1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,500 Josh: So since the year 1990 that's 35 years 2 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:09,580 Josh: ago pretty much everyone who's listening to this both of us we've 3 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:12,420 Josh: been using an application exclusively for navigating the web 4 00:00:12,420 --> 00:00:15,240 Josh: and that's the browser right we've all used a web browser before whether 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,180 Josh: it be chrome or safari or the millions of 6 00:00:18,180 --> 00:00:20,940 Josh: other options that we've used they've all been pretty much 7 00:00:20,940 --> 00:00:23,760 Josh: the same if you look at a browser from the 1990s versus browser for 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,500 Josh: today it's really just a url bar and a 9 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,440 Josh: screen and the screen displays the information and that's that's 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Josh: how we've interacted with the internet forever but just recently 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,520 Josh: thanks to the invents of ai and all these companies 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,420 Josh: who are building really interesting applications on top of it we now 13 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:41,660 Josh: have a new type of browser an ai browser an agentic browser 14 00:00:41,660 --> 00:00:44,700 Josh: that will do a lot of the browser tasks for you 15 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:48,220 Josh: and that's going to be the topic of today's episode is ai browsers 16 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:52,500 Josh: it's like the browser you know and love but it is super smart super enhanced 17 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:57,060 Josh: and we'll do a lot of the tedious work that you normally do all for you ijaz 18 00:00:57,060 --> 00:01:00,980 Josh: you've been going deep in this world of ai browsers can you can you lay out 19 00:01:00,980 --> 00:01:05,880 Josh: the space how it's working who's involved what it actually means to be an ai browser i 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,460 Ejaaz: Was just thinking about um your comment on we've been using browsers for about 21 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:16,380 Ejaaz: 35 years do you remember the internet explorer days josh where we had to double 22 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:23,480 Ejaaz: click this golden or blue e-icon and then kind of wait 10 seconds for it to load. 23 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:26,840 Ejaaz: Then we had to manually type in a web address, www. 24 00:01:27,660 --> 00:01:30,840 Ejaaz: And we've just come incredibly far since then. 25 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:37,300 Ejaaz: And yeah, to answer your question directly, I think that this is a natural progression 26 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:40,280 Ejaaz: of where AI needs to be in everyone's lives. 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,280 Ejaaz: So to kind of like zoom out for a second, we had this massive explosion when 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,260 Ejaaz: GPT-2 or GPT-3 came to life from OpenAI. 29 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:53,260 Ejaaz: And it was this magical moment where we had this kind of like chat messenger, 30 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:57,300 Ejaaz: and we could ask the smartest person in the room, that being GPT, 31 00:01:57,460 --> 00:01:58,980 Ejaaz: any question, and it can give us an answer. 32 00:01:59,140 --> 00:02:03,520 Ejaaz: It can teach us things, it can sometimes do things for us, and connect us in 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,980 Ejaaz: different ways with information. 34 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,740 Ejaaz: Kind of like how Google did when they created their search engine. 35 00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:10,780 Ejaaz: It became the doorstep to the internet. 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,600 Ejaaz: You know, it's the homepage. It's the thing that everyone opens when they want 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,140 Ejaaz: to search something, interact and socialize, or even buy something, right? 38 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Ejaaz: So it makes sense that AI is now 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:27,660 Ejaaz: coming to where most of the context and personal data around someone is. 40 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:32,420 Ejaaz: And I think if I were to zone in on why I'm so excited about this, 41 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:34,480 Ejaaz: Josh, is it's exactly that. 42 00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:36,800 Ejaaz: I think it's the most publicly accessible. 43 00:02:37,590 --> 00:02:40,630 Ejaaz: Data set for who you are, right, Josh? 44 00:02:41,090 --> 00:02:44,270 Ejaaz: Like if you if I go on your browser right now, maybe you can share your screen 45 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:46,590 Ejaaz: or whatever that might be. I'm going to see a bunch of different tabs. 46 00:02:46,850 --> 00:02:49,870 Ejaaz: I'm going to see your Spotify playlist that you're bumping tunes to. 47 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:53,470 Ejaaz: I'm going to see probably your Amazon list that you're kind of like shopping 48 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:56,870 Ejaaz: or shipping items to your apartment, and maybe a bunch of other things. 49 00:02:56,990 --> 00:02:59,050 Ejaaz: It tells me who Josh is as a person. 50 00:02:59,330 --> 00:03:03,410 Ejaaz: More so it tells me how he's progressed over the history of time over that day 51 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:06,950 Ejaaz: over that week, over the last 90 days with your browser history. 52 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:12,670 Ejaaz: So I think embedding AI into the browser experience is that next step up to 53 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:14,390 Ejaaz: getting a more personal AI face. 54 00:03:14,890 --> 00:03:17,150 Ejaaz: Do you agree with that, Josh? Or what are your thoughts? 55 00:03:17,770 --> 00:03:22,010 Josh: Yeah, I think that sounds right. I am actually a big agent AI browser hater. 56 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:25,550 Josh: I think we're going to get into that. I agree that it's very cool, 57 00:03:25,790 --> 00:03:27,810 Josh: but I'm not sure the actual use cases apply. 58 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:31,490 Josh: Before we do go there, I want to lay out the landscape of who's actually making 59 00:03:31,490 --> 00:03:34,310 Josh: these browsers, who is in this space that we're talking about, 60 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:35,850 Josh: because there's a notable company missing. 61 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:38,010 Josh: So we have Perplexity, which has the Comet browser. 62 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:42,330 Josh: We have Microsoft, which has Edge. We have OpenAI, who is probably going to 63 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:44,070 Josh: launch one. They've signaled the intention to launch one. 64 00:03:44,290 --> 00:03:47,250 Josh: And then we have the Dia browser by the browser company. 65 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:51,470 Josh: And notably, the one browser we all use, we're all recording this on right now, 66 00:03:51,650 --> 00:03:55,450 Josh: Chrome, is missing, which is interesting because one of the things that, 67 00:03:55,630 --> 00:03:58,590 Josh: I mean, the reason why Google became so large, one of the big reasons was the 68 00:03:58,590 --> 00:04:00,090 Josh: search engine was Google Chrome. 69 00:04:00,370 --> 00:04:04,050 Josh: And noticeably, they're missing. And when you look at all the search history, 70 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:07,010 Josh: the revenue from search that Google makes, it's been down only. 71 00:04:07,390 --> 00:04:11,870 Josh: And you would imagine from a search company who's built this browser that is 72 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:15,210 Josh: the number one company in the world, they'd probably be aiming to build an AI 73 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:18,570 Josh: browser, but that's not the case. And I think that's probably... 74 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:22,330 Josh: In line with what we're going to talk about later, why we don't like it. 75 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:25,590 Josh: But I'm curious if you have any ideas why Google is noticeably missing from 76 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:27,090 Josh: this group of AI browsers. 77 00:04:27,550 --> 00:04:30,770 Ejaaz: You know what's hilarious? As you were making that point, Josh, 78 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:35,170 Ejaaz: I was trying to come up with a counter example, which was going on Google's search engine. 79 00:04:35,530 --> 00:04:39,330 Ejaaz: And you know, whenever you search something now, you typically see an AI summary. 80 00:04:39,690 --> 00:04:43,490 Ejaaz: I was going to try and argue that maybe that was an example of them embedding 81 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:49,010 Ejaaz: some form of AI in their browsing experience, even though it's not explicitly 82 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:51,990 Ejaaz: Chrome itself, but it's not available. 83 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:57,210 Ejaaz: I literally can't have access to it. So it seems like they've regressed. 84 00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:02,610 Ejaaz: To answer your question more directly, I think they're likely going to release 85 00:05:02,610 --> 00:05:04,810 Ejaaz: it if I had to hazard a guess. 86 00:05:05,010 --> 00:05:10,270 Ejaaz: And the reason why I say that is they've been so committed to kind of being 87 00:05:10,270 --> 00:05:12,190 Ejaaz: on the frontier at the AI model level. 88 00:05:12,190 --> 00:05:18,250 Ejaaz: So Gemini 2.5 Flash is a frontier model that beats OpenAI's ChatGPT and even 89 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:20,030 Ejaaz: Claude when it comes to coding and stuff. 90 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:24,710 Ejaaz: Google has been so focused on AI agents as well. 91 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:28,710 Ejaaz: And they've also been focused on the scientific side of AI as well, 92 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:32,430 Ejaaz: which is a realm that none of the other frontier AI labs have even touched. 93 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:39,890 Ejaaz: So it kind of seems weird that even though they control 66.5% of the browser market share, 94 00:05:40,970 --> 00:05:44,570 Ejaaz: it'll seem weird if they don't come out with a product is what i'm saying i 95 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:48,130 Ejaaz: don't know i i just feel like it's a waiting game it might come out like next 96 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,270 Ejaaz: week or something like that totally. 97 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:53,390 Josh: Uh-huh we'll see well we both have tried an ai browser we both had access to 98 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:56,590 Josh: perplexity they gave us access to the comet browser and we had a chance to use 99 00:05:56,590 --> 00:05:59,890 Josh: it for the last week or two and i would love to hear your impressions because 100 00:05:59,890 --> 00:06:02,230 Josh: I used it. I tried it. I have some takes. 101 00:06:02,370 --> 00:06:04,910 Josh: How have you been using it? How have you been liking it? How have you been disliking 102 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:06,710 Josh: it? Tell me your personal experience. 103 00:06:07,110 --> 00:06:11,050 Ejaaz: I have a lot to say about this. And I'm keen to actually hear what you say. 104 00:06:11,170 --> 00:06:14,050 Ejaaz: So you described yourself as an AI browser hater. 105 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:16,190 Ejaaz: I wouldn't call myself a hater. 106 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:22,250 Ejaaz: But I also wouldn't say this is convincing enough to me to ditch Chrome. 107 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:29,270 Ejaaz: And to use an AI browser. So as you mentioned, we're using this new AI browser from Perplexity. 108 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:34,010 Ejaaz: Perplexity, for those of you who don't know, is like a supercharged AI search engine. 109 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:38,690 Ejaaz: And they released this new product called Perplexity Comet, which is their browser. 110 00:06:39,130 --> 00:06:43,750 Ejaaz: And on this browser, it looks very similar to your Chrome browser or Internet 111 00:06:43,750 --> 00:06:47,070 Ejaaz: Explorer browser. You can have many different tabs. You have a search history. 112 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:51,670 Ejaaz: You have a toolbar with different settings and stuff. But with one unique feature, 113 00:06:51,670 --> 00:06:56,450 Ejaaz: which is rather several unique features, which is AI is embedded everywhere you go. 114 00:06:56,630 --> 00:07:01,510 Ejaaz: That means if you open up a YouTube page, you have a prompt from your little 115 00:07:01,510 --> 00:07:04,330 Ejaaz: assistant in the bottom right hand corner, which will say, hey, 116 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:06,870 Ejaaz: do you want me to summarize this video for you so that you don't have to spend 117 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:08,730 Ejaaz: 30 minutes watching this? 118 00:07:09,770 --> 00:07:13,290 Ejaaz: Or you can go into a shopping website and say, hey, I can actually sort for 119 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:16,590 Ejaaz: you the best deals for what you're looking for, because I read your email because 120 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:20,590 Ejaaz: you connected me to your Gmail account. And so I kind of know that your mom 121 00:07:20,590 --> 00:07:23,230 Ejaaz: shared a list of items for your sister's birthday. 122 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:28,470 Ejaaz: And I know that you're on Amazon to check what kind of fleece your sister might want or whatever. 123 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:32,410 Ejaaz: That's a terrible example. I would never buy my fleeces off of Amazon. 124 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:34,590 Ejaaz: But you get the general idea. 125 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:41,730 Ejaaz: My high-level takes are as follows. It's great to have an assistant that can 126 00:07:41,730 --> 00:07:46,250 Ejaaz: summarize long articles and posts for me. And the reason why I say that is I 127 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:48,890 Ejaaz: spend a lot of time reading and researching, Josh. 128 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:51,510 Ejaaz: We actually do a bunch of that for this show as well, right? 129 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:58,770 Ejaaz: And sometimes, actually most of the time, it takes a lot of intense focus and 130 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:00,070 Ejaaz: many hours of my day, right? 131 00:08:00,190 --> 00:08:05,030 Ejaaz: I would say maybe 70% of my working day is spent reading a ton of stuff and trying new things out. 132 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:11,570 Ejaaz: This does reduce that now to about 20% to 25%, which is a huge reduction. 133 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:15,150 Ejaaz: Yeah, I'm spending much less time doing this. And you and I have been using 134 00:08:15,150 --> 00:08:19,650 Ejaaz: this browser for about, what, a week now, like as our default browser. 135 00:08:19,770 --> 00:08:20,910 Ejaaz: So it's been super useful. 136 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:24,970 Ejaaz: The second thing is, and this is a smaller thing, but I think it's important. 137 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:32,290 Ejaaz: I can finally stop copying and pasting links and paragraphs of text and putting 138 00:08:32,290 --> 00:08:36,830 Ejaaz: it into whatever AI model provider that I'm using, right? 139 00:08:36,830 --> 00:08:42,110 Ejaaz: So typically the format is I would copy tweet links or article links and put 140 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:46,810 Ejaaz: it in Crock 4 or put it in ChatGPT and then say like, hey, like reference these 141 00:08:46,810 --> 00:08:48,050 Ejaaz: links, summarize this for me. 142 00:08:48,910 --> 00:08:51,130 Ejaaz: Give me some other types of insights that I might have missed. 143 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:56,590 Ejaaz: And it's just, it seems so small and minor, but not being able to do that is 144 00:08:56,590 --> 00:08:57,610 Ejaaz: way more convenient for me. 145 00:08:57,710 --> 00:09:00,370 Ejaaz: And I just kind of like, I love kind of leaning into that. 146 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:07,410 Ejaaz: The third thing that stood out for me, Josh, is search is just such a better 147 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:11,250 Ejaaz: experience now that I have this AI that's always readily available. 148 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,140 Ejaaz: It's kind of like Google search, but it understands the context behind what 149 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:18,560 Ejaaz: I'm asking it or why I'm asking it. 150 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,740 Ejaaz: And that's really been an unlock for me. So an example might be I've been researching 151 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:28,440 Ejaaz: a specific technique of how to train AI models. 152 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,560 Ejaaz: This is something I was doing this week where I was trying to figure out how 153 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:35,040 Ejaaz: China's open source models were so much better than America's, 154 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:37,700 Ejaaz: even though they have less resources and all that kind of stuff. 155 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,560 Ejaaz: I was trying to figure this out. 156 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,900 Ejaaz: And I was kind of like writing notes in my Google Doc, which perplexity had access to. 157 00:09:44,140 --> 00:09:47,320 Ejaaz: I was kind of like writing up some thoughts. And then I opened up a separate 158 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,940 Ejaaz: tab to search for a specific term. And it already had it preloaded for me. 159 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:55,820 Ejaaz: So again, it's like basic little things like this, but I like that it makes 160 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:57,760 Ejaaz: me feel comfortable and heard. 161 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,340 Ejaaz: But that's my take. Well, what about you, Josh? 162 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:06,040 Josh: Did you? I've, yeah, I used it. No, I signed up for the, we got an invite code. 163 00:10:06,140 --> 00:10:08,420 Josh: I signed up. It was the most gorgeous onboarding experience. 164 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,400 Josh: I have ever had. It was designed incredibly. 165 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:14,900 Josh: You type in your code, it unlocks this really fancy screed, it has nice music 166 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:17,080 Josh: playing in the background, you choose your profiles, it was gorgeous. 167 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,360 Josh: And then I opened it up and it's the same as pretty much every other browser. 168 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,320 Josh: In terms of how I used it, I actually used this example that we have on screen 169 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,200 Josh: right now, which one of the interesting things about the AI browser versus a 170 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Josh: traditional LLM that we would use 171 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,360 Josh: like ChatGPT is it doesn't have all the integrations that a browser has. 172 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:38,940 Josh: So you can connect this AI browser, or in this case, Comet, to your Gmail and 173 00:10:39,490 --> 00:10:42,350 Josh: and actually have it interact with your email for you on your behalf. 174 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:47,670 Josh: So this example here and what I tried is I get a decent amount of emails that 175 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:50,930 Josh: I'm subscribed to from something I bought one time or from a community that 176 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:52,370 Josh: I used to be part of that I don't really care about. 177 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:55,630 Josh: And you can just kind of ask it to pull the list of everything you're subscribed 178 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:57,850 Josh: to, and then choose the ones that you want to unsubscribe to. 179 00:10:58,010 --> 00:11:00,110 Josh: And it will do all of the work of doing that for you. 180 00:11:00,290 --> 00:11:03,210 Josh: So immediately after a few minutes of trying this and a few prompts, 181 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:07,250 Josh: I was able to clear out my inbox from maybe 20 of these garbage emails a day 182 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:09,870 Josh: to maybe just like three or four of the ones I actually want to receive. 183 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:13,850 Josh: And that was really cool to me. So in that case, it's really interesting because 184 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:17,250 Josh: it has the access to integrations that other LLMs don't necessarily have, 185 00:11:17,390 --> 00:11:18,770 Josh: like ChatGPT, like Grok. 186 00:11:18,890 --> 00:11:22,870 Josh: They exist in the silo, whereas this is kind of embedded across the entire browser 187 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:24,610 Josh: experience. So in that case, it was good. 188 00:11:24,930 --> 00:11:27,210 Josh: I really enjoyed the browser. 189 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:31,530 Josh: Outside of that, it felt very much just like a normal browser. 190 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:36,850 Josh: And it was mostly annoying that I just had to re-log into all my accounts again to do the same thing. 191 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:42,210 Josh: So I went to YouTube and I uploaded a video for this channel and I went to our 192 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:44,990 Josh: RSS platform and I upload and I was doing the normal things I do. 193 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:47,950 Josh: And what I realized is I really don't 194 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:51,670 Josh: use the browser for all that many interesting things that require AI. 195 00:11:51,970 --> 00:11:57,190 Josh: When I want to use AI, I go to a tool Optimize for AI to kind of abstract away 196 00:11:57,190 --> 00:11:58,950 Josh: the complexities of having to use a browser. 197 00:11:59,110 --> 00:12:01,870 Josh: So when I want to learn about something, primarily I use Grok for 198 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:04,870 Josh: that because grok has the live real-time information 199 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:07,870 Josh: from x which is normally where i consume most of my information anyway 200 00:12:07,870 --> 00:12:10,470 Josh: and i just have it pull all the aggregated data that i 201 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:14,170 Josh: want for me versus actually going and trying to find it and as i'm going through 202 00:12:14,170 --> 00:12:17,930 Josh: these use cases of how i use a browser there's less and less that are actually 203 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:21,110 Josh: interesting i think when people use browsers since the beginning of time they've 204 00:12:21,110 --> 00:12:24,970 Josh: used them for two things right it's like for productivity and for leisure and 205 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:29,790 Josh: when you're doing work you just kind of interact with these specific apps in the browser. 206 00:12:29,970 --> 00:12:34,550 Josh: So you're using an Excel spreadsheet or you're doing whatever, like uploading a video. 207 00:12:34,690 --> 00:12:38,110 Josh: And then in leisure, you're kind of shopping for something. You're looking through 208 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:41,250 Josh: clothes. You're watching a YouTube video. You're consuming media. 209 00:12:41,650 --> 00:12:45,950 Josh: And on the leisure end, there's no way that AI can supplement that. 210 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:50,650 Josh: And then on the productivity end, well, you kind of want AI to exclusively supplement that. 211 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:53,750 Josh: And you don't want to have to deal with all these annoying interfaces or scraping 212 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:54,990 Josh: data or getting that information. 213 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:58,750 Josh: So it puts this browser in kind of a weird spot where I was using it for a few days. 214 00:12:58,870 --> 00:13:02,270 Josh: I was excited about using it for a few days. And then I just kind of didn't 215 00:13:02,270 --> 00:13:03,910 Josh: really have a need to use it anymore. 216 00:13:04,430 --> 00:13:10,450 Josh: I do a lot of the thinking and the analyzing in Grok. I do a lot of the productivity work in ChatGPT. 217 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:13,450 Josh: And then I just watch YouTube videos on YouTube using the Chrome browser that's 218 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:14,910 Josh: worked for the last 30 years. 219 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:18,830 Josh: So that's kind of where it's been weird with the AI agents is it seems cool, 220 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:23,530 Josh: but I'm not sure there's any sustainable use cases that are very exciting. 221 00:13:23,790 --> 00:13:25,550 Ejaaz: Do you, do you agree, disagree? 222 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:32,060 Ejaaz: Yeah. I mean, last week we spoke about OpenAI's new agent, right? 223 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:37,720 Ejaaz: And one of the main takeaways from that episode was, this agent's pretty cool, 224 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,480 Ejaaz: but it's not really adding much value to my life right now. 225 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:50,380 Ejaaz: Sure, I can jump into my Gmail account and read a bunch of my docs, but okay, and then what? 226 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,140 Ejaaz: Sure, I can research a bunch of clothes that I might want to buy, but then what? 227 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Ejaaz: It doesn't buy anything for me. And I feel like this is the same type of case here, right? 228 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:05,940 Ejaaz: Where you've added a solution to a place where maybe you don't actually quite need it, right? 229 00:14:06,380 --> 00:14:11,580 Ejaaz: But I want to spend a bit of time arguing what this could be versus what it is right now. 230 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:16,720 Ejaaz: Because I agree largely with you that it is not as useful as I'd want it to be. 231 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:20,380 Ejaaz: And I really think you make a good point around the leisure side of things. 232 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,920 Ejaaz: But I want to kind of like think about what this might end up becoming if we 233 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,140 Ejaaz: imagine that everyone's going to have some form of AI agent or companion in the future, right? 234 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,440 Ejaaz: So number one, I think the personal 235 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,540 Ejaaz: AI assistant is going to be a hugely valuable market going forwards. 236 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,320 Ejaaz: I don't quite know how it's going to manifest. 237 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,800 Ejaaz: My idea is it's probably going to be on the work side of things. 238 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Ejaaz: So there's going to be an enterprise-heavy presence of AI agents. 239 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,060 Ejaaz: And we're already seeing that already, where they kind of like plug into your 240 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:56,740 Ejaaz: workspace, your Slack, and they allow you to do a bunch of things. 241 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,120 Ejaaz: Right now, they kind of suck. 242 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,220 Ejaaz: But eventually, I'm guessing it's going to get better, and it's going to get more intuitive. 243 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Ejaaz: The second thing is, there's this trend, Josh, where I think we're stepping 244 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:16,440 Ejaaz: away from a lot of the actions that we've grown so used to over the last decade, which is scrolling, 245 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,900 Ejaaz: searching for different apps, downloading apps, 246 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:23,980 Ejaaz: tapping the screen, and typing letters. 247 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Ejaaz: I think this progression is going to become something more automable where we're 248 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Ejaaz: going to be speaking into a microphone and we just kind of like look at things 249 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Ejaaz: or AI guesses what we already want before we even get there, right? 250 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,120 Ejaaz: There's going to be this like autonomous kind of flow of things. 251 00:15:42,260 --> 00:15:44,780 Ejaaz: I don't think we're there. I think this is a stepping stone. 252 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:50,060 Ejaaz: I do not think browsers right now are like a 10x improvement over what we had before. 253 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,980 Ejaaz: So I'm with you. Like, I'm just going to use Google Chrome for now. 254 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:54,760 Ejaaz: But it's a good shot on goal. 255 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,780 Josh: To me, if I'm talking to Perplexity's CEO, which we are talking to in a few 256 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:04,200 Josh: weeks, I think the idea is why on earth are you spending so much resources in 257 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,300 Josh: this intermediary step? 258 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,360 Josh: Because it feels like the end state of this is fully agentic, 259 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,060 Josh: fully obfuscating away all of the complexities of the browser. 260 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:14,600 Josh: You want something, the agent goes out and gets it to you and delivers it to you. 261 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:18,660 Josh: And this is kind of this middle ground that isn't quite there. 262 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Josh: And it's not fully leaning into agent. If we had to compare the agent episode 263 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,220 Josh: that we had last week to this week, it feels like open AI directionally is actually 264 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:29,760 Josh: in a much better position because that agent, you can see an end game there 265 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,880 Josh: where it kind of stinks now, but it's the right form factor. 266 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:37,420 Josh: And it has the ability, it has the openness to do that. Whereas the browser is very constrained. 267 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:42,500 Josh: I mean, their entire industry is dedicated to unifying user interfaces across 268 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:44,600 Josh: the internet, just so it's easy for humans to do that. 269 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,460 Josh: And there's so much unnecessary complexity when it comes to this 35 year old 270 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:52,420 Josh: interface that was built for a world that is totally different than today. 271 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:55,500 Josh: So the constraints that existed in the 90s that we're still using today, 272 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Josh: they no longer exist. And it feels a little lazy to just keep the same interface 273 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,540 Josh: and throw an AI agent on top of it when you could really redesign this thing from the ground up. 274 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:09,460 Josh: You can really truly have an agent first world that doesn't require you to interface 275 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:13,660 Josh: with any sort of browser like this at all. So I think that's the place that I'm 276 00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:15,660 Ejaaz: Excited to go. What would that look like to you, Josh? 277 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,900 Josh: Yeah, it's probably either... 278 00:17:18,580 --> 00:17:22,120 Josh: The earbuds in my ear or the little hardware piece that I have. 279 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:25,980 Josh: And it knows everything about me. It spends time with me. It understands what 280 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:27,500 Josh: I like to do. It has my whole preference stack. 281 00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:30,760 Josh: And when I want something or I want to know something, it has all the context 282 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,520 Josh: to solve the problem for me and it can go and do it. 283 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,520 Josh: And then in the case there's any clarifying questions, we can clarify, 284 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,080 Josh: but it's really just a personal assistant that is fully capable of engaging 285 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Josh: with the world the same way a human would be. 286 00:17:42,420 --> 00:17:45,700 Josh: And that to me feels like the final form of this agent. 287 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Ejaaz: So I'm hearing a few things. Number one, you think this is going to be a different 288 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,640 Ejaaz: form factor completely. 289 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,980 Ejaaz: So maybe not looking at a browser or maybe not even looking at a screen at all, 290 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,560 Ejaaz: but maybe it might be some kind of earbuds, as you said, we're kind of like 291 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,920 Ejaaz: opined on what the new hardware device that OpenAI is rumored to be building 292 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,220 Ejaaz: with Johnny Ive is going to be. 293 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,080 Ejaaz: Maybe it's something that sits on your desk and listens and sees everything 294 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,880 Ejaaz: that you can see. But that's one thing, a different form factor. 295 00:18:12,340 --> 00:18:16,280 Ejaaz: Number two, it sounds like you're describing a very multimodal world, 296 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:17,480 Ejaaz: which I agree with, right? 297 00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:22,340 Ejaaz: So it's not just something that can understand text, but it's something that 298 00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:24,340 Ejaaz: can see, that is very visual. 299 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:28,660 Ejaaz: It's something that can hear the same things that you hear, and that understands 300 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:31,180 Ejaaz: the context of conversations that you're having with other people, 301 00:18:31,180 --> 00:18:34,100 Ejaaz: or why you do different things in the world, right? 302 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,560 Ejaaz: So it's kind of expanding from your digital presence to also be aware of your 303 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Ejaaz: physical presence, right? 304 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Ejaaz: And then the third thing that I'm hearing from you, Josh, is we're just kind 305 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,200 Ejaaz: of at that midway point where we kind of have something or we're throwing a 306 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Ejaaz: bunch of AI slop at the wall and hoping something sticks, 307 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,300 Ejaaz: but it's not cohesive right now. 308 00:18:55,360 --> 00:19:01,440 Ejaaz: We just have this like cool AI chatbot and we've slapped it with a bunch of tool access, but 309 00:19:01,810 --> 00:19:06,030 Ejaaz: it none of the none of the cogs work together none of them match so we just 310 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:11,630 Ejaaz: kind of have this really clunky kind of machine am i kind of like painting the picture accurately. 311 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:15,390 Josh: Yeah there's two approaches right there's one approach that is the open-ended 312 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:19,150 Josh: one that open ai is taking and then there's the constrained approach that perplexity 313 00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:21,790 Josh: is taking where we're just going to take this browser experience and make it 314 00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:24,530 Josh: a little bit better and the other side is hey we're just going to throw away 315 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:27,250 Josh: the entire browser experience because that no longer matters and we're going 316 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,390 Josh: to redesign it from the ground up using this new intelligence. 317 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:34,310 Josh: And I think that's kind of the fork in the road that I see. And Perplexity has 318 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:37,290 Josh: taken one, as well as all the other companies that have made an AI browser. 319 00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:40,610 Josh: And then I would imagine Google, who hasn't released a browser, 320 00:19:40,770 --> 00:19:41,810 Josh: is probably considering this. 321 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:46,610 Josh: OpenAI has done this. And they're kind of taking the way that feels like it 322 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:50,130 Josh: has an end game, where if you apply a lot more intelligence to a browser, 323 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,330 Josh: I'm not sure how much better it gets. 324 00:19:52,490 --> 00:19:55,670 Josh: But if you apply a ton of intelligence to an open-ended agent, well, 325 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:58,750 Josh: that's scalable to infinity it can get infinitely more powerful 326 00:19:58,750 --> 00:20:02,430 Josh: it's not constrained to any sort of interface it can build its own it can generate 327 00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:07,150 Josh: its whatever it needs so just in terms of structurally speaking it feels as 328 00:20:07,150 --> 00:20:12,510 Josh: if the agent is is the more probable outcome to win whereas a lot of these companies 329 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:17,810 Josh: are choosing the easy win quickly which is just oh here's a browser but ai okay 330 00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:23,490 Ejaaz: I i don't know if i completely agree because i think a lot of these browser 331 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:25,870 Ejaaz: experiences are just going to become agentic. 332 00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:29,430 Ejaaz: And I guess we should define what we're talking about here. 333 00:20:29,910 --> 00:20:34,910 Ejaaz: I guess a browser experience with AI is you log on to your browser and then 334 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:40,370 Ejaaz: there's a bunch of summary tools or an AI search engine embedded in there. 335 00:20:40,550 --> 00:20:46,030 Ejaaz: But something that's more agentic is something that can not only understand 336 00:20:46,030 --> 00:20:50,150 Ejaaz: what you're asking, but then perform actions for you all autonomously in a loop, 337 00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:53,130 Ejaaz: intuitively, maybe not in a loop, but open-ended. 338 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:56,270 Ejaaz: It can solve open-ended problems whilst you're sleeping or whatever that might be, right? 339 00:20:56,990 --> 00:21:00,410 Ejaaz: And I think that eventually every browser is heading that way. 340 00:21:00,590 --> 00:21:05,110 Ejaaz: And the reason why I'm convinced of this is something that I opened up the video 341 00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:07,770 Ejaaz: with, which is that it has the most personal data set for you. 342 00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:12,570 Ejaaz: The reason why OpenAI and ChatGPT is so sticky is because it knows so much about 343 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:14,250 Ejaaz: me, in my opinion, right? 344 00:21:14,410 --> 00:21:17,010 Ejaaz: So I keep going back to it because I'm like, okay, it understands the context 345 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:18,150 Ejaaz: of what I'm about to ask it. 346 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:22,570 Ejaaz: If you think about it, browser is the next natural moat for that, 347 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:26,910 Ejaaz: right? Especially if you're trying to unlock AI that can do things for you. 348 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:30,170 Ejaaz: Where do you do most of your things? It's probably on the browser or probably 349 00:21:30,170 --> 00:21:33,110 Ejaaz: on your phone, on your browser or via an app or whatever that might be. 350 00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:35,630 Ejaaz: So I'm guessing that's probably where we're headed. 351 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:40,630 Josh: Okay, well, we will see. I want to dive into some examples so people who are 352 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:43,490 Josh: listening can actually see how they can use this today and what type of interesting 353 00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:45,170 Josh: things people have been experimenting with. 354 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:48,310 Josh: I see you have a couple you've pulled up. Can you walk us through examples of 355 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,710 Josh: how people are actually using this tech today? 356 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,180 Ejaaz: Okay, so this is one, I think he's using perplexity on this one. 357 00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:57,960 Ejaaz: This is actually something that I did. It looked very familiar. 358 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:03,980 Ejaaz: So in this video here, he's basically trying to create some form of a travel 359 00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:06,120 Ejaaz: guide for the city that he's in. He's in Washington. 360 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,080 Ejaaz: And he's like, okay, hey, I want 361 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,800 Ejaaz: to go on a walk and see some of the major monuments and blah, blah, blah. 362 00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:17,980 Ejaaz: Again, like, I feel like you could just Google search this and find like a million 363 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:19,040 Ejaaz: different forums that could do it. 364 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,100 Ejaaz: But I like that it's embedded into the app itself, so that I don't need to go 365 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:28,720 Ejaaz: to a forum, find someone's random Google Maps that they're willing to share 366 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,400 Ejaaz: with me, and then come back to this Google Maps app and it opens it up. 367 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,200 Ejaaz: Instead, it's all embedded into the application layer, which I like, 368 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,160 Ejaaz: and it saves me time. Not groundbreaking, but something that's pretty useful, right? 369 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,880 Ejaaz: We have something here, which is something that I've just seen a lot of the 370 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,660 Ejaaz: agent demos do, Josh, which is like, hey, I have a cluttering of random emails. Love. Yeah. 371 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,160 Ejaaz: Please unsubscribe for me, and we can just get on with my life and reduce my 372 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,340 Ejaaz: spam to basically zero, inbox to zero. 373 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:02,860 Ejaaz: And this is something that he demonstrates here. I tried this out as well, 374 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,260 Ejaaz: and I think you did as well, Josh. 375 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:08,120 Ejaaz: And it takes a couple of seconds, right? So you basically, two clicks, 376 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,720 Ejaaz: you connect PopXD to your Gmail account or whatever email account you use, 377 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,200 Ejaaz: and then you write a prompt in the search bar being like, hey, 378 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:19,580 Ejaaz: I just want to get rid of all my spam emails, and it does all of that subsequently. 379 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:23,560 Ejaaz: This is something that I feel like you and I could use sometime. 380 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:28,880 Ejaaz: Josh, I didn't actually try this, but creating content ideas for your YouTube channel. 381 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,000 Ejaaz: The difference between opening up a conversation with ChatGPT and saying, 382 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:36,440 Ejaaz: hey, I'm a video creator, 383 00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:41,120 Ejaaz: can you tell me more about some ideas that I could potentially produce versus 384 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:46,320 Ejaaz: this is it actually scans your YouTube page itself whilst you're actually on it. 385 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,920 Ejaaz: Again, I don't think this is a novel experience because you could technically 386 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:56,060 Ejaaz: just copy and paste the link to your YouTube page into ChatGPT, do the same analysis. 387 00:23:56,260 --> 00:24:01,480 Ejaaz: Maybe it takes three extra clicks or prompts, but you kind of get there at the end of the day. 388 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:05,560 Ejaaz: And then this is an example that I keep seeing pop up, Josh, 389 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:10,300 Ejaaz: because OpenAI demonstrated it during their live demo for their new agent release, which is, 390 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:14,580 Ejaaz: hey can you go through my LinkedIn network accept any 391 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:18,060 Ejaaz: kind of requests that you think would be useful towards furthering my career 392 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:22,300 Ejaaz: and also maybe reach out to a bunch of people that I might want to connect with 393 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:27,420 Ejaaz: in the future it's not quite at that capability it's still kind of like whatever 394 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:31,100 Ejaaz: I'm not really shocked by this but I'm guessing it's useful for some. 395 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:36,980 Ejaaz: And the final one which is something that Perplexity keeps kind of like talking 396 00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:42,080 Ejaaz: about is the fact that it has awareness of all the tabs that you have open. 397 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,360 Ejaaz: I don't know about you, but I have probably around, I'm kind of like taking 398 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,840 Ejaaz: a scroll here, but like three different tabs open. 399 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,920 Ejaaz: And they're all pertaining to different things, right? And sometimes I lose 400 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,260 Ejaaz: tabs or most of the time I just forget about a bunch of tabs and why I need to use it. 401 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:03,780 Ejaaz: And they just kind of like remain dormantly open, praying that I reopen them again, right? 402 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,640 Ejaaz: What we have here is he's kind of like looking for different bike products that he wants to buy. 403 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,340 Ejaaz: He has a series of tabs open on different windows and all that kind of stuff. 404 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:17,440 Ejaaz: And what he does is he just goes to the search, sorry, the chat interface for 405 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,740 Ejaaz: complexity and puts in his request saying like, okay, right, 406 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Ejaaz: now I need to figure out what model of bike that I want to buy. 407 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,720 Ejaaz: What kind of parts do I need for it? I'm going on this particular trip. 408 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,320 Ejaaz: It's going to be, whatever, 150 miles. 409 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,580 Ejaaz: Help me sort this out. And it kind of like leads him in a step-by-step process. 410 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,440 Ejaaz: Again, none of these kind of get me upright in bed. 411 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,140 Ejaaz: Do you know what I mean? I'm not kind of like, yeah, this and being like, 412 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,760 Ejaaz: wow, you know what? This is magical. 413 00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:48,580 Ejaaz: This isn't like an whole iOS moment or, you know, an Apple Watch moment where 414 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:49,760 Ejaaz: I'm like, oh, wow, it's a new device. 415 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,620 Ejaaz: It's a new thing. So, yeah, I'm just kind of like left... 416 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,820 Ejaaz: Unsurprised i guess. 417 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:59,500 Josh: So i guess to wrap this up i have one more question for you which is a year 418 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,400 Josh: from now what do you think you are primarily using to interface with the internet 419 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,180 Josh: is it going to be one of these browsers or is it going to be an ai tool like 420 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:10,900 Josh: chat gpt like rock like gemini what's 421 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:11,420 Ejaaz: The time frame. 422 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:16,660 Josh: A year from today what do you think you'll will be more powerful to use i 423 00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:21,120 Ejaaz: Will not be looking at a laptop josh if i'm looking at a laptop by that time 424 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,360 Ejaaz: we have completely and utterly failed. 425 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:28,480 Ejaaz: So I expect by that time to have some different kind of form factor where it's 426 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,240 Ejaaz: just my eyes and I see everything that I need to that is digital. 427 00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:35,920 Ejaaz: I hear everything that I need to. If I want to watch a YouTube video, 428 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,300 Ejaaz: I kind of like look in a particular direction and it pops it open. 429 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:45,240 Ejaaz: I hear it. If I want to call my friend, I'm just one to two taps away from doing that. 430 00:26:45,340 --> 00:26:48,360 Ejaaz: Or I just say, can you call Josh, please? I need to talk to him about A, 431 00:26:48,460 --> 00:26:51,000 Ejaaz: B, and C. And it just does that. So it's not a browser. 432 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,780 Josh: Okay. Yeah, I feel the same way. I don't imagine a world in which browsers are 433 00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:00,160 Josh: exciting, but I am very excited to ask the person who's making this about why 434 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600 Josh: he is investing so much time, 435 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,520 Josh: energy, effort, money into building this browser, because we are having the 436 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,000 Josh: CEO for Plexi coming on in a few weeks. 437 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,460 Josh: We are going to talk to him about exactly this, and we're going to hear the 438 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:14,280 Josh: rebuttal from the person who is actually responsible for making this happen. 439 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840 Josh: So I know, Ejaz, I'm certainly excited. I'm sure you are too. 440 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,480 Josh: I cannot wait for that episode. But in the meantime, we'll be dabbling. 441 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,820 Josh: I'll be trying to find more interesting use cases, more fun things to use the browser for. 442 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Josh: If anyone else gets an opportunity to try it, please share in the comments. 443 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,660 Josh: Let us know what you think about the browser. Are we just missing the plot? 444 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,100 Josh: Is there something that we're not seeing because this is some amazing new tech? 445 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,240 Josh: Or is it actually just like, well, it's Chrome with like an AI extension built on top of it. 446 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,520 Josh: So we'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks as always for listening. 447 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,160 Josh: If you enjoyed the episode, please share. 448 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Josh: If you have any nerdy friends that you want to impress, send them this podcast. 449 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,920 Josh: It's pretty cool. We have a good time here. So as always thank you for watching 450 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,360 Josh: we'll have another episode coming later this week and we will talk to you guys in the next one