stay the night there
sometimes and build junk hat

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stuff and mess around with bald
man things and anywho, we were

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gonna make 10 prototypes just
see what happened. And one of

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the like, we put it up on like,
a Squarespace site, and the

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first person that I saw email
said, Hey, I gotta have this

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thing. I saw this subject, and I
looked who it was. It was Matt

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Chamberlain, and I go, Oh, I
throw up a little bit. He's my

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he's my number one. Yeah, Matt's
my number one. As far as, like,

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a left of center, incredibly
creative session Museum. Oh,

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good gravy. Don't get me
started. Fiona, Apple

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wallflower, Saturday Night Live,
house band all over the night.

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David Bowie, yeah, insane,
insane. And a super nice guy,

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and just a sweet, sweet man. But
anyway, I was like, Danny, we're

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onto something. So let's just
not make 10 of these. Let's see

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if we can scale this up. And we
were just kind of off to the

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races, and won Best in Show at
NAMM for the junk hat. And we

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had some other products, one
called the stank foot, and that

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won Best in Show at NAMM of 2021
and then along the way, we had

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some fun collaborations with big
fat snare drum. We called it big

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fat bald man had some products
out, and that still exists as a

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partnership, as a partnership,
yeah, we're, we're kind of

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weaning off of that, those,
those particular products right

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now, just we have all these
different things going on,

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because the big fat bald man is,
it's a big fat snare drum

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muffling ring, and then on, it
looks like a little ribbon

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crasher, yeah, but it had bald
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the rhythm tech, rhythm crasher,
but a small and a muffler as

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well. Gotcha, yeah, yeah,
exactly. And the cool thing is

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that muffler, the rhythm, the
crasher part of it, doesn't

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trigger unless you hit it. So
oftentimes, with something you

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put on your snare drum that has
tambourines on, or whatever it's

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going on, no matter what this
one is, just a muffler. And if

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you want that cool white noise?
Yes, so fun to play. So much fun

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to play. Oh so brilliant. And
Chris mazzarizzi, I love him.

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And, you know, Ben hilziger and
all those guys over there,

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fantastic. You should check out
their meme page called Big Fat

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snare drum. That's just their
Instagram. Yeah, it's all like,

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I like those guys

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are amazing. I love it so, so.
And I think that this one was

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personally hand. I met, I met
Danny over a dose on Murphy

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road. Yeah, it was 2018 or 2019
and he goes, here you go. Man,

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check it out, you know thing.
And I just haven't found an

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outlet for it, you know, live,
but I mean, in this, yeah, well,

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I'll tell you what, man like,
you know, Aaron Sterling Victor

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and drizzo near z all, I mean,
all these amazing players, it's

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just popping up, you know, on
their Instagram and stuff like

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that, you know. So it's fun to
see this little weird product

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being used in in popular music.
And you can play with your foot,

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or you can play with your with
sticks, and there's various

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parts of it that you can play.
And of course, I'm sure it'll

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sound different if you play with
plastics or different size

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brushes, mallets, yep, making it
from the top, from the bottom.

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There's all sorts of stuff you
can do with it. Yeah, a lot of

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fun. Again. You can just go on
YouTube. Look up the junk CAD,

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we have some sweet water
promotion stuff. In fact, the

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video with Sweetwater explains a
lot. Nick di vigilio, he did a

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good job interviewing you guys.
Yeah, I just saw him at the

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Music City drum show. Saw you at
the music. You had your hands

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full. I did. I had a three year
old with me. He just showed up.

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I have child, though I didn't
steal him. I

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wouldn't just do that to myself.
Here, take the kid. All right,

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yeah, all right.

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For this,

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amazing product, man. And
congratulations. And, and it's

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just in what the sales are proud
to be in every country, right?

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Getting there, yeah, a lot of
countries. And I tell you, one

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of the most fun parts of this
whole thing was, I always, since

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I was a kid, wanted a patent. I
don't know why it's wanted a

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patent. Maybe it's like a steak.

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The ground, check the box,
exactly, check the box. And I

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and when we developed this
thing, I was like, Man, I think

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this is an opportunity to get a
patent. And I looked it up. Oh,

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my God, it's expensive and time
consuming, yes, but

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the enemy of art is the

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limitations. So, and I had
limitations, right? So what did

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I do? I found a way that there
are, there's lawyers that do pro

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bono work, that do patent work
for like pharmaceutical

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companies or whatever. So I went
on a website called NC, leap.org

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and you tie up in, you know, how
old you are, how much what your

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income is, what you're doing,
and then they'll say, oh, you

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can't afford a patent attorney,
so we're gonna give you one.

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Wow. So literally, this guy
named Mark, awesome dude, walked

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us through the whole thing, and
I did a, don't get me wrong, I

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did a lot of work, but he did
the really complicated stuff,

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and it bypassed the 10 to
$20,000

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legal fee, and it was just a
couple 100 bucks to file. And I

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had to learn how to petition. I
had to learn how to go back and

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like, we were rejected had, I
had to learn how the process

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goes to say no. And in fact, you
guys remember the rhythm tech,

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Iron Cross crasher thing, the
Oh, the ribbon crasher, not a

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ribbon crash but it was like a
stack, but it looked like an

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Iron Cross, black symbol. You'd
recognize it anyway. The Patent

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Office said, Oh, your product's
way too close to this. And I was

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like, hmm, that's kind of weird.
As a company, sorry, called

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factory metal percussion that
was short lived. It was around

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for about five years. Okay, but
this you're saying was a rhythm

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tech product. It looks like a
rhythm tech in fact, neither

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here nor there. But in a way, I
had to learn to say, Okay,

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here's what makes us different,
and we had to lower, you know,

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less than our parameters, of our
ad, of what we're claiming we

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own, all that kind of stuff. So
I learned a lot. So I learned a

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lot. So it was a lot of fun to
learn it, and I got the damn

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patent. Yeah. How long did that
take? About a year, year and a

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half. Yeah. Because you know,
when you're watching TV late

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night and you see the picture of
the the caveman he's trying to

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carve out the wheel and says,
got an idea for Vern invention,

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yeah. And apparently, it's the
company that takes people on.

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They take their ideas. Yeah, I
can't speak to that, but I,

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fortunately, I didn't have to go
the caveman route. Yeah, yeah.

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Mcleep.org, maybe. Now, how does
this? How does

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I mean, how do you scale

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district? How do you do that's a
great quiz. How do you we do it

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all ourselves right now, man,
and we, we have been partnering

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with some people to help us with
manufacturing, because Danny

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lives in Chicago. Now. He moved
to he he's not playing anymore.

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Well, because, because he was
doing pop and rock tours, and he

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was doing also some musicals,
yeah, right, yep, yep. So he's

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not playing, yeah. So a couple
years ago, about three ish years

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ago, I came up to say, Hey,
buddy, big news. I'm having a

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kid, and I told you, you'd be
the first guy to ever sub in for

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a Delta Ray gig. He goes, Wow, I
have big news too. I'm moving to

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Chicago. I'm not doing music
anymore. I'm like, Oh, well,

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okay, gave up on me. He's doing
some software stuff. He's doing

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brilliant I mean, he's so smart,
he's such a smart dude anyway.

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So, so, you know, we're figuring
out the dance of we basically

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will build it here, and then
I'll bring it to Chicago and

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distribute through there, and we
will meet halfway in

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Indianapolis, and we're finding
manufacturers here. It's just

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wood and metal and chains. It's
not rocket science. So, but to

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answer your question, how do you
scale it? We're working on it.

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Yeah, wow. But we use, we do you
have some insights? Because you

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know a lot about business. I'm
wondering who his influences

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are. Who do you follow? You
mean, like Gary V and such,

422
00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:37,040
like, you know, because it
sounds like you probably have a

423
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,980
lot of insight in, like, a lot
of the guys I listen to Bradley,

424
00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:44,440
Gary V, we talk about music
stuff or just like,

425
00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:48,160
oh, okay, sorry, sorry. I was
like, I don't know any of those

426
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,200
drummers. I don't know Gary V.

427
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,300
Oh, man, you know, I honestly,
this is gonna sound kind of

428
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:58,840
silly. I don't listen to many of
those people. I mean, of the

429
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800
businessy people is more of like
Professor Galloway, but that's

430
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,220
more like financials and
politics. I think my North Star

431
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,340
is Walt Disney, the person, and
as a businessman, did you read

432
00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:12,120
those books? Of course, they're
fantastic, and to go for an

433
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:15,960
outlandish dream and having a
crazy idea, but you have a yin

434
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080
to your Yang. His brother Roy
was the money guy, and he was

435
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,400
like, No, we can't do this. And
so there's always that push,

436
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800
that friction, like I said
earlier, that balance. I love

437
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,120
that balance. So I don't listen
to a ton of those. I kind of

438
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,480
zoom out. What's the 30,000 foot
view? You're going like, yeah,

439
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,360
to the OGS of industry, I
suppose, industry Jim, because I

440
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:42,400
think, you know, Disney started
Rumor has it, he started Disney

441
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,460
World off of his life insurance
policy. Did you know that will

442
00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:49,120
be Disneyland? And yes, he and,
yeah, he mortgaged the house.

443
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,360
And believe you had, you know,
life insurance took out a life

444
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,240
insurance policy. I mean, it is
crazy dream. Okay, we're gonna

445
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,640
have this California real
estate. We're gonna build rides.

446
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,920
We're gonna have actors wearing
crazy out.

447
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,300
Fits. You can get cotton candy
everywhere.

448
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:06,900
Like, what are you a big fan of?
Like, Ray Kroc,

449
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:12,780
yeah, the founder. The founder,
yeah. I mean, you know, it's

450
00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:14,940
funny, the things that I've
built are kind of on the niche

451
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:18,660
side, so I don't, I have the
vision for scale, but you know,

452
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,340
the junk had the target, the
target audience, potential

453
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:26,120
audience, is very niche compared
to the post it note, compared to

454
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,240
the post it note, bingo. But I
do look at this is gonna sound

455
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,600
very silly, but I look at a
thing like the Duck Dynasty,

456
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,260
right? It's not my thing, but I
look at that, I go, okay, these

457
00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:39,560
guys make duck calls, but they
are ubiquitous brand at freaking

458
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,060
gas stations. I want to make
bald man a ubiquitous brand.

459
00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:47,200
Maybe people don't know that the
bald men started as a as a

460
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,160
percussion niche thing, but here
we have, you know, a bald man.

461
00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:54,160
Bald man the pepper, salt and
pepper shaker. Bald man the

462
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,440
flamethrower. I don't know.
There's all sorts of different

463
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,280
things so, but you are thinking,
Yeah, it'll be you and Danny

464
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,020
still creating things? Sure.
Okay. Oh, yeah. So anyway, to

465
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:06,720
answer your question, you know,
the thought leaders, I have

466
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,080
nothing against it. It doesn't
really do a lot for me. I like

467
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,440
to go way far away and say, What
does somebody in a different

468
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,400
industry, like media or theme
parks, what are they doing? And

469
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,840
how can I distill that down into
something that I'm doing? That's

470
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,420
kind of what I like to Yeah.
Does your wife think

471
00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:27,920
you're crazy? Yeah? And she's
also forbidden me to start any

472
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,260
other businesses crazy energy
I'm fucking Yeah. She does.

473
00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:35,960
Yeah. During the pandemic was
not a great time for us. She was

474
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,500
like, please leave. And I got a
job picking bananas over at

475
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,340
Whole Foods, picking groceries
at Whole Foods during the

476
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:44,980
pandemic. What do you mean,
picking any stocking them? No, I

477
00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:47,140
would be like, I would do like a
shopper for somebody. They would

478
00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:50,260
tell, you know, like, like that,
yeah, shopper. I had to, I had

479
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:53,860
to get to work of sorts, yeah.
And I had to, yeah. But it got

480
00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:57,160
me out of the house, which is
good for her, yeah. And I would

481
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,620
talk to people through the mask
and everything and interesting.

482
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,720
Yeah. I spent the entire
pandemic staring into a little

483
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,340
green light on my Mac computer
trying to teach drum lessons. I

484
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,240
did that too, so hard. Oh, it's
the worst. Yeah, yeah, you and I

485
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,240
cut from the same cloth. And I,
you know, that it hit us like,

486
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,180
you know, obviously we survived,
and we're grateful for that,

487
00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,960
because we're people, people we
are and again, and, you know,

488
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,680
but also I'm grateful that it
allowed time. Can we kind of run

489
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,420
the world, so to speak, you
know, it's like, you know, we,

490
00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:29,180
nobody tells us, No, we have, we
can just get through the door,

491
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:33,380
right? And I feel like the
pandemic was very good for the

492
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:36,320
introverts of the world, who
oftentimes kind of get ignored.

493
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720
And I think it gave them a
moment like, hey, we matter too.

494
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,260
It was their time. It was their
time and, you know, and I think

495
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:48,280
as a result of that, there's now
a more understanding of people

496
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,680
that, like, Hey, I got I don't
want to go to this party. I

497
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,020
don't, and you don't have to
make up an excuse. You go like,

498
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:56,440
I'm peopled out or, you know, my
buckets overflow. And we, we

499
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,660
extroverts now, know, oh my
gosh, it's a battery. We have to

500
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,060
be sensitive to these people,
and it's like they're not being

501
00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,760
they're not being shy, they're
just, they, just, they, they've

502
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,940
had their fill. Yeah? And the
way that I must you and I, our

503
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:12,480
batteries get charged up when we
go to a group of people, yeah?

504
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,780
When introverts like my wife,
get in front of group of people,

505
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:19,140
it drains. And now we know
that's that's cool. You guys are

506
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:23,120
nice, yeah? Oh God again. And
Yang friction. Yeah, that's a

507
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,120
good thing, because, for some
reason I'm trying to change

508
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,660
this. I mean, I don't want to,
but, you know, I will. I am the

509
00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:32,960
last person at that party, sure,
because I'm talking to everyone.

510
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,920
And then the Italian goodbye is
very long. The GABA ghoul,

511
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,900
you're kissing cheeks and
saying, no, no, no, we're good.

512
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,000
And then you run into another
person, I'm gonna hit the

513
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,180
bathroom one more time. And then
you start talking. Time. And

514
00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:45,580
then you start talking to all
the people on the way that the

515
00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:47,920
Irish goodbye is the way to
that's the irish exit is the

516
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,520
best. It's the best. It'd be
like, I know that, so I'll see

517
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,400
these people tomorrow. Yeah, we
need to have like, a

518
00:28:56,020 --> 00:29:00,040
Portugal goodbye, which is just
a reasonable, I'll say hi to

519
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,760
everybody and say bye, and it's
reasonable, yes, and they're not

520
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040
close, if you have Italian in
Ireland, so that, I mean in

521
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,740
between, that would be Germany
or France. Maybe it's a French,

522
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:11,640
German Goodbye. Oh, French
goodbye. Sounds dirty somehow, I

523
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,180
don't, I don't

524
00:29:13,740 --> 00:29:16,140
think German a principal
advisory could be like, you

525
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:19,200
know, yeah, you put German in
front of anything. It sounds

526
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,620
like, it involves, like,
shizers, sure, your words. Never

527
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:25,520
mind. German shopping bag. It's
got spikes in it, and you'll

528
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,920
love it. You'll like the French.

529
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,540
The French goodbye. It sounds
French. Goodbye. The French

530
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:34,040
goodbye

531
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,520
is it's up something

532
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,220
when I teach kids about how to
like, how to French. Goodbye.

533
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:42,460
There's

534
00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:45,640
your next product idea.

535
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:50,560
Sorry, please continue. No. I
was gonna say when I teach the

536
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
kids how to do like, like an
open hi hat thing or play a

537
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,800
sloppy, loose hi hat, I just
say, pretend it's like you're on

538
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
a first date and it's like a
very link.

539
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240
Angering kiss you because you
want to angle it in such a way

540
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,880
where it's like when you strike
it, it lasts as long as

541
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,100
possible. Remind me never to
take drum lessons from

542
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,700
you. How old are these kids that
you don't usually bring that up

543
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:16,080
unless they're they've had
puberty, okay, even so, it's

544
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,040
like 1314, dude. You know what?
I like to have some of these

545
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,800
right hooks out of nowhere.

546
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600
I've never used to grow before.
Now I want to let this just

547
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:26,780
we'll

548
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,600
just edit it out the French
goodbye. Anyways, so you make,

549
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
yeah, I mean, you're in this
groundbreaking band. You got

550
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,660
Kickstarter history, you got the
successful company you're

551
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:41,500
running. You're growing, you're
expanding. You got the patent.

552
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:45,760
Now tell me about the drum team
collective, and we had a meeting

553
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,180
about this, because I want to, I
want to be somehow in the mix,

554
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
yes, and I admire the hell out
of you rich, because I've seen

555
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,680
what you do in the corporate
speaking world, and it's really

556
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440
incredible. It's very, very
awesome. And I may or may not

557
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,180
have lifted a few of your
liftings. I lift all day anyway.

558
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,400
So the same year that I launched
bald man. So when delta Ray was

559
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:12,180
on tour, we would do some radio
tours where grant the bass

560
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:15,660
player and I would not go. We
were all the Musketeers all for

561
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:18,840
one one for all the time, but
with a country when it came to

562
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,820
radio, well, they just didn't
have the bike. We were like,

563
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,880
Let's go. I'll play with you
guys. We'll play. We're a band.

564
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,040
But they're like, No, we're just
doing the singers. That's just

565
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,220
how this thing works. So I had
about six weeks off the road,

566
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,040
which has never happened before,
yeah, and I got bored, so I

567
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,560
started two companies that are
still running today. It's great.

568
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,280
And, long

569
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,660
story short, with drum team
collective, I got a cold call

570
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:42,400
from somebody saying, Hey, I saw
your ad on Craigslist for

571
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,600
teaching drums. You seem like
you could do a corporate thing,

572
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,180
and we're looking for a team
building event, like a drum

573
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:52,240
circle, but not what can you do?
And I said, I don't know what

574
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,180
team building is, and I know I
don't like drum circles, so give

575
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:57,640
me an hour. Let me think of
something. Yeah, so I was just

576
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,920
driving, and I was like, Oh,
what if I take a drum set and

577
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,120
explode it into a semicircle and
teach drums the way that I teach

578
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000
a kid playing drum set with your
kick drum. Cool. Here's your

579
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
snare drum. You're high. Let's
put them all together. What if?

580
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,960
What if we just do that one at a
time for adults and say, okay,

581
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,660
these three people are playing
the kick drum pattern. These

582
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,200
three people are playing the
snare drum and the cymbals and

583
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,680
tom toms and so on. And it
worked. And so you get some

584
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
people going. I got some people
playing eighth notes, and I got

585
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,780
some people playing just two in
the four. And I have people

586
00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:33,860
doing four on the floor or just
boom, boom in the air on actual

587
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:36,620
drums. Oh, they got all drum
sets. Oh, yeah, when you see a

588
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:40,480
drum team event, it is put that
anywhere hundreds of drums. Oh,

589
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,120
my God, a big ball. We just had
one an event for Glassdoor with

590
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,180
145

591
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,820
people, and I own truckloads of
drums. Shout out the Ludwig,

592
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,740
really? Yeah. So what language?
A bucket, like a plastic bucket

593
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,260
like this is rock and roll team
building. I'm teaching people to

594
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:59,680
play real drums with a real
band. And so what happens is,

595
00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,280
they're playing parts of the
drum set. And they go, oh my

596
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:05,520
goodness, I'm playing a drum
groove with Kyle from accounting

597
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,240
and Stacy from HR. This is so
fun. And then a professional

598
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,960
rock band kicks in live, playing
great rock and roll with down,

599
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,300
playing with them, playing the
part. So here comes back in

600
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:19,860
black, here comes back in black,
and it's a beautiful chaos. And

601
00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:23,120
I tell the my band. They're
like, Hey guys, this will not be

602
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,720
musically satisfying. However,
we are empowering people to

603
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,540
learn to play music together,
and we're going to break that

604
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:32,420
fourth wall. They're going to be
in the band, and we're going to

605
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,180
have a musical Q, a, music
industry, Q, a afterwards, yeah,

606
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,520
all that stuff now, but the
band, I wonder if they're on,

607
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,960
are they? Are they on ears? New,
God, no, okay. We're raw,

608
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,220
dogging it, man. And then, like,
literally, these in Accounting

609
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:48,460
has been working out, and she's
got such a lead foot, but she's

610
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:51,520
rushing her brains out. And then
is there somebody on cowbell?

611
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,020
Will Ferrell with you guys? I
mean,

612
00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:57,700
rich, rich, these drums are
muffled very well. Oh, they're

613
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,440
muffled. They're muffled very
well. So they're making noise,

614
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,460
but barely. And then, then I had
my drum kit, so I'll jump behind

615
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:08,640
the drum kit, and we're glued.
And you are not muffled. I'm not

616
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,160
muffled, yeah, the mike McKey
story and

617
00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:17,400
story actually not muffled. No
muffling alone. Muffled. Muffle

618
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,860
is 0% muffle anywho,

619
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,500
yeah. So it's like this chaos of
sound, but, but it's like real

620
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:28,040
drums and boom, bah, boom, boom,
boom, bah, boom. And if one

621
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,260
person messes up, it doesn't
matter. But the point is,

622
00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:32,720
they're having fun. They're
playing groovy together. And

623
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,200
then we'll they'll say, Well,
Great job everybody. And we'll

624
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,900
say, Hey guys, you know what I
noticed was your company, your

625
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:45,760
core values include
accountability and, you know,

626
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,580
teamwork. Well, guess what?
Those are the same core values

627
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:52,000
that any successful rock band
has. And here's how. And we talk

628
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,700
about that for a little bit, and
then they stand up, pick a new

629
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:57,040
station, and they're high five,
and they got their drumsticks,

630
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:59,080
and we play a new batch of
songs. And we do that a few

631
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,920
times. We'll talk.

632
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Little bit of a break. And this
is one hour, hour, hour and a

633
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,180
half ballpark, yes. And then,
then it'll be, well, hey guys,

634
00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:12,000
let's break the fourth wall
music industry. Q and A, what's

635
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,520
it like to tour? What's it like
to play on late night? What's

636
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,220
Spotify all about? What's that
whole Taylor Swift thing all

637
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:19,680
about? Yeah, and we can answer
those questions. So you've,

638
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,480
you've included the company's
cultural bullet points and all

639
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,900
that. They've had fun. They see
how being in part of a team, it

640
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,420
all fits together. And then they
get to do the Q and A you

641
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:31,820
probably go home with some
drumsticks, lanyard and

642
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:34,160
drumsticks, and they feel
empowered. They got to play

643
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,620
music together. And you know,
what's really cool is there was

644
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:42,460
a small company called Pfizer.
It's a pharmaceutical company so

645
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:46,480
small, so small. They were one
of my clients. And about a month

646
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,120
afterwards, I got an email back
from the guy that booked it.

647
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,880
They were up in New York, this
team and the sales team. And he

648
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520
goes, Mike, I've got to tell
you, by the way, we changed the

649
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,580
name of this internal team to
the yes, if team based on the

650
00:35:57,580 --> 00:36:00,940
program, and this little bit of
a little bit that we do, he

651
00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:03,180
goes, we changed the name of our
internal team to the yes, if

652
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:08,040
team yes, if instead of yes and
instead of No, because, ah, so

653
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,700
it's a play on yes and yeah. But
if you say, let's say a teammate

654
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,600
has an idea,

655
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:19,560
and the easiest thing to say is
no, because there's always a no,

656
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,180
because, but if you're in a band
with somebody, or in a team with

657
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,820
somebody, they're there for a
reason. There's a trusted worker

658
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:28,760
or bandmate, yeah, and they have
a voice at the table. So if we

659
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,800
say, Okay, well yes, if you can
prove the ROI, yes, if you can

660
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520
take that idea over across the
finish line, I know yes, if you

661
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,920
feel passionate about it, and
can better convey that to me,

662
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,380
because I didn't get it the
first time. So it's just letting

663
00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:44,620
ideas happen. Letting ideas have
a chance. That's kind of the

664
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:48,340
that's the thesis there. Now,
how many drum team building

665
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:51,940
members is in an event, members
being the participant, like

666
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:54,820
that, like, like, so you're,
you're on the real drum kit, but

667
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:58,060
then don't you have some help,
help with some other drum type?

668
00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,480
Yeah, depending on the size of
the event, I will have, usually

669
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,260
a singer who's on wireless
running around, another person

670
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:06,720
running around doing hype work,
and people dancing around.

671
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,480
Because if you have a cowbell,
and if you're a cowbell arena

672
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,180
playing tambourine, you're gonna
be dancing around the aisles and

673
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:15,540
having fun. But we have a guitar
player, bass player, Yeah,

674
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,200
amazing. Thanks. That's a great
thing. I appreciate a giant rock

675
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,280
band with lots of drums now the
person, Stacy from accounting,

676
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,460
who's playing the Hi Hat Part,
she's playing on a real hi hat.

677
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:28,460
Yeah, do you just tape that up?
I did a little bit of tape.

678
00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:30,860
Yeah, little tape, a little bit
of tape. Gotta have your gaff

679
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:33,020
tape. What I tell you, kids,
it's part of your gear. You

680
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:37,460
gotta have gaff tape. Lug locks,
WD, 40 extra sticks, extras,

681
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:41,020
crash cymbals, pliers, the
stuff. Bring everything with you

682
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,480
all the time, no matter what you
got to be a boy scout or a Girl

683
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,500
Scout, totally French. Goodbye.
It's not Is he not impressive.

684
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,200
He's doing all the things. For
the first time in my life, I met

685
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,560
somebody who's got more energy
than you. He actually has more

686
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,560
energy than me. I know it's
incredible. It's amazing. I need

687
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,640
to channel it. No muffles. No
muffle lists. Muffle this,

688
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,300
right? Did you guys see that
movie? The substance with Demi

689
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:07,020
Moore? It's like a that sounds
it's weird. I saw it all the way

690
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:09,540
through. I It's like, I can't
bring myself. Is that a big deal

691
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:11,280
for you to see some a movie all
the way through?

692
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,020
Because it does get weird. You
can abandon it. You can abandon

693
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,600
and be like, oh, you know, but,
but there is a payoff chip.

694
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:21,560
Okay? Yes, sir. Body horror.
It's a body horror film. You

695
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:25,640
know what I watched least
recently was, uh, death of a

696
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,560
unicorn. Have you seen that? Um,
it was, it's on my stuff,

697
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,620
whatever it's like, yeah, my
stuff. Or it's a unique movie.

698
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:36,260
It's actually, for the first
time in a while, Hollywood put

699
00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:39,260
it, put out something that kept
you guessing. I went to go see a

700
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:43,240
horror film. It's a, it's a
horror comedy. I love that can

701
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:47,020
be tough. Oh. Paul Rudd, okay.
Paul Rudd, yeah, it's on my

702
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:50,080
list. So is it a good ending? I
thought it was, okay, good,

703
00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:51,280
yeah. Was it worth your $5.99

704
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:56,800
I didn't buy it. It's free. It's
free on, I want to say prime HBO

705
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,260
max or something. See, that
happens? See, I put the stuff on

706
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:02,500
my list, and at one point it's
1999 that a week later is 1299

707
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:05,820
is 1299 then two weeks later,
it's 599 then it comes, then

708
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:08,880
it's free. You gotta wait. You
gotta you gotta be patient. So

709
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,940
Jim knows I'm a horror fan. I
didn't know you were, cause I am

710
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:14,880
very much too, very much a
horror fan. And I went to go see

711
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,540
there's a new,

712
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:24,920
new film by Dave Franco and the
girl, his real life wife, Alison

713
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,780
Brie, and it's called, she's
cute. It's totally cute. And

714
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:32,840
it's called together. And I
enjoyed the whole thing, and

715
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,420
there's a lot of guessing going
on, and then you can kind of see

716
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,000
the ending coming. And I was
like, it's always so

717
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,140
dissatisfying when the whole
thing is a good ride, but then

718
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:45,160
the ending, it blows the whole
thing. Well, it's, it's, it's

719
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,040
tough to do a horror movie. I'm
a jaded I'm a jaded horror

720
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,720
viewer, because very rarely do
you not see it coming. And are

721
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,780
you completely satisfied, like a
great meal, where you're like,

722
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,440
I've got my steak, got my
asparagus, I've got my red wine.

723
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,920
This.

724
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,020
Perfect. This last night was a
steak and half a thing of

725
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:05,220
asparagus, no wine.

726
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:10,920
Got it or like, like, liquefied
mashed potatoes. Oh, yeah, like,

727
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,280
an acid powdered mashed
potatoes. Yeah. So what's your

728
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,820
Mount Everest horror? Oh, I
could, I could answer that. Go,

729
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,200
alien, wonderful. Well, yeah, no
one can hear you scream in

730
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480
space. That's my favorite film
of all time, okay? But as far

731
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,180
as, like, the one of the most
scary films that will never stop

732
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:29,180
scaring you, The Exorcist,
terrific. Why does it keep

733
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:33,020
scaring you? It's so odd. It's
so it's something to think about

734
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:35,960
the exorcist. Like, scary, but
it's, there's, there's something

735
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,500
a little bit like, this is too
real, or like, it could actually

736
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,920
happen because it did. It's
really crazy. Yeah, yeah.

737
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,460
There's actually a film out
right now that is. It's like,

738
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:48,820
this is what the Exorcist was
based on, yeah, and people died

739
00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:52,420
making the film. Yeah, it's a
little little bit strange, yeah,

740
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,360
Passion of the Christ. Look at
the story of Jim Caviezel. Oh,

741
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,700
yeah. And the stuff he went
through stuff after, after he

742
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:00,600
played Jesus. Oh, just during
filming the film. Oh, I didn't

743
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
know about, yeah, what happened?
Oh, just stuff like, you know,

744
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,780
he was struck by lightning,
stuff like that, yeah. Oh, my

745
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:11,040
God, a bunch of stuff, yep, Oh,
yep. Oh, my God, I'm waiting for

746
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,360
the sequel of that one two. It
is Electric Boogaloo. I think

747
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,180
they actually do have one in the
works. Oh, wow, after his

748
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:22,640
resurrection, that's crazy. Jim,
you're actually a little quiet

749
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,520
today. I'm just, there's so much
energy that's something that's

750
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,280
gonna it's insane energy. And
then one of the things that I'm

751
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,740
just trying not to, you know,
he's like, never when Kenny

752
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:32,720
Aronoff and I ever, oh, good,
great.

753
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,480
That's too much for me. I read
the room, man, he found a Kenny

754
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,980
found out that he can swear. He
goes, we could swear on this

755
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:44,980
fucking thing. And then he just
opened up the floodgates. How

756
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:48,820
about that? Yeah, yeah. I gotta
say, one of the things I wanted

757
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:52,000
to kind of bring up was my
family and I have been watching

758
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,200
this YouTuber called Ryan. His
name is Ryan Trahan, yeah. And

759
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,120
he's got like, probably 22
million followers. He's one of

760
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,840
these guys, great, wholesome
guy, you know, he's probably 25

761
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,260
years old, married his wife for
five years. I mean, they got

762
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:10,680
married young. They just
finished, I think I was telling

763
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,460
you about this the other

764
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:17,340
night, 50 states in 50 days at
the coolest Airbnbs. And

765
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200
they just are driving. They just
wrapped they drove everywhere

766
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,980
except for Alaska, California
and Hawaii, and they wrote the

767
00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:28,220
he, his intention was to raise a
million dollars for St Jude, Oh,

768
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:28,820
wow.

769
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,940
3 million, $11 million yeah,
wow. We gotta get we gotta give

770
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:39,320
them a shout out, because that's
that's noble. So No, and people

771
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
were donating, but that, but he
had to make it to the new

772
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,220
Airbnb, Airbnb, and they had all
sorts of challenges. Had this

773
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:49,720
thing called the The Wheel of
doom. So if somebody donated

774
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:50,200
over $50,000

775
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:54,280
they would have to spin the
Wheel of doom. Yeah, and on the

776
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,740
wheel of Doom was like, Hey, you
got to go through the next 24

777
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,680
hours without coffee, or you got
to wear your pajamas for the

778
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,060
entire day, or you got to split
up and find your way to the next

779
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:06,240
Airbnb, and they hated that. Or
they can get a golden ticket

780
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,600
that forgave them for the next,
you know, it's more of a wheel

781
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,900
of inconvenience, pretty much.
Oh, wow, yeah. They gamified it.

782
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:16,080
They gamified it. And, you know,
say, Hey, if you, if you follow

783
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,300
us on YouTube and on Instagram,
we'll give you a, you know,

784
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:22,940
we'll donate a penny to the
cause. They raised like 100

785
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,120
grand in Bennies with people
that followed them. That's

786
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
amazing. That's crazy, right?
And he's got his own candy

787
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,840
company. It's called Joy Ride.
Wow. Shout out. Joy Ride. Oh.

788
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,900
It's gonna be hard to take on
the big boys at Mars. They're in

789
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,600
every guy, yeah, I got a guy.
But you know what last night I

790
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,780
did? I felt guilty afterwards. I
in lieu of dinner, I had the bag

791
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,140
of peanut butter. M M's. Love is
that your go to

792
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,660
peanut butter or peanut and an M
M's, peanut or peanut butter.

793
00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:55,480
These were peanut butter just to
Reese's Pieces, Reese's Peanut

794
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,020
Butter Cups. Too small. Now,
pretty small pieces, but peanut

795
00:43:59,020 --> 00:44:02,760
butter cups. Oh yeah. I like
that. I like the Eminem brand.

796
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:06,360
I'm totally loyalist. I like the
red, yellow, yellow, number

797
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,040
five, red chemicals. Oh, yes,
maybe the man you are today,

798
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,400
Robert Kennedy, would hate it.
He would Maha

799
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:18,840
make America healthy, healthy
again, okay, yeah. Well, hey, if

800
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,260
he gets if he makes our food
like Europe. That'd be great.

801
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:24,680
All we have to do is get rid of,
good luck with this, but get rid

802
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,740
of all the high fructose corn
syrup. Oh, man. I mean, that's

803
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,000
the hugest industry right there.
I know there's impossible. Mike

804
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,760
Tarana. I mean, the guy's in
great shape. He eats bread and

805
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,240
pasta.

806
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:41,680
Well, I'm sure he eats some,
some some protein, maybe mostly

807
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,800
peanut butter, M M's, I think
that's right, yeah, Italian

808
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,680
made. I felt guilty about that
one. But anyways, on the couch

809
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,640
last night, I had my mixture of,
like, I'm starting to feel like

810
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,060
Jim cottage cheese and Greek
yogurt. You know, you mix it up

811
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:57,640
and put some local honey on it,
and you're just, it's just like

812
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,920
a protein Power Pack. That's my
bread.

813
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:02,940
Breakfast? Yeah, I've been doing
cottage cheese with sliced

814
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:06,360
almonds and honey. That's
fantastic, Jim, but yeah, get

815
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,260
some, get an egg in there too.
You think so? Not in it, but on

816
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:13,800
the side, raw, not the rocky
style, yeah, rocky style.

817
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:14,760
Salmonella,

818
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,440
raw eggs. You're in good shape,
though, yeah. What are you

819
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,960
doing? I wear a girdle,

820
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,300
full body.

821
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:25,940
That's amazing. Yeah. But do

822
00:45:28,460 --> 00:45:32,060
you have like a, like a thing to
get out and, like, get get your

823
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:35,480
son working along? Well, I
appreciate I've been not. I

824
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,540
mean, I miss best part of the
road that I miss very much,

825
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:41,620
because as drummers to free
time. Well, actually, so drum we

826
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,020
never, I never had drum techs or
anything like that. So I would

827
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:46,300
set up everything. We're pushing
all the gear from the trailer,

828
00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:50,020
setting up for the show, playing
the show, tear down, pushing

829
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:53,080
out, and then on every day off
go work out in the hotel. So I

830
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,380
was exercising every single day.
And then now that I'm not

831
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:59,260
touring right now, I'm like, Oh
my gosh, I feel it. So try to,

832
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,340
try to, you know, I break a
sweat every day, is the goal?

833
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:05,100
Yes, get sweaty every day, even
if you go for a walk around

834
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,860
neighborhood. And right now, you
can just step outside and you're

835
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:13,200
sweaty, guys. Wait, this is
like, hot? Is it always been the

836
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,800
time entire country is on fire.
I mean, I've been here 28 years.

837
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,320
It's insane. Yeah, it's in the
90s. It's

838
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:24,140
supposed to break I think this
weekend. Yeah, great. Well, that

839
00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:26,960
when, when this airs is not
that's not gonna matter. See, I

840
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,380
love time of this record, the
time of this recording. I love

841
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:34,700
layering. So like, you know,
October, November is, like,

842
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:38,060
awesome time. I'm wearing long
underwear right now. Like I

843
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:41,440
said, total girdle. I was gonna
mention that, you have to wear

844
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,280
pants over them. I am miserable
right now. Oh, my God. Hey. So

845
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,180
do you have advice for somebody
who wants to start a business

846
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:52,480
and see it through? Because
you've done that very

847
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,220
successfully, get your head
checked.

848
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,580
Well, I appreciate you saying
that. I don't think I've been

849
00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:01,680
very successful with it, but I
would say to them, is a

850
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,720
marathon, not a sprint. And I
would say, talk to everybody.

851
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:11,460
There are no dumb questions. Ask
the dumb questions and and find

852
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:14,940
these, not even mentors, just
people that are like that are

853
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:18,120
outside of your comfort zone.
Find that yin to your yay. Yeah,

854
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,720
you know, find people that and
have people poke holes in your

855
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,120
idea. That's a very important
thing of like finding people

856
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,420
that will say, here's why it's
not going to work, and then have

857
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:30,080
a response to those, but in but,
but relish in that friction, you

858
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,360
know? And that's what makes
things work, in my opinion.

859
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Yeah, yeah, friction. That's
great advice. And

860
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:41,080
entrepreneurialism aside, what
about you as a musician? Did you

861
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,620
come from musical family? When
did you start? Who was the

862
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:47,740
catalyst? Was a Ringo? Was it
Stuart? Was it Alex Van Halen?

863
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:51,400
Who was it? So my parents are
both professional musicians. My

864
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,800
dad just retired from the
collegiate world. He was a

865
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:57,220
pedagogy and musicologist over
at Campbell University. Oh, my

866
00:47:57,220 --> 00:48:00,040
God, where's that? It's North
Carolina. Oh, gotcha. And my mom

867
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
is still teaching some, but
they, you know, from 50 students

868
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,040
a week down to, you know,
they're kind of trying to,

869
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,880
trying to retire.

870
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,120
And so I grew up with John,
Paul, George and Ringo, Matthew

871
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,600
Mark, Luke and John and
classical music, wow. So that

872
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,260
was my entire upbringing. And, I
mean, we'd be at the dinner

873
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:21,920
table. Name that composer, name
that time period is this

874
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,020
Baroque, this pre Baroque. What
makes it Baroque, you know? Oh,

875
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,740
so you probably did really great
music history class. I did drop

876
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:31,040
the needle. Oh, yeah, yeah, no,
I just dropped my dad's name, Dr

877
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,980
McKey. Oh, you went to the same
school that he taught at. Well,

878
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:38,300
I got free tuition there, which
was very nice, anywho. But so, I

879
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,440
mean, piano was played 24/7 at
my house. So I was just, you

880
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,460
know, complete indoctrinated
that way. Got a little bit older

881
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:48,100
and discovered rock and roll
music in particular. Started

882
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:51,820
listening to heavy music and
realizing how cool the

883
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:55,300
similarities between heavy music
progressive music, like heavy

884
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:59,380
metal instead, like a helmet and
like, yeah, raging as machine.

885
00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:03,840
I'm a 90s kid, yeah. And then
realizing, Oh my gosh. And even

886
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,660
though, especially with Dream
Theater, that stuff is classical

887
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:09,960
music, it's straight up. Is
straight up. My thesis is, if

888
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,320
Beethoven Bach or kmonoff
Tchaikovsky, if they were all

889
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,320
around today, they would be
making progressive music, I

890
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,740
think, like what it was, that's
what it was, exactly. Yeah,

891
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:23,600
that's heavy. That is heavy.

892
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:29,480
It's dope here. So I am one of
four boys in the family, and all

893
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,900
of us are musicals. We played in
bands together, and most of us

894
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,660
are doing it professionally.
Still to this day, you have bro.

895
00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:39,740
Did you say brothers? Yeah, and
we all play, yeah, wow, yep. My

896
00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:42,700
brother is my youngest, youngest
brother. He's 10 years younger

897
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,100
than me. He and his wife just
moved to Nashville. They're in a

898
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,460
band called waking April. It's
like a electro pop, synth pop

899
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,580
duo band, nice and really
awesome. Y'all check them out.

900
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:54,220
They're on Spotify and all that
good stuff. Waking April. And

901
00:49:54,220 --> 00:49:57,160
then my brother Mark is a
producer out in LA and he works

902
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,920
with a ton of artists. In fact,
he was, he did.

903
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,940
Thing with Jason Aldean a while
back in Florida a few months

904
00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:08,340
ago, with an artist, oh, the
private corporate show. And then

905
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:12,360
my older brother Adam is in the
tech space, but it all revolves

906
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,980
around music tech things. Wow,
dude, you gave me a great idea.

907
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,820
I know Mike Toronto. Does it.
Mike is like, a he's like, he

908
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:23,540
did a lot of the artists on
shrapnel records and stuff. And

909
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:26,300
he lived in United States. He's
got, he's got a giant Mohawk,

910
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:31,520
but he moved to Sardinia, Italy,
and he does, does plays a lot of

911
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,660
classical music with the drum.
There's not a lot of clinicians

912
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,980
that are doing that. He built
himself a respectable social

913
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:43,600
media following very respectable
the 60s. Yeah, muscular guy

914
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,120
keeps himself in shape, and he
No. But I mean, the idea of

915
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,560
doing incorporating one
classical piece and playing drum

916
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,340
kit on top of it into my
clinics, I think that'd be fun

917
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,340
to do it. That could be really
cool. Yeah, and what that would

918
00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:00,400
do, I could show the chart,
well, what that could do is show

919
00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:03,360
that music is so universal, I
think it's all big. One

920
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,940
umbrella, all cross pollinating,
cross pollinating. But if you

921
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:09,960
can take a modern element, like
a drum kit, which is like, to

922
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,540
me, the epitome of a modern
American instrument, only 100

923
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,060
years old, well here's why I
like the drum set, because the

924
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:18,120
story kind of goes, this is what
I've been told, is that the drum

925
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,600
set kind of started in New
Orleans. They would have these

926
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,300
street drummers with one person
playing bass drum, one person

927
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,820
doing cymbals, and they wanted
to keep the party going on the

928
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:28,940
river boat. So they got all
these, but they couldn't fit all

929
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:31,400
these drummers on a river boat
in the corner. So one guy was

930
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,620
like, well, I'll just play the
bass drum with my foot. And it

931
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:36,620
was just out of necessity. Yes,
that this drum set, again, the

932
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:38,900
enemy of art is the absence of
limitations. They had

933
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:42,520
limitations. Great things came
from that, right? And so the

934
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,100
drum set evolved from that. But
it's such an American

935
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:49,180
instrument, because Chinese tom
toms, Turkish cymbals, English

936
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:52,480
snare drums, European bass
drums, yeah. And then it's kind

937
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,060
of made in this awesome melting
pot in America. I think I tell

938
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:58,480
everybody, it's the nut, it's
been, it's the Benetton of

939
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,660
musical instruments. You know
what? I mean? It's basically,

940
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:04,920
it's incredibly multicultural.
But the other theory is, is that

941
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,880
maybe there was a vaudeville or
a silent film thing, and then

942
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,160
one guy, the symbol player,
couldn't come and so then they

943
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,880
invented the low boy, sure,
yeah. And then they're like, All

944
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,740
right, we can pay one guy for
three jobs more like

945
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:25,460
a man, we're gonna get no touch
up, change. Yeah. Now, the other

946
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:28,220
thing that I that people, I
don't know if they know about

947
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:32,360
you, but you also have an
affinity for cigars. I do enjoy

948
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,720
the cigars. Yes, cigars. And we
have a great cigar bar here

949
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:39,680
called the mission cigar lounge.
And it's, what's, what's the one

950
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:43,540
that we on the Abbey in East
Nashville, smoker, Abbey, so far

951
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:48,340
away. You're in Alabama. It's
insane. Yeah, I really, I'm on

952
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:51,940
bunk bang. I mean, where am I in
North Alabama? Oh, you're nuts.

953
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,120
Okay, I've been down here for 20
years inside North Alabama.

954
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,220
Actually, I'm so I'm so used to
it now because I don't have to

955
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:03,900
go into Nashville every day.
Now, do you have a studio here?

956
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:06,480
I'm going okay, because I bought
a house here, so I have my place

957
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,980
is going to be 2020 by 21 with
12 foot ceilings, so it's going

958
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:13,740
to be gorgeous. But I want to
make sure that I do the build

959
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:19,080
out all in one fell swoop, and I
want to be here and not on tour,

960
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,660
because I'm only in town. Now,
48 hours a week. 48 hours. 48 to

961
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:27,200
72 hours a week. Now until
November. Oh, wow, yeah. This is

962
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,320
a very special time. This is our
this is why Jim and I go. Let's

963
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,340
do two podcasts,

964
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:36,080
right? Yeah. So this, this week
buys us a month of podcasts, so

965
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080
if you're listening to this, but
anyways, yeah, so that we have a

966
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:43,240
it's great. We can, you can go
to the cigar lounge. Do your

967
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,540
thing. Walk out. You don't smell
that bad, because the smoke

968
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:50,860
eaters are the best. And this is
the one in town here. It's like

969
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,740
a mile giving a shout out what's
called, again, the mission cigar

970
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:57,100
lounge. All right, yeah, good
one. John spittle, he likes to

971
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:00,100
hang that. Yeah, no. John
spittle, my buddy Jr McNealy,

972
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:03,900
who was a tracking engineer 25
years ago, I would meet on like

973
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,500
at the at all these studios
around town now, he just mixes,

974
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,900
which is great, you know, stay
at home. You can mix in your

975
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,140
underwear. I always do, you know
what I mean? My thing is, I'm

976
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:15,840
such a fashion hound. People are
like, people are like, Hey, you

977
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,320
could just like, track in your
underwear. I like to get

978
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,500
dressed, even if I stay at the
house. I think people would hear

979
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
it. They're like, this song is
not working. I think was rich,

980
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,100
naked, yes, is he wearing cargo
pants or skinny jeans? Sounds

981
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,800
like he got too comfortable with
this one. There's not enough

982
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,500
tension. Yeah, that's right.
That's right. Again, that

983
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,800
friction. Let's get some
uncomfortable pantaloons on this

984
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,860
guy whose creativity exists in
limitless, limited environments.

985
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,320
Almost had it. It was almost
there. What is your favorite? Do

986
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,080
you have a like, you've been
here five years? Do you have a

987
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,460
favorite restaurant in town? I
love to cook at home. Man, I

988
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:56,680
love so you do the cooking. Oh,
yeah. Is it a modern,

989
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,800
cosmopolitan relationship like
that, where your wife is like.

990
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,920
I'll clean and you cook, or I
think is more of I'm good at it,

991
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,800
and I like to do it. See that I
like the barbecue. And such a

992
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,440
sexist thing to say, wasn't it?
Jim, I really showing my age.

993
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,500
You can edit that out. I was
like, Oh, it's a reverse

994
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:17,700
relationship where you're doing
the cooking. So crazy. What's

995
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:19,800
What's wrong with being
shopping? I'm trying to being

996
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,440
sexy, sexist,

997
00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:26,600
so what restaurants I love, and
Donaldson, Jalisco, there's

998
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,600
always so Danny, my bald man
partner, he knows all the RAD

999
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,940
restaurants around town. So when
I moved here, he showed me some

1000
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:35,360
cool spots. But any kind of
ethnic food, like there's some

1001
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,940
great pho restaurants around
town. We used to live in Antioch

1002
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:42,280
and man the, I mean, the
Vietnamese food there. So I

1003
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,100
don't really do Vietnamese a
lot. King the kid, it's called

1004
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:48,220
the King market, and Antioch is
a grocery store. When you walk

1005
00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:52,000
in the back, it's a very small
Thai and Vietnamese, really,

1006
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,580
yeah, was so good, and you never
got food poisoning. Oh,

1007
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:58,540
constantly. But it tasted great.
That's amazing. Yeah, vomit

1008
00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:03,900
violently. Okay, so, okay, so,
so you love Pho and Thai and

1009
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:08,580
sushi, oh yeah, celebrate all
that. So absolutely, absolutely,

1010
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,780
what is your favorite drink? My
favorite drink? I'm a cocktail

1011
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:19,020
hound, but I honestly right
these days, just whiskey, neat,

1012
00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:23,240
I think is really great,
depending on me, my buddies go

1013
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,300
to Kentucky. We go to Louisville
a couple times a year, and we go

1014
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:28,760
on the Bourbon Trail. We go to
these tastings and everything

1015
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:32,360
like that. It's kind of like the
kind of like sideways, like a

1016
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,280
wine tasting, wine country, but
in Kentucky, more or less, yeah,

1017
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,840
that was a lot of fun. And is
this great, great, time out with

1018
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,560
the guys doing that. But I look,
I love to make old fashions at

1019
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,700
home with, like, a little smoker
thing, smoke fashions. I think,

1020
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:51,820
I think a smoked old fashioned,
that's my, my staple. I like

1021
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:54,700
that. A good, a good old
fashioned is, did we have one

1022
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,220
the other day? Breakfast? I've
never breakfast of champions.

1023
00:56:57,820 --> 00:57:01,680
I've been a big IPA guy. Had you
had home style the other day

1024
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,440
from Bearded Iris. Yeah, that's
a great beer. Great beer. Yeah,

1025
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,960
Jim and I are always at the
brick tops. We it just works for

1026
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,600
everything. So I'm from North
Carolina, and North Carolina

1027
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,840
beer situation is really good,
yeah, so coming over here, I

1028
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,300
think one reason I switched over
to whiskey, because the whiskey

1029
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,360
situation in Tennessee's a lot
better, but just the breweries

1030
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,900
just couldn't keep up. But there
are some great breweries in

1031
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,140
Nashville, including new heights
is my favorite. New Heights is

1032
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:27,140
good. Rick was that barricade is
good. I don't know that one down

1033
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:28,220
by the stadium, okay?

1034
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Mill Creek isn't bad. That's
good. Marble Fox is great. And

1035
00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:34,940
what's the one that does the
Peter Martin jelly, peanut

1036
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,180
butter and jelly? That's
tailgate. Actually, there's a

1037
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:42,220
better one. Zul brewing in
Knoxville. Oh, X, you will,

1038
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,100
okay, this thing tastes like a
peanut butter and why not just

1039
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:47,500
eat a peanut butter and jelly
sandwich? I can't get over the

1040
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:50,620
whole food beer thing. I might
just eat a sandwich and have a

1041
00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:54,280
beer. So this is more fun as a
beer. You need a freaking knife

1042
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,220
and a fork to drink that beer.
It's, it's we learned something

1043
00:57:57,220 --> 00:58:00,880
about rich. He's on the couch
with his peanut butter. M, M's,

1044
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,060
right. So we No, no, I was at
the movie theater,

1045
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,300
but I might as well been on the
couch. Might have been on the

1046
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:09,900
couch, yeah, yeah, but no, but
on the couch later that night, I

1047
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:13,140
had the protein. What? It was
okay, because I felt guilty.

1048
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,880
Yeah, they're having M M's for
dinner. Now, who would be your

1049
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,140
favorite drummer? Who are the
catalyst guys? Well, you said

1050
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:24,500
Ringo. I didn't say Ringo, but
you said Matt. No, I said Matt

1051
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,260
Chamberlain's my number one. We
said, John, George, Paul. Oh,

1052
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:29,240
that was how I grew up with
listening to The Beatles.

1053
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Gotcha, yeah, but no, I'm a
Ringo aficionado. I will defend

1054
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,360
Ringo to the death me too.
Thankfully, there's less Ringo

1055
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,940
bashing than there was. I think
people are getting wise, and

1056
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:40,240
they're hearing the isolated
recordings. Guys, there's some

1057
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:45,760
audio out where they pan over
and you just hear Paul and Ringo

1058
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,460
playing together. Is just like
these isolated tracks I love to

1059
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:51,760
hear. Oh, it's so slinky. Oh,
it's awesome, if you ever like I

1060
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,400
don't know about Ringo. Listen
to this isolated tracks, man.

1061
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,240
I'll just never forget when Greg
Bissonette said, isolate any

1062
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,360
Beatles song with the drums, and
you'll tell what song it is just

1063
00:59:01,420 --> 00:59:04,200
from the drum track, hook, hook,
hook, hook, hook. It's not just

1064
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,180
time. It's ideas and orchestral
parts, yeah. And that's, I mean,

1065
00:59:09,180 --> 00:59:13,260
I, my delta Ray career has been
stealing from Ringo, like, Let's

1066
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,740
do parts time. There's, like,
maybe five adult Ray songs. It's

1067
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:20,300
just time, bear, I mean, with
fills and out, like, the and

1068
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:23,120
very, you know your standard
stuff, it's, I love parts, and

1069
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,580
that's part of that's that
classical upbringing. Yes? Jeff

1070
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:29,000
piccarro, Matt Chamberlain,
Ringo, nice. Well, that's, I

1071
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,820
mean, the great building blocks
for any drum career, because you

1072
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:36,980
got time, groove, feel covered,
creativity covered. Pocket lope,

1073
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:40,420
commercial success and artistic
success. Yes, man, that's

1074
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:44,500
amazing. Good stuff. Yeah, man,
he likes Dream Theater too. You

1075
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:48,760
would say, like, I respect them
very much. It's not my bag, but

1076
00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:52,780
I love my favorite quote about
music stuff is from sting.

1077
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:55,720
Somebody asked him in an
interview, what kind of music do

1078
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,200
you like? He says, I like music
that surprises me. And I'm like,

1079
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:59,920
I like.

1080
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,680
That because Dream Theater is
surprising music. Jazz is

1081
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,100
surprising heavy metal is
surprising music, you know? And

1082
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,440
I think there's some things in
pop music right now that is

1083
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,660
surprising. I'm like, that's
kind of, I didn't see that

1084
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,120
coming, yeah. So that's where
I'm at right now, is, I like

1085
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,460
surprising music. And I would
say the Dream Theater falls in

1086
01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:19,740
that category. You're in
college. Did you get into this

1087
01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:23,120
pink spangling bebop or big band
kind of a thing. I was never

1088
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,840
good enough for that. I dabbled,
but I know enough to I know

1089
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,220
enough. But what was your degree
in? I I got a degree in Spanish

1090
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:33,920
and religion, and I don't do
either one anymore. Wow, I don't

1091
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,620
do either one anymore. You
played for fun. Well, I played

1092
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:39,680
professionally through, I mean,
part like in college, yeah, I

1093
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,400
mean part of paid my room and
board, which was not covered by

1094
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,340
my dad's doctorate. Or, you
know, being a professor. There I

1095
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,300
was playing in worship bands and
and country bands. And, I mean,

1096
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:53,140
I was making money weekly
playing music, yeah, playing

1097
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:55,420
drums. And then I'd go to class
the next in the, you know, in

1098
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:58,240
the morning, and I'd do a cover
gig that night till 2am and then

1099
01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:01,080
work around papers and do the
whole thing, yeah? And, you

1100
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,240
know, I thought about getting a
percussion degree, but I was

1101
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,400
like, I don't want to teach. I
don't want to teach

1102
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,700
professionally. I want to tour
play rock and roll. And I need

1103
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:11,460
to, I want to get this degree.
So I make it a choice to go, all

1104
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,880
right, I'm good at this language
thing and the religion thing, so

1105
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,020
I'll just do that and then be
able to do the rock and roll

1106
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:21,860
thing. And sure enough, as soon
as I graduated, I was off to the

1107
01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:25,160
races. Smart now, so you speak
Spanish, not anymore. I said, I

1108
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,640
don't do them anymore. Ah, but I
mean, at one point I just

1109
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,220
because it atrophied. I don't
know what that word means, but

1110
01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:34,340
it's like, like it. Like it a
weekend. It's not like riding a

1111
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:36,980
bike. Yes, you got to use it.
You got to use it, or you lose

1112
01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:41,920
it. Yeah, yeah. I told, no
bueno. I told, No bueno, huh? I

1113
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,260
told Jay Weinberger, I said,
Hey, man, I love your feet.

1114
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:47,200
Slipped on. I mean, guys, it's I
would, I would kill to have your

1115
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,720
feet. I said, I'd love to have
your feet, but I said, it's kind

1116
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,540
of like learning Spanish. I
would really love to learn how,

1117
01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:55,660
but not so much that I'm
actually going to. Can the clip

1118
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:59,020
of that be Hey, John. Jay
Weinberg, I love your feet.

1119
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:02,820
Close. That could be the opener.
Yeah, you know, I'm just

1120
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:05,400
putting, I'm just quoting rich
Redmond. That's smart. Listen,

1121
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,260
listen to the show. Yeah, Jay's
feet. Jay's no muffles. So Mike,

1122
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:15,840
muffle key. Drummer, folks, it's
MC K E, Mike McKey. Drummer.com,

1123
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,800
you learn all the things. That's
your hub, and then you're on,

1124
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,060
uh, you're on though, the
instant on the social stuff, and

1125
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:25,520
then bald man is how people find
that bald man percussion.com,

1126
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,520
yeah, yeah. We have our shop
there. You can buy some stuff,

1127
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,580
and we do customized junk hats
if you want your name on it.

1128
01:02:31,580 --> 01:02:32,960
Ooh. Like I even have,

1129
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,600
here's mine, here's the camera.
I made this one for myself. So I

1130
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,740
have our bald man logos there.
That's killer. So, like, we can

1131
01:02:41,740 --> 01:02:45,460
actually put a we you could have
a rich Red Wing, yeah? Show, we

1132
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:49,180
could have Jim and you and I
could share the junk hat, yeah,

1133
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:53,740
be like our rim show, but up. I
mean, that's just sounds great.

1134
01:02:53,740 --> 01:02:55,900
That's so cool. What do these
retail for?

1135
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,920
They go for one. We just had to
change the pricing 169, for the

1136
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,280
OG one, and there's a smaller
version. There's other sizes,

1137
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,940
yeah. So Thomas Pridgen, drummer
from the Mars volt and beyond,

1138
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:11,280
he was like, Guys, I wouldn't
want a small version. And

1139
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,220
because we use a CNC machine, we
were like, well, we're gonna

1140
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:16,920
have to make, like, a bunch of
them. So we ended up selling we

1141
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,160
made one for him, yeah? And then
that's the one that Daru Jones

1142
01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:23,600
ended up having as his signature
model and his signature model,

1143
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,060
they're all sold out. We made it
very limited edition. They're

1144
01:03:26,060 --> 01:03:30,080
gone, gone, gone. Yeah, they
sold out like that, wow. But we

1145
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,460
had his record label and his
face engraved on the entire

1146
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:36,920
thing. It's so cool. So you can
go to, you can go on our

1147
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,260
Instagram and our website and
see that one. So awesome. I

1148
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:43,420
always see Thomas getting a
burrito at a place called Cactus

1149
01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:46,960
on Moore Park in Studio City.
And I never bugged him, but I

1150
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,880
always be like, you know the
musician thing, you know, I know

1151
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,640
you who with that? Thomas? What?
Thomas pigeon, oh, Pridgen,

1152
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,880
yeah, he'd always be getting a
getting a burrito. Oh, that's

1153
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,260
Thomas, always getting a
burrito.

1154
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,780
So what's new for Delta Ray? Any
new music coming out? Yeah, we

1155
01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:06,300
just released a single a few
weeks ago, and we have another

1156
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:09,300
one coming out soon. We have a
big show in North Carolina on

1157
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:13,020
October the 18th. And again, we
all there's so many munchkins

1158
01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:15,780
and kiddos now, so it's very
hard for us to get to do public

1159
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:18,960
shows. We do some private shows.
And this weekend, this means

1160
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,940
nothing, because we're not
airing right now, but I'm

1161
01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:24,740
heading up to Boston to do a
presentation for the deltry

1162
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,500
musical that's coming to
Broadway. It's called the ninth

1163
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:31,880
woman. So we have our flagship
song, our first single, that

1164
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,880
took us around the world. It's
called bottom of the river. It's

1165
01:04:35,060 --> 01:04:38,900
actually an a cappella number.
And I said, I want to find a

1166
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,800
sound for this song, because I
think it's going to be a big

1167
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,180
song. I ended up playing chains
on a trash can. That song was

1168
01:04:46,180 --> 01:04:48,940
the catalyst for the junk hat.
So I was playing it with my

1169
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:51,880
hands. I was like, I want to get
that sound with my feet. So fast

1170
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,060
forward, like, five years after
that song. I want that's what

1171
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,700
that was the catalyst for the
junk cat. Was that song. So

1172
01:04:57,700 --> 01:04:59,920
anyway, the music video for.

1173
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,540
About in the of the river went
viral before it was virally.

1174
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:06,300
Things we're like on the cover
of Reddit and that we got on

1175
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,700
some music blogs back when that
was a thing, yeah,

1176
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:14,700
and it's a story about some
people finding a witch in sale,

1177
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,580
in the in Salem, Massachusetts,
but then she turns out she was a

1178
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:21,740
real witch and kills him. And so
is the musical version of that,

1179
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:24,860
that whole story kind of fleshed
out. So you guys fleshed it out

1180
01:05:24,860 --> 01:05:29,480
and wrote a musical, yeah,
together as a band. By and

1181
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,820
large, it was the siblings.
There's three siblings in the

1182
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:34,460
band. They do all their writing.
This was, this is really their

1183
01:05:34,460 --> 01:05:37,400
big creative project, because
I'm in, I mean, it's a, it's a

1184
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,320
Delta Ray musical, but they, I
cannot take any credit for the

1185
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:46,060
writing, so you're gonna sell it
to Broadway, to Broadway. Oh, my

1186
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,420
God, that's so cool. Yeah. Now
Huey, Huey had a thing, didn't

1187
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,600
he was short lived. It was the
heart of rock and roll, was it?

1188
01:05:52,660 --> 01:05:56,020
Yeah? Yeah. I mean, Melissa
Etheridge has one out there. I

1189
01:05:56,020 --> 01:05:58,540
mean, Bruce Springsteen, you
know there's some.

1190
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:03,360
Oh my gosh, I'm drawing a blank.
So new thing now, yeah, but, but

1191
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,060
there's a lot of great artists
doing, doing some the musical

1192
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:09,240
things you have Ronnie. I'd love
to see a Ronnie James Dio

1193
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,620
musical and be all medieval to
be dragons and elves and gnomes

1194
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:15,600
and some short person singing
very,

1195
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:20,720
you know, holy day. I mean, I'm
a sucker for Ronnie. I thought

1196
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,840
he was just so delightfully
theatrical. We haven't talked

1197
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,920
about Ozzy. Well, we haven't,
yeah, the funeral is today. It

1198
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,220
was, I saw a little bit of it as
beautiful. Yeah, they televised

1199
01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:33,920
it. They did, yeah. I mean, it
was in Birmingham, and the

1200
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,740
whole, the whole town just came
up and there were, there was a

1201
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:39,320
marching band playing Crazy
Train. I mean, it was very, it

1202
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,240
looked very, very special. Dana,
Dana, that dude, that dude was

1203
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:46,840
actively dying on stage, and he
was giving like it was his last

1204
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:49,720
Huzzah. I mean, you could tell
it was. It was really a big push

1205
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:50,680
to get that show out.

1206
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:54,880
Yep, yeah, two weeks out. Sounds
right. That's amazing. Yeah,

1207
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,080
wow.

1208
01:06:58,420 --> 01:06:59,980
Man, God rest his soul. Man,

1209
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:04,800
he can bite out the heads off as
many bats as he wants. Now,

1210
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,920
heavy bats. That was back by
accident, supposedly, oh yeah,

1211
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
yeah. He didn't know it was a
real bad Oh. He thought it was a

1212
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,520
plastic bat, yeah. Oh my god.
Well, it was moving probably,

1213
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,480
we've been watching the World
detour with Jack and Ozzy. So I

1214
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,160
guess you know, Jack is coming
to his own as a very he's

1215
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,700
actually, like, a really likable
dude, just a family man, and he

1216
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,900
divorced, or his wife divorced
him back in 2020 but leading up

1217
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:34,100
to it, just a great, great show,
they go and see all of America,

1218
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:38,060
just the two of them, Jack. This
is Jack, Jack Osborne. Oh, and

1219
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:42,760
it's, you know, he's my wife
even likes watching Ozzy, but

1220
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,420
she's not an Ozzy fan. Yeah,
it's good show. Yeah, man,

1221
01:07:46,420 --> 01:07:50,800
interesting. Everyone's Yeah,
man, my ex did a reading for

1222
01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:54,340
Jack Osborne one time. Yeah, she
was making I was married to a

1223
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:57,040
psychic. Yeah, it's crazy,
right? Yeah, you

1224
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,500
didn't go see the divorce
coming. Everyone says that,

1225
01:08:04,260 --> 01:08:07,500
thanks, Jim. Oh my god. So
thanks for coming.

1226
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:13,500
On that note, on a positive
note, French Goodbye. Oh my god,

1227
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,900
the German goodbye, that was,
that was a very German goodbye,

1228
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:21,440
and it was good. We covered a
lot of ground, and it's because

1229
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:26,840
you and I talk so fast. We did a
75 minute show, 18 minutes. And

1230
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,120
imagine somebody putting this on

1231
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:33,440
2x I would apologize to
somebody's brains for falling

1232
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:37,460
out. Can you believe Marc Maron
is retiring? No kidding, yeah,

1233
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:41,800
like 1300 episodes or something.
He's like, it's time. I think

1234
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,140
he's gonna miss that new show,
the with

1235
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:51,280
Luke, Luke Wilson. Luke Wilson,
yeah, Owen Wilson, Owen Wilson,

1236
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,420
with the penis nose, Luke will
Owen. Owen, yeah, he's, he's got

1237
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:59,740
that show. He's coming out. Owen
Wilson, it's called Wow, the

1238
01:08:59,740 --> 01:09:03,480
musical. Well, wow. What else?
He's got a documentary. Mark

1239
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:07,800
Marin's got a documentary about
him. He just played a lead in a

1240
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:14,460
in indie slash, larger Hollywood
type film, and he's got a

1241
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:17,460
special coming out on HBO, like
he's crushing it, four big

1242
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:19,800
things. How have you not invited
him onto the show? Yet?

1243
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:24,380
He's such a curmudgeon. I don't
think he, you know, he never,

1244
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:26,120
oh, come on, that would be,
like, one of the biggest

1245
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,520
highlights of your life. You
love him. I do love Marc Maron.

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I just like, would you know he
was the one who convinced me

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that, instead of being all
buttoned up because we first

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started the show, I wanted it to
be there was no UMS or uhs, but

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in just like, very

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rich Redmond show, not like
inside the actor studio, but

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more version. And then I
realized the popularity of his

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show and Joe Joe Show, and it's
just like sitting in a bar

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chatting. So people appreciate I
know. I hope more people

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appreciate it out there. Be sure
to subscribe, share, rate and

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review.

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You get your merch. We
appreciate you. Thanks, Mike,

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thank you. Mike McCarthy,
drummer.com, Jim, thanks for

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your time and talent. Course,
we'll see all you guys next time

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this has been the rich Redmond
show, subscribe, rate and follow

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along at rich redmond.com
forward slash podcasts. YOU

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TO.