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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode, an exciting episode of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Exciting. It is exciting, Yes, because we had said earlier

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<v Speaker 3>this week we're going to try to make those our

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<v Speaker 3>best episodes. Yes, yeah, they were okay, but this one's

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<v Speaker 3>an exciting one. Oh, yes, super exciting one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super excited.

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<v Speaker 3>And a big reason why it's so exciting because we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do everybody's favorite segment today. It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't do it last week, you guys in the

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<v Speaker 3>Platinum edition, you didn't do it, did not But now

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<v Speaker 3>that Wesley's not here, we're going back at it. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody's favorite segment is what made Chris mad this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well I'll tell you this. I didn't take me

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<v Speaker 2>long to think about it. Of course I didn't, because

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<v Speaker 2>I had something that just got on my nerves and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, come on, people, and I think it applies to.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody who shares.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is a weird thought, but like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a household with kids, if you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>household with your spouse, this is true for you, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if you have a roommate, okay, right in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Case, if you live, if you live in a domicile

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<v Speaker 3>with another human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Or in this case, there's a community shower right at

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<v Speaker 2>a church, so I I have.

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<v Speaker 3>At share space with other human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I'm trying with specifically about showers.

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<v Speaker 2>So I actually shower here at the church a few times.

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<v Speaker 3>A week, which Chris, yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But because there's a we actually work out.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a gym here at a church heritage fitness

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<v Speaker 2>center by the way, and so and so after most workouts,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bring a change of clothes and I go back there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we have sort of like big huge community shampoos

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, liquid soaps and things like that, right

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<v Speaker 2>and then uh, and then even there's like like a

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<v Speaker 2>bar shop in there too. Now that applies at a

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<v Speaker 2>community place if you share shampoos with somebody else at

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<v Speaker 2>a gym or something, or a roommate like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>or a family you share shampoos. So here's what get

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<v Speaker 2>on my nerves, And this is true for everybody. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot get over how every single time I get in

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<v Speaker 2>that shower, somebody has used the Irish spring soap.

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<v Speaker 1>And they leave, they leave it flipped.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's another one in there and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a sport like axe thing soap, and that lids up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a shampoo that is in there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a community shampoo.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing just sort of like you sort of press the lid.

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<v Speaker 3>Down and like click, it just clips open right, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's up.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's up right. And so then I'll use it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go click, click, click, and then I'll you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll use it. Now. Shut them all and then the

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<v Speaker 2>very next time I go to take a shower, they're

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<v Speaker 2>up again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm convinced that if there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a cap that's screwed off, the cap would be

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground right. And so here's the question. The

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<v Speaker 2>question is, how can a human being, any human.

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<v Speaker 1>Being, any decent human, any decent human being like flip

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<v Speaker 1>oth of the brain in their head, flip open something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do they do they leave the kap a

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<v Speaker 2>toothpaste if there was toothpaste, probably if it was connected,

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<v Speaker 2>they would.

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<v Speaker 1>Just leave it. O get why.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how, because they're not thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not thinking. Nobody's thinking, you know what I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna leave this lid up forget the next person.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, fine, you sold me on that thinking. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>well beyond that. That's a small.

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<v Speaker 1>Piece of it. It is it is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the nature of some people, Like they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to close the door behind them, They don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to return their shopping cart, they don't want to park

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<v Speaker 2>between the lines.

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<v Speaker 3>You're projecting evil intent on people want as far as

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<v Speaker 3>want so so so so, so let me say so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying politely to say they're slops.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was trying to politely say. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to put evil.

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<v Speaker 3>They weren't house broke right at their MoMA. Their mama failed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was just saying, like, some people aren't wired

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<v Speaker 2>to do to be tidy.

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<v Speaker 3>So, so I was in the kitchen and I was cooking. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot what I was cooking. Oh, a crown roast,

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<v Speaker 3>a pork crown roast. You know if the bones I'll

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<v Speaker 3>stick up sea Yeah yeah, yeah, it's cooking one of those.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just going one hundred miles an hour and

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<v Speaker 3>my wife comes out and she goes, you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to close one cabinet door.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you leave cabinet doors.

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<v Speaker 3>And I turned around and almost every cabinet door was open.

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<v Speaker 3>But all's that happened was I need I need a tablespoon,

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<v Speaker 3>a kosher salt. I need I need a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of where's the where's the time? Right? I'm thinking what

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<v Speaker 3>I need to do, not thinking whatever reason closed that

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<v Speaker 3>door closed, that door closed it. I wasn't like you

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<v Speaker 3>to difference.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to know the difference. If you were the

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<v Speaker 2>one at the end of the meal, you would have

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<v Speaker 2>not walked away from that kitchen without closing. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was all done, I would have tried on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, all the there's the difference because before

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<v Speaker 3>I leave a thing, I try to wipe everything down.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to look.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't leave the soap up flippingly if I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>In the restaurant, wash my hands. I just had a

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<v Speaker 3>guy at the airport. I was in the sky club,

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<v Speaker 3>Delta sky Club, and went in and washed my hands.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I was done, you know, I just take

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<v Speaker 3>a little extra paper towel, I'll wipe off the thing

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<v Speaker 3>and I goes, oh, no, no, no, that's my job. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all of our job. Man, thank you for doing

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<v Speaker 3>yours right and wiping out. I just think you're there,

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<v Speaker 3>wipe down the water drop list that you had on

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<v Speaker 3>the thing, right, you just just kind of cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there is something to that. But in

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, for me, a lot of times, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm cooking, everything's just open, yeah, and it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine because you're still in the middle of something, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But they're still not showering when I walk in there.

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<v Speaker 3>But my wife would say, there are times I'll step

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<v Speaker 3>over a thing four times and not even notice it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah I really do where I just didn't even see it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's I have a really I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>about things I need to do. I'm thinking about I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking thoughts, right, ideas, concepts a lot of times, and

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<v Speaker 3>so a lot of times I'm just in my head

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<v Speaker 3>and everything else is just there, but I'm not seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it a lot of times, unless like if I'm walking

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<v Speaker 3>through the building here and I'm looking for something, well,

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<v Speaker 3>then I see it, Hey, that needs to be repainted,

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<v Speaker 3>This needs to be there's a scuff over there, let's

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<v Speaker 3>fix that draw. Well, I see that, because now that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm thinking in the moment, that's what I'm working on.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I'm working on something in my head, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>oblivious to what's around me.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it dawns on me that I will probably never

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<v Speaker 2>know who else showers and leaves all those caps open,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't care enough to know, right, But I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to send the message out there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who you are if they listen to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ar right, and who doesn't?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm sure everybody on our staff is hanging on

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<v Speaker 3>every word we say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that is not true.

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<v Speaker 3>They just don't get enough of us through the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the week. They want to spend another twenty five ans.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, stephf member said that to me. Step member goes, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>did you listen to the Bible?

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<v Speaker 1>Guys?

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<v Speaker 2>And the staff member said to all the other staff

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<v Speaker 2>members and goes, are.

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<v Speaker 1>You kidding me? I'm here around him all week long,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, thanks, Prophet has no honor in his

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<v Speaker 3>own town. That's what Jesus said.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, the bottom line is is listen. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just for the guy here who showers and leaves it up,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it's multiple people, who knows, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>also for the wives, for the husbands, for the children,

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<v Speaker 2>for the roommates. Just not only do you need to

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<v Speaker 2>close every cap, but then here's an idea, like be

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<v Speaker 2>organized in the shower with your empty bott.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be a slob.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to say it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I just did. Okay, So I have this thought

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been working on this this year, yep, more,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I said it in January to our staff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have this phrase that I wrote down in

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<v Speaker 3>a couple places where I see it, and it says,

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<v Speaker 3>the way you do anything is the way you do everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that, right, And so.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been trying more and more and more. Change out

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<v Speaker 3>the toilet paper roll, don't leave just one one square left,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and the thing throw it away. If you

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<v Speaker 3>miss the garbage can, stop, turn around and pick it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Put in the garbage can. Just because I think if

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<v Speaker 3>I pay attention to more of the details, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not as fastidious as you are, I'm not as detailed

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<v Speaker 3>as you are, but I want to be. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I've got that phrase the way you do anything is

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<v Speaker 3>the way you do everything, And I'm trying to remind

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<v Speaker 3>myself of that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just quality issues.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it is that way most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I was trying to say earlier, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same person who you know can't park between the lions

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<v Speaker 2>or put their shopping cart back, or.

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<v Speaker 3>We hate those people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just know, I just think I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to use the word hate, Okay, I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just getting excited about that. The rage in

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<v Speaker 3>you is coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole segment is what made Chris mad this week.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's just it's it's like it's like contagious.

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<v Speaker 3>Well and plus fight him now? And does does shampoo

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<v Speaker 3>go bad? I don't know. Well, I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Because their whole lives.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the Jewish men were taught and the boys

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<v Speaker 3>And then your faith will grow strong in the truth

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual powers of this world. He's talking about family tradition

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<v Speaker 3>for in Christ lives all the fullness of God in

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<v Speaker 3>and authority. When you came to Christ, you were quote

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<v Speaker 3>unquote circumcised, but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed

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<v Speaker 3>a spiritual circumcision, cutting away of your sinful nature. For

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<v Speaker 3>the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead.

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<v Speaker 3>You were dead because of your sins, and because of

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<v Speaker 3>your sinful nature was not yet cut away. And then

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<v Speaker 3>God made you alive with Christ. For He forgave all

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<v Speaker 3>In this way he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities.

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<v Speaker 3>He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on

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<v Speaker 3>the cross. So don't let anyone condemn you for what

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<v Speaker 3>they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds

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<v Speaker 3>yet yet he has set you free from the spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>powers of this world. So why do you keep on

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<v Speaker 3>These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion,

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<v Speaker 3>pious self denial, and severe bodily discipline, but they provide

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<v Speaker 3>So he's getting after it. But the promise that we're

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<v Speaker 3>reading today is thirteen verse thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So verse thirteen says you were dead because of your

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<v Speaker 2>you alive with Christ, and he forgave all of your sins.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the next one, too, can be part of

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and uh, you know, I I like the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leaven of the Pharisees, and then therefore you're forced to

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<v Speaker 2>I like that visual image better than this comparison of sin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that death or circumcisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Circum He's like, it's like throwing away for his skin.

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<v Speaker 3>So circumcision was how what was the defining element for

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<v Speaker 3>the Jewish religion, right that and their sacrifices, and so

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<v Speaker 3>took a lot of pride in it, although it made

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you got saved later on in life, if

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're like, yeah, that's there's a there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to me, and so that that was the whole point.

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<v Speaker 3>view Now, Paul says, everybody can get baptized, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of the new symbol. It's the outward symbol

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<v Speaker 3>of what Jesus did on the inside. Circumcision was supposed

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<v Speaker 3>on the inside, and that was that I've surrendered everything

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<v Speaker 3>to him, everything to him. Right, And now he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this baptism thing demonstrates that. He says, you can't do

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<v Speaker 3>So it says that we can't do it in our

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<v Speaker 3>you're complete, not through yourself or through your own behaviors,

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<v Speaker 3>this is why baptism is like modern day circumcision. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go under the water, you're buried with Christ

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<v Speaker 3>for now two thousand years, Christians have viewed baptism in

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<v Speaker 3>on the inside, similar to how the Jews would have

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and how he says, hey, you're so, He's almost

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<v Speaker 2>ritual of circumcision. And what I'm telling you is there

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<v Speaker 2>is a spiritual circumcision that has happened, right, And he's

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<v Speaker 2>that is not unlike the Book of Hebrews when everybody

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is the high priest. Jesus is the sacrifice, You

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<v Speaker 1>We were a part of growing up. Jesus has fulfilled

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<v Speaker 2>And what he's really saying is Jesus has fulfilled the

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<v Speaker 2>requirement for circumcision, right, and then, yeah, I like the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think i've ever heard, by the way, anybody

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<v Speaker 2>say that they thought, perhaps baptism is sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's tying them together right here.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just never and I never looked at

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's it's a replace, it's a right, a

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to and he says, as opposed to being

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason why I said that I never thought

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<v Speaker 2>of it as a replacement is because back when you

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<v Speaker 2>a self baptismal ritual, right, there was a self cleansing rituals, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But baptism when John the Baptist came on the sea.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a purification ritual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, purification ratue.

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<v Speaker 3>old affiliation is a Roman thing, not a Jewish thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jewish thing was I couldn't go into the holier places,

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<v Speaker 3>the temple without without the purification thing. It was all

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<v Speaker 3>were not symbolic. They were symbolic in that now we

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<v Speaker 3>their practice they had to. That's why a leper who

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<v Speaker 3>got healed had to go wash himself before he went

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<v Speaker 3>into the temple to show the priests that have been healed. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>they had to. That's why a woman every month had

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<v Speaker 3>to go through the purification process, right, because there was

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<v Speaker 3>a shedding of blood all those things. That's why you

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't touch if you touched a body, a dead body,

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<v Speaker 3>you had to purify yourself. It was always a physical

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<v Speaker 3>cleansing in order to be able to go into the

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<v Speaker 3>temple because that's where all the people gathered and what

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<v Speaker 3>God was doing was he was holding back disease in

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<v Speaker 3>a place that had so much blood, right, tons of blood,

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<v Speaker 3>So he was pushing back the disease stuff. It's why

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<v Speaker 3>he tells them where to bury their excrement. He tells

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<v Speaker 3>them everything, right, It's always about keeping back the disease.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the Jews were so healthy. So it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>symbolic like if you joined the Jews, what you were

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<v Speaker 3>doing is maybe taking your first bath, right, you're cleaning

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<v Speaker 3>up to go do it now. Symbolically, we understand there's

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<v Speaker 3>way more to it because as Christians, we see that

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<v Speaker 3>the Romans did do that. The Roman soldiers would because

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<v Speaker 3>they had guys that were from different villages and tribes

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<v Speaker 3>and groups, and they were oftentimes subscribed into the military,

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<v Speaker 3>right they were forced into the military. Sometimes after they

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<v Speaker 3>got through their training, they would go to a baptism,

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<v Speaker 3>washing away their old identities and having a new identity.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think sometimes preachers will confuse the two rituals.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the fact that the Jews had a washing,

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<v Speaker 3>the Romans had a washing, I think is why Jesus chose, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this washing thing is the thing, but the Romans was

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<v Speaker 3>I'm washing away the old life, the Jews were, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>getting clean in order to go before God. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I just knew it was a part of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ritualistic you had to jump through all those hoops and

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<v Speaker 2>surgery being the hardest among them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, yes, And so he says, he says, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a spiritual cutting away. And now baptism is that

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<v Speaker 3>you were dead and now you're alive. And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>amazing thing. So understand this, this is what I really

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<v Speaker 3>wanted our listeners to hear. Listen to me. We went

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<v Speaker 3>to some other things, got distracted a little bit. It's

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<v Speaker 3>call all good stuff. But understand, everybody you see who

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<v Speaker 3>is not has not placed their faith and trust in

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, is dead. They are the walking dead. Their

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<v Speaker 3>body is breathing, their cells are going through all of

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<v Speaker 3>the things necessary for life, their brain is functioning on

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<v Speaker 3>some level, but they are dead spiritually. We are literally

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the walking dead. And our job, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>go everywhere and tell everyone. Our job as Christians, as

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<v Speaker 3>ambassadors for Christ, is to raise the dead. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>they can only come alive through Christ, through what the

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<v Speaker 3>Holy Spirit does in them. But this is the mission

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<v Speaker 3>we're on as everybody is dead in their sin. You

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<v Speaker 3>before you met Jesus were dead in your sin. Everything

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<v Speaker 3>you did was leading to death. And now because of Christ,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the hope of eternal life. And so this

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<v Speaker 3>is the mission we're on to. He's the debt, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a fun job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So so the promise that we were dead in our

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<v Speaker 2>sins and we're alive in Christ, and and he forgave

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<v Speaker 2>us of all of our sins. Again, it's every single.

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<v Speaker 1>Day this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this case, he's talking to people who perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>think that you need to carry, you know, with you

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<v Speaker 2>more rules, rules from the past. Yeah, this is how

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up. You know, it's Christ, It's Jesus plus something. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just be real clear. So the Bible says

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<v Speaker 2>that the only thing to get to heaven is Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>plus nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, So we we we just taught.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier this week that we lesson and I

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<v Speaker 2>taught one on one class and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>what we do is we open up for questions, and

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<v Speaker 2>we had a lot of questions and there were some

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<v Speaker 2>questions about you know, is baptism or requirement to get

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<v Speaker 2>to heaven, you know, is which is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times in that in this class, right, And and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, you want to be really clear, the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>is own best commentary. Every verse that talks about salvation

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<v Speaker 2>says that it's just Jesus alone. And again, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine if they grew up their entire lives saying

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<v Speaker 2>you must do these things to be holy, you must

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<v Speaker 2>jump through all of these hoops and obey this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and traditionally every year these are so important. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>your whole social life revolved around a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of these things, right, And he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, like, no more is it really necessarily required to

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<v Speaker 2>get into heaven? And everybody who grew up not your

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<v Speaker 2>way is invited and can also get into heaven. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I can understand the need of saying, well, they

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<v Speaker 2>need to be more religious like me, or they need

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, study the scriptures and memorized and

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<v Speaker 2>do these practices. And I think that sometimes we can

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<v Speaker 2>be guilty of that as well, because a non denominational

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<v Speaker 2>church like we are, we do have people from different backgrounds, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I Mean, we're pretty like minded, but there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who come in and said, I grew up differently, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to do it this way. And what

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<v Speaker 2>they're really saying is this is how I know church, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up and you know. And some lady just

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<v Speaker 2>asked me in the lobby, she said, she said, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't get over the fact that there's no cross, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I says, well, we bring crosses out on the

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<v Speaker 2>stage from times.

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<v Speaker 3>She walked under a forty seven foot cross to get

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<v Speaker 3>in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Our whole steeple and sign is a forty seven foot cross.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, but she wants she wants some kind of icony.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jesus on the cross.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So that idea is baptism will cover this very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Is baptism required for salvation? It's very interesting. Even in

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<v Speaker 3>this passage, he says, for you were buried with Christ

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<v Speaker 3>when you were baptized, and with him you were raised

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<v Speaker 3>to new life. Right, Oh, so baptism must be how

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<v Speaker 3>I get raised to new life. Nope, because you trusted

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<v Speaker 3>the mighty power of God who raised Christ from the dead. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Faith is embedded right in the Baptist verse, Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you don't go to heaven because you got baptized.

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<v Speaker 3>You go to heaven because you trusted the mighty power

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<v Speaker 3>of God in Christ to raise him from the dead,

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<v Speaker 3>right right. So then baptism is just an evidence of

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that you've placed your trust, you've believed in.

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<v Speaker 3>So now I'm getting baptized like he did to evidence

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<v Speaker 3>as evidence of the fact that I believe in. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So the belief is what saves me because you trusted

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<v Speaker 3>or because you believed the mighty power of God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's a good place to end in.

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<v Speaker 1>So good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, thanks for being with us this week and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we will see you on Monday on the Bible Guys,