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Thanks for watching!

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What is up, everybody?

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And welcome to the United States

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Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people and of the people.

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Please forgive me again.

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I am still a little congested,

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but we are going to get through this

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with Gary here.

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But let's dive into it.

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So some stories wait.

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They live in sketchbooks and late night

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ideas in the quiet persistence of creators

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who know the world they're building.

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just hasn't had its moment yet for gary

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that moment has finally arrived legacy

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idols and bones isn't just a comic it's

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the unleashing of a universe more than a

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decade in the making a brutal collision of

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superhero mythology sci-fi dread and

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horror

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fueled violence wrapped in an unapologetic

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spirit of your favorite nineteen nineties

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comic energy.

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Today we sit down with the creator behind

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the chaos to explore the birth of a

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new legacy,

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the cost of building gods in a broken

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world.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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the Council of Nerds is now in session.

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Gary, welcome to the USDA, my friend.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you for having me on a Saturday.

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Dude,

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I told you Saturdays are for my friends

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in the UK.

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That's what we're here to do.

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Even on Valentine's Day, right?

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Yeah, my wife's fine about it.

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It's okay.

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Mine's at work right now, so we're good.

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But let's dive into it.

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So this idea has lived since two thousand

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and eight.

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Why has kept this book alive and why

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is now that perfect time?

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Um, yeah,

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I'd say probably around two thousand late,

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certainly where the designs for the

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characters sort of started popping into my

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head.

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Um, and it was just me drawing,

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you know,

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Eidolon and carcass and just sort of

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going, oh, that's quite a cool character.

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That's cool character.

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Um,

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I don't think I didn't even have a

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story then.

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Um,

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by the time that I started thinking about

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the story, it was probably,

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it was literally just a rip off of

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the death of Superman.

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Um,

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And there's still a lot of that in

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there, um,

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but it's definitely gone off in other

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directions.

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Um, but yeah, so, I mean,

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I always knew that it was going to

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be sort of quite a few issues long

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and that's, that's the problem, isn't it?

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Instead of trying to find the time to

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sort of go,

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how on earth would I do something that's

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several issues long?

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Um, and I think,

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I don't know when it would have been

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probably around,

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around the sort of,

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probably just before that,

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I did actually draw, I think,

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thirteen pages of it,

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and I absolutely hated it.

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It was just like, nah, this is rubbish.

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I wasn't good enough at what I'd done.

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And that completely went to the side.

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I think I put those pages into the

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deluxe PDF version of issue one,

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so that people can still see my years

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of where that came from.

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And then,

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It would have been all the way to,

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what would it have been, in twenty twenty.

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And the horrible,

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the even worse C word of Covid.

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Yeah.

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And I was furloughed off work the entire

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time.

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And I was just like, where's that comic?

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I wanted to do that comic.

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I'm sat at home.

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I'm literally sat at home.

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doing nothing so this is twenty twenty and

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I did I think I drew about twelve

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pages and I had another twelve pages that

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were all in the various levels of laid

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out and pencil etched up things like that

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and then you know furlough came to an

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end and and you're back to work and

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you go okay it didn't happen push it

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to the side push it to the side

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don't worry about it

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And then it would have only been probably

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about a year ago,

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maybe a year and a half by now,

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because obviously I'm on issue two.

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Well,

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issue two is done and I'm working on

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issue three,

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that my hours changed at work.

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So I used to do full-time hours and

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now I'm home two days a week.

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I do part-time.

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And I was like, what about those pages,

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those horrible pages that I drew?

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Let's have a look at them.

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Yeah.

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on the computer and you have a look

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and you go do you know what these

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aren't as bad as as i remember i

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quite like this so that would have

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obviously been you know twenty four pages

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of the first issue and i said no

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i need to i need to prove to

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potential readers that i'm serious so i

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thought i'm gonna lump issue two in with

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issue one so technically issue one it's

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forty eight pages of story

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A lot of stories.

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Is actually what I wrote for a friend

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of mine to do the script for the

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first issue, the first two issues.

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So I was like,

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I'm going to be serious about this.

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I'm going to finish what I've already

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done,

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but I'm then going to draw another twenty

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two pages and get that all into issue

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one to prove to myself that I'm serious

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about doing it.

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Um, so yeah,

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so that was what I did.

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I got, you know, yeah.

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Pages, uh, printed is.

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Did a Kickstarter.

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I wouldn't say it did fantastic,

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but it got, you know, covered my goals,

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covered print costs and at the end of

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the day, that's all you can hope for.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And it gave me enough sort of motivation

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to go, yeah, I'm carrying on with this.

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I'm, you know, say issue two,

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I'm always going to have the entire issue

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drawn before I put it on Kickstarter.

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This won't be like it's fifty percent,

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it's seventy percent, none of that.

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It's a hundred percent.

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That issue is drawn and it is now

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going on Kickstarter and I'm already on

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the next one.

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nice i like that so you mentioned that

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you brought that off the shelf and you

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know that that makes me think of how

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many artists and how many writers out

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there have like just what could be a

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banger just sitting on their shelf or

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saved to a hard drive somewhere you know

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what i'm saying yeah it's crazy to think

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about it was just sat on my computer

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and in the back of my head it's

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always there you know it's always there

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going and especially um

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As I say,

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I do freelance design work home two days

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a week, and it's very sporadic,

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the amount of work you get in.

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Work was there, I was doing it,

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and I was pushing myself trying to get

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work coming in,

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but you're still sitting around,

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you're watching TV, you just sort of go,

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and then you just think,

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why am I sitting here just watching TV?

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There's that thing,

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there's that thing back here.

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Why am I not looking at that?

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And now it's taken over.

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So I'm not taking on any new work.

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I've got a few existing clients,

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so I'll still do work for them,

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but this has taken over.

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So as long as I've still got money

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coming in from the part-time work I do

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and things like that,

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I can keep this going.

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So you are a graphic designer by trade.

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How did that professional background shape

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the storytelling of Legacy?

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I don't know if it's shaped the

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storytelling at all.

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I think if anything,

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all it's really done is it's given me,

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you know,

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it means that I know exactly how to

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Not just,

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I don't know how to draw a comic,

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you know,

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that's the one thing I'm working on.

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But as a graphic designer,

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I know how to get my pages laid

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up.

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I know how to get things ready for

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print.

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I know sort of like, well,

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this has got to be CMYK and,

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you know,

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I've got to make sure this is a

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print ready file and stuff.

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So, yeah,

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it's certainly the time I've had at work

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has made it a lot less stressful to

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know exactly what I've got to do.

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And it also means that I know printers

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as well.

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So I can contact printers and go, look,

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you know what we, you know,

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I've done some, you know,

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so with you going to printer though,

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that automatically puts you in a league of

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your own and a step above others who

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have to go out and find a printer.

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You actually know a printer who does work

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for you.

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So that's really cool.

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Yeah.

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So through the company that I work for,

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we can do very small limited runs and

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I can certainly do my own like test

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prints there and get them stapled and

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guillotine down to size.

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But we wouldn't do sort of a large

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run.

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But yeah,

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I know several printers and I can get

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several different prices for all different

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things.

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And go, come on, mate, come on.

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Some built-in cheat code.

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Look at you with the built-in cheat code.

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let's talk about legacy here so legacy

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idols and bones lives at the intersection

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of superhero mythology sci-fi scale horror

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consequences what defines the tone of this

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universe tone's a difficult one i'd say

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that what i'm trying to to do with

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it as someone who's been reading comics

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since i was and i still read superhero

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comics now

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but I'd say I read more sort of

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horror comic, sci-fi comics,

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is I want consequences in my comic.

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I mean,

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I absolutely love the MCU because I'm

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forty seven and I came from an era

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of when like comic book films were,

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you know,

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things like that were coming out.

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That was so horrible.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So once the MCU.

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We did get Blade in that era.

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yeah you know we started getting the good

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ones and the x-men came along and so

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what i'm saying is like i i love

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the mcu but it is aimed at you

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know it's got that twelve a rating and

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it's you know if you had a character

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even a character like war machine if

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you've got a character like war machine

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out there with you know guns on his

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shoulders people are gonna die there's

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people dying

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There's people accidentally getting in the

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way.

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There's, you know, things like that.

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And so issue one starts with a character

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who's very much a sort of machine type

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character.

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And he just opens fire on a beach.

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And I don't care if you are Superman,

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people on that beach are going to die.

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You can get in and you can stop

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that guy.

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Yeah.

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but it's, it's consequences.

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You know,

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if you've got these incredibly powerful

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people running around, you see it in,

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you know,

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the boys and other things like that.

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Um,

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but the comic book is just so good.

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Hopefully when it gets ready to finish,

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that's the route they go is the comic

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book route.

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Cause that ended or the comic book was

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amazing.

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Yeah.

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But I do want,

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I want everything in my comic to be

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sort of like, if this happened,

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these are the consequences that would

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would follow on from it and obviously

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within that you know I want to have

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action if I'm only getting to draw a

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couple of days a week I mostly want

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to be drawing cool stuff and there's

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obviously there's of course stations and

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there's you know people in buildings you

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know just you know a chat you gotta

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have that because it's still you've got to

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push the story forward there was I think

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this is actually one thing I forgot is

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that

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Before I got back into doing issue one,

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I was reading an Avengers trade.

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I can't remember who wrote it,

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but I was reading an Avengers trade,

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and you've got Thor and Captain America

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and whoever else was with them.

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and they rock up on this island,

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and there's these, like, massive kaiju,

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you know,

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snakes and monsters and all this sort of

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stuff, and I'm like, oh, okay, okay,

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this is going to kick off.

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There's going to be a big old,

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good old, big old fight here.

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Turn the page,

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and Thor was standing on top of a

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big snake-type creature,

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holding Mjolnir in his hand, going, ha-ha,

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we beat them.

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Yeah, I don't like that.

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I'm sorry, what?

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There's like three pages of action missing

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there.

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And it was like,

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let's go and have a discussion with Dr.

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Doom.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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What?

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This is a comic.

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This is a comic.

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I want to see the massive fight with

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the monsters.

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That's the whole reason you buy the comic,

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right?

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Because you want that action.

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You can still push a story forward during

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the fight.

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And if you're really good at it,

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but if you are really good at it,

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you can definitely push a story forward

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with a fight.

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That can be what is the story of

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it.

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But I literally was just like,

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I cannot do this turn the page and

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you've you've you've skipped action why

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would you do that and I don't remember

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anything else about that book because I

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was just like that's horrible

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And that would probably cost you fifteen

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ninety nine.

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I want to draw things that are like,

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and trust me,

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I wish I could draw big old cities

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getting smashed up because in the first

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issue it would have been set in a

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city.

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But my background drawing skills are not

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that great yet.

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So I ended up being in a quarry.

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You took the Rob Liefeld method,

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just draw it behind a rock.

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But yeah,

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that's one of the things I want from

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my comic is big action,

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but big action that has consequences.

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And then everything in issue one,

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all the characters that pop up, you know,

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they're not just there for no reason.

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So a character like Widowmaker in the

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first issue, you're going to see her.

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She's a badass.

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I mean,

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it sort of feels like maybe people think

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she's just there to introduce Carcass,

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which she is.

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Obviously,

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that's how I wanted to introduce him.

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But she's not gone.

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That character will come back.

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Other things are happening.

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And her motivations will also be continued

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on.

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Yeah.

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Dude, I'm not going to lie.

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Her introduction in the first book was

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amazing.

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Just her standing over a carcass with a

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knife in her hand.

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I was like, that is so badass.

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So badass.

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Dude,

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there's a lot of really good pages in

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that book.

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The fight afterward was really good too.

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But that one midsection of that page,

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just phenomenal.

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Thank you.

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But let's keep it going.

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So this legacy captures the spirit of the

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nineties, which is amazing.

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It's one of my favorite eras,

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although everything was overprinted back

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then.

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But how did you keep that nostalgic feel

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without it being like,

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Well, let me rephrase that.

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It captures the spirit of the nineties

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without becoming nostalgic because this

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doesn't feel like, yes,

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it reads the nineties, but it, it doesn't,

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you know what I'm saying?

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I think that goes back to what I

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just said about this Avengers comic.

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You wouldn't have had that in the

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nineties.

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You know,

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I love the fact that you can have

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these fantastic stories in modern

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traits and you know we both completely

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agree that comedy is more than just

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superheroes it's a genre it can be

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absolutely anything and you can have you

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know stories telling anything and you

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didn't get so much that in the nineties

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but I do think that like the action

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it was just big and just out there

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and it didn't try and strain itself to

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sort of like well that's just not

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realistic you know it was just it was

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just a bit mad and like

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I picked up Issue Spawn.

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I was quite late getting into that comic.

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It was Issue Forty-Five that I picked up.

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I think I was about seventeen then.

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And that just blew my mind,

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because I was just like, what is this?

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And I went back and got all the

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various things,

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and then bought all of the, you know,

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up to about Issue One Hundred,

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like just great Capullo.

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So,

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there's people out there who say the first

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one hundred are the best run.

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I will argue that from...

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About three hundred Ford,

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it gets good again because I picked it

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up around.

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So I picked up like I think I

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have like the first ten issues.

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I need to go back and get like

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eleven through ninety nine or something

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because I think I have issue one hundred.

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But I got out of comic books for

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a very long time just simply because.

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I traveled a lot and I just did

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not have the money to support a habit

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like that, so I gave it up completely.

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So,

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but I did pick it up after I

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settled back down and, um,

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Now it's like short box after short box.

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It's still one of my favorite reads.

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I have the compendiums because, again,

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I'm not going to track down all those

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comic books that I don't have because

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they're overly priced.

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And I'm not going to track them down.

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But the compendiums were there.

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Grab the compendiums.

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And I will admit, you know,

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after one hundred,

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it kind of went downhill and it pissed

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up again.

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I think about two fifty.

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It did three hundred forty.

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Yeah.

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I've picked up issues, three hundred,

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and then I have in the last certainly

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couple of years,

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I'll pick up the odd trade.

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I think it's not that Spawn is a

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bad comic.

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I could never say that.

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I mean,

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just what Todd McFarlane has done for the

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industry is unbelievable.

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But it's fallen into the trap of it

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became a massive IP and now Spawn,

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to me,

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would be exactly the same as me picking

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up just like Spider-Man or Superman or

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anything like that.

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I'm sorry,

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I just don't have an interest in now.

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Not because they're bad,

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but I'm done with it.

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You know, I read them.

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When I was in my... Well, I mean,

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did split it,

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because now you have the Scorched.

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They did a Violator short run.

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They have Salmon Twitch.

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Yeah.

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They have King Spawn.

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They have Medieval Spawn.

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God, they're always so well-drawn.

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She Spawn is going to get her own

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five-issue run.

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Written by Gal Simone, I think, isn't it?

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Huh?

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I think it's written by Gal Simone.

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I think so.

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I think it is Gail Simone,

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which is amazing.

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All praise Gail Simone.

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She is amazing.

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And I'm so happy.

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She's getting a lot of love.

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It still comes back to me as like,

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we're at a point where there's no

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consequences.

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There's no consequence with comics because

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it's an IP.

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It's massive.

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You know, it happened to Spider-Man,

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Superman, Batman,

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Spawn is now in that list.

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It's too much money for them to really

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break the mold and try and do something

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else.

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Spawn broke that mold and became what it

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wasn't.

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You know what I'm saying?

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It wasn't the Batman.

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It wasn't the Superman.

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It wasn't the X-Men.

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Codman Farland broke the mold,

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rebuilt the mold,

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and now he is the mold.

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Yeah.

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Which is wild to think about what this

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crazy indie company that popped up in,

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I think, in nineteen ninety three.

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It has become this massive market of

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creator owned comics.

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And that's what I still love about them.

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Creator owned.

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I mean,

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my my favorite run would be Invincible.

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Oh, phenomenal.

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Phenomenal ride.

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I hate the fact that that series ended,

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and I love the fact that that series

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ended.

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Isn't it the way it should have been,

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and when it should have?

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Any more or any less would not have

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been right.

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I don't want to give spoilers to anyone

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who's never read Invincible because that

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is the one thing I would say.

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It feels like every other show Invincible

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gets brought up and I'm like,

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read it before you watch it or if

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you're watching it,

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stop watching it and go read it.

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Yeah, it managed to run, what,

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a hundred and forty-four issues.

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There were a few trades and things like

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that.

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You could get the trades or the...

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I personally own the compendiums.

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Like,

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I went and got the entire compendium as

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a set.

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Gorgeous.

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And it was just the art, the writing,

00:21:24.127 --> 00:21:25.429
everything is just beautiful.

00:21:26.069 --> 00:21:27.151
Yeah.

00:21:27.171 --> 00:21:28.792
The animated series does not do it

00:21:28.833 --> 00:21:29.292
justice.

00:21:29.313 --> 00:21:31.955
No, it's before this,

00:21:31.996 --> 00:21:33.557
obviously we were talking about, you know,

00:21:33.616 --> 00:21:34.438
our kids and things.

00:21:34.978 --> 00:21:37.621
My daughter will watch Invincible with me

00:21:37.721 --> 00:21:39.342
and she will get very excited about a

00:21:39.362 --> 00:21:40.644
new series coming along.

00:21:40.663 --> 00:21:42.605
And she's like, Oh yeah, Invincible.

00:21:42.625 --> 00:21:43.046
And I'm like,

00:21:44.061 --> 00:21:46.746
Got all the trades out there.

00:21:47.666 --> 00:21:49.390
I still think that the comic is better

00:21:49.450 --> 00:21:51.833
than the animated series.

00:21:52.073 --> 00:21:53.816
I think series two and three got better

00:21:53.915 --> 00:21:54.557
than series one.

00:21:54.576 --> 00:21:56.199
Oh, it got better.

00:21:56.378 --> 00:21:59.343
Like a hundred times better as it went.

00:21:59.383 --> 00:21:59.604
But

00:22:00.902 --> 00:22:03.124
It's like, just go and read that.

00:22:04.463 --> 00:22:06.204
So they also did The Walking Dead as

00:22:06.265 --> 00:22:06.605
well.

00:22:07.346 --> 00:22:09.787
And in the beginning of the TV series,

00:22:09.946 --> 00:22:11.948
I loved it because they were doing Old

00:22:11.988 --> 00:22:12.608
Man Carl.

00:22:13.749 --> 00:22:15.829
And the Old Man Carl arc in The

00:22:15.849 --> 00:22:17.550
Walking Dead is the main story.

00:22:17.590 --> 00:22:18.652
And it was amazing.

00:22:18.692 --> 00:22:22.374
It's one of the best written storylines

00:22:22.413 --> 00:22:22.554
ever.

00:22:23.097 --> 00:22:24.278
a comic book in my opinion it is

00:22:24.298 --> 00:22:27.441
my favorite writer yeah definitely yeah

00:22:27.461 --> 00:22:30.243
old man carl amazing amazing story arc and

00:22:30.263 --> 00:22:33.506
then they killed him i was like what

00:22:33.566 --> 00:22:37.348
the are y'all doing like you were building

00:22:37.388 --> 00:22:40.070
his story this was his story it is

00:22:40.531 --> 00:22:44.474
his story and you just killed him

00:22:45.979 --> 00:22:46.759
And I turned it off,

00:22:47.859 --> 00:22:50.021
and I haven't watched it again.

00:22:50.541 --> 00:22:51.823
I only collect trades.

00:22:51.863 --> 00:22:53.403
I very rarely pick up comics.

00:22:53.743 --> 00:22:55.964
But I was collecting all the Walking Dead

00:22:56.365 --> 00:22:57.105
trades,

00:22:57.486 --> 00:23:00.428
and a series came along while the comic

00:23:00.448 --> 00:23:01.167
was still going.

00:23:01.867 --> 00:23:03.489
And I was speaking up with my friend

00:23:03.528 --> 00:23:03.970
at work.

00:23:03.990 --> 00:23:05.431
He was a massive fan of the show,

00:23:05.451 --> 00:23:06.671
but he's not a comic book fan at

00:23:06.770 --> 00:23:06.951
all.

00:23:07.291 --> 00:23:08.332
And he would sort of say to me,

00:23:08.352 --> 00:23:09.972
like, oh, is that from the comics?

00:23:10.032 --> 00:23:11.374
And I'm like, yeah, some of it is,

00:23:11.394 --> 00:23:12.013
some of it isn't.

00:23:14.164 --> 00:23:16.847
It diverged off so much and became such

00:23:16.887 --> 00:23:18.630
a massive thing that even though Kirkman

00:23:18.690 --> 00:23:19.651
is my favorite writer,

00:23:20.332 --> 00:23:22.355
I am pretty sure that I've never actually

00:23:22.375 --> 00:23:23.935
finished reading The Walking Dead.

00:23:27.864 --> 00:23:28.484
It was too much.

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I only have the Old Man Carl arc

00:23:32.467 --> 00:23:34.528
in trade paperback because I wasn't in

00:23:34.568 --> 00:23:35.529
comics at the time.

00:23:36.170 --> 00:23:37.330
When The Walking Dead started,

00:23:37.351 --> 00:23:38.632
that's when I went and picked up the

00:23:38.652 --> 00:23:40.593
first trade paperback of the Old Man Carl

00:23:40.732 --> 00:23:42.815
arc and started reading it.

00:23:42.875 --> 00:23:43.535
And I was just like,

00:23:43.855 --> 00:23:44.596
I got to have this.

00:23:44.836 --> 00:23:45.797
I got to go pick up more.

00:23:46.477 --> 00:23:48.137
And I ended up collecting the whole arc

00:23:48.557 --> 00:23:49.878
because it was just so good.

00:23:50.459 --> 00:23:50.679
Like,

00:23:50.919 --> 00:23:52.859
I could just pick it up and read

00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.221
it and be disappointed in the TV series.

00:23:55.622 --> 00:23:56.882
I still got the compendium,

00:23:57.362 --> 00:23:58.823
the first compendium, which covers, like,

00:23:58.843 --> 00:24:00.263
what, first forty-something issues?

00:24:00.864 --> 00:24:01.503
Yeah.

00:24:01.523 --> 00:24:02.924
I'm sure I got that signed by Charlie

00:24:02.964 --> 00:24:05.465
Adler at one convention I went to.

00:24:05.906 --> 00:24:06.906
Yeah, I'm sure he signed it.

00:24:06.926 --> 00:24:08.807
Oh, that's really cool.

00:24:08.887 --> 00:24:10.068
Yeah.

00:24:10.169 --> 00:24:11.709
I did read the rest of the trades.

00:24:11.828 --> 00:24:13.630
I literally only kept that compendium

00:24:13.650 --> 00:24:14.931
because I just felt so burnt out.

00:24:15.434 --> 00:24:17.257
by the series, easy.

00:24:17.376 --> 00:24:19.759
I need space back on my shelves and

00:24:19.778 --> 00:24:20.219
I wish I hadn't,

00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:21.059
I should have kept him.

00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:25.443
So what'd you think about them stripping

00:24:25.483 --> 00:24:27.144
battle beast out of invincible and giving

00:24:27.164 --> 00:24:28.326
him his own comic book run?

00:24:29.386 --> 00:24:29.527
I,

00:24:29.926 --> 00:24:33.770
I am absolutely delighted to see Kirkman

00:24:33.790 --> 00:24:35.471
and oddly working together again.

00:24:35.531 --> 00:24:36.992
Absolutely.

00:24:37.193 --> 00:24:39.736
I think, you know, they, I wasn't,

00:24:39.875 --> 00:24:42.298
I wasn't a fan of oddly on Spider-Man.

00:24:42.730 --> 00:24:44.071
I'm a huge Hulk fan,

00:24:44.112 --> 00:24:46.874
but I didn't like the Hulk role.

00:24:46.993 --> 00:24:47.794
His art was great,

00:24:47.874 --> 00:24:50.455
but it didn't let him run loose with

00:24:50.536 --> 00:24:51.455
it like he could have.

00:24:51.856 --> 00:24:55.878
So to see them back working together puts

00:24:55.898 --> 00:24:59.161
joy in my heart.

00:24:59.201 --> 00:25:01.541
People rave about the character of Battle

00:25:01.582 --> 00:25:03.042
Beast, and I'm like, yeah, I like that.

00:25:06.246 --> 00:25:07.567
I personally like it, you know,

00:25:07.586 --> 00:25:09.248
because he's supposed to die.

00:25:09.708 --> 00:25:13.410
His only goal in life is to die.

00:25:13.430 --> 00:25:14.931
And he's got to go out fighting.

00:25:15.010 --> 00:25:16.951
So, like,

00:25:17.031 --> 00:25:19.933
it's amazing because his only goal is,

00:25:20.013 --> 00:25:21.394
like, he will die in battle.

00:25:21.775 --> 00:25:24.155
As well, you and I,

00:25:24.395 --> 00:25:25.416
having read Invincible,

00:25:25.436 --> 00:25:27.178
we know what happens to that character.

00:25:27.198 --> 00:25:28.699
Oh, yeah.

00:25:28.798 --> 00:25:29.838
And I'm just sort of like, well,

00:25:29.858 --> 00:25:31.140
I know what happens to that character.

00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:32.910
And I'm going to read it and I'm

00:25:32.930 --> 00:25:34.030
going to enjoy the hell out of it

00:25:34.050 --> 00:25:36.592
because it's one of my favourite writers

00:25:36.612 --> 00:25:37.971
with one of my favourite artists.

00:25:38.632 --> 00:25:40.593
But I think there's part of me that

00:25:40.613 --> 00:25:42.253
wishes that they had come up with

00:25:42.273 --> 00:25:44.193
something new and different rather than

00:25:44.954 --> 00:25:46.815
delving into the world of Battle Beast,

00:25:47.336 --> 00:25:48.435
as much as I'm enjoying it.

00:25:49.412 --> 00:25:51.292
i'm enjoying it and i can see where

00:25:51.313 --> 00:25:52.893
you're saying with that but i've enjoyed

00:25:52.932 --> 00:25:55.634
it so much and they teased it i

00:25:55.653 --> 00:25:57.574
think back in twenty twenty one twenty

00:25:57.614 --> 00:25:59.375
twenty two they released a single issue of

00:25:59.414 --> 00:26:03.496
battle beast because i got the uh signed

00:26:03.615 --> 00:26:06.135
battle beast i will always pick it up

00:26:06.175 --> 00:26:08.856
because oh yeah what was it he picked

00:26:08.916 --> 00:26:11.837
up um they did something was it called

00:26:11.917 --> 00:26:12.657
solid blood

00:26:13.395 --> 00:26:14.655
Did you grab that issue?

00:26:15.155 --> 00:26:16.517
I did not, no.

00:26:16.537 --> 00:26:18.037
So they literally, they did this,

00:26:18.057 --> 00:26:19.817
I wish I was downstairs and I could

00:26:19.836 --> 00:26:20.336
go and grab it.

00:26:22.798 --> 00:26:26.077
They did this whole, like,

00:26:26.097 --> 00:26:27.638
it's not April Fools,

00:26:27.679 --> 00:26:28.778
I don't know how to describe it,

00:26:28.818 --> 00:26:30.239
but Kirkman was like,

00:26:30.298 --> 00:26:31.999
I've gone into the warehouse and there's

00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:33.559
this palette of comics that I don't know

00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:34.259
anything about,

00:26:34.299 --> 00:26:36.619
but apparently I wrote it and Opley drew

00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:36.799
it.

00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.760
And it's literally issue seventeen of a

00:26:39.800 --> 00:26:41.260
comic called Solid Blood.

00:26:41.969 --> 00:26:44.588
by kirkman and otley and it throws you

00:26:44.690 --> 00:26:46.250
right into the middle of a story like

00:26:46.289 --> 00:26:51.990
an issue of these characters was it is

00:26:52.030 --> 00:26:54.750
that one issue it wasn't um i don't

00:26:54.770 --> 00:26:56.132
think it was put in like previews or

00:26:56.172 --> 00:26:57.932
whatever you know you get these days yeah

00:26:58.612 --> 00:27:00.352
that's really cool though into the comic

00:27:00.392 --> 00:27:03.833
shops um and yet that i probably wishes

00:27:03.853 --> 00:27:05.873
they'd you know they'd done that but i

00:27:05.932 --> 00:27:08.354
love that two of them did that i

00:27:08.374 --> 00:27:09.294
think that was fantastic

00:27:10.511 --> 00:27:12.452
So let's dive into your characters.

00:27:12.673 --> 00:27:14.114
So for your heroes, you have...

00:27:14.753 --> 00:27:16.815
I'm going to attempt to pronounce his

00:27:16.875 --> 00:27:17.095
name.

00:27:17.154 --> 00:27:18.756
Is it Eidolon?

00:27:19.155 --> 00:27:19.516
Eidolon.

00:27:20.036 --> 00:27:20.436
Eidolon.

00:27:20.477 --> 00:27:21.277
So it's like an idol.

00:27:21.376 --> 00:27:22.477
Okay.

00:27:22.637 --> 00:27:23.097
Eidolon.

00:27:23.198 --> 00:27:23.478
Okay.

00:27:23.557 --> 00:27:24.739
And then Carcass.

00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:25.959
And then Carcass, yeah.

00:27:26.358 --> 00:27:27.200
And then for your villains,

00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:28.119
you have Pulse.

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:28.700
Yeah.

00:27:29.361 --> 00:27:30.560
Widowmaker, who is probably my...

00:27:31.501 --> 00:27:32.501
Just so amazing.

00:27:32.521 --> 00:27:33.702
Like, jeez,

00:27:33.722 --> 00:27:35.502
your introduction to her was phenomenal.

00:27:36.104 --> 00:27:37.084
And then Reordained.

00:27:37.584 --> 00:27:38.744
Yeah, Reordained, yeah.

00:27:41.118 --> 00:27:41.819
So even there,

00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.460
to show what a crappy writer I am.

00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:49.501
Because I'd always had that character in

00:27:49.541 --> 00:27:50.602
my head, Uriodain,

00:27:51.363 --> 00:27:53.383
as basically a doomsday character.

00:27:53.403 --> 00:27:53.603
You know,

00:27:53.643 --> 00:27:56.263
he's the mastermind for the fights,

00:27:56.523 --> 00:27:57.084
the superhero.

00:27:57.525 --> 00:27:58.265
Well,

00:27:58.884 --> 00:28:01.566
another word for doomsday is foreordain,

00:28:02.806 --> 00:28:05.126
like F-O-R-E-D-A-I-N, foreordain.

00:28:05.834 --> 00:28:07.153
So I just took the first two letters

00:28:07.194 --> 00:28:08.535
off of that and stuck an apostrophe in

00:28:08.575 --> 00:28:11.076
it and called him real name.

00:28:11.135 --> 00:28:12.496
If it works, it works, right?

00:28:12.516 --> 00:28:15.176
It sounds like a cool alien monster name.

00:28:15.237 --> 00:28:18.219
Obviously,

00:28:18.999 --> 00:28:20.578
the things happened to that character in

00:28:20.598 --> 00:28:21.440
the first issue,

00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:25.580
but the effects of what that character did

00:28:26.060 --> 00:28:27.561
will be felt for quite some time.

00:28:28.722 --> 00:28:31.045
So for discussion here,

00:28:31.424 --> 00:28:33.666
so are they protectors or problems?

00:28:33.707 --> 00:28:37.190
What truly makes these powers dangerous in

00:28:37.230 --> 00:28:37.871
this world?

00:28:37.990 --> 00:28:41.073
And is this more the story about heroism

00:28:41.773 --> 00:28:44.596
or more about legacy of the characters?

00:28:45.576 --> 00:28:48.179
I think it is about legacy.

00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:53.983
It's because, you know, not being an IP,

00:28:54.003 --> 00:28:57.146
you know, none of the characters are safe.

00:28:57.901 --> 00:28:59.201
Anything can happen to any of the

00:28:59.221 --> 00:28:59.923
characters.

00:29:00.823 --> 00:29:06.607
And yes, it's... What's this?

00:29:06.627 --> 00:29:07.628
It's confused me.

00:29:10.050 --> 00:29:11.913
Yeah, sorry, you've confused me.

00:29:11.972 --> 00:29:12.853
What was the question again?

00:29:14.654 --> 00:29:15.675
No, you're good, man.

00:29:15.756 --> 00:29:17.217
That's fucking hilarious.

00:29:17.817 --> 00:29:21.259
So are they protectors or problems or what

00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.762
truly makes these powers dangerous in this

00:29:23.823 --> 00:29:24.123
world?

00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:27.359
The characters,

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.662
so certainly Eidolon is a superhero.

00:29:31.741 --> 00:29:34.262
He is the front-facing number one

00:29:34.282 --> 00:29:35.503
superhero of the world.

00:29:36.003 --> 00:29:37.424
Even in issue one, you know,

00:29:37.444 --> 00:29:39.526
there's adverts in there for the eau de

00:29:39.546 --> 00:29:41.346
parfum or whatever you want to call it.

00:29:41.366 --> 00:29:43.527
Dude, that had me cracking up.

00:29:43.586 --> 00:29:44.228
I'm not going to lie.

00:29:44.248 --> 00:29:46.008
Those two commercials you did on the

00:29:46.068 --> 00:29:48.910
inside of them, those were awesome.

00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:51.631
And I want to, so the plan was,

00:29:52.010 --> 00:29:54.092
there's a sidebar here, every issue was,

00:29:55.413 --> 00:29:57.834
will have uh hopefully if i can figure

00:29:57.854 --> 00:30:01.015
it out we'll have a full page artwork

00:30:01.694 --> 00:30:04.616
that probably won't have any like dialogue

00:30:04.656 --> 00:30:07.897
on it that does push forward or build

00:30:07.938 --> 00:30:10.479
the world um so very much the fact

00:30:10.499 --> 00:30:13.599
that there is simply a um an advert

00:30:14.192 --> 00:30:17.276
in the in the comic showing the idolon

00:30:17.316 --> 00:30:19.659
has his own range of you know aftershave

00:30:19.739 --> 00:30:23.061
or whatever dude so it reminded me of

00:30:23.102 --> 00:30:26.204
those old school nineties yeah commercials

00:30:26.224 --> 00:30:27.846
with the eau de parfum and the dude's

00:30:27.866 --> 00:30:32.991
just like yeah because he he just sees

00:30:33.011 --> 00:30:35.013
himself as like the sexiest guy on the

00:30:35.054 --> 00:30:36.015
planet which

00:30:36.683 --> 00:30:38.546
definitely plays into a lot of where the

00:30:38.566 --> 00:30:39.346
story goes.

00:30:39.385 --> 00:30:41.867
Well, I mean, if we read the story,

00:30:41.887 --> 00:30:44.391
I mean, he has no problem with ladies.

00:30:44.451 --> 00:30:44.750
No.

00:30:45.571 --> 00:30:46.152
At the moment.

00:30:46.352 --> 00:30:47.173
Yeah, that is true.

00:30:48.054 --> 00:30:50.115
And then obviously the other page in issue

00:30:50.256 --> 00:30:52.336
one is the kids menu, isn't it?

00:30:53.077 --> 00:30:53.438
Yes.

00:30:53.858 --> 00:30:54.298
Yeah.

00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:55.039
With a,

00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:56.260
with a toy on top of it and

00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:56.560
stuff.

00:30:57.221 --> 00:30:58.563
And then it also has the little box

00:30:58.583 --> 00:31:00.023
where you could draw your favorite hero or

00:31:00.064 --> 00:31:00.525
whatever.

00:31:00.605 --> 00:31:01.986
And then the kids drew him.

00:31:02.486 --> 00:31:02.987
Yeah.

00:31:03.007 --> 00:31:04.488
So that even that,

00:31:05.219 --> 00:31:05.778
comes back.

00:31:06.019 --> 00:31:07.901
Like, I'm trying to sort of, like,

00:31:07.961 --> 00:31:10.762
nothing in issue one is throwaway.

00:31:11.544 --> 00:31:11.743
You know,

00:31:11.824 --> 00:31:15.866
every time that first issue will more than

00:31:15.906 --> 00:31:18.169
likely get touched on or brought back in

00:31:18.189 --> 00:31:20.471
a big way as it goes on.

00:31:21.570 --> 00:31:23.073
So, yeah, so certainly, you know,

00:31:24.653 --> 00:31:29.217
Eidolon is the forefront of superheroism

00:31:29.257 --> 00:31:29.837
in the world,

00:31:30.778 --> 00:31:32.058
even though behind the scenes.

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:33.840
I never wanted him to be

00:31:35.042 --> 00:31:40.730
He's not a loose guy from the boys.

00:31:40.750 --> 00:31:43.272
Are you talking about a blender?

00:31:43.933 --> 00:31:44.954
Yeah, yeah, Homelander.

00:31:45.015 --> 00:31:45.855
He's not Homelander.

00:31:45.875 --> 00:31:47.115
He's not an evil guy.

00:31:47.175 --> 00:31:49.196
He's not a bad guy.

00:31:49.717 --> 00:31:50.876
He is a superhero,

00:31:51.157 --> 00:31:53.499
but behind closed doors, he'll, you know,

00:31:53.618 --> 00:31:55.980
he's taking drugs and drinking and just

00:31:56.140 --> 00:31:58.181
having sex with whoever's around and

00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:58.560
whatever.

00:31:58.961 --> 00:32:00.501
But I don't think he's a bad person.

00:32:00.582 --> 00:32:02.383
He still will go out there and he

00:32:02.423 --> 00:32:03.363
will, you know,

00:32:03.442 --> 00:32:05.163
save that cat in a tree if he's

00:32:05.183 --> 00:32:06.345
told he has to go and do it,

00:32:06.444 --> 00:32:07.065
he'll go and do it.

00:32:07.244 --> 00:32:07.565
Yeah.

00:32:08.326 --> 00:32:10.846
But he's not, he's not a bad person.

00:32:11.667 --> 00:32:13.288
um and then obviously you've got someone

00:32:13.328 --> 00:32:17.951
like carcass but i think his motivations

00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:21.791
for doing it are very different and a

00:32:21.811 --> 00:32:23.593
lot of that plays into because they're

00:32:23.613 --> 00:32:26.673
brothers we've said that yeah yeah no we

00:32:26.693 --> 00:32:28.134
didn't see it yet but they are brothers

00:32:28.154 --> 00:32:29.935
yeah they are brothers yeah and i think

00:32:29.976 --> 00:32:32.757
the reasons he does it much more plays

00:32:32.856 --> 00:32:37.358
into um their father and his

00:32:38.248 --> 00:32:40.148
his effect on the world because you know

00:32:40.249 --> 00:32:42.470
again what i really liked about carcass is

00:32:42.509 --> 00:32:43.810
he doesn't look like your typical

00:32:43.851 --> 00:32:47.393
superhero no like when you first see him

00:32:47.452 --> 00:32:48.773
on the cover you're like oh that has

00:32:48.814 --> 00:32:50.474
to be the bad guy because that's what

00:32:50.555 --> 00:32:52.135
in your head what a bad guy is

00:32:52.155 --> 00:32:54.836
supposed to look like but he's not he

00:32:54.896 --> 00:32:57.499
he's the one of the other hero in

00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.480
the book yeah yeah and i mean even

00:33:02.417 --> 00:33:03.979
even in the first three pages of the

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:04.338
comic,

00:33:04.378 --> 00:33:05.720
they're a bit of a sort of fake

00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:06.961
out because it's set, what,

00:33:07.020 --> 00:33:09.501
sixty five million years ago.

00:33:10.502 --> 00:33:11.423
But that all comes back.

00:33:11.603 --> 00:33:12.963
And I'm hoping that, you know,

00:33:13.003 --> 00:33:14.184
if everything goes well,

00:33:14.704 --> 00:33:16.465
that if I manage to get a second

00:33:16.566 --> 00:33:17.507
arc or, you know,

00:33:17.646 --> 00:33:19.548
even if it's just a couple of one

00:33:19.587 --> 00:33:24.090
shots or something that the the characters

00:33:24.151 --> 00:33:26.031
seen in those first three pages, you know,

00:33:26.051 --> 00:33:26.692
they'll come back.

00:33:26.892 --> 00:33:27.192
It's.

00:33:28.813 --> 00:33:29.933
It's all just world building.

00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:31.599
No,

00:33:31.819 --> 00:33:34.181
I'm glad that's a perfect segue because

00:33:34.621 --> 00:33:36.201
we're going to talk about issue one real

00:33:36.221 --> 00:33:36.520
quick.

00:33:36.560 --> 00:33:38.020
So it's fifty two pages,

00:33:38.781 --> 00:33:40.162
forty eight pages of story,

00:33:40.241 --> 00:33:44.782
and it builds this foundation for you.

00:33:44.803 --> 00:33:47.022
Fifty two pages is basically a graphic

00:33:47.083 --> 00:33:47.482
novel.

00:33:50.163 --> 00:33:51.644
I don't even want to think about how

00:33:51.683 --> 00:33:53.744
many pages are still ahead of me at

00:33:53.765 --> 00:33:56.984
the moment because I've I'm talking to

00:33:57.065 --> 00:33:58.645
other artists and stuff and a friend of

00:33:58.685 --> 00:33:59.865
mine who's done a pin up.

00:34:00.144 --> 00:34:02.105
uh initial two matt timpson who's just

00:34:02.145 --> 00:34:03.686
done a pinup that's just blown me out

00:34:03.727 --> 00:34:05.968
of the water glad you brought him up

00:34:05.988 --> 00:34:08.228
too because that's that's the next topic

00:34:08.268 --> 00:34:14.110
please go yeah um so if yeah it's

00:34:14.251 --> 00:34:15.711
it's a hell of a lot of pages

00:34:15.871 --> 00:34:17.333
ahead of me i don't want to think

00:34:17.373 --> 00:34:19.213
about that and yeah so he's doing a

00:34:19.393 --> 00:34:20.514
one shot that he's going to put on

00:34:20.534 --> 00:34:22.375
kickstarter soon that i've been very lucky

00:34:22.414 --> 00:34:23.856
to he's showing me some pages

00:34:24.614 --> 00:34:26.914
um and everyone's going just do one shot

00:34:26.954 --> 00:34:28.516
just do just you know just do or

00:34:28.576 --> 00:34:30.476
make it less issues make it less issues

00:34:30.815 --> 00:34:32.597
and maybe it's because i'm i'm having to

00:34:32.617 --> 00:34:34.878
now write it myself i'm like no i

00:34:34.918 --> 00:34:37.259
know what happens in issues three four

00:34:37.338 --> 00:34:39.199
five all the way through to issue six

00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:40.820
which technically obviously as we've said

00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:42.661
earlier would have been issue seven

00:34:43.161 --> 00:34:45.282
because yeah one is two issues you know

00:34:45.302 --> 00:34:47.003
it's got two issues worth of story in

00:34:47.043 --> 00:34:50.043
it so it's a seven issue essentially

00:34:51.393 --> 00:34:54.175
I'm drawing but while I'm still enjoying

00:34:54.255 --> 00:34:58.135
it and you know it's a lot ahead

00:34:58.175 --> 00:35:02.255
of me but I'm excited because I obviously

00:35:02.295 --> 00:35:04.556
know what's coming up I'm like oh I

00:35:04.597 --> 00:35:07.577
can't wait to get to issue five where

00:35:07.617 --> 00:35:09.557
that thing happens and I get to draw

00:35:11.318 --> 00:35:13.338
that it's awesome just to see how much

00:35:14.452 --> 00:35:16.391
you're enjoying this and how passionate

00:35:16.431 --> 00:35:17.693
you are to get this done,

00:35:17.713 --> 00:35:19.693
which this week it's over.

00:35:19.773 --> 00:35:20.472
It really does.

00:35:20.512 --> 00:35:21.293
It bleeds over.

00:35:21.934 --> 00:35:23.213
It is awesome to see dude.

00:35:23.634 --> 00:35:25.574
So you also have a pinup coming from

00:35:25.675 --> 00:35:27.295
Dan butcher as well.

00:35:27.635 --> 00:35:27.914
Yeah.

00:35:27.954 --> 00:35:29.094
Who did, who does,

00:35:29.135 --> 00:35:32.215
he's a co-host on another podcast and he's

00:35:32.235 --> 00:35:34.056
got his own web comic called Vanguard,

00:35:34.797 --> 00:35:36.536
which I admit I've only started reading

00:35:36.556 --> 00:35:38.436
sort of the first seven or eight issues

00:35:38.496 --> 00:35:38.956
into that.

00:35:39.518 --> 00:35:40.998
I, I,

00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:42.780
Obviously,

00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.621
I'm drawing it's why I'm doing this.

00:35:45.123 --> 00:35:48.463
But I will very often draw,

00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:51.925
like be obsessed with a smaller comic like

00:35:51.985 --> 00:35:53.387
did you did you read a comic called

00:35:53.427 --> 00:35:54.967
petrol head?

00:35:55.047 --> 00:35:56.128
I didn't.

00:35:56.148 --> 00:35:57.208
You haven't I see that.

00:35:57.389 --> 00:36:00.271
That's it was by Rob Williams and pipe

00:36:00.411 --> 00:36:00.630
up.

00:36:00.990 --> 00:36:02.371
And I think it's the best comic I

00:36:02.411 --> 00:36:04.092
think it came out in twenty twenty four.

00:36:04.313 --> 00:36:06.094
Definitely look into the trade for petrol

00:36:06.114 --> 00:36:06.934
head is fantastic.

00:36:06.994 --> 00:36:07.175
Okay.

00:36:08.507 --> 00:36:10.007
reading it I was like I've got to

00:36:10.047 --> 00:36:12.090
draw that factor I've got to draw it

00:36:12.289 --> 00:36:14.050
because it just feels like the ultimate

00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:17.693
kind of sign of I don't know about

00:36:17.733 --> 00:36:19.815
respect but a sign of like I think

00:36:19.856 --> 00:36:22.458
what you've done is really cool and I

00:36:22.498 --> 00:36:25.340
want to so when when Dan Butcher came

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.581
to me and said would you be interested

00:36:27.601 --> 00:36:29.402
in me doing like a either a variant

00:36:29.443 --> 00:36:30.903
cover or a pin-up or something for your

00:36:30.943 --> 00:36:33.985
comic I'm like hell yes to have someone

00:36:34.146 --> 00:36:34.567
else

00:36:35.168 --> 00:36:36.568
Draw my characters.

00:36:36.909 --> 00:36:37.768
For someone else to go,

00:36:38.108 --> 00:36:40.090
I think you've done something that I want

00:36:40.110 --> 00:36:40.750
to draw them.

00:36:41.251 --> 00:36:42.530
I want to have a go at drawing

00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:43.411
your characters.

00:36:43.711 --> 00:36:45.152
You just go, oh, a hundred percent.

00:36:45.192 --> 00:36:45.672
That's dream.

00:36:45.693 --> 00:36:45.833
Yeah.

00:36:45.853 --> 00:36:48.494
So that's, that's dude,

00:36:48.534 --> 00:36:50.293
just segue in so well.

00:36:50.333 --> 00:36:50.795
I love it.

00:36:50.815 --> 00:36:51.514
I was,

00:36:51.534 --> 00:36:52.916
the next question was literally how

00:36:52.976 --> 00:36:55.197
important is community collaboration in,

00:36:55.436 --> 00:36:56.396
in the world building?

00:36:56.476 --> 00:36:58.818
And you just summed that up perfectly.

00:36:59.157 --> 00:36:59.358
Yeah.

00:36:59.677 --> 00:37:00.659
Form of flattery.

00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.121
it is they contact you and go can't

00:37:03.221 --> 00:37:05.802
i draw your characters yeah and i i

00:37:05.842 --> 00:37:07.822
did say to dan um because he's working

00:37:07.842 --> 00:37:09.264
on his own indie comic at the moment

00:37:09.324 --> 00:37:12.445
i i i have pledged towards it it's

00:37:12.465 --> 00:37:14.146
either called red viper or viper i can't

00:37:14.206 --> 00:37:17.447
remember um towards it and he's drawing

00:37:17.487 --> 00:37:19.268
page online and i said to him look

00:37:19.387 --> 00:37:21.869
i i definitely want to draw one of

00:37:21.889 --> 00:37:23.369
your characters for something you've done

00:37:23.409 --> 00:37:25.030
if you if you would like me to

00:37:25.050 --> 00:37:26.190
you know if you're interested in doing

00:37:26.532 --> 00:37:29.472
obviously i'm i'm so busy with with one

00:37:30.456 --> 00:37:32.097
I've got to try and find the time

00:37:32.358 --> 00:37:32.998
to do it.

00:37:34.378 --> 00:37:35.860
But I would, yeah,

00:37:36.019 --> 00:37:37.940
I would love to draw, you know,

00:37:38.141 --> 00:37:40.121
other people's indie characters because

00:37:40.603 --> 00:37:42.903
everyone's drawing, you know, things.

00:37:42.963 --> 00:37:44.664
And I don't want to go into a

00:37:44.704 --> 00:37:46.106
whole AI rant here.

00:37:46.445 --> 00:37:48.586
People are pumping out so much AI stuff.

00:37:48.706 --> 00:37:49.367
They are.

00:37:49.947 --> 00:37:51.449
Of characters and stuff.

00:37:51.528 --> 00:37:53.108
And I love the Hulk.

00:37:53.349 --> 00:37:54.989
I'm on several Hulk Facebook groups.

00:37:55.271 --> 00:37:56.530
And the amount of times you're just like,

00:37:56.610 --> 00:37:58.172
oh, my God, no, no.

00:37:58.231 --> 00:37:58.452
Yeah.

00:37:58.853 --> 00:37:59.532
It's just so much fun.

00:38:00.548 --> 00:38:01.268
For someone to go,

00:38:01.588 --> 00:38:02.989
I want to take time out of my

00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:06.951
day to draw your thing and for me

00:38:07.010 --> 00:38:09.311
to maybe say that to someone else is

00:38:09.331 --> 00:38:10.751
just the highest compliment.

00:38:10.791 --> 00:38:12.532
Dude, I will say this.

00:38:12.632 --> 00:38:15.871
The indie comic book community on Facebook

00:38:15.992 --> 00:38:19.172
is some of the best stuff.

00:38:19.253 --> 00:38:20.672
Everybody is so helpful.

00:38:21.534 --> 00:38:22.054
Everybody...

00:38:24.101 --> 00:38:25.204
And they're not afraid to call out

00:38:25.244 --> 00:38:25.864
bullshit either.

00:38:25.903 --> 00:38:26.826
And I love it.

00:38:27.485 --> 00:38:28.907
I'm in multiple groups, obviously,

00:38:29.228 --> 00:38:30.030
for what I do here,

00:38:30.050 --> 00:38:31.632
because I advertise in those groups.

00:38:32.233 --> 00:38:33.795
And a lot of people I meet come

00:38:33.815 --> 00:38:34.635
from those groups.

00:38:34.996 --> 00:38:35.235
And

00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:39.070
everybody is always really cool and really

00:38:39.112 --> 00:38:39.512
chill.

00:38:40.172 --> 00:38:41.873
Like I wish I could participate more,

00:38:41.932 --> 00:38:43.514
but I just don't have that time and

00:38:43.554 --> 00:38:46.536
freedom to do that because obviously I'm,

00:38:47.056 --> 00:38:48.817
once my advertising is done and I fill

00:38:48.836 --> 00:38:51.199
a month, it's literally just becomes,

00:38:51.219 --> 00:38:51.438
okay,

00:38:51.478 --> 00:38:52.880
now I got to focus on the people

00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.239
now and get, you know,

00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.161
and building this stuff.

00:38:56.202 --> 00:38:56.862
But yeah,

00:38:57.324 --> 00:38:59.025
I can't say anything bad about any of

00:38:59.045 --> 00:39:00.146
those communities really.

00:39:00.246 --> 00:39:01.668
Like some of them are pretty bad about

00:39:01.847 --> 00:39:02.628
the AI stuff,

00:39:02.648 --> 00:39:04.309
but I just don't think it's admin the

00:39:04.349 --> 00:39:05.010
proper way.

00:39:05.831 --> 00:39:06.692
But for the most part,

00:39:06.711 --> 00:39:08.914
they're all really phenomenal communities.

00:39:08.994 --> 00:39:10.655
And I can't encourage people enough to

00:39:10.715 --> 00:39:12.016
join those communities.

00:39:13.217 --> 00:39:16.039
Not only share your work, but, you know,

00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:16.699
help others.

00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.842
And I'm blown away by the quality of

00:39:20.043 --> 00:39:21.284
most indie comics.

00:39:21.344 --> 00:39:22.063
Now it's,

00:39:22.605 --> 00:39:25.606
it's a tough sort of thing to get

00:39:25.666 --> 00:39:26.168
into.

00:39:26.228 --> 00:39:26.347
And,

00:39:26.686 --> 00:39:28.048
You know, I hope mine does well,

00:39:28.088 --> 00:39:30.271
but I'm looking at what other people do,

00:39:30.291 --> 00:39:31.512
and I'm like, oh, my God,

00:39:32.914 --> 00:39:34.175
this is considered indie?

00:39:34.195 --> 00:39:35.856
Like, this is fantastic.

00:39:35.976 --> 00:39:37.599
It's crazy, right?

00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.081
So much you can pledge towards.

00:39:39.161 --> 00:39:41.083
You're like,

00:39:41.202 --> 00:39:42.664
I'd really like to look at that guy's

00:39:42.824 --> 00:39:43.846
one, but then, you know,

00:39:43.925 --> 00:39:45.648
I'll only just pledge towards that guy's

00:39:45.788 --> 00:39:45.907
one.

00:39:45.927 --> 00:39:46.027
Yeah.

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.023
And it's like so I had Chris Ford

00:39:52.063 --> 00:39:54.105
on here who does dark pink comics like

00:39:54.184 --> 00:39:58.148
he was his Kickstarter was seen by one

00:39:58.168 --> 00:40:00.911
of the bigger like cover artists for like

00:40:00.931 --> 00:40:03.092
Marvel, DC, other indie comics.

00:40:03.693 --> 00:40:04.693
And he was just like, hey,

00:40:05.875 --> 00:40:06.856
I got to give you a cover.

00:40:09.423 --> 00:40:09.844
That was it.

00:40:09.985 --> 00:40:10.885
And he made him a cover.

00:40:12.007 --> 00:40:12.748
And I love that.

00:40:13.228 --> 00:40:15.429
Because even the bigger names out there

00:40:15.489 --> 00:40:18.072
are starting to recognize not just

00:40:18.132 --> 00:40:18.753
Kickstarter,

00:40:18.773 --> 00:40:20.615
but other indie creators because they were

00:40:20.655 --> 00:40:21.275
there once.

00:40:21.896 --> 00:40:22.918
And they're giving back to those

00:40:22.958 --> 00:40:24.099
communities as well.

00:40:25.541 --> 00:40:26.041
I'm telling you,

00:40:26.222 --> 00:40:27.762
Indie Comics has one of the best

00:40:28.603 --> 00:40:30.925
communities out there granted just like

00:40:30.965 --> 00:40:33.144
any community it has some toxicity it has

00:40:33.184 --> 00:40:36.286
some bullshit but from a overall

00:40:36.425 --> 00:40:38.786
perspective we have one of the best

00:40:38.806 --> 00:40:41.527
communities out there yeah everyone just

00:40:41.626 --> 00:40:44.168
wants to enjoy comics we all just want

00:40:44.208 --> 00:40:47.288
to do it well you know and as

00:40:47.347 --> 00:40:49.228
i say there's phenomenal art out there and

00:40:49.248 --> 00:40:52.550
there's sometimes stuff that isn't as uh

00:40:52.570 --> 00:40:54.809
professional looking let's keep let's keep

00:40:54.949 --> 00:40:57.590
it but you're still going on they're going

00:40:57.630 --> 00:40:58.050
oh good for you

00:40:58.543 --> 00:41:00.985
good for you you still you start somewhere

00:41:01.045 --> 00:41:03.867
right you start somewhere yeah i mean i'll

00:41:04.027 --> 00:41:07.007
say that like this isn't my first comic

00:41:07.047 --> 00:41:09.228
i actually did do one in which was

00:41:09.289 --> 00:41:11.789
a one-shot comic um and i haven't really

00:41:11.809 --> 00:41:13.391
shared that very much because i'm not very

00:41:13.431 --> 00:41:15.331
proud of the artwork in it but part

00:41:15.351 --> 00:41:16.652
of me is thinking well maybe i should

00:41:17.012 --> 00:41:18.693
put that on at least global comics or

00:41:18.733 --> 00:41:20.934
do something with it just to show sort

00:41:20.974 --> 00:41:21.054
of

00:41:22.302 --> 00:41:24.144
how I've improved or how I think I've

00:41:24.184 --> 00:41:27.367
changed and moved on.

00:41:27.387 --> 00:41:28.608
That's one of my favorite things,

00:41:28.628 --> 00:41:29.329
to be fair,

00:41:29.590 --> 00:41:32.431
is when you see the person,

00:41:32.931 --> 00:41:35.213
the story and the art evolve throughout

00:41:35.574 --> 00:41:36.574
multiple issues.

00:41:37.916 --> 00:41:38.016
Oh,

00:41:38.097 --> 00:41:40.998
I think issue two of Legacy Idols and

00:41:41.018 --> 00:41:42.840
Bones looks better than issue one.

00:41:43.141 --> 00:41:44.481
And it's fascinating because I've

00:41:44.541 --> 00:41:44.922
obviously,

00:41:45.242 --> 00:41:47.123
I have got printed copies already and I

00:41:47.143 --> 00:41:48.045
can't go back.

00:41:48.105 --> 00:41:50.266
I haven't got time to go back.

00:41:50.853 --> 00:41:53.235
But there's definitely pages in issue one

00:41:53.275 --> 00:41:55.054
where like Claire and Dr.

00:41:55.094 --> 00:41:55.956
Green are talking.

00:41:57.135 --> 00:41:58.235
It's not good artwork.

00:41:58.335 --> 00:41:59.476
You know, I had my comic sales,

00:41:59.496 --> 00:42:00.277
but I definitely think, oh,

00:42:00.297 --> 00:42:01.036
they're like bad.

00:42:01.356 --> 00:42:03.878
But I do think what I'm doing now,

00:42:03.958 --> 00:42:05.498
and I want to go back and change

00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:06.918
it, but it's just like, no, look,

00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.039
you've got to keep going, moving forward.

00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:10.519
So I hope that, you know,

00:42:10.539 --> 00:42:12.081
by the time I am on issue sort

00:42:12.141 --> 00:42:13.760
of fives and six and things like that,

00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.981
that maybe it doesn't represent, you know,

00:42:18.021 --> 00:42:19.742
the artwork, how it looks in issue one.

00:42:20.543 --> 00:42:21.664
But hopefully it's improved.

00:42:21.684 --> 00:42:22.184
And also,

00:42:22.224 --> 00:42:23.505
the other thing I'd actually like to say

00:42:23.545 --> 00:42:26.106
is the story does go off in some

00:42:26.166 --> 00:42:27.427
quite dark directions.

00:42:27.487 --> 00:42:28.788
I mean, well,

00:42:28.887 --> 00:42:30.228
it's certainly violent and things like

00:42:30.347 --> 00:42:30.608
that.

00:42:31.009 --> 00:42:33.110
But it goes off in some very dark

00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:33.630
directions.

00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:36.070
And I want to make sure that I'm

00:42:36.152 --> 00:42:39.432
always interested in drawing the pages.

00:42:40.434 --> 00:42:42.914
That means me trying different styles and

00:42:42.954 --> 00:42:44.416
doing different things.

00:42:44.876 --> 00:42:45.637
I'm going to do it.

00:42:46.077 --> 00:42:46.956
Because why wouldn't I?

00:42:46.996 --> 00:42:47.557
It's my comic.

00:42:48.853 --> 00:42:49.914
That's what's great about it, right?

00:42:49.994 --> 00:42:51.074
It ensures you do whatever the hell you

00:42:51.094 --> 00:42:51.295
want.

00:42:51.315 --> 00:42:51.414
Yeah.

00:42:52.534 --> 00:42:55.114
So there is a good chance that certain

00:42:55.155 --> 00:42:57.175
pages, as it goes on,

00:42:57.255 --> 00:42:59.996
will not look the same as it did

00:43:00.496 --> 00:43:01.416
in those first issues.

00:43:01.456 --> 00:43:02.317
And I hope it does.

00:43:02.617 --> 00:43:03.817
I want to try new things.

00:43:03.876 --> 00:43:05.257
I want to keep being in it.

00:43:05.597 --> 00:43:07.358
You don't evolve unless you do it, right?

00:43:07.617 --> 00:43:08.197
Yeah, exactly.

00:43:08.418 --> 00:43:09.237
Yeah.

00:43:09.257 --> 00:43:10.518
And everybody wants to evolve.

00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.259
I want to evolve and be a better...

00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.960
know podcaster a creator i get every time

00:43:17.081 --> 00:43:19.081
i do clips i get better and better

00:43:19.161 --> 00:43:22.922
and better and you don't get better i'm

00:43:22.963 --> 00:43:24.503
trying to sit down literally as i say

00:43:24.523 --> 00:43:26.603
i'm home two days a week and look

00:43:26.623 --> 00:43:28.804
at it as like okay i'll normally start

00:43:28.824 --> 00:43:30.445
from about sort of eight o'clock in the

00:43:30.485 --> 00:43:32.164
morning through until sort of five o'clock

00:43:32.184 --> 00:43:34.346
in the afternoon um because that's when

00:43:34.405 --> 00:43:36.545
i'm in the house by myself you know

00:43:36.606 --> 00:43:38.586
i'm married and i've got not young kids

00:43:38.666 --> 00:43:40.806
i've got daughters it difficult when

00:43:40.827 --> 00:43:42.487
there's people around so i am like

00:43:43.875 --> 00:43:45.096
like nine hours of the day,

00:43:45.556 --> 00:43:46.615
I'm going to sit and draw.

00:43:46.976 --> 00:43:48.536
And I do think that because I've now

00:43:48.675 --> 00:43:50.556
solidly started doing that, yes,

00:43:50.916 --> 00:43:52.036
I'm definitely improving.

00:43:52.476 --> 00:43:53.697
If you can say that about yourself,

00:43:53.757 --> 00:43:55.097
I think you can.

00:43:55.117 --> 00:43:55.878
You can, a hundred percent.

00:43:57.219 --> 00:43:59.338
My friend Matt, he's also gone, look,

00:43:59.398 --> 00:44:00.760
I think this is a step up from

00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.239
what you've done.

00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:03.039
Dude,

00:44:03.099 --> 00:44:04.920
my first show to where I am today

00:44:05.061 --> 00:44:06.740
is night and day, a hundred percent.

00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.262
Yeah.

00:44:08.402 --> 00:44:09.922
And I'm incredibly excited.

00:44:10.757 --> 00:44:12.617
of issue one i think you know i

00:44:12.637 --> 00:44:14.380
got forty eight pages out and how many

00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:16.380
people can say that you know it's this

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.123
thing but you know i i do think

00:44:19.222 --> 00:44:21.784
it's improving and this stuff i'm i'm

00:44:21.804 --> 00:44:23.226
definitely proud of some of those pages

00:44:23.266 --> 00:44:24.686
like you said the widow maker page i'm

00:44:24.706 --> 00:44:27.650
incredibly proud of dude certain pages

00:44:27.989 --> 00:44:31.592
where um like jcbs are involved in the

00:44:31.632 --> 00:44:33.634
beach scene that beach fight scene was

00:44:33.673 --> 00:44:37.617
like insane too which is pretty true that

00:44:37.637 --> 00:44:39.077
was drawn in like twenty twenty

00:44:40.210 --> 00:44:41.791
Dude, that scene is insane.

00:44:41.972 --> 00:44:43.554
It's bloody, it's violent,

00:44:43.574 --> 00:44:44.574
it's disgusting.

00:44:45.114 --> 00:44:46.996
It's everything you want in a comic book.

00:44:47.315 --> 00:44:50.057
If you've got people out there that are

00:44:50.137 --> 00:44:52.420
swinging punches that could take down a

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:53.000
mountain,

00:44:53.740 --> 00:44:56.503
then no one's coming out with just a

00:44:56.523 --> 00:44:58.023
black eye, you know?

00:44:58.344 --> 00:44:58.623
No.

00:44:59.284 --> 00:45:01.686
Like, his jaw got knocked the fuck off.

00:45:01.907 --> 00:45:03.268
How about that?

00:45:03.867 --> 00:45:04.809
The end of issue one.

00:45:04.829 --> 00:45:07.411
But as you know, from reading issue one,

00:45:08.007 --> 00:45:10.706
things happen to our our delightful hero

00:45:11.248 --> 00:45:13.487
that that will definitely follow through

00:45:14.148 --> 00:45:16.768
um through the entire series because you

00:45:16.789 --> 00:45:18.289
don't walk away from a fight with a

00:45:18.349 --> 00:45:20.728
giant monster with a couple of scratches

00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:23.750
you know and you definitely proved that

00:45:23.889 --> 00:45:29.510
and it was dude so in comic book

00:45:29.610 --> 00:45:31.371
it it's one of those things where if

00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:33.572
it's going to be extremely violent make it

00:45:33.612 --> 00:45:35.811
extremely violent and bloody

00:45:37.045 --> 00:45:39.186
Give me all the juicy bits, right?

00:45:39.527 --> 00:45:39.887
Yeah.

00:45:39.907 --> 00:45:42.268
But if you're making this slice of life

00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:42.708
story, cool.

00:45:42.849 --> 00:45:43.048
Yeah.

00:45:43.128 --> 00:45:45.130
Perfect.

00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:46.652
I like those two.

00:45:46.731 --> 00:45:49.514
I want to make sure that – I

00:45:49.554 --> 00:45:51.094
don't want to say what happens to him,

00:45:51.175 --> 00:45:52.996
but – Don't spoil.

00:45:53.056 --> 00:45:53.896
No spoilers.

00:45:54.597 --> 00:45:56.378
But what happens to him I think is

00:45:56.458 --> 00:45:58.300
what would happen to you if you were

00:45:58.340 --> 00:46:00.000
fighting –

00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.219
you know, this giant monster.

00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:02.862
A hundred percent.

00:46:02.981 --> 00:46:04.222
That's what you want to see though.

00:46:04.664 --> 00:46:04.864
Yeah.

00:46:04.943 --> 00:46:06.905
It isn't just violence for the sake of

00:46:06.945 --> 00:46:07.626
violence.

00:46:08.246 --> 00:46:09.887
And it's not just nudity for the sake

00:46:09.907 --> 00:46:10.588
of nudity.

00:46:11.550 --> 00:46:13.090
I do think that if you're in a

00:46:13.130 --> 00:46:14.492
situation where, you know,

00:46:16.313 --> 00:46:18.275
you're in a room and you're having sex

00:46:18.315 --> 00:46:20.297
with a couple of women and taking drugs

00:46:20.338 --> 00:46:20.717
and stuff,

00:46:20.757 --> 00:46:22.019
there's probably going to be nudity

00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:22.440
involved.

00:46:23.143 --> 00:46:24.063
A hundred percent.

00:46:24.824 --> 00:46:25.644
If it fits the story,

00:46:25.704 --> 00:46:26.625
it fits the story.

00:46:26.684 --> 00:46:28.646
If it's the, the,

00:46:28.826 --> 00:46:31.186
the charm and allure of the story and

00:46:31.226 --> 00:46:33.628
the, it works, it works.

00:46:34.007 --> 00:46:34.547
Go with it.

00:46:34.588 --> 00:46:34.907
Right.

00:46:35.467 --> 00:46:36.528
Talking about that though.

00:46:36.568 --> 00:46:38.608
So as I say, issue one is on,

00:46:38.889 --> 00:46:41.349
um, global, global comics.

00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:45.811
And we were going to talk about the

00:46:45.851 --> 00:46:47.052
Kickstarter itself.

00:46:48.072 --> 00:46:49.393
And normally I asked, you know,

00:46:49.472 --> 00:46:50.492
why crowdfunded?

00:46:50.514 --> 00:46:51.414
I'm not going to,

00:46:52.512 --> 00:46:55.273
on global comics i've only ever had one

00:46:55.313 --> 00:46:57.936
guy coming comments to one and it's

00:46:58.016 --> 00:46:59.797
actually seven hundred people read it but

00:47:00.036 --> 00:47:01.898
and i know people don't often comment but

00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:03.619
i don't comment on things i have one

00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.342
guy comment on it and he said um

00:47:06.762 --> 00:47:09.403
the artwork isn't very good or something

00:47:09.443 --> 00:47:12.126
like that and i was just like okay

00:47:12.226 --> 00:47:14.367
i'm i'm just i'm just a guy who's

00:47:14.407 --> 00:47:16.568
trying to make it but you know you

00:47:16.608 --> 00:47:18.989
are welcome to your opinion and he replied

00:47:19.030 --> 00:47:19.811
back saying

00:47:20.532 --> 00:47:23.552
for a raunchy comic your art isn't good

00:47:23.612 --> 00:47:25.713
enough and in my head i was like

00:47:26.014 --> 00:47:29.135
it's not a raunchy comic that was what

00:47:29.155 --> 00:47:30.516
i took from that i was like you

00:47:30.536 --> 00:47:33.358
think yeah comic no it's a comic that

00:47:33.398 --> 00:47:36.179
has violence it has sex it has profanity

00:47:37.349 --> 00:47:38.610
But it's not a raunchy comic.

00:47:38.630 --> 00:47:40.713
Yeah.

00:47:40.793 --> 00:47:41.733
I didn't take that from it.

00:47:41.753 --> 00:47:42.693
So I don't know what the hell he

00:47:42.713 --> 00:47:43.195
was thinking.

00:47:43.215 --> 00:47:43.775
Yeah.

00:47:43.855 --> 00:47:44.896
I just found that really weird.

00:47:44.916 --> 00:47:46.416
I'm like, no, this isn't.

00:47:46.516 --> 00:47:48.938
I think he went into it expecting it

00:47:48.978 --> 00:47:51.280
to be a more not safe for work

00:47:51.380 --> 00:47:52.422
type of comic book.

00:47:52.782 --> 00:47:54.143
And then when he didn't get that,

00:47:54.202 --> 00:47:56.445
he felt the need to say, oh,

00:47:56.485 --> 00:47:58.326
it's not raunchy enough and the art sucks.

00:47:58.365 --> 00:47:58.445
Yeah.

00:47:58.465 --> 00:47:59.507
And I just.

00:47:59.527 --> 00:48:01.449
That's not what this comic book is.

00:48:03.085 --> 00:48:04.067
You just got to laugh it off.

00:48:04.086 --> 00:48:05.648
You just got to go.

00:48:05.688 --> 00:48:06.467
You really do.

00:48:06.547 --> 00:48:07.208
Because if you,

00:48:07.389 --> 00:48:08.590
if you took everything to heart,

00:48:08.610 --> 00:48:12.072
you would never make art.

00:48:12.132 --> 00:48:12.492
Exactly.

00:48:12.512 --> 00:48:12.692
Yeah.

00:48:13.213 --> 00:48:14.994
I know I'm not a professional comic book

00:48:15.114 --> 00:48:16.715
artist and I wish I had put more

00:48:16.815 --> 00:48:17.275
effort in,

00:48:17.335 --> 00:48:19.757
in my twenties and maybe I could have

00:48:19.777 --> 00:48:20.237
been there,

00:48:21.297 --> 00:48:22.679
but I'm going to keep doing it and

00:48:22.699 --> 00:48:24.099
I'm going to keep putting the effort in

00:48:24.139 --> 00:48:25.400
now and see where it takes me.

00:48:26.842 --> 00:48:27.784
No, a hundred percent.

00:48:28.043 --> 00:48:30.005
And I've enjoyed, like I said,

00:48:30.085 --> 00:48:32.387
I enjoyed the hell out of issue one.

00:48:32.947 --> 00:48:35.730
I think other people who enjoy a comic

00:48:35.750 --> 00:48:37.672
book for what it is,

00:48:38.652 --> 00:48:40.914
which in this instance is a bloody

00:48:41.353 --> 00:48:41.994
violent,

00:48:43.275 --> 00:48:46.137
not safe for work scenario type of book.

00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:48.500
So if that's what you're into,

00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:49.501
then that's what you're into.

00:48:49.541 --> 00:48:51.541
Then you will definitely enjoy this book.

00:48:51.641 --> 00:48:53.864
If you're a big fan of the boys,

00:48:54.123 --> 00:48:55.786
you're going to love this comic book.

00:48:55.806 --> 00:48:55.945
Yeah.

00:48:56.521 --> 00:48:58.322
I think I need to go back and

00:48:58.362 --> 00:49:00.123
properly read The Boys one day, I think,

00:49:00.143 --> 00:49:01.324
because I've read sort of three or four

00:49:01.403 --> 00:49:03.184
issues and I've watched the entire series.

00:49:05.125 --> 00:49:08.226
What I'd say about the series of The

00:49:08.266 --> 00:49:10.226
Boys, as much as I enjoy it,

00:49:10.346 --> 00:49:12.347
a lot of the violence in it often

00:49:12.387 --> 00:49:14.507
feels like they're just doing violence.

00:49:14.867 --> 00:49:16.047
Yeah.

00:49:16.068 --> 00:49:17.929
That's what I'm saying about this comic is

00:49:18.088 --> 00:49:20.170
it is incredibly violent and it has got

00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:21.289
blood and guts and gore.

00:49:22.025 --> 00:49:24.027
but it's because of what is happening to

00:49:24.047 --> 00:49:24.768
that person.

00:49:24.867 --> 00:49:27.128
And then what are the consequences of

00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:30.311
what, of that violence, you know,

00:49:30.411 --> 00:49:31.251
and it's still fun.

00:49:31.572 --> 00:49:33.032
I want people to, and it's, I think,

00:49:33.052 --> 00:49:33.974
I don't know how long it took you

00:49:33.994 --> 00:49:34.434
to read it.

00:49:34.514 --> 00:49:35.835
I don't think it's a long read.

00:49:36.175 --> 00:49:37.335
I think it's not a very long read.

00:49:37.976 --> 00:49:40.057
You read through it in like, ten,

00:49:40.097 --> 00:49:40.898
fifteen minutes.

00:49:41.179 --> 00:49:41.739
But a lot,

00:49:41.858 --> 00:49:43.699
I think still a lot happens in it.

00:49:44.121 --> 00:49:46.021
And even issue two, which will only be,

00:49:46.262 --> 00:49:47.983
um, twenty-four pages of story.

00:49:48.864 --> 00:49:48.923
Um,

00:49:50.072 --> 00:49:51.893
I'm not great at getting loads of dialogue

00:49:51.954 --> 00:49:52.315
in there.

00:49:52.355 --> 00:49:53.034
I'm not, you know,

00:49:53.054 --> 00:49:54.735
people having huge conversations.

00:49:55.195 --> 00:49:58.237
I want their actions to push the narrative

00:49:58.277 --> 00:49:58.599
forward.

00:49:58.619 --> 00:49:59.719
Well,

00:49:59.739 --> 00:50:01.760
that's what I always say is the art

00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:02.840
tells the story.

00:50:03.501 --> 00:50:05.882
The words push the story along.

00:50:06.222 --> 00:50:06.603
Yeah.

00:50:06.704 --> 00:50:06.864
Yeah.

00:50:07.610 --> 00:50:08.831
And that's what a comic book is.

00:50:10.952 --> 00:50:13.072
If you're going to a comic book to

00:50:13.492 --> 00:50:16.472
read a full narrative story,

00:50:16.492 --> 00:50:17.353
like you would in a book,

00:50:17.373 --> 00:50:18.594
you're looking at a comic book for the

00:50:18.614 --> 00:50:19.134
wrong reason.

00:50:19.173 --> 00:50:20.893
You're looking at the comic book because

00:50:21.434 --> 00:50:23.954
the art is telling the story in the

00:50:24.014 --> 00:50:25.795
words or pushing the narrative of that

00:50:26.034 --> 00:50:26.335
art.

00:50:26.735 --> 00:50:27.315
Yeah.

00:50:27.376 --> 00:50:29.016
I think as part of me, you know,

00:50:29.056 --> 00:50:30.335
you want to build your audience.

00:50:30.456 --> 00:50:31.757
I'd love to obviously have a massive

00:50:31.856 --> 00:50:34.157
audience following and you think, well,

00:50:34.177 --> 00:50:36.617
maybe I should go on Twitch or something

00:50:36.637 --> 00:50:37.217
like that.

00:50:37.771 --> 00:50:40.333
and, you know, draw pages on there.

00:50:40.753 --> 00:50:42.014
But I'm always sort of like, well,

00:50:42.034 --> 00:50:43.956
if it's just a page of people talking

00:50:44.295 --> 00:50:45.958
without the dialogue on it,

00:50:45.978 --> 00:50:47.039
who's going to want to watch it?

00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:48.699
You'd be surprised.

00:50:49.701 --> 00:50:51.422
And if it's a page where there's massive

00:50:51.521 --> 00:50:53.043
action and consequences,

00:50:53.443 --> 00:50:54.425
I'm giving plot away.

00:50:55.311 --> 00:50:57.572
Yeah, you don't want to do that.

00:50:57.632 --> 00:50:59.992
So I'm still sort of very hesitant about,

00:51:00.233 --> 00:51:00.913
you know,

00:51:00.932 --> 00:51:02.492
sitting there and doing any sort of live

00:51:02.512 --> 00:51:03.313
drawing stuff.

00:51:04.074 --> 00:51:05.353
I know there's a lot of big name

00:51:05.393 --> 00:51:07.054
comic book artists out there that they

00:51:07.094 --> 00:51:08.554
have YouTube channels where they do the

00:51:08.675 --> 00:51:11.456
art tutorials and they just draw and show

00:51:11.496 --> 00:51:13.317
people how they draw characters.

00:51:13.436 --> 00:51:15.137
And it's really fun to watch them,

00:51:15.197 --> 00:51:18.318
just the precision they have with a pen

00:51:18.378 --> 00:51:18.998
or a pencil.

00:51:19.018 --> 00:51:20.099
Yeah.

00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:21.840
I mean, maybe I could sort of,

00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.320
I still need to obviously do covers and

00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:23.681
things.

00:51:23.701 --> 00:51:25.262
So maybe I could start,

00:51:25.282 --> 00:51:26.282
try doing something like that.

00:51:26.862 --> 00:51:28.224
But let's talk about the Kickstarter.

00:51:28.244 --> 00:51:29.903
The Kickstarter is live now.

00:51:29.983 --> 00:51:32.985
It goes until the twentieth of this month.

00:51:33.146 --> 00:51:34.726
So there's about six days left.

00:51:35.146 --> 00:51:36.047
Yeah, a week today.

00:51:36.126 --> 00:51:38.807
So I'm in the UK, obviously.

00:51:38.967 --> 00:51:39.789
I think it ends,

00:51:39.809 --> 00:51:41.088
I think I've got it ending at ten

00:51:41.148 --> 00:51:42.989
o'clock Saturday morning.

00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:45.431
So it was only a twelve day Kickstarter.

00:51:46.192 --> 00:51:46.612
And again,

00:51:46.632 --> 00:51:48.713
this is through talking to friends of

00:51:48.753 --> 00:51:48.992
mine.

00:51:50.181 --> 00:51:51.523
who have done previous ones,

00:51:51.543 --> 00:51:54.405
and this is mostly being able to come

00:51:54.425 --> 00:51:56.949
onto podcasts like this and other things

00:51:57.009 --> 00:51:57.369
I've done.

00:51:57.530 --> 00:51:59.411
I want to be able to push, push,

00:51:59.452 --> 00:51:59.972
push, push,

00:52:00.032 --> 00:52:02.155
push the whole time that it's on

00:52:02.195 --> 00:52:02.876
Kickstarter.

00:52:03.177 --> 00:52:04.699
And if I'm going thirty days,

00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:08.242
I just feel like maybe by day sixteen,

00:52:08.302 --> 00:52:08.842
seventeen,

00:52:08.884 --> 00:52:10.065
people are just going to get pissed off.

00:52:11.211 --> 00:52:12.672
I don't think so.

00:52:13.454 --> 00:52:14.114
I really don't.

00:52:14.353 --> 00:52:15.414
In twelve days,

00:52:15.735 --> 00:52:17.215
I feel like you're selling yourself just a

00:52:17.235 --> 00:52:18.177
little bit short.

00:52:19.797 --> 00:52:23.539
Don't get me wrong.

00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:25.780
I'd love it if that doubled right now.

00:52:26.101 --> 00:52:26.902
That'd be amazing.

00:52:28.143 --> 00:52:28.563
But yeah,

00:52:28.603 --> 00:52:30.063
I just wanted to sort of be able

00:52:30.083 --> 00:52:34.365
to push it really hard for ten to

00:52:34.385 --> 00:52:35.086
twelve days.

00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:37.880
And there's certain days when I'm at home

00:52:37.981 --> 00:52:39.101
and I wanted to make sure I was

00:52:39.121 --> 00:52:41.802
at home on the days that it started.

00:52:42.902 --> 00:52:44.481
So I was just trying to be around

00:52:44.882 --> 00:52:45.442
for that.

00:52:45.521 --> 00:52:48.762
But I'm still blown away when you

00:52:49.123 --> 00:52:51.903
obviously have friends and family that put

00:52:51.943 --> 00:52:53.804
money towards these things.

00:52:54.985 --> 00:52:56.204
But just to see, like,

00:52:56.224 --> 00:52:57.545
I don't know who this person is and

00:52:57.565 --> 00:52:59.646
they've just pledged money towards

00:52:59.666 --> 00:53:00.405
something I've done.

00:53:01.172 --> 00:53:03.514
which goes back to people drawing your own

00:53:03.574 --> 00:53:03.934
characters,

00:53:04.155 --> 00:53:05.335
just to see people where you go,

00:53:05.715 --> 00:53:06.956
I don't know this person,

00:53:07.757 --> 00:53:09.259
and they've just put money towards,

00:53:09.298 --> 00:53:10.679
they've looked at what I've done and gone,

00:53:11.541 --> 00:53:12.561
I want to support that.

00:53:13.242 --> 00:53:14.643
And that, again,

00:53:14.704 --> 00:53:16.264
just blows me away because it's just,

00:53:16.324 --> 00:53:17.286
you know.

00:53:17.405 --> 00:53:18.807
It's amazing, right?

00:53:18.867 --> 00:53:19.088
Dude,

00:53:19.108 --> 00:53:20.708
that's me every time I get a new

00:53:20.748 --> 00:53:22.291
guest on this show,

00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:24.992
that this person is putting their trust

00:53:25.172 --> 00:53:27.074
and faith in me to deliver them a

00:53:27.135 --> 00:53:27.474
show.

00:53:28.672 --> 00:53:30.132
and to have them on the show and

00:53:30.152 --> 00:53:31.494
that they're trusting me to come on my

00:53:31.514 --> 00:53:33.173
show to talk about what they're selling.

00:53:34.974 --> 00:53:36.414
I get the same feeling every time.

00:53:36.454 --> 00:53:38.175
It's amazing.

00:53:38.554 --> 00:53:41.596
So I am very pleased with how Kickstarter

00:53:42.155 --> 00:53:42.556
is going.

00:53:42.596 --> 00:53:44.597
I kept it quite a low amount.

00:53:44.677 --> 00:53:46.257
I figured out what my print costs were

00:53:46.277 --> 00:53:48.458
going to be for the various items.

00:53:50.338 --> 00:53:53.018
I'm hopeful that it will cover it.

00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.800
I was more interested in reaching an

00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:57.860
achievable goal

00:53:58.498 --> 00:54:00.179
than completely worrying about,

00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:01.902
is it going to cover all my costs?

00:54:02.202 --> 00:54:03.103
Because let's face it,

00:54:03.163 --> 00:54:04.344
most of us are doing this for the

00:54:04.364 --> 00:54:06.565
passion of doing it rather than making

00:54:06.626 --> 00:54:06.945
money.

00:54:06.965 --> 00:54:08.067
Oh, yeah.

00:54:08.106 --> 00:54:09.807
Don't get me wrong.

00:54:09.867 --> 00:54:11.009
I wish I was making money.

00:54:12.530 --> 00:54:13.210
A hundred percent.

00:54:13.351 --> 00:54:14.092
A hundred percent.

00:54:14.371 --> 00:54:15.992
At some point,

00:54:16.114 --> 00:54:17.514
I was going to knock on my door

00:54:17.554 --> 00:54:19.735
and offer me money for the IP.

00:54:19.817 --> 00:54:20.978
But as of yet, wow.

00:54:22.655 --> 00:54:24.036
But walk us through your Kickstarter and

00:54:24.056 --> 00:54:25.958
what people can expect from your

00:54:25.998 --> 00:54:26.559
Kickstarter,

00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.481
like any goals that you have and anything

00:54:29.561 --> 00:54:31.101
else that they may be interested in.

00:54:31.463 --> 00:54:33.704
I'm trying to keep it like really as

00:54:33.744 --> 00:54:34.684
simple as possible.

00:54:34.764 --> 00:54:37.306
So obviously issue one is already out,

00:54:37.786 --> 00:54:39.568
but I always want to make sure that

00:54:39.608 --> 00:54:41.969
people can get hold of previous copies.

00:54:42.371 --> 00:54:45.612
So I think this being issue two,

00:54:45.932 --> 00:54:48.894
I think there's a PDF of issue two,

00:54:49.275 --> 00:54:51.077
a PDF of issues one and two.

00:54:52.014 --> 00:54:54.335
printed copy of issue two and a printed

00:54:54.356 --> 00:54:56.697
copy of issues one and two and then

00:54:56.757 --> 00:55:00.061
i'm doing uh foil art prints which is

00:55:00.501 --> 00:55:03.903
um the front cover of issue one and

00:55:03.923 --> 00:55:05.865
then there's not suitable for work front

00:55:05.905 --> 00:55:08.228
cover of issue one that i've got printing

00:55:08.307 --> 00:55:13.913
on them bookmarks and stickers like vinyl

00:55:13.932 --> 00:55:18.617
little vinyl stickers of the logo eidolons

00:55:19.012 --> 00:55:21.293
chest logo and the caucus skull.

00:55:21.474 --> 00:55:22.835
So three separate stickers.

00:55:23.434 --> 00:55:28.237
So that's its own, uh, uh, pledge thing.

00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:29.278
Um,

00:55:29.418 --> 00:55:31.219
and then one where you can appear in

00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:31.719
the comic, uh,

00:55:32.019 --> 00:55:34.101
which have only got three spaces.

00:55:34.161 --> 00:55:35.581
Cause obviously you've got to find a page

00:55:35.601 --> 00:55:37.083
where you can actually have people on it.

00:55:37.103 --> 00:55:37.242
Yeah.

00:55:38.061 --> 00:55:39.963
um and two of those have already gone

00:55:39.983 --> 00:55:41.523
so there's one of them left which i

00:55:41.543 --> 00:55:43.806
think is like fifty quid i really just

00:55:43.826 --> 00:55:46.126
wanted to keep it as absolutely as simple

00:55:46.146 --> 00:55:48.329
as possible um because i'm a guy that

00:55:48.349 --> 00:55:50.769
just wants to read comics and generally

00:55:51.851 --> 00:55:54.193
i'm not that i don't i know people

00:55:54.213 --> 00:55:55.833
a lot of people out there like varying

00:55:55.873 --> 00:55:57.914
covers i don't give a shit about varying

00:55:57.954 --> 00:56:00.817
covers generally um i want to read a

00:56:00.896 --> 00:56:02.898
comic and i guess maybe that's because i

00:56:02.978 --> 00:56:03.958
i would only pick up

00:56:04.847 --> 00:56:05.768
not only just a trade,

00:56:05.807 --> 00:56:07.367
but if there was a cover I like,

00:56:07.467 --> 00:56:08.268
I'll pick that one up.

00:56:08.309 --> 00:56:10.789
But I'm not worried about that.

00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:12.190
I won't do variant covers.

00:56:12.590 --> 00:56:15.893
I will put a variant of the artwork

00:56:16.512 --> 00:56:17.333
in the comic.

00:56:17.693 --> 00:56:18.653
So issue two,

00:56:18.713 --> 00:56:21.356
both issue one and issue two and issue

00:56:21.376 --> 00:56:22.456
three when I get it done,

00:56:22.815 --> 00:56:24.737
there is like a not suitable for work

00:56:24.797 --> 00:56:27.498
variant version of that cover artwork,

00:56:27.739 --> 00:56:29.380
but it's not going to be a variant

00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:29.980
comic.

00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:31.541
It will just be on the inside back

00:56:31.601 --> 00:56:32.061
page.

00:56:32.561 --> 00:56:33.161
There'll be

00:56:34.871 --> 00:56:36.693
the sort of version of it.

00:56:38.934 --> 00:56:41.275
Yeah, I just do as possible and go,

00:56:41.295 --> 00:56:42.596
look, if you want to read a comic,

00:56:43.416 --> 00:56:44.617
pledge here.

00:56:44.717 --> 00:56:46.257
And I'll do my best to keep the

00:56:46.297 --> 00:56:47.599
prices as low as possible.

00:56:48.259 --> 00:56:49.360
So I know the pound prices.

00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:50.820
I don't know the dollar, I'm afraid.

00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:52.961
But I think issue two,

00:56:53.001 --> 00:56:54.623
I'm doing for like three quid.

00:56:55.543 --> 00:56:56.884
And obviously, if that's a PDF,

00:56:57.643 --> 00:56:59.045
then you're not paying any postage.

00:56:59.085 --> 00:57:00.126
What's that going to be like?

00:57:00.286 --> 00:57:01.806
Four dollars, I think, maybe?

00:57:01.827 --> 00:57:03.768
Yeah, I think just shy of four dollars.

00:57:04.581 --> 00:57:05.942
for a thirty-two page comic.

00:57:06.702 --> 00:57:07.503
You know, I'm doing my... Yeah,

00:57:07.623 --> 00:57:09.163
a thirty-two page comic in the comic book

00:57:09.182 --> 00:57:10.244
shop is going to rain and eat nearly

00:57:10.264 --> 00:57:10.523
nothing.

00:57:11.143 --> 00:57:12.264
While I'm, you know,

00:57:12.344 --> 00:57:13.925
I have got another job and that brings

00:57:13.985 --> 00:57:15.264
enough in for me to get by,

00:57:15.905 --> 00:57:16.666
I'm like, look,

00:57:16.766 --> 00:57:17.965
I just want people to read this.

00:57:18.545 --> 00:57:20.027
And this is again why we talked about

00:57:20.146 --> 00:57:22.726
being on Global Comics because like seven

00:57:22.746 --> 00:57:24.128
hundred people have read it on Global

00:57:24.168 --> 00:57:27.048
Comics, which, you know, is pence,

00:57:27.309 --> 00:57:29.849
dollars, cents.

00:57:29.929 --> 00:57:32.090
But it's, how do you get that exposure,

00:57:32.230 --> 00:57:32.489
you know?

00:57:32.891 --> 00:57:34.190
You're getting it from Kickstarter.

00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.260
But let's start closing this out.

00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.182
Who is Legacy for?

00:57:41.204 --> 00:57:41.543
For me.

00:57:41.623 --> 00:57:45.085
Dude, I love that fucking answer,

00:57:45.106 --> 00:57:45.806
to be fair to you.

00:57:45.827 --> 00:57:47.648
At the end of the day,

00:57:48.068 --> 00:57:49.188
who are we doing this for?

00:57:50.289 --> 00:57:52.510
Obviously, yeah, completely to get it out,

00:57:52.630 --> 00:57:54.271
get that little niggle out,

00:57:54.311 --> 00:57:55.793
lack of my brain.

00:57:56.353 --> 00:57:57.054
I want it out there,

00:57:57.074 --> 00:57:59.034
but also I want people to read it.

00:57:59.275 --> 00:58:01.777
I've been asked this before, and...

00:58:02.768 --> 00:58:04.688
It's a mature reader comic for all the

00:58:04.708 --> 00:58:06.630
reasons that we've discussed.

00:58:08.692 --> 00:58:10.172
When she read the first issue,

00:58:10.432 --> 00:58:12.614
my daughter was sixteen, and I was like,

00:58:12.653 --> 00:58:13.994
do you want to read the first issue?

00:58:14.014 --> 00:58:15.076
And there was stuff in there she didn't

00:58:15.096 --> 00:58:16.056
particularly appreciate,

00:58:16.097 --> 00:58:16.856
as you can imagine.

00:58:16.916 --> 00:58:18.018
Of course, yeah.

00:58:18.057 --> 00:58:20.398
But I do think a sixteen-year-old is...

00:58:22.795 --> 00:58:24.896
I think her as a sixteen-year-old was

00:58:24.936 --> 00:58:26.458
mentally capable of reading it.

00:58:26.717 --> 00:58:27.498
I think there are possibly

00:58:27.539 --> 00:58:29.039
sixteen-year-olds out there that aren't

00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:29.840
mentally capable.

00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:31.721
There are twenty-five-year-olds out there

00:58:31.740 --> 00:58:33.282
that aren't mentally capable of reading

00:58:33.362 --> 00:58:33.461
it.

00:58:34.242 --> 00:58:38.505
But it's certainly aimed at I would hope

00:58:39.204 --> 00:58:41.626
I think it's going to help if you're

00:58:41.646 --> 00:58:42.527
a comic reader.

00:58:43.106 --> 00:58:43.847
If you're like me,

00:58:43.907 --> 00:58:47.048
you've grown up reading superheroes and

00:58:47.509 --> 00:58:50.731
maybe you're a little bit jaded by

00:58:51.248 --> 00:58:55.090
by the fact that it never ends.

00:58:55.550 --> 00:58:56.851
I want someone to come in,

00:58:56.951 --> 00:58:58.351
I want those readers to come in and

00:58:58.391 --> 00:58:59.811
go, this is different.

00:59:00.492 --> 00:59:02.373
This is the superhero that I've been

00:59:02.413 --> 00:59:05.074
wanting to read for the last few years

00:59:05.534 --> 00:59:06.875
and I haven't seen it elsewhere.

00:59:07.335 --> 00:59:09.115
And I'm not here to say there aren't

00:59:09.155 --> 00:59:10.675
other Kickstarters and other indie comics

00:59:10.735 --> 00:59:11.356
out there like that.

00:59:11.536 --> 00:59:13.036
There probably are because I'm not reading

00:59:13.056 --> 00:59:13.237
all.

00:59:13.797 --> 00:59:15.297
I don't think I've reinvented the wheel

00:59:15.338 --> 00:59:16.219
here, not at all.

00:59:16.838 --> 00:59:19.059
But I certainly think that what I've

00:59:19.099 --> 00:59:19.719
created

00:59:20.481 --> 00:59:22.320
if you've been reading comics a long time

00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:23.262
and you're just sort of like, oh,

00:59:23.282 --> 00:59:24.742
I can't read another Spider-Man,

00:59:24.762 --> 00:59:26.202
I can't read it, not because they're bad,

00:59:26.242 --> 00:59:27.802
but because it feels like I've been doing

00:59:27.822 --> 00:59:28.902
it since I was a teen,

00:59:29.682 --> 00:59:30.583
this is where you come.

00:59:30.623 --> 00:59:33.143
You come to Legacy Idols and Bones because

00:59:33.523 --> 00:59:35.585
what happens to these characters will stay

00:59:35.644 --> 00:59:37.304
happened to these characters.

00:59:38.945 --> 00:59:40.266
No magic healing overnight.

00:59:41.005 --> 00:59:41.266
Yeah,

00:59:41.726 --> 00:59:44.206
and it's going to be consequences for

00:59:44.306 --> 00:59:44.786
everything.

00:59:44.827 --> 00:59:45.226
As I say,

00:59:45.407 --> 00:59:49.047
even that kids menu that you see in

00:59:49.088 --> 00:59:49.887
the first issue,

00:59:51.351 --> 00:59:53.192
That's got a lot more to it than

00:59:53.231 --> 00:59:54.452
it just being a kid's menu.

00:59:55.072 --> 00:59:57.574
You will see little things like that will

00:59:57.594 --> 01:00:00.876
come back in issue three that I'm working

01:00:01.097 --> 01:00:01.478
on now.

01:00:02.538 --> 01:00:03.559
That's freaking awesome, dude,

01:00:03.579 --> 01:00:05.440
that you're maintaining continuity

01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:10.764
throughout each one and not just like, oh,

01:00:11.083 --> 01:00:12.144
he had an arm ripped off.

01:00:13.126 --> 01:00:14.726
Well, it did happen in issue two.

01:00:15.686 --> 01:00:15.827
No,

01:00:15.947 --> 01:00:17.648
you're still seeing those effects in issue

01:00:17.688 --> 01:00:17.907
two.

01:00:18.248 --> 01:00:19.588
So that's really cool that you're doing

01:00:19.628 --> 01:00:19.829
that.

01:00:20.228 --> 01:00:20.829
But Gary,

01:00:20.889 --> 01:00:22.710
plug your work for everybody so they know

01:00:22.791 --> 01:00:25.192
where to find you.

01:00:25.351 --> 01:00:26.152
So as we say,

01:00:26.192 --> 01:00:27.952
it's on Kickstarter at the moment.

01:00:28.432 --> 01:00:30.755
So if you search for legacy iris and

01:00:30.775 --> 01:00:31.255
bones,

01:00:32.014 --> 01:00:34.496
it would come up and it is issue.

01:00:34.735 --> 01:00:36.016
The Kickstarter is issue two,

01:00:36.056 --> 01:00:37.797
but obviously it is issues one and two.

01:00:38.876 --> 01:00:40.217
So chances are that, you know,

01:00:40.318 --> 01:00:41.820
if you haven't read issue one,

01:00:41.860 --> 01:00:43.942
which the vast majority of the population,

01:00:44.382 --> 01:00:46.985
then go to Kickstarter and get both of

01:00:47.005 --> 01:00:47.226
them.

01:00:47.847 --> 01:00:49.668
If you are on Global Comics,

01:00:49.708 --> 01:00:51.210
then issue one, again,

01:00:51.230 --> 01:00:53.313
just search for Legacy Isles Bones.

01:00:53.737 --> 01:00:55.418
issue one is on there i'm going to

01:00:55.438 --> 01:00:57.197
be completely honest i'm not going to put

01:00:57.277 --> 01:00:59.398
issue two on for a good few months

01:00:59.458 --> 01:01:02.840
yet um i want the kickstarter to really

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:04.639
have you know had the chance to do

01:01:04.659 --> 01:01:06.141
well and i don't want people to think

01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:08.420
well i won't do the kickstarter because

01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:11.342
i'll just read it on global comics yeah

01:01:11.382 --> 01:01:13.643
you know i'm gonna leave that a couple

01:01:13.663 --> 01:01:15.422
of months it will go on there but

01:01:15.443 --> 01:01:17.364
just not straight away but i will i

01:01:17.403 --> 01:01:20.704
will keep adding to global comics um i'd

01:01:20.969 --> 01:01:23.130
created a Facebook group.

01:01:23.170 --> 01:01:25.150
I was quite specific to create a Facebook

01:01:25.170 --> 01:01:26.492
group, not Facebook page,

01:01:26.891 --> 01:01:29.833
because I want conversation.

01:01:29.873 --> 01:01:31.532
You know, if I did it,

01:01:31.552 --> 01:01:33.373
I'm the only person that can post on

01:01:33.414 --> 01:01:33.554
it.

01:01:33.893 --> 01:01:35.295
Whereas if it's a Facebook group,

01:01:35.835 --> 01:01:37.094
I want the people that have read it.

01:01:37.114 --> 01:01:38.335
And even if you didn't like it,

01:01:38.476 --> 01:01:39.635
just post, you know, on it.

01:01:39.655 --> 01:01:40.315
And, you know,

01:01:40.416 --> 01:01:42.016
I want conversation on there.

01:01:42.657 --> 01:01:44.938
So I'm really hoping that when, you know,

01:01:45.018 --> 01:01:47.077
issue two lands and people's emails are on

01:01:47.097 --> 01:01:47.838
their doorstep,

01:01:48.498 --> 01:01:49.398
I am going to be sort of like,

01:01:49.418 --> 01:01:49.539
look,

01:01:50.458 --> 01:01:51.239
what'd you think of it?

01:01:51.318 --> 01:01:52.719
Get onto the Facebook page.

01:01:53.019 --> 01:01:53.201
Yeah.

01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:54.221
Uh, there's a,

01:01:54.362 --> 01:01:55.663
I've got an Instagram for it.

01:01:55.682 --> 01:01:57.585
So I'm sharing, uh,

01:01:57.684 --> 01:01:59.686
images and things on there as well.

01:02:00.487 --> 01:02:01.327
Um, yeah,

01:02:01.367 --> 01:02:03.829
just trying to get in your old blue

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sky as Gary Sears, blue sky.

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I mean, cause I have, so I have,

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um,

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uh on instagram obviously got a gary

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seawood instagram and then i've got some

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bones instagram uh on blue sky i've only

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got blue sky so you might see a

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picture of like my dog or something like

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that yeah hey i share my cats all

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the time it's no wrong with it but

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gary i want to say thank you for

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coming on man it was been a blast

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pleasure i love talking comics and i don't

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have

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uh really any comic book friends you got

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my instagram and you got my facebook so

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feel free to hit us by people time

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you want to talk about not just my

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comic but just to talk comics i could

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sit here for like ten hours with you

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mate but take some more whatever it is

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But, yeah, dude, don't be afraid.

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Hit us up.

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We'll talk about comic books all day.

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Issue three in another four months or so,

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and I'll be back on again.

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Let's do it.

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Hey, shoot me a message.

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You know how to do it now?

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I will do it.

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I've got your email.

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Perfect.

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Thank you.

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So every universe begins somewhere,

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sometimes with the questions,

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sometimes with a sketch,

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sometimes with the creator deciding that

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the story they've carried for years

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deserves to finally exist.

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Legacy,

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Idols and Bones is more than a comic.

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It's a commitment to building something

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lasting in a space where indie voices

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continue to redefine what modern mythology

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looks like.

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Gary, again,

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thank you for bringing us into your world

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and to everyone watching.

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If you believe in universes,

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bold storytelling,

01:03:48.755 --> 01:03:51.036
and the future of indie comics,

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support the mission, join the legacy.

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The Council of Nerds is adjourned.

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This has been the United States Department

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of Nerds, where indie comics come to life.

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Y'all be safe and happy Valentine's Day.

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Thank you.

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Gary.