1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Welcome to the We Are More podcast. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,600 My name is Alyssa. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 And my name's Bri. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,600 We're two sisters passionate about all things faith and feminism. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,520 We believe that Jesus trusted, respected, and encouraged women to teach and preach His 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,520 word. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,720 And apparently that's controversial. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,360 Get comfy. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,760 There it is. 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:47,160 Hi, and welcome to episode six. 11 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,720 I have no idea. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,840 They're blending together. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,760 We need to look that up before we start recording. 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Welcome to episode six. 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Could be eight. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,400 No, pretty sure it's six. 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:08,200 It's confusing because we upload every two weeks, but we're recording them ahead. 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Mm hmm. 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,200 So right. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,200 You didn't know that, did you? 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,200 We talk about that all the time. 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,200 I thought it was a secret. 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,200 You know what? 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,200 Look how much louder we are now. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Wow. 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Look at us go. 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,200 They're ready for us. 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:29,000 So because you guys are listening a little bit later, I believe episode four just went 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 up. 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,540 Yes, it did. 31 00:01:31,540 --> 00:01:35,800 So our modesty episode is the one that went up just this last Thursday. 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,340 We're super proud of that one. 33 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:38,340 Super proud. 34 00:01:38,340 --> 00:01:40,640 We got a lot of really great responses. 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Did anybody follow along with the game? 36 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:47,920 I don't think we talked about the game. 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,400 I think it should be a game. 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,040 Go back and listen again to episode four. 39 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Take a little sip of water. 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Every time we say boobs, just water. 41 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Just water. 42 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,320 That's all. 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Jesus turned water into wine. 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,400 You could do wine. 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Maybe if you pray hard enough. 46 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,600 I think we're crossing over. 47 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,480 We're tiptoeing through. 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,240 So we got really cool responses from the Modesty podcast. 49 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,320 Probably more responses off of that one than we have in the past. 50 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Yeah, I would agree. 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,760 And I think that's because that tends to be a very hot button issue. 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,600 It does seem to be a hot button issue. 53 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:33,080 Yeah, I mean, it's something that affects, you know, a lot of what we talk about affects 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,800 women specifically in the Christian world, but that hits all women. 55 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,920 Yeah, across the board. 56 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:47,000 And we have a little bit of a different perspective on it because of our faith, but it's still, 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,720 it's just a universal truth, unfortunately, that women are expected to dress a certain 58 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,720 way. 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Isn't that a quote from a classic book? 60 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,560 It is a universal truth. 61 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Yes, it's from Pride and Prejudice. 62 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Yes! 63 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,760 I'm literate! 64 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,760 It's a truth universally acknowledged that a single man of good fortune must be in want 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,760 of a wife. 66 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,640 I think that was like our first like post. 67 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:13,640 Instagram. 68 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,640 I was very proud of that. 69 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:20,920 We just were like tiptoeing into the verge of blasphemy. 70 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:24,160 Nope, that's not it. 71 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,120 Man, I'm an editor. 72 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,120 I should know that. 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,120 What is that word? 74 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,680 What word are you looking for? 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,680 When you- 76 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Plagiarism. 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Plagiarism. 78 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,680 That's the word. 79 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Plagiarism. 80 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Just a touch. 81 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Just a little plagiarism. 82 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:41,680 Just a little taste. 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,680 She's long gone. 84 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,680 It's fine. 85 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,680 She doesn't care anymore. 86 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Yeah, so that was a really good one. 87 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Well, I think we'll talk a little bit about some of the feedback we got as well last week 88 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,320 one. 89 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Yes, we may. 90 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,320 We may. 91 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,320 We very well may. 92 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,440 At least it's on the outline. 93 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,760 So today we wanted to answer a couple of questions. 94 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,520 We're kind of taking a little bit of a break from our really heavy topics. 95 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,520 It's been quite heavy. 96 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:13,520 It has. 97 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,600 And I hope you guys have enjoyed that. 98 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:23,960 I think especially with the modesty when we talked about it and it was a hard topic, but 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,800 we felt like it needed to be heavy and not just funny, even though we like to be funny. 100 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Even though we are hilarious. 101 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:30,800 We are so funny. 102 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Mostly me. 103 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Our voices sound so similar though, so sometimes you really can't tell who's saying what. 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,960 When I edit, sometimes I'm like, did I say that? 105 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:42,960 I know. 106 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,360 So, sorry if that's the case. 107 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Hi, my name's Brianna and I like warm hugs. 108 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,760 No, you don't. 109 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,200 I hate them actually. 110 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Please stay away. 111 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,600 I think it won't help either. 112 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,160 Should we have, like, should we video this someday? 113 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Because we look so similar. 114 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Yeah, we do. 115 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,400 People are not going to, we're going to mess people up. 116 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:11,600 So we're going to address a couple of the questions today that we have gotten from people 117 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,240 that we have heard. 118 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,480 And are just like common questions for women who believe the way that we do. 119 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Right. 120 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,360 So we're going to dive into that a little bit. 121 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,360 This may be a little bit of a shorter podcast. 122 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,640 They've been running long lately. 123 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,640 I know. 124 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,840 I feel like people deserve a little bit of a break. 125 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:29,840 Yeah. 126 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,200 So we just have to be really, really funny this time. 127 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Or I can just sing more. 128 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,580 You sing so much. 129 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:41,320 I'm a little nasally today, so maybe it's not the best idea today. 130 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,720 I just finished editing episode five. 131 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,360 Yeah, so we are on six. 132 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:51,960 I just finished editing episode five and I, you sang no less than five times. 133 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,240 There's a song for everything. 134 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,920 I cut out several so they don't get to hear all of them. 135 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,000 There's several people who would agree with me. 136 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Should we name them? 137 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,740 I have a cloud of witnesses. 138 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:07,120 You have a family full of witnesses. 139 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:14,240 So the first question we're going to go through is, I think what comes from people that are 140 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,880 not necessarily religious or people that have stepped away from the church, things like 141 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,200 that. 142 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:27,640 And that is why have we stayed in the church and why do we continue to follow God? 143 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:34,160 And I think that's such an important question because it's confusing. 144 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,080 It is confusing. 145 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:42,160 Because if we really have seen what we've seen and have been told things that we've 146 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,480 told you guys about, you know what we've heard, why would we stay? 147 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,600 Yeah, it seems like it's against everything that we would stand for. 148 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:59,480 So we have been diving into that with each other a little bit and just chatting about 149 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,480 it. 150 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,960 We have similar reasons and different reasons. 151 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:12,360 So Bri, one of the things that you have talked a lot about is that you tried to leave church. 152 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,360 Yeah. 153 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:19,160 I would say one of the things I wanted to bring up is there comes a point in everybody's 154 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,120 life where you have to decide what you want to believe for yourself. 155 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,060 So I feel like for us, we both grew up in church. 156 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:30,240 We both went to Christian schools. 157 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,640 And as much as I didn't go to Christian colleges, correction. 158 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,440 I went to Christian schools when I was really little. 159 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Yeah. 160 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:41,440 With Curtis. 161 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,440 Curtis is my boyfriend. 162 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Maybe he'll be my husband one day. 163 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,800 We can show him the podcast. 164 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Maybe he's listening. 165 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,840 What a fun story. 166 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,840 That would be a fun story. 167 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,840 I sought you out. 168 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Sorry, I threw up. 169 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,600 I hope people listen to the last of the words. 170 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,400 No sense. 171 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,640 But you just grow up in the faith for so long. 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,080 You go to a school or I went to a school that chapel wasn't really required, but I'm still 173 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,580 surrounded by people who are like minded in faith to me. 174 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:21,640 So once I got out of college, I didn't really know what to do with myself. 175 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,680 I would say I was a little bit depressed. 176 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,280 I think that would be easy for me to say. 177 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,100 Because now I'm having to figure out why I believe the things that I believe and why 178 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:37,520 God is putting me in these situations or do I think that God exists. 179 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,600 And I think that's really common for a lot of people. 180 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,680 You have to make your faith your own. 181 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:51,360 Especially people our age, I think have, you know, our parents, it was just expected. 182 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,360 You just go to church. 183 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,120 That's how it is, and it's not really expected for people in our age group. 184 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,480 So you do have to really deconstruct and then figure out where you want to go from here. 185 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Yeah. 186 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,240 Also, it's like, it's scary going into a church by yourself. 187 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,760 It's not very fun, especially if you're going into smaller churches, because those people 188 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,880 have already made their connections. 189 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Right. 190 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Well, and one of the things that you've talked a lot about too, that I think is super important 191 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,100 to bring up is as a single person, you are literally having to walk in alone. 192 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:24,480 You don't have that extra person on your side. 193 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,080 Yeah, for sure. 194 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,520 And so much of church is geared towards married people or people in relationships. 195 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,480 It's like either kids or married people. 196 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,520 And if you're single, there's something wrong with you. 197 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,440 And if you're single, that's a whole nother topic. 198 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,520 We're actually, we've talked about, we're going to go into what it looks like to be 199 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,200 a single woman in the church and what it looks like to be a married woman in the church in 200 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,360 future episodes, but get excited for that. 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,040 But yeah, you have to make your faith your own. 202 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:02,160 And I kind of started by a lot of journaling, a lot of self reflecting. 203 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,680 So with all of that, once you had kind of deconstructed, what made you feel like you 204 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:12,000 still wanted to be in church, even if you did have faith? 205 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:19,320 I feel like God keeps calling you back and it's hard to explain, but there was this tug 206 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,640 of my heart, like, get back in there. 207 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,640 I still love you. 208 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,640 I still love you. 209 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:30,240 And I think a big part of me coming back to faith was when grandpa got sick actually. 210 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,440 And he lived his life. 211 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,960 He wasn't a Christian for a good chunk of his life. 212 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,080 Till I was born. 213 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,080 Yeah. 214 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,080 So 1992 he was born. 215 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Hey, rude. 216 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,080 I'm so sorry I got you out. 217 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,520 I'm so rude of me. 218 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Sister to sister. 219 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,520 She was born in 2008. 220 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:54,240 But for a big part of his life, he was not a Christian, but then he did become a Christian 221 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,480 and he spent his whole life like every morning he would pray over this huge list of people 222 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,120 and not just like, Oh, pray for Brianna. 223 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Oh, pray for Alyssa. 224 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,180 It was like in detail about everybody's life. 225 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:12,160 And it was this huge list of people and his faith was so strong. 226 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:18,540 And I thought if I can be even a quarter of what he is, that would be amazing for me. 227 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:24,080 So I started diving deeper into the Bible, deeper into going to church, finding a small 228 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,080 group. 229 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,280 And actually, I think that's what helped me get through when he did pass away, because 230 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,480 I did have that connection back with God. 231 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,600 And I have this whole journal saved over there of going through that time. 232 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,380 And there's so many emotions. 233 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:42,360 Like God keeps calling you back. 234 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Well, I think one of the big things that you're talking about there is just having a community. 235 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,200 And you know, we'll go into this a little bit later. 236 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:58,360 I think the Bible calls you into community with people who believe the same way that 237 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,560 you do or believe not exactly the same way. 238 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,640 You're never going to find somebody that has exactly the same opinions. 239 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Not even you and I share all of the same opinions. 240 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,040 No. 241 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,120 I think I'm prettier than you. 242 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 That's incorrect. 243 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,400 But I think, you know, what you found at that time and what you needed at that time was 244 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,400 community. 245 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,320 And, you know, community can look different for different people. 246 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,480 And we'll go into that later too. 247 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:33,260 But I think that's part of God tugging on your heart is saying it's hard to live this 248 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:35,000 life alone. 249 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Yeah, it is. 250 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Which is a struggle for me because I am an introvert and let me tell you, my greatest 251 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,600 joy is to live life alone. 252 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,560 But I don't think that's totally true for you. 253 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:48,560 It's not. 254 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,760 And that's, you know, the wisdom of what's in the Bible and things like that is I left 255 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,760 to my own devices would have you and Nathan and that is the end of the list. 256 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,040 Well, maybe our parents and a few other members of our family. 257 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,240 No, but I mean, the list would be short, I guess is what I'm saying. 258 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:12,520 I wouldn't seek anyone out and create relationships because it's just not who I am naturally. 259 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,920 But there come times like when grandpa passed away, like when you have major tragedies in 260 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:27,360 your life or major great things in your life, that it does become important to have people 261 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:34,360 that you can count on and know that like you share a similar life with. 262 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,440 Yeah, I guess. 263 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,840 I think there is kind of a special bond, even if you meet someone in the workforce or something, 264 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,840 and you know that they're also they have a similar belief system to you. 265 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,400 There is kind of a special bond there. 266 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,400 Yeah. 267 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,520 Well, yeah, because you can talk about things a little bit differently. 268 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,520 Yeah. 269 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,680 You can say even things like I'll pray for you and not feel weird about it. 270 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:58,840 Well, it feels like and this is a very different topic, but as Christians, I think a lot of 271 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:04,800 times we, especially in the workforce, feel that we need to hide our beliefs in who we 272 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,800 are. 273 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,800 Yeah. 274 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,480 And so, yeah, when you find somebody, you kind of cling on to them. 275 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,760 You're like, oh, we can talk about this. 276 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Right. 277 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Even though it might not be everything you talk about, you might not talk about it hardly 278 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,280 ever. 279 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,160 But there's just like a camaraderie. 280 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Yeah. 281 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,840 So I think, like we said, community is super important. 282 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:31,280 And we believe that God is calling us into community in however that looks for you. 283 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Yeah, like I would say, like for grandma, her church people are her people. 284 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Right. 285 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,320 I went to church with her fairly recently. 286 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,440 And you can just tell she's so at home surrounded by this, you know, her friends, her family, 287 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,720 and that's where she fills her cup. 288 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,080 That's where she gets energized. 289 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Not that she doesn't get energized when we're around, but it's just different. 290 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Yeah. 291 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,920 But for me, not necessarily that level of community. 292 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:02,040 I've changed churches a lot, and I'm currently in the process of trying to find a church 293 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,040 home. 294 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,680 So community is fluid. 295 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Yeah. 296 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,960 And I think, you know, I've brought this up several times this week as we talk about the 297 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,320 podcast with our family and friends. 298 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:22,320 And we say this absolutely all the time, but it's important to remember that your reality, 299 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,880 or my reality in this case, is not everyone's reality. 300 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:33,920 So while the church community might be what works for you today right now, that community 301 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,080 may change over time. 302 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,080 Right. 303 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,080 And that's okay. 304 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,920 And I think something that I've been afraid of in my life is to be considered a church 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:42,920 hopper. 306 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Like, I have this deep fear of being considered a church hopper. 307 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,400 I have talked about this in therapy. 308 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,900 So I've been very afraid of that, and that has kept me in communities that didn't function 309 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:55,900 for me anymore. 310 00:15:55,900 --> 00:16:00,220 So I think it's okay for your church community to be a little bit fluid. 311 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:04,360 It's okay to find a faith community outside of church also. 312 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,900 Yeah, for sure. 313 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:10,760 For me, like people that I work with now, shout out to you if you're listening, I do 314 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,480 also have a community of faith people at work now. 315 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Which is so cool. 316 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Yeah. 317 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Yeah. 318 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:23,060 And you know, when the Bible talks about having a faith community, it's really not talking 319 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:27,240 about what we know as church today. 320 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Oh, nice, smooth transition. 321 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Thank you. 322 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,720 Yes. 323 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,420 So we talked... 324 00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:38,200 In which podcast? 325 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Probably all of them. 326 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Yeah, but we specifically... 327 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,800 I think in the last podcast, we very specifically... 328 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,000 Yeah, because we talked about women in leadership. 329 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,440 We very specifically talked about the structure of the early church. 330 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 And it was so different. 331 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Yeah, it's not only Sunday. 332 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,880 Your whole life was for the church. 333 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,000 Your occupation was pretty much for the church. 334 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,520 Well, they needed each other on a whole different level. 335 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,800 They were starting a new religion that was being persecuted. 336 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,240 They had to have each other. 337 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:17,600 And so if you brought them into our modern day churches, they would be like, what the 338 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,960 heck? 339 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,960 This is sad. 340 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Like, it's just not enough. 341 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Where's your faith? 342 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Right. 343 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Because we have a very specific structure of the way church functions. 344 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,600 And I think we've made fun of that a little bit before. 345 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,600 Just a little bit. 346 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,520 You sing three songs and then you go into announcements and then you go into the message 347 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,520 and then... 348 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,520 I'll shut up. 349 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,520 And then you sing one more song. 350 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Yeah. 351 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,520 You pray and you leave. 352 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,160 But that wouldn't have been familiar to them. 353 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,360 That wouldn't have been familiar to the writers of the Bible who were asking you to be in 354 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:52,360 community anyway. 355 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:53,360 Yeah. 356 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:59,520 So, all that to say, and I'm sure we may dive a little deeper into that later too, but... 357 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,520 Stop singing. 358 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,160 That's from the Princess and the Frog. 359 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:10,880 But I think it's important to just remember that a faith community can be fluid, depending 360 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,920 on where you're at in your life, depending on what you've dealt with with the church. 361 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:24,680 I've personally found a lot of faith building moments by myself. 362 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:31,280 When I was in between churches, I would drive over to this lake not too far from here and 363 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:37,640 I would listen to whatever church service I found that I liked on my phone and I would 364 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,120 have my breakfast there and I would pray and I would sing some songs because I love to 365 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:44,840 sing. 366 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:52,680 And that was kind of like community to me because I was with God and my phone. 367 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,440 Always good to be in community with your phone. 368 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,440 Social, Alyssa. 369 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,440 All right. 370 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,840 So bouncing off of that a little bit because I want to... 371 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,840 There's parts of that that I want to come back to because we aren't saying don't be 372 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:06,840 in church at all. 373 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,920 We're just saying church can look a little different for different people. 374 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,760 Yeah, absolutely. 375 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:19,720 But for me, part of why I stayed is because I don't believe that all of the garbage that 376 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:26,160 we talk about in churches, all the patriarchy, all of the extremism, the lacking women in 377 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,800 leadership, things like that, I don't believe that's what God wants for his church or for 378 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,520 his people. 379 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,560 I think that is a messed up version. 380 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:40,760 If I don't believe that this is what God intended or wants for his church or for his people, 381 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,480 then I feel a responsibility and I'm not saying that everyone needs to feel this responsibility, 382 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:51,120 but I feel a responsibility to help change that. 383 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,040 To help make it better. 384 00:19:53,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Because I think if you let the church just sort of wallow in misinformation and tradition... 385 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Well, there's a song, actually a church song that says, break down the walls of all my 386 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,720 religion. 387 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,160 Something of all my tradition. 388 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,160 You really don't know the Christian songs, do you? 389 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,160 I do! 390 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,160 I do. 391 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,360 It says your way is better. 392 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,640 That's what it says. 393 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,880 But I think it's at least for us and we're doing it in a different way because we absolutely 394 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,400 did very recently leave a church over this exact topic. 395 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,680 And I'm not saying stay in a church that's harmful to you and your belief system. 396 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:50,680 What I'm saying is I personally didn't want to give up on the whole institution because 397 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,960 I want more for God's community. 398 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Not that I can do it on my own, that God couldn't do it on his own, but just that I feel like 399 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,960 there's something here for us to contribute. 400 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,640 And that's why we're here. 401 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,100 That's why we started the podcast. 402 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,440 I had to talk Bri into it. 403 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,880 Actually, the pastor talked Bri into it. 404 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,840 Don't you remember after that one sermon I said, so Bree... 405 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,100 Yeah, he did. 406 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,560 He didn't even know he did. 407 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,860 Yeah, well he kind of tried to opposite it. 408 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:34,340 And then another aspect of me staying in church was for my family. 409 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:37,840 And that sounds a little bit weird, like, I don't need it, but my family does. 410 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,880 No, I think that's a very valid reason. 411 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:48,280 I have said before, so a lot of people in our family homeschool and I've been asked... 412 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,280 We were personally homeschooled. 413 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,280 We were. 414 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Not the whole time, but for a little while. 415 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,280 I think four years. 416 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,280 It was four. 417 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,280 Yeah. 418 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,960 And so I have been asked many times, like, oh, why don't you homeschool? 419 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Because my daughter and eventually my son are in public school. 420 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,760 And that's a big no-no. 421 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,440 And I've been asked a lot of times why I don't homeschool. 422 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:16,640 And the biggest reason is because as a working parent, I don't have the capacity to be responsible 423 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160 for my children's education. 424 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,120 If you do, that's great. 425 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,120 No judgment. 426 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,560 No judgment, because we were homeschooled ourselves. 427 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Right. 428 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,560 But just personally, that's not something that works for me. 429 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,120 And I feel the same way about church. 430 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:37,960 We had left the church for many, many years and I started to see in my daughter that she 431 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:45,400 didn't know the Bible stories and she wasn't praying and kind of all those little things. 432 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:51,880 And I realized it was because I was the only one responsible for it and I was failing. 433 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,680 And there's power in knowing that you don't know everything and having other people in 434 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,840 your life, like not one teacher in high school is responsible for everything when you go. 435 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,480 There's other people, you know what I'm trying to say. 436 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,480 I got you. 437 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:14,680 And it's that part of the community, I think, is so important to have other people to help 438 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,440 your family along. 439 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,920 It takes a village. 440 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,920 Right. 441 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,440 And I mean, I think, you know, we were not raised in a religion where you really had 442 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,840 like godparents. 443 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,760 But I like aspects of that because I like the idea of here's somebody else who's going 444 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,080 to help you with your child's faith. 445 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080 A spirit guide. 446 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,680 Instead of a godparent, I want spirit guides. 447 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Okay, if you have kids someday, I'll be their spirit guide. 448 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,080 Okay. 449 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,080 Great. 450 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,560 So yeah, that's that was a huge thing for me was I just I needed other people to come 451 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,560 alongside me because I will forget things. 452 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,200 I won't tell the story right. 453 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,600 I will be the first person to say you have a terrible memory. 454 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,600 I do. 455 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,600 It's really bad. 456 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600 The worst memory out there. 457 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,600 That's why we had a whole discussion about what this podcast was going to look like this 458 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,600 morning. 459 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,360 And I, Brianna, if you paid me a million dollars, I cannot tell you a thing we talked 460 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:18,360 about. 461 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,360 I know. 462 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,360 That's why we haven't outlined. 463 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,360 Yeah. 464 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,480 Not that it sounds like it. 465 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:33,000 But basically, we just we believe that there's better out there for the church. 466 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,960 And there are aspects of the church today that we enjoy. 467 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Bri talked a little bit about worship. 468 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:48,240 Yeah, I think there's I've experienced good worship music, worship music in churches. 469 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,600 And I just personally, it's like a magic feeling when you're in a big church and they're all 470 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 singing the songs and the lights are low. 471 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,920 You just really feel God in that space in a different way than me in my car alone, where 472 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,420 I still could feel God in that space, too. 473 00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:05,420 It's just different. 474 00:25:05,420 --> 00:25:06,420 Yeah. 475 00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:07,800 And for you, that's super important. 476 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,400 For my husband, Nathan, as well, it's it's something that we really focus on when we're 477 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,000 looking at a church. 478 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Yeah. 479 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,000 He's a musician. 480 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,080 So that's huge for him. 481 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,800 I am also a musician. 482 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800 You sure. 483 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,520 I'm not. 484 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,720 When we were in high school, you did talk about band camp on the last one time in best 485 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720 year when I played the flute. 486 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Now they know I'm not going to continue that. 487 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,920 Yeah, so that's kind of the answer to those questions. 488 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:49,320 If you have more questions about that, I would love for you to send us a message on Instagram. 489 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,760 You can find us at we are more dot podcast or Facebook at the same one. 490 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,240 I'd also love to maybe have a section where we share people's stories if they were comfortable 491 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,240 with that. 492 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,240 Yeah. 493 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:05,600 So share a story of why you stayed in your church or why you maybe left a church or just 494 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,600 share your stories. 495 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,600 Yeah. 496 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600 So you can find us on Instagram or Facebook. 497 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,320 It is we are more dot podcast on both of those platforms. 498 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,520 And actually, we just started a YouTube channel. 499 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Look at us go. 500 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,120 So you can comment there as well. 501 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,080 And soon I will make a Tik Tok. 502 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,280 And maybe eventually we will make a Tik Tok. 503 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,880 I'm so Gen Z and I'm so hip with the times. 504 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,880 So hip. 505 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,880 People say that about you all the time. 506 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,880 They say I have hips. 507 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:38,400 We didn't get that gene. 508 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,840 They say my hips don't lie. 509 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Do they? 510 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,840 No, they don't. 511 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,840 They say I lie. 512 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,120 We're 34 minutes in and we haven't gotten to question two. 513 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,360 Question numero dos. 514 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:58,600 So this one comes from, I think, the more Christian side of things. 515 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,860 So we're kind of switching it up a little bit, answering a question from each group 516 00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:03,860 of people. 517 00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:04,860 Yeah. 518 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:08,000 So this question gets thrown at feminists a lot. 519 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,580 So like I said, we're switching gears. 520 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,160 And honestly, I'm not great at catching. 521 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,720 No, neither of us are. 522 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,640 We should not get that gene either. 523 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,640 Nope. 524 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,740 And I've seen it actually. 525 00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:20,600 So we follow or I follow, I guess. 526 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,600 I don't know if you do. 527 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,600 I do actually. 528 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,920 And so Sheila Ray Gregoire, she wrote The Great Sex Rescue. 529 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,920 You're not allowed to say that. 530 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,640 You say that every time I say that word. 531 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320 And she's just awesome. 532 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,320 We just love her. 533 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,240 But she has been diving into some very controversial stuff lately that I think we'll loop back 534 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,240 to at the end. 535 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,520 But close the loop? 536 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 Yeah, closing the loop. 537 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,800 But she has been getting this question all the time lately. 538 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,740 And I just think it's so important to address. 539 00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:00,960 So the question is, why do we hate men? 540 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,960 Because! 541 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,960 Kidding. 542 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:10,280 And like I said, feminists hear this all the time. 543 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,960 Clearly because you're angry about men taking all the power, that means you must hate all 544 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,960 men. 545 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,960 Obviously. 546 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Obviously. 547 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,560 And the answer is very simply, we don't. 548 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,560 We don't. 549 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,560 We don't. 550 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,560 Never have? 551 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,560 No. 552 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,560 I think, I know so many great men. 553 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,360 You could never call me a sexist. 554 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,520 I'm friends with so many. 555 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,520 So shut it! 556 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,120 Hey, have you heard episode, possibly two? 557 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,120 I don't remember. 558 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,120 I think it was three. 559 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760 I'm not sure. 560 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,680 So I think what it boils down to is that, you know, people see feminists, I shouldn't 561 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:03,640 say people, the more conservative people that dislike the feminist movement, the stereotype 562 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320 is usually that feminists are angry. 563 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,600 They hate all men. 564 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,320 They're burning their bras and growing their armpit hair. 565 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,320 Which maybe would be better. 566 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,320 Maybe. 567 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,440 I do grow my armpit hair sometimes. 568 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,680 Let's get real real. 569 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,560 And the reality is like, it's just silly. 570 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,280 Well, I mean, I could do the same thing. 571 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,280 I could turn around and look at them and say, why do you hate women? 572 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,280 Right. 573 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,280 Exactly. 574 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,080 Why do you want to oppress me? 575 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,200 We don't hate men in any way. 576 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,720 What we hate is this attitude that men are superior. 577 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,720 Yes. 578 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,720 We hate the system. 579 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Yeah. 580 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,560 And taking power away from women, taking autonomy away from women. 581 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,560 In the name of God. 582 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,560 Exactly. 583 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,560 Yeah. 584 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,560 I mean, we hate it all over. 585 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,320 Don't get me wrong, specifically. 586 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,320 Because I think when you use God there, there's just so much more manipulation. 587 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,320 Uh huh. 588 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Well, you're clearly not a Christian or whatever. 589 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320 Like your faith isn't as strong. 590 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Right. 591 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:17,080 And if you can tell someone that the God of the universe hates them, if they do something 592 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,000 wrong, if they don't submit to their husband, if they try to lead in church, if they step 593 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,760 out of line in any way, that's a lot bigger of a threat than just, well, but your husband's 594 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,440 angry at you or society's angry at you. 595 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,440 Right. 596 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,080 That's calling your eternity into question now. 597 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,280 So that's a whole different thing. 598 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,520 So that's what it boils down to. 599 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:50,080 And there are lots and lots of incredible men out there fighting for women in the church. 600 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Yeah. 601 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,720 I mean, and honestly, we've also seen men in our lives recently really come around to what 602 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,720 we've been saying. 603 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,720 Absolutely. 604 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Shout out to dad. 605 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Yeah. 606 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,720 Yeah. 607 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Well, I think, you know, and we talked a little bit about how our parents never really lived 608 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,840 the husband is the head of the household submission lifestyle. 609 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Yeah. 610 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,320 But they absolutely preached it. 611 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,080 Like it was because that's how they were raised. 612 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,680 And so my dad would have told you that that's how it was. 613 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,680 Yeah. 614 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480 And our dad is like a big macho guy. 615 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,480 Okay. 616 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Like you would believe him that he would assume that he felt this way. 617 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,120 But not only is he, he really has never been that way. 618 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,880 He's never been one to like assert authority over my mom. 619 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:46,160 But also, as we've been talking about this, I've watched like the way that he speaks about 620 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,640 things totally change. 621 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,520 Yeah, absolutely. 622 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,640 He does still make some jokes, but that's just who he is as a person. 623 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680 And we love it because it's just like us. 624 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,880 That's where we get it. 625 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,840 And Nathan, my husband, you know, when we, when I first started down this journey, it 626 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,840 was kind of by myself. 627 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,080 Nathan and I have really never lived like that either. 628 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,440 But again, we grew up like this. 629 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,520 Yeah, we were taught. 630 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:20,360 And so to see him not only be supportive from a distance, but he reposts every single time 631 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,360 we post on Instagram. 632 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,200 He's the most supportive person I've ever experienced. 633 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200 Even I don't do that. 634 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,400 I'm like, whatever. 635 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:33,960 He will spend an hour like trying to figure out the system so we can record. 636 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:43,200 Or he's been researching how to monetize for us recently and just so excited about it. 637 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,920 And so that's been really cool. 638 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:52,360 And then I got a comment from one of our family members recently that her husband, they just 639 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,360 finished listening to the Modesty podcast as a family, which I just... 640 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,360 That's so cool. 641 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,360 I love so much. 642 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,600 It's like we were driving with you in your car. 643 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,200 And I think it's such an important message as a family too. 644 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320 That was a great one to listen to. 645 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,480 But she told me that her husband had no idea that women were being told some of these things 646 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,480 about Modesty. 647 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,920 And I think that's going to be important to go into as, you know, as we go on and talk 648 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:26,320 about things, but to hear the conversations that they were having. 649 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:33,800 And the way that this was affecting the way that they think and opening their eyes to 650 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160 things that women are going through. 651 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,520 It's just really cool. 652 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,520 Yeah. 653 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:46,500 Opening up new conversations and even between like moms and sons or husbands and wives or 654 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,920 whoever it is. 655 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,760 I would argue even like our brother has been very supportive too. 656 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,000 I don't know that he agrees with 100% of what we say, but he's given us like cool books 657 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600 and really a lot of words of encouragement. 658 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000 So I think he's great. 659 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:11,000 But it's just, you know, when you say things like, oh, all feminists hate men, it just 660 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,720 doesn't even cross our minds. 661 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:18,200 I wouldn't think to answer this question except that I see people say it all the time. 662 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,880 And I think it's just kind of a smear campaign more than anything. 663 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,200 It's just, all right, well, I'm going to say that you're this extreme because if you're 664 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120 extreme then you're crazy. 665 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Well, it's a tactic that people have used time after time. 666 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,040 Like it's the way the different political parties make each other look. 667 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,600 Or in war times, what you would make your enemies look like. 668 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,200 Like they're so wrong that you'd have to be insane to think they're right. 669 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,080 And the Christian church, I think really put a lot of effort into making the feminists 670 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,080 look crazy. 671 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,080 Yeah, absolutely. 672 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,440 Because when I was a kid, I mean, feminism was a dirty word. 673 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,480 Honestly, up until very recently, I would say. 674 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Very recently, yeah. 675 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480 It was. 676 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,040 I remember, I think I've told this story honestly, but the first time I said something about 677 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,120 being a feminist, my dad like gasped. 678 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,360 I know, how dare you? 679 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,480 Just because it's got such a bad reputation. 680 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:28,280 And so you have to, in order, if you come from our circles, in order to step into a 681 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:36,000 more equality based mindset, you have to pull so much of your faith apart because it's in 682 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,120 there. 683 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,840 And that can be really hard and really scary. 684 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,480 Everything that you've been taught is being put into question. 685 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,560 You have to really figure out why you believe what you believe. 686 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,560 Yeah. 687 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,520 And I think we wrote down a couple of things too about, you know, we don't hate men, we 688 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,480 hate what's happening in the church. 689 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:05,840 We hate the use of stereotypes and patriarchy to put down women, to crush them till they're 690 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,840 manageable. 691 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,720 To make them think that the God of the universe looked at man and woman and said, well, she's 692 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,720 not as good. 693 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 Come on. 694 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,360 No, we are both created equally in the image of God. 695 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,000 And just because you're power hungry doesn't mean, I don't know what I was trying to say 696 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 with that. 697 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,760 No, but really just because someone's been in power doesn't mean that they need to stay 698 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,760 in power. 699 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,760 Yeah. 700 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,760 So move over. 701 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,800 Well, I think that's true in so many churches. 702 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,920 Whoever's in charge wants to stay in charge. 703 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,920 Yeah. 704 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920 And you see this in a lot of places. 705 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,480 This is totally going off the rails, but you see this in a lot of places where a pastor 706 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920 won't retire or- 707 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,320 A dentist who's a hundred years old. 708 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,120 I saw one the other day. 709 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560 I was like, how are you still working? 710 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,280 But you see it all the time. 711 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,480 And I have big issues with satellite churches, but satellite churches where instead of hiring 712 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,520 a pastor to talk to this congregation, you're putting yourself up on the screen because 713 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440 your words are the most important ones that they could hear. 714 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:20,360 Well, and this is something we talked about earlier, but there is such maturity and strength 715 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,520 in being able to step back, look yourself in the mirror and say, I don't need to be 716 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,920 in power or I'm not the smartest person in the room or someone else might have something 717 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,280 better to say that shows an incredible amount of strength and growth. 718 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280 Right. 719 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,680 Well, and it shows even more growth if you can say, look, we've been silencing this group 720 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,640 of people for so long. 721 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,160 Maybe we should stop. 722 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,180 Maybe what we're saying is wrong. 723 00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:54,440 Because the church has been silencing different groups of people since the beginning of the 724 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,440 church. 725 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,440 Oh yeah. 726 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,880 I mean, there's been racism in the church since literally the beginning of the church. 727 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:00,880 Yeah. 728 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,240 There's been sexism in the church since the beginning. 729 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:10,040 And so maybe we need to take a step back and say, we need to do things differently. 730 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,200 And so we don't, again, we don't hate men. 731 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,520 We hate all that comes along with this patriarchal church structure that we've been part of. 732 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,520 Yeah. 733 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,920 And that's why we talk about this stuff because we're tired of being part of it. 734 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920 We're sick of it. 735 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,720 We're sick of it. 736 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,960 Do we want perhaps more? 737 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,720 She said the name again. 738 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:34,720 We didn't make that joke yet. 739 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,720 I was feeling empty. 740 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,720 I felt like. 741 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:46,160 I wanted to end this podcast somehow by saying something along the lines of, watch out. 742 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,160 We're coming for you. 743 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,160 Hide your kids. 744 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,160 Hide your wife. 745 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,160 Cut that part out. 746 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,240 Which of the pastors would you be talking to? 747 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,760 Because there's a list of 45 at this point. 748 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,360 I have one in mind. 749 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,040 I really feel like with every podcast that we're making and every move that we're making 750 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,360 in this direction, I've really felt God's hands on both of us. 751 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:14,960 Not to make this sound weird, but I really feel like God is moving us forward with every 752 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,400 step that we're making. 753 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,840 And if we're doing something wrong, I'm sure he'll let us know, but watch out. 754 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,320 Well, we got a text today and it was just like, you know, we were talking about this 755 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,480 and we were already planning on this particular topic for today and we got this text that 756 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,560 referenced all of the things that we were about to talk about. 757 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,360 And it's like, oh, okay, so people really are asking these questions. 758 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,680 These are really actually important things for us to go over. 759 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680 And in transition. 760 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:55,420 Yeah, I would say our goal for this podcast, kind of what I was talking about before, but 761 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:59,240 is to spread God's love, right? 762 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,680 It's not to, what we don't want you to hear from the beginning of this podcast when we 763 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,120 talked about staying in church is that you need to be in church. 764 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,240 No, that's not our goal. 765 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:15,120 No, honestly, I think church absolutely has its place. 766 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,840 I'm not encouraging you to set out on your own and leave your church and whatever. 767 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,940 But again, my reality is not everyone's reality. 768 00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:33,360 And so I have to sit here and understand that while my choice was to stay in church, yours 769 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,360 might be different. 770 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,360 And if my whole job is to show you God's love, that's it. 771 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,360 Mine too. 772 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,360 You're selfish. 773 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,360 Sorry. 774 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,760 Our whole goal is to show you God's love. 775 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,520 And if at the end of that, God wants you in church, he'll take you there. 776 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,640 Yeah, that's not my job. 777 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,640 No. 778 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,480 Like if you want me to come with you, maybe I'll come with you. 779 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,480 It depends on where it's at. 780 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,280 But that's not my job. 781 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560 My job is never to force you into church. 782 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,640 It's never to say to you, the church is the most important thing you can do as a Christian. 783 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,160 No, actually, because I find that I'm jumping off on a tangent again, but I find so often 784 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:24,680 in those very conservative circles, church becomes an idol. 785 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,080 Church becomes something that you can check off on a box and then you can turn around 786 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,400 and judge your neighbor about it. 787 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,400 Did you go to church? 788 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,400 Do you go to church today? 789 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,400 Oh, you didn't? 790 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,400 Hmm. 791 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,320 Well, that's the first question. 792 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,320 It's never what did you learn? 793 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,720 How did you grow? 794 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:40,720 Did you meet anybody? 795 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:41,720 Like it's never that. 796 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,720 Did you go to church? 797 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:44,720 Check. 798 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:45,720 Yeah. 799 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:46,720 And that's... 800 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,720 Or how often are you going? 801 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:48,720 Right. 802 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:49,720 Are you going on Wednesday? 803 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,080 Are you all day there on Sunday? 804 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,440 Did you go to the small group? 805 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,760 Did you go to the ice cream social? 806 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,960 Are you also serving on 25 teams? 807 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,240 You know, 10 services? 808 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,480 Yeah. 809 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,720 It's something that people create into an idol. 810 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,400 So I think if that's what you're dealing with too, like maybe it is time to take a step 811 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,400 back. 812 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,400 Absolutely. 813 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,280 And I absolutely did that. 814 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,480 I was at a church for a while and I got very involved, which is very out of character for 815 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,480 me. 816 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:29,200 I got very involved in multiple teams, like small group, all the things, right? 817 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600 And absolutely church was an idol. 818 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,680 So I definitely turned that church experience into an idol. 819 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,980 It was about how often am I there? 820 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:41,280 How many people are seeing me there? 821 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,560 It's kind of bragging rights. 822 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,240 Oh, a hundred percent. 823 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:50,720 And so it was important for me to walk away, to step away from that for a lot of reasons. 824 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,080 But that was absolutely one of them. 825 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,080 Yeah. 826 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,000 And I think that's a big part in the bigger churches and the smaller churches too, but 827 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,560 they're like, you don't have to become a member, but you do have to serve. 828 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,960 And if you're not serving, shame on you. 829 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,480 Well, sometimes you're not in a position to be serving somewhere else. 830 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,240 Maybe you're stretched so thin, you're working as much as you can. 831 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,680 You also have kids. 832 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,740 Or in my situation, I don't, but I'm also stretched very thin. 833 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:21,720 And maybe you're not in a position to serve and you shouldn't feel ashamed about that. 834 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:27,440 Sometimes you need someone to fill your cup for longer than a little while. 835 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,920 Maybe it's a whole season of your life. 836 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,920 And that's okay. 837 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,360 Do you know in the last podcast you ended it by singing goodbye? 838 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,360 I did. 839 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,360 He absolutely did. 840 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,360 And I absolutely kept it in. 841 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,160 How would you like me to end this one? 842 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:53,440 In conclusion, in our next podcast, we'll be hitting the big topic. 843 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,520 The big S. Nope. 844 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,520 Yeah. 845 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,520 Nope. 846 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,520 Yeah. 847 00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,520 Nope. 848 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,800 The letter S, not sex. 849 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:13,760 So the reason we took a little bit of a week off of some of the tougher topics that we've 850 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,560 been doing, we wanted to have a little bit more fun and just chat also, but we're gearing 851 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,720 up for, I think one of our biggest topics so far. 852 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:28,660 I have the full armor of God on. 853 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:33,920 So next podcast, there'll be two weeks from now on Thursday. 854 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:42,080 And if you weren't aware, the podcasts go live at 10 AM. 855 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,120 So the podcast goes live at 10 AM wherever you get your podcasts. 856 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:53,360 But I usually don't post about it until like noon to make sure that it's up and good everywhere. 857 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,320 But yeah, so two weeks on Thursday morning, we're going to start talking about submission. 858 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,200 Okay, that hurt. 859 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,200 We'll have to cut that out because that's going to hurt headphones users. 860 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,240 Because it hurt me. 861 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,560 I'm scared, are you? 862 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,560 Actually I'm not. 863 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,640 I'm pretty excited. 864 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,600 I think it's a topic that we are excited to talk about. 865 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,120 This is a topic we're going to come back to all the time. 866 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,480 We're going to talk about it constantly, but we're going to really dive particularly deep 867 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,480 next time. 868 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,760 And I hope you guys are excited about that too. 869 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680 I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions. 870 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,720 So that we can share them. 871 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:43,720 Feel free. 872 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,560 I mean, text, comment, comment on our... 873 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,560 Probably don't text. 874 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,560 They don't know our phone numbers. 875 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,720 And I don't want you to. 876 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:59,160 Feel free to message us on Instagram or Facebook, your thoughts, your opinions, your feelings. 877 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,320 We'll put them all into one big pro and con list. 878 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,320 Well, that'll be fun. 879 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,000 Alright, well thank you guys so much for listening. 880 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,080 We are so excited to chat with you in a couple of weeks. 881 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,080 Yeah. 882 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,080 Okay, bye. 883 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,080 Love you, bye. 884 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:35,120 Bye bye.