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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Okay, well, here's

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Chris and I'm Jeff. No,
that's not how that's supposed to go.

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I was pointing at you saying here's
Chris, and then I was gonna say,

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and I'm Jeff. Okay, well
there's Jeff. Yes, and and

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there's Chris. The Bible guys.
That's right. That one not that complicated.

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It it's just two names that we've
had our whole lives. Yeah,

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yeah, that's right. We should
know who last I knew? Bad.

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Well, no worries. So today
we have a very exciting segment. Yes

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we do. Yes, this is
one of your it's in your sweet spot.

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So what does that mean. Oh, it's gotta be movies some song

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lyric. Yes, it's movies.
So this is a movie quote race.

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I'm gonna read off movie quotes and
we're gonna see how fast Chris can guess

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what movie it's from. And I'm
racing against racing against the listeners. Okay,

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all right, so I'm gonna close
my eyes because I get distracted when

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I look at you. But if
I just hear the movie quote just here,

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I'm just going to process the information. That's right, he's praying right

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now. This is how Chris jumping
jacks here ready, ready, Yes,

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you need to stretch. No,
no, I'm okay. Okay, here

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we go, we go. You
sit on a throne of lies. That

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was so easy that it's the best
quote ever. Sit on a thrown a

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fly. That's so great. Okay, And what was the other one?

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You smell like beef and cheese.
Smell like beef and cheese. You have

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the real Sanna. Okay, what
song did I sing for you on your

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birthday? Okay, your birthday?
For of course, we're going to reach

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back a little bit. Okay,
looks like I picked the wrong week.

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Just quit sniffing glue. Oh,
airplane, airplane. There you go.

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That's so great. That's so great. And throughout the whole movie he gets

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done saying things like that, looks
like I picked the wrong week. Quit

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drinking. Yeah, that's it,
And he kept going saying things bend and

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snap. Uh, legally, blonde
you go? She said, bend and

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snap. There you go. Did
you did you see that movie? No?

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Oh, my goodness, it's it's
a It's like one of the most

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famous parts of the movie. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, she was

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teaching. She was teaching somebody how
to flirt and and then uh, and

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then this girl tries it and when
she snaps back up, she smacks somebody

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in the face. It's really funny. Yeah, Okay, did I stutter?

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That could be anything? Did I
stutter? That's a tough one.

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Did I Did I stutter? That
could be anything? Man, I don't

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want to waste the listener's time here. What is it? It's the breakfast

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Club. I'm ninety nine percent positive
that it's actually do I stutter? All

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right, we'll have to look it
up. Yeah, I'm nine percent positive.

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This is the scene where so you
would have gotten it if I'd said,

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do I stutter? I think so
because because because this is the scene

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where he shows him the cigar burn
on his forearm and he goes, see

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this, this is this about the
size of a cigar. This is what

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you get when you spill pain in
the old man's garage, and he goes,

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do I stutter? We'll have to
look it up. Yeah, I'm

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because it's past tense versus present tense. That's the that's what threw you off.

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The stutter part, Well do my
stutter is a famous quote. You

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hear it, It triggers the whole
speech in your mind. If you're a

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fank, Wow, okay, it
just so, you're just a finely tuned

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machine. So it's okay. Anyways, I'm a loner, Dotty, a

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rebel. I'm a loner Dotty.
As soon as I read that when I

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knew that one. Really, I
don't know this one. Yeah, really,

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it's gotta be an older movie.
Dotty is an old name. Pee

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Wee's Big Adventure. Oh goodness,
I hated that movie. There you go.

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I hated that movie. I saw
it one time, and I remember

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see the whole movie. I was
like, why am I still watching this?

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Just so you know, almost every
movie I've ever seen, I've seen

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one time. So that's I think
the difference between the two of us,

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right, how many times? How
many times have you seen The Breakfast Club?

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Never? I've never seen The Breakfast
Bro. Bro, you just told

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me everything I need to know about
you, not everything, dude, you're

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my age. Why in the world
have you not watched the greatest movie of

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our generation? Because I didn't have
a TV and wasn't allowed to go to

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movies. Right, but then something
Remember Captain America even had the list.

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Remember he came out the movie.
Yeah, he said, I'll add it

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to the list. Okay, yeah, sorry, here we go one last

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one. Dude, you're gonna have
to watch Breakfast Club. I'm in a

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glass case of emotions Anchorman. Of
course, that's one of the beastlines in

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the movie. He's in the phone
booth. I'm in a glass case of

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emotions. There you go. That's
so great. Okay, Chris, Well

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you got four out of six.
No, I didn't. I got four

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out of six. You gave me
six. I gave you six. That's

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correct. So and you got four
of them right, So of the six

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I gave I would argue and say
that one was faulty. Hang on,

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are you looking up? Do I
stutter? Is that what you're doing?

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Okay? Look at the first thing
that came up. Yeah, the Breakfast

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Club? Read it? Do I
stutter? Do I stutter? It's not

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did you stutter? Okay? Did
I stutter? It's do I stutter?

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So? Is that typed it in? Okay, Well, we're gonna put

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that one on Desiree uh, sorry, desiree, but that is definitely not

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my fault. There. So,
so Chris got four and a half out

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of six. No, no,
no, no, no no no.

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I got four out of five.
You got four out of five. Okay,

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so you're dismissing that one. Yeah, it wasn't a movie quote,

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right, and it was not a
quote. It was not a quote.

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Okay, tense. Tense matters.
Okay, well, quote matters. That's

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why it's a quote. Would have
thought that the keyword would have been stutter,

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not do, but uh, well
no, he's never it's the trigger

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of the of the speech. Okay, by the way, because the point

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is due versus dead. He said, he said this way. The whole

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point of the speech was due.
He said this way. He goes,

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do I stutter? Yeah, I
mean that's a pretty big quo, right,

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Yeah. It just feels like the
word stutter is a bigger deal to

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me than do. Oh really,
you can't handle the truth? The truth

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is the main part of that,
right. But what if he said you

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can't, uh, you can't manage
the truth? That would change the quote.

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You're like, that's not Jack Nicholson. So I would have said,

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oh, that's that's Jack Nicholson.
I would have said that, but it's

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the wrong quote. But hey,
whatever, you know some people, Hey

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you complete me? Is the operative
word is complete? Hey you complete the

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dog. That's not Jerry Maguire.
No, but I would have known what

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you were talking about. I would
have. Anyways, here we go.

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I just like getting under your skin. Yes you did not, So Michelle

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g She says, resurrected from the
dead. We need to move on.

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Jesus has resurrected from the dead,
and the ladies have come and they discovered

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that the tomb is empty. The
angels tell them, why are you looking

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for the living among the dead.
He's not here. He has risen.

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Now go back and tell the disciples, and make sure you tell Peter.

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And he's going ahead of you into
Galilee. So then, but she's supposed

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to go back and tell the disciples. So Peter and John run to the

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tomb, and Luke Chapter twenty four, verse twelve says, however, Peter

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jumped up and ran to the tomb
to look. Stooping. He peered in

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and saw the empty linen wrappings.
Then he went home again, wondering what

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had happened. So that's Luke's version
of it, John has exterior motivations as

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to why he needs to expand on
the story. He says, Peter and

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the other disciple, I wonder who
that was. Wonder Peter and the other

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disciples started out for the tomb.
They were both running, but the other

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disciple outran Peter and reached the whom
first. He stooped and looked in and

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saw the linen rappings lying there,
but he didn't go in. Then Simon

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Peter arrived to win inside. He
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while the cloth that had covered jesus
heads was folded up and lying apart from

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the other wrappings. Then the disciple
who had reached the tomb first also went

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in, and he saw and believed. For until then, they still hadn't

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understood the scriptures that said Jesus must
rise from the dead. Then they went

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home, hard to believe. Until
that moment, they didn't under until it

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was laid out for them, literally
laid out with empty linens and a folded

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head napkin. Yeah, they just
didn't get it. Hard to believe,

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So I think it's hysterical. Yes, Luke gives one verse that just says,

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Peter jumps up and runs the tomb
and looks in. Yes, that's

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it. John goes, well,
so it was Peter, and you know

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the disciple who Jesus loves. Jesus
really loves that disciples, the old guy

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and the young guy. This is
the oldest disciple and the youngest disciple.

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We took off running, and you
know, so I beat him. I

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beat him the two of course.
It's like it's like Jeff and Chris,

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if he wrote the story, we'd
be writing it that way, right,

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And then I beat him to the
tomb, not the brag. Yeah,

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but I went in. But it's
funny because you know, if Mark was

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Peter's secretary, Yes, Peter didn't
even admit to the race, right,

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he didn't even admit that it happened. Well, Mark doesn't record it,

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I know, That's what I'm saying. So if Mark's writing Peter's story,

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Peter just kind of glossed over that
part of it. You know, Hey,

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Jesus wanted to make sure I met
him in Galilee, right, so

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he included that in Mark, but
then doesn't admit that he lost a foot

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race. It's hysterical. It's one
of the things I love about humanity just

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in general. Good friends. Right, is this? I love the competitiveness.

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I know some people don't like competitiveness, but I love the competitiveness.

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I love all the petty little things
around being competitive, the trash talking,

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the I love that stuff. Now, no, let's be fair too.

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It could be that that wasn't John's
motivation at all for writing. It could

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be right, let's let's let's let's
let's enter in a new mindset. It

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could be that John was just trying
to accurately record any detail, whether whether

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too small, too great, and
what he was saying was like, this

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is exactly how it happened. Yeah, the guy who didn't include what hardly

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anything that Matthew, Mark and Luky
Listen, I'm saying. I'm saying,

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go with me here. John basically
wrote his own book. Right, He's

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saying go with me here. He's
trying to say, hey, here's the

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exact details. I got there first, and I and I stood there in

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awe, and I and I could
not even go in because I was bewildered.

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But Peter, you know, being
you know, showing the dynamics and

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the you know, the aggressiveness of
who we know Peter to be right.

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Of course, Peter is going to
go right in and he's going to examine

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the evidence for himself. And so
it could be that John was just trying

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to give exact pictures of, you
know, of what happened in full detail,

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and not trying to brag on who
won the race. However, I'd

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like to think that, uh yeah, because he used the word out ran.

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Yes, yeah, right, and
he out ran him. I beat

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you, right, So Peter,
that old guy, he's just not as

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fast as he used to be.
And I beat him down to the tomb.

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You know, I had to wait, as a matter of fact,

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I got there and had to wait
for him to get there. That's that's

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the way he tooks gratulations are years
old. It's great. I just I

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love it. I love that that
is there. Yeah, and it tells

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it that way. And then this
is so amazing the story itself in that

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when Peter shows up again, in
Peter's nature, him being so bold,

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right, he's the guy who jumped
out of the boat and wanted to walk

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to Jesus. He's the one who
pulled out the sword and cut off the

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servants here, right, This is
Peter, and he's kind of in fine

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form. Again, John steps stays
outside the tomb. Now remember as a

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good Jews, the whole tomb idea
and all this kind of stuff. They're

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worried about being unclean. So John, following the rules, stays outside,

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peeks in, and Peter just straight
in, right, he just goes in

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this boldness, this this aggressive stance
that he lives his life in. And

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then these linen wrappings are left as
if Jesus' body just disappeared, right,

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So it's still calls them the wrappings. It wasn't that they were unraveled.

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It was just that there was a
body in it and now there's not a

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body in it. And then so
that would have been like really really crazy.

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Have you heard this theory? And
I'm sure you have, but there

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there's a word for it, and
I don't know what in this moment,

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but I've preached it on an Easter
before as a as a working theory where

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it was almost like a paper mache
where have you heard this where king kings

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were mummified in a way to where
there was like a salv or something that

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was going over the wrappings, and
it would have been like a hardened shell,

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and so if the are still there
intact, it would have meant that

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Jesus would have phased through it and
it might have been like the cocoon,

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like a cocoon shaped. Yeah,
right now, of course there's no real

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evidence of really knowing that. But
because of tradition of how kings were wrapped,

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and because he was brought you know, with so many kingly, you

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know, all the spices would have
been fit for a king, right,

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that's that's that's the way that they
buried him. Yeah, so they mixed

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that what did we talk about aloes
and myrh yes with oil, and yeah,

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it would have made a thing,
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the smell, but it was also
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thing. So they did not embalm
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you know like the Egyptians would where
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that. But there would have been
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that would have wrapped Jesus up,
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spices and those that that kind of
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So yeah, perhaps, but certainly
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was supposed to be. It was
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the body it was trying they If
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the whole body and everything in it, right, you wouldn't taken time to

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unwrap it. But if they did
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it would have been unraveled, right, is the point. But here it

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was not unraveled. It was just
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head covering was folded up nice and
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it shows certain intention, not speed
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some Roman soldiers and steal a body
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the corner and go right. That's
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that why that's why that detail is
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just as it should have been,
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It was folded up nice. But
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kind of random right, And it's
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to you know, pull off the
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question. The question is this,
and this is this is a hypothetical.

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Would Peter and John have believed as
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would an empty tomb and the promises
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about everything that they had seen,
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the storm and the waves, and
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pretty big thing, right, raising
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so they definitely witnessed it. But
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without actually seeing Jesus, would that
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the answer is yes. I think
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answers yes. Well, Thomas Thomas
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was told by eyewitnesses about the empty
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now don't believe it. I'm gonna
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Peter, I'm saying Peter and John. Well, it said that they only

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believed after they saw that it was
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That's when they believed. Well,
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more. Yeah, So it was
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them right, that's that's they see
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scriptures. So I think that it
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know that. I think that all
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the eleven would have died for something
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yeah, okay, yeah, maybe
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think I would die for a thing
I thought maybe would have happened. I

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would say maybe it happened. Well, was choosing to believe it happened?

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That wasn't my question. My question
was would they they completely convinced? Yeah,

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that's what I'm saying. I don't
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and they believed. But it does
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from our side, it seems a
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can't believe they didn't believe. Jesus
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But at the same time, you
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that I went to see last night
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not based on biblical fact. It's
it's it's actually based on the biblical efacts

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are in the Bible, but then
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there's a ton of hypothetical in there. And so that's what I'm meaning.

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It's definitely based on the facts in
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one of the things that it did
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perceiving or receiving in a little bit
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we'd be tempted to read and you
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the scriptures. You know, well, actually it does say. It says

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they went and they saw and believed. So it is it is so they

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saw the empty tomb and believed.
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But it was the I think the
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one said they went home again wondering
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yeah, after seeing the empty tomb
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and here's my point about the Chosen
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Jesus is talking about his death,
and you know, he says something about

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the temple and things, and they're
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being literal or not right, and
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it just opened my mind to go, you know what, that's correct,

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Like Jesus often said things that were
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of me that goes, oh,
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that, you know, maybe they
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I don't think he was meaning literal
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must you know, die and rise
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for? You know, it just
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to the fact that, you know, let's give the disciples a little bit

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of grace here. Sure, oh
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when they when they see these the
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in that moment. Thomas didn't believe
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I'm not sure, but again it
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the empty tomb in the resurrected Jesus. Right, we only have the testimony.

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We only have the testimony. However, we have to consider the fact

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that Jesus makes himself real in our
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I always like to say is I
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if you're a skeptic and you want
to explain away the the you know,

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the the inconsistencies in the Bible,
right, you want to explain away

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how the Bible isn't real, Lord, it's written by man, or maybe

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you're trying to disprove the resurrection.
There's not enough evidence for you personally.

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And you could try to do that
all day long. Right, you can

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just try to explain away everything,
But the one thing you can never explain

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away are the billions of people who
have experienced Jesus firsthand, the billions of

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people who have who have whose lives
have miraculously been changed by the same power

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of God, with the same testimony
being the same Jesus, who have stories

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that defy comprehension and defy the odds, and and and so of every by

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the way of every single culture,
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every continent, every person from everywhere. And so it's like, how can

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you explain that away from every generation? And the bottom line is you can't.

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You can't deny that. And so
even though that we don't necessarily we

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didn't have the privilege of seeing,
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know, touching his hands and his
feet, as Thomas is going to do

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in just a few moments in the
next couple episodes. But still, you

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know, we have the evidence of
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you know, you know, lets
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many of the other incidental evidences.
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if you and I were trying to
make up a religion, what we with

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a god, we would not admit
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Up to the point that they come
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right, what do you mean?
What right? All the first four followers

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of Jesus are shocked, the body's
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if they were John and Peter,
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a fake religion, they would have
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right, So just the little incidental
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that this is a legitimate record of
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because you would never confess that you
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right, and think about this too, God, God allowed it to happen

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that way and be recorded this way
for us to encourage us that, you

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know, sometimes we doubt, and
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That's right, even John didn't understand. So we can't be too hard

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on ourselves because as much has changed
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stayed the same, which is our
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to believe and walk by faith.
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he's asking us truly to, you
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in the unseen r So Hebrew says, you know, faith is the evidence

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of things unseen, that's right,
right, the things that the substance of

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things hoped for and the evidence of
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Well, I think that's a good
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on with the fantastic story next time. On the Bible guys