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So do we pay their medical bills
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I'm trying.
We haven't figured. That out yet.

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We still have.

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And I think we still muddle through this

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every time.

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Yeah, every time.

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That's bad

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because our kids our kids are like,
Do I ask Dad? Yes.

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Emergency room visit. Because.

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And it's funny
because the kids always ask.

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My adult kids,
they say, Is that deductible?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Can you tell me if the deductible. Right.

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Yeah.

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Hello, this is Darren.

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And this is Paige.

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And this is where Lemonade.

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Where we talk about what happens
when life through you, lemons.

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You make some lemonade.

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Maybe some weeks. It's lemons.

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Yeah, some weeks it's just lemons.

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Yeah.

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On today's episode.

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We are going to talk about
co-parenting money and adult children.

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Sounds interesting.

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Okay, We're we're at a stage

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in our lives
where of the ten kids that we have,

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we have one child left.

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All the rest are adults. Yep.

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We have two kids at home, but one is 18
and one is 17.

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And he will be graduating in a month
and a half.

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Yeah.

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So I know
Paige is going to have a rough time.

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We're not getting a dog to fill the void.

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Not yet.

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No, not yet.

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So. So with with a lot of changes

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in our lives, we we, we've run
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hey, co-parenting and money
and then adult children to pay for things

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like weddings or college
or even trips home to visit us.

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All these things are are things
we have to deal with

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that most families
don't have to deal with.

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When you've got co-parenting going on
and things like that.

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So it can get a little tricky.

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It can.

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And, you know,
do you do you still work with your ex on

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these things when your kids turn 18,
or do you put the kids in the middle

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and go, well, I'm done paying for things,

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so maybe talk to your mom
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You know what I mean?

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It's a it can be a tricky thing.

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It can.

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So you the research department of
where is eliminate, which is paid?

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There's not a whole lot of information.

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Usually I find several articles on what
I want to talk about for our podcast.

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And there was not several articles.

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In fact, the only article you found was
a was a law.

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It was really a marketing thing.

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It was like call one 800 lawyer
and we'll help you with these.

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And then it talked about
why you would want to call them.

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And you know,
and it talked a little bit about

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you know, in their in their state.

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I don't remember what state this was in.

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You know, what
what happens when a kid turns 18.

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So the only thing I could find was like,
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articles of people
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But I didn't find any written published

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articles on this topic.

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So what spurred would spurred you
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Was it something on Facebook
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What was it? A Both.

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Both.

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We've had our own experience,
which we will get into in a minute.

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And then I looked on our

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Facebook Blended Families
group and people were talking about this

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and how do we handle this
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and they still need things
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financial support or, you know, how do you
how are you dealing with this? So.

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So so it is a little different
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But most states have a child
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the parenting agreement, which means child
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costs

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on extracurriculars, whatever
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But most of it is when they're 18

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and they graduate from college
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So yeah, you have to.

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So we had one case where Julianne was 17
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for her extracurriculars for a couple
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Right.

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But in the case of many of our other kids,

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they actually turned 18
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But they were still part
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until they graduate from high school.

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Yep, that is true.

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So when that happens to your kids, when
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It's a party.

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Is that it? That's it. You're done.

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You're done.

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That's it.

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Like, you know what I mean?

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Like, it's an interesting thing, so.

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Well, you this is something that maybe
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when your kids are little,

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you do not think

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about putting anything about this
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about what happens
when your child turns 18.

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We we actually did in mine,

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we actually set up a

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it was called an educational trust
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we had the benefit of one of our kids
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I got to pay for school or missions or,
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whatever the case may be.

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So we actually set up a trust
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that later on got dissolved,

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which turned out to be good and bad.

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Right? Right.

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Because if the trust was still there,
then there's no questions.

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When they're adults,
the money's already been set aside.

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But in your case,
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from your income, from your.

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Well, because my ex didn't
have an income. Right.

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But I'm just saying, you know,

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that changes over time.

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Right. Yeah, that's true.

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So I was kind of glad
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you know,
then it was more of an equal balance.

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But now every time
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you know, I'm

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not communicating with my ex
how much money I'm putting on.

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Right.

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Our kids get put in the middle.

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Yeah, they do.

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Instead of saying, Hey,

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there's a certain amount of money
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Right.

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It's it's a double edged,
you know, there's benefits and.

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And. Right.

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So do you think it would be beneficial
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specific in the divorce decree
for when your kids turn 18?

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I think so.
Do you think that's a good idea?

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I think so.

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It would alleviate some of the awkwardness
that happens sometimes.

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Yeah.

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Because
like I said, when your kids are little,

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you don't think about, okay, so your kid
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First of all, you have to decide
who's paying for college is a kid.

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Pain is the mom pain?
Is that pain, Evil pain. Right.

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Who's doing that then?

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How about health insurance?

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Is the person
still paying for health insurance?

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What about when your kid goes
to the doctor?

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We will talk about this
and have a huge bill.

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Are you splitting that?

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So, yeah,
let's talk about health insurance,

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because this one, this one's
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Now kids can stay on their parents
insurance until they're 26 years old.

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Correct.

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Now, because I have to carry insurance
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all the kids that are adults
have just stayed on my insurance.

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That was in the court decree

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for the for the parenting agreement

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that I had to provide
health insurance for the kids.

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But when they turned adult,
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to continue keeping them on my insurance.

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Right.

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So they just did.

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Yeah, but what that means
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So if they do get a big bill

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and we haven't met our deductible yet,
who's going to pay for that?

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Who's going to pay for that?

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So, yeah, these are all
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I said, when you're getting divorced

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and you have little kids,
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but it's going to come
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Well, but they're adults now.

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So because our child turned 18,
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for their medical insurance
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And. No, but what about when they're 25?

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Well, that's different.

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That's At what age is it different?

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Well, we have always kind of had a for us,

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like we pay for the kids
cell phone, even through college.

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We've paid for them.

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When for us, it was when you get married,
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responsible enough to get married,
you can pay your own phone bill.

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Or when you graduate from college.

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Or when you graduate from college,
that's kind of been our boundary, right?

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Like we'll pay for your cell phone

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and we pay, you know, obviously
they're on our medical insurance.

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So do we pay their medical bills
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I'm trying.
But we haven't figured. That out yet.

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We still have.

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I think we still muddle through this

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every time.

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Yeah, every time. That's bad

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kids our kids are like, Do I ask Dad? Yes.

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Emergency room visit because
and it's funny because the kids always ask

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my adult kids, they say, Is it deductible?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Can you tell me if the deductible.

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Right. Yeah.

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So yeah, it's it's interesting.

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Okay. So, so.

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That's something we, we probably should
have established with the kids up front.

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Right. Look, will pay.

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I'll pay for your insurance, but I'm not
paying for your medical bills or am intel.

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But then is that a decent.

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Does that dis what's the right word?

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Demotivate them from finishing college.

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We say.

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I don't think so,
but let's talk about that for a second.

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Okay.

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So something that happened with
us so with us recently is

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our daughter who's in college.

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She was coming home at Christmas
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said,
can you please pay for half of her flight?

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Right.

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And so this was a this was an interesting
one for us because we were like,

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normally we would be like, sure,
no problem.

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But the flight had already been booked.

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We didn't have any input.

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You could have used points like,
you know, all those things.

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We were like, do you know? I mean, like.

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So yeah, there was almost like this
assumption, Well, you have to pay

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half, right?

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And I think it was just
because I don't think it was anything.

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It wasn't malicious. Malicious?

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No, It was just like, well,
this is what we do.

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We split these things
and then we were sitting there going,

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Well, you know, if, if I if we're going

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to be asked to pay for things
which we don't have a problem with that,

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do we
get some input on that type of thing.

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Do we get an input on
how much the flight is?

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I could use.

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Points
or or when the flight comes in. Right.

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So we get it. Do we get any say?

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And then another thing that happened
very shortly after that when we were still

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trying to decide if we were going
to, you know, reimburse

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your ex,

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that that same daughter went to.

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She she had an emergency.

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She had an emergency. She went to the
she went to the E.R..

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And of course, at the beginning
of the year, when the deductible

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is zero, Right.

249
00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,233
Where we haven't
got any part of the deductible. Yes.

250
00:11:35,233 --> 00:11:36,900
So she went to the E.R.

251
00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:42,400
and it was I think the total bill ended up
being 500 and something dollars.

252
00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:46,600
And so then we were like, okay, so

253
00:11:46,666 --> 00:11:48,933
do we now
ask your ex to pay for half of that?

254
00:11:48,933 --> 00:11:50,133
Do we just you know what I mean?

255
00:11:50,133 --> 00:11:53,133
Like, we were
we were sitting here in this.

256
00:11:53,166 --> 00:11:53,766
Conundrum.

257
00:11:53,766 --> 00:11:57,866
Conundrum of and I think we've
probably been in this conundrum before,

258
00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:59,866
but it's been
because there was a such a big.

259
00:11:59,866 --> 00:12:01,500
Age, there's a six year gap.

260
00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:04,933
We have forgotten what we were
what we did.

261
00:12:05,033 --> 00:12:08,033
Well, early part of me
on the on the health insurance side,

262
00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:11,900
we always meet our deductible
with as many people as we have on there.

263
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,166
Yeah,

264
00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:16,233
but that's not going to be the case
coming up soon, right, Because.

265
00:12:16,366 --> 00:12:18,600
the less people we have. On it,
we have on it.

266
00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,600
So in the past it's like, well,
we're going to meet the deductible anyway.

267
00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,466
We might as well just pay it because
we're going to hit the deductible, right?

268
00:12:25,466 --> 00:12:26,400
So right stuff.

269
00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,066
But that's not going to be the case
moving forward.

270
00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:29,800
Right?

271
00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,400
Because so we kind of
we kind of just made the decision that,

272
00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:36,800
well, if we'll pay the medical bill
and even our daughter was like,

273
00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:38,933
she didn't want to ask us
if we were paying.

274
00:12:38,933 --> 00:12:42,200
So she called and she was like,
So I got a notice

275
00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:47,766
that this is overdue,
so I need to pay that right.

276
00:12:47,833 --> 00:12:49,300
Our kids are so they're so funny.

277
00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:52,033
They won't just come out and say,
Can you pay this?

278
00:12:52,033 --> 00:12:54,300
Or are you or are you paying this?

279
00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,700
You know, just are you going to pay this
or do I need to pay this?

280
00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,833
So we told her, we'll take care of it.

281
00:12:58,833 --> 00:13:00,400
She's 18.

282
00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,866
Of course we'll take care of it.

283
00:13:01,866 --> 00:13:04,866
So I think we decided that.

284
00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:07,433
If we decided on a case by case
basis, case.

285
00:13:07,433 --> 00:13:09,533
By case, I guess I don't know.

286
00:13:09,533 --> 00:13:12,566
But we decided
that we were not going to reimburse her ex

287
00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,766
for the plane flight
because we're still paying

288
00:13:14,766 --> 00:13:17,400
for medical insurance
and the medical bills.

289
00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:29,466
So we thought that was fair.

290
00:13:29,533 --> 00:13:30,500
I don't know.

291
00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,366
It's funny because nothing's written down.

292
00:13:32,366 --> 00:13:35,166
No, because this is outside
the realm of the parenting group.

293
00:13:35,166 --> 00:13:37,833
Yeah. So that's a good question.

294
00:13:37,833 --> 00:13:40,500
I don't want to have anything
written down. Right.

295
00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,566
Because that becomes some kind of legal
I don't know

296
00:13:43,566 --> 00:13:46,566
if that was a legal contract,
but there's expectations there.

297
00:13:46,666 --> 00:13:47,233
Right?

298
00:13:47,233 --> 00:13:48,733
So this one's.

299
00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:52,833
And dental, we still pay for dental
for kids with college kids.

300
00:13:52,833 --> 00:13:55,100
We pay for their phones.

301
00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:57,733
So well, not. To a certain point.

302
00:13:57,733 --> 00:13:59,800
Then they
they have to start reimbursing us.

303
00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,266
They can see, you know, I'm saying
in college, we pay for their phones.

304
00:14:03,266 --> 00:14:06,000
Yeah, yeah, we pay for their phones,
we pay for their dental,

305
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,900
but yes, like we said,
when you get married

306
00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:11,500
or you graduate college,

307
00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,433
you got to start.

308
00:14:12,433 --> 00:14:14,466
But we're not paying for college.

309
00:14:14,466 --> 00:14:15,400
We do not pay for college.

310
00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,800
We pay for one year of college.

311
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,433
Right after our kids
get back from their mission.

312
00:14:19,433 --> 00:14:22,033
We pay for
for a year of tuition for college.

313
00:14:22,033 --> 00:14:24,166
Yeah. So this is this one's a tough one.

314
00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:28,500
I wonder how the kids feel, because before
all this stuff has been taken care of

315
00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:29,466
for them, because it's

316
00:14:29,466 --> 00:14:34,600
been part of the parenting agreement
right now, there's a lot of foggy

317
00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,600
D things in the middle, and now they're
in the middle trying to navigate this.

318
00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,233
So I wonder how that is for them.

319
00:14:41,233 --> 00:14:44,366
I mean, our kids don't even pay
for their own gas, which some of you may

320
00:14:44,366 --> 00:14:47,366
just be gasping right
now, thinking our kids are entitled.

321
00:14:47,433 --> 00:14:48,633
They are.

322
00:14:48,633 --> 00:14:49,400
They are entitled.

323
00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,500
But the reason why,
especially for your kids, is

324
00:14:53,566 --> 00:14:56,733
we pay for we have the car,
we pay for the repairs, we pay

325
00:14:56,733 --> 00:15:01,100
for the registration, and then your ex
pays that pays for their gas.

326
00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,700
Right.

327
00:15:02,766 --> 00:15:04,600
And that was that's an agreement
that we have with.

328
00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,800
Right. With my spouse in agreement
And yeah.

329
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,033
So now like I can't remember what we did
with our other we're not I mean I'm

330
00:15:12,033 --> 00:15:15,633
not I'm really not paying for their gas
when they come home and use our cars.

331
00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:18,033
I read an agreement about that. Yeah.

332
00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:21,500
So this is an interesting one
because I don't think any of our kids

333
00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:24,566
have come home
after their first year for that summer.

334
00:15:24,566 --> 00:15:28,900
Most of them after their first year
of college, they went off on a mission.

335
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,200
I'm trying to think so.

336
00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,200
We have a daughter coming home
this summer and she's going to be working.

337
00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:34,666
Yeah.

338
00:15:34,666 --> 00:15:40,366
And we don't have a car
for her to use by herself.

339
00:15:40,366 --> 00:15:42,600
She has to share with her brothers. Yeah.

340
00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,566
So that out.

341
00:15:43,566 --> 00:15:44,400
They got to figure that out.

342
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,766
Yeah. She's not,
she's not plan on the car.

343
00:15:46,766 --> 00:15:50,566
She's plan B on
the car. Yeah. Right. Right.

344
00:15:50,666 --> 00:15:51,233
So this,

345
00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:54,100
this summer is going to be
an interesting summer

346
00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:58,200
when it comes to figuring out who's paying
for gas, who's paying for that.

347
00:15:58,266 --> 00:16:02,866
And yeah, there's a point where I have to
say, well, you know, you're an adult,

348
00:16:02,966 --> 00:16:05,833
you're making you're using the car to go
make money.

349
00:16:05,833 --> 00:16:07,533
You should be paying for your own gas.

350
00:16:07,533 --> 00:16:09,266
Yeah. I'm not going to make you pay
for insurance.

351
00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:10,800
No, of course not.

352
00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,000
Because they're. Using. One of our cars.

353
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,500
And I mean, that's up to her If she wants
to talk to her mom about paying gas.

354
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,066
Right. Like,
but we're not paying for our gas.

355
00:16:19,066 --> 00:16:21,333
But yeah, so that's an interest. So yeah.

356
00:16:21,333 --> 00:16:24,333
And things like that, like,
you know, if they need if they're.

357
00:16:24,366 --> 00:16:26,000
So what if she comes home.

358
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,733
Okay, She's 18, almost 19.

359
00:16:27,733 --> 00:16:31,266
She turned 19 next week
and says my computer broke.

360
00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:34,266
I need a new computer. that's too bad.

361
00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:35,733
So she would have to buy her own computer.

362
00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:37,800
I'll help her. I'll help her select one.

363
00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,333
But she's got to buy her own computer.
She's got plenty of money to do that.

364
00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:42,533
Yeah, that's true. So?

365
00:16:42,533 --> 00:16:45,366
So if our kids have their own,
if they have a good enough

366
00:16:45,366 --> 00:16:47,533
little pot in the bank.

367
00:16:47,533 --> 00:16:49,400
Well, and then the other side is

368
00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,533
if they don't have enough money,
then I'm like, dumb.

369
00:16:51,533 --> 00:16:53,333
Why don't you have enough money?

370
00:16:53,333 --> 00:16:54,733
You should have, you should have.

371
00:16:54,733 --> 00:16:57,300
You can use one of our computers,
but not a laptop.

372
00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,400
You can use one of the computers
in the kitchen or.

373
00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,200
Okay, so like
if our kids that are in high school,

374
00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,700
we give them a right when they're
whatever age we give them a phone.

375
00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:10,100
14 I think we give
our kids a cell phone right.

376
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:10,500
And if

377
00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:12,266
it says if it's a really terrible phone,

378
00:17:12,266 --> 00:17:15,933
maybe we eventually upgrade them
to something slightly better,

379
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,633
but nothing more
than a couple of hundred dollars.

380
00:17:17,633 --> 00:17:20,800
I think it's
I don't understand when kids, teenagers,

381
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,600
are walking around with 1500 dollars
phones.

382
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,000
I don't understand that.

383
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,733
But most of the time
we don't buy him a phone.

384
00:17:27,733 --> 00:17:29,833
They just use our old phones. Yes.

385
00:17:29,833 --> 00:17:34,000
And that's why I was saying, like Sam,
his phone broke.

386
00:17:34,133 --> 00:17:37,033
He got into a hot tub with his phone

387
00:17:37,033 --> 00:17:39,733
and we said, okay, well, here's

388
00:17:39,733 --> 00:17:43,500
our old phones that you can choose from
or you can go buy.

389
00:17:43,566 --> 00:17:44,700
Your. Own, your own.

390
00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:46,366
And he chose to go buy his own.

391
00:17:46,366 --> 00:17:49,600
I mean, it's not a great phone at all,

392
00:17:49,666 --> 00:17:50,766
but that's what. He chose.

393
00:17:50,766 --> 00:17:52,800
And that's what we would still do.

394
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,600
Like David right now,
he also has a phone that is broken

395
00:17:56,633 --> 00:17:58,733
because he dropped it or something. How?

396
00:17:58,733 --> 00:18:02,166
And we were like,
Well, here are your options.

397
00:18:02,233 --> 00:18:03,300
You can.

398
00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:05,600
He chose to just stick
with what he has. Yes.

399
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,366
But he does he it's it's I think
he's at the point of no return right now

400
00:18:09,366 --> 00:18:11,300
because it's not even charging. So he

401
00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,000
I think he wants your old phone about now
because he doesn't want to buy one.

402
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,066
And we were like that's fine.

403
00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:18,233
Choose from the plethora of old phones
we have here.

404
00:18:18,433 --> 00:18:20,866
So maybe that's
what we do with our adult children too.

405
00:18:20,866 --> 00:18:24,166
If, if they need something,
we're like, Well, this is what we have.

406
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,000
This is what we're offering.
If it's not, you know what.

407
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000
You have, It's not what you want.

408
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000
Then go take care of it
yourself. Yes, yes.

409
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,133
And we don't like to buy our kids
computers, especially if they're

410
00:18:34,133 --> 00:18:37,133
going to go on a mission, because

411
00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:40,033
when that will get them a computer,
when they get back from their mission.

412
00:18:40,033 --> 00:18:42,033
Yeah. Things change so quick. Yeah.

413
00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:43,333
And that's always kind of a present.

414
00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:45,266
We've got the kids
when they get back from their mission,

415
00:18:45,266 --> 00:18:47,600
we do buy them a new computer

416
00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:48,533
anyway, so.

417
00:18:48,533 --> 00:18:51,800
Yeah, but car insurance,
I mean, we we still pay

418
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,800
all the car insurance

419
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,100
well.

420
00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:59,100
And we pay car insurance before and,
and then

421
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,833
we got reimbursed sometimes or No,
we never did not Car insurance.

422
00:19:02,833 --> 00:19:05,866
No, never.
No. No. I think that was injured.

423
00:19:05,866 --> 00:19:07,233
I think that was in your divorce decree

424
00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,966
that you would take care of the cars,
right? No.

425
00:19:09,966 --> 00:19:11,933
it's not. It's not. We just did.

426
00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:13,200
We just did. Okay.

427
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,533
Okay. Well, that's interesting.

428
00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:16,200
Yeah. So, yeah, we we.

429
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,900
So this is a tough one for for adults.

430
00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:22,300
And you know what? Frankly, I think

431
00:19:22,366 --> 00:19:24,566
our society today has been catering

432
00:19:24,566 --> 00:19:27,766
to these young adults too much

433
00:19:27,866 --> 00:19:30,133
because look at how many people

434
00:19:30,133 --> 00:19:33,333
their kids are in college
and they still pay for everything.

435
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,366
So I can't imagine how it is
with the co-parenting

436
00:19:37,466 --> 00:19:42,300
when you get that, because you have
no there's no legal responsibility.

437
00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:42,866
Right.

438
00:19:42,866 --> 00:19:46,633
Once they're 18 and graduated
from high school or 19, that's yeah.

439
00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:49,433
Ah, you don't have to pay for anything.
Right.

440
00:19:49,433 --> 00:19:52,633
And like I said, I think that at times
that puts the kids in the middle

441
00:19:52,633 --> 00:19:57,233
because they know that that legal
responsibility is gone, is gone.

442
00:19:57,233 --> 00:20:07,233
And now they're like.

443
00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:09,000
Well, this can this can also

444
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,566
mothers have things like kids
playing their parents against each other.

445
00:20:13,633 --> 00:20:15,966
Hey, I need $400 for this thing at school.

446
00:20:15,966 --> 00:20:18,033
And then they go to the other parent
and ask for the same 400.

447
00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:19,900
Yeah.

448
00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:21,666
Well, good for them if they figure that.

449
00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:22,666
All right.

450
00:20:22,666 --> 00:20:24,233
You know, I'm going to I'm going to visit

451
00:20:24,233 --> 00:20:27,866
Mom more than dad
because Mom's actually paying for things.

452
00:20:28,033 --> 00:20:28,866
That might happen.

453
00:20:28,866 --> 00:20:31,933
Well, it yeah, absolutely might happen.

454
00:20:31,933 --> 00:20:32,933
It might happen.

455
00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:35,000
But yeah, it's very interesting.

456
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,533
But we have to be very careful
about putting kids in the middle,

457
00:20:37,533 --> 00:20:41,833
because sometimes you make decisions about

458
00:20:41,933 --> 00:20:45,266
are you making the decision
because best for the child or are you

459
00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:49,533
making that decision because you're trying
to still stick it to your ex?

460
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:51,600
Do you I mean, be careful.

461
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,933
These are don't I know.

462
00:20:52,933 --> 00:20:57,300
But I'm just saying I think you can still
get in the middle of that.

463
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,400
Your and do you know what I mean of that
still like.

464
00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:03,533
Well just because they turn 18.

465
00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:07,700
Yeah you know flip of a switch
even though legally Right.

466
00:21:07,766 --> 00:21:11,600
That was interesting
so when I was told me they have a

467
00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:15,400
a nephew that is Down's syndrome.

468
00:21:15,466 --> 00:21:18,700
So when he turns 18, he's an adult.

469
00:21:18,766 --> 00:21:23,166
So the parents had to go to court to,

470
00:21:23,233 --> 00:21:25,633
to actually, you know, get rid of his.

471
00:21:25,633 --> 00:21:28,333
I know what's the right word.
He can't take care of himself.

472
00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:29,700
So he had. Guardianship.

473
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,000
So yeah, guardianship.

474
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,333
So his parents had to do that
when he was 18.

475
00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:37,300
Otherwise they had no say in what to me,
that's, you know, interesting.

476
00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,800
Just on your birthday, all of a sudden

477
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,500
your parents have no guardianship
over you at all anymore.

478
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,700
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of crazy.

479
00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:49,866
So and then there's the issue of, like,

480
00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:52,200
David is is our last one at home.

481
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:52,566
Right?

482
00:21:52,566 --> 00:21:55,566
He he's going to be
is he's going to be a senior next year.

483
00:21:55,733 --> 00:21:59,633
So we, we have you have always come up
with the schedule Right.

484
00:21:59,633 --> 00:22:03,300
And then your ex approves it and and
you know you you know we change things.

485
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,300
As they. Negotiate

486
00:22:06,466 --> 00:22:10,333
and we were talking to our college
daughter who's coming home.

487
00:22:10,433 --> 00:22:11,900
And you had mentioned her.

488
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:15,000
You were like, yeah, I only have to do
one more summer scheduled this summer

489
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,200
because then next summer David will be 18,
he'll be graduated.

490
00:22:19,266 --> 00:22:22,866
And she was like,
Why aren't you going to do a schedule?

491
00:22:22,933 --> 00:22:25,300
And you're like, No, don't have to.

492
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:28,800
And she goes,
That's just that's that stress.

493
00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:32,333
I think that stresses them out
because if there's a schedule,

494
00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:34,166
then they're not hurting anyone's
feelings.

495
00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:35,966
They're just going to follow the schedule.

496
00:22:35,966 --> 00:22:36,733
And well.

497
00:22:36,733 --> 00:22:38,700
In our adult children

498
00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:41,933
that are already out,
they take advantage of that schedule

499
00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:45,800
that we have with the younger kids that
are under the parenting agreement still,

500
00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:46,900
because they just follow it.

501
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:50,666
They just do whatever
the hell not. It's not as

502
00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:52,933
strict as you know. No.

503
00:22:52,933 --> 00:22:55,233
But the older they get, the less
they follow it.

504
00:22:55,233 --> 00:22:56,033
But they

505
00:22:56,033 --> 00:22:57,900
I think they still appreciate that
we had it

506
00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,900
and so that they could follow
It makes things a lot easier.

507
00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:03,900
Like, okay, we'll be with you Monday
and Tuesday and then we'll be with mom,

508
00:23:04,066 --> 00:23:05,600
you know, Wednesday and Thursday
like that.

509
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,000
Just it makes things a little easier.

510
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,000
So this is going to be very interesting
next year.

511
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,333
Yeah, she said, she says,
well she goes, if it were me

512
00:23:14,566 --> 00:23:17,366
she was, I would make up a schedule.

513
00:23:17,366 --> 00:23:20,066
I mean like just like, here's
the schedule that I'm going to.

514
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:21,433
So we'll see.

515
00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:23,566
We'll see what she does this summer

516
00:23:23,566 --> 00:23:25,800
because she doesn't have to adhere
to the schedule that we come up.

517
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,166
She doesn't I think she plans
to mostly follow it, but but be a little.

518
00:23:30,266 --> 00:23:31,400
Flex, you. Know, flexible.

519
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,233
Yeah, I think that that's what she's.

520
00:23:33,233 --> 00:23:35,666
So this is an interesting transition
for us.

521
00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:37,133
It really is.

522
00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:38,033
It really is.

523
00:23:38,033 --> 00:23:40,633
I'm excited about the transition.

524
00:23:40,633 --> 00:23:43,866
I think I've more excited than you are.

525
00:23:43,933 --> 00:23:44,533
Yeah.

526
00:23:44,533 --> 00:23:48,600
When we were just walking today
and I said in five months,

527
00:23:48,666 --> 00:23:50,400
half the time we're going to be.

528
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,733
Empty.

529
00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:54,100
Nest, empty nesters,
which I know a lot of blended families.

530
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:57,700
You've been doing that for years and years
while we've always had Sam full time.

531
00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:00,633
So we've always
we've always had somebody here.

532
00:24:00,633 --> 00:24:03,066
So it's going to be new for us to be.

533
00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:04,266
And I'm just like.

534
00:24:04,266 --> 00:24:07,466
And then nine months later.

535
00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:10,233
David Yeah, or a year later, a year.

536
00:24:10,233 --> 00:24:10,733
Later, yeah.

537
00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:11,900
David David's going to be gone.

538
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:14,766
Will be full time empty nesters.

539
00:24:14,766 --> 00:24:17,200
Yeah, well,
our grandkids were coming to visit.

540
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:17,800
That's right.

541
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,100
And as you can see,
if what you need to take away from

542
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:25,100
this episode
is we really don't have things worked out.

543
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,200
No. As we

544
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,866
have told you in many of our episodes,
we are not experts now.

545
00:24:30,933 --> 00:24:32,066
We are. Living free.

546
00:24:32,066 --> 00:24:34,633
We are just sharing our experiences
as we're going through it.

547
00:24:34,633 --> 00:24:38,333
And as you can tell,
even though we have done this whole

548
00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:42,600
adult thing, how many times
we're still like, What should we do?

549
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,666
How do we handle this?

550
00:24:43,666 --> 00:24:47,200
Like. Well,
sometimes it depends on the kid.

551
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,900
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Sometimes it does.

552
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:51,000
So yeah.

553
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,500
So we are just
still trying to figure it out.

554
00:24:53,500 --> 00:25:06,800
Still trying to figure it out.

555
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:07,333
All right.

556
00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:07,900
Or lemonade.

557
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:13,433
More of the week has to do with a once
in a lifetime experience, At least for me.

558
00:25:13,433 --> 00:25:16,066
This is something
I've always wanted to experience.

559
00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:19,366
Yes. So, Darren, was he really wanted

560
00:25:19,366 --> 00:25:22,600
to go see the total eclipse now?

561
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,800
I was hesitant, Yeah, because

562
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,533
we got back the week of the total eclipse
or the week before, I guess.

563
00:25:30,533 --> 00:25:35,566
Anyway,
we got back from Europe on a Tuesday night

564
00:25:35,666 --> 00:25:36,566
and you wanted to

565
00:25:36,566 --> 00:25:40,300
then leave on Saturday
morning at 5:30 a.m.

566
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,133
to leave again
to go to Texas to see the eclipse.

567
00:25:43,133 --> 00:25:46,133
And I was just like,

568
00:25:46,133 --> 00:25:49,633
boy. Well, I just want you to experience
seeing a stack of rocks

569
00:25:49,633 --> 00:25:53,266
at Stonehenge and then seeing a big rock
move in front of the sun.

570
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,166
That's all I wanted.

571
00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:57,366
You know,

572
00:25:57,433 --> 00:25:58,300
exhilarating.

573
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,033
Seeing the stack of rocks at Stonehenge.

574
00:26:00,033 --> 00:26:01,733
Exhilarating.

575
00:26:01,733 --> 00:26:04,700
Well, what about the big rock
in front of the sun?

576
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,266
That was cool.

577
00:26:06,266 --> 00:26:08,733
That was.
That was actually very. That was.

578
00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:09,466
It was awesome.

579
00:26:09,466 --> 00:26:15,733
But I am I am glad that we decided
to do it because it was so it was funny.

580
00:26:15,733 --> 00:26:19,666
We get there and, you know, luckily

581
00:26:19,766 --> 00:26:24,400
the total eclipse was in Austin,
where our grandbaby is and our.

582
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:25,566
Daughter, son and daughter. In law.

583
00:26:25,566 --> 00:26:29,033
And then we had another daughter
and her husband coming

584
00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:30,600
because they wanted to see the eclipse.

585
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,100
So we were going to be visiting
with them for the weekend.

586
00:26:35,166 --> 00:26:37,833
But the morning of the eclipse.

587
00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:40,600
It was cloudy. Complete cloud cover.

588
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,033
And we're sitting there going
and our son in law said,

589
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:45,766
we're not going to get to see it.

590
00:26:45,766 --> 00:26:48,000
And I you know, I was just like,
you know what?

591
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,200
It's still been a great weekend.

592
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,800
We have been able

593
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,600
to spend this weekend with her
grandbaby is just about the cutest thing

594
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,500
on the planet. He's so cute.

595
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:56,700
Now check out our website.

596
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:57,766
You can see pictures.

597
00:26:57,766 --> 00:27:00,433
he's adorable.

598
00:27:00,433 --> 00:27:02,000
And we got to spend time with our kids.

599
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,366
And so it was great.

600
00:27:03,366 --> 00:27:07,366
And then like 30 minutes
before the total eclipse,

601
00:27:07,466 --> 00:27:11,766
the clouds part completely.

602
00:27:11,833 --> 00:27:12,366
Yeah. I was.

603
00:27:12,366 --> 00:27:16,300
Pretty angry until about 10 minutes
after the eclipse

604
00:27:16,366 --> 00:27:20,266
clouds back like,

605
00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:21,133
It was

606
00:27:21,133 --> 00:27:24,166
it was much more moving than I thought
it was going to be.

607
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,200
It was. It was it was really cool.

608
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,666
I mean, it got dark,
The birds stopped chirping.

609
00:27:30,666 --> 00:27:32,566
It was cool.

610
00:27:32,566 --> 00:27:34,500
It was super cool. So cool.

611
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,366
But even if we would have not have seen
the eclipse,

612
00:27:37,366 --> 00:27:46,333
we still got to spend time
with our family, play with that keyboard.

613
00:27:46,433 --> 00:27:48,566
If you like today's episode.

614
00:27:48,566 --> 00:27:52,200
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615
00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:54,666
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616
00:27:54,666 --> 00:27:58,400
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617
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,200
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618
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,700
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619
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,866
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