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I'm Travis Bader.

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Today, I am joined by Sarah McKinnon,
who is the data licensing unit head

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for the province of British Columbia
and Steven McKeever, the provincial

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policy and regulation analyst, and in
this episode of the Silvercore Podcast,

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we're going to attempt to delve into
all aspects of limited entry hunting

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in British Columbia, Sarah, Stephen,
welcome to the Silvercore Podcast.

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Thanks.

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You know, I find that so
often when people call up of a

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government, they overlook the fact.

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They're not that they're not just
talking to some faceless entity,

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rather they're talking to their friends
or neighbors or their associates.

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And to that end, I'd like to be
able to provide the audience with an

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opportunity to get to know a little bit
more about you, like a little bit about

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your background and how you came to be
in the role that you currently have.

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And Sarah, maybe I'll put
you in the hot seat first.

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Oh boy.

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I don't know where, uh, what you're
looking for, but, um, you know, I I'm

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from BC, uh, born and raised in BC
and, uh, went to university, uh, got a

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degree in math and statistics and, um,
and joined the branch, the wildlife and

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habitat branch in, um, 2011, I believe.

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Uh, um, Yeah, yeah.

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Analyzing data, working on the system
that we use to issue licenses and, uh,

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Leh applications and authorizations.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, you're, you're
very involved in all of that.

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I think the first time we met was
up, uh, somewhere in Northern BC

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at a, at a, at a wildlife event.

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That was a what, four
or five years ago now.

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Yeah,

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that sounds about right.

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Yeah.

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And how about you, Steven, your background
and how you got into your current role?

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Um, I was born and raised in Kamloops,
spent most of my, uh, childhood there.

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And, uh, at the age of 18, I kind of
went into the Bush and I didn't come out

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for about 15 or 20 years tree planting,
forestry, wildlife work, things like that.

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Uh, Got a degree from the university
college of the caribou it's Thompson

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rivers university now, and that natural
resource science program started

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with the wildlife branch in 2007.

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And so been there about 15 years now.

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Wow.

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So Leh limited entry hunting, NBC.

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It's something that seems to be
wrought with, uh, misinformation,

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different ideas, different concepts.

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And I'm not entirely sure why, because
the provincial government does a pretty

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good job of putting out information
online and within the Leh synopsis.

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And I'll have a link to your online
resources in the show notes and on,

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uh, in the YouTube description as well.

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But you know, some areas that
I think would be interesting

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for us to start was, would be.

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Uh, how did Leh kind of come about and BC,
uh, or maybe a little bit of the history

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of Leh from, from your understanding?

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Yeah.

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Uh, funny, I was talking to
some colleagues about this the

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other day, actually, an Leh was
originally put in place as a, as

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a method to distribute hunters.

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Um, it's good to have people
not concentrated in one place,

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hunting a specific species.

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I mean, if everybody goes to
the, that place, that's the

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hot spot that's close to town.

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I mean, it doesn't take long for
the populations there to, to become,

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you know, decreased and stuff.

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But it's a really important, we
want people to get out broadly.

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We want hunters to be in the back
country in the front country.

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We want distribution of hunters.

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And Leh was originally used as a tool
to distribute people, to kind of force

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people to go into newer places or
go drive maybe a little bit farther

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to get to their hunting grounds.

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Uh, it has evolved since then.

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I think the first Leh
draws were in the eighties.

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Something like that four comes
to mind, but I'm not sure.

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Um, it has evolved.

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I mean, now for the most part, and
I'd say over the last, since I've

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been around anyways 15 years, Leh
is more about supply and demand.

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If the demand for a specific species
of wildlife exceeds the supply.

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More moose hunters out there,
then the resource can sustain.

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There has to be a way to
control the number of hunters.

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You know, our, our, our first priority
as a wildlife branch is conservation.

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And anything else comes after that.

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Right?

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So that, that's, that's the first thing
we, we turn our minds to when, when

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looking at regulations, when looking
at, you know, Leh, whether it's an

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appropriate tool and things like that.

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Um, but it's, it's now I would say
the vast majority of Leh funds in

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the province are about supply and
demand where the resource just can't

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sustain the general open season.

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Right.

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Well, how was that determined?

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I mean, uh, is there a group of
scientists that will go out and, uh,

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Is there consultation with, uh, uh,
local groups to, to determine what

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the current supply is looking like.

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And, uh, and then the demand, I
guess, with Leh in place is going to

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be simple to figure out because if
it's an Leh only area, the demand is

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going to be self-evident and someone
like Sarah can look at those numbers

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and figure that out pretty quick.

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Um, how do, how is that supply
and demand kind of figured.

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Species-specific there's different
ways to do it for different

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species, but the overall formula
is, uh, a population estimate.

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You know, what starts with a population
estimate of biologist in a, in a, in an

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aircraft flying around counting animals.

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And then there's a lot of
science behind that too.

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And, you know, wildlife inventory,
there are standards that biologists

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have to use when they're doing these
inventories and they have things like

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site, correct stability factors where,
you know, you know, you're not going to

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see every single moose on the landscape.

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And depending on the conditions in
the snow and the weather and the fog

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and whatever the conditions might
be, you can actually say, you know,

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under these conditions we saw 70
moose and our correction factor.

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There's probably closer to a
hundred, that kind of thing.

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So all of it starts with
a population estimate.

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And then largely thanks to our
neighbors, to the south, who, who

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spend a lot of money researching,
you know, wildlife and sustainable

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harvest limits and things like that.

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We have a pretty good idea of what
the maximum sustainable harvest

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rate can be on a population.

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When I say sustainable, I mean,
hunting won't have a negative

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impact on the numbers, on the
number of animals out there.

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And it varies from species to species.

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And then, and it'll also
vary depending on habitats.

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You know, it's not one blanket thing
across the, across the province, but

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through some species like mountain
goat, we use a 3% harvest rate for

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populations over a hundred, I believe.

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So.

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You know, if you see there's a hundred
mountain goats on a, on a hill, the

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sustainable harvest rate that we have.

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Management plan is 3%.

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So three mountain goat can be taken.

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If this isn't an area that's close to
town and there's roads that access it.

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And we know that if it's a general open
season, there's going to be 50 hunters

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going up there, hunting mountain goat.

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It's probably going to result in an
unsustainable harvest that herd will,

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you know, the population will decline,
especially if nannies are taken.

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Um, so that's an example of where we'd
say, okay, we need to limit the number of

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hunters hunting that mountain cold Turkey.

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We'll put it on the entry hunting and
we'll give out a number of authorizations

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to try and hit that 3% number

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when issuing that let's say the 3% number.

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So if we had a hundred mountain goats
and we're going to now issue three Leh

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permits to harvest those three goats.

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Is the actual efficacy of the
harvest taking into consideration.

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Let's say those three go out
and all three were unsuccessful.

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Is that, is that part of
the calculation process?

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Like, is there a, uh, uh, an estimated
success rate, like, would you then

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issue five or, uh, would you just
hedge your bets and say, Nope.

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Three is where it's at.

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It's exactly how we do it.

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And it can be tricky when we have a new
Leh hunt and we don't have that success

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rate, that historical harvest rate
mountain goats, a good example to use

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because they're on compulsory inspection.

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We have a pretty good idea how many
mountain goats are out there being,

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being filled by know, licensed hunters.

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So, um, we do look at
the six success rates.

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Generally, you will use the last three
or five years in an average of that,

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you know, any, anything past there.

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We're probably getting a success rate
that doesn't represent real life today.

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You know, there may be new roads in there.

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The cost of gas might be down.

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The habitat might have changed.

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You know, there's all sorts of
factors that change over time.

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So we'll use the last three to five
years depending on the species and

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get an average success rate each year.

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If, I mean, if in the last five
years there has been 20 Leh

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authorizations issued for that
particular mountain goat hunt.

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Our compulsory inspection data
set shows us that 10 mountain

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goats have been harvested.

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We have a 50% success rate.

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So we will use that when we
factor calculate the next number

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of authorizations available,
we want three goats hunted.

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We have a 50% success rates.

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Generally we'll give out six
authorizations for that there's

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exceptions to every rule, but that
is the general formula that we use.

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Um, there's issues when we have new homes.

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And, you know, we don't
have that historical kind of

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harvest data to go off of.

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There's a few things we can do there.

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We can look at adjacent areas.

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Maybe there's an Leh in an area
that's close to there with similar

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kind of environmental conditions
and access and stuff like that.

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And kind of infer from
those success rates.

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And we also have a minimum success
rate, you know, if there's been 20

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authorizations given out in the last year
and we have had one goat harvested, I

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mean, in, in, and we want 10 per year,
there's a point where the success rates.

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So low times it by the number
of animals that you want to get

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killed, we'd be given out hundreds
and hundreds of authorizations.

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We can't do, we are limited through
the wildlife act regulations with the

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number of authorizations we can issue.

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It's a, it's a real range.

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Yeah, generally.

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So every single Leh, Hans
has a minimum and a maximum.

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Set by cabinet that, that we can, or
set by the minister that we can issue.

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And we can't, we can't go outside.

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Usually they start at one, not always.

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And they range up to some, some
species like goat, for example, you

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know, maybe it's one to five or one
to 10, and then we've got some hunts

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for deer and agricultural zones.

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They can go up to 5, 600, 1500, I think
we've had in the past kind of thing.

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Right.

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So, you know, a person
they get into hunting.

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They've got there, they've gone
through their, uh, safety training.

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They've done their safety testing.

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They've got their fish and wildlife.

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They go out and buy their tags and
they want to hunt in a certain area

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only to learn, Hey, this is going
to be an Leh hunt, limited entry.

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So I'm going to have
to make an application.

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Um, we've got three different types,
I guess you can apply individually.

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You can apply as a shared hunt
or you can apply as a group hunt.

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Uh, would you guys be able to kind
of break that down for the audience,

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kind of what that process looks like?

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Sure.

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Do you want me to tackle that one, Steve?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That one

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to

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me, um, any hunter can
apply for a individual hunt.

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Um, all Leh applications are available
for individual hunting and it is,

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uh, just as it sounds, you apply
on your own and you hope to win an

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authorization, uh, for moose and bison.

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I believe those are the two ones.

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Is that correct?

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Steve, just moose and bison
for shared hunts, though.

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If you apply for a moose and bison,
you can apply as a shared group.

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And what that means is a
group of individuals up to

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four can apply to receive.

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Each of them would receive
authorizations, but there's a group limit.

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And the goal is that a group of three
or four people, uh, could be authorized

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to harvest two animals and a group of
two or a two, two individuals could

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go out hunting together each with an
authorization, but together they're

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only allowed to harvest one animal.

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So that's a shared hunt application,
only available for most invasin.

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And basically it allows everybody
to go out hunting together, but

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not everybody to harvest an animal.

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The other kind of applications are group
applications for the other species.

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Um, and that is where a group of
hunters up to four, again, want

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to go out hunting together, but in
this case they would each receive an

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authorization to harvest an animal.

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So all four individuals
could harvest an animal.

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Um, so, uh, if a hunt only has an, an Leh
hunt only has two authorizations available

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and a group of four people apply, they
cannot win because there are not for

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authorizations available for that animal.

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Right.

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So what would be the advantage
of going in on a group hunt?

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Would it increase your
odds of being drawn?

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So one person on that
group ends up getting.

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Drawn the rest of the
group kind of tags along.

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It does not in the group.

00:16:06.420 --> 00:16:10.100
Applications does not increase
your odds of being drawn.

00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.100
The group goes into the
draw as one application.

00:16:14.400 --> 00:16:18.030
The benefit is that you get to go
out with your group of friends,

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um, and you all get to go together.

00:16:20.430 --> 00:16:24.480
You don't want to go hunting
alone in this area, perhaps.

00:16:24.510 --> 00:16:30.180
And so the benefit is you get to all go
together and you all get to hunt together.

00:16:30.569 --> 00:16:37.530
Um, a shared application on the other hand
does increase each person's odds because

00:16:37.949 --> 00:16:41.010
each application goes in on its own.

00:16:41.430 --> 00:16:45.329
Um, not as just one group, but
as each individual application.

00:16:45.329 --> 00:16:50.440
So yes, if you're a friend, uh, Comes
up on the list first and they get

00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.650
drawn, then the entire group will win.

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And so even if you're, you know,
number 180,000, um, in the list,

00:17:00.760 --> 00:17:05.560
uh, but your friend got drawn,
you'll also win an authorization.

00:17:05.560 --> 00:17:10.210
But again, um, the number of
animals available to harvest

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is, is not one per hunter.

00:17:15.390 --> 00:17:15.870
Right?

00:17:15.870 --> 00:17:16.380
Okay.

00:17:16.770 --> 00:17:23.130
So, uh, last season I did my
very first fly-in hunt and went

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up to the spats CZ plateau.

00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:28.500
And uh, was doing a caribou hunt.

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Didn't see a caribou the entire
time still had a fantastic time, was

00:17:32.399 --> 00:17:37.020
there with my wife and my son and
man, just what a great experience.

00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.350
There was one other group
that was up there as well.

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And they had a shared hunt for moose, and
there was a bit of commotion and concern

00:17:47.310 --> 00:17:52.800
because when they got up there, they
realized in all of their packing and all

00:17:52.800 --> 00:17:57.090
of this stuff that they brought up, they
forgot to bring some paperwork that's

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required for a shared hunt that isn't
necessarily required for a group hunt.

00:18:02.190 --> 00:18:03.530
Luckily, they're able to.

00:18:04.530 --> 00:18:08.610
Make contact with one individual
and their group hadn't flown in yet.

00:18:08.610 --> 00:18:13.350
And he was able to, uh, work to
get the paperwork they needed and

00:18:13.350 --> 00:18:14.610
they got it all flown in there.

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So it worked out, it just
put them back for a few days.

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But are you able to talk a little bit
about the difference of what's required

00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:25.290
for a Sherratt hunt, as opposed to
let's say an individual or group on,

00:18:26.130 --> 00:18:27.300
uh, yeah, for sure.

00:18:27.300 --> 00:18:32.820
So, um, for individual and group hunts,
uh, a hunter actually doesn't have to

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carry their Leh authorization with them.

00:18:36.210 --> 00:18:40.110
Um, uh, but they do of course
need their species license.

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Uh, but because the.

00:18:43.320 --> 00:18:47.639
Each individual is allowed
to harvest one animal.

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Um, there's no concern of over
harvest with the shared hunts because

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a group of four, for example, is
allowed to harvest only two animals.

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Uh, it's really important that
they know if an animal has been

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harvested and they've reached their
maximum of two, that they can't

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continue hunting for that species.

00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:17.909
Um, so that's, uh, why as your, uh, as
your, uh, story, um, alluded to there,

00:19:17.939 --> 00:19:21.419
the importance of having a harvest record.

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Basically the requirement is that if you
have a shared authorization with a group

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of hunters immediately upon killing an
animal, you must communicate that to

00:19:35.340 --> 00:19:37.830
the other hunters in your shared group.

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And each of them must write on their
harvest record, uh, where, and when

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that, uh, kill occurred so that we
can make sure that if a shared group

00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:54.510
before kills two animals, that no
more, uh, get killed after that.

00:19:57.770 --> 00:19:58.070
Okay.

00:19:58.070 --> 00:19:58.970
Good information.

00:19:59.570 --> 00:20:03.470
Now, you know, I guess a little, you
know, I'm going to save this other,

00:20:03.470 --> 00:20:06.800
uh, this tag question to the end, cause
I don't want to take us off the, uh,

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off the track that we're currently on.

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Um, can you apply for
multiples of a single species?

00:20:14.270 --> 00:20:14.510
Nope.

00:20:15.409 --> 00:20:18.470
One application per person per space.

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Only one exception to that rule.

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There we go.

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Steve, go ahead.

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If somebody applies for a
sheep in the Skeena region, we

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have an earlier draw for that.

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It's the spring draw.

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If they're unsuccessful in that early
scheme as sheep draw, they can then

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apply for his sheep somewhere else.

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Okay.

00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:48.000
If  in the early sheep draw, then
they can apply for another one.

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And that makes sense.

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What about a, high-tech?

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Why isn't there some special,

00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:54.240
wow.

00:20:54.510 --> 00:20:57.780
It's part of the early draw
because there's a, there's,

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there's a spring season there,
but there's also a fall season.

00:21:01.890 --> 00:21:06.900
Um, so there's no, there's no second
draw for high to quiet Blackberry.

00:21:06.930 --> 00:21:09.630
There's no, you know, we've got
our spring draw that's earlier

00:21:09.630 --> 00:21:15.090
in our fall draw, which is coming
up in early June kind of thing.

00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:17.910
Um, yeah, for Heidegger wide
Blackberry there's there's.

00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:20.370
One application opportunity.

00:21:20.370 --> 00:21:20.730
That's it.

00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:22.230
Okay.

00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:28.980
And then for, let's say dear provincial
bag limit, uh, does Haida Gwaii kind of

00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:33.120
count outside that I know it's going a
little outside of Leh as, as this one,

00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:37.800
but fake limits are in independent, so
I'm not sure I understand the question.

00:21:39.360 --> 00:21:44.130
Uh, so for the province of BC, uh, how
many deer could you take in a year?

00:21:44.520 --> 00:21:44.880
Uh,

00:21:44.910 --> 00:21:48.090
three, unless you're on high
to Guam, then you can take 15.

00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:49.620
Okay.

00:21:49.650 --> 00:21:52.770
So that, that was just one of the
points that a little bit outside

00:21:52.770 --> 00:21:54.960
of Leh, but figured it might be.

00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:59.550
Elliot's story.

00:21:59.730 --> 00:22:02.400
Um, you know, that, that,
that, that regulation change.

00:22:02.410 --> 00:22:03.210
It wasn't contentious.

00:22:03.210 --> 00:22:05.160
I won't get into that, but, uh, sure.

00:22:05.490 --> 00:22:12.060
Prior to the black bear on Heidegger,
I going on to Leh, we had our harvest

00:22:12.060 --> 00:22:16.260
data suggested, you know, four to 10,
maybe six, you know, not a whole bunch

00:22:16.260 --> 00:22:22.230
of black bears being harvested, uh, by
resident hunters, um, annually, the number

00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.540
was quite low, not a lot of interest.

00:22:24.540 --> 00:22:29.340
I mean, our, our harvest data, isn't,
isn't a hundred percent accurate.

00:22:29.340 --> 00:22:32.940
We'll never claim that it is, but
you know, when we've got years and

00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:37.800
years of data that suggests that the
harvest is lower than 10, you know,

00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:39.240
there's probably something to it.

00:22:39.330 --> 00:22:42.360
Maybe it's a bit higher, but,
uh, you know, not a whole bunch.

00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:47.310
And so not a whole bunch of interest in
hunting blackberries on high to acquire.

00:22:47.310 --> 00:22:49.020
Then we went to Leh.

00:22:49.620 --> 00:22:52.740
And how many applications do
we yet for people to hunt on

00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:53.970
high-tech wine for black bear?

00:22:53.970 --> 00:22:54.660
Now it's two.

00:22:56.730 --> 00:23:01.070
Nope, just that kind of people want
things that are, that are rare or

00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:02.820
harder to get or whatever it is.

00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:08.280
The interest in hunting in black
bears on the hideaway skyrocketed once

00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:11.670
it went to Leh and there's probably
all kinds of reasons for it, but

00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.260
isn't that funny, you know,
everybody wants what they can have.

00:23:16.260 --> 00:23:17.100
It seems to be right.

00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:17.460
Kind of

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:17.730
thing.

00:23:17.760 --> 00:23:21.810
And they also probably look at
it along the lines of I've always

00:23:21.810 --> 00:23:23.160
wanted to go hunting there.

00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:28.740
Now, the only way that I can is if I go
through Leh, so I better start applying

00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:33.510
now just for that kind of, you know, once
in a lifetime or that dream opportunity

00:23:33.510 --> 00:23:38.520
that I've, that I've always wanted to do,
but you know, it, once it went on Leh,

00:23:38.520 --> 00:23:43.590
it seems like the interest in hunting
there just increase that amazingly

00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.240
interesting just from my human
psychological perspective.

00:23:48.285 --> 00:23:48.825
Yeah.

00:23:48.855 --> 00:23:51.795
And I wonder if that's something
that, that you guys have

00:23:51.795 --> 00:23:53.415
seen born out in other areas.

00:23:53.415 --> 00:23:57.555
Like if that's part of the planning
process, if you say, okay, this

00:23:57.555 --> 00:24:01.365
area is now going to Leh or making
a change to Leh, it's like sticking

00:24:01.365 --> 00:24:04.185
your finger in the bowl of water
and not expecting to see ripples.

00:24:04.185 --> 00:24:07.875
And some of those ripples can be
positive and some of those poles

00:24:07.875 --> 00:24:09.615
can have some very unintended

00:24:09.615 --> 00:24:10.365
consequences.

00:24:10.395 --> 00:24:10.695
Yeah.

00:24:10.725 --> 00:24:15.555
And it, honestly, it's not something
that I would, uh, that we would turn

00:24:15.555 --> 00:24:19.575
our minds to, you know, we'll go to
Leh somewhere and then more people

00:24:19.575 --> 00:24:21.075
may be interested in hunting there.

00:24:21.735 --> 00:24:23.685
Um, now I'm curious myself.

00:24:23.685 --> 00:24:26.955
And so while whilst Sarah probably answers
the next question, I'm gonna actually

00:24:26.955 --> 00:24:28.845
find that, that, that exact number.

00:24:30.675 --> 00:24:31.365
Fair enough.

00:24:31.635 --> 00:24:35.235
Um, so, so Sarah, I see
that there's Leh for Turkey.

00:24:35.235 --> 00:24:39.405
Now, do you know if there's any
thoughts of any future additions to Leh?

00:24:40.125 --> 00:24:42.165
I probably have to answer that one too.

00:24:42.795 --> 00:24:44.115
You better answer that, Steve?

00:24:44.115 --> 00:24:44.595
I don't know.

00:24:47.159 --> 00:24:47.459
Yeah.

00:24:47.520 --> 00:24:52.709
Um, I mean, I wouldn't pre predetermined
what kind of proposals or decisions

00:24:52.709 --> 00:24:54.209
are going to be made in the future?

00:24:54.659 --> 00:24:59.850
We are proposing this year, a
December private land general open

00:24:59.850 --> 00:25:02.010
season Turkey hunt in the Coutnies.

00:25:02.730 --> 00:25:06.840
Um, we've got that posted online
as one of the, one of the, one of

00:25:06.840 --> 00:25:08.550
our regulation change proposals.

00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:16.050
Um, I mean, maybe it's, it's impossible
to say we do have Leh for Turkey.

00:25:16.050 --> 00:25:18.149
I think that's a December season as well.

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.060
Um, again, it's supply and demand.

00:25:21.449 --> 00:25:26.010
You know, if we find that that, that
there are conservation concerns or

00:25:26.010 --> 00:25:29.699
sustainability concerns with Turkey
hunting, then we would think about it.

00:25:29.699 --> 00:25:33.959
But from what I understand, talking
to the regional bio or a biologist

00:25:33.959 --> 00:25:37.889
and stuff, you know, there's, there's
no conservation concerns for Turkey

00:25:37.889 --> 00:25:39.120
and the Coutnies that I'm aware of.

00:25:40.455 --> 00:25:43.695
Is that essentially how the
conservation concerns would be relayed

00:25:43.785 --> 00:25:45.615
through the regional biologists?

00:25:46.635 --> 00:25:49.665
Or are there groups that would
come up and just say, Hey, look

00:25:49.665 --> 00:25:52.425
at, we're really concerned about
the population in this area.

00:25:52.485 --> 00:25:57.255
Are there other, uh, third parties or
individuals that raise these concerns?

00:25:57.575 --> 00:25:59.145
It's like the roots of a tree.

00:25:59.625 --> 00:26:04.845
I mean, they come from all over the
place we hear, we hear about, I'm

00:26:04.845 --> 00:26:07.785
not just going to say conservation
concerns, cause it goes both ways.

00:26:07.785 --> 00:26:12.375
We get information on wildlife
from first nations, stakeholders

00:26:12.435 --> 00:26:14.235
guide, Outfitters, ranchers.

00:26:14.865 --> 00:26:18.855
I mean, anybody in the public,
you know, nature clubs, uh,

00:26:19.635 --> 00:26:21.375
non-government organizations.

00:26:21.405 --> 00:26:26.835
We hear about wildlife information
from the public all the time.

00:26:27.045 --> 00:26:33.225
And you know, that that, that can help
wildlife biologists and setting what

00:26:33.225 --> 00:26:38.085
their priorities might be for studying
and the, in the, in the coming years.

00:26:39.465 --> 00:26:43.065
Yeah, that's, that's happened quite
a few times where we hear from

00:26:43.065 --> 00:26:46.754
multiple sources that, you know,
there's a, there's a concern about a

00:26:46.754 --> 00:26:48.735
specific species in a specific area.

00:26:48.735 --> 00:26:53.865
And so we may allocate some money in
some time to go and fly and do a bit

00:26:53.865 --> 00:26:58.575
of, uh, studying of that, of that
particular population, their situation.

00:27:00.045 --> 00:27:00.795
That makes sense.

00:27:00.795 --> 00:27:00.975
Yeah.

00:27:02.265 --> 00:27:04.275
Well, this might be a SIRA question.

00:27:04.995 --> 00:27:08.955
Sarah, can you provide some further
details on the weighting of the odds?

00:27:09.045 --> 00:27:12.735
Let's say against somebody that
has already been drawn, like for

00:27:12.735 --> 00:27:16.875
example, would a person be in the
proverbial penalty box for three

00:27:16.875 --> 00:27:21.015
years after a successful moose straw
after which time their odds reset?

00:27:21.825 --> 00:27:22.095
Yep.

00:27:22.185 --> 00:27:23.685
That's exactly how it works.

00:27:23.985 --> 00:27:24.254
Yup.

00:27:24.285 --> 00:27:25.665
That's exactly how it works.

00:27:25.665 --> 00:27:33.165
So I think the odds, uh, came in
in 1993, from what I recall, um,

00:27:33.705 --> 00:27:39.735
uh, From complaints or, or really
just increase in applications.

00:27:39.735 --> 00:27:43.604
And so, uh, individuals having
less of a chance of winning.

00:27:43.965 --> 00:27:49.425
Um, and so odds were implemented
to try and help people who hadn't

00:27:49.425 --> 00:27:51.735
won before, have a better chance.

00:27:52.155 --> 00:27:56.955
Um, and so that's exactly
right for, uh, moose and elk.

00:27:56.985 --> 00:28:02.955
It is it's three years, but if you
have one, an authorization and the last

00:28:02.955 --> 00:28:11.715
three years, uh, your odds are reduced
by 66%, um, in, in the current draw.

00:28:11.745 --> 00:28:17.415
And then three years later, if you
still have not won anything for three

00:28:17.415 --> 00:28:24.524
years, then your odds go back to,
um, uh, no penalty basically against,

00:28:24.524 --> 00:28:30.360
uh, against your application and for,
uh, Other species in the province.

00:28:30.390 --> 00:28:35.460
It's just one year back,
a 50% reduction in odds

00:28:37.620 --> 00:28:39.480
just for one year, just for one year.

00:28:39.550 --> 00:28:42.640
So my understanding, okay.

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.660
And my understanding of how that works
is essentially everyone who applies is

00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:50.530
given a random number in those numbers
are put out onto a giant spreadsheet.

00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:55.390
And based on the lower, their number
is these spreadsheets that starts

00:28:55.390 --> 00:29:02.590
going through 1, 2, 3, 4, but if
you've been drawn, every, let's say

00:29:02.830 --> 00:29:09.220
a third entry of a drawn person will
now no longer be eligible to be drawn.

00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:10.870
So you're basically just
going down the list.

00:29:10.870 --> 00:29:13.180
And if you are a number
of happened to be on the.

00:29:14.010 --> 00:29:17.880
Three and one, two and three have
all been drawn ups three you're out.

00:29:18.210 --> 00:29:20.370
Is that basically how it
works out for the 50%?

00:29:20.370 --> 00:29:21.360
It's every second person.

00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:21.960
That's

00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.360
exactly how it works per species.

00:29:24.570 --> 00:29:29.190
And of course it's not on a spreadsheet,
it's all done by the computer now.

00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:31.220
So it's, it's all been coded.

00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:34.290
Uh, we don't use a spreadsheet anymore.

00:29:35.850 --> 00:29:39.300
Um, so it's been coded into
the, into the computer system.

00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.110
Um, and by species that's
exactly what happens.

00:29:43.110 --> 00:29:48.720
It goes through, uh, issues,
authorizations to each individual.

00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:57.150
And, uh, if it reaches a person who has,
um, reduced odds and it's a 50% reduction.

00:29:58.169 --> 00:30:00.629
Skips that person moves on to the next.

00:30:00.629 --> 00:30:04.080
And then when it finds somebody,
the next person with reduced odds,

00:30:04.110 --> 00:30:06.540
it grants them an authorization.

00:30:06.600 --> 00:30:11.399
And then the next person with reduced
dogs comes along and it skips them and

00:30:11.399 --> 00:30:19.590
on and on and on, um, uh, 50% or every
second application that has reduced odds.

00:30:21.719 --> 00:30:24.149
Is there ever sort of
the opposite approach?

00:30:24.600 --> 00:30:25.709
Yeah, it does make sense.

00:30:26.179 --> 00:30:30.060
Is there ever an opposite approach, uh,
looked at, whereas let's say somebody is

00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:37.139
a brand new hunter or maybe to encourage
youth hunting or, um, that they have

00:30:37.139 --> 00:30:41.520
increased odds or is it just, we just
take those who've been drawn before and

00:30:41.699 --> 00:30:43.320
they're there in the proverbial penalty.

00:30:44.685 --> 00:30:48.825
Uh, we have definitely looked
at other jurisdictions.

00:30:48.855 --> 00:30:51.285
Um, and what other jurisdictions do?

00:30:51.285 --> 00:30:56.625
There are several different ways of,
uh, reducing odds, trying to make

00:30:56.625 --> 00:30:59.985
sure that the draw is random yet.

00:31:00.045 --> 00:31:06.015
Uh, people have a fair chance of
getting drawn and some provinces,

00:31:06.045 --> 00:31:12.225
uh, I know have a system where
over time your odds increase.

00:31:12.465 --> 00:31:16.605
So, you know, if you've been applying
for 10 years and you've never won.

00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:22.410
Uh, your odds start going up so
that you, you actually get a chance,

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.900
um, that doesn't work so well in
BC because we have so many hunters.

00:31:27.930 --> 00:31:34.020
And so that method, um, discourages new
hunters from applying because they know,

00:31:34.050 --> 00:31:36.960
oh, my odds are so low as a new hunter.

00:31:37.320 --> 00:31:43.920
Um, because I'm not given that incentive
until after 10 years of applying.

00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:50.040
Um, uh, we don't have a system where,
uh, new hunters have a better chance.

00:31:50.100 --> 00:31:54.960
Um, like you mentioned Travis,
uh, maybe, you know, to increase

00:31:54.990 --> 00:32:00.030
recruitment, um, because of course that
then penalizes the other people who

00:32:00.030 --> 00:32:01.920
have been applying for a long time.

00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.110
So there's, there's pros and cons.

00:32:05.355 --> 00:32:09.585
You know, unfortunately it's
also just luck of the draw.

00:32:09.585 --> 00:32:14.505
So some people get annoyed, you know,
I haven't one for so many years, but,

00:32:14.505 --> 00:32:19.155
uh, I keep applying for the loan to

00:32:23.445 --> 00:32:27.285
well, and he mentioned, uh,
like new hunter recruitment.

00:32:27.285 --> 00:32:30.945
And I know within conservation
organizations, new hunter recruitment

00:32:30.945 --> 00:32:33.825
and hunter retention are our big things.

00:32:34.425 --> 00:32:37.515
And throughout north America,
they're looking at different models

00:32:37.515 --> 00:32:40.395
to, uh, bring more into the fold.

00:32:40.395 --> 00:32:46.515
Is that something that the province
looks at as well as a, um, uh, as a

00:32:46.515 --> 00:32:48.975
priority within the wildlife area,

00:32:51.855 --> 00:32:54.645
uh, to answer that.

00:32:56.334 --> 00:33:00.685
We did have a, a hunter recruitment
and retention strategy back in

00:33:00.715 --> 00:33:04.344
around 2000, let's say 2008 to 2009.

00:33:04.344 --> 00:33:05.274
Something like that.

00:33:05.304 --> 00:33:07.495
Um, the number of hunters was low.

00:33:07.495 --> 00:33:14.094
I believe it went down to about 84,000
and we had a goal of, you know, getting

00:33:14.094 --> 00:33:16.824
up to a hundred thousand hunters by 2000.

00:33:16.824 --> 00:33:21.534
And so somewhere between 2010 to
2020, I can't remember what the exact

00:33:21.534 --> 00:33:23.364
date was, but, but we did get there.

00:33:23.455 --> 00:33:29.155
Um, we ended up now we have over a hundred
thousand hunters in the province and I'm

00:33:29.155 --> 00:33:36.715
not aware of any government initiative or
program right now to recruit more hunters

00:33:36.715 --> 00:33:40.014
into the, into the activity sports.

00:33:40.524 --> 00:33:45.240
Um, No, there's no real pressing
pressing thing at the moment

00:33:45.450 --> 00:33:46.830
for recruitment or retention.

00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:53.310
So Sarah, when you're talking about, and
I've heard, I heard of, I hear it a lot.

00:33:54.090 --> 00:33:56.730
I put in every single
year, I never get drawn.

00:33:56.730 --> 00:33:57.840
What's going on.

00:33:57.840 --> 00:33:58.110
Right?

00:33:58.110 --> 00:33:59.430
It's it's rigged.

00:33:59.430 --> 00:34:00.120
It's against me.

00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:01.800
There's there's gotta
be something wrong here.

00:34:02.550 --> 00:34:06.690
Uh, do you have advice for people
like that who never get drawn,

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:11.100
uh, to perhaps increase their
odds in some way, shape or form?

00:34:12.045 --> 00:34:18.375
Uh, well, it's really about, uh,
the odds in terms of how many

00:34:18.375 --> 00:34:22.755
authorizations are available and
how many applications we receive.

00:34:23.264 --> 00:34:27.884
So of course, uh, we can't tell you
in advance of the draw, how many

00:34:27.884 --> 00:34:29.864
applications we're going to get.

00:34:30.194 --> 00:34:34.335
Um, but we do publish
the previous year's odds.

00:34:34.364 --> 00:34:40.275
And so that's a good indication if this
is a popular area and there's always

00:34:40.574 --> 00:34:44.085
many, many hunters who apply and there's.

00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:49.230
One tentative authorization that
it's going to be really hard

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.050
to get that one authorization.

00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.800
Um, so, so that's really, the only advice
I can give is just, um, look at the odds.

00:34:59.100 --> 00:35:04.470
Uh, if it's, uh, a hunt that was
opened last year and, uh, thousands

00:35:04.470 --> 00:35:08.880
of people applied for that one
authorizations that it's likely going

00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.080
to be the same scenario and it's going
to be hard to get an authorization.

00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:19.530
Um, of course that's often, uh, in, in
areas that are more easily accessible.

00:35:19.830 --> 00:35:24.690
Um, so you might have to travel a bit
farther, but just checking out those odds

00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:31.590
and you guys make that readily apparent,
and I've always questioned myself.

00:35:32.190 --> 00:35:33.330
Why don't people do that?

00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:35.130
These people who are complaining,
why don't they just look at

00:35:35.130 --> 00:35:36.570
the eyes and make a commitment?

00:35:36.570 --> 00:35:39.840
Okay, I'm going to travel,
but I've got way better odds.

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.759
If I go out to this one area, Then, if I
try to do it within, let's say close to

00:35:44.759 --> 00:35:49.980
the lower mainland, I, uh, looking at the
odds that that was the only one that I

00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:50.310
know of.

00:35:50.609 --> 00:35:51.000
Yeah.

00:35:51.029 --> 00:35:52.440
Yeah, no, it's very true.

00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.759
It's just of course making the commitment
to, to do that travel and the extra

00:35:56.759 --> 00:36:01.919
time and coordination and planning,
um, I think is really the, the big,

00:36:02.009 --> 00:36:06.540
uh, drawback, I guess, but then you
get out in the middle of nowhere with

00:36:06.540 --> 00:36:08.250
nobody else, so you can enjoy it.

00:36:10.230 --> 00:36:12.419
That's not a drawback to me personally.

00:36:12.419 --> 00:36:15.270
I don't mind trying to set
aside a little bit of time, you

00:36:15.270 --> 00:36:17.040
know, there's another aspect to that too.

00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:17.310
Right?

00:36:17.310 --> 00:36:21.180
You can't just look at limited entry,
hunting in isolation without looking at

00:36:21.180 --> 00:36:23.370
the other hunting opportunities and VC.

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.529
I mean, so you didn't get
nearly H draw compared to almost

00:36:28.529 --> 00:36:30.149
everywhere else in north America.

00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:33.720
I mean, you're still gonna have a
chance to hunt something close to home.

00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.759
Um, yeah, you can't, you can't
look at Leh and isolation.

00:36:40.580 --> 00:36:42.590
I don't know how else to describe
it, but there's still going

00:36:42.590 --> 00:36:43.790
to be ongoing opportunity.

00:36:44.120 --> 00:36:48.200
If you don't get your early HDR, you still
got a chance to make some plans and get

00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:52.700
out in the woods with your friends and
your family and have those experiences.

00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.120
Yeah, we're, we're definitely
blessed in that regard.

00:36:56.150 --> 00:37:01.640
You know, I had a podcast
recently, a fellow out of Idaho.

00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:04.370
It seems Brad Brooks, he's got
a company called our galley and

00:37:05.029 --> 00:37:08.720
he's got a media company as well,
puts out some really good content.

00:37:09.590 --> 00:37:13.460
And, uh, he was saying, you
know, you guys are so blessed.

00:37:13.460 --> 00:37:16.550
Like you've got a general
open season for sheep.

00:37:16.970 --> 00:37:19.279
I mean, we, we just don't have that.

00:37:19.279 --> 00:37:20.270
How do you have that?

00:37:20.330 --> 00:37:23.120
I did a float hunt this last season.

00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:26.210
I wasn't successful, but I was successful
in having a heck of a lot of fun.

00:37:26.210 --> 00:37:30.950
And I took a whitewater raft on the
Fraser river for a week and checked

00:37:30.950 --> 00:37:32.420
out some pretty interesting areas.

00:37:33.285 --> 00:37:34.634
But you're right there.

00:37:35.235 --> 00:37:40.305
We are pretty lucky to have these
opportunities that lie within and

00:37:40.305 --> 00:37:42.435
outside of the limited entry hunting.

00:37:42.615 --> 00:37:42.855
Yeah.

00:37:43.755 --> 00:37:47.955
One of the things he brought
up though was, uh, as an

00:37:47.955 --> 00:37:51.375
American, um, what are the rules?

00:37:51.915 --> 00:37:54.675
What are the rules for me to be
able to come in and, and do a

00:37:54.675 --> 00:37:56.895
hunt in, in BC as a non-resident?

00:37:56.895 --> 00:37:58.035
Can he do an Leh?

00:37:58.035 --> 00:38:00.315
And does he need a guide if he does that?

00:38:01.665 --> 00:38:02.415
There's a couple of ways.

00:38:02.415 --> 00:38:03.345
Sarah, do you want me to

00:38:04.255 --> 00:38:05.355
go ahead Steve, to do

00:38:05.355 --> 00:38:09.195
that one non-residents
can't apply for Leh.

00:38:09.255 --> 00:38:13.455
Leh is only available to resident hunters,
and you have to prove your residency

00:38:13.455 --> 00:38:16.515
through your hunter, three-year fish
and wildlife ID and all that stuff.

00:38:17.235 --> 00:38:20.715
Uh, there's specific to big game.

00:38:20.985 --> 00:38:24.405
There's two ways that a non-resident
can hunt big game in BC.

00:38:24.405 --> 00:38:27.315
One is to hire the services of
a licensed guide Outfitters.

00:38:28.065 --> 00:38:32.145
And the other one is to get the
resident of BPC BC to apply for

00:38:32.145 --> 00:38:33.674
a permit to accompany for them.

00:38:34.154 --> 00:38:37.335
Those are the only ways
that a non-resident can hunt

00:38:37.335 --> 00:38:38.504
big game in the province.

00:38:40.004 --> 00:38:45.944
So a permit to accompany is that, uh,
sorta done by lottery as well, or is

00:38:45.944 --> 00:38:48.765
that a, you pay your fee and you're good.

00:38:48.884 --> 00:38:49.185
That's the

00:38:49.185 --> 00:38:52.665
discretion of the regional manager,
wherever it, whoever that might

00:38:52.665 --> 00:38:55.245
be there's nine different regions,
but I think there's eight different

00:38:55.245 --> 00:38:59.565
regional managers and they will review
the permit to company applications.

00:38:59.565 --> 00:39:04.935
And if somebody wants a permit to
hunt moose in an area where moose

00:39:04.935 --> 00:39:08.325
hunting is extremely important
and popular to resident hunters,

00:39:08.325 --> 00:39:09.585
they're probably not going to get it.

00:39:10.154 --> 00:39:13.245
Um, you know, whereas if somebody
wants a permit to a company to hunt

00:39:13.245 --> 00:39:17.535
white tail deer somewhere they're
abundant, they reproduce quickly.

00:39:17.535 --> 00:39:20.295
There's really no concerns in
most of the province about them.

00:39:20.325 --> 00:39:21.855
You know, they'll
probably going to get it.

00:39:23.730 --> 00:39:26.970
Permit to accompany is
more likely to be approved.

00:39:26.970 --> 00:39:31.920
If the interest in resident hunting
for that species in that area is lower.

00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:35.610
If there's high interest for
resident hunters, it's less likely

00:39:35.610 --> 00:39:36.870
that the permit to company will be

00:39:36.870 --> 00:39:37.200
approved.

00:39:38.700 --> 00:39:39.420
That makes sense.

00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:39.630
Yeah.

00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:39.900
And

00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:43.290
just to add to that again, for me at
the discretion of the regional manager

00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:49.470
and permit to accompany our, not
for limited entry hunting, it's just

00:39:49.470 --> 00:39:51.630
for general open season hunting.

00:39:54.150 --> 00:39:54.960
Good point.

00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:55.860
Good point.

00:39:56.700 --> 00:39:58.590
So here's another question I hear.

00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:02.100
I put in every single year I pay my money.

00:40:02.100 --> 00:40:03.780
What's that money going towards

00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:08.210
Steve?

00:40:08.870 --> 00:40:10.340
I'm going to look in the wildlife act.

00:40:11.810 --> 00:40:17.390
So the wildlife act is the, is the
legislation that, um, that that's

00:40:17.390 --> 00:40:18.950
most of the hunting related things.

00:40:18.950 --> 00:40:22.190
I mean, if anybody on the podcast wants
to just have a look through it, it's.

00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.430
It, as far as legislation goes,
it's pretty fascinating to read.

00:40:27.060 --> 00:40:31.290
Um, you know, especially I like the,
uh, the wildlife act itself and then

00:40:31.290 --> 00:40:34.770
the designation exemption regulation,
that's confusing, but you know,

00:40:34.770 --> 00:40:35.910
there's lots of good stuff in there.

00:40:35.910 --> 00:40:37.680
So I'm just open it up here now.

00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:46.050
And, uh, the wildlife act has a list
of the fees and then the S and then

00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:50.400
the H the habitat conservation trust
foundation surcharge on top of each one.

00:40:51.120 --> 00:40:55.170
So every time somebody buys a license
or a permit under the wildlife act,

00:40:55.170 --> 00:41:00.180
a portion of that will go to general
revenue, hospitals, schools, highways,

00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:01.350
you know, whatever that might be.

00:41:01.350 --> 00:41:06.390
And then a portion will go directly
to the HCPF generally on average,

00:41:06.390 --> 00:41:12.330
it's about 25 to 30% of, of the fees
that people pay, go to the H CTF.

00:41:13.020 --> 00:41:18.149
And I'm trying to find the list for
Leh licenses, but, um, I need to

00:41:18.149 --> 00:41:19.589
go somewhere else to find those.

00:41:19.589 --> 00:41:22.919
So you might have to bear with
me or going to the next question.

00:41:23.549 --> 00:41:23.759
Yeah.

00:41:23.759 --> 00:41:26.009
And we can always throw it
in the notes again after two.

00:41:26.459 --> 00:41:33.029
Uh, and that's the, the old trope,
they always say, you know, hunters

00:41:33.029 --> 00:41:35.310
support conservation in, sorry.

00:41:35.310 --> 00:41:39.990
The application fee is $5 and
then a surcharge of $1 per

00:41:39.990 --> 00:41:42.359
Leh application goes to HCPF.

00:41:43.259 --> 00:41:43.740
Okay.

00:41:45.060 --> 00:41:46.980
So let me just take a look.

00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:48.540
I got a few different questions here.

00:41:48.629 --> 00:41:50.819
Uh, we talked about the
weighting of the draws.

00:41:51.419 --> 00:41:55.830
Um, you know, Stephen, you're mentioning
a boat, looking to her neighbors

00:41:55.830 --> 00:42:00.060
sound to the south of book, how they
look at conservation and they've

00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:01.560
done some great research on that.

00:42:02.430 --> 00:42:08.370
When I look at Washington, I've never
hunted in Washington, but I've been

00:42:08.370 --> 00:42:13.770
reading a boat, a mentorship program
that they have there and where state

00:42:13.830 --> 00:42:17.520
approved mentors, people who've been
hunting for X period of time, clean

00:42:17.520 --> 00:42:19.490
criminal record checks all, all the rest.

00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:23.400
They look like a good person to be out
there, mentoring others and showing

00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.920
them ethical and legal ways to, to
haunted harvest animals are provided

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.600
an incentive in following years for
their, uh, limited entry hunting.

00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:38.130
Is this something that's ever come up
with, uh, in discussion in BC that you're

00:42:38.130 --> 00:42:38.580
aware of?

00:42:38.819 --> 00:42:40.890
I have never heard that before.

00:42:40.890 --> 00:42:44.460
I didn't know that Washington
had such a program in place.

00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:48.600
We have something kind of similar in BC
with the initiation on their license.

00:42:48.600 --> 00:42:52.020
I mean, it's hard to get into hunting
without somebody to show you the ropes.

00:42:52.020 --> 00:42:55.350
It's not one of those things
that you can just pick up and

00:42:55.410 --> 00:42:57.299
be good at and in a week or so.

00:42:57.299 --> 00:43:01.980
It takes a lot of time and, and, and
experience and somebody to show you what.

00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:05.040
Not always, but that's sure it's helpful.

00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:08.140
Um, so we've got the initiation,
the hunting license in

00:43:08.140 --> 00:43:10.110
BC that is kind of aimed.

00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:12.900
That was part of our hunter
recruitment and retention strategy

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:14.700
actually was that initiation license.

00:43:14.700 --> 00:43:19.740
Where if a person isn't sure that they
want to become a hunter, they, they're

00:43:19.740 --> 00:43:23.160
not sure that they want to invest the
time and that bit of money to take

00:43:23.160 --> 00:43:24.900
the hunter safety training program.

00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:26.670
They can get a license still.

00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.480
They have to be accompanied and supervised
by somebody who meets some qualifications.

00:43:32.690 --> 00:43:36.450
Essentially that means that they have
to be accompanied and supervised by an

00:43:36.450 --> 00:43:38.190
experienced hunter while they're doing it.

00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.750
Anything that they kill would come off
the bag limit of that supervising hunter.

00:43:43.080 --> 00:43:48.720
I think we sell around a thousand to 1500
energy initiation hunting licenses a year.

00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:50.030
I like to think that a lot of those.

00:43:51.675 --> 00:43:52.725
Enjoy themselves.

00:43:52.725 --> 00:43:57.285
And, you know, then move on to take hunter
safety training and then get their own

00:43:57.285 --> 00:43:58.965
hunting license and their own bag limit.

00:43:59.535 --> 00:44:02.595
You can only get one initiation
hunting license in a lifetime.

00:44:02.655 --> 00:44:06.945
She didn't get your one shot to try
this thing out that maybe you're curious

00:44:06.945 --> 00:44:12.555
about, but there we've never talked or
thought or brainstormed how that could

00:44:12.555 --> 00:44:19.935
be connected to some sort of Leh system
or preference system that I know of.

00:44:19.935 --> 00:44:20.445
Anyways.

00:44:21.495 --> 00:44:22.125
Interesting.

00:44:22.155 --> 00:44:22.335
Yeah.

00:44:22.335 --> 00:44:24.915
I guess the thinking is as a
mentor going out as similar

00:44:24.915 --> 00:44:26.325
to the initiates every word.

00:44:27.435 --> 00:44:27.735
Yeah.

00:44:27.885 --> 00:44:28.335
That's it.

00:44:28.575 --> 00:44:31.065
Cause they're, they're losing
their time, but they're gaining.

00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:36.030
They're gaining more hunters out there and
people doing it properly, which is when

00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:41.400
you say it's hard to get into it is it's
expensive and there's so much information.

00:44:41.970 --> 00:44:45.930
Most people will never become
quote unquote experts in it

00:44:45.930 --> 00:44:47.040
throughout their lifetime.

00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:49.620
They might get really good
in certain areas, but it's,

00:44:49.740 --> 00:44:51.750
it's a very broad spectrum.

00:44:51.780 --> 00:44:56.340
So to be able to gain that knowledge from
others who are experienced in the field

00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:01.590
is I think beneficial to the province
from a, from a monetary perspective,

00:45:01.620 --> 00:45:03.480
beneficial to wildlife in the management.

00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.140
And you know, when hunters talk about
hunter retention recruitment, I think

00:45:07.140 --> 00:45:11.610
there's a lot of, there's a lot to be said
for, for having reward systems like that.

00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:14.220
Just my two bits.

00:45:15.210 --> 00:45:20.910
Um, so, you know, off-air, we're
talking about some funny things as

00:45:20.910 --> 00:45:28.890
well, Sarah, but what are some of the,
uh, common or maybe interesting things,

00:45:28.890 --> 00:45:31.050
common questions that you receive.

00:45:32.325 --> 00:45:35.955
Or interesting things that people
might not necessarily think about when

00:45:35.955 --> 00:45:39.945
it comes to a limited entry hunting
or just hunting in general in BC?

00:45:41.715 --> 00:45:49.875
Uh, well, uh, I guess I can speak maybe to
the, the applications process in general.

00:45:49.905 --> 00:45:56.445
Um, you know, uh, previous to
the current online system where

00:45:56.625 --> 00:46:01.665
people can apply online, we had
the paper Leh application cards.

00:46:02.700 --> 00:46:02.970
Boy.

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:08.549
I remember those cards coming in in
the bucket fall and we would hire,

00:46:09.149 --> 00:46:14.700
you know, six exhilarate staff,
young students, usually to come

00:46:14.700 --> 00:46:17.279
in and help process those boxes.

00:46:17.279 --> 00:46:19.620
And they were piled high.

00:46:19.950 --> 00:46:25.560
Especially in that last week, we would
get, you know, 90,000 paper applications

00:46:26.100 --> 00:46:31.109
and every single one of those applications
had to be looked at, make sure we can read

00:46:31.109 --> 00:46:34.169
the writing, uh, typed into a computer.

00:46:34.169 --> 00:46:34.770
So a.

00:46:36.060 --> 00:46:42.089
It was fun, but it was definitely took
a lot of time after the closing date.

00:46:43.560 --> 00:46:47.549
It's fun looking back at it
at the time, maybe it wasn't.

00:46:47.549 --> 00:46:50.040
So, um, but you know,

00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:51.299
the dates, analytically

00:46:51.299 --> 00:46:58.439
minded, the closing date would come and
go and we'd still for weeks be sorting

00:46:58.439 --> 00:47:01.169
through those paper application cards.

00:47:01.529 --> 00:47:06.359
Um, so we get a lot of questions about,
you know, why don't you just run the

00:47:06.359 --> 00:47:09.629
draw right away after that closing date.

00:47:10.169 --> 00:47:15.629
Um, and, uh, and, and, you know,
previously when it was paper-based

00:47:15.660 --> 00:47:20.220
that always took us a while to get
through those paper application

00:47:20.220 --> 00:47:27.720
cards, but even often, and, and now,
uh, definitely, um, the applications

00:47:27.720 --> 00:47:30.180
are all in and ready to go, but.

00:47:30.945 --> 00:47:35.025
The final number of authorizations
still haven't been finalized.

00:47:35.025 --> 00:47:39.345
You know, there are, uh, potentially
concerns about the number of

00:47:39.345 --> 00:47:44.295
authorizations to be issued and work
still being done on those estimates.

00:47:44.325 --> 00:47:49.845
But Steve talked about in terms of harvest
and success rates and the population

00:47:49.845 --> 00:47:52.605
estimate and, and sustainable harvest.

00:47:52.605 --> 00:47:58.035
So oftentimes we've got everything in
ready to go in the draw and we're waiting

00:47:58.365 --> 00:48:00.375
to make sure those numbers are right.

00:48:00.435 --> 00:48:04.695
And those numbers get signed off
before we can now push the button

00:48:04.695 --> 00:48:07.275
and the system does the draw for us.

00:48:07.275 --> 00:48:11.115
But I would say that's one of,
one of our biggest questions.

00:48:11.115 --> 00:48:13.125
Why haven't you run the dry yet?

00:48:14.505 --> 00:48:15.585
Right.

00:48:15.975 --> 00:48:16.695
Okay.

00:48:16.785 --> 00:48:16.995
Yeah.

00:48:17.025 --> 00:48:19.875
And that's, that was actually going to
be one of my questions, like how was

00:48:19.875 --> 00:48:22.905
that draw date determined and it really.

00:48:23.685 --> 00:48:29.355
There isn't a set date aside from
making sure we're within the spectrum

00:48:29.355 --> 00:48:33.555
before everything happens and we've
got the best possible information

00:48:33.765 --> 00:48:35.145
to make the best possible decision.

00:48:35.145 --> 00:48:35.505
Is that

00:48:36.105 --> 00:48:37.275
that's exactly it.

00:48:37.305 --> 00:48:37.605
Yep.

00:48:37.665 --> 00:48:43.455
And, and we use the hunter sample survey
that goes out every year, in addition, uh,

00:48:43.485 --> 00:48:50.445
to the, the population estimates, um, uh,
and other factors that go into determining

00:48:50.445 --> 00:48:52.725
those, those authorization numbers.

00:48:52.725 --> 00:48:57.135
So, uh, you know, we're, we're
tabulating the hunter sample survey

00:48:57.195 --> 00:49:02.025
data, the results of, of what people
have told us they harvested last

00:49:02.025 --> 00:49:04.935
year, um, and hunted for last year.

00:49:04.935 --> 00:49:06.465
So it all goes in.

00:49:06.465 --> 00:49:09.555
And, and so those are all
pieces of information that

00:49:09.555 --> 00:49:11.415
feed into that final decision.

00:49:12.045 --> 00:49:17.085
Um, I don't know if you have other
pieces to talk about related to

00:49:17.085 --> 00:49:19.065
that steam or, or if that covers of.

00:49:20.865 --> 00:49:22.035
Which covers most of it.

00:49:22.035 --> 00:49:25.215
I mean, we're bound on one side
with the application deadline,

00:49:25.215 --> 00:49:26.355
usually it's the end of may.

00:49:26.355 --> 00:49:28.905
And so obviously we're not going
to run the draw prior to the

00:49:28.905 --> 00:49:30.915
deadline and then pass then.

00:49:30.915 --> 00:49:35.115
I mean, we, we do try to run
the draw as soon as we can.

00:49:35.145 --> 00:49:37.215
We understand that people
need to make plans.

00:49:37.215 --> 00:49:38.865
You know, some of these are really remote.

00:49:38.865 --> 00:49:40.695
People need to book
holidays, all that stuff.

00:49:40.725 --> 00:49:43.065
We are always conscious about that.

00:49:43.065 --> 00:49:46.845
And we're always trying to
run the draws soon as we can,

00:49:46.845 --> 00:49:48.525
but there is a balance to it.

00:49:49.155 --> 00:49:52.875
And, uh, you know, there's a, there's
a bit of a tipping point sometime in

00:49:52.875 --> 00:49:55.035
mid June, sorry, early June where.

00:49:56.234 --> 00:49:59.234
Sarah's wonderful staff
has crunched the numbers.

00:49:59.265 --> 00:50:04.694
They've produced the Leh harvest survey
and the hunter survey and all of those

00:50:04.694 --> 00:50:08.535
numbers that, that then the biologists
can take a closer look at it and

00:50:08.535 --> 00:50:12.705
compare with their inventory numbers
and, and other factors, you know, maybe

00:50:12.705 --> 00:50:14.205
there's some people out with concerns.

00:50:14.205 --> 00:50:18.555
Maybe there's a new road going into a
place that makes them a little anxious

00:50:18.555 --> 00:50:20.384
about giving out too many authorizations.

00:50:20.415 --> 00:50:24.134
But there's a balance between running
the draw as soon as possible to give

00:50:24.134 --> 00:50:29.475
hunters time to plan and giving wildlife
managers and ultimately the director

00:50:29.475 --> 00:50:33.645
of the wildlife branch who signs off
on that, that though on those numbers,

00:50:33.645 --> 00:50:38.625
giving that person a high enough level of
comfort that, you know, he or she knows

00:50:38.625 --> 00:50:43.515
that they have the most recent complete
data on which to make the decision.

00:50:43.515 --> 00:50:49.035
So, you know, if there's a delay, a long
delay, for example, between when the.

00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:51.270
Deadline is.

00:50:51.270 --> 00:50:54.930
And when the draw happens, it means
that in the background, there is

00:50:54.930 --> 00:50:57.690
some piece of information that
we're still trying to figure out.

00:50:58.080 --> 00:51:02.759
Some survey results, some results
from an inventory, maybe there's

00:51:02.759 --> 00:51:06.509
negotiations happening somewhere in
the province about some topic, you

00:51:06.509 --> 00:51:09.509
know, there's, there's, there's going
to be some piece of information.

00:51:09.779 --> 00:51:13.529
Once we have that all collected, we run
the draw as soon as possible after that

00:51:15.150 --> 00:51:16.230
good information.

00:51:17.100 --> 00:51:23.040
Um, so Sarah, we've got like
a first and second choice, uh,

00:51:23.069 --> 00:51:25.680
options that we can put on our Leh.

00:51:25.710 --> 00:51:27.900
Can you, can you talk a bit
about that and how that works?

00:51:28.529 --> 00:51:29.700
Uh, yeah, for sure.

00:51:29.700 --> 00:51:34.380
So, uh, the first choice, uh,
hunt code that people put in

00:51:34.529 --> 00:51:38.100
it's really, um, their main.

00:51:38.955 --> 00:51:42.015
Opportunity to win an authorization.

00:51:42.375 --> 00:51:47.685
Um, the S the, uh, the computer system
goes through and looks at that first

00:51:47.685 --> 00:51:54.315
choice and awards, uh, people, their first
choice hunt opportunity where possible.

00:51:54.585 --> 00:52:00.165
Um, and, and it goes through, as we
talked about, um, with reduced odds,

00:52:00.405 --> 00:52:04.215
and then it goes through the list
again, if there are more authorizations

00:52:04.215 --> 00:52:09.315
available and grants authorizations to
people, even if they have reduced odds,

00:52:09.675 --> 00:52:17.310
um, If there's a third pass, uh, that
the computer does that then looks at,

00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:22.860
you know, we have a few authorization
numbers available for this species.

00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:27.390
And everybody who asked for this
hunt code on their first choice,

00:52:27.660 --> 00:52:29.550
uh, received an authorization.

00:52:29.850 --> 00:52:32.940
So now it starts looking
at second choices.

00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.950
So an individual who applied for something
and didn't get it on their first choice.

00:52:38.250 --> 00:52:42.870
Um, if their second choice is a
hunt that was under subscribed.

00:52:42.870 --> 00:52:48.300
So not as many applicants as
authorizations available, it

00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:54.870
then starts issuing second choice
authorizations, um, to those people.

00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:01.740
Uh, we used to have a substitute
hunt, a choice as well, but, um,

00:53:01.770 --> 00:53:05.580
that was only for grizzly bear and,
uh, that's no longer available.

00:53:08.819 --> 00:53:09.390
Right.

00:53:09.540 --> 00:53:12.240
And I don't know if I want to even talk
about that one right now, because that

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:13.890
might be a little bit too hot of a topic.

00:53:15.299 --> 00:53:18.120
You know, the second kind of thing.

00:53:18.120 --> 00:53:21.779
I mean, the policy intent behind
that, I was mentioning earlier,

00:53:21.779 --> 00:53:23.730
we want to distribute hunters.

00:53:24.629 --> 00:53:28.919
If a hunter, as Sarah said, is under
subscribed, which means that the

00:53:28.919 --> 00:53:30.930
supply actually exceeds the demand.

00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.980
There's a hundred authorizations available
and only 65 people have applied for them.

00:53:35.279 --> 00:53:38.819
Everybody who applied for a
first choice got their hunt.

00:53:39.270 --> 00:53:41.040
We still want people to go hunting there.

00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:42.689
There's a reason it's under subscribed.

00:53:42.689 --> 00:53:46.560
And it's probably because it's remote,
but we still want people to go hunting.

00:53:46.560 --> 00:53:49.770
There, there is a sustainable
harvest limit that can be taken

00:53:49.770 --> 00:53:52.710
and, and, and we kind of want
that to happen all over the place.

00:53:52.710 --> 00:53:58.080
So it's an incentive or an initiative
or a nudge for people to get

00:53:58.080 --> 00:53:59.549
into those more remote places.

00:54:00.359 --> 00:54:04.230
If somebody applies for a second
choice hunt for airy Roosevelt elk on

00:54:04.230 --> 00:54:07.350
Vancouver island, they're never going
to get it because those hunts are

00:54:07.350 --> 00:54:10.830
never undersubscribed first choices.

00:54:10.830 --> 00:54:14.100
The first is the first
pass in the first past.

00:54:14.129 --> 00:54:17.939
Every single authorization for Roosevelt
elk on the island is, is subscribed.

00:54:18.689 --> 00:54:21.600
So when you're picking your second
choice hunting, you got to pick those

00:54:21.600 --> 00:54:26.220
places that if you want to take that
kind of chance and learn a new place,

00:54:26.879 --> 00:54:28.589
explore a bit more of the province.

00:54:28.589 --> 00:54:33.180
You have to pick that second choice area
that is chronically under subscribed.

00:54:33.180 --> 00:54:36.120
If you want a guaranteed
hunt or, you know, close to

00:54:36.120 --> 00:54:38.730
that, one-to-one odds ratio.

00:54:38.850 --> 00:54:43.830
Um, but any hunt that is oversubscribed
where there's more applications than

00:54:43.830 --> 00:54:48.419
authorizations available, there's
no second choice hunts being issued.

00:54:49.470 --> 00:54:50.549
And that makes sense.

00:54:50.850 --> 00:54:51.149
Yeah.

00:54:53.025 --> 00:54:57.915
Has the promise ever contemplated
partnerships with landowners with

00:54:57.915 --> 00:55:01.904
access by Ellie aids for let's say
agricultural or property protection.

00:55:02.085 --> 00:55:02.384
Yeah.

00:55:02.714 --> 00:55:03.615
Yeah, we've tried it.

00:55:03.615 --> 00:55:08.265
I mean, there's one ongoing right
now in Princeton for elk and whoever

00:55:08.265 --> 00:55:12.435
gets in the Leh authorization for
an elk in the Princeton area, I

00:55:12.435 --> 00:55:13.665
think it's managed me to eight.

00:55:14.535 --> 00:55:18.075
I can't remember eight, nine or something
like that, but, um, you know, anybody

00:55:18.075 --> 00:55:21.735
who gets an authorization for elk in that
Princeton hunt will get a letter saying,

00:55:21.735 --> 00:55:26.535
here's your contact for the landowners
and call it, you know, call this person.

00:55:26.535 --> 00:55:27.525
Then they can set you up.

00:55:28.125 --> 00:55:33.315
There was a similar program in the
peace region back in 20, 20 12 or so

00:55:33.335 --> 00:55:37.455
I think, I can't remember what it was
called and it's really 10 years ago.

00:55:37.845 --> 00:55:40.605
Um, but it, it, it, it just fizzled away.

00:55:40.725 --> 00:55:44.174
And I believe there was a Kooteny one for
a little while too, and it fizzled away.

00:55:44.775 --> 00:55:47.595
So the only one I know of
right now is the Princeton one.

00:55:47.595 --> 00:55:51.315
They just don't, they just
don't seem to gain traction.

00:55:51.345 --> 00:55:51.705
I don't know.

00:55:53.129 --> 00:55:53.400
Hm.

00:55:54.810 --> 00:55:55.500
Okay, good.

00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.220
Interesting.

00:55:56.339 --> 00:56:00.270
Um, you know, if I were to let
the ADHD kick in and just kind

00:56:00.270 --> 00:56:05.549
of delve off Leh or just a second
here and talk about beg limits.

00:56:05.609 --> 00:56:09.150
There's one question that I've
often heard over and over again.

00:56:09.540 --> 00:56:15.120
So, so we've got our possession limit
and our bag limit, and I've gotten

00:56:15.120 --> 00:56:19.770
different answers from different people
I've spoken to and different provinces

00:56:19.770 --> 00:56:21.420
will approach us differently as well.

00:56:22.080 --> 00:56:29.400
When does your, so let's say it's,
uh, uh, 10 30 let's as an example,

00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:34.799
you're allowed to, let's say migratory
game to 10 and then, uh, for your,

00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.730
uh, limit for the day and then 30 is
going to be your possession limit.

00:56:38.730 --> 00:56:43.319
So let's say you're out in the field
for four days and you take your 10 a

00:56:43.319 --> 00:56:45.390
day, 10 a day, 10 a day, fourth day.

00:56:45.390 --> 00:56:48.120
You're not taking any because
that would exceed your possession.

00:56:48.915 --> 00:56:52.395
When does your possession
limit reset when you get

00:56:52.395 --> 00:56:52.635
home?

00:56:53.415 --> 00:56:56.515
This is the regulation in the
similar thing is in place for

00:56:56.515 --> 00:56:58.935
your quota for fish as well.

00:56:59.445 --> 00:57:03.195
Um, the possession limit
regulation is a it's.

00:57:03.825 --> 00:57:06.345
It's harder on people that
are hunting farther from home.

00:57:07.095 --> 00:57:07.605
That's it?

00:57:07.635 --> 00:57:11.715
I mean, if somebody goes on a seven week
hunting expedition and they drive for

00:57:11.715 --> 00:57:16.995
24 hours or 10 hours or whatever to get
there, I mean, the, that possession limit

00:57:17.685 --> 00:57:22.515
limits their ability to, to get birds or
whatever animal it is into their freezer.

00:57:22.635 --> 00:57:26.565
Or as the person who's hunting right
out their backyard, they can have a

00:57:26.575 --> 00:57:31.185
hundred piece in their freezer once they
get home, that possession limits reset.

00:57:31.725 --> 00:57:35.325
And then they just get that 10 every
day, every day, the same applies to fish,

00:57:36.315 --> 00:57:38.505
trout, and salmon and all sorts of stuff.

00:57:38.655 --> 00:57:40.875
You know, that that position
limit doesn't count when it

00:57:40.875 --> 00:57:43.335
gets into your normal residents.

00:57:43.335 --> 00:57:44.625
I believe so.

00:57:44.625 --> 00:57:45.015
Your.

00:57:46.395 --> 00:57:47.735
You're normal residents.

00:57:47.735 --> 00:57:51.495
You know, where, where you put
your address on when you use your,

00:57:51.525 --> 00:57:54.405
when you file your income taxes,
you know, that kind of stuff.

00:57:54.405 --> 00:57:56.745
It's not your, not your wall tent.

00:57:56.775 --> 00:57:57.885
It's not your camp.

00:57:57.915 --> 00:58:01.635
It's not your boat, you know, unless you
live in your boat, I guess, but you know,

00:58:01.635 --> 00:58:03.915
it's gotta be your normal residence.

00:58:04.405 --> 00:58:06.105
Nothing else really applies.

00:58:07.005 --> 00:58:08.415
Well, you've answered
that one pretty easily.

00:58:08.445 --> 00:58:11.115
Cause I've heard people say,
well, no, you have to consume it.

00:58:11.415 --> 00:58:14.535
And I've had authorities say,
no, it's got to be consumed.

00:58:14.535 --> 00:58:18.255
I've also heard when you're in your
normal residence or your normal home.

00:58:18.375 --> 00:58:18.735
Well,

00:58:19.875 --> 00:58:23.565
Travis, if I'm wrong about it, we'll
edit this part out of the podcast.

00:58:23.895 --> 00:58:24.645
No problem.

00:58:25.335 --> 00:58:25.875
No problem.

00:58:25.965 --> 00:58:27.315
I don't think you are right.

00:58:28.125 --> 00:58:28.905
I don't think you was.

00:58:28.965 --> 00:58:33.125
I've been at this for 15 years
and you know, once you get home,

00:58:33.145 --> 00:58:34.605
your possession limits reset.

00:58:36.660 --> 00:58:40.530
And I talked to Nova Scotia and
they're like, yep, you get home,

00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:42.090
your possession limits reset.

00:58:42.090 --> 00:58:45.540
I talked to others, but there's
always going to be some that have

00:58:45.540 --> 00:58:48.180
a little bit of eye confusion.

00:58:48.180 --> 00:58:53.910
And that's the purpose of this podcast
is to try and bring some normalicy to

00:58:53.910 --> 00:58:56.250
the common questions that are coming out.

00:58:56.250 --> 00:58:58.400
So we have a, what do they call it?

00:58:58.410 --> 00:58:59.400
Normative process.

00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.470
They have what what's normally done.

00:59:01.470 --> 00:59:03.030
People have a common understanding.

00:59:03.120 --> 00:59:03.270
Yeah.

00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:06.600
Um, well, you know, it's, it's
interesting when we, when we develop the

00:59:06.600 --> 00:59:08.490
hunting and trapping synopsis, right?

00:59:09.510 --> 00:59:14.190
It's in everybody's best interest that
we use the same wording that is in law.

00:59:14.850 --> 00:59:18.240
You know, that way, if, if there's
something that goes awry, you know,

00:59:18.240 --> 00:59:21.150
everybody's got the same wording and
the wording and the synopsis should,

00:59:21.150 --> 00:59:24.300
for the most part, be the exact
same wording is in the wildlife act.

00:59:25.050 --> 00:59:27.900
There's not a lot of leeway
that we have to expand on that.

00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:31.260
We don't want this synopsis
to be 200 pages and have like

00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:33.120
a layman's version as well.

00:59:34.065 --> 00:59:37.785
I mean these kinds of conversations, make
it a bit easier to explain those things.

00:59:38.625 --> 00:59:39.285
Oh, totally.

00:59:39.375 --> 00:59:42.404
And you know, you put a layman's
explanation and then you bring

00:59:42.404 --> 00:59:45.134
that into the courts and you're
going to have some issues.

00:59:45.234 --> 00:59:49.274
And I think that's why in the synopsis,
I think synopsis specifically means

00:59:49.274 --> 00:59:52.395
like condensed version of on page one.

00:59:52.395 --> 00:59:53.595
I think it is at the very bottom.

00:59:53.595 --> 00:59:57.884
It says, this is not a legal tax
for a full, proper legal reference,

00:59:58.665 --> 01:00:00.345
uh, refer to the regulations.

01:00:01.785 --> 01:00:06.765
And that's actually a test question
for, could possibly be a test question

01:00:06.765 --> 01:00:10.575
that people need to know about
when, uh, applying for their, um,

01:00:11.355 --> 01:00:14.865
uh, getting there with, um, yeah.

01:00:14.865 --> 01:00:15.134
You know,

01:00:15.134 --> 01:00:17.024
I, I, I might have to backtrack here.

01:00:17.024 --> 01:00:20.384
I might have to, uh, I'm just looking
at the definition of possession limits.

01:00:20.384 --> 01:00:26.280
So for gross or things like that, The, the
possession limit only applies when, when,

01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.170
while hunting or returning for hunting.

01:00:28.170 --> 01:00:32.220
So we've got, you know, basically
Upland game birds, things like that,

01:00:32.220 --> 01:00:35.910
where we've got a daily limit and
a possession limit migratory game

01:00:35.910 --> 01:00:39.240
birds are managed by the federal
government silent kind of like salmon.

01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:43.500
When a, when a species is crossing
national borders, it's managed federally,

01:00:43.530 --> 01:00:47.970
you know, BC doesn't work with the
United States on salmon kind of thing.

01:00:47.970 --> 01:00:49.560
It's a, it's a federal thing.

01:00:50.850 --> 01:00:55.410
And I'm just looking in, and it does say
except for migratory game birds, where

01:00:55.410 --> 01:00:57.360
the possession limit applies at all times.

01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:01.830
So, um, it's a bit outside my
jurisdiction when we start talking

01:01:01.830 --> 01:01:04.530
about migratory game birds and the
regulations that apply to them.

01:01:04.530 --> 01:01:07.830
So, um, I might have to look
into that a little bit more.

01:01:08.160 --> 01:01:13.590
That would be a regulation under the
migratory game bird, a migratory bird

01:01:13.590 --> 01:01:17.250
convention act of 1917 federal regulation.

01:01:17.250 --> 01:01:19.140
So it, sorry for the confusion.

01:01:20.145 --> 01:01:21.464
Oh, no, it's okay.

01:01:21.555 --> 01:01:26.805
I mean, there's, there's always going
to be these, these areas where hunters

01:01:26.955 --> 01:01:32.654
want to know exactly what to do or
what not to, cause it can get confusing

01:01:32.654 --> 01:01:33.975
with the overlap, just like fishing.

01:01:33.975 --> 01:01:36.734
There's going to be federal regulations,
provincial lake regulations.

01:01:36.734 --> 01:01:44.865
If you're fishing in, um, uh, for salmon,
if you're a freshwater fishing, the

01:01:44.865 --> 01:01:50.294
provinces involved in saltwater fishing
and as it's all defined, one of the other

01:01:50.294 --> 01:01:55.814
areas that I wouldn't expect you to have,
uh, an answer on, but maybe you've heard

01:01:55.814 --> 01:01:57.524
before, or maybe you do have an answer on.

01:01:58.064 --> 01:02:04.365
So when people purchase their species
tags now, uh, under the new and I'm

01:02:04.365 --> 01:02:09.585
going to do air quotes new because it's
been a few years system, uh, they're

01:02:09.585 --> 01:02:12.314
required to keep those species tags on.

01:02:13.050 --> 01:02:15.840
And be able to present them
to a conservation officer or

01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:20.220
authority, went out, hunting
along with some form of photo ID.

01:02:20.550 --> 01:02:25.170
So even if that species, uh,
license, if that tag has been

01:02:25.170 --> 01:02:28.620
canceled, these are still legally
required to hold that on them.

01:02:28.620 --> 01:02:33.390
When they're, let's say I'm out moose
hunting, but I've already got my, uh, my

01:02:33.390 --> 01:02:42.510
deer tags filled, um, when they go out
for migratory bird, which is now hunting.

01:02:42.510 --> 01:02:44.550
So I guess a province is okay.

01:02:44.550 --> 01:02:47.400
Yes, you can hunt in our province,
but migratory bird, you know,

01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.560
hunting for a federally regulated
species, do they still have to keep

01:02:52.890 --> 01:02:54.390
their provincial tags with them?

01:02:55.290 --> 01:02:55.830
Do you know?

01:02:56.190 --> 01:03:00.420
Or if you've ever heard that
one before and the safe answer

01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:01.680
is, yeah, just keep it with you.

01:03:01.710 --> 01:03:02.040
Right.

01:03:02.040 --> 01:03:04.620
And that's the, that covers their basis.

01:03:04.620 --> 01:03:08.130
But I don't know if that's something
you guys have ever encountered or heard.

01:03:08.130 --> 01:03:09.030
It's a question that was asked.

01:03:12.255 --> 01:03:16.365
I have heard that question before,
and I think it's a bit of a gray area.

01:03:16.365 --> 01:03:22.845
If you're out hunting, it's really hard
for a conservation officer to know, are

01:03:22.845 --> 01:03:25.845
you only hunting those migratory birds?

01:03:26.174 --> 01:03:31.785
Maybe because of the area it's obvious,
but, um, I think to be on the safe side

01:03:31.785 --> 01:03:36.285
because of the hunting regulation and
if you are in BC and you're hunting,

01:03:36.645 --> 01:03:41.924
um, that regulation states you should
carry, uh, all of your licenses,

01:03:41.924 --> 01:03:43.694
your species licenses with you.

01:03:43.694 --> 01:03:44.505
Well hunting.

01:03:44.835 --> 01:03:47.205
I think it's a safe bet
to just have them on you.

01:03:50.970 --> 01:03:52.890
Yeah, that's sort of where
I was leaning as well.

01:03:53.100 --> 01:03:56.940
Just when, whenever there's a
gray area or area of confusion,

01:03:57.240 --> 01:03:59.280
just make it abundantly obvious.

01:03:59.640 --> 01:04:00.420
Should you?

01:04:00.510 --> 01:04:01.560
We have one instructor.

01:04:01.590 --> 01:04:03.300
He says, it's all about CYA.

01:04:03.600 --> 01:04:05.820
He asked the class, you
know, what CYA stands for?

01:04:06.300 --> 01:04:07.170
And everyone showed.

01:04:07.170 --> 01:04:11.160
So the normal he's like, no, it's, can
you articulate if you had to stand in

01:04:11.160 --> 01:04:14.580
front of a judge, can you articulate
why you're doing what you're doing?

01:04:15.390 --> 01:04:21.600
And so it's way easier to articulate
if you're going above and beyond what

01:04:21.600 --> 01:04:27.630
the, uh, whenever there's areas of
confusion like that CYA principal.

01:04:28.020 --> 01:04:33.390
So CYA going back to the migratory
game birds, um, don't exceed your

01:04:33.390 --> 01:04:34.620
possession limit at any time.

01:04:35.310 --> 01:04:37.200
Now, just looking at the federal Reagan.

01:04:37.230 --> 01:04:41.250
And I mean, if somebody wanted further
clarity contact the Canadian wildlife

01:04:41.250 --> 01:04:46.620
service, but CYA on my part, don't
exceed the possession limit for migratory

01:04:46.620 --> 01:04:48.840
game birds, even in your normal.

01:04:50.384 --> 01:04:50.774
Good.

01:04:51.765 --> 01:04:52.665
Okay, good.

01:04:52.694 --> 01:04:53.265
Good to know.

01:04:53.595 --> 01:04:55.004
I just looked through their rigs.

01:04:56.535 --> 01:04:56.924
Good.

01:04:56.924 --> 01:04:57.435
Okay.

01:04:57.464 --> 01:04:59.085
Do not exceed at any time.

01:04:59.234 --> 01:04:59.325
Okay.

01:05:00.254 --> 01:05:04.785
Um, what does the future
for Leh kind of look like?

01:05:05.595 --> 01:05:09.674
I don't know if, I mean, obviously
elections happen, things change,

01:05:09.705 --> 01:05:11.085
but is there anything in the works?

01:05:11.085 --> 01:05:13.904
Anything that, I mean, we've
got a big one up north.

01:05:13.904 --> 01:05:17.415
That's a, probably not something we want
to get into, but it's probably tying

01:05:17.415 --> 01:05:19.274
up a lot of your time at this moment.

01:05:19.935 --> 01:05:23.415
Uh, um, what's the future of Leh and BC

01:05:23.415 --> 01:05:27.075
look like we'll continue
to upset and anger hunters.

01:05:27.105 --> 01:05:32.085
Province-wide uh, I mean, that,
that is a reality, you know, and

01:05:32.085 --> 01:05:37.004
we talked about that supply demand
curve when we've got 180,000 people

01:05:37.004 --> 01:05:39.015
applying for 10,000 authorizes.

01:05:40.035 --> 01:05:41.415
People are going to get upset.

01:05:41.475 --> 01:05:42.675
It's just the way it is.

01:05:42.675 --> 01:05:47.055
I mean, even my brother, you know,
whenever the draw happens, he phones

01:05:47.055 --> 01:05:50.415
me and he gets mad and some reason
thinks it's my fault that he didn't

01:05:50.415 --> 01:05:54.555
get this moose tag or his moose
moose draw this year or next year.

01:05:54.585 --> 01:05:54.855
Right.

01:05:55.365 --> 01:05:57.885
Um, I mean, we will,
people will get upset.

01:05:57.885 --> 01:06:04.335
There is, as far as I am concerned, no way
to make everybody happy every year with

01:06:04.335 --> 01:06:09.585
Leh, it just can't happen unless like I
was linking it to the general open season.

01:06:09.585 --> 01:06:13.425
If we, you know, found some way
to increase the number of Leh

01:06:13.425 --> 01:06:18.015
authorizations to do that, we'd have
to either increase the number of

01:06:18.015 --> 01:06:22.695
animals out there, which is the ideal
solution or, um, you know, reduce the

01:06:22.695 --> 01:06:24.315
general open seasons or something.

01:06:24.315 --> 01:06:29.820
I mean, there's still that first
priority of conservation, but, um, The

01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:31.650
future of Leh, there may be changed.

01:06:31.650 --> 01:06:32.790
We know it's not perfect.

01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:34.500
You know, we know we're
going to upset people.

01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:37.920
We know it's not a perfect system and
there's going to be room for improvement.

01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:40.050
I don't think there's any jurisdiction.

01:06:40.050 --> 01:06:41.040
That's really nailed it.

01:06:41.040 --> 01:06:46.440
And I don't think it's fair or
appropriate necessarily to compare

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.760
BC to other jurisdictions because
there's nuances that change everything.

01:06:51.570 --> 01:06:56.550
Um, you know, point systems, for example,
if, for some of the hunts, if you were

01:06:56.550 --> 01:07:00.810
to apply a point system in BC, people
wouldn't be getting their first Leh

01:07:00.810 --> 01:07:05.730
authorization until they were 115 years
old, you know, or they would just never

01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:08.100
get one that, you know, things like that.

01:07:08.100 --> 01:07:11.700
It just, you can't really
compare BC to other places.

01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:13.440
Our buyer diversity is different.

01:07:13.450 --> 01:07:15.750
Our, our society is different.

01:07:15.750 --> 01:07:17.220
There's just a whole bunch of differences.

01:07:17.220 --> 01:07:18.150
We need something.

01:07:18.330 --> 01:07:21.360
Each jurisdiction needs something
that's tailored to the people

01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.900
and the wildlife and the habitats
and environments where the.

01:07:26.040 --> 01:07:29.580
Um, but, but there are ways I think
that we can improve the system,

01:07:29.580 --> 01:07:32.880
at least at least give it the
perception that it's being more fair

01:07:33.390 --> 01:07:38.220
or, you know, doing a better job of
distributing those hunting opportunities

01:07:38.220 --> 01:07:39.840
to a broader range of people.

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:40.920
You know, things like that.

01:07:42.030 --> 01:07:46.050
Maybe we'll see some changes in the
coming years around, you know, those

01:07:46.050 --> 01:07:47.910
kinds of things, the stuff to say.

01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:50.280
But, but we, we, we are looking at it.

01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:55.050
We are interested in, in, in any
improvements that we can do while still

01:07:55.050 --> 01:07:56.850
meeting that conservation objective.

01:07:58.570 --> 01:08:02.350
Well said, is there anything
that we haven't talked about that

01:08:02.350 --> 01:08:03.850
we should probably talk about?

01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:09.130
Or are there any common questions
that kind of come through that you'd

01:08:09.130 --> 01:08:12.430
really want people to know about
or anything you guys personally

01:08:12.430 --> 01:08:15.610
want BC residents to know about?

01:08:19.210 --> 01:08:20.860
We have covered everything.

01:08:22.755 --> 01:08:25.485
Yeah, we haven't talked about
tentative numbers, which I think

01:08:25.485 --> 01:08:27.015
might be worthwhile mentioning.

01:08:27.015 --> 01:08:33.255
So, um, when we produce the limited
entry hunting synopsis and, oh, we

01:08:33.255 --> 01:08:36.345
don't print that anymore, by the
way, if anybody's interested, we

01:08:36.345 --> 01:08:38.325
stopped printing it when COVID hit.

01:08:38.355 --> 01:08:40.605
Cause we had no way to
distribute it to hunters.

01:08:41.145 --> 01:08:44.745
We still had the name, same number of
applications when it wasn't printed.

01:08:44.745 --> 01:08:50.025
And it seems, uh, not an efficient use
of our resources to print that thing.

01:08:50.025 --> 01:08:52.715
It's only got a shelf life of a couple
of months and then it's useless.

01:08:53.445 --> 01:08:55.875
Plus you have to go
online to apply anyway.

01:08:55.905 --> 01:08:59.715
So why not go online and
see the actual Leh synopsis?

01:08:59.715 --> 01:09:04.995
So, so when we produce that Leh synopsis
and when we get our Leh application page

01:09:05.715 --> 01:09:10.125
up and running, it's got a tentative
number of authorizations listed.

01:09:12.045 --> 01:09:17.385
And we try as artists, we can to have
the tentative number of authorizations as

01:09:17.385 --> 01:09:19.965
close as possible to the final decided.

01:09:20.264 --> 01:09:22.274
But there, there are often changes.

01:09:23.474 --> 01:09:27.375
When I, when we ask the regional
biologists for their tentative numbers,

01:09:27.375 --> 01:09:29.444
we just kind of say, what do you think?

01:09:29.745 --> 01:09:33.705
You know, how many authorized
authorizations do you think we'll be

01:09:33.705 --> 01:09:38.745
looking at for this particular hunt code
for this particular species in this area,

01:09:38.745 --> 01:09:40.575
you don't have to give us an exact number.

01:09:41.175 --> 01:09:43.965
And I know you can't give us an
exact number because you haven't

01:09:43.965 --> 01:09:46.245
got the Leh harvest survey data.

01:09:46.245 --> 01:09:48.885
Yet you don't have the
hunter survey data yet.

01:09:48.915 --> 01:09:52.785
Maybe you're waiting on some consumer
compulsory inspection information.

01:09:52.785 --> 01:09:57.495
You know, we know you don't have all
the information to give us a final

01:09:57.495 --> 01:10:01.184
recommended number, but we need
something to give people, to give

01:10:01.184 --> 01:10:06.105
hunters and applicants an idea of what
to expect for this hunter coming up.

01:10:06.105 --> 01:10:09.495
So we use that tentative number
it's as close as possible.

01:10:10.275 --> 01:10:14.085
But we can get, but, uh, you know,
there are changes between it.

01:10:14.085 --> 01:10:17.355
So if anybody's wondering anyways,
what that tentative number

01:10:17.355 --> 01:10:18.495
is, that's, that's kind of it

01:10:19.394 --> 01:10:20.175
interesting.

01:10:20.205 --> 01:10:20.535
Okay.

01:10:20.535 --> 01:10:22.665
That, that helps explain some things too.

01:10:24.765 --> 01:10:27.465
Well, anything else we should
touch on before wrapping up?

01:10:27.765 --> 01:10:28.785
No, I think I'm good.

01:10:29.955 --> 01:10:30.465
Okay.

01:10:31.485 --> 01:10:37.375
Well, Sarah, Stephen, thank you very
much for coming on the Silvercore

01:10:37.394 --> 01:10:41.865
Podcast and providing your expertise
really appreciate you taking the time.

01:10:41.865 --> 01:10:44.055
And thanks for having me.

01:10:44.775 --> 01:10:45.555
This was a lot of fun.

01:10:45.615 --> 01:10:46.394
I really enjoyed this.